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On 28/11/10 13:27, PHILIP COLLINGS wrote:
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<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> Date:
Sun, 28 Nov 2010 06:14:10 +0000</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> From:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:steve@dobbo.org">steve@dobbo.org</a></span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> To:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sussex@mailman.lug.org.uk">sussex@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:philcollings60@hotmail.com">philcollings60@hotmail.com</a></span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
Subject: Re: [Sussex] Ubuntu install</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> Hi Phil</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> On
27/11/10 22:39, Desmond Armstrong wrote:</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> > On
27/11/10 21:09, PHILIP COLLINGS wrote:</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
>> Hi all,</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
>> I am trying to install ubuntu 10.10 on to a tower
that I have built.</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> ></span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
>> The cpu is running at 1400 but will go higher, 2.5 gb
ram.200gb hdd.</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
>> I have been trying to install with live disks which
do work on another</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
>> comp I've got. The unit freezes from just after the
dos front pages of</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
>> the comp to the boot menu of the disks, or anywhere
in between.</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> You
haven't told us which motherboard and CPU you are using. The
speed </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> of the
CPU is not really all that important for installation
debugging, </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> whether
it is an AMD64 or a IA32 processor is much more useful (as is
</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> the
motherboard make and model).</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> Given
that you have built a tower I am going to assume that you went
</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> down
the AMD64 route, they are common and cheep these days so there
is </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> really
no reason not to (I assume that there are still IA32
motherboards </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> on the
market - I haven't checked).</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> I don't
have a universal knowledge of all motherboards but the AMD64 </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
motherboards I have played with to date have their memory
split into two </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> banks,
and you get best system performance if you balance the memory
</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> sticks
between both banks. If the memory sockets on your motherboard
</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> are in
two colours then I would suggest that it is very likely that
this </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> is the
case here.</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> 2.5GB
of memory is a really odd amount for a AMD64 system. Assuming
</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> that
you have 2 x 1GB plus 1 x 0.5GB memory sticks I would give
serious </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> thought
to pulling the 0.5GB unit.</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
>> I have as yet to get a full install. the furthest
I've got once, was</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
>> the keyboard and time zone settings</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
>> Has any body got any ideas, as I'm beginning to run
out of things to try.</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> ></span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> >
The first thing I would check is the CD drive as, if it is
worn, this is</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> >
the sort of problem one gets. So try another CD or DVD drive
first.</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> ></span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> >
But have you had the live CD running properly?</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> Desmond
is right. You can get some funny errors on failing CD-ROM </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
drivers. But the problem may be more fundamental, it maybe
that your </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
motherboard (which I assume you've just purchased) may have
hardware not </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
supported by the kernel on the CD-ROM.</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> How up
to date is your Ubuntu CD? I don't mean when did you download
</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> it, I
mean when did Canonical master it? Which kernel/driver set is
on </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> that CD
and does it support all the hardware on your motherboard? I </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">>
recently installed Debian on a friend's not to old laptop
(AMD64) and </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> found
that there was an issue with the screen/frame-buffer driver in
the </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> kernel
itself. In this case it was a bug introduced into the kernel </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> itself,
and old version worked fine. You might like to try the
previous </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> version
of Ubuntu. (Note: AMD64 fully supports IA32 so you can try the
</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> old
32-bit software on a newer 64-bit processor, it just doesn't
run as </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> fast.)</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> If
you're not having any luck with Ubuntu then have you thought
of </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> trying
another distro. I'm not suggesting that you switch
permanently, </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> but
trying a different install CD with a different kernel/driver
set may </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> work
and at least it will prove that your hardware is working
properly.</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> Debian,
for example, have just entered the final stages of testing for
</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> the 6.0
"squeeze" release. This includes proper support at last for a
</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> USB
stick network installer.
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst">http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst</a>) As </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> Ubuntu
is Debian based this should give you something close to what </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> you're
use to with Ubuntu.</span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> </span></font><br>
<font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;">> Steve</span></font><br>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 10pt;"><br>
</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">></span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">>hi
steve, thanks for the info. i have not just bought the mobo,
its one my sister was using for her work that i built for
her a while ago.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">>The
mobo is a Asrock K7s8x, runs with a north bridge sis 746fx
chipset. fsb 333mhz. supports AMD athlon xp socket A cpu`s.
>The ram is ddr266 at 2x1gb and 1x.5 gb.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">>the
disks are from linux format mag and ones that ive
downloaded. </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">> last
night i finally managed to get ubuntu 9.10 installed to hdd
after trying other os`s like mint ,fedora and puppy. </span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">> after
all these probs it think its to do with a hardware prob not
the os`s.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">> i
replaced the cpu that was in it as it was a duron one that
my sister used to a 3000 athlon xp, this i think is the
prob.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">>I will
keep playing around till i get it.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">>
Thanks to you and Desmond for the tips. i will keep you
posted how i get on.</span></font></div>
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<br>
Thanks for this information. I am already well aware that the Sis
746 chipset defeats many Linux systems. I do already have some
experience of this one. Fortunately the latest Mandriva works
absolutely fine with it but unfortunately it was a users's machine
and I cannot easily try Ubuntu on it but may indeed soon have
opportunity to try it with a USB device. In which case one must use
10.10 and simply we know that 10.04 will not work.<br>
<br>
Now one technique I have used is to install the system on another
machine and then install the appropriate modules. What is really
important is that the system is fully updated.<br>
Then you could simply transfer the HD or even use Clonezilla to
transfer the system, having first included the SiS kernel bits to
the hard drive AND done all the updates on your machine and then it
should work for you.<br>
I should add that I do have success with Mandriva in these processes
and there is, in principle no reason why such technique should not
work with Ubuntu.<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30399.html">http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30399.html</a> - no mention
which version of Ubuntu!<br>
<br>
I don't know whether this might be you, but again I stress the fact
that this chipset will ONLY WORK with the newer releases - Good Luck
- more learning involved!<br>
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