From lee at larcombe.uk-internet.org.uk  Mon Sep  1 13:22:01 2003
From: lee at larcombe.uk-internet.org.uk (Lee Larcombe)
Date: Mon Sep  1 12:22:01 2003
Subject: [Beds] new line problem
Message-ID: <79115BF8-DC6F-11D7-813B-000A95680B7C@larcombe.uk-internet.org.uk>

Hi

I'm hoping someone will be able to help with this problem...

I have a database which contains several text fields, entered via a web 
form. The datatype is MySQL TEXT. When the data is typed into the form 
it is submitted by a perl cgi script. The data is stored in the 
database correctly, and  can search and retrieve it ok.

The problem is this..

The text is typed in with paragraphs. When I view the data from mysql 
at the command line, the output retains its paragraph structure - 
similarly via phpMyAdmin. When I read the data back into a web form 
textarea to edit and resubmit the text it also retains its paragraphs.

However when I output it amongst other html ie;

<table>
<tr><td>Here is some text: $text</td></tr>
</table>

where $text is the content of the database field, the text is displayed 
as a block with no paragraphs.

I have tried using something like:  s/\n/<br>/g to replace newlines 
with html breaks which works when I manually add \n's to the text, but 
doesn't recognise 'hidden' new line characters.

Does anyone have any idea how to achieve this?

Thanks
Lee


=========================================
Larcombe IT - total computing technology solutions

www.larcombe.uk-internet.org.uk



From lee at larcombe.uk-internet.org.uk  Mon Sep  1 13:44:01 2003
From: lee at larcombe.uk-internet.org.uk (Lee Larcombe)
Date: Mon Sep  1 12:44:01 2003
Subject: [Beds] don't bother with my last question
Message-ID: <87C2584F-DC72-11D7-813B-000A95680B7C@larcombe.uk-internet.org.uk>

Hi

I have solved my previous problem now with a bit of a fudge - but it 
works.

Thanks

Lee

=========================================
Larcombe IT - total computing technology solutions

www.larcombe.uk-internet.org.uk



From alan at tomun.org  Mon Sep  1 18:02:00 2003
From: alan at tomun.org (Alan James)
Date: Mon Sep  1 17:02:00 2003
Subject: [Beds] new line problem
In-Reply-To: <79115BF8-DC6F-11D7-813B-000A95680B7C@larcombe.uk-internet.org.uk>
References: <79115BF8-DC6F-11D7-813B-000A95680B7C@larcombe.uk-internet.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20030901160112.GA9914@tomun.org>

On Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 12:28:56PM +0100, Lee Larcombe wrote:
> 
> I have tried using something like:  s/\n/<br>/g to replace newlines 
> with html breaks which works when I manually add \n's to the text, but 
> doesn't recognise 'hidden' new line characters.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea how to achieve this?

You probably need to use the html PRE tag around the text.
http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/block/pre.html

Alan. (Clearly ignoring your request that I ignore this message)
-- 
http://www.maketradefair.com/


From neil at darlow.co.uk  Tue Sep  9 11:50:00 2003
From: neil at darlow.co.uk (Neil Darlow)
Date: Tue Sep  9 10:50:00 2003
Subject: [Beds] September Meeting
Message-ID: <200309091049.57750.neil@darlow.co.uk>

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Hi All,

Just a reminder that we are meeting this Thursday at our usual venue and
time.

I'd be interested in hearing from those of you who run an AntiVirus system
at the mail server. I'm researching adding this feature to mine, Clamav loo=
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a likely candidate, and I'd appreciate anyone's experience in this area.

Regards,
Neil Darlow M.Sc. - Beds LUGmaster
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From adrian at stjohn-home.net  Wed Sep 10 15:19:01 2003
From: adrian at stjohn-home.net (adrian@stjohn-home.net)
Date: Wed Sep 10 14:19:01 2003
Subject: [Beds] September Meeting
Message-ID: <20030910123129.RZUC18176.mta2-svc.business.ntl.com@[10.137.101.72]>

> From: Neil Darlow <neil@darlow.co.uk>
> Just a reminder that we are meeting this Thursday at our usual venue and
> time.

