From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 1 13:52:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Wed Jan 1 13:52:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera References: <008801c2b044$b37f14f0$0100a8c0@pc2> <200212311559.33896.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <00d001c2b19c$a66ed0d0$0100a8c0@pc2> Mike Thanks for the advice. I am using SuSe 8.0. When I look at Information > Available hardware > Disks I can see both my IDE drive with a green tick and a the digital camera with a crossed set of tools (I don't know what that means). I suspect the problem is with my SCSI emulation because Information > Block Devices > does not list any SCSI (/dev/sdx) devices. Information > Block Devices > lists (a) device: shmfs mountpoint: /dev/shm and Information > Partitions > lists (a) device: usbdevfs mountpoint: /proc/bus/usb and (b) device: proc mountpoint: /proc but /proc/scsi/scsi is an empty document. I searched the web and found a suggestion that I edit /usr/src/Linux2.14.18/drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.h. Does this make sense to you? Final bit of info /var/log/messages reports "etc/hotplug/usb.agent[3641]: Can't find signal CHLD, forcing to default". I am sure this will be dead obvious to you. Thanks Andre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mini Mike" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera > Assuming you have no other SCSI devices or devices like CDwriters/USB storage, > etc using SCSI emulation, it will probably be /dev/sda. > > If you look in KDE Control Center, under Information > Available hardware > > Disks, you should see it. Look at the details and it should have the device > file in there. > > Mike. > > On Monday 30 December 2002 20:47, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote: > > David or Ashley > > > > What do I have to do to get Suse 8.0 to see my digital camera? I have > > ensured that the USB port is functional and Suse is reporting the camera's > > compact flash as a "disk". I presume that I have to mount it onto the file > > system but cannot see any likely candidates in the /dev/*** bit of dmesg. > > > > What am I missing. > > > > Andre > > andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk > > Tel: +44(0)1543 415 440 > > Fax: +44(0)1543 415 778 > > Mobile: +44(0)7799 473 607 > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 1 13:54:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Wed Jan 1 13:54:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera References: <008801c2b044$b37f14f0$0100a8c0@pc2> <200212311559.33896.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <1041365975.1738.11.camel@athlon.local> Message-ID: <00d601c2b19c$fb331a40$0100a8c0@pc2> David Thanks for your input. I suspect I have been an idiot and not set up SCSI emulation properly. I sent a more detailed note to Mike's email. Andre ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bottrill" To: "sderby" Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera > On Tue, 2002-12-31 at 15:59, Mini Mike wrote: > > Assuming you have no other SCSI devices or devices like CDwriters/USB storage, > > etc using SCSI emulation, it will probably be /dev/sda. > > > > If you look in KDE Control Center, under Information > Available hardware > > > Disks, you should see it. Look at the details and it should have the device > > file in there. > > > > Mike. > > > > On Monday 30 December 2002 20:47, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote: > > > David or Ashley > > > > > > What do I have to do to get Suse 8.0 to see my digital camera? I have > > > ensured that the USB port is functional and Suse is reporting the camera's > > > compact flash as a "disk". I presume that I have to mount it onto the file > > > system but cannot see any likely candidates in the /dev/*** bit of dmesg. > > > > > > What am I missing. > > > > > > Andre > > Andre, > > Mike is right providing you have no other SCSI devices then the camera > should appear as sda so you should be able to mount sda1 as a FAT > volume. However not all cameras and card readers seem to work correctly. > My camera didn't work with 8.0 and I've never tried it since I upgraded > to 8.1. The original compact flash reader I bought with the camera also > failed on SuSE8.0. I have since bought a Omniflash UnoMas card reader, > the version I have has slots for MMC/SD Smart Media, Compact Flash and > Sony Memory sticks. I bought this as it was advertised as working with > Linux and it does, each card slot looks like a different SCSI drive sda > though sdd. I have read that at least some of the SanDisk card readers > also work with Linux. I haven't bothered linking up the camera as my > camera powers-off automatically after a few minutes which is not a good > idea if it is still mounted as a drive, also the camera consumes a lot > of power. My card reader is powered from the USB so you can leave the > disk mounted as long as you like. > > David > > -- > David Bottrill > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 1 21:01:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Wed Jan 1 21:01:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera In-Reply-To: <00d001c2b19c$a66ed0d0$0100a8c0@pc2> References: <008801c2b044$b37f14f0$0100a8c0@pc2> <200212311559.33896.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <00d001c2b19c$a66ed0d0$0100a8c0@pc2> Message-ID: <200301012104.30007.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Andre, The fact that SuSE is seeing the camera as a disk in availibe hardware is= =20 promising. Select the disk and goto details > resources > misc. On the=20 third line in misc you should see a line which says: Device file:=20 /dev/ Try to mount that device. Failing that. If you have no other USB storag= e=20 devices plugged in and no CD writer, it should be /dev/sda, so just try=20 mounting that! I'm not sure if it is just /dev/sda or /dev/sda1. Try bo= th. You should find that SuSE will setup SCSI emulation automatically when yo= u=20 plug the device in. Mike. On Wednesday 01 January 2003 13:49, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote: > Mike > > Thanks for the advice. I am using SuSe 8.0. When I look at Information = > > Available hardware > Disks I can see both my IDE drive with a green ti= ck > and a the digital camera with a crossed set of tools (I don't know what > that means). > > I suspect the problem is with my SCSI emulation because Information > B= lock > Devices > does not list any SCSI (/dev/sdx) devices. Information > Blo= ck > Devices > lists > (a) device: shmfs mountpoint: /dev/shm > > and Information > Partitions > lists > > (a) device: usbdevfs mountpoint: /proc/bus/usb a= nd > (b) device: proc mountpoint: /proc > > but /proc/scsi/scsi is an empty document. I searched the web and found= a > suggestion that I edit > /usr/src/Linux2.14.18/drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.h. Does this mak= e > sense to you? > > Final bit of info /var/log/messages reports "etc/hotplug/usb.agent[3641= ]: > Can't find signal CHLD, forcing to default". > > I am sure this will be dead obvious to you. > > Thanks > > Andre > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mini Mike" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera > > > Assuming you have no other SCSI devices or devices like CDwriters/USB > > storage, > > > etc using SCSI emulation, it will probably be /dev/sda. > > > > If you look in KDE Control Center, under Information > Available hard= ware > > > > Disks, you should see it. Look at the details and it should have the > > device > > > file in there. > > > > Mike. > > > > On Monday 30 December 2002 20:47, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote= : > > > David or Ashley > > > > > > What do I have to do to get Suse 8.0 to see my digital camera? I ha= ve > > > ensured that the USB port is functional and Suse is reporting the > > camera's > > > > compact flash as a "disk". I presume that I have to mount it onto t= he > > file > > > > system but cannot see any likely candidates in the /dev/*** bit of > > dmesg. > > > > What am I missing. > > > > > > Andre > > > andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk > > > Tel: +44(0)1543 415 440 > > > Fax: +44(0)1543 415 778 > > > Mobile: +44(0)7799 473 607 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sderby mailing list > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 2 09:53:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Thu Jan 2 09:53:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera References: <008801c2b044$b37f14f0$0100a8c0@pc2> <200212311559.33896.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <00d001c2b19c$a66ed0d0$0100a8c0@pc2> <200301012104.30007.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <010701c2b244$74cf0600$0100a8c0@pc2> Mike I will try your advice this evening and see how I get on. Thanks for the input. Andre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mini Mike" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera > Andre, > > The fact that SuSE is seeing the camera as a disk in availibe hardware is > promising. Select the disk and goto details > resources > misc. On the > third line in misc you should see a line which says: Device file: > /dev/ > > Try to mount that device. Failing that. If you have no other USB storage > devices plugged in and no CD writer, it should be /dev/sda, so just try > mounting that! I'm not sure if it is just /dev/sda or /dev/sda1. Try both. > > You should find that SuSE will setup SCSI emulation automatically when you > plug the device in. > > Mike. > > On Wednesday 01 January 2003 13:49, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote: > > Mike > > > > Thanks for the advice. I am using SuSe 8.0. When I look at Information > > > Available hardware > Disks I can see both my IDE drive with a green tick > > and a the digital camera with a crossed set of tools (I don't know what > > that means). > > > > I suspect the problem is with my SCSI emulation because Information > Block > > Devices > does not list any SCSI (/dev/sdx) devices. Information > Block > > Devices > lists > > (a) device: shmfs mountpoint: /dev/shm > > > > and Information > Partitions > lists > > > > (a) device: usbdevfs mountpoint: /proc/bus/usb and > > (b) device: proc mountpoint: /proc > > > > but /proc/scsi/scsi is an empty document. I searched the web and found a > > suggestion that I edit > > /usr/src/Linux2.14.18/drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.h. Does this make > > sense to you? > > > > Final bit of info /var/log/messages reports "etc/hotplug/usb.agent[3641]: > > Can't find signal CHLD, forcing to default". > > > > I am sure this will be dead obvious to you. > > > > Thanks > > > > Andre > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mini Mike" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera > > > > > Assuming you have no other SCSI devices or devices like CDwriters/USB > > > > storage, > > > > > etc using SCSI emulation, it will probably be /dev/sda. > > > > > > If you look in KDE Control Center, under Information > Available hardware > > > > > > Disks, you should see it. Look at the details and it should have the > > > > device > > > > > file in there. > > > > > > Mike. > > > > > > On Monday 30 December 2002 20:47, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote: > > > > David or Ashley > > > > > > > > What do I have to do to get Suse 8.0 to see my digital camera? I have > > > > ensured that the USB port is functional and Suse is reporting the > > > > camera's > > > > > > compact flash as a "disk". I presume that I have to mount it onto the > > > > file > > > > > > system but cannot see any likely candidates in the /dev/*** bit of > > > > dmesg. > > > > > > What am I missing. > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk > > > > Tel: +44(0)1543 415 440 > > > > Fax: +44(0)1543 415 778 > > > > Mobile: +44(0)7799 473 607 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sderby mailing list > > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sderby mailing list > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 2 16:33:59 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mr Alan Carter) Date: Thu Jan 2 16:33:59 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Revolution Request Message-ID: Hi All, My name is Alan Carter. I’m the author of a free Linux package called Skipper, visible at http://home.freeuk.net/skipperproject. Skipper adds 2 highly configurable extra layers, inside and outside X, and makes all Linux apps fully accessible to people with all sorts of impaired movement. It works a treat - I’ve tested it with people suffering from severe Cerebral Palsy, stroke damage, impact brain injuries from road traffic accidents and so on. With old P233 computers being easy to find and Linux being free, there is no reason why anyone with a mind need be isolated - or even bored - any more. There is certainly no excuse for raising kids to be functionally illiterate just because they’ve got Cerebral Palsy. Obviously Skipper projects freeware power into a new area of need, and it also opens the question of what around 2,000,000 people will do when they get access to the Internet and can earn kudos for the first time in their lives. Setting Skipper boxen up is also fun hacking. (See the “VxD Configuration” page for examples of graphical programming of I/O processing, the “Selecting Sensors” page for some really noddy, rainy afternoon type hardware interfacing. For the inventive there’s also the “Further Work” page!) I’ve joined this list because I need help. I need to start a fashion, and get loads of households with movement impaired people in them into the Linux community. The charities are no help at all with this. The sociology is nasty, and means that (for example) the vast number of existing texts available at Project Gutenberg are never used as large print books, and are never fed into the Festival voice synthesiser to produce talking books. People who need large print and talking books are being held in the pre-IT era by vested interests that are even worse than Micro$oft, and the same is true of movement impaired people. So the people (around 1 in 250 of the total population) who are being cheated out of the Information Age - but who need it most - need Linux enthusiasts tracking down their movement impaired neighbours, relatives, colleauges’ relatives and so on, finding Christmas-obsoleted old PCs, downloading Skipper, setting the people up, showing them what’s out there and (where the users are willing) making them famous. It has to happen directly, on the ground, in the free software, just do it, zero administration way. I’m currently staying near Alfreton (hence this list), and can meet interested hackers, help and support in whatever way I can. Please, please, help get the penguin where it needs to be - and remember this is waiting to happen worldwide. TIA, Alan -- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 2 18:50:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Thu Jan 2 18:50:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera References: <008801c2b044$b37f14f0$0100a8c0@pc2> <200212311559.33896.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <00d001c2b19c$a66ed0d0$0100a8c0@pc2> <200301012104.30007.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <02ed01c2b28f$629059d0$0100a8c0@pc2> Mike I have had a second look at the issue and I am very confused. When I click on Control Centre > Available Hardware > Disks > Optio 330GS it does not report any futher details. I presume you meant Control Centre > YAST2 modules > Hardware > Hardware info This reports stuff I understand for the hard disk i.e. Disk > QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4 > Device name: /dev/hda Disk > QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4 > Resources > driver: ide-disk When I look at the Camera I see: Disk > PENTAX OPTIO GS330 > There is no Device Name: /dev/anything reported, and similarly Disk > PENTAX OPTIO GS330 > Resources > There is no driver being reported This is consistent with /proc/bus/usb/devices as well as /proc/bus/usb/drivers being empty documents. My conclusion is that the USB hot swapping is working OK but that it is not picking up the parameters is should be, probably because my camera is not listed in the file it is looking at. Do you agree. Andre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mini Mike" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera > Andre, > > The fact that SuSE is seeing the camera as a disk in availibe hardware is > promising. Select the disk and goto details > resources > misc. On the > third line in misc you should see a line which says: Device file: > /dev/ > > Try to mount that device. Failing that. If you have no other USB storage > devices plugged in and no CD writer, it should be /dev/sda, so just try > mounting that! I'm not sure if it is just /dev/sda or /dev/sda1. Try both. > > You should find that SuSE will setup SCSI emulation automatically when you > plug the device in. > > Mike. > > On Wednesday 01 January 2003 13:49, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote: > > Mike > > > > Thanks for the advice. I am using SuSe 8.0. When I look at Information > > > Available hardware > Disks I can see both my IDE drive with a green tick > > and a the digital camera with a crossed set of tools (I don't know what > > that means). > > > > I suspect the problem is with my SCSI emulation because Information > Block > > Devices > does not list any SCSI (/dev/sdx) devices. Information > Block > > Devices > lists > > (a) device: shmfs mountpoint: /dev/shm > > > > and Information > Partitions > lists > > > > (a) device: usbdevfs mountpoint: /proc/bus/usb and > > (b) device: proc mountpoint: /proc > > > > but /proc/scsi/scsi is an empty document. I searched the web and found a > > suggestion that I edit > > /usr/src/Linux2.14.18/drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.h. Does this make > > sense to you? > > > > Final bit of info /var/log/messages reports "etc/hotplug/usb.agent[3641]: > > Can't find signal CHLD, forcing to default". > > > > I am sure this will be dead obvious to you. > > > > Thanks > > > > Andre > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mini Mike" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera > > > > > Assuming you have no other SCSI devices or devices like CDwriters/USB > > > > storage, > > > > > etc using SCSI emulation, it will probably be /dev/sda. > > > > > > If you look in KDE Control Center, under Information > Available hardware > > > > > > Disks, you should see it. Look at the details and it should have the > > > > device > > > > > file in there. > > > > > > Mike. > > > > > > On Monday 30 December 2002 20:47, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote: > > > > David or Ashley > > > > > > > > What do I have to do to get Suse 8.0 to see my digital camera? I have > > > > ensured that the USB port is functional and Suse is reporting the > > > > camera's > > > > > > compact flash as a "disk". I presume that I have to mount it onto the > > > > file > > > > > > system but cannot see any likely candidates in the /dev/*** bit of > > > > dmesg. > > > > > > What am I missing. > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk > > > > Tel: +44(0)1543 415 440 > > > > Fax: +44(0)1543 415 778 > > > > Mobile: +44(0)7799 473 607 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sderby mailing list > > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sderby mailing list > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 2 20:47:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Thu Jan 2 20:47:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Revolution Request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200301022050.43750.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Perhaps you could us a demo/presentation at our next meeting on Jan 12th? Mike. On Thursday 02 January 2003 16:33, Mr Alan Carter wrote: > Hi All, > > My name is Alan Carter. I=92m the author of a free Linux package called > Skipper, visible at http://home.freeuk.net/skipperproject. Skipper adds > 2 highly configurable extra layers, inside and outside X, and makes all > Linux apps fully accessible to people with all sorts of impaired > movement. > > It works a treat - I=92ve tested it with people suffering from severe > Cerebral Palsy, stroke damage, impact brain injuries from road traffic > accidents and so on. > > With old P233 computers being easy to find and Linux being free, there > is no reason why anyone with a mind need be isolated - or even bored - > any more. There is certainly no excuse for raising kids to be > functionally illiterate just because they=92ve got Cerebral Palsy. > > Obviously Skipper projects freeware power into a new area of need, and > it also opens the question of what around 2,000,000 people will do when > they get access to the Internet and can earn kudos for the first time > in their lives. Setting Skipper boxen up is also fun hacking. (See the > =93VxD Configuration=94 page for examples of graphical programming of I= /O > processing, the =93Selecting Sensors=94 page for some really noddy, rai= ny > afternoon type hardware interfacing. For the inventive there=92s also t= he > =93Further Work=94 page!) > > I=92ve joined this list because I need help. I need to start a fashion, > and get loads of households with movement impaired people in them into > the Linux community. The charities are no help at all with this. The > sociology is nasty, and means that (for example) the vast number of > existing texts available at Project Gutenberg are never used as large > print books, and are never fed into the Festival voice synthesiser to > produce talking books. People who need large print and talking books > are being held in the pre-IT era by vested interests that are even > worse than Micro$oft, and the same is true of movement impaired people. > > > So the people (around 1 in 250 of the total population) who are being > cheated out of the Information Age - but who need it most - need Linux > enthusiasts tracking down their movement impaired neighbours, relatives= , > colleauges=92 relatives and so on, finding Christmas-obsoleted old PCs, > downloading Skipper, setting the people up, showing them what=92s out > there and (where the users are willing) making them famous. It has to > happen directly, on the ground, in the free software, just do it, zero > administration way. > > I=92m currently staying near Alfreton (hence this list), and can meet > interested hackers, help and support in whatever way I can. Please, > please, help get the penguin where it needs to be - and remember this > is waiting to happen worldwide. > > TIA, > > Alan From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 2 21:00:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Thu Jan 2 21:00:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera In-Reply-To: <02ed01c2b28f$629059d0$0100a8c0@pc2> References: <008801c2b044$b37f14f0$0100a8c0@pc2> <200301012104.30007.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <02ed01c2b28f$629059d0$0100a8c0@pc2> Message-ID: <200301022103.27627.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Hmm, you'll find that you get things in usb even if the device isn't supp= orted=20 becase it can read manufacture and model info as part of the USB standard= s. =20 Though it makes me wonder why it is seeing it as a disk and not assigning= it=20 a SCSI device. Have you tried it on win2k? Does it see it as a disk and= =20 does it need drvers installing? Might be worth doing a google too. Mike. On Thursday 02 January 2003 18:47, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote: > Mike > > I have had a second look at the issue and I am very confused. > > When I click on Control Centre > Available Hardware > Disks > Optio 330= GS > it does not report any futher details. > > I presume you meant Control Centre > YAST2 modules > Hardware > Hardwar= e > info > > This reports stuff I understand for the hard disk i.e. > Disk > QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4 > Device name: /dev/hda > Disk > QUANTUM FIREBALL EX6.4 > Resources > driver: ide-disk > > When I look at the Camera I see: > Disk > PENTAX OPTIO GS330 > There is no Device Name: /dev/anything > reported, and similarly > Disk > PENTAX OPTIO GS330 > Resources > There is no driver being > reported > > This is consistent with /proc/bus/usb/devices as well as > /proc/bus/usb/drivers being empty documents. My conclusion is that the = USB > hot swapping is working OK but that it is not picking up the parameters= is > should be, probably because my camera is not listed in the file it is > looking at. > > Do you agree. > > Andre > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mini Mike" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera > > > Andre, > > > > The fact that SuSE is seeing the camera as a disk in availibe hardwar= e is > > promising. Select the disk and goto details > resources > misc. On = the > > third line in misc you should see a line which says: Device file: > > /dev/ > > > > Try to mount that device. Failing that. If you have no other USB > > storage devices plugged in and no CD writer, it should be /dev/sda, s= o > > just try mounting that! I'm not sure if it is just /dev/sda or > > /dev/sda1. Try > > both. > > > You should find that SuSE will setup SCSI emulation automatically whe= n > > you plug the device in. > > > > Mike. > > > > On Wednesday 01 January 2003 13:49, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wro= te: > > > Mike > > > > > > Thanks for the advice. I am using SuSe 8.0. When I look at Informat= ion > > > > Available hardware > Disks I can see both my IDE drive with a gr= een > > tick > > > > and a the digital camera with a crossed set of tools (I don't know = what > > > that means). > > > > > > I suspect the problem is with my SCSI emulation because Information= > > > Block > > > > Devices > does not list any SCSI (/dev/sdx) devices. Information > > > Block > > > > Devices > lists > > > (a) device: shmfs mountpoint: /dev/shm > > > > > > and Information > Partitions > lists > > > > > > (a) device: usbdevfs mountpoint: /proc/bus/u= sb > > and > > > > (b) device: proc mountpoint: /proc > > > > > > but /proc/scsi/scsi is an empty document. I searched the web and f= ound > > a > > > > suggestion that I edit > > > /usr/src/Linux2.14.18/drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.h. Does this > > > make sense to you? > > > > > > Final bit of info /var/log/messages reports > > "etc/hotplug/usb.agent[3641]: > > > Can't find signal CHLD, forcing to default". > > > > > > I am sure this will be dead obvious to you. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Andre > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mini Mike" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:59 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera > > > > > > > Assuming you have no other SCSI devices or devices like CDwriters= /USB > > > > > > storage, > > > > > > > etc using SCSI emulation, it will probably be /dev/sda. > > > > > > > > If you look in KDE Control Center, under Information > Available > > hardware > > > > > Disks, you should see it. Look at the details and it should have= the > > > > > > device > > > > > > > file in there. > > > > > > > > Mike. > > > > > > > > On Monday 30 December 2002 20:47, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk w= rote: > > > > > David or Ashley > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to do to get Suse 8.0 to see my digital camera? = I > > have > > > > > > ensured that the USB port is functional and Suse is reporting t= he > > > > > > camera's > > > > > > > > compact flash as a "disk". I presume that I have to mount it on= to > > the > > > > file > > > > > > > > system but cannot see any likely candidates in the /dev/*** bit= of > > > > > > dmesg. > > > > > > > > What am I missing. > > > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > > andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk > > > > > Tel: +44(0)1543 415 440 > > > > > Fax: +44(0)1543 415 778 > > > > > Mobile: +44(0)7799 473 607 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Sderby mailing list > > > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sderby mailing list > > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sderby mailing list > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 2 21:39:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Thu Jan 2 21:39:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Happy birthday revolution Message-ID: <200301022142.56156.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> All, Yesterday was the 20th aniversory of the day the ARPAnet swtiched to TCP/= IP,=20 which many mark as the most logical birth of the internet and to celebrat= e=20 we're having a party at the Babington Arms. All are welcome - bring your= =20 modems :-) Friday 3rd 19:30 - late Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 2 22:38:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Thu Jan 2 22:38:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Skipper In-Reply-To: <200301022050.43750.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200301022050.43750.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E14BF13.1080502@ntlworld.com> Am also interested as I work as an IT technician in a special needs school A demo would be much appreciated. Cheers Tony From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 3 00:48:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mr Alan Carter) Date: Fri Jan 3 00:48:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Skipper Message-ID: > Am also interested as I work as an IT technician in a special needs school > A demo would be much appreciated. Far out! I can do the Babbington Arms easily, and will confirm transport for Ashby on the 12th. I assume it will be Asby on the 12th? What kind of time would be good? Alan -- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 3 09:17:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Andrew White) Date: Fri Jan 3 09:17:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Mounting a digital camera In-Reply-To: <02ed01c2b28f$629059d0$0100a8c0@pc2> Message-ID: > This is consistent with /proc/bus/usb/devices as well as > /proc/bus/usb/drivers being empty documents. My conclusion is that the USB > hot swapping is working OK but that it is not picking up the parameters is > should be, probably because my camera is not listed in the file it is > looking at. [snip] When you look through dmesg, do you see any 'usb mass storage' devices being reported? Or can you check whether usb-storage module is being loaded (lsmod) by the kernel? This driver is needed to mount the devices, as well as the scsi emulation. You also need sd_mod (scsi disc) loaded. I'm not sure if you're confident with compiling a kernel yourself, but you may not need to... Andy From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 3 10:02:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Fri Jan 3 10:02:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Happy birthday revolution In-Reply-To: <200301022142.56156.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200301022142.56156.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1041588100.3e155f84bd4a9@webmail.freedom2surf.net> as this is my first post to this list, i'll take this opportunity to say hi to everyone. i recently moved to Derby after finishing my degree (BSc in Cybernetics and Virtual Worlds), and i've wanted to get into a LUG for ages, but never had the chance. so i thought i'd come along to one of your pub meetings and introduce myself properly. I've been using linux for various things for about 3 years, mainly servers for games like Half-Life, and for web page serving. normal stuff. anyway, back to the reason for posting in the first place. Is the Babington Arms on Babington Lane? i know its a stupid question, but i still get lost around Derby so i kinda stick to places that i know. When is the next meeting? what do you actually do there? do you just drink and chat? do you just meet in the bar? or do you use a function room? sorry to ask so many questions. Ian Spratt Quoting Mini Mike : > All, > > Yesterday was the 20th aniversory of the day the ARPAnet swtiched to TCP/IP, > > which many mark as the most logical birth of the internet and to celebrate > we're having a party at the Babington Arms. All are welcome - bring your > modems :-) > > Friday 3rd 19:30 - late > > Mike. > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 3 12:25:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Fri Jan 3 12:25:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Skipper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200301031232.22993.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> On Friday 03 January 2003 00:47, Mr Alan Carter wrote: > > Am also interested as I work as an IT technician in a special needs > > school > > > A demo would be much appreciated. > > Far out! I can do the Babbington Arms easily, and will confirm > transport for Ashby on the 12th. I assume it will be Asby on the > 12th? What kind of time would be good? > > Alan We are there (Moira) from 2PM to give people time to set up any demo=20 kit, aiming to kick off at 2:30. Dom From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 3 12:27:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Fri Jan 3 12:27:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Skipper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E1542F7.30706@ntlworld.com> --------------050800050702060209080903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ashby would be best for me. Cheers Tony Mr Alan Carter wrote: >>Am also interested as I work as an IT technician in a special needs >> >> >school > > >>A demo would be much appreciated. >> >> > >Far out! I can do the Babbington Arms easily, and will confirm >transport for Ashby on the 12th. I assume it will be Asby on the 12th? >What kind of time would be good? > >Alan > > > --------------050800050702060209080903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ashby would be best for me.
Cheers
Tony
Mr Alan Carter wrote:
Am also interested as I work as an IT technician in a special needs 
    
school
  
A demo would be much appreciated.
    

