Mike,<div><br></div><div>With all due respect, language is anarchic. Asking people's advice and then laying into them for what you consider to be bad use of language is just plain rude and will discourage people from bothering to reply.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Aside from the fact that "Bleeding edge" is different from "Leading edge", the former being a state in software development where the software is "brittle" and often breaks*, the simile being like a blade that is dripping blood - appearing to bleed. There are many phrases in the English language that display these kinds of contradictions. Getting all high and mighty whilst displaying ignorance is great fun and all that but asking for opinions and then doing it is not something you should do lightly.</div>
<div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Martyn</div><div>*Of course software is not physical so can't possibly be brittle, or break, or crash, fall over etc. by your narrow English usage definition.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On 29 March 2012 17:51, Mike Goodman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mikegoodman1@gmail.com">mikegoodman1@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On 29 March 2012 07:27, Andy Stanford <<a href="mailto:ajstanford@andystanford.me.uk">ajstanford@andystanford.me.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> It stays fairly current, particularly with the more popular apps, but not so bleeding edge that you have to massage (or sledgehammer) it back into life after an update.<br>
</div>That's the second time in this thread I've seen the same appalling<br>
American misquote. Edges cannot bleed. A leading edge, the correct<br>
expression, can cause bleeding if sharp enough and on an appropriate<br>
instrument. The edge itself, however, will not bleed however badly it<br>
is mistreated. Would anyone still confused please use the alternative<br>
correct term to imply a latest advance, cutting edge. :-)<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> From what you've said about what you're looking for, it might be worth a try.<br>
</div>Indeed, it seems you have understood the problem. So I could rely on<br>
very common apps such as FF. GIMP and whatever the default office<br>
suite is not continuing to the point beyond which they are supported?<br>
I've not found it very clear in the various distros' available docs so<br>
I've been relying more upon a vaguely remembered WYLUG thread from<br>
some weeks or months ago.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Mike<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
> On 28 Mar 2012, at 21:44, james riley <<a href="mailto:jimr1603@gmail.com">jimr1603@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> In which case, I can answer a little of that.<br>
>><br>
>> Stable fails the up-to-date problem epically. They will not make a<br>
>> release until it is very ready, to solve the 6 month upgrade problem.<br>
>> But this does mean that stable is still running openoffice, rather<br>
>> than libre, for an example of how far behind it is.<br>
>><br>
>> Testing is better, but I'm not sure how much better. For intents and<br>
>> purposes, the software in it is stable enough for everything but<br>
>> servers, and one day that'll be the next stable.<br>
>><br>
>> Unstable breaks epically and all the time.<br>
>><br>
>> Longer beards than mine will probably have more to say on the testing distro.<br>
>><br>
>> James<br>
>><br>
>> On 28/03/2012, Mike Goodman <<a href="mailto:mikegoodman1@gmail.com">mikegoodman1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> On 28 March 2012 20:40, james riley <<a href="mailto:jimr1603@gmail.com">jimr1603@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> After familiarity with ubuntu, debian seemed a safe bet for me. Happy<br>
>>>> enough with that on my desktop.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Due to extreme luck over various bits of hardware, the laptop plays<br>
>>>> nicely with trisquel. You know, for when IceWeasel is too mainstream.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> You're about to get tonnes of suggestions. I'll give a<br>
>>>> meta-suggestion. Try all of them. Or at least have a nosy at the<br>
>>>> website, see what the people are like, see what the feel of it is.<br>
>>>> Installs don't take that long, really. Sometimes an out-the-box<br>
>>>> problem with one system will stay with you, and you alone, for ever<br>
>>>> with that system.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Certainly for me, I learn a lot more about my system by pressing<br>
>>>> buttons until it breaks, then fixing it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> James R<br>
>>><br>
>>> I retired for an easier life, not to press buttons for the sake of it!<br>
>>> ;-) The distro questions for me remain those of longevity and staying<br>
>>> up to date with its default applications - without additional<br>
>>> button-pressing. I like the look of Debian's LTR regime on the face of<br>
>>> it, but does it keep the apps up to date? No real info on the site. I<br>
>>> am a fan due to happy years spent on Debian server software. I<br>
>>> wouldn't be happy though if I switch from Ubuntu only to find Debian,<br>
>>> too, leaves me two full releases behind on my preferred browser or<br>
>>> image manipulation app. Nor do I want a geek-only distro whereby I<br>
>>> have to spend many hours configuring a standard app, available by<br>
>>> default in most of the better known distros, when I may only use it<br>
>>> once or twice. How does the Debian desktop stand up to those<br>
>>> questions?<br>
>>><br>
>>> As you can see, I am more likely to dismiss most suggestions rather<br>
>>> than to try all. I'm looking for genuine recommendations rather than<br>
>>> off-the-cuff ideas to throw into the brainstorming pot.<br>
>>><br>
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