I know its too late to change this month, but is it possible to get the day changed in the future?

I only ask as I can no longer attend meetings on Thursdays due to other commitments.

Thanks,

Adrian.

PS I apologise for using an email address that isn't subscribed to the list.

PPS Does anyone know of a command-line mail reader that can do POP3 and configurable sender email address?


--
Adrian St. John
adrian.stjohn@tesco.net



From jonathan.dye at automationpartnership.com  Wed Sep 10 15:35:02 2003
From: jonathan.dye at automationpartnership.com (Jonathan Dye)
Date: Wed Sep 10 14:35:02 2003
Subject: [Beds] September Meeting
Message-ID: <E254F03EB6C05A449C653A8C2691EDFC019C284B@borg.automationpartnership.com>

Adrian St. John wrote:
>> From: Neil Darlow <neil@darlow.co.uk>
>> Just a reminder that we are meeting this Thursday at our usual venue
>> and time.
> 
> I know its too late to change this month, but is it possible
> to get the day changed in the future?
> 
> I only ask as I can no longer attend meetings on Thursdays due to
> other commitments. 

I am unable to attend this month's meeting too (again).

[snip]

> PPS Does anyone know of a command-line mail reader that can
> do POP3 and configurable sender email address?

mutt

JD


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From neil at darlow.co.uk  Wed Sep 10 15:52:00 2003
From: neil at darlow.co.uk (Neil Darlow)
Date: Wed Sep 10 14:52:00 2003
Subject: [Beds] Meeting Days
Message-ID: <200309101451.44205.neil@darlow.co.uk>

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HI All,

It seems that Thursday is causing a problem for some members to attend=20
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out (Parish Council meetings).

This just leaves Monday and Friday as alternatives. Please indicate your=20
preference for No Change, Monday or Friday.

Regards,
Neil Darlow M.Sc. - Beds LUGmaster
=2D --=20
ICQ: 135505456  E-Mail, Jabber and MSNM: <neil at darlow.co.uk>
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From jonathan.dye at automationpartnership.com  Wed Sep 10 16:04:00 2003
From: jonathan.dye at automationpartnership.com (Jonathan Dye)
Date: Wed Sep 10 15:04:00 2003
Subject: [Beds] Meeting Days
Message-ID: <E254F03EB6C05A449C653A8C2691EDFC019C284C@borg.automationpartnership.com>

Neil Darlow wrote:
> It seems that Thursday is causing a problem for some members to attend
> meetings.
> 
> For myself, Tuesday is out (evening class) and for David Pashley
> Wednesday is out (Parish Council meetings).
> 
> This just leaves Monday and Friday as alternatives. Please indicate
> your preference for No Change, Monday or Friday.

Monday or Thursday are usually good for me.  I've just been unlucky the last
two months!

JD

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From lee at promedis.co.uk  Wed Sep 17 18:33:01 2003
From: lee at promedis.co.uk (Lee Larcombe)
Date: Wed Sep 17 17:33:01 2003
Subject: [Beds] Meeting Days
In-Reply-To: <200309101451.44205.neil@darlow.co.uk>
References: <200309101451.44205.neil@darlow.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200309101458.22511.lee@promedis.co.uk>

any day is fine with me


On Wednesday 10 September 2003 2:51 pm, Neil Darlow wrote:
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> HI All,
>
> It seems that Thursday is causing a problem for some members to attend
> meetings.
>
> For myself, Tuesday is out (evening class) and for David Pashley Wednesday
> is out (Parish Council meetings).
>
> This just leaves Monday and Friday as alternatives. Please indicate your
> preference for No Change, Monday or Friday.
>
> Regards,
> Neil Darlow M.Sc. - Beds LUGmaster
> - --
> ICQ: 135505456  E-Mail, Jabber and MSNM: <neil at darlow.co.uk>
> Free Software and Open Standards Consultants - http://www.darlow.co.uk/
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> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/beds



