From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Mar 6 22:24:03 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (stuart.marshall4)
Date: Thu Mar 6 22:24:03 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Help!!!
Message-ID: <000e01c2e42b$eea347c0$6401a8c0@k0w2m4>
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Hi all
I have screwed up my laptop you know the one we spent all Sunday =
getting to work!
Have the same problem gets to log in screen then hangs wrong display =
driver ?
have found on the internet some one who has same laptop and has red hat =
running and has posted setting for screen etc.. But need to get in to =
edit it think I can use vi ? don't know how to get to sections I need.
this is the file
# See 'man XF86Config' for info on the format of this file
Section "Files"
RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
FontPath "unix/:-1"
EndSection
Section "ServerFlags"
EndSection
Section "Keyboard"
Protocol "Standard"
AutoRepeat 500 30
LeftAlt Meta
RightAlt Meta
ScrollLock Compose
RightCtl Control
XkbRules "xfree86"
XkbModel "pc105"
XkbLayout "fr"
EndSection
Section "Pointer"
Protocol "PS/2"
Device "/dev/psaux"
Emulate3Timeout 50
Resolution 100
Buttons 3
Emulate3Buttons
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "LCD Panel"
VendorName "ASUS"
ModelName "1024x768"
HorizSync 31.5-57.5
VertRefresh 55-80
# 640x480 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync - DOESN'T WORK
# Modeline "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 =
525
# 800x600 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync - DOESN'T WORK
# Modeline "800x600" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 =
628 +hsync +vsync
# 1024x768 @ 70 Hz, 56.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768" 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 =
-hsync -vsync
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "Lynx"
VendorName "Silicon Motion"
BoardName "SMI 910"
EndSection
# The Color SVGA server
Section "Screen"
Driver "SVGA"
Device "Lynx"
Monitor "LCD Panel"
Subsection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768"
EndSubsection
EndSection
# The Frame Buffer server
Section "Screen"
Driver "FBDev"
Device "Lynx"
Monitor "LCD Panel"
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "default"
EndSubSection
EndSection
Stuart Marshall
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Hi all
I have screwed up my laptop you =
know the=20
one we spent all Sunday getting to work!
Have the same problem gets to log =
in screen=20
then hangs wrong display driver ?
have found on the internet some =
one who has=20
same laptop and has red hat running and has posted setting for screen =
etc.. But=20
need to get in to edit it think I can use vi ? don't know how to =
get to=20
sections I need.
this is the file
# See 'man XF86Config' for info on the =
format of this file
Section "Files"
RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
FontPath "unix/:-1"
EndSection
Section "ServerFlags"
EndSection
Section "Keyboard"
Protocol "Standard"
AutoRepeat 500 30
LeftAlt Meta
RightAlt Meta
ScrollLock Compose
RightCtl Control
XkbRules "xfree86"
XkbModel "pc105"
XkbLayout "fr"
EndSection
Section "Pointer"
Protocol "PS/2"
Device "/dev/psaux"
Emulate3Timeout 50
Resolution 100
Buttons 3
Emulate3Buttons
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "LCD Panel"
VendorName "ASUS"
ModelName "1024x768"
HorizSync 31.5-57.5
VertRefresh 55-80
# 640x480 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync - DOESN'T WORK
# Modeline "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 =
525
# 800x600 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync - DOESN'T WORK
# Modeline "800x600" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 =
628 +hsync +vsync
# 1024x768 @ 70 Hz, 56.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768" 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 =
-hsync -vsync
EndSection
Section "Device"
Identifier "Lynx"
VendorName "Silicon Motion"
BoardName "SMI 910"
EndSection
# The Color SVGA server
Section "Screen"
Driver "SVGA"
Device "Lynx"
Monitor "LCD Panel"
Subsection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1024x768"
EndSubsection
EndSection
# The Frame Buffer server
Section "Screen"
Driver "FBDev"
Device "Lynx"
Monitor "LCD Panel"
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "default"
EndSubSection
EndSection
Stuart Marshall
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From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Mar 6 23:39:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (scott)
Date: Thu Mar 6 23:39:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Help!!!
In-Reply-To: <000e01c2e42b$eea347c0$6401a8c0@k0w2m4>
References: <000e01c2e42b$eea347c0$6401a8c0@k0w2m4>
Message-ID: <200303062346.30746.scott@number59.kicks-ass.net>
Hi=20
firstley log onto a console as root and cd to /etc/X11/ . Then look fo=
r=20
your XF86Conrig file. This could be named differently depending on which=20
version of XFree you are useing or which distrobution you have installed.=
for=20
instance it might be called XF86Config for anything version 3 or under or=
=20
XF86Config-4 for version 4 so then type, vim [what ever you XF86Config i=
s=20
realy called]. you can use vi but i fond vim easer. use the "insert" butt=
on=20
to enable you to type and to save prese escape a couple of times and then=
=20
":wq" (this should appear near the bottom) or just ":q" to quit.=20
make the changes as nessary. the file you attached looks like a version =
4=20
config file to me, but you`ll have to compare it witht he one you have.
good luck
scott
On Thursday 06 March 2003 10:01 pm, stuart.marshall4 wrote:
> Hi all
> I have screwed up my laptop you know the one we spent all Sunday getti=
ng
> to work! Have the same problem gets to log in screen then hangs wrong
> display driver ? have found on the internet some one who has same lapto=
p
> and has red hat running and has posted setting for screen etc.. But nee=
d to
> get in to edit it think I can use vi ? don't know how to get to sectio=
ns I
> need. this is the file
>
> # See 'man XF86Config' for info on the format of this file
>
> Section "Files"
> RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
> FontPath "unix/:-1"
> EndSection
>
> Section "ServerFlags"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Keyboard"
> Protocol "Standard"
> AutoRepeat 500 30
> LeftAlt Meta
> RightAlt Meta
> ScrollLock Compose
> RightCtl Control
> XkbRules "xfree86"
> XkbModel "pc105"
> XkbLayout "fr"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Pointer"
> Protocol "PS/2"
> Device "/dev/psaux"
> Emulate3Timeout 50
> Resolution 100
> Buttons 3
> Emulate3Buttons
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
> Identifier "LCD Panel"
> VendorName "ASUS"
> ModelName "1024x768"
> HorizSync 31.5-57.5
> VertRefresh 55-80
> # 640x480 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync - DOESN'T WORK
> # Modeline "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 =
525
> # 800x600 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync - DOESN'T WORK
> # Modeline "800x600" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 =
628
> +hsync +vsync # 1024x768 @ 70 Hz, 56.5 kHz hsync
> Modeline "1024x768" 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 80=
6
> -hsync -vsync EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
> Identifier "Lynx"
> VendorName "Silicon Motion"
> BoardName "SMI 910"
> EndSection
>
> # The Color SVGA server
>
> Section "Screen"
> Driver "SVGA"
> Device "Lynx"
> Monitor "LCD Panel"
> Subsection "Display"
> Depth 16
> Modes "1024x768"
> EndSubsection
> EndSection
>
> # The Frame Buffer server
>
> Section "Screen"
> Driver "FBDev"
> Device "Lynx"
> Monitor "LCD Panel"
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 16
> Modes "default"
> EndSubSection
> EndSection
>
>
> Stuart Marshall
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 7 09:43:02 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk)
Date: Fri Mar 7 09:43:02 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Pub?
