Thanks for the responses.<br><br>Roy re: <br>"I'm a confirmed SuSE and/or ubuntu/debian advocate these days - ubuntu's Long Term Support (LTS) model is better than anything else on offer at the price (free) and their server build is fairly compact. SuSE's Yast2 is a nice tool and the console version is great for remote admin but debian's apt-get is just a dream come true!"<br>
<br>Jim re:<br>"Agree about not diving in with Gentoo until you are more used to Linux.<br>
I use Ubuntu 8.04 LTS at the moment, but will be moving to 10.04 as<br>
soon as harvest is out the way!
<br>
Rather than dive in at the deep end, I would suggest using<br>
Ubuntu/SuSE/Fedora, and buying a good book on the distro. Once you are<br>
comfortable with the command line, then by all means have a go at the<br>
more complicated stuff."<br><br>......................<br><br>Yeah, think i should just stick with Ubuntu till i build up a bit of confidence and competence. I tried out latest release of Debian's Lenny but couldn't get wireless
running - wired was ok though. However, i encrypted my entire hard disk
(250GB) and noted a BIG drop in performance when going online.
Encrypting the disk with Ubuntu (karmic) on the other hand has made
little or no difference as far as i can tell re connection speeds and no
prob with wireless. Tried out Ubuntu 10.04 but got loads of screen
flicker/interference so went back to karmic which runs nice and stable on my laptop.<br><br>As for a book re learning to use the command line, the copy of the 1st Ed for GNU/Linux: 'Introduction to the Command Line' i ordered from the Free Software Foundation just arrived the other day. So, think it's back to school with the bairns on Monday before my Open Uni course 'Linux - An Introduction' starts in Oct. Also had a wee scan of the Rutebook tutorial which i'll have a crack at too.<br>
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1. Re: FYI: FLOSS UK Unconference Autumn 2010 (garryg)<br>
2. trying out Gentoo (garryg)<br>
3. Re: trying out Gentoo (Rory Beaton)<br>
4. Re: trying out Gentoo (Jim McLaren)<br>
5. Re: trying out Gentoo (Rory Beaton)<br>
6. Re: trying out Gentoo (Jim McLaren)<br>
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:04:12 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [StALUG] FYI: FLOSS UK Unconference Autumn 2010<br>Sounds interesting. No doubt most of it'd go a mile over my head but there's only one way to learn. Will keep it mind Rory.<br>
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:21:27 +0100<br>Subject: [StALUG] FYI: FLOSS UK Unconference Autumn 2010<br>from the LUGmasters list:<br>
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FLOSS UK Unconference Autumn 2010 - <a href="http://unconference2010.flossuk.org/" target="_blank">http://unconference2010.flossuk.org/</a><br>
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Saturday, 16th October, Birmingham & Midland Institute, England<br>
<br>
What is FLOSS UK 2010?<br>
<br>
This is our first unconference, and is being held in collaboration<br>
with local FLOSS groups.<br>
<br>
What is an Unconference?<br>
<br>
An unconference is a conference where what happens is organised by the<br>
delegates on the day. The event organisers have to arrange something,<br>
the main one being a venue, but the rest is down to the delegates. So<br>
all the hassle of talk submissions, review and scheduling is taken<br>
away.<br>
<br>
Typically:<br>
<br>
at the start of the day everyone gets up in turn and says who they<br>
are, what their interests are and what they'd like to do<br>
based on this people write proposals on PostIt notes and stick these on<br>
a board<br>
a moderator may read out the proposals in turn to gauge interest, and<br>
if sufficient the proposal will be put on a scheduling board<br>
delegates may adjust the schedule to avoid clashes, etc.<br>
The unconference starts?<br>
<br>
Experience shows that the unconference format results in high quality<br>
sessions focussed on what delegates want.<br>
<br>
How will FLOSS UK 2010 work?<br>
<br>
Because of the numbers we expect, following the above procedure at the<br>
beginning may be too lengthy, so we propose to invite groups to set up<br>
their own unconferences within the main event, so far we have:<br>
<br>
Linux: local LUGs<br>
Perl: Birmingham Perlmongers<br>
PHP: WM PHP Group<br>
Python: PyCon UK Society<br>
Ruby: West Midlands Ruby User Group<br>
(and we're open to offers from other FLOSS groups!)<br>
<br>
Groups are able to make preliminary arrangements on this FLOSS UK wiki<br>
- please let us know if you want your group to be added to the left<br>
menu (contact unconference2010 - at - <a href="http://flossuk.org" target="_blank">flossuk.org</a>).<br>
<br>
We will be providing the basic infrastructure only ? venue, wiki, wifi<br>
internet connectivity, projectors and screens, everything else is up<br>
to the delegates!<br>
<br>
How much will it cost me?<br>
<br>
We are aiming to keep the cost of attending this event down to the<br>
bare minimum. Everyone will be able to afford to come, and as it is a<br>
one-day event you will not need to incur accommodation costs, though<br>
several hotels are available for anyone who wishes to stay over.<br>
<br>
Why attend?<br>
<br>
There are lots of reasons to attend the 2010 Unconference, including:<br>
<br>
Keep abreast with new/emerging technologies<br>
Network with some of the people who are responsible for developing<br>
critical applications<br>
Become part of the UK Open Source community - build up informal<br>
relationships that can be invaluable in problem solving<br>
Benefit from the experience of delegates with similar interests<br>
<br>
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<br>
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:25:36 +0100<br>Subject: [StALUG] trying out Gentoo<br>Hey Rory,<br><br>well, attempting to install gentoo for the first time was fairly hardcore for a gui user. just spent the last week getting my head round logical volume management! afraid to say failed gentoo instalment twice. got as far as installing the stage 3 tarball but things went downhill rapidly once portage came into the equation. there were a few other probs during earlier stages but not sure if it's cos was doing it in virtualbox or not (you did say to bare that in mind if things went wrong and i was looking for help). no matter, i'll have another crack it once i figure out dual booting and then find out if was virtualbox, my inexperience or a combination of both - i know which one my money's going on though!<br>