Far out! I can do the Babbington Arms easily, and will confirm 
transport for Ashby on the 12th. I assume it will be Asby on the 12th? 
What kind of time would be good?

Alan
--------------050800050702060209080903-- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 3 12:27:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Fri Jan 3 12:27:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Happy birthday revolution In-Reply-To: <1041588100.3e155f84bd4a9@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <200301022142.56156.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <1041588100.3e155f84bd4a9@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <3E156323.6040107@ntlworld.com> --------------060405050603030007050604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ian, just to say welcome and maybe see you at next meeting Tony (The guy who brings all the junk each month! 8) slh@f2s.com wrote: >as this is my first post to this list, i'll take this opportunity to say hi to >everyone. i recently moved to Derby after finishing my degree (BSc in >Cybernetics and Virtual Worlds), and i've wanted to get into a LUG for ages, >but never had the chance. so i thought i'd come along to one of your pub >meetings and introduce myself properly. I've been using linux for various >things for about 3 years, mainly servers for games like Half-Life, and for web >page serving. normal stuff. > >anyway, back to the reason for posting in the first place. Is the Babington >Arms on Babington Lane? i know its a stupid question, but i still get lost >around Derby so i kinda stick to places that i know. >When is the next meeting? what do you actually do there? do you just drink and >chat? do you just meet in the bar? or do you use a function room? > >sorry to ask so many questions. > >Ian Spratt > > > >Quoting Mini Mike : > > > >>All, >> >>Yesterday was the 20th aniversory of the day the ARPAnet swtiched to TCP/IP, >> >>which many mark as the most logical birth of the internet and to celebrate >>we're having a party at the Babington Arms. All are welcome - bring your >>modems :-) >> >>Friday 3rd 19:30 - late >> >>Mike. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sderby mailing list >>Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >>Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >>wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl >> >> >> > > > > >------------------------------------------------- >Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > --------------060405050603030007050604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ian, just to say welcome and maybe see you at next meeting

Tony (The guy who brings all the junk each month!  8)

slh@f2s.com wrote:
as this is my first post to this list, i'll take this opportunity to say hi to 
everyone. i recently moved to Derby after finishing my degree (BSc in 
Cybernetics and Virtual Worlds), and i've wanted to get into a LUG for ages, 
but never had the chance. so i thought i'd come along to one of your pub 
meetings and introduce myself properly. I've been using linux for various 
things for about 3 years, mainly servers for games like Half-Life, and for web 
page serving. normal stuff.

anyway, back to the reason for posting in the first place. Is the Babington 
Arms on Babington Lane? i know its a stupid question, but i still get lost 
around Derby so i kinda stick to places that i know. 
When is the next meeting? what do you actually do there? do you just drink and 
chat? do you just meet in the bar? or do you use a function room?

sorry to ask so many questions.

Ian Spratt



Quoting Mini Mike <hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>:

  
All,

Yesterday was the 20th aniversory of the day the ARPAnet swtiched to TCP/IP,

which many mark as the most logical birth of the internet and to celebrate 
we're having a party at the Babington Arms.  All are welcome - bring your 
modems :-)

Friday 3rd 19:30 - late

Mike.