Message-ID: <1047030134.3e6869761b456@webmail.freedom2surf.net>
is anyone going tonight? well, if you are, see you there.
ian
-------------------------------------------------
Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 7 14:33:02 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Jolley)
Date: Fri Mar 7 14:33:02 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Pub?
In-Reply-To: <1047030134.3e6869761b456@webmail.freedom2surf.net>
References: <1047030134.3e6869761b456@webmail.freedom2surf.net>
Message-ID: <20030307143226.GB26886@lucien>
* slh@f2s.com (slh@f2s.com) wrote:
> is anyone going tonight? well, if you are, see you there.
>
Yup, I'll be going - which makes a pleasant change, February was a
slightly difficult month for me :)
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Imagination abandoned by reason produces impossible monsters;
united with her, she is the mother of the arts.
-- Goya.
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Mar 9 17:05:01 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (nfmartin@talkgas.net)
Date: Sun Mar 9 17:05:01 2003
Subject: [Sderby] usb modem and SUSE 8.1
In-Reply-To: <20030227125408.DCE26461D7@compaq.mydomain>
References:
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20030309170131.009f8890@pop.talkgas.net>
Thanks James for the tip about MODEM but it didn't make ant
difference. Logging as root or a user doesn't make any difference either.
At 12:54 27/02/03 +0000, you wrote:
>Probably can't help much as I've never used kinternet (or SUSE
>come to that), but -
>
>Does kinternet consistently fail when run both as root and under
>a standard id?
>
>If you know the device name of your modem, it might be worth
>setting MODEM to this before starting kinternet to see what
>happens, ie:
>
> export MODEM=/dev/whatever
> kinternet
>
>.. it's quite likely that /dev/modem is symlinked to the modem
>device, so if you aren't sure, try using that.
>
>James
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Mar 12 18:21:02 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mike Hemstock)
Date: Wed Mar 12 18:21:02 2003
Subject: [Sderby] The problem...
Message-ID: <200303121820.27771.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
Dear all,
I am trying to connect a Linux desktop to a corperate network (ask no=20
questions!) There are windblows file and print servers as well as an m$=20
(virus) exchange server. The windblows shares can be accessed via Samba =
and=20
the (virus) exchange server can be access via IMAP and LDAP. The problem=
is=20
that I want to be able to automount the shares at boot time/KDE logon and=
=20
save the IMAP password. Nornally this is delt with via NT Challenge/Resp=
onse=20
from the windblows client. However, now it's all stored in config files,=
so=20
when I change my password I have to change the password for my mailbox,=20
public folders, LDAP and the smb mounts. I get the machine to validate l=
ogon=20
to the windblows DC via pam_smb. However, the question is: Is it possbil=
e to=20
get the varous programs (mail client, smbmount. etc) to get the password=20
validated at logon and automatically present that to whatever may require=
it? =20
Hope this all makes sence!
Mike.
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Mar 12 23:47:01 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill)
Date: Wed Mar 12 23:47:01 2003
Subject: [Sderby] The problem...
In-Reply-To: <200303121820.27771.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <200303121820.27771.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1047512792.1716.4.camel@athlon.local>
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 18:20, Mike Hemstock wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am trying to connect a Linux desktop to a corperate network (ask no
> questions!) There are windblows file and print servers as well as an m$
> (virus) exchange server. The windblows shares can be accessed via Samba and
> the (virus) exchange server can be access via IMAP and LDAP. The problem is
> that I want to be able to automount the shares at boot time/KDE logon and
> save the IMAP password. Nornally this is delt with via NT Challenge/Response
> from the windblows client. However, now it's all stored in config files, so
> when I change my password I have to change the password for my mailbox,
> public folders, LDAP and the smb mounts. I get the machine to validate logon
> to the windblows DC via pam_smb. However, the question is: Is it possbile to
> get the varous programs (mail client, smbmount. etc) to get the password
> validated at logon and automatically present that to whatever may require it?
> Hope this all makes sence!
>
> Mike.
I think Pam is your friend.
--
David Bottrill
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Mar 12 23:53:01 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Jolley)
Date: Wed Mar 12 23:53:01 2003
Subject: [Sderby] The problem...
In-Reply-To: <1047512792.1716.4.camel@athlon.local>
References: <200303121820.27771.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <1047512792.1716.4.camel@athlon.local>
Message-ID: <20030312235245.GJ4341@lucien>
* David Bottrill (david.bottrill@ntlworld.com) wrote:
> I think Pam is your friend.
>
'cept PAM is only a password authenticator, it can't present
authentication tokens to other servers/services. You want Kerberos
for that, and as we all know, Microsoft embraced and extended Kerberos
so standard kerberos clients wouldn't work with it.
But, admittedly, I am slightly out of my depth here.
Nice play on words, though :)
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Imagination abandoned by reason produces impossible monsters;
united with her, she is the mother of the arts.
-- Goya.
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Mar 13 17:11:02 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mike Hemstock)
Date: Thu Mar 13 17:11:02 2003
Subject: [Sderby] The problem...
In-Reply-To: <1047512792.1716.4.camel@athlon.local>
References: <200303121820.27771.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk> <1047512792.1716.4.camel@athlon.local>
Message-ID: <200303131709.51790.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
I don't think she'd know - she's a DBA!
On Wednesday 12 March 2003 23:46, David Bottrill wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 18:20, Mike Hemstock wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I am trying to connect a Linux desktop to a corperate network (ask no
> > questions!) There are windblows file and print servers as well as an=
m$
> > (virus) exchange server. The windblows shares can be accessed via Sa=
mba
> > and the (virus) exchange server can be access via IMAP and LDAP. The
> > problem is that I want to be able to automount the shares at boot
> > time/KDE logon and save the IMAP password. Nornally this is delt wit=
h
> > via NT Challenge/Response from the windblows client. However, now it=
's
> > all stored in config files, so when I change my password I have to ch=
ange
> > the password for my mailbox, public folders, LDAP and the smb mounts.=
I
> > get the machine to validate logon to the windblows DC via pam_smb.=20
> > However, the question is: Is it possbile to get the varous programs (=
mail
> > client, smbmount. etc) to get the password validated at logon and
> > automatically present that to whatever may require it? Hope this all
> > makes sence!
> >
> > Mike.