From AdrianSt.John  Wed Sep 17 18:33:03 2003
From: AdrianSt.John (AdrianSt.John)
Date: Wed Sep 17 17:33:03 2003
Subject: [Beds] Meeting Days
In-Reply-To: <200309101451.44205.neil@darlow.co.uk>
References: <200309101451.44205.neil@darlow.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F5F69943D8.C962ADRIAN.STJOHN@mail.tesco.net>

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:51:22 +0100
Neil Darlow <neil@darlow.co.uk> wrote:

> It seems that Thursday is causing a problem for some members to attend 
> meetings.
> 
> This just leaves Monday and Friday as alternatives. Please indicate your 
> preference for No Change, Monday or Friday.

I don't mind between Monday and Friday.

BTW Since I brought this up, I probably can't make any meeting in
October as I will be out of the country for 3 weeks.

Regards,

Adrian.

--
Adrian St. John
adrian@stjohn-home.net


From david at davidpashley.com  Wed Sep 17 18:33:04 2003
From: david at davidpashley.com (David Pashley)
Date: Wed Sep 17 17:33:04 2003
Subject: [Beds] Meeting Days
In-Reply-To: <200309101451.44205.neil@darlow.co.uk>
References: <200309101451.44205.neil@darlow.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20030911232227.GQ5575@hades.evilgeniuses.org.uk>

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Monday, Thursday are good.

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david@davidpashley.com
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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From AdrianSt.John  Wed Sep 17 18:33:05 2003
From: AdrianSt.John (AdrianSt.John)
Date: Wed Sep 17 17:33:05 2003
Subject: [Beds] Meeting Days
In-Reply-To: <200309101451.44205.neil@darlow.co.uk>
References: <200309101451.44205.neil@darlow.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F6854DC242.BCCCADRIAN.STJOHN@mail.tesco.net>

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 14:51:22 +0100
Neil Darlow <neil@darlow.co.uk> wrote:

> It seems that Thursday is causing a problem for some members to attend 
> meetings.
> 
> For myself, Tuesday is out (evening class) and for David Pashley Wednesday is 
> out (Parish Council meetings).
> 
> This just leaves Monday and Friday as alternatives. Please indicate your 
> preference for No Change, Monday or Friday.

I'd prefer Monday, but Friday is ok as well.

Regards,

Adrian St. John

--
Adrian St. John
adrian@stjohn-home.net


From neil at darlow.co.uk  Wed Sep 17 18:38:00 2003
From: neil at darlow.co.uk (Neil Darlow)
Date: Wed Sep 17 17:38:00 2003
Subject: [Beds] (Ab)use of mailing list
Message-ID: <200309171737.32798.neil@darlow.co.uk>

Hi All,

There have been a number of postings to the mailing list, by members, using 
non-subscribed addresses.

Manually approving these posts is tedious and I would rather restrict my 
intervention to just deleting Spam.

Please can you assist me by subscribing any address you use to post. It 
doesn't matter to the list manager that members subscribe both home and work 
addresses.

Regards,
Neil Darlow M.Sc.
-- 
ICQ: 135505456  E-Mail, Jabber and MSNM: <neil at darlow.co.uk>
Free Software and Open Standards Consultants - http://www.darlow.co.uk/
The Association of Free Software Professionals - http://www.afsp.org.uk/



From alan at tomun.org  Wed Sep 17 18:56:00 2003
From: alan at tomun.org (Alan James)
Date: Wed Sep 17 17:56:00 2003
Subject: [Beds] (Ab)use of mailing list
In-Reply-To: <200309171737.32798.neil@darlow.co.uk>
References: <200309171737.32798.neil@darlow.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20030917165548.GA15900@tomun.org>

On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 05:37:32PM +0100, Neil Darlow wrote:
> 
> Please can you assist me by subscribing any address you use to post. It 
> doesn't matter to the list manager that members subscribe both home and work 
> addresses.