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--------------060405050603030007050604-- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 4 13:25:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ian Simpson) Date: Sat Jan 4 13:25:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Who can they mean??? In-Reply-To: <200212051244.39651.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> References: <200212031935.25627.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <200212041107.22339.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> <200212050838160390.005639A8@relay.clara.net> <200212051244.39651.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <200301041324500160.011EF2A1@relay.clara.net> Just had to smile :-) Just seen this at "A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen-bit patch to an eight-bit operating system originally coded for a four-bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition." No prizes for guessing who they refer to. On 05/12/2002 at 12:44 you wrote: >Nah! Their villagepower program is at fault, I think they need to add; >if (new_houses => 100) > Install_new_control_gear (); > new_houses = 0; >fi > >Dom > >On Thursday 05 December 2002 08:38, Ian Simpson wrote: >> Add "bill_payment_reminder = 1" to >> /etc/alerts/utility/power.conf >> >> or keep a shilling handy for the meter :-) >> >> On 04/12/2002 at 11:07 you wrote: >> >Apologies from me too. My power company decided we should spend >> > the evening with candlelight. >> >Dom. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ian >> iansimpson@clara.co.uk >> >> http://home.clara.net/iansimpson > > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl Regards, Ian iansimpson@clara.co.uk http://home.clara.net/iansimpson From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 4 22:52:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (nfmartin@talkgas.net) Date: Sat Jan 4 22:52:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Dialling in to internet Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030104223108.00a0fec0@pop.talkgas.net> Hello Everyone, I seek your help. I have installed SUSE 8.1 Personal using the default settings. I have also configured my modem (usb). Control Center - Information - Available Hardware shows under Modem, two entries for Lucent Atlas Modem Board - one with a tick and one with a cross under status. YAST2 modem module shows that the Lucent Atlas Board has been configured. However, when I try to dial out the KInternet log shows: Starting connection (2003-01-04 22.15.54 GMT) pppd: Plugin passwordfd.so loaded pppd: speed 1500000 not supported pppd: -->WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.42 pppd: -->Initializing modem pppd: -->Sending ATZ pppd: -->Sending ATQ0 pppd: ATQ0 pppd: OK pppd: -->Re-sending ATZ pppd: ATZ pppd: OK pppd: -->stdin not read/write and $MODEM not set pppd: Connect script failed pppd died: Connect script failed (exit code 8) The modem used to work fine under SUSE 7.1. I tried to carry out an upgrade installation to 8.1 but there were so many conflicts that I removed 7.1 and did a fresh install of 8.1. Any advice would be appreciated, but needs to be in words of one syllable. Thanks in advance. Bob From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 5 11:50:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Sun Jan 5 11:50:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Dialling in to internet In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030104223108.00a0fec0@pop.talkgas.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030104223108.00a0fec0@pop.talkgas.net> Message-ID: <20030105114752.7dcab20a.aheath@clikmail.net> It looks like a permissions problem, make sure you have read/write permissions to /dev/ttyS? where ? is the number that relates to your modem to check cd into /dev if a symbolic link is set up for the modem typing ls -l modem should show you which ttyS? device points to your modem make sure it has permissions 660 (rw for user and group) then make sure your user is in the correct group, on my 8.1 installation the group is uucp Ash On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 22:49:44 +0000 "nfmartin@talkgas.net" wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I seek your help. I have installed SUSE 8.1 Personal using the default > settings. I have also configured my modem (usb). Control Center - > Information - Available Hardware shows under Modem, two entries for Lucent > Atlas Modem Board - one with a tick and one with a cross under > status. YAST2 modem module shows that the Lucent Atlas Board has been > configured. However, when I try to dial out the KInternet log shows: > > Starting connection (2003-01-04 22.15.54 GMT) > pppd: Plugin passwordfd.so loaded > pppd: speed 1500000 not supported > pppd: -->WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.42 > pppd: -->Initializing modem > pppd: -->Sending ATZ > pppd: -->Sending ATQ0 > pppd: ATQ0 > pppd: OK > pppd: -->Re-sending ATZ > pppd: ATZ > pppd: OK > pppd: -->stdin not read/write and $MODEM not set > pppd: Connect script failed > pppd died: Connect script failed (exit code 8) > > The modem used to work fine under SUSE 7.1. I tried to carry out an > upgrade installation to 8.1 but there were so many conflicts that I removed > 7.1 and did a fresh install of 8.1. Any advice would be appreciated, but > needs to be in words of one syllable. Thanks in advance. > > Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 5 12:16:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Jolley) Date: Sun Jan 5 12:16:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Dialling in to internet In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030104223108.00a0fec0@pop.talkgas.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030104223108.00a0fec0@pop.talkgas.net> Message-ID: <20030105121503.GS9996@lucien> * nfmartin@talkgas.net (nfmartin@talkgas.net) wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I seek your help. I have installed SUSE 8.1 Personal using the default > settings. I have also configured my modem (usb). Control Center - > Information - Available Hardware shows under Modem, two entries for Lucent > Atlas Modem Board - one with a tick and one with a cross under > status. YAST2 modem module shows that the Lucent Atlas Board has been > configured. However, when I try to dial out the KInternet log shows: > Can you find out why there's 2 entries? Can a SUSE person say whether this is normal or not for this type of modem? > pppd: -->stdin not read/write and $MODEM not set > pppd: Connect script failed > pppd died: Connect script failed (exit code 8) > This is the reason it died. By the look of the log previous to this, the modem is functioning as a hayes modem - the ATQ0 and ATZ both have an 'OK' after them, which would have been generated by the modem in response to these commands (ATZ is a generic reset command). I think the problem is related to the "stdin not read/write and $MODEM not set" line. Would it be possible for you to send your /etc/wvdial.conf (or wherever SUSE puts it; again a SUSE person will help if necessary) *with your username and password changed*. > The modem used to work fine under SUSE 7.1. I tried to carry out an > upgrade installation to 8.1 but there were so many conflicts that I removed > 7.1 and did a fresh install of 8.1. Any advice would be appreciated, but > needs to be in words of one syllable. Thanks in advance. > There's hope, then. I'm quite certain this is a configuration error, rather than hardware error. email in the modified file requested, and We'll have a look. Cheers, Dave. -- Lord of the Rings (abridged): Some guys take a long holiday to throw a ring in a volcano. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 5 17:47:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (thegoths) Date: Sun Jan 5 17:47:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Re: Sderby digest, Vol 1 #115 - 3 msgs References: <20030105120002.9955.11271.Mailman@lug.org.uk> Message-ID: <000d01c2b4e1$64dad720$700c6451@hal> Great set of articles, just to show that we stay busy around here. http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: Sderby digest, Vol 1 #115 - 3 msgs > Send Sderby mailing list submissions to > sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sderby-request@mailman.lug.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Sderby digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Who can they mean??? (Ian Simpson) > 2. Dialling in to internet (nfmartin@talkgas.net) > 3. Re: Dialling in to internet (Ashley Heath) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 13:24:50 +0000 > From: "Ian Simpson" > To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: [Sderby] Who can they mean??? > Reply-To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > Just had to smile :-) > > Just seen this at > > "A thirty-two bit extension and graphical shell to a sixteen-bit > patch to an eight-bit operating system originally coded for a > four-bit microprocessor which was written by a two-bit company > that can't stand one bit of competition." > > No prizes for guessing who they refer to. > > > On 05/12/2002 at 12:44 you wrote: > > >Nah! Their villagepower program is at fault, I think they need > to add; > >if (new_houses => 100) > > Install_new_control_gear (); > > new_houses = 0; > >fi > > > >Dom > > > >On Thursday 05 December 2002 08:38, Ian Simpson wrote: > >> Add "bill_payment_reminder = 1" to > >> /etc/alerts/utility/power.conf > >> > >> or keep a shilling handy for the meter :-) > >> > >> On 04/12/2002 at 11:07 you wrote: > >> >Apologies from me too. My power company decided we should > spend > >> > the evening with candlelight. > >> >Dom. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Ian > >> iansimpson@clara.co.uk > >> > >> http://home.clara.net/iansimpson > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sderby mailing list > >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > > Regards, > > Ian > iansimpson@clara.co.uk > > http://home.clara.net/iansimpson > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 22:49:44 +0000 > To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > From: "nfmartin@talkgas.net" > Subject: [Sderby] Dialling in to internet > Reply-To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > Hello Everyone, > > I seek your help. I have installed SUSE 8.1 Personal using the default > settings. I have also configured my modem (usb). Control Center - > Information - Available Hardware shows under Modem, two entries for Lucent > Atlas Modem Board - one with a tick and one with a cross under > status. YAST2 modem module shows that the Lucent Atlas Board has been > configured. However, when I try to dial out the KInternet log shows: > > Starting connection (2003-01-04 22.15.54 GMT) > pppd: Plugin passwordfd.so loaded > pppd: speed 1500000 not supported > pppd: -->WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.42 > pppd: -->Initializing modem > pppd: -->Sending ATZ > pppd: -->Sending ATQ0 > pppd: ATQ0 > pppd: OK > pppd: -->Re-sending ATZ > pppd: ATZ > pppd: OK > pppd: -->stdin not read/write and $MODEM not set > pppd: Connect script failed > pppd died: Connect script failed (exit code 8) > > The modem used to work fine under SUSE 7.1. I tried to carry out an > upgrade installation to 8.1 but there were so many conflicts that I removed > 7.1 and did a fresh install of 8.1. Any advice would be appreciated, but > needs to be in words of one syllable. Thanks in advance. > > Bob > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:47:52 +0000 > From: Ashley Heath > To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Sderby] Dialling in to internet > Reply-To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > It looks like a permissions problem, make sure you have read/write permissions to /dev/ttyS? where ? is the number that relates to your modem > to check cd into /dev > if a symbolic link is set up for the modem typing ls -l modem should show you which ttyS? device points to your modem > make sure it has permissions 660 (rw for user and group) then make sure your user is in the correct group, on my 8.1 installation the group is uucp > > Ash > > On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 22:49:44 +0000 > "nfmartin@talkgas.net" wrote: > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I seek your help. I have installed SUSE 8.1 Personal using the default > > settings. I have also configured my modem (usb). Control Center - > > Information - Available Hardware shows under Modem, two entries for Lucent > > Atlas Modem Board - one with a tick and one with a cross under > > status. YAST2 modem module shows that the Lucent Atlas Board has been > > configured. However, when I try to dial out the KInternet log shows: > > > > Starting connection (2003-01-04 22.15.54 GMT) > > pppd: Plugin passwordfd.so loaded > > pppd: speed 1500000 not supported > > pppd: -->WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.42 > > pppd: -->Initializing modem > > pppd: -->Sending ATZ > > pppd: -->Sending ATQ0 > > pppd: ATQ0 > > pppd: OK > > pppd: -->Re-sending ATZ > > pppd: ATZ > > pppd: OK > > pppd: -->stdin not read/write and $MODEM not set > > pppd: Connect script failed > > pppd died: Connect script failed (exit code 8) > > > > The modem used to work fine under SUSE 7.1. I tried to carry out an > > upgrade installation to 8.1 but there were so many conflicts that I removed > > 7.1 and did a fresh install of 8.1. Any advice would be appreciated, but > > needs to be in words of one syllable. Thanks in advance. > > > > Bob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sderby mailing list > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > > End of Sderby Digest > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02 From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 11:45:25 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Tue Jan 7 11:45:25 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Fwd: Getting to Moira Message-ID: <200301071143.06447.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Getting to Moira Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 01:19:59 +0000 From: Mr Alan Carter To: sderby@lug.org.uk Hi, There are a couple of people who are interested in seeing the Skipper stuff running at Moira next Sunday, so I'm very keen to get there. I have a problem though, in that I can't scrounge a lift from my rather busy relatives on Sunday. (My own car's at home in Spain.) Is anyone going to be passing Junction 28 or otherwise passing near Alfreton, who could make a slight detour and give me a lift to Moira? TIA, Alan -- ------------------------------------------------------- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 13:08:27 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Tue Jan 7 13:08:27 2003 Subject: [Sderby] I'm Back Message-ID: <200301071311.50583.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Not that you noticed I was gone ;) Sorry if I haven't replied yet to=20 anyone who has been expecting me to, I will try and catch up on mail=20 tonight. Dom (who now has a new keyboard without the vodka content!) From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 19:28:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Tue Jan 7 19:28:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] IRC meeting tonight Message-ID: <200301071926.27033.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> See you all on the IRC channel at 21:00. Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 19:29:25 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Tue Jan 7 19:29:25 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Sderby web Message-ID: <200301071931.21097.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> All, I'm currently doing some work on the website (I know, first time for=20 everything!) The currernt area of work is the meetings schedule. I have= =20 added the meeting dates for this year. Now I need to add the schedule fo= r=20 each meeting. If anyone has any ideas for: A) What they could demo B) What they would like to see demoed. Let me know and I will try to arrange it. Also, if the motivation stays with me I will add a knoelge base/FAQ/etc=20 section to the web any idea would be most welcome. Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 20:20:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Tue Jan 7 20:20:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Sderby web In-Reply-To: <200301071931.21097.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200301071931.21097.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E1B3650.8080800@ntlworld.com> How about the use of spell checkers in mail programs? 8) Tony Mini Mike wrote: >All, > >I'm currently doing some work on the website (I know, first time for >everything!) The currernt area of work is the meetings schedule. I have >added the meeting dates for this year. Now I need to add the schedule for >each meeting. If anyone has any ideas for: > >A) What they could demo >B) What they would like to see demoed. > >Let me know and I will try to arrange it. > >Also, if the motivation stays with me I will add a knoelge base/FAQ/etc >section to the web any idea would be most welcome. > >Mike. > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 20:23:25 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Tue Jan 7 20:23:25 2003 Subject: [Sderby] RIP In-Reply-To: <200301071926.27033.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> References: <200301071926.27033.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E1B368E.70805@ntlworld.com> Sorry can't make it for IRC. Friends PC motherboard has died! Will be fixing till wee hours Tony Mini Mike wrote: >See you all on the IRC channel at 21:00. > >Mike. > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 22:23:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill) Date: Tue Jan 7 22:23:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] IRC Message-ID: <1041978149.1754.0.camel@athlon.local> Looks like the sderby IRC server is screwed, I can't connect!! -- David Bottrill From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 22:26:29 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Jolley) Date: Tue Jan 7 22:26:29 2003 Subject: [Sderby] IRC In-Reply-To: <1041978149.1754.0.camel@athlon.local> References: <1041978149.1754.0.camel@athlon.local> Message-ID: <20030107222530.GF15892@lucien> * David Bottrill (david.bottrill@ntlworld.com) wrote: > Looks like the sderby IRC server is screwed, I can't connect!! It kicked me out too. I'm back on now, though. Dave. -- Lord of the Rings (abridged): Some guys take a long holiday to throw a ring in a volcano. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 22:31:26 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Jolley) Date: Tue Jan 7 22:31:26 2003 Subject: [Sderby] IRC In-Reply-To: <20030107222530.GF15892@lucien> References: <1041978149.1754.0.camel@athlon.local> <20030107222530.GF15892@lucien> Message-ID: <20030107222849.GG15892@lucien> * David Jolley (dave@lucien.cx) wrote: > It kicked me out too. I'm back on now, though. > Belay that, I was connected to a different server. Sorry... Dave. -- Lord of the Rings (abridged): Some guys take a long holiday to throw a ring in a volcano. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 22:32:46 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill) Date: Tue Jan 7 22:32:46 2003 Subject: [Sderby] IRC In-Reply-To: <1041978149.1754.0.camel@athlon.local> References: <1041978149.1754.0.camel@athlon.local> Message-ID: <1041978547.2085.2.camel@athlon.local> On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 22:22, David Bottrill wrote: > Looks like the sderby IRC server is screwed, I can't connect!! It's back up -- David Bottrill From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 22:35:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Tue Jan 7 22:35:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] IRC In-Reply-To: <1041978149.1754.0.camel@athlon.local> References: <1041978149.1754.0.camel@athlon.local> Message-ID: <200301072317.57008.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Me neither! On Tuesday 07 January 2003 22:22, David Bottrill wrote: > Looks like the sderby IRC server is screwed, I can't connect!! From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 22:36:25 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Tue Jan 7 22:36:25 2003 Subject: [Sderby] IRC In-Reply-To: <1041978149.1754.0.camel@athlon.local> References: <1041978149.1754.0.camel@athlon.local> Message-ID: <200301072322.13703.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> It be back! On Tuesday 07 January 2003 22:22, David Bottrill wrote: > Looks like the sderby IRC server is screwed, I can't connect!! From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 7 23:53:25 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Tue Jan 7 23:53:25 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Fwd: Mario Fux' Tux was;[lugmaster] Free Software and education Message-ID: <200301072355.54686.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [lugmaster] Free Software and education Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 12:32:14 +0000 From: Richard Smedley To: lugmaster@mailman.lug.org.uk Hello everyone, I'd be grateful if you'd forward this to your LUGs - I'd also be interested to hear of any experiences (negative or positive) that anyone has had in talking to schools about using Free Software. - Richard richard@sc.lug.org.uk http://mailman.fsfeurope.org/pipermail/press-release/2003q1/000048.html : FSF Europe welcomes the TUX&GNU@school column January, 7th 2003 Hamburg/Essen/Valais The Free Software Foundation (FSF) Europe officially welcomes Mario Fux' TUX&GNU@school column whose future editions will be published under the umbrella of the FSF Europe. Each edition of the column contains a presentation of a Free educational software program, valuable tips to web sites that deal with Free Software and education, user testimonies as well as suggestions for new small programs for pupils and teachers. All editions will be published in German and English first. The FSF Europe provides infrastructure and an organizational framework, such as web space and mailing lists for lectors and translators. With this support, Mario Fux continues to write his column. The column is free documentation and the GNU Free Documentation License (GNU FDL) and will be developed in an open manner. In consequence, any interested person can work on the project as a lector or translator. TUX&GNU@school is a logical step to extend the promotion of Free Software in the educational sector. Mario Fux emphasizes: "GNU/Linux and Free Software in schools have become at least as viable as proprietary software in the meantime" and continues: "I'm again and again surprised how big the choice of Free educational programs is", contradicting critics of Free Software who often claim a lack of applications for the GNU platform. Also the didactic and social aspects of the use of Free Software in schools are of special importance: "In the past, computer science education has concentrated too much teaching products instead of comprehension", says Georg C.F. Greve, President of the FSF Europe. Greve continues: "Free Software enables the interactive understanding of outer and inner workings of a computer and furthermore ensures an equality of chances for all pupils". The FSF Europe thanks Mario Fux for his hitherto efforts and looks forward to his future editions, which are available at http://www.fsfeurope.org/education/tgs/ . About the Free Software Foundation Europe The Free Software Foundation Europe (FSF Europe) is a charitable non-governmental organization dedicated to all aspects of Free Software in Europe. Access to software determines who may participate in a digital society. Therefore the freedoms to use, copy, modify and redistribute software - as described in the Free Software definition - allow equal participation in the information age. Creating awareness for these issues, securing Free Software politically and legally, and giving people freedom by supporting development of Free Software are central issues of the FSF Europe, which was founded in 2001 as the European sister organization of the Free Software Foundation in the United States. http://www.fsfeurope.org Contact FSF Europe: Georg C. F. Greve > phone: +49-40-23809080 fax: +49-40-23809081 TUX&GNU@school column: Mario Fux > _______________________________________________________________________ _ This email has been scanned for all viruses. _______________________________________________ lugmaster mailing list lugmaster@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster ------------------------------------------------------- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 9 13:53:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Thu Jan 9 13:53:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Pizza Startrek Message-ID: <3E02AEBD00013BB0@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Guys, A few of us are going out for a pizza and to see Star Trek. If your inte= rested we'll be meeting at the Pizza hut, next to Showcase Cinema, Osmastan Park= Road, Derby at 17:30 tonight (Thursday). Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 9 17:06:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Thu Jan 9 17:06:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] PERL again! Message-ID: <200301091709.44517.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Hi all, I'm currently writing a PERL script to analyse log files from Legarto bac= kup=20 server. What I want to do is find the failures, which are idenified by a= =20 line with "Unsuccessful save sets" then a blankish line, then the fialure= s=20 then another blank line. What I'm thinking of doing if none has a better= =20 idea is searching for "unsuccessful save sets" finding the line number an= d=20 the adding one and extracting a line at a time for analysis until a blank= =20 line, what I need to find out how to do is how to find the line number of= the=20 line and how to extract lines given their number. Thanks, Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 9 17:27:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Andrew White) Date: Thu Jan 9 17:27:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] PERL again! In-Reply-To: <200301091709.44517.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: > I'm currently writing a PERL script to analyse log files from Legarto backup > server. What I want to do is find the failures, which are idenified by a > line with "Unsuccessful save sets" then a blankish line, then the fialures > then another blank line. What I'm thinking of doing if none has a better > idea is searching for "unsuccessful save sets" finding the line number and > the adding one and extracting a line at a time for analysis until a blank > line, what I need to find out how to do is how to find the line number of the > line and how to extract lines given their number. I wrote a quick hack to do this, not exactly great, but it works: given the data is in the file test: $prob=0; open(A,"test"); while () { if ($prob==2 && /^$/) {$prob=0;next;} if ($prob==2) {print "$.\n";} if ($prob==1 && /^$/) {$prob=2;next;} if (/unsuccessful save sets/) {$prob=1;} } will dump the line numbers with problems. You could actually just extract the lines themselves, if you change "$." to "$_", which would make more sense to me. If you want to grab the lines later, use the script as is, and you can recurse through a similar while-loop, printing the incrementing a counter and writing out the lines in question as you go along. There's probably a better way of doing this, but I can't think of one right now. My brain's going. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 9 22:30:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Thu Jan 9 22:30:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Pizza Startrek In-Reply-To: <3E02AEBD00013BB0@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <3E02AEBD00013BB0@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <3E1DF7AA.5030304@ntlworld.com> Would have love to have gone, but only picked up the email after event. Hope it was good Cheers Tony hemstock@tiscali.co.uk wrote: >Guys, > >A few of us are going out for a pizza and to see Star Trek. If your interested >we'll be meeting at the Pizza hut, next to Showcase Cinema, Osmastan Park >Road, Derby at 17:30 tonight (Thursday). > >Mike. > > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 10 06:33:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (nfmartin@talkgas.net) Date: Fri Jan 10 06:33:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] SUSE 8.1 Problem dialling in to internet Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030110062911.00a166f0@pop.talkgas.net> Thanks. The permissions on my system agree with those suggested by Ashley. The file wvdial.conf contains only default settings and does not contain any details of my isp or username and password. I cannot find yet a file that does. Bob From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 10 09:13:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Fri Jan 10 09:13:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] PERL again! References: <200301091709.44517.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <001c01c2b888$1fd48680$0100a8c0@pc2> Mike Here is a script that searches a file called "drw_pc4.dat" for a string containing the text "Application exception occurred:.*?exe". Are you familiar with regular expressions ? The bit that does the work is the line: /(Application exception occurred:.*?exe)/so; and any successful matches are put in $1. This script merely reports the number of incidents to the stdout but you could print the actual string to a log file everytime it found a match. If you need any futher help let me know. Andre script below ***************************************** #!/usr/bin/perl -w #use strict; use IO::Handle; $earlier=time; open WATSONFILE, "< drw_pc4.dat" or die "Cannot open drw_pc4.dat: $!"; while () { /(Application exception occurred:.*?exe)/so;# match multiline dot includes new line $count++; if ($1) { print "\n matched <<$1>> \n"; } } $later= time; $seconds= $later-$earlier; print "\n parsed $count lines in $seconds seconds \n"; close WATSONFILE; ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mini Mike" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: [Sderby] PERL again! > Hi all, > > I'm currently writing a PERL script to analyse log files from Legarto backup > server. What I want to do is find the failures, which are idenified by a > line with "Unsuccessful save sets" then a blankish line, then the fialures > then another blank line. What I'm thinking of doing if none has a better > idea is searching for "unsuccessful save sets" finding the line number and > the adding one and extracting a line at a time for analysis until a blank > line, what I need to find out how to do is how to find the line number of the > line and how to extract lines given their number. > > Thanks, > Mike. > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 10 09:46:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Fri Jan 10 09:46:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Pizza Startrek In-Reply-To: <3E02AEBD00013BB0@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <3E02AEBD00013BB0@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <1042191903.3e1e961f05919@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Was the film any good? > Guys, > > A few of us are going out for a pizza and to see Star Trek. If your > interested > we'll be meeting at the Pizza hut, next to Showcase Cinema, Osmastan Park > Road, Derby at 17:30 tonight (Thursday). > > Mike. > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 10 09:47:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Fri Jan 10 09:47:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] The Babington Arms Message-ID: <1042191985.3e1e9671cbaff@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Is there a meeting tonight at the above mentioned drinking establishment? thanks ian ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 10 09:48:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Kris Adcock) Date: Fri Jan 10 09:48:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Pizza Startrek In-Reply-To: <1042191903.3e1e961f05919@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <000c01c2b88d$3c7bc8c0$c7eea8c0@krisa> Well, thankfully Wesley is only in it for about 5 seconds. > -----Original Message----- > From: sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk > [mailto:sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk]On Behalf Of slh@f2s.com > Sent: 10 January 2003 09:45 > To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Sderby] Pizza Startrek > > > Was the film any good? > > > > Guys, > > > > A few of us are going out for a pizza and to see Star Trek. If your > > interested > > we'll be meeting at the Pizza hut, next to Showcase Cinema, > Osmastan Park > > Road, Derby at 17:30 tonight (Thursday). > > > > Mike. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sderby mailing list > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 10 11:22:03 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill) Date: Fri Jan 10 11:22:03 2003 Subject: [Sderby] The Babington Arms Message-ID: <20030110112155.QWNQ22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.61]> Sure is, I will be there shortly after 7pm, probably having a bite to eat, the rest of the motley crew usually turn up about 7:30. We can be recognised as follows: Me (Dave Bottrill): 5'11" beer belly, thinning hair, scraggy grey beard Mike: short skinny lad with short hair Roger: Thin and lanky Dave Jolley: tall dark hair going anywhere. Dave Bottrill > > From: slh@f2s.com > Date: 2003/01/10 Fri AM 09:46:25 GMT > To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: [Sderby] The Babington Arms > > Is there a meeting tonight at the above mentioned drinking establishment? > > thanks > ian > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 11 17:00:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (James Carter) Date: Sat Jan 11 17:00:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] New Member Message-ID: <3E204CE8.7030805@lycos.co.uk> Hi All I have finally got round to joining the LUG. I see from the web page that there is a meeting tomorrow. Is this still going ahead? If it is I hope to see you all there. Cheers James Carter From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 11 21:27:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill) Date: Sat Jan 11 21:27:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] New Member In-Reply-To: <3E204CE8.7030805@lycos.co.uk> References: <3E204CE8.7030805@lycos.co.uk> Message-ID: <1042320376.1987.1.camel@athlon.local> On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 16:57, James Carter wrote: > Hi All > > I have finally got round to joining the LUG. > I see from the web page that there is a meeting tomorrow. > Is this still going ahead? > If it is I hope to see you all there. > Hi James, Welcome to the LOG, indeed the meeting is on tomorrow, we all look forward to meeting you. -- David Bottrill From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 12 10:50:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Sun Jan 12 10:50:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Meeting Today Message-ID: <200301121057.02001.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> We have a Moira meeting planned today. Arrival from 2PM as usual, we=20 should have an introduction to IRC and possibly a demo on Skipper. Dom From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 12 10:51:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Sun Jan 12 10:51:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Fwd: Getting to Moira In-Reply-To: <200301071143.06447.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> References: <200301071143.06447.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <200301121058.32321.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Has anyone arranged this already? If not, anyone going by who can give=20 him a lift? Regards, Dom > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: Getting to Moira > Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 01:19:59 +0000 > From: Mr Alan Carter > To: sderby@lug.org.uk > > Hi, > > There are a couple of people who are interested in seeing the Skipper > stuff running at Moira next Sunday, so I'm very keen to get there. I > have a problem though, in that I can't scrounge a lift from my rather > busy relatives on Sunday. (My own car's at home in Spain.) > > Is anyone going to be passing Junction 28 or otherwise passing near > Alfreton, who could make a slight detour and give me a lift to Moira? > > TIA, > > Alan From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 12 10:52:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Sun Jan 12 10:52:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Cant make the meeting Message-ID: <00c601c2ba1b$b4ed9e70$0100a8c0@pc2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C2BA1B.B4E5FD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All I am not feeling very well and will not be able to make the meeting. See = you next month. Andre andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk Tel: +44(0)1543 415 440 Fax: +44(0)1543 415 778 Mobile: +44(0)7799 473 607 ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C2BA1B.B4E5FD50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I am not feeling very well and will not = be able to=20 make the meeting. See you next month.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C2BA1B.B4E5FD50-- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 12 10:59:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Sun Jan 12 10:59:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Sunday LUG Meeting Message-ID: <200301121039.38402.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> See you all at the meeting this afternoon. Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 12 11:13:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Sun Jan 12 11:13:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Sunday LUG Meeting Message-ID: <200301121039.38402.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> See you all at the meeting this afternoon. Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 12 18:55:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Sun Jan 12 18:55:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Sorry, couldn't make it today In-Reply-To: <001c01c2b888$1fd48680$0100a8c0@pc2> References: <200301091709.44517.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <001c01c2b888$1fd48680$0100a8c0@pc2> Message-ID: <3E21B9CB.8030801@ntlworld.com> Have been caught upwith possible move to Wales and a small plethera of dying computers. I hope all went well and when things have settled down I can find out some more. Cheers Tony andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote: >Mike > >Here is a script that searches a file called "drw_pc4.dat" for a string >containing the text "Application exception occurred:.*?exe". Are you >familiar with regular expressions ? The bit that does the work is the line: > >/(Application exception occurred:.*?exe)/so; > >and any successful matches are put in $1. This script merely reports the >number of incidents to the stdout but you could print the actual string to a >log file everytime it found a match. > >If you need any futher help let me know. > >Andre > >script below >***************************************** >#!/usr/bin/perl -w >#use strict; >use IO::Handle; > >$earlier=time; >open WATSONFILE, "< drw_pc4.dat" or die "Cannot open drw_pc4.dat: $!"; > >while () { > /(Application exception occurred:.*?exe)/so;# match multiline dot >includes new line > $count++; > if ($1) { > print "\n matched <<$1>> \n"; > } > >} > $later= time; > $seconds= $later-$earlier; > print "\n parsed $count lines in $seconds seconds \n"; >close WATSONFILE; > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mini Mike" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:09 PM >Subject: [Sderby] PERL again! > > > > >>Hi all, >> >>I'm currently writing a PERL script to analyse log files from Legarto >> >> >backup > > >>server. What I want to do is find the failures, which are idenified by a >>line with "Unsuccessful save sets" then a blankish line, then the fialures >>then another blank line. What I'm thinking of doing if none has a better >>idea is searching for "unsuccessful save sets" finding the line number and >>the adding one and extracting a line at a time for analysis until a blank >>line, what I need to find out how to do is how to find the line number of >> >> >the > > >>line and how to extract lines given their number. >> >>Thanks, >>Mike. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sderby mailing list >>Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >>Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >>wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 12 19:03:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Michael) Date: Sun Jan 12 19:03:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] RE:DVD Message-ID: <002801c2ba6d$3e1bb500$cd8a4c51@m2a1y6> Hello Members, I have just bought A new internal DVD writer can anyone tell me the best software to use with Linux Cheers Michael From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 12 23:32:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Sun Jan 12 23:32:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Sorry, couldn't make it today In-Reply-To: <3E21B9CB.8030801@ntlworld.com> References: <200301091709.44517.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <001c01c2b888$1fd48680$0100a8c0@pc2> <3E21B9CB.8030801@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <200301122207.09000.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> On Sunday 12 January 2003 18:54, Tony Martin wrote: > Have been caught upwith possible move to Wales and a small plethera > of dying computers. > > I hope all went well and when things have settled down I can find out > some more. > > Cheers > > Tony > You missed an excellent demo Tony, probably right down your street too.=20 http://home.freeuk.net/skipperproject is a great piece of software that=20 seems well suited to it's intended use and possible to reconfigure for=20 many more. Designed for use by the physically impaired, just playing=20 with it youself looks like fun. Anyway I'm sure others will have much more to say about this, good look=20 with the ailing boxes. Regards, Dominic. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Jan 13 09:08:59 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Andrew White) Date: Mon Jan 13 09:08:59 2003 Subject: [Sderby] RE:DVD In-Reply-To: <002801c2ba6d$3e1bb500$cd8a4c51@m2a1y6> Message-ID: > Hello Members, > I have just bought A new internal > DVD writer can anyone tell me the best > software to use with Linux > Cheers Michael cdrecord is quite easy to use, and I believe there's a front-end for it; xcdroast, possibly others too. If you're confident compiling stuff (or even if you're not, there're somtimes packages available for it) try searching on freshmeat.net Andy From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Jan 13 10:52:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Mon Jan 13 10:52:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] PERL again! References: <200301091709.44517.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <014301c2baf1$9bebc600$0100a8c0@pc2> Mike Have you had a chance to look at my previous email re PERL. Here is a rather more considered response. You need to find a regular expression that detects the end or your error message and insert it into the code below. Andre PS This code assumes that the legato file and the perl script are in the same directory. #!/usr/bin/perl -w # script name:Legato.pl Extracts multiline error message use strict; use IO::Handle; my $mylegatofile= "Name of backuplog"; #Legato backup file my $myfailfile= "translog.log"; #log for recording backup errors open BACKUPFILE, "< $mylegatofile" or die "Cannot open $mylegatofile: $!"; #open legato file for reading open LOGFILE, ">> myfailfile" or die "Cannot open myfailfile: $!"; #open failiure log for appending print LOGFILE "-"x80,"\n","Now processsing $mylegatofile\n"; my $tempmessage = ""; my $messagestartflag = "false"; #Flag switched to true when start of message is detected my $messagecompleteflag = "false"; #Flag switched to true when end of message is detected while () {#Reads one line of the legato backup at a time if(/^.*(?:Unsuccessful Save Sets)$.*/so){ #Regular Expression detects start of message $tempmessage= $1; #Capture start of error message $messagestartflag = "true"; } if($messagestartflag == "true" && $messagecompleteflag == "false"){ #Still within body of error message $tempmessage .= $_; #Add new line read onto tempmessage } if(/^.*(?:Text which identifies end if message)$.*/so){ #Regular Expression detects end of error message $messagecompleteflag = "true"; #Capture start of error message } if($messagestartflag == "true" && $messagecompleteflag == "false"){ #Still within body of error message print LOGFILE "$tempmessage\n"; $messagestartflag = "false";$messagecompleteflag = "false"; } } close BACKUPFILE;close LOGFILE; ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mini Mike" To: Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: [Sderby] PERL again! > Hi all, > > I'm currently writing a PERL script to analyse log files from Legarto backup > server. What I want to do is find the failures, which are idenified by a > line with "Unsuccessful save sets" then a blankish line, then the fialures > then another blank line. What I'm thinking of doing if none has a better > idea is searching for "unsuccessful save sets" finding the line number and > the adding one and extracting a line at a time for analysis until a blank > line, what I need to find out how to do is how to find the line number of the > line and how to extract lines given their number. > > Thanks, > Mike. > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Jan 13 20:18:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Mon Jan 13 20:18:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] PERL again! In-Reply-To: <014301c2baf1$9bebc600$0100a8c0@pc2> References: <200301091709.44517.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <014301c2baf1$9bebc600$0100a8c0@pc2> Message-ID: <200301131828.50556.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Thanks, Andre. I've had a play with your last script but couldn't get it= to=20 work. I've been a bit busy last week so didn't get a change to do any=20 debuging. Will have a play hopfully this week. Thanks again, Mike. On Monday 13 January 2003 10:50, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote: > Mike > > Have you had a chance to look at my previous email re PERL. Here is a > rather more considered response. You need to find a regular expression = that > detects the end or your error message and insert it into the code below= =2E > > Andre > > PS This code assumes that the legato file and the perl script are in th= e > same directory. > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > # script name:Legato.pl Extracts multiline error message > use strict; > use IO::Handle; > > my $mylegatofile=3D "Name of backuplog"; #Legato backup file > my $myfailfile=3D "translog.log"; #log for recording backup errors > > > open BACKUPFILE, "< $mylegatofile" or die "Cannot open $mylegatofile: > $!"; #open legato file for reading > open LOGFILE, ">> myfailfile" or die "Cannot open myfailfile: $!"; > #open failiure log for appending > print LOGFILE "-"x80,"\n","Now processsing $mylegatofile\n"; > > my $tempmessage =3D ""; > my $messagestartflag =3D "false"; #Flag switched to true when start of > message is detected > my $messagecompleteflag =3D "false"; #Flag switched to true when end of > message is detected > > while () {#Reads one line of the legato backup at a time > if(/^.*(?:Unsuccessful Save Sets)$.*/so){ #Regular Expression detec= ts > start of message > $tempmessage=3D $1; #Capture start of error message > $messagestartflag =3D "true"; > } > if($messagestartflag =3D=3D "true" && $messagecompleteflag =3D=3D "= false"){ > #Still within body of error message > $tempmessage .=3D $_; #Add new line read onto tempmessage > } > if(/^.*(?:Text which identifies end if message)$.*/so){ #Regular > Expression detects end of error message > $messagecompleteflag =3D "true"; #Capture start of error messag= e > } > if($messagestartflag =3D=3D "true" && $messagecompleteflag =3D=3D "= false"){ > #Still within body of error message > print LOGFILE "$tempmessage\n"; > $messagestartflag =3D "false";$messagecompleteflag =3D "false"; > } > > } > > > close BACKUPFILE;close LOGFILE; > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mini Mike" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:09 PM > Subject: [Sderby] PERL again! > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm currently writing a PERL script to analyse log files from Legarto > > backup > > > server. What I want to do is find the failures, which are idenified = by a > > line with "Unsuccessful save sets" then a blankish line, then the > > fialures then another blank line. What I'm thinking of doing if none= has > > a better idea is searching for "unsuccessful save sets" finding the l= ine > > number and the adding one and extracting a line at a time for analysi= s > > until a blank line, what I need to find out how to do is how to find = the > > line number of > > the > > > line and how to extract lines given their number. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sderby mailing list > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 14 09:46:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Tue Jan 14 09:46:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] PERL again! References: <200301091709.44517.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <014301c2baf1$9bebc600$0100a8c0@pc2> <200301131828.50556.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <005101c2bbb1$8e983360$0100a8c0@pc2> Mike Hope you spotted the deliberate (NOT) error in the script: ********************** incorrect code****************************** if($messagestartflag == "true" && $messagecompleteflag == "false"){ #error here #Still within body of error message print LOGFILE "$tempmessage\n"; $messagestartflag = "false";$messagecompleteflag = "false"; } ********************** correct code****************************** if($messagestartflag == "true" && $messagecompleteflag == "true"){ #error fixed here #Still within body of error message print LOGFILE "$tempmessage\n"; $messagestartflag = "false";$messagecompleteflag = "false"; } Andre PS Good Luck with the debugging ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mini Mike" To: Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Sderby] PERL again! > Thanks, Andre. I've had a play with your last script but couldn't get it to > work. I've been a bit busy last week so didn't get a change to do any > debuging. Will have a play hopfully this week. > > Thanks again, > > Mike. > > On Monday 13 January 2003 10:50, andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote: > > Mike > > > > Have you had a chance to look at my previous email re PERL. Here is a > > rather more considered response. You need to find a regular expression that > > detects the end or your error message and insert it into the code below. > > > > Andre > > > > PS This code assumes that the legato file and the perl script are in the > > same directory. > > > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > > # script name:Legato.pl Extracts multiline error message > > use strict; > > use IO::Handle; > > > > my $mylegatofile= "Name of backuplog"; #Legato backup file > > my $myfailfile= "translog.log"; #log for recording backup errors > > > > > > open BACKUPFILE, "< $mylegatofile" or die "Cannot open $mylegatofile: > > $!"; #open legato file for reading > > open LOGFILE, ">> myfailfile" or die "Cannot open myfailfile: $!"; > > #open failiure log for appending > > print LOGFILE "-"x80,"\n","Now processsing $mylegatofile\n"; > > > > my $tempmessage = ""; > > my $messagestartflag = "false"; #Flag switched to true when start of > > message is detected > > my $messagecompleteflag = "false"; #Flag switched to true when end of > > message is detected > > > > while () {#Reads one line of the legato backup at a time > > if(/^.*(?:Unsuccessful Save Sets)$.*/so){ #Regular Expression detects > > start of message > > $tempmessage= $1; #Capture start of error message > > $messagestartflag = "true"; > > } > > if($messagestartflag == "true" && $messagecompleteflag == "false"){ > > #Still within body of error message > > $tempmessage .= $_; #Add new line read onto tempmessage > > } > > if(/^.*(?:Text which identifies end if message)$.*/so){ #Regular > > Expression detects end of error message > > $messagecompleteflag = "true"; #Capture start of error message > > } > > if($messagestartflag == "true" && $messagecompleteflag == "false"){ > > #Still within body of error message > > print LOGFILE "$tempmessage\n"; > > $messagestartflag = "false";$messagecompleteflag = "false"; > > } > > > > } > > > > > > close BACKUPFILE;close LOGFILE; > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mini Mike" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 5:09 PM > > Subject: [Sderby] PERL again! > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I'm currently writing a PERL script to analyse log files from Legarto > > > > backup > > > > > server. What I want to do is find the failures, which are idenified by a > > > line with "Unsuccessful save sets" then a blankish line, then the > > > fialures then another blank line. What I'm thinking of doing if none has > > > a better idea is searching for "unsuccessful save sets" finding the line > > > number and the adding one and extracting a line at a time for analysis > > > until a blank line, what I need to find out how to do is how to find the > > > line number of > > > > the > > > > > line and how to extract lines given their number. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Mike. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sderby mailing list > > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sderby mailing list > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 14 13:25:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ian Simpson) Date: Tue Jan 14 13:25:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Laplink Gold 11 In-Reply-To: <200301122207.09000.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> References: <200301091709.44517.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <001c01c2b888$1fd48680$0100a8c0@pc2> <3E21B9CB.8030801@ntlworld.com> <200301122207.09000.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <200301141325220240.00BD31AB@relay.clara.net> Hi, I have an unopened, unused copy of Laplink Gold 11, USB network cable with driver CD and carrying case given to me as a pressie. I don't have a real need for it so if anyone knows of a good (e.g. charitable) cause that could put it to good use, it's up for grabs :-) Regards, Ian iansimpson@clara.co.uk http://home.clara.net/iansimpson From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 14 20:48:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Alan Blockley) Date: Tue Jan 14 20:48:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] IRC Meeting In-Reply-To: <200301141325220240.00BD31AB@relay.clara.net> Message-ID: <000201c2bc0e$c5dcc860$0200000a@zion> tonight 9PM? -----Original Message----- From: sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Ian Simpson Sent: 14 January 2003 13:25 To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Sderby] Laplink Gold 11 Hi, I have an unopened, unused copy of Laplink Gold 11, USB network cable with driver CD and carrying case given to me as a pressie. I don't have a real need for it so if anyone knows of a good (e.g. charitable) cause that could put it to good use, it's up for grabs :-) Regards, Ian iansimpson@clara.co.uk http://home.clara.net/iansimpson _______________________________________________ Sderby mailing list Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 14 21:46:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Tue Jan 14 21:46:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Email etiquette Message-ID: <200301142148.26875.> When posting new topics to the list, please, please, please start a NEW=20 message. Please do not reply to an exisiting email and change the subjec= t=20 line as the list managemnt software still thinks that this is part of the= =20 existing thread and promptly screws up the archive! Thanks, Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 14 21:49:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Alan Blockley) Date: Tue Jan 14 21:49:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Email etiquette In-Reply-To: <200301142148.26875.> Message-ID: <000301c2bc17$41286030$0200000a@zion> My bad.. soz... i was being last cos I forgot the damned address ;) -----Original Message----- From: sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk]On Behalf Of mike@aurigaonline.co.uk Sent: 14 January 2003 21:49 To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Sderby] Email etiquette When posting new topics to the list, please, please, please start a NEW message. Please do not reply to an exisiting email and change the subject line as the list managemnt software still thinks that this is part of the existing thread and promptly screws up the archive! Thanks, Mike. _______________________________________________ Sderby mailing list Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 14 21:59:08 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Tue Jan 14 21:59:08 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Email etiquette In-Reply-To: <200301142148.26875.> References: <200301142148.26875.> Message-ID: <3E2487F1.6070205@ntlworld.com> Cheers, never knew that. How does it know. Is there hidden parts of the message? Tony mike@aurigaonline.co.uk wrote: >When posting new topics to the list, please, please, please start a NEW >message. Please do not reply to an exisiting email and change the subject >line as the list managemnt software still thinks that this is part of the >existing thread and promptly screws up the archive! > >Thanks, >Mike. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 14 21:59:10 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Jolley) Date: Tue Jan 14 21:59:10 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Email etiquette Message-ID: <20030114215845.GA31967@lucien> * mike@aurigaonline.co.uk (mike@aurigaonline.co.uk) wrote: > When posting new topics to the list, please, please, please start a NEW > message. Please do not reply to an exisiting email and change the subject > line as the list managemnt software still thinks that this is part of the > existing thread and promptly screws up the archive! > So do some people's mail clients! It's a pain when a new message comes in on an old thread I've set to ignore! Cheers, Dave. -- Lord of the Rings (abridged): Some guys take a long holiday to throw a ring in a volcano. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 14 22:05:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Tue Jan 14 22:05:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Laplink Gold 11 In-Reply-To: <200301141325220240.00BD31AB@relay.clara.net> References: <200301091709.44517.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <001c01c2b888$1fd48680$0100a8c0@pc2> <3E21B9CB.8030801@ntlworld.com> <200301122207.09000.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> <200301141325220240.00BD31AB@relay.clara.net> Message-ID: <3E248980.4060306@ntlworld.com> I work at Stanton Vale Special School and have to deal with a variety of kit. A USB mlink might come in very handy if no network card fitted especially with some of the portables. (currently all Windoze machines) If no one else want's it, we would much appreciate it. Many thanks Tony Ian Simpson wrote: >Hi, > >I have an unopened, unused copy of Laplink Gold 11, USB network >cable with driver CD and carrying case given to me as a pressie. > >I don't have a real need for it so if anyone knows of a good >(e.g. charitable) cause that could put it to good use, it's up >for grabs :-) > >Regards, > > Ian > iansimpson@clara.co.uk > > http://home.clara.net/iansimpson > > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 15 00:14:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Wed Jan 15 00:14:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Re: [lugmaster] Inter-LUG Paintball Details In-Reply-To: <20030114124059.92884.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030114124059.92884.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200301150020.36442.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> A few of you have shown an interest in this at the meeting at the=20 weekend, any of our members who are interested let me know. I'm sure we=20 can enter more than one team if needed Dom. On Tuesday 14 January 2003 12:40, Jono Bacon wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for your replies. I have been trying to sort > out some of the specifics, and as such some things are > still in the works. > > It is looking like each LUG will need to provide a > team of 5 players. Each team will play in a series of > playoffs to determine which team is the winner of the > event. > > The location of the paintball site is likely to be in > North Yorkshire (Barnard Castle). The reason for this > is that my brother runs a paintball field, and as such > I can work more closely with him organising it and > hopefully get a decent discount. Note: you will need > to make your own travel arrangements to the site. > > the dates of the event have not been confirmed yet, > but it is likely it will be held on a saturday (and > sunday if there is more interest). > > What I need to know from you guys is the teams that > you are submitting. Could each LUGMaster send me an > email to jono@kde.org with the following details: > > - LUG Name > - The name of the five team members > - Any dates when the team are not available > > LUG's are are welcome to club together to form teams, > so if one lug has two interested people and another > has three, you can form a dual LUGged team. > > Could those LUGmasters who have lugs that are not > getting involved please send me an email saying you > are not interested. I am going to be hopefully > checking each LUG in the UK to ensure they know the > event is taking place and have an opportunity to > attend. > > I will let you all know specifics as I get them, but > the sooner I get emails from interested parties, the > sooner I can begin sorting out dates. > > Cheers, > > Jono > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Jono Bacon - http://jono.dyndns.org/ > KDE Developer - Freelancer - Musician > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > lugmaster mailing list > lugmaster@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 15 00:22:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Wed Jan 15 00:22:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Email etiquette In-Reply-To: <3E2487F1.6070205@ntlworld.com> References: <200301142148.26875.> <3E2487F1.6070205@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <200301150027.59772.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> On Tuesday 14 January 2003 21:58, Tony Martin wrote: > mike@aurigaonline.co.uk wrote: > >When posting new topics to the list, please, please, please start a > > NEW message. Please do not reply to an exisiting email and change > > the subject line as the list managemnt software still thinks that > > this is part of the existing thread and promptly screws up the > > archive! > > > >Thanks, > >Mike. > Cheers, never knew that. How does it know. Is there hidden parts of > the message? > Tony > Lots of hidden bits. As well as setting your ID automatically so you can=20 be traced, it includes threading details for archive purposes, the ID=20 of the mail replied to etc. You can also include headers that will=20 prevent your mail being archived by automated software, have fun with=20 friends etc, look back through some of the headers of my mails over the=20 last months to see where I've been playing around (Eric watchers, no=20 archive). Dom. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 15 19:00:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ian Simpson) Date: Wed Jan 15 19:00:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Laplink Gold 11 In-Reply-To: <3E248980.4060306@ntlworld.com> References: <200301091709.44517.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <001c01c2b888$1fd48680$0100a8c0@pc2> <3E21B9CB.8030801@ntlworld.com> <200301122207.09000.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> <200301141325220240.00BD31AB@relay.clara.net> <3E248980.4060306@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <200301151900590570.011B4A95@relay.clara.net> No other bidders? Sold to the gent in fishnets and heels ;-) Bung me your address Tony and I'll drop the package in the post. p.s - turn off your webcam ;-) On 14/01/2003 at 22:04 you wrote: >I work at Stanton Vale Special School and have to deal with a variety of >kit. A USB mlink might come in very handy if no network card fitted >especially with some of the portables. (currently all Windoze machines) >If no one else want's it, we would much appreciate it. > >Many thanks >Tony > >Ian Simpson wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>I have an unopened, unused copy of Laplink Gold 11, USB network >>cable with driver CD and carrying case given to me as a pressie. >> >>I don't have a real need for it so if anyone knows of a good >>(e.g. charitable) cause that could put it to good use, it's up >>for grabs :-) >> >>Regards, >> >> Ian >> iansimpson@clara.co.uk >> >> http://home.clara.net/iansimpson >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sderby mailing list >>Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >>Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >>wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl Regards, Ian iansimpson@clara.co.uk http://home.clara.net/iansimpson From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 15 22:44:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Alan Blockley) Date: Wed Jan 15 22:44:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Re: [lugmaster] Inter-LUG Paintball Details In-Reply-To: <200301150020.36442.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <000001c2bce7$7b015f70$8205a8c0@mechathon> Hi All The "IRC Massive" of 3 has all decide to go (I think). Myself, Dabe J, and Mikey! (^Polaris^ had her own words to say) [22:38:15] R33t [22:38:16] that's 3 [22:38:20] a sure dom is up fer it [22:38:26] and we can prolly be Mr botrill ? [22:38:28] <^Polaris^> omg yes [22:38:38] How about Pol? [22:38:42] <^Polaris^> drink volvic first, then try [22:38:49] I think that's a no [22:38:51] ;) We need two other peeps or more ;) Alan -----Original Message----- From: sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Dominic Knight Sent: 15 January 2003 00:21 To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Sderby] Re: [lugmaster] Inter-LUG Paintball Details A few of you have shown an interest in this at the meeting at the weekend, any of our members who are interested let me know. I'm sure we can enter more than one team if needed Dom. On Tuesday 14 January 2003 12:40, Jono Bacon wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for your replies. I have been trying to sort > out some of the specifics, and as such some things are > still in the works. > > It is looking like each LUG will need to provide a > team of 5 players. Each team will play in a series of > playoffs to determine which team is the winner of the > event. > > The location of the paintball site is likely to be in > North Yorkshire (Barnard Castle). The reason for this > is that my brother runs a paintball field, and as such > I can work more closely with him organising it and > hopefully get a decent discount. Note: you will need > to make your own travel arrangements to the site. > > the dates of the event have not been confirmed yet, > but it is likely it will be held on a saturday (and > sunday if there is more interest). > > What I need to know from you guys is the teams that > you are submitting. Could each LUGMaster send me an > email to jono@kde.org with the following details: > > - LUG Name > - The name of the five team members > - Any dates when the team are not available > > LUG's are are welcome to club together to form teams, > so if one lug has two interested people and another > has three, you can form a dual LUGged team. > > Could those LUGmasters who have lugs that are not > getting involved please send me an email saying you > are not interested. I am going to be hopefully > checking each LUG in the UK to ensure they know the > event is taking place and have an opportunity to > attend. > > I will let you all know specifics as I get them, but > the sooner I get emails from interested parties, the > sooner I can begin sorting out dates. > > Cheers, > > Jono > > > > > ===== > Jono Bacon - http://jono.dyndns.org/ > KDE Developer - Freelancer - Musician > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > lugmaster mailing list > lugmaster@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster _______________________________________________ Sderby mailing list Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 16 16:58:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Thu Jan 16 16:58:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Re: [lugmaster] Inter-LUG Paintball Details In-Reply-To: <000001c2bce7$7b015f70$8205a8c0@mechathon> References: <000001c2bce7$7b015f70$8205a8c0@mechathon> Message-ID: <3E26E490.3050007@ntlworld.com> Would like to have gone but the pellets are made with gelatine. Certainly have a go of Lazertag sometime if anyone is up for it. Have fun Tony Alan Blockley wrote: >Hi All > >The "IRC Massive" of 3 has all decide to go (I think). > >Myself, Dabe J, and Mikey! (^Polaris^ had her own words to say) > >[22:38:15] R33t >[22:38:16] that's 3 >[22:38:20] a sure dom is up fer it >[22:38:26] and we can prolly be Mr botrill ? >[22:38:28] <^Polaris^> omg yes >[22:38:38] How about Pol? >[22:38:42] <^Polaris^> drink volvic first, then try >[22:38:49] I think that's a no >[22:38:51] ;) > >We need two other peeps or more ;) > >Alan > >-----Original Message----- >From: sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk >[mailto:sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Dominic Knight >Sent: 15 January 2003 00:21 >To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >Subject: [Sderby] Re: [lugmaster] Inter-LUG Paintball Details > > >A few of you have shown an interest in this at the meeting at the >weekend, any of our members who are interested let me know. I'm sure we >can enter more than one team if needed > >Dom. > > >On Tuesday 14 January 2003 12:40, Jono Bacon wrote: > > >>Hi all, >> >>Thanks for your replies. I have been trying to sort >>out some of the specifics, and as such some things are >>still in the works. >> >>It is looking like each LUG will need to provide a >>team of 5 players. Each team will play in a series of >>playoffs to determine which team is the winner of the >>event. >> >>The location of the paintball site is likely to be in >>North Yorkshire (Barnard Castle). The reason for this >>is that my brother runs a paintball field, and as such >>I can work more closely with him organising it and >>hopefully get a decent discount. Note: you will need >>to make your own travel arrangements to the site. >> >>the dates of the event have not been confirmed yet, >>but it is likely it will be held on a saturday (and >>sunday if there is more interest). >> >>What I need to know from you guys is the teams that >>you are submitting. Could each LUGMaster send me an >>email to jono@kde.org with the following details: >> >> - LUG Name >> - The name of the five team members >> - Any dates when the team are not available >> >>LUG's are are welcome to club together to form teams, >>so if one lug has two interested people and another >>has three, you can form a dual LUGged team. >> >>Could those LUGmasters who have lugs that are not >>getting involved please send me an email saying you >>are not interested. I am going to be hopefully >>checking each LUG in the UK to ensure they know the >>event is taking place and have an opportunity to >>attend. >> >>I will let you all know specifics as I get them, but >>the sooner I get emails from interested parties, the >>sooner I can begin sorting out dates. >> >>Cheers, >> >> Jono >> >> >> >> >>===== >>Jono Bacon - http://jono.dyndns.org/ >>KDE Developer - Freelancer - Musician >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >>http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>lugmaster mailing list >>lugmaster@mailman.lug.org.uk >>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 16 18:50:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Thu Jan 16 18:50:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Re: [lugmaster] Inter-LUG Paintball Details In-Reply-To: <200301150020.36442.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> References: <20030114124059.92884.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> <200301150020.36442.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <20030116184813.3df1a1bb.aheath@clikmail.net> Put me down (provisionally for now), depends on dates. Ash On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 00:20:36 +0000 Dominic Knight wrote: > A few of you have shown an interest in this at the meeting at the > weekend, any of our members who are interested let me know. I'm sure we > can enter more than one team if needed > > Dom. > > > On Tuesday 14 January 2003 12:40, Jono Bacon wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Thanks for your replies. I have been trying to sort > > out some of the specifics, and as such some things are > > still in the works. > > > > It is looking like each LUG will need to provide a > > team of 5 players. Each team will play in a series of > > playoffs to determine which team is the winner of the > > event. > > > > The location of the paintball site is likely to be in > > North Yorkshire (Barnard Castle). The reason for this > > is that my brother runs a paintball field, and as such > > I can work more closely with him organising it and > > hopefully get a decent discount. Note: you will need > > to make your own travel arrangements to the site. > > > > the dates of the event have not been confirmed yet, > > but it is likely it will be held on a saturday (and > > sunday if there is more interest). > > > > What I need to know from you guys is the teams that > > you are submitting. Could each LUGMaster send me an > > email to jono@kde.org with the following details: > > > > - LUG Name > > - The name of the five team members > > - Any dates when the team are not available > > > > LUG's are are welcome to club together to form teams, > > so if one lug has two interested people and another > > has three, you can form a dual LUGged team. > > > > Could those LUGmasters who have lugs that are not > > getting involved please send me an email saying you > > are not interested. I am going to be hopefully > > checking each LUG in the UK to ensure they know the > > event is taking place and have an opportunity to > > attend. > > > > I will let you all know specifics as I get them, but > > the sooner I get emails from interested parties, the > > sooner I can begin sorting out dates. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Jono > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Jono Bacon - http://jono.dyndns.org/ > > KDE Developer - Freelancer - Musician > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lugmaster mailing list > > lugmaster@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 16 21:27:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Thu Jan 16 21:27:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Mandrake Linux files for bankruptcy Message-ID: <20030116212448.2e59bf9a.aheath@clikmail.net> http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t289-s2128827,00.html From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 17 07:19:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ian Simpson) Date: Fri Jan 17 07:19:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Windows on Linux? Message-ID: <200301170719320250.001822DD@relay.clara.net> Something to ponder... http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20030116.html Regards, Ian iansimpson@clara.co.uk http://home.clara.net/iansimpson From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 17 07:19:03 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ian Simpson) Date: Fri Jan 17 07:19:03 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Video card Message-ID: <200301170719320960.001825A8@relay.clara.net> Hi, I currently have a SiS 6326 video card with a whole 8MB RAM which I'm thinking about upgrading. Any recommendations for a good linux-friendly alternative that's compatible with a Philips 150S 15" LCD monitor? Regards, Ian iansimpson@clara.co.uk http://home.clara.net/iansimpson From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 17 11:50:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Fri Jan 17 11:50:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Mandrake Linux files for bankruptcy In-Reply-To: <20030116212448.2e59bf9a.aheath@clikmail.net> References: <20030116212448.2e59bf9a.aheath@clikmail.net> Message-ID: <200301171157.18297.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> On Thursday 16 January 2003 21:24, Ashley Heath wrote: > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t289-s2128827,00.html > Looks like they are short of 4 million euros (=A32.8M) if anyone has=20 deep pockets. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3 Dom From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 17 13:59:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Wong, Peter) Date: Fri Jan 17 13:59:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] SuSE Vulnerability Message-ID: <2BB3E9E4D24AD511BA700800062B3544064B4324@beex51.siemenscomms.co.uk> Please pass on if you think necessary. http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-security-announce/2003-Jan/0003.html Regards Pete Wong From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 17 14:50:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Fri Jan 17 14:50:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Video card References: <200301170719320960.001825A8@relay.clara.net> Message-ID: <002d01c2be0a$45832c10$0100a8c0@pc2> Ian I would do it the other way around i.e check the spec of the monitor and see if it is supported by Linux. I assume you will be using XFree86 Version 4. The XFree website has a card list of supported video cards See http://xfree86.org/cardlist.html. Most reasonably modern monitors support the VESA standard which will allow a generic driver to support the card. Hope that helps. Andre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Simpson" To: Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 7:19 AM Subject: [Sderby] Video card > Hi, > > I currently have a SiS 6326 video card with a whole 8MB RAM > which I'm thinking about upgrading. > > Any recommendations for a good linux-friendly alternative that's > compatible with a Philips 150S 15" LCD monitor? > > Regards, > > Ian > iansimpson@clara.co.uk > > http://home.clara.net/iansimpson > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 17 14:50:03 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Fri Jan 17 14:50:03 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Mandrake Linux files for bankruptcy References: <20030116212448.2e59bf9a.aheath@clikmail.net> Message-ID: <004601c2be0c$09eb0f40$0100a8c0@pc2> I think the headline is misleading. The article says that Mandrake has applied for bankruptcy protection i.e. so single creditor can put the company out of business by freezing its bank accounts or grabbing its assets. In the meantime the business continues to operate while they revise their plans to get the business on a stable ongoing basis. In the USA this is called Chapter 11. After Septermber 11 lot of airlines went into Chapter 11 or threatened to. This forced their creditors to give them some breathing space. All the big ones are still flying. Andre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Heath" To: Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: [Sderby] Mandrake Linux files for bankruptcy > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t289-s2128827,00.html > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 17 18:06:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Fri Jan 17 18:06:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Pub Message-ID: <200301171809.36562.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> See you all there tonight. Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 17 19:20:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Fri Jan 17 19:20:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Video card In-Reply-To: <002d01c2be0a$45832c10$0100a8c0@pc2> References: <200301170719320960.001825A8@relay.clara.net> <002d01c2be0a$45832c10$0100a8c0@pc2> Message-ID: <3E28574F.7090305@ntlworld.com> I think I have had to use VESA for every monitor I have ever installed and it has usually been OK Tony andre.hefer@avhservices.co.uk wrote: >Ian > >I would do it the other way around i.e check the spec of the monitor and see >if it is supported by Linux. I assume you will be using XFree86 Version 4. >The XFree website has a card list of supported video cards See >http://xfree86.org/cardlist.html. Most reasonably modern monitors support >the VESA standard which will allow a generic driver to support the card. > >Hope that helps. > >Andre >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ian Simpson" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 7:19 AM >Subject: [Sderby] Video card > > > > >>Hi, >> >>I currently have a SiS 6326 video card with a whole 8MB RAM >>which I'm thinking about upgrading. >> >>Any recommendations for a good linux-friendly alternative that's >>compatible with a Philips 150S 15" LCD monitor? >> >>Regards, >> >> Ian >> iansimpson@clara.co.uk >> >> http://home.clara.net/iansimpson >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sderby mailing list >>Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >>Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >>wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl >> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 17 19:24:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Fri Jan 17 19:24:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Mandrake Linux files for bankruptcy In-Reply-To: <200301171157.18297.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> References: <20030116212448.2e59bf9a.aheath@clikmail.net> <200301171157.18297.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <3E285825.8080108@ntlworld.com> I will check down the back of my sofa 8) Seriously, I couldn't afford to join their club, but I did email them saying I would make a donation if they would send me the link to that page, but they never got back to me! Not surprising they have problems if they can't even be bothered to reply! Tony Dominic Knight wrote: >On Thursday 16 January 2003 21:24, Ashley Heath wrote: > > >>http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t289-s2128827,00.html >> >> >> > >Looks like they are short of 4 million euros (£2.8M) if anyone has >deep pockets. > >http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/future.php3 > >Dom > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 18 12:33:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Russ) Date: Sat Jan 18 12:33:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] one on one help Message-ID: <000801c2be86$e9b232a0$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2BE86.E94BCFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i found your site from the listings at ssc.com:8080/glue/groups wich i = found in the linux for dunnies book.=20 im trying to use linux for everyday use and im getting it around my neck = and im finding it hard to understand what i should be doing and were, in = what.=20 im trying to install graphic card drivers and im lost in all the how = to`s and installation guides and forums. not knowing anyone how users linux, so im asking if it would be at all = possible for anyone local to help me out (if you dont ask you dont get.) thanks for your time, Russ ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2BE86.E94BCFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2BE86.E94BCFB0-- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 18 20:16:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Sat Jan 18 20:16:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Suse 8.1 problems Message-ID: <3E29B5EB.4090108@ntlworld.com> Have tried 8.1 and it crashes on second cd. Went back to 8.0 and it installed OK. So much for progress. One thing though, I get the impression that if 8.1 worked then it would be a lot faster. Tony From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 18 21:13:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill) Date: Sat Jan 18 21:13:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Suse 8.1 problems In-Reply-To: <3E29B5EB.4090108@ntlworld.com> References: <3E29B5EB.4090108@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1042924329.1757.2.camel@athlon.local> On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 20:15, Tony Martin wrote: > Have tried 8.1 and it crashes on second cd. Went back to 8.0 and it > installed OK. So much for progress. One thing though, I get the > impression that if 8.1 worked then it would be a lot faster. > > Tony Maybe disc2 is faulty -- David Bottrill From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 18 21:15:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Sat Jan 18 21:15:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Suse 8.1 problems In-Reply-To: <1042924329.1757.2.camel@athlon.local> References: <3E29B5EB.4090108@ntlworld.com> <1042924329.1757.2.camel@athlon.local> Message-ID: <3E29C3B4.3060101@ntlworld.com> Possible, but have heard other reports of 8.1 being a bit buggy. Any other people have experience? Ta Tony David Bottrill wrote: >On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 20:15, Tony Martin wrote: > > >>Have tried 8.1 and it crashes on second cd. Went back to 8.0 and it >>installed OK. So much for progress. One thing though, I get the >>impression that if 8.1 worked then it would be a lot faster. >> >>Tony >> >> > >Maybe disc2 is faulty > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 18 21:51:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill) Date: Sat Jan 18 21:51:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Suse 8.1 problems In-Reply-To: <3E29C3B4.3060101@ntlworld.com> References: <3E29B5EB.4090108@ntlworld.com> <1042924329.1757.2.camel@athlon.local> <3E29C3B4.3060101@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1042926615.1749.18.camel@athlon.local> On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 21:14, Tony Martin wrote: > Possible, but have heard other reports of 8.1 being a bit buggy. > Any other people have experience? > Ta Tony > I've been running it on a number of machines since it was released in October. The biggest problem I have had is with correctly configuring CD-RW drives, there is a bug in the setup program that configures IDE-SCSI emulation incorrectly. SuSE have a fix for this on their support database, also I think there is a similar document with a list of known problems are suitable fixes. There is a cosmetic problem with the Java plugin not working with Mozilla, this being due the fact the the plugin was compiled with and older version of GCC, there are many fixes to this, searching the SuSE mailing list will reveal many different options, I just downloaded Mozilla from www.mozilla.org which was statically compiled with a version of GCC that is compatiable with the Java plugin on SusE 8.1. 8.1 is certainly faster than 8.0 and works very reliably on my PCs the look on feel of KDE is superb. I installed 8.1 on an old Compaq P75 based server yesterday this was a bit of a challenge due to the old nature of the hardware and the fact that the boot CD didn't have a driver for the on-board SCSI controller so it would not see the CD drive and hence would fail. With a bit of massaging and the use of boot floppies it installed well I have installed apache and it's web serving performance is blindingly fast, not bad for a P75. -- David Bottrill From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 18 22:18:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Sat Jan 18 22:18:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Suse 8.1 problems In-Reply-To: <1042926615.1749.18.camel@athlon.local> References: <3E29B5EB.4090108@ntlworld.com> <1042924329.1757.2.camel@athlon.local> <3E29C3B4.3060101@ntlworld.com> <1042926615.1749.18.camel@athlon.local> Message-ID: <3E29D272.80307@ntlworld.com> Sounds good. A p75 huh, any chance of another disk 2? Am happy to pay postage etc. Looks like I might give it a second chance. Many thanks Tony David Bottrill wrote: >On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 21:14, Tony Martin wrote: > > >>Possible, but have heard other reports of 8.1 being a bit buggy. >>Any other people have experience? >>Ta Tony >> >> >> >I've been running it on a number of machines since it was released in >October. The biggest problem I have had is with correctly configuring >CD-RW drives, there is a bug in the setup program that configures >IDE-SCSI emulation incorrectly. SuSE have a fix for this on their >support database, also I think there is a similar document with a list >of known problems are suitable fixes. > >There is a cosmetic problem with the Java plugin not working with >Mozilla, this being due the fact the the plugin was compiled with and >older version of GCC, there are many fixes to this, searching the SuSE >mailing list will reveal many different options, I just downloaded >Mozilla from www.mozilla.org which was statically compiled with a >version of GCC that is compatiable with the Java plugin on SusE 8.1. > >8.1 is certainly faster than 8.0 and works very reliably on my PCs the >look on feel of KDE is superb. > >I installed 8.1 on an old Compaq P75 based server yesterday this was a >bit of a challenge due to the old nature of the hardware and the fact >that the boot CD didn't have a driver for the on-board SCSI controller >so it would not see the CD drive and hence would fail. > >With a bit of massaging and the use of boot floppies it installed well I >have installed apache and it's web serving performance is blindingly >fast, not bad for a P75. > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 18 22:28:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill) Date: Sat Jan 18 22:28:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Suse 8.1 problems In-Reply-To: <3E29D272.80307@ntlworld.com> References: <3E29B5EB.4090108@ntlworld.com> <1042924329.1757.2.camel@athlon.local> <3E29C3B4.3060101@ntlworld.com> <1042926615.1749.18.camel@athlon.local> <3E29D272.80307@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1042928863.1749.20.camel@athlon.local> On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 22:17, Tony Martin wrote: > Sounds good. A p75 huh, any chance of another disk 2? Am happy to pay > postage etc. > Looks like I might give it a second chance. > Many thanks > Tony > Send me your snail mail off the list and I will burn you a disk 2. -- David Bottrill From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 19 11:24:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Russ) Date: Sun Jan 19 11:24:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Suse 8.1 problems References: <3E29B5EB.4090108@ntlworld.com> <1042924329.1757.2.camel@athlon.local> <3E29C3B4.3060101@ntlworld.com> <1042926615.1749.18.camel@athlon.local> <3E29D272.80307@ntlworld.com> <1042928863.1749.20.camel@athlon.local> Message-ID: <001701c2bfad$206a9ae0$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> David this email has come to the wrong address please redirect. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bottrill" To: "sderby" Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [Sderby] Suse 8.1 problems > On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 22:17, Tony Martin wrote: > > Sounds good. A p75 huh, any chance of another disk 2? Am happy to pay > > postage etc. > > Looks like I might give it a second chance. > > Many thanks > > Tony > > > Send me your snail mail off the list and I will burn you a disk 2. > -- > David Bottrill > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 19 11:24:05 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Russ) Date: Sun Jan 19 11:24:05 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Suse 8.1 problems References: <3E29B5EB.4090108@ntlworld.com> <1042924329.1757.2.camel@athlon.local> <3E29C3B4.3060101@ntlworld.com> <1042926615.1749.18.camel@athlon.local> <3E29D272.80307@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <001d01c2bfad$3e0d1f50$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> Tony this email has come to the wrong address please redirect. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Martin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Sderby] Suse 8.1 problems > Sounds good. A p75 huh, any chance of another disk 2? Am happy to pay > postage etc. > Looks like I might give it a second chance. > Many thanks > Tony > > David Bottrill wrote: > > >On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 21:14, Tony Martin wrote: > > > > > >>Possible, but have heard other reports of 8.1 being a bit buggy. > >>Any other people have experience? > >>Ta Tony > >> > >> > >> > >I've been running it on a number of machines since it was released in > >October. The biggest problem I have had is with correctly configuring > >CD-RW drives, there is a bug in the setup program that configures > >IDE-SCSI emulation incorrectly. SuSE have a fix for this on their > >support database, also I think there is a similar document with a list > >of known problems are suitable fixes. > > > >There is a cosmetic problem with the Java plugin not working with > >Mozilla, this being due the fact the the plugin was compiled with and > >older version of GCC, there are many fixes to this, searching the SuSE > >mailing list will reveal many different options, I just downloaded > >Mozilla from www.mozilla.org which was statically compiled with a > >version of GCC that is compatiable with the Java plugin on SusE 8.1. > > > >8.1 is certainly faster than 8.0 and works very reliably on my PCs the > >look on feel of KDE is superb. > > > >I installed 8.1 on an old Compaq P75 based server yesterday this was a > >bit of a challenge due to the old nature of the hardware and the fact > >that the boot CD didn't have a driver for the on-board SCSI controller > >so it would not see the CD drive and hence would fail. > > > >With a bit of massaging and the use of boot floppies it installed well I > >have installed apache and it's web serving performance is blindingly > >fast, not bad for a P75. > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 19 23:11:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Sun Jan 19 23:11:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] MMC card Message-ID: <200301192314.14192.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Does anyone have a Multimedia flash memory card (MMC)? I need images of = a=20 card preferably <64Mb for some filesystem testing. Please let me know if= you=20 have one and we can discuss the details. Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Jan 20 14:07:04 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Russ) Date: Mon Jan 20 14:07:04 2003 Subject: [Sderby] MMC card. IM GETTING MAIL FOR SDERBY MAILBAG References: <200301192314.14192.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <000b01c2c08d$30a13c30$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> I GETTING MAIL THAT SHOULD BE GOING TO SDERBY@MAILBAG.LUG.ORG.UK AND NOT TO ME, IM NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mini Mike" To: Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:14 PM Subject: [Sderby] MMC card Does anyone have a Multimedia flash memory card (MMC)? I need images of a card preferably <64Mb for some filesystem testing. Please let me know if you have one and we can discuss the details. Mike. _______________________________________________ Sderby mailing list Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Jan 20 14:29:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Mon Jan 20 14:29:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] MMC card. IM GETTING MAIL FOR SDERBY MAILBAG In-Reply-To: <000b01c2c08d$30a13c30$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> References: <200301192314.14192.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <000b01c2c08d$30a13c30$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> Message-ID: <200301201436.27503.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> On Monday 20 January 2003 14:06, Russ wrote: > I GETTING MAIL THAT SHOULD BE GOING TO SDERBY@MAILBAG.LUG.ORG.UK > AND NOT TO ME, IM NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. > Sorry all, this is my fault I signed Russ up to the list when he sent=20 a question there as a non-member then I went off-line for the=20 weekend and never told him. Dom From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Jan 20 14:33:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Mon Jan 20 14:33:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Fwd: FW: [snips-users] AW: =?iso-8859-1?q?=C6snips-users=C5=20error=20in=20log=20or=20where=20is=20a=20?= maintainer? Message-ID: <200301201440.24113.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Old address Alan,=20 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: FW: [snips-users] AW: =C6snips-users=C5 error in log or where is= =20 a maintainer? Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:36:08 -0000 From: Alan Blockley To: "'sderby@lug.org.uk'" Hi All A little dilema on the open source network.... Anyone know anyone who fancy's a chanllenge? Regards, Alan Blockley APT Solutions Ltd. Tel: (01952) 214000 Email: alanb@aptsol.com Web: http://www.aptsol.com -----Original Message----- From: "R=F6h,Martin TSDE Gl=FCckstadt" [mailto:Martin.Roeh@tsde.berendsen.com] Sent: 20 January 2003 10:27 To: Dmitry Sazonov; Allan P. Magmanlac Cc: snips-users@navya.com Subject: [snips-users] AW: =C6snips-users=C5 error in log or where is a maintainer? Hi Dmitry, I have just asked Vikas about the problem of a maintainer and got the following answer: martin- the development of SNIPS is very slow or almost stopped. I dont usually have time to work on it since I am working full time on a commercial product (Fidelia NetVigil). A number of large SNIPS users have converted to Fidelia. If you have several hundred devices, you might want to consider Fidelia. Starting price is in $30k range. Current beta SNIPS is pretty stable and most people have been running it successfully. -vikas Do you know someone able to be the maintainer ? Regards Martin > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Dmitry Sazonov [mailto:dsazonov@aamc.org] > Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Januar 2003 22:01 > An: Allan P. Magmanlac > Cc: snips-users@navya.com > Betreff: Re: =C6snips-users=C5 error in log or where is a maintainer? > > > this is very old problem. It seems to me that SNIPS doesn't have a > maintainer anymore (last 2 years). > IMHO the project should be moved to sourceforge and a new > maintainer should be found. > otherwise it will slowly die (it may be dead already?). > > PS: we are moving off of SNIPS because it's not maintained > anymore. > > Allan P. Magmanlac wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Has anyone of you seen kind of log before this before. any > > ideas? > > > > Fri Jan 10 10:42:38 2003 []: DEVICE VAR 41 50 LEVEL > > Error LOGLEVEL > > > Critical > > STATE down > > > > I'm trying to find out what could have caused this. > > > > thanks > > -- > Dmitry Sazonov x4168 > UNIX sysadmin, AAMC ------------------------------------------------------- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Jan 20 14:34:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Jolley) Date: Mon Jan 20 14:34:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] MMC card. IM GETTING MAIL FOR SDERBY MAILBAG In-Reply-To: <000b01c2c08d$30a13c30$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> References: <200301192314.14192.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <000b01c2c08d$30a13c30$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> Message-ID: <20030120142036.GF2330@lucien> * Russ (russhallam@ntlworld.com) wrote: > I GETTING MAIL THAT SHOULD BE GOING TO SDERBY@MAILBAG.LUG.ORG.UK AND NOT TO > ME, IM NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. > I've emailed russ privately with instructions to unsubscribe, if he wants to. Would it be possible (sensible?) to add the unsubscribe instructions to the message footer? Cheers, Dave. -- Lord of the Rings (abridged): Some guys take a long holiday to throw a ring in a volcano. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 21 00:27:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Tue Jan 21 00:27:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Radio ameture's Demo Message-ID: <200301202043.08614.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> We (read Mike) will be showing the local radio group how to do things=20 the Linux way, they will also be showing us what they do (and where=20 computers come in to it). Anyone who is interested should come along=20 to our usual meeting place=20 Wednesday 22nd Jan 2003 at 7PM Moira Replan buildings. Dom.=20 From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 21 08:14:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Tue Jan 21 08:14:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Radio ameture's Demo In-Reply-To: <200301202043.08614.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> References: <200301202043.08614.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <3E2D010E.2030603@ntlworld.com> ? Has anyone told the local radio stations or any relevant mailing lists? Just a thought. Have fun Tony Dominic Knight wrote: >We (read Mike) will be showing the local radio group how to do things >the Linux way, they will also be showing us what they do (and where >computers come in to it). Anyone who is interested should come along >to our usual meeting place >Wednesday 22nd Jan 2003 at 7PM >Moira Replan buildings. > >Dom. > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 21 08:44:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Tue Jan 21 08:44:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Radio ameture's Demo In-Reply-To: <3E2D010E.2030603@ntlworld.com> References: <200301202043.08614.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> <3E2D010E.2030603@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <200301210851.21700.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Not that sort of thing Tony, they meet there every week and thought=20 it might be good if we could trade ideas.=20 Dom On Tuesday 21 January 2003 08:13, Tony Martin wrote: > ? Has anyone told the local radio stations or any relevant mailing > lists? > > Just a thought. > > Have fun > Tony > > Dominic Knight wrote: > >We (read Mike) will be showing the local radio group how to do > > things the Linux way, they will also be showing us what they do > > (and where computers come in to it). Anyone who is interested > > should come along to our usual meeting place > >Wednesday 22nd Jan 2003 at 7PM > >Moira Replan buildings. > > > >Dom. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sderby mailing list > >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 21 17:55:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Tue Jan 21 17:55:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Radio ameture's Demo In-Reply-To: <200301210851.21700.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> References: <200301202043.08614.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> <3E2D010E.2030603@ntlworld.com> <200301210851.21700.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Message-ID: <3E2D895A.2080804@ntlworld.com> Ah, still nice one though, anything that spreads the message. Tony Dominic Knight wrote: >Not that sort of thing Tony, they meet there every week and thought >it might be good if we could trade ideas. > >Dom > > > >On Tuesday 21 January 2003 08:13, Tony Martin wrote: > > >>? Has anyone told the local radio stations or any relevant mailing >>lists? >> >>Just a thought. >> >>Have fun >>Tony >> >>Dominic Knight wrote: >> >> >>>We (read Mike) will be showing the local radio group how to do >>>things the Linux way, they will also be showing us what they do >>>(and where computers come in to it). Anyone who is interested >>>should come along to our usual meeting place >>>Wednesday 22nd Jan 2003 at 7PM >>>Moira Replan buildings. >>> >>>Dom. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sderby mailing list >>>Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >>>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >>>Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >>>wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sderby mailing list >>Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >>Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >>wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 21 22:15:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Tue Jan 21 22:15:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Free Kevin Message-ID: <3E2BC92500003B28@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Kevin Mitnick is free! Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 22 11:04:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Russ) Date: Wed Jan 22 11:04:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] having problem with nvidia Message-ID: <002001c2c1b2$a695a680$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2C1B2.A676ACD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can you help me, im trying to install nvidia drivers on mandrake 9 and = im getting lost in the how to`s, guides, and forums and i cant get my = head around any of it.=20 i tried this, Assuming you are using the open source (non 3D) drivers that most distributions install as standard, then installing the new drivers should take over the existing setting for the new drivers. To install the drivers open a terminal as root type su and enter the root password when prompted if you are not logged in as root. To install the packages use the following commands: rpm -Uvh NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4191.mdk90up.i586.rpm rpm - e NVIDIA_GLX This may report and error that it is not installed in which case ignore it. Finally: rpm -ivh NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4191.i386.rpm Reboot your PC and hopefully all will be well. and got this, install went ok, i only got problems when i reboot the system and got = message say- cannot sytart Xserver, its likely not set up correctly. also-=20 log file /var/log/xfree86.0.log using config file /etc/x11 or ll (not sure)/xf86conf ig4 [GLX] initializing GLX extension also- fatal server error: caught signal ll. server aborting. now when i boot up i get what looks like a DOS screen asking for = password, think ive broke it... thanks Russ ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2C1B2.A676ACD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 can you help me, im trying to = install nvidia=20 drivers on mandrake 9 and im getting lost in the how to`s, guides, = and=20 forums and i cant get my head around any of it.
 
