<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Adam Sweet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:adam@adamsweet.org">adam@adamsweet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi everyone<br>
<br>
After Wednesday's discussion on ADSL, I have decided to join the rats<br>
leaving the sinking ship and request my MAC code from Freedom2Surf for<br>
the following reasons:<br>
<br>
1) Persistent sync speed problems.<br>
2) Traffic shaping which seemed to reach a head on Thursday when I went<br>
from getting around 400KB/s while downloading an iso to getting around<br>
100KB within 10 mins.<br>
3) F2S were very good until they were bought up by Pipex and then Tiscali.<br>
<br>
and (re)join an Enta reseller for the reasons discussed on Wednesday:<br>
<br>
1) Enta don't throttle or traffic shape<br>
2) The have direct access to the BT backbone and early access to<br>
forthcoming technologies (ie 21CN, IPv6 (I think))<br>
3) Their NOC is 15 mins from my house and I know quite a few of their<br>
support staff through work.<br>
4) Jon Farmer is a legend (just checking he is listening :))<br>
5) After my original ADSL problems with F2S in 2006, I switched to Enta<br>
and had fantastic performance on the same line that I have had terrible<br>
problems either side of being with Enta. Sadly I had to leave them when<br>
I changed employer (as both the telephone line and the ADSL connection<br>
were paid for by my employer).<br>
<br>
So now I'm looking at ADSL24 and while my exchange isn't ADSL2+ enabled,<br>
I can still use ADSL Max with them and I thought, being the kind of<br>
technical guy I am, I would plump for the 8 public IPs at no cost, which<br>
means I'm going to need a new no-nat router.<br>
<br>
Can anyone recommend one? I've been using Linksys routers quite happily<br>
for around 5 years but they don't do a no-nat one, unless I'm missing<br>
the no-nat option going by some other name.<br>
<br>
Most I've googled seem to be either D-Link (not a fan of D-Link), Vigor<br>
(not convinced by the Vigors I've used either, though they were quite<br>
old), or no name brands. Bonus points for:<br>
<br>
+1 for wireless (I might be missing the point there, since you probably<br>
don't want your wireless LAN publicly routable).<br>
<br>
If that's not the case:<br>
<br>
+1 for wireless N.<br>
+1 for ADSL2+ so I don't have to buy a new router when my exchange is<br>
upgraded.<br>
+1 for IPv6 (or at least tunnel) support. I note there aren't really any<br>
consumer level devices which do this atm.<br>
<br>
I guess the next point then is to design the network, I'd imagine you<br>
put a NAT/firewall device of some kind on one of the IPs, so you can<br>
have a non-routeable internal LAN and have web visible some machines on<br>
the other public IPs.<br>
<br>
DSL network<br>
|<br>
----------------------------------------------<br>
| DSL router |<br>
----------------------------------------------<br>
| | | |<br>
| | | |<br>
------------ --------- --------- ---------<br>
| NAT/FW | |Public | |Public | |Public |<br>
------------ |Machine| |Machine| |Machine|<br>
| --------- --------- ---------<br>
|<br>
------------- ---------<br>
|Private LAN|---|WLAN AP|<br>
------------- ---------<br>
<br>
Does that look sensible, over-engineered or have any glaring errors?</blockquote><div><br>Pretty much the setup I ran, S518 for ADSL on nic running private lan and using NAT<br>A bunch of servers on another nic on public IP's and an Atheros PCI wireless card.<br>
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<br>
Alternatively, I could look at one of the Sangoma ADSL cards Chris Ellis<br>
was talking about. Can you recommend a model Chris? It seems like the<br>
S519 does ADSL2+ and the S518 does everything up to ADSL Max.</blockquote><div><br>I used a S518, worked wonders has loads of excellent features.<br>I believe that Vyatta now has support for these cards <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<br>
Can ADSL2+ devices operate in regular ADSL (Max) mode if so configured?<br>
What about these cards? This was the intention of raising the subject of<br>
Wednesday. I was worried that buying an ADSL2+ card/router might not<br>
support regular ADSL and my exchange won't be upgraded until 2010/11.<br>
<br>
Sorry to splurge a cluster-**** of noob questions. To summarise:<br>
<br>
1) Can anybody recommend a no-nat router with any of the above plus points?</blockquote><div>Get a low power (as in Watts) CPU and mobo, Mini-ITX's are good but ideally need an extra PCI slot <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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2) Does the network layout look sensible?<br>
3) Do ADSL2+ devices generally also support regular ADSL? <br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
4) Would I be better off with a PCI DSL card and if so, which? They're<br>
pricy :)<br></blockquote><div>Your welcome to borrow my S518 for a few weeks if needed. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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Many thanks,<br>
<br>
Ad<br>
<br>
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