>
> I think Pam is your friend.
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Mar 13 21:03:02 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill)
Date: Thu Mar 13 21:03:02 2003
Subject: [Sderby] The problem...
In-Reply-To: <200303131709.51790.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <200303121820.27771.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
<1047512792.1716.4.camel@athlon.local>
<200303131709.51790.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1047589336.1720.1.camel@athlon.local>
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 17:09, Mike Hemstock wrote:
> I don't think she'd know - she's a DBA!
> > >
> > > Mike.
> >
> > I think Pam is your friend.
It's alright guys, it's an in joke, Mike's boss is a DBA named Pam!!
--
David Bottrill
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 14 19:02:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mike Hemstock)
Date: Fri Mar 14 19:02:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Sunday
Message-ID: <200303141901.15545.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
To those who plan to attend on Sunday,
We are planning to do a demonstration of the Linux Terminal Server Projec=
t. =20
Anyone who is planning to bring a machine, dig out the oldest piece of ki=
t=20
you can find, goto www.rom-o-matic.com and follow the instrutions for=20
creating a boot floppy (or BootROM if you happen to have the kit.) and yo=
u=20
can become a part of it! You'll of course need a network card and some C=
at5. =20
Anyone who can bring a fast switch - we would be grateful.
Mike.
NB: "Oldest piece of kit" means 486/66 with half decent video card or lat=
er. =20
It DOES NOT mean: Intel 80086, Commodore PET or IBM Mainframe. You peopl=
e=20
know who you are :-)
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 14 20:11:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ashley Heath)
Date: Fri Mar 14 20:11:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Sunday
In-Reply-To: <200303141901.15545.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <200303141901.15545.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20030314201106.1fccc41f.aheath@clikmail.net>
Bugger, would really liked to have seen that, but don't think I will be able to make it this Sunday.
Sorry,
Ash
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:01:15 +0000
Mike Hemstock wrote:
> To those who plan to attend on Sunday,
>
> We are planning to do a demonstration of the Linux Terminal Server Project.
> Anyone who is planning to bring a machine, dig out the oldest piece of kit
> you can find, goto www.rom-o-matic.com and follow the instrutions for
> creating a boot floppy (or BootROM if you happen to have the kit.) and you
> can become a part of it! You'll of course need a network card and some Cat5.
> Anyone who can bring a fast switch - we would be grateful.
>
> Mike.
>
> NB: "Oldest piece of kit" means 486/66 with half decent video card or later.
> It DOES NOT mean: Intel 80086, Commodore PET or IBM Mainframe. You people
> know who you are :-)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sderby mailing list
> Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk
> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby
> Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/
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>
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Mar 15 14:28:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill)
Date: Sat Mar 15 14:28:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Sunday
In-Reply-To: <200303141901.15545.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <200303141901.15545.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1047738469.1810.10.camel@athlon.local>
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 19:01, Mike Hemstock wrote:
> To those who plan to attend on Sunday,
>
> We are planning to do a demonstration of the Linux Terminal Server Project.
> Anyone who is planning to bring a machine, dig out the oldest piece of kit
> you can find, goto www.rom-o-matic.com and follow the instrutions for
> creating a boot floppy (or BootROM if you happen to have the kit.) and you
> can become a part of it! You'll of course need a network card and some Cat5.
> Anyone who can bring a fast switch - we would be grateful.
>
Guys
If you want to download a boot image I would recommend version 5.1.3
www.rom-o-matic.com/5.1.3 I know this version works correctly I'm not so
sure about 5.0.8,9 or 5.1.7.
I will be bringing along a LTSP server running on an Athlon XP1800
processor with SuSE 8.1 and 1 or 2 lowish spec boxes without hard discs.
I will bring along a 10BaseT hub, but if anyone has a spare 100BaseT
switch the performance will be far snappier as thin-client computing
relies on sending small packets of data very often.
--
David Bottrill
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Mar 16 11:54:01 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight)
Date: Sun Mar 16 11:54:01 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Meeting Today
Message-ID: <200303161146.36859.dom@overseal.uklinux.net>
Any chance of someone bringing along a soldering iron?
Cheers,
Dom
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Mar 16 23:51:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (James Gibbon)
Date: Sun Mar 16 23:51:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] The problem...
In-Reply-To: david.bottrill's message of 13 Mar 2003 21:02:17 +0000.
<1047589336.1720.1.camel@athlon.local>
Message-ID: <200303132215.h2DMFX6o014051@localhost.localdomain>
David Bottrill wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 17:09, Mike Hemstock wrote:
> > I don't think she'd know - she's a DBA!
> > > >
> > > > Mike.
> > >
> > > I think Pam is your friend.
> It's alright guys, it's an in joke, Mike's boss is a DBA named Pam!!
>
I guessed
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Mar 19 21:33:01 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mike Hemstock)
Date: Wed Mar 19 21:33:01 2003
Subject: [Sderby] St. Peter's Church
Message-ID: <200303192132.14026.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
Folks,
St. Peter's Church, Derby have recently put in a request to EDS for help =
in=20
setting up a new IT suite. They want to have a number of PCs for use by =
the=20
communitry, mainly the local children. Dave Bottrill, myself and a numbe=
r of=20
our work collegues have offered to help out on this.
Our proposed solution is to deploy a number of Thin Clients connecting to=
a=20
Linux Terminal Server. We also want to bring a number of existing PCs on=
to=20
the LAN, deploy a couple of printers and broadband internet. As well as=20
providing a CD Writer and Digital camera.
EDS can provide the PCs, firewall and networking gear. However, as our k=
it is=20
mostly office desktops, they aren't really upto acting as a Terminal Serv=
er. =20
Also, we need to get the room networked and powered on a shoe string budg=
et.
That's where you kind soles come in! Although we need some powerful kit =
for=20
the Terminal Server, this is only limited to Processor, Motherboard, Memo=
ry=20
and Hard Disk. The rest won't really be touched so don't need to be of s=
uch=20
a high spec. Therefore, I am asking for donations of the following:
* Video Card
* Case
* PSU
* 100Mbps Network card
* Floppy Drive
* Keyboard
* Mouse
* Monitor
Additionally, the room requires trunking, with power and Cat 5 running=20
through. Would anyone be able to provide:
* Trunking
* Real of Cat 5
* RJ45 face plates
* Plug sockets
* Power cable
* Qualified labour to fix the above (mainly the power)
All help would be greatly appreciated (especially because we want to touc=
h=20
these people up for a Linux Demo Day venue :-)
Thanks again,
Mike.
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Mar 20 23:59:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Russ)
Date: Thu Mar 20 23:59:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] St. Peter's Church
References: <200303192132.14026.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000501c2ef3c$bd83c180$82e86451@phebes>
Mike,
Im unable to help you on providing hardware, supplies but i can give you my
time as it would help me towards my A+.