i tried this,
Assuming you are using the open source (non 3D) drivers that=20 most
distributions install as standard, then installing the new=20 drivers
should take over the existing setting for the new = drivers.

To=20 install the drivers open a terminal as root type su and enter = the
root=20 password when prompted if you are not logged in as root.

To = install the=20 packages use the following commands:

rpm -Uvh=20 NVIDIA_kernel-1.0-4191.mdk90up.i586.rpm
rpm - e NVIDIA_GLX
This = may report=20 and error that it is not installed in which case=20 ignore
it.
Finally:
rpm -ivh = NVIDIA_GLX-1.0-4191.i386.rpm

Reboot=20 your PC and hopefully all will be well.
and got this,
 install went ok, i only got = problems when i=20 reboot the system and got message say- cannot sytart Xserver, its likely = not set=20 up correctly.
 
also-
log file = /var/log/xfree86.0.log
using config file /etc/x11 or ll (not=20 sure)/xf86conf ig4
[GLX] initializing GLX = extension
 
also-
fatal server error: caught signal ll. = server=20 aborting.
 
now when i boot up i get what looks = like a DOS=20 screen asking for password, think ive broke it...
 
          &nbs= p;            = ;  =20 thanks Russ
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2C1B2.A676ACD0-- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 22 11:05:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Wed Jan 22 11:05:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Free Kevin In-Reply-To: <3E2BC92500003B28@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <3E2BC92500003B28@mk-cpfrontend-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <200301221112.36381.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> On Tuesday 21 January 2003 22:12, hemstock@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > Kevin Mitnick is free! > With eight tokens from kellogs boxes? Dom > Mike. > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 22 16:34:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Wed Jan 22 16:34:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Getting into the IT sector Message-ID: <1043253236.3e2ec7f44570c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> does anyone here have any advice for me about getting a job in IT? i've got a degree in cybernetics, which is basically useless because noone has heard of it. it covered a wide range of things, but mainly concentrated on control systems and web based programming. i have knowledge of linux, web programming in php and java, databases, all versions of windows(dont hate me, i cant help it), TCP/IP networks and general PC hardware, though none of it is paid experience, so it doesn't count when i'm applying for jobs. i need to get some experience before i can get a job, but i need a job to get experience. oh well, lifes a bitch. TIA for your time and help Ian Spratt Office Dogsbody Sure Start - Rosehill ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 22 18:34:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Clive Jones) Date: Wed Jan 22 18:34:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Getting into the IT sector In-Reply-To: <1043253236.3e2ec7f44570c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> References: <1043253236.3e2ec7f44570c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <200301221833.49526.clive@tux-it.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 4:33 pm, slh@f2s.com wrote: > does anyone here have any advice for me about getting a job in IT? Choose a different time to start looking would be the best advice. 3 years ago or in 18 months time would be good. If I was you I would pack my bags and head off for somewhere hot and sunny. Bali is cheap at the moment, and a good place to stop on the way to Australia. Oz still has a good IT market as they have not just introduced ir35 and forced all work to be outsourced overseas. A short work permit should not be a problem either. Here you would probably be best trying to get in on one of the graduate recruitment programs, but http://www.jobserve.com/ might have something specialised come up - cybernetics might be a good grounding for rt control systems and simulators. Jobserve also has jobs in oz :-) C. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+LuQK+prcXMebSWQRAjwSAJ9ZmkkJgJn5NY/FOVNCdbreY78pCgCfTyIj ys8FDXSTLADLsP4MAoLWPis= =tH1w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 22 20:49:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Wed Jan 22 20:49:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Getting into the IT sector References: <1043253236.3e2ec7f44570c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <05a201c2c24a$46fd0270$0100a8c0@pc2> First presenting yourself a bit better would be a good start. The English below is very poor and not using capitals is unacceptable. Second consider how your skills may be relevant to an employer and present them in a way that the employer will consider useful. Andre ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:33 PM Subject: [Sderby] Getting into the IT sector > does anyone here have any advice for me about getting a job in IT? > > i've got a degree in cybernetics, which is basically useless because noone has > heard of it. it covered a wide range of things, but mainly concentrated on > control systems and web based programming. > > i have knowledge of linux, web programming in php and java, databases, all > versions of windows(dont hate me, i cant help it), TCP/IP networks and general > PC hardware, though none of it is paid experience, so it doesn't count when i'm > applying for jobs. > > i need to get some experience before i can get a job, but i need a job to get > experience. oh well, lifes a bitch. > > > TIA for your time and help > > Ian Spratt > Office Dogsbody > Sure Start - Rosehill > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 22 23:52:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Russ) Date: Wed Jan 22 23:52:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] still having problems Message-ID: <001801c2c234$97311760$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2C234.970FD3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i tried this, Oh dear, looks like your box may not have been running the open source NVIDIA driver. There is probably a Mandrake specific X server configuration program that you can invoke from the command line (DOS prompt. A standard program is available it is called xf86config, but it is rather unfriendly to say the least.=20 What we can do is have a look and see if you have a backup configuration file. Login as root type in: cd /etc/X11 type: ls the main configuration file is called XF86Config look for any files called something like XF86Config.save or something like that, maybe XF86Config.bak. firstly let's rename the original file: mv XF86Config XF86Config.bad this will rename the file to XF86Config.bad. Now lets copy the backup file, assuming it is called .bak we can use the command: cp XF86Config.bak XF86Config This will restore the saved copy. You can try and start X-windows with the command: startx and got this, i found these XF86config, XF86config-4, XF86config-4.old, XF86config.old i tried to rename the XF86config to.old and got this, mv: cannot stat. `XF86config`, no such file. so i tried it in /xdm can = it didnt like that also i tried to rename some of the other XFconfig = file listed above to .old with no go. and that were im at now.=20 Russ ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2C234.970FD3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i tried this,
Oh dear, looks like your box may not have been running the open=20 source
NVIDIA driver.