Don't forget you can subscribe an address and set it not to receive any mail.
There's a setting for it in the mailman web interface somewhere.

Alan.
-- 
http://www.maketradefair.com/


From neil.darlow at ntlworld.com  Wed Sep 17 19:10:00 2003
From: neil.darlow at ntlworld.com (Neil Darlow)
Date: Wed Sep 17 18:10:00 2003
Subject: [Beds] Fwd: action week against EU software patent plans
Message-ID: <200309171743.10795.neil.darlow@ntlworld.com>

Hi All,

I've been asked to forward the following to the list. It's a subject that 
affects us all and is worth reading.

----------  Forwarded Message  ----------

Subject: action week against EU software patent plans
Date: Wednesday 17 Sep 2003 3:13 am
From: FFII/Eurolinux - Olaf Buddenhagen <muenchen0309@ffii.org>

Hello Linux supporters!

(We send this message to you as the contact person of your Linux User Group.
Please forward it to the other members.)

Surely you know the deadly danger imposed on free software by software
 patents.

Under the influence of the patent lobby, the European Parliament is about to
pass a directive allowing extremely broad software patentability -- harming
 not only GNU/Linux and free software in general, but also imposing danger on
 every programmer, web publisher, computer user, and severly demaging the
 European economy.

With massive protests organized by the FFII, we succeeded in thwarting a
premature decision, and mobilizing public resistence by citizens,
 enterprizes, trade associations, and politicians.

September 24th has been set as a new date for the decision in European
Parliament. Encouraged by the recent success, we are planning even wider
protests before the decision this time, to further raise public awareness of
the problem.

Besides of a second online demonstration, we want to organize mini-demos/info
stands during the week between September 17th and September 24th in as many
European cities as possible. We need your help with this. Although software
patents are not only a concern for GNU/Linux users, we believe that the LUGs
feature an exceptional combination of people strongly interested in stopping
software patents, and the organisation (mailing lists etc.) necessary to line
up such an event in a short run.

That's why we beg you to help us, to prevent a patent disaster.

http://netrik.sf.net/swpatents_de.html offers general information on software
patents, the current situation, and the planned actions.

Organising the info stands is done via the wiki at
http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/InfoStands for the most part. You'll find tips
there what to take care of when organizing such an event, as well as
 dedicated pages for each single demo, for interchange amongst those
 interested. Please simply add a new page for you city if noone exists yet.
 (To achieve this, klick the "edit" button; then insert the name into the
 existing list, following the scheme InfoStandCityname; confirm with "save";
 and now follow the newly created link with the question mark.)

There is also irc.debian.org#bxl-ffii; usually, there are some FFII members
present.

If you have further important questions, simply send a reply here.

-------------------------------------------------------

Regards,
Neil Darlow M.Sc.
-- 
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Free Software and Open Standards Consultants - http://www.darlow.co.uk/
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From neil at darlow.co.uk  Mon Sep 29 08:09:11 2003
From: neil at darlow.co.uk (Neil Darlow)
Date: Mon Sep 29 08:09:13 2003
Subject: [Beds] October Meeting
Message-ID: <200309290809.09083.neil@darlow.co.uk>

Hi All,

You may be aware that our October meeting day falls on the second day of
Linux Expo 2003, Olympia, London.

In light of this, I propose we slip the meeting to the following Thursday 16th 
October at our usual venue and time.

For those not attending the Linux Expo this will afford an opportunity to be 
briefed by those who did.

Regards,
Neil Darlow M.Sc.
-- 
ICQ: 135505456  E-Mail, Jabber and MSNM: <neil at darlow.co.uk>
Free Software and Open Standards Consultants - http://www.darlow.co.uk/
The Association of Free Software Professionals - http://www.afsp.org.uk/