If needed please forward me the when and times.
Thanks Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hemstock"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 9:32 PM
Subject: [Sderby] St. Peter's Church
Folks,
St. Peter's Church, Derby have recently put in a request to EDS for help in
setting up a new IT suite. They want to have a number of PCs for use by the
communitry, mainly the local children. Dave Bottrill, myself and a number
of
our work collegues have offered to help out on this.
Our proposed solution is to deploy a number of Thin Clients connecting to a
Linux Terminal Server. We also want to bring a number of existing PCs onto
the LAN, deploy a couple of printers and broadband internet. As well as
providing a CD Writer and Digital camera.
EDS can provide the PCs, firewall and networking gear. However, as our kit
is
mostly office desktops, they aren't really upto acting as a Terminal Server.
Also, we need to get the room networked and powered on a shoe string budget.
That's where you kind soles come in! Although we need some powerful kit for
the Terminal Server, this is only limited to Processor, Motherboard, Memory
and Hard Disk. The rest won't really be touched so don't need to be of such
a high spec. Therefore, I am asking for donations of the following:
* Video Card
* Case
* PSU
* 100Mbps Network card
* Floppy Drive
* Keyboard
* Mouse
* Monitor
Additionally, the room requires trunking, with power and Cat 5 running
through. Would anyone be able to provide:
* Trunking
* Real of Cat 5
* RJ45 face plates
* Plug sockets
* Power cable
* Qualified labour to fix the above (mainly the power)
All help would be greatly appreciated (especially because we want to touch
these people up for a Linux Demo Day venue :-)
Thanks again,
Mike.
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From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 21 00:04:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Chris)
Date: Fri Mar 21 00:04:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] St. Peter's Church
References: <200303192132.14026.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3E7A573D.9020607@ntlworld.com>
Mike - I have some old kit knocking about:-
Serial Mouse
1mb Graphics Card (ISA I think)
A PCI card which I think is RJ45 (but might be a modem - never tried it
- no drivers)
Any use?
Chris
Mike Hemstock wrote:
>Folks,
>
>St. Peter's Church, Derby have recently put in a request to EDS for help in
>setting up a new IT suite. They want to have a number of PCs for use by the
>communitry, mainly the local children. Dave Bottrill, myself and a number of
>our work collegues have offered to help out on this.
>
>Our proposed solution is to deploy a number of Thin Clients connecting to a
>Linux Terminal Server. We also want to bring a number of existing PCs onto
>the LAN, deploy a couple of printers and broadband internet. As well as
>providing a CD Writer and Digital camera.
>
>EDS can provide the PCs, firewall and networking gear. However, as our kit is
>mostly office desktops, they aren't really upto acting as a Terminal Server.
>Also, we need to get the room networked and powered on a shoe string budget.
>
>That's where you kind soles come in! Although we need some powerful kit for
>the Terminal Server, this is only limited to Processor, Motherboard, Memory
>and Hard Disk. The rest won't really be touched so don't need to be of such
>a high spec. Therefore, I am asking for donations of the following:
>
>* Video Card
>* Case
>* PSU
>* 100Mbps Network card
>* Floppy Drive
>* Keyboard
>* Mouse
>* Monitor
>
>Additionally, the room requires trunking, with power and Cat 5 running
>through. Would anyone be able to provide:
>
>* Trunking
>* Real of Cat 5
>* RJ45 face plates
>* Plug sockets
>* Power cable
>* Qualified labour to fix the above (mainly the power)
>
>All help would be greatly appreciated (especially because we want to touch
>these people up for a Linux Demo Day venue :-)
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Mike.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Sderby mailing list
>Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk
>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby
>Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/
>wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
>
>
>
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Mar 23 18:24:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Bottrill)
Date: Sun Mar 23 18:24:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] I'm glad I run Linux !!
Message-ID: <1048443819.1712.5.camel@athlon.local>
I recommend you all read this, it will probably take you a couple of
hours, but it makes very interesting reading.
The article is very well written and researched.
http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit029.html
--
David Bottrill
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Mar 25 11:11:01 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Kris and Laura Adcock)
Date: Tue Mar 25 11:11:01 2003
Subject: [Sderby] For Sale
Message-ID: <3E7F66AD.6050802@danceswithferrets.org>
This may be abusing the facilities a bit - but it's computer, Derby and
*nix related ...
For Sale: a Silicon Graphics High Impact 10000 Workstation, complete
with high-quality 19" monitor (the kind with the built-in remote
control), nice mouse, keyboard, and cables. The computer is a lovely
burgundy/purple affair, and the monitor, keyboard and mouse are the
marble-effect type. Memory upgraded to it's fullest (I forget how much),
and 100 MB network card. Comes with cables, spare drive sled, an
external SCSI CD-ROM drive, and 'backups' (ahem) of the IRIX 6.5
Operating System.
When these first came out they cost SILLY money (in the tens of
thousands), and were the best machines for 3D, simulation, and high-end
processing work. This particular machine came from a games-development
house.
Kept in very good condition, apart from a scratch on the top of the
monitor, which occurred whilst trying to get it in my loft. Heaven alone
knows how I'll get it down without dropping it.
Anyway, this is one of those things that if you don't know all about it
then you won't be interested. But I thought I'd ask here on the
off-chance that someone has always wanted one. It is INCREDIBLY heavy,
and I'd rather attempt to sell it to someone in Derby or hereabouts
before I stick it on E-bay.
Cheers,
Toff.
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 28 09:16:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Alan Blockley)
Date: Fri Mar 28 09:16:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] *knock* *knock*
Message-ID: <000801c2f4fd$dad8cde0$8205a8c0@home.hiaclan.com>
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2F4FD.DA7E9FF0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HEllooooo
Anyone mind letting me back in. My .com addresses work now.
Alan
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2F4FD.DA7E9FF0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HEllooooo
Anyone mind letting me back in. =
My .com=20
addresses work now.
Alan
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2F4FD.DA7E9FF0--
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 28 09:19:05 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight)
Date: Fri Mar 28 09:19:05 2003
Subject: [Sderby] *knock* *knock*
In-Reply-To: <000801c2f4fd$dad8cde0$8205a8c0@home.hiaclan.com>
References: <000801c2f4fd$dad8cde0$8205a8c0@home.hiaclan.com>
Message-ID: <200303280926.42327.dom@overseal.uklinux.net>
On Friday 28 March 2003 07:44, Alan Blockley wrote:
> HEllooooo
>
> Anyone mind letting me back in. My .com addresses work now.
>
> Alan
Assume you mean me!=20
I have re-activated the auto dropped accounts at aurigaonline so=20
hopefully you should get mail sent their again.
Let me know if you don't get this one ;)
Dom.
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 28 09:54:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin)
Date: Fri Mar 28 09:54:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Leaving the area, seeds, and removal from mailing list.