There is probably a Mandrake specific X = server=20 configuration program
that you can invoke from the command line (DOS = prompt.=20 A standard
program is available it is called xf86config, but it is=20 rather
unfriendly to say the least.

What we can do is have a = look and=20 see if you have a backup configuration
file.

Login as = root
type=20 in:

cd /etc/X11

type:
ls
the main configuration file = is=20 called XF86Config
look for any files called something like = XF86Config.save or=20 something
like that, maybe XF86Config.bak.
firstly let's rename = the=20 original file:
mv XF86Config XF86Config.bad
this will rename the = file to=20 XF86Config.bad.

Now lets copy the backup file, assuming it is = called .bak=20 we can use the
command:

cp XF86Config.bak = XF86Config

This will=20 restore the saved copy.

You can try and start X-windows with the=20 command:

startx

and got this,
i found these XF86config, XF86config-4, = XF86config-4.old, XF86config.old
i tried to rename the XF86config to.old = and got=20 this,
mv: cannot stat. `XF86config`, no such = file. so i=20 tried it in /xdm can it didnt like that also i tried to rename some of = the other=20 XFconfig file listed above to .old with no go.
and that were im at now.
 
          &nbs= p; =20 Russ
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C2C234.970FD3C0-- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 23 00:31:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Thu Jan 23 00:31:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] New install of SUSE 8.1 Message-ID: <3E2F37A9.7010102@ntlworld.com> Discovered I had a dodgy RAM stick so decided to re-install 8.1. Still same problems when I choose my packages so decided to let it choose packages and hey presto it's working. I find the display rather hard to see even having tried 1024 and 800 (I have a large monitor) and it still ain't right! Oh well I tried running Digiguide and WINE started up. After it copied the Windows files and I managed to install Digiguide. It crashed after an update, ran again and it crashed after update. Ran it again and it worked. Total time 3 minutes from clicking on the exe. Things are improving. I now use Open Office and Mozilla under Windows where possible. They are very good (although they still have the odd problem). Caution though, open offic is slow to start and if you use the quick start option it will eat 20mb of RAM straight away without anything open! Have fun Tony From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 23 00:39:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Thu Jan 23 00:39:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Windows, some tests about how easily it falls over, and a newish Linux Message-ID: <3E2F397D.10906@ntlworld.com> January's "Computer Shopper" mag has a good article about how they loaded different Windows version with cover disk software and how long it took them to die. It seems 1.5 to 4gb of programs is enough to kill any version of Windows according to these tests. Also they give good reviews in a seperate article on Xandros Linux (Page 318), anyone have experience with this? Tony From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 23 08:53:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Thu Jan 23 08:53:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Junk mail, lets get our own back 8) Message-ID: <3E2FAD63.10705@ntlworld.com> I keep getting junk mail such as, "Dear Sir I have loads of money in a foreign country........" I used to just delete them, but then I thought why not annoy them back and clog up their email? I now send them a copy of georgia font (which happens to be about the right size to be as large as possible (140K), yet not too large as to be blocked by their mail server. I also send them a couple of dozen copies. If everyone does that as soon as they receive such an email, it will block them off almost immediately and perhaps their ISP or email providers will start to clamp down on them. Please pass on and perhaps we can at least reduce this junk. Tony From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 23 15:07:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Coulson) Date: Thu Jan 23 15:07:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Getting into the IT sector References: <1043253236.3e2ec7f44570c@webmail.freedom2surf.net> Message-ID: <3E3005D4.40604@coulsn.freeserve.co.uk> slh@f2s.com wrote: > does anyone here have any advice for me about getting a job in IT? > > i've got a degree in cybernetics, which is basically useless because noone has > heard of it. it covered a wide range of things, but mainly concentrated on > control systems and web based programming. > > i have knowledge of linux, web programming in php and java, databases, all > versions of windows(dont hate me, i cant help it), TCP/IP networks and general > PC hardware, though none of it is paid experience, so it doesn't count when i'm > applying for jobs. > > i need to get some experience before i can get a job, but i need a job to get > experience. oh well, lifes a bitch. > > > TIA for your time and help > > Ian Spratt > Office Dogsbody > Sure Start - Rosehill > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > Have you considered sending a portfolio of your work to as many IT firms as you can find addresses for. A program or website that you have been involved with would be a good start to attract interest. Additionally you might like to consider some management qualifications. If you are unemployed you might even be eligible for help in this. Good Luck Dave Coulson From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 23 15:28:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Jak Carr) Date: Thu Jan 23 15:28:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Junk mail, lets get our own back 8) In-Reply-To: <3E2FAD63.10705@ntlworld.com> References: <3E2FAD63.10705@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1043335673.13551.14.camel@newmedia02-2> All: Apologies for the length of this message - spam is something of an obsession of mine... too many years of mail servers... or is that service? Tony Whilst I wholeheartedly support your stance on UCE/SPAM, I'm not really sure that this is the best solution... Unfortunately, this has a negative effect on YOUR isp's servers also - unless you're posting through an open relay... which is really a bad thing... Either way - you're effectively Mail-Bombing... which will be in breach of your ISP's AUP - and is bad for the network. Although I totally understand your frustration... Encouraging people to do the same will kill networks HERE long before the messages get to the spammer... IMHO... Additionally, replying to ANY spam confirms your email address as being "valid" - ie worth selling and sharing with other spammers. In other words, it'll most likely cause you to get MORE spam, not less. If you want to do something useful about spam, may I respectfully suggest checking out: Sam Spade - Web based tools, plus an excellent piece of software - for Windows admittedly, but an excellent utility if you're new to spammer hunting. http://www.samspade.org - does anyone know of a similar prog for linux? (I tend to use a mix of homemade perl scripts and CLI tools) spam.abuse.net - general info, advice and background or straight to http://spam.abuse.net/userhelp http://www.cauce.org - Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email - our "local" version is http://www.euro.cauce.org Or just Google for "spam +mail +header +analysis" With just about any mail client - Even Outlook corporate - you can get to the headers and trace the spammer's ISP, or at the very least their upstream provider. By complaining directly to the abuse@ address of the spammer's ISP, you're more likely to have some success - the way you suggest, Tony, is more likely to end up with YOUR account being blocked! Plus, you can always cc your complaint to the federal or other group monitoring spam - dependant upon location of spammer's ISP. For example uce@ftc.gov - http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/04/spam.htm Using automatic analysis tools with a template complaint letter means that you can generate a complaint in a matter of seconds with practice. (Suggest: Google for Spam +Complaint +"example email"). Although once you get the hang of it, you can do it "manually" pretty damn fast too - and is a more reliable way of doing it - some of the analysis tools do get it wrong. Admittedly, this approach takes a little more of YOUR time and requires more effort on your part, but ultimately reduces your PC's load, server load, network load, kills more spammer's accounts, reduces the likelihood of your address being shared with other spammers, and is generally a "Good Thing" (tm) and more friendly to the net. The amount of satisfaction you get from an email from a SysAdmin saying "Thanks, that account is now toast" is surprisingly high... The only downside is that it can/does become something of an obsession... I have an IN, OUT, PENDING, RESPONSE and all sorts of folders tracking the results of complaints... ah well... Seriously tho - don't reply to spammers... Even clicking those "unsubscribe" links in HTML spam is iffy... even though "respectable" (HAH!) marketeers honour such request, many groups merely use this to confirm that your email is valid... and thus more valuable... Fake response/bounces stating unknown address is one approach though... BUT... Admittedly, opinions differ on the best way to handle spam - in fact, the amount of network traffic caused by admins, users et al arguing over the best way of handling spam is pretty immense in itself... And some of the politiking between groups... sheeeesh... The other advantage of getting into this, which harks back to Tony's comments on the headers used by mailing list software, is that you get to learn all about mail headers, whois, domain names and all sorts of fun things... which is nice... ;-) All of the above is, of course, just my 2p's worth... YMMV... etc Again, sorry for the length of this message - at least I didn't start going on about mail filters, spamassassin, procmail filters, RBL etc... Cheers Jak [Spammers] are the mutant spawn of a bizarre reproductive act involving a telemarketer, Larry Flynt, a tapeworm, and an executive of the Third Class mail industry. -- Dave Barry -- from http://spam.abuse.net PS If anyone is curious about my credentials to rant about this, I've been adminning Mail/Web/Radius/GodKnowsWhatElse/ISP servers for about 8 years on and off now... On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 08:52, Tony Martin wrote: > I keep getting junk mail such as, "Dear Sir I have loads of money in a > foreign country........" > > I used to just delete them, but then I thought why not annoy them back > and clog up their email? > > I now send them a copy of georgia font (which happens to be about the > right size to be as large as possible (140K), yet not too large as to be > blocked by their mail server. I also send them a couple of dozen copies. > > If everyone does that as soon as they receive such an email, it will > block them off almost immediately and perhaps their ISP or email > providers will start to clamp down on them. > > Please pass on and perhaps we can at least reduce this junk. > > Tony > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 23 18:30:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Thu Jan 23 18:30:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Junk mail, lets get our own back 8) In-Reply-To: <1043335673.13551.14.camel@newmedia02-2> References: <3E2FAD63.10705@ntlworld.com> <1043335673.13551.14.camel@newmedia02-2> Message-ID: <3E303471.4030606@ntlworld.com> Thanks for taking the time, I shall have a good look through these ideas most of which seem to make sense on a quick wizz through. The emails I have got recently have been from Yahoo or other similar email providers. They only have a small storage capacity which should not be hard to fill up, blocking any unsuspecting punters from being caught and annoying the spammer. I take your point about using bandwidth, but perhaps the overall effect will be to lower spam if these people get a quick and strong response. If everyone emailed straight back and blocked them there would be no point in them doing it and so this problem will go away. As for other types of email I am sure your suggestions are the better solution, but maybe for this type of thing this method may work. I don't have much time and also suffer from carpel tunnel syndrom so can do limited typing. Thanks again, and I shall have a good look through. Cheers Tony Jak Carr wrote: >All: Apologies for the length of this message - spam is something of an >obsession of mine... too many years of mail servers... or is that service? > >Tony > >Whilst I wholeheartedly support your stance on UCE/SPAM, I'm not really >sure that this is the best solution... Unfortunately, this has a >negative effect on YOUR isp's servers also - unless you're posting >through an open relay... which is really a bad thing... Either way - >you're effectively Mail-Bombing... which will be in breach of your ISP's >AUP - and is bad for the network. Although I totally understand your >frustration... Encouraging people to do the same will kill networks HERE >long before the messages get to the spammer... IMHO... > >Additionally, replying to ANY spam confirms your email address as being >"valid" - ie worth selling and sharing with other spammers. In other words, >it'll most likely cause you to get MORE spam, not less. > >If you want to do something useful about spam, may I respectfully >suggest checking out: > >Sam Spade - Web based tools, plus an excellent piece of software - for >Windows admittedly, but an excellent utility if you're new to spammer >hunting. http://www.samspade.org - does anyone know of a similar prog >for linux? (I tend to use a mix of homemade perl scripts and CLI tools) > >spam.abuse.net - general info, advice and background >or straight to http://spam.abuse.net/userhelp > >http://www.cauce.org - Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email - >our "local" version is http://www.euro.cauce.org > >Or just Google for "spam +mail +header +analysis" > >With just about any mail client - Even Outlook corporate - you can get >to the headers and trace the spammer's ISP, or at the very least their >upstream provider. By complaining directly to the abuse@ address of the >spammer's ISP, you're more likely to have some success - the way you >suggest, Tony, is more likely to end up with YOUR account being blocked! >Plus, you can always cc your complaint to the federal or other group >monitoring spam - dependant upon location of spammer's ISP. For example >uce@ftc.gov - http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2001/04/spam.htm > >Using automatic analysis tools with a template complaint letter means >that you can generate a complaint in a matter of seconds with practice. >(Suggest: Google for Spam +Complaint +"example email"). Although once >you get the hang of it, you can do it "manually" pretty damn fast too - >and is a more reliable way of doing it - some of the analysis tools do >get it wrong. > >Admittedly, this approach takes a little more of YOUR time and requires >more effort on your part, but ultimately reduces your PC's load, server >load, network load, kills more spammer's accounts, reduces the >likelihood of your address being shared with other spammers, and is >generally a "Good Thing" (tm) and more friendly to the net. > >The amount of satisfaction you get from an email from a SysAdmin saying >"Thanks, that account is now toast" is surprisingly high... The only >downside is that it can/does become something of an obsession... I have >an IN, OUT, PENDING, RESPONSE and all sorts of folders tracking the >results of complaints... ah well... > >Seriously tho - don't reply to spammers... Even clicking those >"unsubscribe" links in HTML spam is iffy... even though "respectable" >(HAH!) marketeers honour such request, many groups merely use this to >confirm that your email is valid... and thus more valuable... > >Fake response/bounces stating unknown address is one approach though... >BUT... Admittedly, opinions differ on the best way to handle spam - in >fact, the amount of network traffic caused by admins, users et al >arguing over the best way of handling spam is pretty immense in >itself... And some of the politiking between groups... sheeeesh... > >The other advantage of getting into this, which harks back to Tony's >comments on the headers used by mailing list software, is that you get >to learn all about mail headers, whois, domain names and all sorts of >fun things... which is nice... ;-) > >All of the above is, of course, just my 2p's worth... YMMV... etc > >Again, sorry for the length of this message - at least I didn't start >going on about mail filters, spamassassin, procmail filters, RBL etc... > >Cheers > >Jak > >[Spammers] are the mutant spawn of a bizarre reproductive act involving >a telemarketer, Larry Flynt, a tapeworm, and an executive of the Third >Class mail industry. -- Dave Barry -- from http://spam.abuse.net > >PS > >If anyone is curious about my credentials to rant about this, I've been >adminning Mail/Web/Radius/GodKnowsWhatElse/ISP servers for about 8 years >on and off now... > > >On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 08:52, Tony Martin wrote: > > >>I keep getting junk mail such as, "Dear Sir I have loads of money in a >>foreign country........" >> >>I used to just delete them, but then I thought why not annoy them back >>and clog up their email? >> >>I now send them a copy of georgia font (which happens to be about the >>right size to be as large as possible (140K), yet not too large as to be >>blocked by their mail server. I also send them a couple of dozen copies. >> >>If everyone does that as soon as they receive such an email, it will >>block them off almost immediately and perhaps their ISP or email >>providers will start to clamp down on them. >> >>Please pass on and perhaps we can at least reduce this junk. >> >>Tony >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Sderby mailing list >>Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >>Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >>wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 23 19:32:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Thu Jan 23 19:32:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Junk mail, lets get our own back 8) In-Reply-To: <3E303471.4030606@ntlworld.com> References: <3E2FAD63.10705@ntlworld.com> <1043335673.13551.14.camel@newmedia02-2> <3E303471.4030606@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <20030123192952.6370e4e4.aheath@clikmail.net> One other thing to consider is that most spammers use made up return addresses which means they will never get your mail, the end result leaves you receiving more mail when the delivery failure comes back to you. Ash On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:29:05 +0000 Tony Martin wrote: > Thanks for taking the time, I shall have a good look through these ideas > most of which seem to make sense on a quick wizz through. The emails I > have got recently have been from Yahoo or other similar email > providers. They only have a small storage capacity which should not be > hard to fill up, blocking any unsuspecting punters from being caught and > annoying the spammer. I take your point about using bandwidth, but > perhaps the overall effect will be to lower spam if these people get a > quick and strong response. If everyone emailed straight back and blocked > them there would be no point in them doing it and so this problem will > go away. > As for other types of email I am sure your suggestions are the better > solution, but maybe for this type of thing this method may work. I > don't have much time and also suffer from carpel tunnel syndrom so can > do limited typing. > > Thanks again, and I shall have a good look through. > > Cheers > Tony From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 23 19:46:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Thu Jan 23 19:46:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Junk mail, lets get our own back 8) In-Reply-To: <20030123192952.6370e4e4.aheath@clikmail.net> References: <3E2FAD63.10705@ntlworld.com> <1043335673.13551.14.camel@newmedia02-2> <3E303471.4030606@ntlworld.com> <20030123192952.6370e4e4.aheath@clikmail.net> Message-ID: <3E304663.4030500@ntlworld.com> The ones I have been getting and are talking about have no other links on so not a problem for these ones, but definitely true for most of the others. I should perhaps have been clearer on the type of email I meant. I've only been getting these type so forgot to be more specific. Thanks for all the feedback though it has given me some good ideas. Ta Tony Ashley Heath wrote: >One other thing to consider is that most spammers use made up return addresses which means they will never get your mail, the end result leaves you receiving more mail when the delivery failure comes back to you. > >Ash > >On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:29:05 +0000 >Tony Martin wrote: > > > >>Thanks for taking the time, I shall have a good look through these ideas >>most of which seem to make sense on a quick wizz through. The emails I >>have got recently have been from Yahoo or other similar email >>providers. They only have a small storage capacity which should not be >>hard to fill up, blocking any unsuspecting punters from being caught and >>annoying the spammer. I take your point about using bandwidth, but >>perhaps the overall effect will be to lower spam if these people get a >>quick and strong response. If everyone emailed straight back and blocked >>them there would be no point in them doing it and so this problem will >>go away. >>As for other types of email I am sure your suggestions are the better >>solution, but maybe for this type of thing this method may work. I >>don't have much time and also suffer from carpel tunnel syndrom so can >>do limited typing. >> >>Thanks again, and I shall have a good look through. >> >>Cheers >>Tony >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 23 20:06:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Jak Carr) Date: Thu Jan 23 20:06:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Junk mail, lets get our own back 8) Message-ID: <20030123200456.techhell@plus.net> This is a MIME encoded message. --=_9e5c878feca4702670696b3b0bfb2da3 Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Absolutely. And chances are that even if these addresses are valid (like temp yahoo ones), once used for a spam run, will NEVER be checked again! So you'll have wasted your time... Another classic Spammer trick - aside from temporary, or "disposable" free email service addresses such as yahoo, is not only to forge address, as Ashley quite correctly points out - but also to use addresses harvested from the web or other sources as reply-to addressess! In other words, the victim of the spammer has their address used by the spammer for replies! We recently had some pornographer in the states use one of our support email address for this purpose, and we got some VERY irate messages about it from people who don't read their mail headers closely enough... heh... It's still horrible to see a failure message with one of your email addresses as the reply to with a subject line of HOT GIRLZZZZ or somesuch... Point is, some innocent user somewhere gets their mailbox filled up with your retaliation messages... and the spammer wins. Jak >One other thing to consider is that most spammers use made up return addresses which means they will never get your mail, the end result leaves you receiving more mail when the delivery failure comes back to you. > >Ash > >On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:29:05 +0000 >Tony Martin wrote: > >> Thanks for taking the time, I shall have a good look through these ideas >> most of which seem to make sense on a quick wizz through. The emails I >> have got recently have been from Yahoo or other similar email >> providers. They only have a small storage capacity which should not be >> hard to fill up, blocking any unsuspecting punters from being caught and >> annoying the spammer. I take your point about using bandwidth, but >> perhaps the overall effect will be to lower spam if these people get a >> quick and strong response. If everyone emailed straight back and blocked >> them there would be no point in them doing it and so this problem will >> go away. >> As for other types of email I am sure your suggestions are the better >> solution, but maybe for this type of thing this method may work. I >> don't have much time and also suffer from carpel tunnel syndrom so can >> do limited typing. >> >> Thanks again, and I shall have a good look through. >> >> Cheers >> Tony > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > --=_9e5c878feca4702670696b3b0bfb2da3-- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 23 21:01:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Thu Jan 23 21:01:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] still having problems In-Reply-To: <001801c2c234$97311760$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> References: <001801c2c234$97311760$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> Message-ID: <20030123205912.67d7e69e.aheath@clikmail.net> Have a look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or if that doesn't exist try /etc/X11/XF86Config and make sure you have a line in the module section that says Load "glx" comment out any lines Load "dri" Load "GLcore" If there is an entry for UseFBDev set this to False Ash On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 16:37:44 -0000 "Russ" wrote: > i tried this, > Oh dear, looks like your box may not have been running the open source > NVIDIA driver. > > There is probably a Mandrake specific X server configuration program > that you can invoke from the command line (DOS prompt. A standard > program is available it is called xf86config, but it is rather > unfriendly to say the least. > > What we can do is have a look and see if you have a backup configuration > file. > > Login as root > type in: > > cd /etc/X11 > > type: > ls > the main configuration file is called XF86Config > look for any files called something like XF86Config.save or something > like that, maybe XF86Config.bak. > firstly let's rename the original file: > mv XF86Config XF86Config.bad > this will rename the file to XF86Config.bad. > > Now lets copy the backup file, assuming it is called .bak we can use the > command: > > cp XF86Config.bak XF86Config > > This will restore the saved copy. > > You can try and start X-windows with the command: > > startx > > and got this, > i found these XF86config, XF86config-4, XF86config-4.old, XF86config.old > i tried to rename the XF86config to.old and got this, > mv: cannot stat. `XF86config`, no such file. so i tried it in /xdm can it didnt like that also i tried to rename some of the other XFconfig file listed above to .old with no go. > and that were im at now. > > Russ From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 23 21:56:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (astraguy) Date: Thu Jan 23 21:56:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] still having problems References: <001801c2c234$97311760$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> Message-ID: <003801c2c32a$2c7b0e20$e662893e@m2a1y6> Hi Russ , I am not sure if this link will help you, http://rivatv.sourceforge.net/chiplist.php Regards Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: [Sderby] still having problems i tried this, Oh dear, looks like your box may not have been running the open source NVIDIA driver. There is probably a Mandrake specific X server configuration program that you can invoke from the command line (DOS prompt. A standard program is available it is called xf86config, but it is rather unfriendly to say the least. What we can do is have a look and see if you have a backup configuration file. Login as root type in: cd /etc/X11 type: ls the main configuration file is called XF86Config look for any files called something like XF86Config.save or something like that, maybe XF86Config.bak. firstly let's rename the original file: mv XF86Config XF86Config.bad this will rename the file to XF86Config.bad. Now lets copy the backup file, assuming it is called .bak we can use the command: cp XF86Config.bak XF86Config This will restore the saved copy. You can try and start X-windows with the command: startx and got this, i found these XF86config, XF86config-4, XF86config-4.old, XF86config.old i tried to rename the XF86config to.old and got this, mv: cannot stat. `XF86config`, no such file. so i tried it in /xdm can it didnt like that also i tried to rename some of the other XFconfig file listed above to .old with no go. and that were im at now. Russ From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 01:06:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (david joseph) Date: Fri Jan 24 01:06:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] kppp & SuSE Linux 8.1 Message-ID: <3E305C3D.5090005@uklinux.net> Hello everyone, and belated new year's greetings.  I've just installed Suse Linux 8.1 professional, and (sigh) here I go again, endless hours trying to get a working system up and running - one that I can use to do some productive  computing.
It's so frustrating - I know I'm not alone - endless re-installs, endless loads of just about every distribution going in a fruitless search for the holy grail of a useable Linux system and of course endless hassles along the way. And I still don't have even a basic bog standard Linux system that I can use!.  No wonder Microsoft rule the universe!

Anyway sorry for the rave, but I can't get the kppp dialer work - even when I'm logged in as root! It dials out ok, then promply dies.
Trying to use kppp to dial out for any other user is even move hopeless - just get the message  - "you have insufficient permissions etc" - well I've tried using chmod etc and even editing  /etc/pam.d (changing required to sufficient in every permutation!) So what am I missing? What really drives me nuts is that I had no problems with kppp when I was running SuSE 7.3 A few more incremental improvements like that and SuSE will be following Mandrake down the pan of computing history.