<br>Cheers,<br><br>Garry <br>
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:13:44 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [StALUG] trying out Gentoo<br>Hi Garry,<br>
<br>
I'm not too familiar with Gentoo but my impressions of it were that it looks<br>
great for building a minimalist or highly customised system tailored to a<br>
specific application but a lot of effort for a standard box. If I wanted<br>
something minimalist, I'm not sure I'd want to install the entire toolchain<br>
necessary to build Gentoo. And I suppose I've never recovered from waiting<br>
upwards of 10 hours for X to build on a DEC 3000 running NetBSD...<br>
<br>
I'm a confirmed SuSE and/or ubuntu/debian advocate these days - ubuntu's Long<br>
Term Support (LTS) model is better than anything else on offer at the price<br>
(free) and their server build is fairly compact. SuSE's Yast2 is a nice tool<br>
and the console version is great for remote admin but debian's apt-get is just<br>
a dream come true!<br>
<br>
Virtualbox does have some issues and my best advice would be to get the latest<br>
build directly from Sun/Oracle. I've failed to get Win7 to install and have had<br>
problems getting various CAD/modelling apps installed on XP in Vbox on my ubuntu<br>
workstation.<br>
<br>
rb<br>
<br>
<br>
Quoting garryg <<a href="mailto:gargul1969@gmail.com">gargul1969@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
<br>
> Hey Rory,<br>
><br>
> well, attempting to install gentoo for the first time was fairly hardcore<br>
> for a gui user. just spent the last week getting my head round logical<br>
> volume management! afraid to say failed gentoo instalment twice. got as far<br>
> as installing the stage 3 tarball but things went downhill rapidly once<br>
> portage came into the equation. there were a few other probs during earlier<br>
> stages but not sure if it's cos was doing it in virtualbox or not (you did<br>
> say to bare that in mind if things went wrong and i was looking for help).<br>
> no matter, i'll have another crack it once i figure out dual booting and<br>
> then find out if was virtualbox, my inexperience or a combination of both -<br>
> i know which one my money's going on though!<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Garry<br>
><br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:32:40 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [StALUG] trying out Gentoo<br>On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:13:44 +0100<br>
Rory Beaton <<a href="mailto:rb36@st-andrews.ac.uk">rb36@st-andrews.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Virtualbox does have some issues and my best advice would be to get<br>
> the latest build directly from Sun/Oracle. I've failed to get Win7 to<br>
> install and have had problems getting various CAD/modelling apps<br>
> installed on XP in Vbox on my ubuntu workstation.<br>
<br>
Likewise, especially with the recent builds of VB. I can't get USB to<br>
function correctly on version 3.2 so am still working on 3.1. I've<br>
installed Windows 7 on it, but not really done much with it yet.<br>
<br>
Agree about not diving in with Gentoo until you are more used to Linux.<br>
I use Ubuntu 8.04 LTS at the moment, but will be moving to 10.04 as<br>
soon as harvest is out the way!<br>
<br>
Rather than dive in at the deep end, I would suggest using<br>
Ubuntu/SuSE/Fedora, and buying a good book on the distro. Once you are<br>
comfortable with the command line, then by all means have a go at the<br>
more complicated stuff.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Jim McLaren<br>
Cults Farm<br>
<br>
<br>
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:10:54 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [StALUG] trying out Gentoo<br>Quoting Jim McLaren <<a href="mailto:Jim@blackfingernail.com">Jim@blackfingernail.com</a>>:<br>
<br>
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:13:44 +0100<br>
> Likewise, especially with the recent builds of VB. I can't get USB to<br>
> function correctly on version 3.2 so am still working on 3.1. I've<br>
> installed Windows 7 on it, but not really done much with it yet.<br>
><br>
<br>
Interesting...was this the 32-bit or 64-bit Windows 7? I was trying with 64-bit<br>
and I kept having the problem of the installer "losing" the source<br>
drive/directory.<br>
<br>
I agree that USB is an issue - I spent too long trying to get the guest OS to<br>
see my graphics tablet and security dongles are a nightmare!<br>
<br>
rb<br>
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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:41:51 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [StALUG] trying out Gentoo<br>On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:10:54 +0100<br>
Rory Beaton <<a href="mailto:rb36@st-andrews.ac.uk">rb36@st-andrews.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Interesting...was this the 32-bit or 64-bit Windows 7? I was trying<br>
> with 64-bit and I kept having the problem of the installer "losing"<br>
> the source drive/directory.<br>
<br>
64bit. Sounds like you either have a dodgy DVD or DVD drive. That would<br>
be the first thing I would check.<br>
><br>
> I agree that USB is an issue - I spent too long trying to get the<br>
> guest OS to see my graphics tablet and security dongles are a<br>
> nightmare!<br>
<br>
Everything works fine under 3.1, although I haven't tried my graphics<br>
tablet admittedly, but scanner, pen drives Palm treo sync cable and<br>
other things all work fine. Upgrade to 3.2 and nothing gets recognised<br>
on any guest system, be it Windows or Linux.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Jim McLaren<br>
Cults Farm<br>
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