Message-ID: <3E841BAC.1060607@ntlworld.com>
Hi folks. Just to let you know that I will be moving to South Wales in a
month or two (A place with a acre of woodland for less than the cost of
my current place)
(Current place for sale for £86,000 if anyone interested.)
Just wanted to say a big thank you to everyone who has helped me with
Linux, it has been a pleasure knowing such a friendly bunch. I hope you
will continue the fun and games of Linuxing the world. I shall see what
groups are around in Swansea area.
Also a big thank you to ? (very sorry I've forgotten your name) who
kindly gave me a load of seeds. They went to the following place. I keep
some, some went to friends, a lot went to one special needs school in
Long Eaton, some more to my sons school in Ockrook and more to a charity
in Nottingham. Many thanks from all those people and myself.
And finally, sadly would someone be so kind as to remove me from the
mailing list as I can't find instructions on how to.
Cheers to you all
Tony and David
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 28 21:00:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (mike)
Date: Fri Mar 28 21:00:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Leaving the area, seeds, and removal from mailing list.
References: <3E841BAC.1060607@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <3E84B79F.000007.00332@mike-hall>
Hi Tony,=0D
I hope that you and your Family will be very Happy in =0D
your new home in Wales, I am pleased that the seeds came in useful, I am
not sure if the club meetings are still at Moira =0D
All the Best Mike =0D
=0D
=0D
-------Original Message-------=0D
=0D
From: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk=0D
Date: 28 March 2003 09:53:55=0D
To: Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk=0D
Subject: [Sderby] Leaving the area, seeds, and removal from mailing list.=
=0D
=0D
Hi folks. Just to let you know that I will be moving to South Wales in a =
=0D
month or two (A place with a acre of woodland for less than the cost of =0D
my current place)=0D
(Current place for sale for =A386,000 if anyone interested.)=0D
=0D
Just wanted to say a big thank you to everyone who has helped me with =0D
Linux, it has been a pleasure knowing such a friendly bunch. I hope you =0D
will continue the fun and games of Linuxing the world. I shall see what =0D
groups are around in Swansea area.=0D
=0D
Also a big thank you to ? (very sorry I've forgotten your name) who =0D
kindly gave me a load of seeds. They went to the following place. I keep =
=0D
some, some went to friends, a lot went to one special needs school in =0D
Long Eaton, some more to my sons school in Ockrook and more to a charity =
=0D
in Nottingham. Many thanks from all those people and myself.=0D
=0D
And finally, sadly would someone be so kind as to remove me from the =0D
mailing list as I can't find instructions on how to.=0D
=0D
Cheers to you all=0D
=0D
Tony and David=0D
=0D
=0D
_______________________________________________=0D
Sderby mailing list=0D
Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk=0D
http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby=0D
Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/=0D
wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl=0D
=0D
=0D
=2E=20
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 28 21:30:01 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Frank)
Date: Fri Mar 28 21:30:01 2003
Subject: [Sderby] April fools day prank
Message-ID:
=============APRIL FOOL`S PRANK==============
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# 17 Different pranks to play on your mates.
# Call back feature (call back your victim if they hang up).
# Listen in to the prank as your victim is wound up.
INSTRUCTIONS:
1 Dial 0906 664 1901
2 Select the prank
3 Enter your victims phone number
4 Listen to their reaction as the computer dials out to them!
This service is new as from March 2003, and is superior to any other jokeline service available on the market. Calls cost one pound and fifty pence per minute, and last a few minutes. Service provider: TPX 0871 872 3731. This email was sent from outside the UK. You are not on any distribution list which is controlled by the service provider. Promotion code: xvbb
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 28 21:47:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Tony Martin)
Date: Fri Mar 28 21:47:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Leaving the area, seeds, and removal from mailing list.
In-Reply-To: <3E84B79F.000007.00332@mike-hall>
References: <3E841BAC.1060607@ntlworld.com> <3E84B79F.000007.00332@mike-hall>
Message-ID: <3E84C2A4.1010507@ntlworld.com>
Many thanks again Mike. All the best
Tony
mike wrote:
>Hi Tony,
>
>I hope that you and your Family will be very Happy in
>
>your new home in Wales, I am pleased that the seeds came in useful, I am
>not sure if the club meetings are still at Moira
>
>All the Best Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>-------Original Message-------
>
>
>
>From: sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk
>
>Date: 28 March 2003 09:53:55
>
>To: Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk
>
>Subject: [Sderby] Leaving the area, seeds, and removal from mailing list.
>
>
>
>Hi folks. Just to let you know that I will be moving to South Wales in a
>
>month or two (A place with a acre of woodland for less than the cost of
>
>my current place)
>
>(Current place for sale for £86,000 if anyone interested.)
>
>
>
>Just wanted to say a big thank you to everyone who has helped me with
>
>Linux, it has been a pleasure knowing such a friendly bunch. I hope you
>
>will continue the fun and games of Linuxing the world. I shall see what
>
>groups are around in Swansea area.
>
>
>
>Also a big thank you to ? (very sorry I've forgotten your name) who
>
>kindly gave me a load of seeds. They went to the following place. I keep
>
>some, some went to friends, a lot went to one special needs school in
>
>Long Eaton, some more to my sons school in Ockrook and more to a charity
>
>in Nottingham. Many thanks from all those people and myself.
>
>
>
>And finally, sadly would someone be so kind as to remove me from the
>
>mailing list as I can't find instructions on how to.
>
>
>
>Cheers to you all
>
>
>
>Tony and David
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>
>Sderby mailing list
>
>Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk
>
>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby
>
>Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/
>
>wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
>
>
>
>
>
>.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Sderby mailing list
>Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk
>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby
>Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/
>wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
>
>
>
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 28 22:50:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight)
Date: Fri Mar 28 22:50:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] April fools day prank
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <200303282257.27172.dom@overseal.uklinux.net>
On Friday 28 March 2003 21:29, Frank wrote:
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DAPRIL FOOL`S PRANK=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
This is SPAM. Not content with their spam rejection slips, looks like=20
someone discovered how to crash the mail list party.
Frank is not a member.
I will look into measures to exclude more of this junk.
Regards,
Dom.
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Mar 28 22:51:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Russ)
Date: Fri Mar 28 22:51:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] St. Peters church
Message-ID: <001801c2f572$efbd4270$82e86451@phebes>
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charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi mike,=20
Are you looking for help with putting this network together if so let me =
now.
Russ
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Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
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Hi mike,
Are you looking for help with putting =
this network=20
together if so let me now.
=20
Russ
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From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Mar 29 11:38:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mike Hemstock)
Date: Sat Mar 29 11:38:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Leaving the area, seeds, and removal from mailing list.
In-Reply-To: <3E841BAC.1060607@ntlworld.com>
References: <3E841BAC.1060607@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <200303291135.55417.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
All the best Tony.
Mike.