I really feel that the Linux community needs to address the issue of making Linux more user friendly and easier to set up.  What's the point of thousands of programmes yet not being able to access the internet or have a half decent word processor available.
If you enjoy playing with computers great - but if you also want to use a computer in other productive ways Linux is not that great.
When I attended a sderby LUG meeting last year, I was impressed by the fluency and knowledge of some of the members - but it was also reassuring to find that my experiences with Linux were not unique.
I really want to see Linux succeed - but there are some serious issues to be addressed.
Any comments anyone - and please don't jump down my throat for telling you your baby is ugly and you've dressed it funny.
I still prefer Linux to Windows.

Sorry this has turned into War and Peace - I expect it's an unforgivable breach of Netiquete


Yours to a cinder, David Joseph


p.s. this come to you courtesy of wvdial
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 01:06:07 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (astraguy) Date: Fri Jan 24 01:06:07 2003 Subject: [Sderby] still having problems References: <001801c2c234$97311760$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> Message-ID: <001901c2c329$e3b412e0$e662893e@m2a1y6> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2C329.E30C3A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Russ , I am not sure if this link will help you, http://rivatv.sourceforge.net/chiplist.php Regards Michael ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Russ=20 To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: [Sderby] still having problems i tried this, Oh dear, looks like your box may not have been running the open source NVIDIA driver. There is probably a Mandrake specific X server configuration program that you can invoke from the command line (DOS prompt. A standard program is available it is called xf86config, but it is rather unfriendly to say the least.=20 What we can do is have a look and see if you have a backup = configuration file. Login as root type in: cd /etc/X11 type: ls the main configuration file is called XF86Config look for any files called something like XF86Config.save or something like that, maybe XF86Config.bak. firstly let's rename the original file: mv XF86Config XF86Config.bad this will rename the file to XF86Config.bad. Now lets copy the backup file, assuming it is called .bak we can use = the command: cp XF86Config.bak XF86Config This will restore the saved copy. You can try and start X-windows with the command: startx and got this, i found these XF86config, XF86config-4, XF86config-4.old, = XF86config.old i tried to rename the XF86config to.old and got this, mv: cannot stat. `XF86config`, no such file. so i tried it in /xdm can = it didnt like that also i tried to rename some of the other XFconfig = file listed above to .old with no go. and that were im at now.=20 Russ ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2C329.E30C3A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Russ ,
I am not sure if this link will help = you,
http://rivatv.sourcef= orge.net/chiplist.php
 
Regards Michael
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Russ
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, = 2003 4:37=20 PM
Subject: [Sderby] still having=20 problems

i tried this,
Oh dear, looks like your box may not have been running the open=20 source
NVIDIA driver.

There is probably a Mandrake specific = X server=20 configuration program
that you can invoke from the command line = (DOS=20 prompt. A standard
program is available it is called xf86config, = but it is=20 rather
unfriendly to say the least.

What we can do is have = a look=20 and see if you have a backup configuration
file.

Login as=20 root
type in:

cd /etc/X11

type:
ls
the main=20 configuration file is called XF86Config
look for any files called = something=20 like XF86Config.save or something
like that, maybe=20 XF86Config.bak.
firstly let's rename the original file:
mv = XF86Config=20 XF86Config.bad
this will rename the file to = XF86Config.bad.

Now lets=20 copy the backup file, assuming it is called .bak we can use=20 the
command:

cp XF86Config.bak XF86Config

This will = restore=20 the saved copy.

You can try and start X-windows with the=20 command:

startx

and got this,
i found these XF86config, = XF86config-4,=20 XF86config-4.old, XF86config.old
i tried to rename the XF86config = to.old and got=20 this,
mv: cannot stat. `XF86config`, no = such file. so i=20 tried it in /xdm can it didnt like that also i tried to rename some of = the=20 other XFconfig file listed above to .old with no go.
and that were im at now. =
 
          &nbs= p; =20 Russ
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C2C329.E30C3A20-- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 01:06:13 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Russ) Date: Fri Jan 24 01:06:13 2003 Subject: [Sderby] i need a house call Message-ID: <000a01c2c330$40b2a050$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C330.408EEBB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i could do with a house call to show me what im not doing or not doing = right, i want to be able to use Linux for online gaming. is there anyone = that can spare a little time to help me out. =20 thanks Russ ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C330.408EEBB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
i could do with a house call to show me = what im not=20 doing or not doing right, i want to be able to use Linux for online = gaming. is=20 there anyone that can spare a little time to help me=20 out.  
 
     thanks=20 Russ
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2C330.408EEBB0-- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 09:08:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Fri Jan 24 09:08:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] kppp & SuSE Linux 8.1 In-Reply-To: <3E305C3D.5090005@uklinux.net> References: <3E305C3D.5090005@uklinux.net> Message-ID: <3E310250.90703@ntlworld.com> Dear David, I must say I feel very much the same as you, frustrated at getting things to work, yet I definitely think that Linux is the future of computing (Although I think a complete redisign of hardware and software from the ground up will be seen as the only way to get a stable computer within the next 5-10 years.) Wants followed by IMHO the current state (0-10) of SUSE 8.0 (I have tried 8.1and found it to be very buggy although others have reported very favourably on it.) To install with a GUI with good quality help that does not have you reaching for a dictionary (9) Divers available for all but the most recent kit (8) Automatic and manual update. (8) Modem drivers and assosiated software for all modems including Win modems which most people have (0) I have never got a modem going with Linux including an external bought one especially for it! Connecting via DSL just worked without any problems. (10) Change of screen resolution as easy as Windows (2) Installation of programs on original disks (9) Installation of external software (3) Very few come with a easily workable loader. Range of software (6) Mozilla, GIMP and Open office, are excellent and I currently use the Windows versions (I have SUSE 8.1 installed currently but I will be going back to 8.0) Availability of internet help, quantity (10) how easy is it to understand and implement (3) Cut and paste between applications (2) So simple, yet so not implemented 8( Help from groups such as this (11) Very helpful and probably the best asset Linux has 8) IMHO there are some myths about Linux that with my limited experience I think are incorrect (perhaps due to my familiarity with Windows and my lack of knowledge of Linux?, I am sure someone will put me right on that (and I don't mind one bit 8). "Linux needs less resources than Windows", so far Linux seems to gobble resources just as well as Windows. "Linux is much more stable than Windows" Possibly, but could this at least be part due to the amount of different things that people run on Windows. For a couple of years I have used my PC as a Video recorder, hifi, and all the rest of the stuff. Linux has only just started to make these things available? I have attempted at least 100 installs of Linux over the past 2-3 years (Corel, Caldera, Mandrake 6,7,8,9, SUSE 7, 8, Red Hat, plus two others I can't remember) so I feel I am kind of an "experienced newbie" 8) SUSE 8.0 has been by far the most sucessful install for me. I did have 8.0 running for a month or two and moved all my stuff to it to use on a daily basis. Unfortunately it ran out of HDD space and the whole thing just fell to pieces and I lost my email and other files. What I would say is most encouraging is the rate at which Linux has improved over the last few years. I'm also not very knowledgable on Netiquete so hope I havn't upset, and just would like to say thanks to all the members who have been so very helpful over the last year or so. Tony david joseph wrote: > Hello everyone, and belated new year's greetings. I've just installed > Suse Linux 8.1 professional, and (sigh) here I go again, endless hours > trying to get a working system up and running - one that I can use to > do some_ productive_ computing. > It's so frustrating - I know I'm not alone - endless re-installs, > endless loads of just about every distribution going in a fruitless > search for the holy grail of a useable Linux system and of course > endless hassles along the way. And I still don't have even a basic bog > standard Linux system that I can use!. No wonder Microsoft rule the > universe! > > Anyway sorry for the rave, but I can't get the kppp dialer work - even > when I'm logged in as root! It dials out ok, then promply dies. > Trying to use kppp to dial out for any other user is even move > hopeless - just get the message - "you have insufficient permissions > etc" - well I've tried using chmod etc and even editing /etc/pam.d > (changing required to sufficient in every permutation!) So what am I > missing? What really drives me nuts is that I had no problems with > kppp when I was running SuSE 7.3 A few more incremental improvements > like that and SuSE will be following Mandrake down the pan of > computing history. > > I really feel that the Linux community needs to address the issue of > making Linux more user friendly and easier to set up. What's the > point of thousands of programmes yet not being able to access the > internet or have a half decent word processor available. > If you enjoy playing with computers great - but if you also want to > use a computer in other productive ways Linux is not that great. > When I attended a sderby LUG meeting last year, I was impressed by the > fluency and knowledge of some of the members - but it was also > reassuring to find that my experiences with Linux were not unique. > I really want to see Linux succeed - but there are some serious issues > to be addressed. > Any comments anyone - and please don't jump down my throat for telling > you your baby is ugly and you've dressed it funny. > I still prefer Linux to Windows. > > Sorry this has turned into War and Peace - I expect it's an > unforgivable breach of Netiquete > > > Yours to a cinder, David Joseph > > > p.s. this come to you courtesy of wvdial > _______________________________________________ Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby Web site: > http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ wiki: > http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 09:09:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Gordon Mitchell) Date: Fri Jan 24 09:09:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] kppp & SuSE Linux 8.1 References: <3E305C3D.5090005@uklinux.net> Message-ID: <3E310278.6040006@ftel.co.uk> David, I have had similar problems going from Suse 7.3 to 8. My fix was as follows Edit /etc/ppp/options and uncomment the following options noipdefault ipcp-accept-local ipcp-accept-remote I also had to edit /etc/ppp/peers/kppp and add the following entries. (However this was only required for one of the connections I use.) defaultroute replacedefaultroute I have to admit that as a user rather than a developer of linux, I can symathaise and agree with you comments. Regards Gordon david joseph wrote: > Hello everyone, and belated new year's greetings. I've just installed > Suse Linux 8.1 professional, and (sigh) here I go again, endless hours > trying to get a working system up and running - one that I can use to do > some_ productive_ computing. > It's so frustrating - I know I'm not alone - endless re-installs, > endless loads of just about every distribution going in a fruitless > search for the holy grail of a useable Linux system and of course > endless hassles along the way. And I still don't have even a basic bog > standard Linux system that I can use!. No wonder Microsoft rule the > universe! > > Anyway sorry for the rave, but I can't get the kppp dialer work - even > when I'm logged in as root! It dials out ok, then promply dies. > Trying to use kppp to dial out for any other user is even move hopeless > - just get the message - "you have insufficient permissions etc" - well > I've tried using chmod etc and even editing /etc/pam.d (changing > required to sufficient in every permutation!) So what am I missing? What > really drives me nuts is that I had no problems with kppp when I was > running SuSE 7.3 A few more incremental improvements like that and SuSE > will be following Mandrake down the pan of computing history > > I really feel that the Linux community needs to address the issue of > making Linux more user friendly and easier to set up. What's the point > of thousands of programmes yet not being able to access the internet or > have a half decent word processor available. > If you enjoy playing with computers great - but if you also want to use > a computer in other productive ways Linux is not that great. > When I attended a sderby LUG meeting last year, I was impressed by the > fluency and knowledge of some of the members - but it was also > reassuring to find that my experiences with Linux were not unique. > I really want to see Linux succeed - but there are some serious issues > to be addressed. > Any comments anyone - and please don't jump down my throat for telling > you your baby is ugly and you've dressed it funny. > I still prefer Linux to Windows. > > Sorry this has turned into War and Peace - I expect it's an unforgivable > breach of Netiquete > > > Yours to a cinder, David Joseph > > > p.s. this come to you courtesy of wvdial > _______________________________________________ Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby Web site: > http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ wiki: > http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl -- =================================================================== Gordon Mitchell, PDS Engineer mailto:gm@ftel.co.uk Fujitsu Telecommunications Europe Ltd, Birmingham B77 7YU Tel. +44 121 717 6434 Fax. +44 121 717 6014 Mobile +44 7970 994982 =================================================================== From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 11:45:25 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight) Date: Fri Jan 24 11:45:25 2003 Subject: [Sderby] digest mode Message-ID: <200301241152.25443.dom@overseal.uklinux.net> Can anyone who gets the digest version confirm wether or not it is=20 working! Cheers, Dom. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 12:44:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Fri Jan 24 12:44:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Pub Message-ID: <3E2FE57A000018B8@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> See you all there tonight! From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 13:28:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Fri Jan 24 13:28:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Pub In-Reply-To: <3E2FE57A000018B8@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> References: <3E2FE57A000018B8@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Message-ID: <1043414831.3e313f2faffa7@webmail.freedom2surf.net> today is payday. tonight is meeting night payday + pub = bad idea but i'm still coming anyway ian > See you all there tonight! > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 21:10:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Fri Jan 24 21:10:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] KDE 3.1 Message-ID: <20030124210838.1cb6538b.aheath@clikmail.net> Was impressed with KDE 3.0 but 3.1 looks even better. http://www.kde.org/screenshots/kde310shots.html I know a fancy gui doesn't make a great OS but it sure looks nice. Ash From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 22:15:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Fri Jan 24 22:15:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] i need a house call In-Reply-To: <000a01c2c330$40b2a050$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> References: <000a01c2c330$40b2a050$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> Message-ID: <200301241850.29983.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Bring the box to the next meeting on 2nd Feb. Mike. On Thursday 23 January 2003 22:39, Russ wrote: > i could do with a house call to show me what im not doing or not doing > right, i want to be able to use Linux for online gaming. is there anyon= e > that can spare a little time to help me out. > > thanks Russ From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 22:18:25 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Fri Jan 24 22:18:25 2003 Subject: [Sderby] kppp & SuSE Linux 8.1 In-Reply-To: <3E310250.90703@ntlworld.com> References: <3E305C3D.5090005@uklinux.net> <3E310250.90703@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <20030124221621.5dbdd7d7.aheath@clikmail.net> On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:07:28 +0000 Tony Martin wrote: > Dear David, I must say I feel very much the same as you, frustrated at > getting things to work, yet I definitely think that Linux is the future > of computing (Although I think a complete redisign of hardware and > software from the ground up will be seen as the only way to get a stable > computer within the next 5-10 years.) Linux in my opinion is still in its infancy as a desktop OS, but why do we all use it, not because it is the lastest and greatest, but because it has proven itself to be a stable and reliable OS over many years. I agree with Tony that Linux is the future, but disagree with the concept that all hardware and software needs to be redesigned, I have a perfectly stable system running Linux, does over 95% of everything I need and apart from the hardware cost everything else is free software. At work I support a mainly M$ system base and the crap we have to put up with on a day to day basis is unbelievable. Only this week I had a server completely freeze up on me several times because of a router problem, could not gain access via the keyboard or remotely, the only option was to power the server off and back on, if this had been running Linux I think it would probably have taken half the time to resolve.. > Wants followed by IMHO the current state (0-10) of SUSE 8.0 (I have > tried 8.1and found it to be very buggy although others have reported > very favourably on it.) > > To install with a GUI with good quality help that does not have you > reaching for a dictionary (9) I agree, Linux is still a way off for the absolute beginner, but bear in mind that most PC's bought in the UK come preinstalled with windows ready to go. Imagine your very first PC experience installing your own OS for the first time. A daunting task for any newcomer. > Divers available for all but the most recent kit (8) > Automatic and manual update. (8) > Modem drivers and assosiated software for all modems including Win > modems which most people have (0) I have never got a modem going with > Linux including an external bought one especially for it! I have a winmodem working under Linux, took a while to find a driver module, but it works fine. > Connecting via DSL just worked without any problems. (10) > Change of screen resolution as easy as Windows (2) It is easier than windows, CTL + ALT + (Numpad +/-) will change resolutions on the fly (need to be specified in your XF86Config) Couple of other tips, although I am no expert I would welcome more CTL + ALT + BACKSPACE will restart the X Server from within your window manager CTL + ALT + ESC will bring up xkill , just drag over a problem app and click to kill it > Installation of programs on original disks (9) > Installation of external software (3) Very few come with a easily > workable loader. Agreed, this does vary considerably. > Range of software (6) Mozilla, GIMP and Open office, are excellent and I > currently use the Windows versions (I have SUSE 8.1 installed currently > but I will be going back to 8.0) > Availability of internet help, quantity (10) how easy is it to > understand and implement (3) > Cut and paste between applications (2) So simple, yet so not implemented > 8( Does work OK, just not what you would expect under windows and takes a bit of getting used to. > Help from groups such as this (11) Very helpful and probably the best > asset Linux has 8) Also try groups.google.com and www.google.com/linux > > IMHO there are some myths about Linux that with my limited experience I > think are incorrect (perhaps due to my familiarity with Windows and my > lack of knowledge of Linux?, I am sure someone will put me right on that > (and I don't mind one bit 8). > "Linux needs less resources than Windows", so far Linux seems to gobble > resources just as well as Windows. Depends on the useage, if running full KDE with all the nice stuff turned on then probably so, if running a leaner xwindows manager or as a server with no X running then consumes considerably less resources. > "Linux is much more stable than Windows" Possibly, but could this at > least be part due to the amount of different things that people run on > Windows. For a couple of years I have used my PC as a Video recorder, > hifi, and all the rest of the stuff. Linux has only just started to > make these things available? Linux is still up and coming in the desktop OS arena, most stuff on Windows costs money to run legally. Linux is catching up rapidly in this area, but most stuff is free, you just have to weigh up the difference. > > I have attempted at least 100 installs of Linux over the past 2-3 years > (Corel, Caldera, Mandrake 6,7,8,9, SUSE 7, 8, Red Hat, plus two others I > can't remember) so I feel I am kind of an "experienced newbie" 8) > > SUSE 8.0 has been by far the most sucessful install for me. My advice is find a distribution that works for you and stick with it, don't be tempted into the M$ arena and upgrade evertime a new version is released, I was always the first to do this but learned my lessons the hard way a long time ago. If you want a stable system wait a few months after each release before upgrading and only then after weighing up the benefits of doing so. If you want to try the lastest stuff dual boot or run it on another PC so that you can try it out first. > I did have 8.0 running for a month or two and moved all my stuff to it > to use on a daily basis. Unfortunately it ran out of HDD space and the > whole thing just fell to pieces and I lost my email and other files. Knoppix runs from CD, no need to install, maybe you could have recovered your files using something like this (Discovered this recently) or using the rescue mode of your distribution. > What I would say is most encouraging is the rate at which Linux has > improved over the last few years. Wow, hell yes, I dabbled several times over the last 2-3 years and only recently became a convert, it is a steep learing curve especially if you have grown up only knowing windows. > I'm also not very knowledgable on Netiquete so hope I havn't upset, and > just would like to say thanks to all the members who have been so very > helpful over the last year or so. We all have to start somewhere, I can't speak for everyone but we are all here to help if we can. > > Tony From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 22:21:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Fri Jan 24 22:21:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] i need a house call In-Reply-To: <000a01c2c330$40b2a050$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> References: <000a01c2c330$40b2a050$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> Message-ID: <20030124221901.41569703.aheath@clikmail.net> Hi Russ, Rather than a house call why not come along to the next LUG meeting on the 2nd Feb where you could have several helping hands. We would all be glad to answer any questions or help where we can. Ash On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:39:12 -0000 "Russ" wrote: > i could do with a house call to show me what im not doing or not doing right, i want to be able to use Linux for online gaming. is there anyone that can spare a little time to help me out. > > thanks Russ From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 24 23:51:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Russ) Date: Fri Jan 24 23:51:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] i need a house call References: <000a01c2c330$40b2a050$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> <20030124221901.41569703.aheath@clikmail.net> Message-ID: <001201c2c403$664c0800$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> Hi Ash, I dont have a car wich makes getting there a problem, thanks anyway. Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Heath" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Sderby] i need a house call > Hi Russ, > > Rather than a house call why not come along to the next LUG meeting on the 2nd Feb where you could have several helping hands. We would all be glad to answer any questions or help where we can. > > Ash > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:39:12 -0000 > "Russ" wrote: > > > i could do with a house call to show me what im not doing or not doing right, i want to be able to use Linux for online gaming. is there anyone that can spare a little time to help me out. > > > > thanks Russ > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 25 01:17:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Sat Jan 25 01:17:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] i need a house call In-Reply-To: <001201c2c403$664c0800$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> References: <000a01c2c330$40b2a050$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> <20030124221901.41569703.aheath@clikmail.net> <001201c2c403$664c0800$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> Message-ID: <20030125011459.590e1555.aheath@clikmail.net> On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:50:39 -0000 "Russ" wrote: > Hi Ash, > I dont have a car wich makes getting there a problem, thanks anyway. > > Russ Russ, Where do you live, maybe someone could give you a lift? Ash From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 25 11:29:37 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (tony) Date: Sat Jan 25 11:29:37 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Just tried threads Linux 7.3 Message-ID: <000b01c2c45d$4036efe0$54e36451@tv> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2C45D.4022F2B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and it killed my windows 2000 install. Red hat(Threads) seemed to = install OK and got most things right, including making menus etc = readable unlike SUSE, but did not configure my scroll mouse for = scrolling. Boot looader killed windows 2000, so have re-installed. Oh well installation 101 part suckces. Have fun Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2C45D.4022F2B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
and it killed my windows 2000 install. = Red=20 hat(Threads) seemed to install OK and got most things right, including = making=20 menus etc readable unlike SUSE, but did not configure my scroll mouse = for=20 scrolling.
 
Boot looader killed windows 2000, so = have=20 re-installed.
 
Oh well installation 101 part = suckces.
 