On Friday 28 March 2003 09:53, Tony Martin wrote:
> Hi folks. Just to let you know that I will be moving to South Wales in =
a
> month or two (A place with a acre of woodland for less than the cost of
> my current place)
> (Current place for sale for =A386,000 if anyone interested.)
>
> Just wanted to say a big thank you to everyone who has helped me with
> Linux, it has been a pleasure knowing such a friendly bunch. I hope you
> will continue the fun and games of Linuxing the world. I shall see what
> groups are around in Swansea area.
>
> Also a big thank you to ? (very sorry I've forgotten your name) who
> kindly gave me a load of seeds. They went to the following place. I kee=
p
> some, some went to friends, a lot went to one special needs school in
> Long Eaton, some more to my sons school in Ockrook and more to a charit=
y
> in Nottingham. Many thanks from all those people and myself.
>
> And finally, sadly would someone be so kind as to remove me from the
> mailing list as I can't find instructions on how to.
>
> Cheers to you all
>
> Tony and David
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sderby mailing list
> Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk
> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby
> Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/
> wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Mar 29 11:39:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mike Hemstock)
Date: Sat Mar 29 11:39:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] April fools day prank
In-Reply-To: <200303282257.27172.dom@overseal.uklinux.net>
References: <200303282257.27172.dom@overseal.uklinux.net>
Message-ID: <200303291137.04548.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
Can't we block emails from sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk? Or block emails wh=
ere=20
the sender is same as the reciepient?
Mike.
On Friday 28 March 2003 22:57, Dominic Knight wrote:
> On Friday 28 March 2003 21:29, Frank wrote:
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DAPRIL FOOL`S PRANK=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> This is SPAM. Not content with their spam rejection slips, looks like
> someone discovered how to crash the mail list party.
>
> Frank is not a member.
>
> I will look into measures to exclude more of this junk.
>
> Regards,
> Dom.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Sderby mailing list
> Sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk
> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/sderby
> Web site: http://sderby.lug.org.uk/
> wiki: http://www.sderby.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Mar 29 11:44:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mike Hemstock)
Date: Sat Mar 29 11:44:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] St. Peters church
In-Reply-To: <001801c2f572$efbd4270$82e86451@phebes>
References: <001801c2f572$efbd4270$82e86451@phebes>
Message-ID: <200303291142.40128.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi folks,
Thanks very much for the pledges of support for the St. Peter's Church=20
Project. Things are going well. All the pledges of hardware are greatfu=
lly=20
receieved. Thanks also for the pledges of time. We have a team of 5 wor=
king=20
on this and the Vicor would like us to get the kids involved as much as=20
possible, so we are OK for man power. With the excpetion of installation=
of=20
network cabling. We have had a kind offer from a LUG member to assist wi=
th=20
this.
Once again, many thanks for all your help.
Mike.
On Friday 28 March 2003 21:42, Russ wrote:
> Hi mike,
> Are you looking for help with putting this network together if so let m=
e
> now.
>
> Russ
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Mar 29 15:54:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Kris and Laura Adcock)
Date: Sat Mar 29 15:54:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] ADSL Problems - gah!
Message-ID: <3E85C1D4.2030909@danceswithferrets.org>
(I've posted this on ADSL-related newsgroups, but not had any replies.
Thinking about it, though, I reckon I'd probably get more
technically-minded answers here.)
Right,
I am trying to set up Broadband access for the office of a small
church/charity. The exchange has been switched over, the Zoom x3
Ethernet modem is up and running, and I have my laptop connected to it.
The modem's log shows that things are positive - IP address assigned,
netmask, DNS and gateway settings are all fine.
However ...
If I leave Linux pinging an arbitrary address and then stop after a
minute or so, it informs me that 5-10% of packets have been lost.
Webpages refuse to transfer - the browser informs me that it has found
the site, then just stops. I can telnet to an NTP server and get the
time fine. If I ftp over to an ftp site, things go fine until I actually
try and transfer a file, or if text of a substantial quantity needs to
be transferred (so 'ls' tends to work, but 'ls -al' screws up).
Basically, any transfer of any real quantity tends to grind to a halt.
Now, this is the second modem. I took the first one back to the shop
because I believed the modem had a 'dodgy-buffer', or something. But as
the new one has exactly the same symptoms, I'm thinking that the fault
is elsewhere.
So, has anyone else had this problem? How did you fix it? It could be
possible that there's a setting in the modem which limits bandwidth, but
I don't think that's where the fault lies. Who should I be talking to to
faultfind this situation?
Now, I've had some very unproductive telephone calls with freenetname's
supposed 'technical support', who basically charged me 50p per minute to
be put on hold and then refused to help me. To confuse matters further,
freenetname's ADSL access is provided by a company called Bulldog DSL.
But it turns out that Bulldog are really only the admin side, and
actually the service is being provided by BT. So I just KNOW that
whoever I ring will blame one of the other parties ... and so on, until
the end of time.
Originally I was using a Windows ME laptop, but after the tech-support
tried to fob me of with "blah blah MTU sizes blah blah" I've installed
Smoothwall 'twixt the two. No difference, but then I didn't think there
would be.
Sigh ...
Cheers, and thanks for any help in advance,
Kris.
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Mar 29 19:35:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk)
Date: Sat Mar 29 19:35:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Old PC's and junk
Message-ID: <1048966468.3e85f5446c63c@webmail.freedom2surf.net>
i have several old computers that i dont use anymore, and i'm gonna junk em if
i cant find anyone to take them.
i've got:
386 25Mhz, 2mb Ram
486 sx25, 4mb ram
Pentium 90, no ram, onboard ethernet
Pentium 100, no ram
Pentium 120, no ram
all are desktops, except the P120, which is an AT tower.
if anyone wants them, they can have them. or if anyone knows of a charity that
would like them, please let me know
thanks
Ian
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Everyone should have http://www.freedom2surf.net/
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Mar 29 23:31:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mike Hemstock)
Date: Sat Mar 29 23:31:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] ADSL Problems - gah!
In-Reply-To: <3E85C1D4.2030909@danceswithferrets.org>
References: <3E85C1D4.2030909@danceswithferrets.org>
Message-ID: <200303292328.50958.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
Kris,
As you'll soon learn, I'm not really sure what I'm going on about! But,=20
thinking aloud, from what I don't know, MTU has something to do with pack=
et=20
sizes. Routers and firewalls can be configured to restrict the size of t=
he=20
packets of data that travels through them. If it's too big they can send=
an=20
ICMP packet which effectivly says "make that packet smaller and try again=
=2E" =20
If you have a firewall blocking those ICMP packets, it'll never know and =
the=20
packets will carry on getting dumped in the bit bucket. Given that you a=
re=20
having probelms losing 64 byte ping packets, I think we can safely discar=
d=20
the theory about MTU. The reason that web, ftp, etc aren't working is du=
e to=20
the data disappearing! The more data you transfer, the bigger the proble=
m,=20
which is why you can do listing, etc, but not transfer files. In theory,=
I=20
think that packet loss shouldn't really matter as if packets don't arrive=
=20
they are asked for again, but maybe the requests for sends go missing? I=
=20
don't know! The most common problem I know of that causes this kind of=20
packet loss is when NICs fail to autonegociate the speed and duplex with =
the=20
kit that the connect to. This means that they lose packets as they are n=
ot=20
properly configured. The only thing that I can think is that the etherne=
t=20
port on the modem is failing to autonegociate with the kit that you plug =
into=20
it, so try forcing the speed of the NIC and the duplex. As I said, I'm n=
ot=20
really sure about any of this, but that is the best I can think of. Any=20
other offers? :-)
Mike.
On Saturday 29 March 2003 15:55, Kris and Laura Adcock wrote:
> (I've posted this on ADSL-related newsgroups, but not had any replies.
> Thinking about it, though, I reckon I'd probably get more
> technically-minded answers here.)
>
> Right,
>
> I am trying to set up Broadband access for the office of a small
> church/charity. The exchange has been switched over, the Zoom x3
> Ethernet modem is up and running, and I have my laptop connected to it.
> The modem's log shows that things are positive - IP address assigned,
> netmask, DNS and gateway settings are all fine.
>
> However ...
>
> If I leave Linux pinging an arbitrary address and then stop after a
> minute or so, it informs me that 5-10% of packets have been lost.
> Webpages refuse to transfer - the browser informs me that it has found
> the site, then just stops. I can telnet to an NTP server and get the
> time fine. If I ftp over to an ftp site, things go fine until I actuall=
y
> try and transfer a file, or if text of a substantial quantity needs to
> be transferred (so 'ls' tends to work, but 'ls -al' screws up).
> Basically, any transfer of any real quantity tends to grind to a halt.
>
> Now, this is the second modem. I took the first one back to the shop
> because I believed the modem had a 'dodgy-buffer', or something. But as
> the new one has exactly the same symptoms, I'm thinking that the fault
> is elsewhere.
>
> So, has anyone else had this problem? How did you fix it? It could be
> possible that there's a setting in the modem which limits bandwidth, bu=
t
> I don't think that's where the fault lies. Who should I be talking to t=
o
> faultfind this situation?
>
> Now, I've had some very unproductive telephone calls with freenetname's
> supposed 'technical support', who basically charged me 50p per minute t=
o
> be put on hold and then refused to help me. To confuse matters further,
> freenetname's ADSL access is provided by a company called Bulldog DSL.
> But it turns out that Bulldog are really only the admin side, and
> actually the service is being provided by BT. So I just KNOW that
> whoever I ring will blame one of the other parties ... and so on, until
> the end of time.
>
> Originally I was using a Windows ME laptop, but after the tech-support
> tried to fob me of with "blah blah MTU sizes blah blah" I've installed
> Smoothwall 'twixt the two. No difference, but then I didn't think there
> would be.
>
> Sigh ...
>
> Cheers, and thanks for any help in advance,
>
> Kris.
>
>
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From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Mar 30 00:26:01 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (David Jolley)
Date: Sun Mar 30 00:26:01 2003
Subject: [Sderby] ADSL Problems - gah!
In-Reply-To: <3E85C1D4.2030909@danceswithferrets.org>
References: <3E85C1D4.2030909@danceswithferrets.org>
Message-ID: <20030330002527.GE17838@lucien>
* Kris and Laura Adcock (krisandlaura@danceswithferrets.org) wrote:
> (I've posted this on ADSL-related newsgroups, but not had any replies.
> Thinking about it, though, I reckon I'd probably get more
> technically-minded answers here.)
>
In all seriousness, have you tried www.adslguide.org.uk ? Usually
quite a good place for this sort of thing...
> Right,
>
> I am trying to set up Broadband access for the office of a small
> church/charity. The exchange has been switched over, the Zoom x3
> Ethernet modem is up and running, and I have my laptop connected to it.
> The modem's log shows that things are positive - IP address assigned,
> netmask, DNS and gateway settings are all fine.
>
Does the modem offer any sort of line analysis, such as bit error
rates and the like?
> If I leave Linux pinging an arbitrary address and then stop after a
> minute or so, it informs me that 5-10% of packets have been lost.
> Webpages refuse to transfer - the browser informs me that it has found
> the site, then just stops. I can telnet to an NTP server and get the
> time fine. If I ftp over to an ftp site, things go fine until I actually
> try and transfer a file, or if text of a substantial quantity needs to
> be transferred (so 'ls' tends to work, but 'ls -al' screws up).
> Basically, any transfer of any real quantity tends to grind to a halt.
>
ping, while a useful bit of kit, is not really a be-all-and-end-all
indication that something's wrong. A busy router will, in all
probability drop all ICMP ping requests to reduce it's CPU load. How
sure are you that it's not a busy router at your ISP?
However, in all likelyhood, it's a fair indication that something is
wrong - an overloaded router will, probably, be dropping other packets
*anyway* :(
I don't know what your level of experience with networking is, but as
you've managed to get linux up and running and doing NAT for a
network, I'm assuming you're reasonably competent - can you possibly
run tcpdump on your ethernet interface whilst having an http session,
and seeing what sequence of packets is generated? It'll tell you
*exactly* the sequence of events happening on the wire, and give you a
vague ide of what's *really* wrong. i.e. an un-acked packet will
stick out like a sore thumb :)
> Now, this is the second modem. I took the first one back to the shop
> because I believed the modem had a 'dodgy-buffer', or something. But as
> the new one has exactly the same symptoms, I'm thinking that the fault
> is elsewhere.
>
Modems are of the same type presumably? Having worked in the
electronics testing industry for a bit, I have virtually zero faith in
the test procedures for assembled printed circuit boards. If the
modems are of different types, and both have the same symptoms, I'd be
more inclined to agree wth you. Overly cynical? Probably...
If you trust the modem manufacturer's batch testing procedures, then
your conclusion is a good one, and not one that I'd really seriously
dispute.
> So, has anyone else had this problem? How did you fix it? It could be
> possible that there's a setting in the modem which limits bandwidth, but
> I don't think that's where the fault lies. Who should I be talking to to
> faultfind this situation?
>
Unlikely to be a bandwidth throttler in a consumer grade modem, I'd go
with your conclusion that the line is a bit dicey. My problem with my
ADSL line was an MTU related issue, not dropped packets (fortunately)
> Now, I've had some very unproductive telephone calls with freenetname's
> supposed 'technical support', who basically charged me 50p per minute to
> be put on hold and then refused to help me. To confuse matters further,
> freenetname's ADSL access is provided by a company called Bulldog DSL.