Have fun
Tony
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C2C45D.4022F2B0-- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 25 12:22:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Sat Jan 25 12:22:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Just tried threads Linux 7.3 In-Reply-To: <000b01c2c45d$4036efe0$54e36451@tv> References: <000b01c2c45d$4036efe0$54e36451@tv> Message-ID: <20030125122007.7f531375.aheath@clikmail.net> Tony, You could have just added the Windows boot entry to your Linux boot loader. Ash On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:33:50 -0000 "tony" wrote: > and it killed my windows 2000 install. Red hat(Threads) seemed to install OK and got most things right, including making menus etc readable unlike SUSE, but did not configure my scroll mouse for scrolling. > > Boot looader killed windows 2000, so have re-installed. > > Oh well installation 101 part suckces. > > Have fun > Tony > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 25 13:15:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin) Date: Sat Jan 25 13:15:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Just tried threads Linux 7.3 In-Reply-To: <20030125122007.7f531375.aheath@clikmail.net> References: <000b01c2c45d$4036efe0$54e36451@tv> <20030125122007.7f531375.aheath@clikmail.net> Message-ID: <3E328DCA.8010907@ntlworld.com> To quote the native american indians "How", I tried searching for windows 200 boot loader restore, but didn't have a clue how to do it under linux. Any good links appreciated. Ta Tony Ashley Heath wrote: >Tony, > >You could have just added the Windows boot entry to your Linux boot loader. > >Ash > >On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:33:50 -0000 >"tony" wrote: > > > >>and it killed my windows 2000 install. Red hat(Threads) seemed to install OK and got most things right, including making menus etc readable unlike SUSE, but did not configure my scroll mouse for scrolling. >> >>Boot looader killed windows 2000, so have re-installed. >> >>Oh well installation 101 part suckces. >> >>Have fun >>Tony >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Sderby mailing list >Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby >Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ >wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 25 13:37:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Sat Jan 25 13:37:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Just tried threads Linux 7.3 In-Reply-To: <3E328DCA.8010907@ntlworld.com> References: <000b01c2c45d$4036efe0$54e36451@tv> <20030125122007.7f531375.aheath@clikmail.net> <3E328DCA.8010907@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <20030125133538.6211a1cc.aheath@clikmail.net> Lilo Example other=/dev/hda1 label=Windows Grub example below title Windows rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 makeactive boot for more details take a look at 'man lilo.conf' or 'info grub' or do a search on http://groups.google.co.uk or http://www.google.co.uk/linux HTH Ash On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:14:50 +0000 Tony Martin wrote: > sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 25 14:46:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Sat Jan 25 14:46:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Just tried threads Linux 7.3 In-Reply-To: <20030125133538.6211a1cc.aheath@clikmail.net> References: <000b01c2c45d$4036efe0$54e36451@tv> <3E328DCA.8010907@ntlworld.com> <20030125133538.6211a1cc.aheath@clikmail.net> Message-ID: <200301251449.08037.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Remember when you've editied /etc/lilo.conf to run lilo to write the chan= ges=20 to MBR. This is not necessary with Grub though. Mike. On Saturday 25 January 2003 13:35, Ashley Heath wrote: > Lilo Example > > other=3D/dev/hda1 > label=3DWindows > > Grub example below > > title Windows > rootnoverify (hd0,0) > chainloader +1 > makeactive > boot > > for more details take a look at 'man lilo.conf' or 'info grub' or do a > search on http://groups.google.co.uk or http://www.google.co.uk/linux > > HTH > Ash > > On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:14:50 +0000 > > Tony Martin wrote: > > sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Jan 25 19:35:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Sat Jan 25 19:35:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Skipper Message-ID: <200301251938.13036.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Anyone had a go at installing Skipper yet? Which version of SuSE does it= =20 install best on? Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 26 00:48:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mr Alan Carter) Date: Sun Jan 26 00:48:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Skipper Message-ID: > Anyone had a go at installing Skipper yet? Which version of SuSE does it > install best on? The current doco follows an exact install on SuSE 8.0. Anyone with any kind of UNIX experience should have no problem building and installing on any Linux or even FreeBSD though. What's important is getting the packages it requires loaded. These are: bison : for building the slighly hacked ctwm flex : for parsing the onscreen menu config fltk : the graphics toolkit for the onscreen menus fltk-devel : as above mesa-devel : required by fltk-devel xdevel : as above The exact packages for X and Mesa will vary according to the distrib. The "Installing Festival" page gives detailed instructions for downloading and building the Festival voice synth from Edinburgh University (it good fun and I heartily recommend playing with it), and the "Installing Skipper" page gives detailed instructions for adjusting the /etc/XF86Config and /etc/inittab files. There's a simple skipper/install shell script that installs all the executables, which you can look at to see what it does. These files should be standard across all distribs. Then you just run the skipuser script to set up each user's .profile and .xinitrc files - look in it if you're running a different distrib. Because the X server has to read from /dev/skipper instead of /dev/ps2 or (whatever) and XF86Config is a global resource, each user of the system has to run a minimal version of the input processing layer. That' s what skipuser does. So if you've got a nice profile of your own, look in skipuser and do something equivalent by hand! I've got Skipper 1.5.1 ready to upload to the website, which is a little more friendly if you want to play with the graphical input processing while using the onscreen menus. I'll see if I can connect my Linux box to the phone (depending on nephews) and upload tommorrow. Any problems, drop me a line. Thanks for the interest! Alan -- From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 26 11:47:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Sun Jan 26 11:47:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] i need a house call References: <000a01c2c330$40b2a050$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> <20030124221901.41569703.aheath@clikmail.net> Message-ID: <008301c2c52c$537effa0$0100a8c0@pc2> Hi Russ Where do you live. I may be able to give you a lift to the 2nd Feb meeting. Andre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Heath" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Sderby] i need a house call > Hi Russ, > > Rather than a house call why not come along to the next LUG meeting on the 2nd Feb where you could have several helping hands. We would all be glad to answer any questions or help where we can. > > Ash > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:39:12 -0000 > "Russ" wrote: > > > i could do with a house call to show me what im not doing or not doing right, i want to be able to use Linux for online gaming. is there anyone that can spare a little time to help me out. > > > > thanks Russ > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 26 22:12:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Sun Jan 26 22:12:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Knoppix - An interesting idea Message-ID: <20030126220949.5730f962.aheath@clikmail.net> Discovered Knoppix about a week ago and have been looking further into it, for those who don't know what it is, it is a Debian based distro that runs completely from CD. It really is quite impressive, when it boots it autodetetcts and configures all your hardware and lauches straight into a fully functioning KDE system with loads of common applications pre installed and ready to run ie open office, koffice , mozilla , konqueror and many more Knoppix is ideal for introducing folk to Linux without going the whole hog and reformatting their box, gives them a chance to play with it at their leisure and get used to Linux. Knoppix is also customisable for anyone who wants to take up the challenge, there is a CD re-mastering howto on the knoppix website. Basically you can create you own custom distro that runs from CD and does whatever you need. Ideal for making rescue CD's, demo disks, custom installations etc May be a good base for your firewalling project Mike, what do you think? A complete skipper system ready to run? Or maybe a system designed for Amateur radio. http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemasteringHowto Knoppix can also be run from a network bootable pc and installed on a hard disk if desired. Feel a project coming on Ash From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 26 22:19:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Sun Jan 26 22:19:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Knoppix - An interesting idea In-Reply-To: <20030126220949.5730f962.aheath@clikmail.net> References: <20030126220949.5730f962.aheath@clikmail.net> Message-ID: <200301262222.06296.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Seconded, I've only seen it for a few minutes, but I wa amazed! Mike. On Sunday 26 January 2003 22:09, Ashley Heath wrote: > Discovered Knoppix about a week ago and have been looking further into = it, > for those who don't know what it is, it is a Debian based distro that r= uns > completely from CD. It really is quite impressive, when it boots it > autodetetcts and configures all your hardware and lauches straight into= a > fully functioning KDE system with loads of common applications pre > installed and ready to run ie open office, koffice , mozilla , konquero= r > and many more Knoppix is ideal for introducing folk to Linux without go= ing > the whole hog and reformatting their box, gives them a chance to play w= ith > it at their leisure and get used to Linux. > > Knoppix is also customisable for anyone who wants to take up the challe= nge, > there is a CD re-mastering howto on the knoppix website. Basically you = can > create you own custom distro that runs from CD and does whatever you ne= ed. > Ideal for making rescue CD's, demo disks, custom installations etc > > May be a good base for your firewalling project Mike, what do you think= ? A > complete skipper system ready to run? Or maybe a system designed for > Amateur radio. > > http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemasteringHowto > > Knoppix can also be run from a network bootable pc and installed on a h= ard > disk if desired. > > Feel a project coming on > Ash > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 26 22:23:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Alan Blockley) Date: Sun Jan 26 22:23:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Knoppix - An interesting idea In-Reply-To: <200301262222.06296.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <000301c2c589$757af8e0$8205a8c0@aurigaonline.com> Hi I have had the Knoppix DVD for a few months now, and I was impressed... I think i used it for 2 or three nights jst playing with it. Everything eas fully functional. I was evening IRC'ing and ssh'ing from it ;) Am as happy as a pi in shitif I can IRC and SSH :) Alan -----Original Message----- From: sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:sderby-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Mini Mike Sent: 26 January 2003 22:22 To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Sderby] Knoppix - An interesting idea Seconded, I've only seen it for a few minutes, but I wa amazed! Mike. On Sunday 26 January 2003 22:09, Ashley Heath wrote: > Discovered Knoppix about a week ago and have been looking further into it, > for those who don't know what it is, it is a Debian based distro that runs > completely from CD. It really is quite impressive, when it boots it > autodetetcts and configures all your hardware and lauches straight into a > fully functioning KDE system with loads of common applications pre > installed and ready to run ie open office, koffice , mozilla , konqueror > and many more Knoppix is ideal for introducing folk to Linux without going > the whole hog and reformatting their box, gives them a chance to play with > it at their leisure and get used to Linux. > > Knoppix is also customisable for anyone who wants to take up the challenge, > there is a CD re-mastering howto on the knoppix website. Basically you can > create you own custom distro that runs from CD and does whatever you need. > Ideal for making rescue CD's, demo disks, custom installations etc > > May be a good base for your firewalling project Mike, what do you think? A > complete skipper system ready to run? Or maybe a system designed for > Amateur radio. > > http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemasteringHowto > > Knoppix can also be run from a network bootable pc and installed on a hard > disk if desired. > > Feel a project coming on > Ash > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl _______________________________________________ Sderby mailing list Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Jan 26 22:34:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill) Date: Sun Jan 26 22:34:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Knoppix - An interesting idea In-Reply-To: <200301262222.06296.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20030126220949.5730f962.aheath@clikmail.net> <200301262222.06296.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <1043620400.1741.4.camel@athlon.local> I've played too, very clever, a fully functional Linux system on a bootable CD. It's a shame the PCs at Moira don't have CD drives as this would be an ideal way of making the computer lab Linux compatible. David On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 22:22, Mini Mike wrote: > Seconded, I've only seen it for a few minutes, but I wa amazed! > > Mike. > > On Sunday 26 January 2003 22:09, Ashley Heath wrote: > > Discovered Knoppix about a week ago and have been looking further into it, > > for those who don't know what it is, it is a Debian based distro that runs > > completely from CD. It really is quite impressive, when it boots it > > autodetetcts and configures all your hardware and lauches straight into a > > fully functioning KDE system with loads of common applications pre > > installed and ready to run ie open office, koffice , mozilla , konqueror > > and many more Knoppix is ideal for introducing folk to Linux without going > > the whole hog and reformatting their box, gives them a chance to play with > > it at their leisure and get used to Linux. > > > > Knoppix is also customisable for anyone who wants to take up the challenge, > > there is a CD re-mastering howto on the knoppix website. Basically you can > > create you own custom distro that runs from CD and does whatever you need. > > Ideal for making rescue CD's, demo disks, custom installations etc > > > > May be a good base for your firewalling project Mike, what do you think? A > > complete skipper system ready to run? Or maybe a system designed for > > Amateur radio. > > > > http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemasteringHowto > > > > Knoppix can also be run from a network bootable pc and installed on a hard > > disk if desired. > > > > Feel a project coming on > > Ash > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sderby mailing list > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Jan 27 14:56:04 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Jak Carr) Date: Mon Jan 27 14:56:04 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Knoppix - An interesting idea In-Reply-To: <1043620400.1741.4.camel@athlon.local> References: <20030126220949.5730f962.aheath@clikmail.net> <200301262222.06296.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <1043620400.1741.4.camel@athlon.local> Message-ID: <1043679261.24867.4487.camel@newmedia02-2> David Having messed around a little with remote boot pc's in the past, I started looking at EtherBoot, PXE, PXELinux etc, then spotted this: http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3&highlight=pxe Untried, but if it works, gets around the CD problem. It looks like people are seeing different levels of success tho... No changing the local HDD, no worries with CD, just find out what NIC's are in the PC's, get the relevant dsk and away... heh. Admittedly, this is all a bit rich coming from someone that hasn't even SEEN the lab... so apologies as applic.... ;-) Hope this is of some use. Jak On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 22:33, David Bottrill wrote: > I've played too, very clever, a fully functional Linux system on a > bootable CD. It's a shame the PCs at Moira don't have CD drives as this > would be an ideal way of making the computer lab Linux compatible. > > David > > > On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 22:22, Mini Mike wrote: > > Seconded, I've only seen it for a few minutes, but I wa amazed! > > > > Mike. > > > > On Sunday 26 January 2003 22:09, Ashley Heath wrote: > > > Discovered Knoppix about a week ago and have been looking further into it, > > > for those who don't know what it is, it is a Debian based distro that runs > > > completely from CD. It really is quite impressive, when it boots it > > > autodetetcts and configures all your hardware and lauches straight into a > > > fully functioning KDE system with loads of common applications pre > > > installed and ready to run ie open office, koffice , mozilla , konqueror > > > and many more Knoppix is ideal for introducing folk to Linux without going > > > the whole hog and reformatting their box, gives them a chance to play with > > > it at their leisure and get used to Linux. > > > > > > Knoppix is also customisable for anyone who wants to take up the challenge, > > > there is a CD re-mastering howto on the knoppix website. Basically you can > > > create you own custom distro that runs from CD and does whatever you need. > > > Ideal for making rescue CD's, demo disks, custom installations etc > > > > > > May be a good base for your firewalling project Mike, what do you think? A > > > complete skipper system ready to run? Or maybe a system designed for > > > Amateur radio. > > > > > > http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemasteringHowto > > > > > > Knoppix can also be run from a network bootable pc and installed on a hard > > > disk if desired. > > > > > > Feel a project coming on > > > Ash > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sderby mailing list > > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sderby mailing list > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Jan 27 18:41:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ian Simpson) Date: Mon Jan 27 18:41:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Knoppix - An interesting idea In-Reply-To: <1043620400.1741.4.camel@athlon.local> References: <20030126220949.5730f962.aheath@clikmail.net> <200301262222.06296.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <1043620400.1741.4.camel@athlon.local> Message-ID: <200301271841230390.0297853A@relay.clara.net> Sounds neat - anyone got a copy I can play with? Trying to download 700MB with my little 56k modem is not the sort of challenge I look forward to :-/ On 26/01/2003 at 22:33 you wrote: >I've played too, very clever, a fully functional Linux system on a >bootable CD. It's a shame the PCs at Moira don't have CD drives as this >would be an ideal way of making the computer lab Linux compatible. > >David Regards, Ian iansimpson@clara.co.uk http://home.clara.net/iansimpson From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Jan 27 22:16:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Russ) Date: Mon Jan 27 22:16:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] i need a house call References: <000a01c2c330$40b2a050$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> <20030124221901.41569703.aheath@clikmail.net> <008301c2c52c$537effa0$0100a8c0@pc2> Message-ID: <002301c2c651$a88982b0$5de86451@phebes1vznocwg> Many thanks for your offer, ive already got a ride i sorted it next day. Thanks Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Sderby] i need a house call > Hi Russ > > Where do you live. I may be able to give you a lift to the 2nd Feb meeting. > > Andre > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Heath" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Sderby] i need a house call > > > > Hi Russ, > > > > Rather than a house call why not come along to the next LUG meeting on the > 2nd Feb where you could have several helping hands. We would all be glad to > answer any questions or help where we can. > > > > Ash > > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2003 22:39:12 -0000 > > "Russ" wrote: > > > > > i could do with a house call to show me what im not doing or not doing > right, i want to be able to use Linux for online gaming. is there anyone > that can spare a little time to help me out. > > > > > > thanks Russ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sderby mailing list > > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 28 11:52:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath) Date: Tue Jan 28 11:52:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Knoppix - An interesting idea In-Reply-To: <200301271841230390.0297853A@relay.clara.net> References: <20030126220949.5730f962.aheath@clikmail.net> <200301262222.06296.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <1043620400.1741.4.camel@athlon.local> <200301271841230390.0297853A@relay.clara.net> Message-ID: <20030127191350.70a3fd65.aheath@clikmail.net> I'll bring a couple of copies to the next LUG meeting, are you coming along. Ash On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:41:23 +0000 "Ian Simpson" wrote: > > Sounds neat - anyone got a copy I can play with? Trying to > download 700MB with my little 56k modem is not the sort of > challenge I look forward to :-/ > > > On 26/01/2003 at 22:33 you wrote: > > >I've played too, very clever, a fully functional Linux system > on a > >bootable CD. It's a shame the PCs at Moira don't have CD drives > as this > >would be an ideal way of making the computer lab Linux > compatible. > > > >David > > > Regards, > > Ian > iansimpson@clara.co.uk > > http://home.clara.net/iansimpson > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 28 18:17:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Tue Jan 28 18:17:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] IRC Message-ID: <200301281820.13851.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> See you all at 21:00. Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 28 18:22:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Tue Jan 28 18:22:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Next meetings Message-ID: <200301281824.50154.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Does anyone have any ideas for demos they'd like to see at future meeting= s or=20 does anyone have any offers of demos? I'd like to get meetings planned i= n=20 advance so that we can advertise them on the web. Hopfully if people can= see=20 what we are doing it might prompt them to attend. Personally I would be=20 interested in demos of MySQL, email systems and CGI programming to name a= =20 few. Mike. From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 28 19:48:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Peter Hughes) Date: Tue Jan 28 19:48:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] IRC In-Reply-To: <200301281820.13851.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030128194636.00bbaf68@pop.freeserve.net> At 18:20 28/01/2003,Mini Mike wrote: >See you all at 21:00. Will anyone still be around at 9.45. I have to pick my dauhter up from gymnastics in Burton at 9.00. Peter From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Jan 28 19:56:02 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mini Mike) Date: Tue Jan 28 19:56:02 2003 Subject: [Sderby] IRC In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030128194636.00bbaf68@pop.freeserve.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20030128194636.00bbaf68@pop.freeserve.net> Message-ID: <200301281959.16673.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> Should be, doesn't end til late. Mike. On Tuesday 28 January 2003 19:47, Peter Hughes wrote: > At 18:20 28/01/2003,Mini Mike wrote: > >See you all at 21:00. > > Will anyone still be around at 9.45. I have to pick my dauhter up from > gymnastics in Burton at 9.00. > > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Jan 29 07:25:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ian Simpson) Date: Wed Jan 29 07:25:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Knoppix - An interesting idea In-Reply-To: <20030127191350.70a3fd65.aheath@clikmail.net> References: <20030126220949.5730f962.aheath@clikmail.net> <200301262222.06296.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <1043620400.1741.4.camel@athlon.local> <200301271841230390.0297853A@relay.clara.net> <20030127191350.70a3fd65.aheath@clikmail.net> Message-ID: <200301290726260060.0042383D@relay.clara.net> Unfortunately the meetings always seem to clash with the fortnightly visits from my fiancee so unless one of you chaps has better legs and is a better kisser, there's no prizes for guessing where I'd rather be ;-) Can you drop a copy in the post? I'll refund P&P and make a donation to your long-term study into alcohol abuse :-). On 27/01/2003 at 19:13 you wrote: >I'll bring a couple of copies to the next LUG meeting, are you coming >along. > >Ash > >On Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:41:23 +0000 >"Ian Simpson" wrote: > >> >> Sounds neat - anyone got a copy I can play with? Trying to >> download 700MB with my little 56k modem is not the sort of >> challenge I look forward to :-/ >> >> >> On 26/01/2003 at 22:33 you wrote: >> >> >I've played too, very clever, a fully functional Linux system >> on a >> >bootable CD. It's a shame the PCs at Moira don't have CD drives >> as this >> >would be an ideal way of making the computer lab Linux >> compatible. >> > >> >David Regards, Ian iansimpson@clara.co.uk http://home.clara.net/iansimpson From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 30 11:58:00 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Damien Sandras) Date: Thu Jan 30 11:58:00 2003 Subject: [Sderby] Invitation to FOSDEM 2003 Message-ID: Hi, The purpose of this e-mail is to invite you to attend to the 3rd edition of FOSDEM. This edition will take place on the 8th and 9th of February 2003 in Brussels (see http://www.fosdem.org for more info). The previous editions encountered a huge success. More than 1600 people attended to presentations given by well-known speakers such as Richard Stallman, Miguel De Icaza, DJ Adams, Philip Hazel in 2002, and FOSDEM 2003 will try to be even more successful thanks to numerous presentations done by programmers of leading Open Source and Free Software projects. This year, will be present (in alphabetical order): Ann Harrison - Firebird : an Open Source database based on the InterBase(r) Brian King - Mozilla Bruce Momjian - PostgreSQL Core Developer Bruno Coudoin - Author of GCompris Clif Flynt - Tcl/Tk Damien Sandras - GnomeMeeting author David Axmark - MySQL developer David Faure - KDE Core Developer Guenter Bartsch - Author of xine Harald Welte - Member of the Netfilter Core Team Havoc Pennington - GNOME Foundation, Free Standards Hilaire Fernandes - Author of DrGenius Jakub Steiner - Author of many of the GTK 2.x stock icons, Gimp tutorial Jon 'Maddog' Hall - Executive Director of Linux International Julian Smart - Author of wxWindows Michael Meeks - GNOME Core developer Owen Taylor - Maintainer of GTK+ Raphael Hertzog - Author of Debian-Edu Richard M Stallman - Leader of the FSF Solar Designer - Author of Openwall GNU/*/Linux Thomas Vander Stichele - GStreamer Developer Yoann Vandoorselaere & Laurent Oudot - Prelude-IDS authors And many others, ... Several Free or Open Source Software projects have decided to hold a meeting during FOSDEM. It is a great occasion to meet core developers from GNOME, GNUstep, KDE, Mozilla, embedded software and PostgreSQL. Moreover, the Free Software Award will be handed out during the FOSDEM 2003 by Richard Stallman and other members from the Free Software Foundation. FOSDEM's goal is to provide Free Software and Open Source developers and communities the opportunity to learn and discuss the latest developments in the Free and Open Source arena and to promote the development of Free and Open Source solutions. The speakers mainly talk about technologies and make technical speeches. The event is totally free, but we encourage you to support FOSDEM if you appreciate the event and want it to continue in the same spirit. More information about the FOSDEM support operation at: http://www.fosdem.org/index/support/ We hope to see you there. -- FOSDEM 2003 Damien Sandras Community Contact From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 30 11:58:17 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (dmess0r) Date: Thu Jan 30 11:58:17 2003 Subject: (Question) Re: [Sderby] Disabling mouse pointer Message-ID: <1043910613.1586.196.camel@dendrite.eleet.st> I was curious if you had any luck disabling that mouse pointer. I am trying to setup XFree86 here doing the same thing, and am having 0 luck. Any notes, or ideas or anything would be appreciated. Thanks. -- dmess0r From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Jan 30 22:42:35 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill) Date: Thu Jan 30 22:42:35 2003 Subject: (Question) Re: [Sderby] Disabling mouse pointer In-Reply-To: <1043910613.1586.196.camel@dendrite.eleet.st> References: <1043910613.1586.196.camel@dendrite.eleet.st> Message-ID: <1043965913.1738.2.camel@athlon.local> On Thu, 2003-01-30 at 07:10, dmess0r wrote: > I was curious if you had any luck disabling that mouse pointer. I am > trying to setup XFree86 here doing the same thing, and am having 0 > luck. Any notes, or ideas or anything would be appreciated. Thanks. I never took it any further at the time although I remember doing a bit of research on XFree, but I can't remember the outcome. When I get back to my digital picture frame and hopefully sort it will let you know. -- David Bottrill From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 31 14:41:31 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Fri Jan 31 14:41:31 2003 Subject: [Sderby] meeting tonight Message-ID: <1044024011.3e3a8acbf0970@webmail.freedom2surf.net> is anyone going to be at the babington arms tonight?? ian ------------------------------------------------- Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 31 16:38:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill) Date: Fri Jan 31 16:38:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] meeting tonight Message-ID: <20030131163715.RZXE22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.61]> Roger, Mike and myself will be there, I daresay Dave Jolloey will be there too. David Bottrill > > From: slh@f2s.com > Date: 2003/01/31 Fri PM 02:40:11 GMT > To: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: [Sderby] meeting tonight > > is anyone going to be at the babington arms tonight?? > > ian > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sderby mailing list > Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby > Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/ > wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl > From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Jan 31 17:11:01 2003 From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Jolley) Date: Fri Jan 31 17:11:01 2003 Subject: [Sderby] meeting tonight In-Reply-To: <20030131163715.RZXE22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.61]> References: <20030131163715.RZXE22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.61]> Message-ID: <20030131171027.GK17757@lucien> * David Bottrill (david.bottrill@ntlworld.com) wrote: > Roger, Mike and myself will be there, I daresay Dave Jolloey will be there too. > I dare say I'll make an appearance, yes. As long as the ATM gives me some money... Cheers, Dave. -- Welcome to Rivendell, Mr Anderson.