> But it turns out that Bulldog are really only the admin side, and
> actually the service is being provided by BT. So I just KNOW that
> whoever I ring will blame one of the other parties ... and so on, until
> the end of time.
>
The whole ADSL provisioning is set up to make customer's lives a
bloody nightmare. You are a customer of your ISP who are, in turn,
customers of BT. So you're actually a layer of beaurocracy away from
the people that can actually fix a problem. For example, when I had
my "MTU" speed issues with my line, it took me a whole week to
convince my ISP that there was a fault, then it took them a week to
get a BT engineer out. Fortunately, the BT engineer was able enough
to figure out that it was an exchange fault, and it took about a week
thereafter to get it fixed - it eventually turned out to be an
intermittently faulty card at the exchange. But my point is that
*you* don't get to talk to BT directly, you have to go through your
ISP, who will require you to exhaust their support bod script before
they'll escalate.
> Originally I was using a Windows ME laptop, but after the tech-support
> tried to fob me of with "blah blah MTU sizes blah blah" I've installed
> Smoothwall 'twixt the two. No difference, but then I didn't think there
> would be.
>
The MTU thing is to do with the interaction of the IP packets and the
ATM backbone (which supplies the IP packets from you to your ISP). If
you have this set to (IIRC) > 1458 then your connection speed will be
drastically cut. I've not yet heard of the MTU affecting whether a
packet makes it to it's final destination.
Have you told Bulldog that you've tried 2 different modems, and that
they both exhibit the same fault? You'd be advised to use DrTCP
(http://www.dslreports.com/front/drtcp.html) to do the MTU tweak
before ringing your ISP, as it is used as a catchall solution. I
don't think it'll make any difference, but it shuts them up a bit
quicker, and they then tend to assume a level of knowledge.
To make the process quicker through your ISP, I really think you ought
to put a Windows box on the ADSL line, as they won't have a clue about
what to do when confronted by an operating system desinged to do
networking. Unless of course, you feel comfortable sitting in front
of the smoothwall box and translating their Windows-speak into the
relevant Linux commands (and vice-versa).
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Imagination abandoned by reason produces impossible monsters;
united with her, she is the mother of the arts.
-- Goya.
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Mar 30 12:51:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (James Carter)
Date: Sun Mar 30 11:51:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Recommend a CD Burner Package?
Message-ID: <3E86CC96.40706@lycos.co.uk>
Hi
Can someone recommend a CD burning package that can burn iso images
please? Preferably with a GUI front end.
Cheers
James
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Mar 30 18:22:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (James Gibbon)
Date: Sun Mar 30 17:22:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Recommend a CD Burner Package?
In-Reply-To: jncarter2's message of Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:53:10 +0100.
<3E86CC96.40706@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200303301621.h2UGLE8a014701@localhost.localdomain>
James Carter wrote:
> Can someone recommend a CD burning package that can burn iso
> images please? Preferably with a GUI front end.
I've used a few, but have always got on best with gcombust, see:
http://www.abo.fi/~jmunsin/gcombust/
These days I nearly always use my own scripts, but actually
since you mention iso images, it's very easy to burn iso images
from the command line, eg
cdrecord -v dev="1,0,0" diskimage.iso
.. where "1,0,0" refers to my own CD burner device - this will
vary naturally, but you can do "cdrecord -scanbus" to determine
this.
James
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Mar 30 19:15:08 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mike Hemstock)
Date: Sun Mar 30 18:15:08 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Recommend a CD Burner Package?
In-Reply-To: <3E86CC96.40706@lycos.co.uk>
References: <3E86CC96.40706@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200303301713.16761.hemstock@tiscali.co.uk>
K3b
On Sunday 30 March 2003 10:53, James Carter wrote:
> Hi
>
> Can someone recommend a CD burning package that can burn iso images
> please? Preferably with a GUI front end.
>
> Cheers
>
> James
>
>
>
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From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Mar 30 23:33:01 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Mr P D. Johnson)
Date: Sun Mar 30 22:33:01 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Recommend a CD Burner Package?
References: <3E86CC96.40706@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001e01c2f6ad$cc8c5840$0100a8c0@ADI>
Hi James,
I use nero 5 in Win 2000 Pro to burn iso, I have installed Kd3 in suSE but
has yet not tried it.
Paul M3PDJ/2E1PDJ.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Carter"
To: "SDLUG"
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: [Sderby] Recommend a CD Burner Package?
> Hi
>
> Can someone recommend a CD burning package that can burn iso images
> please? Preferably with a GUI front end.
>
> Cheers
>
> James
>
>
>
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>
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Mar 30 23:33:01 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (thegoths)
Date: Sun Mar 30 22:33:01 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Recommend a CD Burner Package?
In-Reply-To: <3E86CC96.40706@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030330141400.009f0b60@pop.ntlworld.com>
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Nero Burning Rom
i think it may be free
At 11:53 30/03/03 +0100, you wrote:
> Hi
>
>Can someone recommend a CD burning package that can burn iso images
>please? Preferably with a GUI front end.
>
>Cheers
>
>James
>
>
>
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Nero Burning Rom
i think it may be free
At 11:53 30/03/03 +0100, you wrote:
Hi
Can someone recommend a CD burning package that can burn iso images
please? Preferably with a GUI front end.
Cheers
James
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From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Mar 30 23:33:02 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Martin Tee)
Date: Sun Mar 30 22:33:02 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Recommend a CD Burner Package?
In-Reply-To: <3E86CC96.40706@lycos.co.uk>
References: <3E86CC96.40706@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3E871AFA.2040807@dsl.pipex.com>
James Carter wrote:
> Hi
>
> Can someone recommend a CD burning package that can burn iso images
> please? Preferably with a GUI front end.
>
> Cheers
>
> James
>
>
>
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I use xcdroast which works fine, although I think the interface is a
little confusing. Works for users other than root as well.
Regards,
Martin
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Sun Mar 30 23:44:00 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (Dominic Knight)
Date: Sun Mar 30 22:44:00 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Test post
Message-ID: <200303302251.19417.dom@overseal.uklinux.net>
Just testing to see if the list still works after I held posts from=20
sderby@mailman.lug.org.uk for approval.
Dom
From sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Mar 31 02:13:01 2003
From: sderby at mailman.lug.org.uk (James Carter)
Date: Mon Mar 31 01:13:01 2003
Subject: [Sderby] Recommend a CD Burner Package?
References: <3E86CC96.40706@lycos.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3E878889.9060103@lycos.co.uk>
Thanks for all your help
I used gcombust in the end.
This ment I was able to burn and install smoothwall.
Which was todays project. Finally finished at 1:10am :-)
I can go to bed now. goodnight
James
James Carter wrote:
> Hi
>
> Can someone recommend a CD burning package that can burn iso images
> please? Preferably with a GUI front end
> Cheers
>
> James
>
>
>
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>
>
>