From dh at iucr.org Tue Oct 10 11:49:26 2006 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:49:26 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] setting the default application for a particular file mime type in gnome. Message-ID: <200610101249.24116.dh@iucr.org> Anyone know how to associated a particular application with a file mime type for nautilus/gnome. e.g.  file.xxx          It seems you can do "open with" then choose a custom application but it does not seem to give you the option to make this the default action.   thanks,          Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From paul.sinclair at which.net Tue Oct 10 15:19:02 2006 From: paul.sinclair at which.net (Paul Sinclair) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:19:02 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] setting the default application for a particular file mime type in gnome. In-Reply-To: <200610101249.24116.dh@iucr.org> References: <200610101249.24116.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: <452BB9E9.8070908@which.net> David Holden wrote: >Anyone know how to associated a particular application with a file mime type >for nautilus/gnome. > >e.g. > > file.xxx > > >It seems you can do "open with" then choose a custom application but it does >not seem to give you the option to make this the default action. > > thanks, > > Dave. > > > In nautilus try right click the file, go to properties and then the open with tab. There must be a configuration file somewhere. Hope that helps. Paul From dh at iucr.org Tue Oct 10 15:48:09 2006 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:48:09 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] setting the default application for a particular =?utf-8?q?file=09mime_type_in?= gnome. In-Reply-To: <452BB9E9.8070908@which.net> References: <200610101249.24116.dh@iucr.org> <452BB9E9.8070908@which.net> Message-ID: <200610101648.08602.dh@iucr.org> On Tuesday 10 October 2006 16:19, Paul Sinclair wrote: > David Holden wrote: > >Anyone know how to associated a particular application with a file mime > > type for nautilus/gnome. > > > >e.g. > > > > file.xxx > > > > > >It seems you can do "open with" then choose a custom application but it > > does not seem to give you the option to make this the default action. > > > > thanks, > > > > Dave. > > In nautilus try right click the file, go to properties and then the open > with tab. There must be a configuration file somewhere. > Hope that helps. > Paul Unfortunately this does it for all files of type "plain/text" I just want to change the associated application for files of type ".xxx". Gnome seems to assume that all files that it does not know the mime type of are type "Plain/text" so If I change the default application of "file.xxx" where gnome does not know the ".xxx" suffix it changes the default application for all text/plain files. Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From fgaughan at gmail.com Mon Oct 16 15:53:47 2006 From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:53:47 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Mag Message-ID: In Linux Format magazine there is a list of uk lug. Chester is not on the list so wouldn't it be a good idea for chester to be listed in there Fintan From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Oct 17 21:01:51 2006 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:01:51 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Mag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Fintan, I emailed the magazine about that a couple of weeks ago, but I never had a response. It could be that it takes ages to filter through to the production. I'll chase it up again if I don't hear anything soon. Les On 10/16/06, Fintan Gaughan wrote: > > In Linux Format magazine there is a list of uk lug. > Chester is not on the list so wouldn't it be a good idea for chester > to be listed in there > > Fintan > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From fgaughan at gmail.com Thu Oct 19 13:11:08 2006 From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:11:08 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] October Meet In-Reply-To: <200610191012.56702.dh@iucr.org> References: <200610191012.56702.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: On 19/10/06, David Holden wrote: > On Wednesday 18 October 2006 22:53, Les Pritchard wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Just a reminder that the next Chester LUG meet is happening next Thursday > > (26th) at 7pm. > > > > We'll be meeting at the Old King's Head pub. > > > > http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/United_Kingdom/England/Cheshire > >/ Chester-315411/Restaurants-Chester-Old_Kings_Head-BR-1.html > > > > See you there! > > > > Les > > Won't be able to make that one, going to linux expo. > > Cheers, > > Dave. > Lucky man! Hope you take lots of photos for us :-) Fintan From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Oct 24 20:28:25 2006 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:28:25 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are BSD people welcome ;) Message-ID: Hi everyone, First post to the group, been a bit of a lurker. Are BSD (wannabies ;) ) welcome ;) Seriously though what goes on at these meets because i've never been to one before ? I'm coming for the first time on Thursday just for a chat and a few beers. Regards Stuart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Wed Oct 25 15:59:35 2006 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:59:35 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are BSD people welcome ;) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200610251659.18462.dh@iucr.org> On Tuesday 24 October 2006 21:28, Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi everyone, > > First post to the group, been a bit of a lurker. Are BSD (wannabies ;) ) > welcome ;) > > Seriously though what goes on at these meets because i've never been to one > before ? I'm coming for the first time on Thursday just for a chat and a > few beers. > > Regards > > Stuart > I'm coming for the first time on Thursday just for a chat and a > few beers. This is what goes on ;) Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From les.pritchard at gmail.com Wed Oct 25 20:19:20 2006 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:19:20 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are BSD people welcome ;) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Stuart - welcome to the list! Yes Dave said it - it's basically a social get together to talk about anything techie really. BSD users are definitely welcome, I'm a BSD user as well. I know that it's a LUG in name, but anything OpenSource is really of interest to the group. See you (and everyone) tomorrow. Les On 10/24/06, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > First post to the group, been a bit of a lurker. Are BSD (wannabies ;) ) > welcome ;) > > Seriously though what goes on at these meets because i've never been to > one before ? I'm coming for the first time on Thursday just for a chat and a > few beers. > > Regards > > Stuart > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 12:28:57 2006 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:28:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] What do you guys do with old hardware Message-ID: Seems a simple question really, but where I work I we PAY some person to take away all our "old" machines. I currently have a few knocking round and it seems a pity for them to go into landfill because at the end of the day they are still good machines, but they have gotten bit rot etc and slowwwweeeed right down. Nothing a format and a light windows manager wouldnt cure The specs of the machines that I *may* - subject to company approval be getting rid of are: 4/5 Compaq Ipaqs, ranging from P2-450s to P3 800s with memory and hard drives 1 HP P3 450 1 PowerEdge 800 1 PowerEdge 450 with ~30 GB RAID array There may even be the following depending if our upgrade over the next few weeks goes to plan 1 Dual Xeon 1 GHz/1Gb RAM/19GB RAID 5 array 2u Rackmount 1 PowerEdge 800 1 PowerEdge 4300 450Mhz with ~30 GB RAID array with tape drive Problem that I have is, i use freecycle for most stuff, but unfortunatly with the PCs you either get a) well intentioned newbs who doent understand IT at all and feel they have a right to phone you up at 9pm because program "coolgame.exe" doesnt work or b) people take the stuff I gave for free (ie a few p3 machines, printers etc ) and sell them on ebay ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 13:20:43 2006 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:20:43 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] What do you guys do with old hardware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Stuart, There's several things you can do with old kit like that. As you say, they're not bin jobs yet - far from it. There are charities that will take the boxes off your hands and pass them on to community projects. I could see the laptops being particularly suited for that, but the server boxes would also work well as terminal servers. What I sometimes do is just pass them on to local non-profit organisations I know of. Perhaps this could be a worth while thing for the Chester LUG to consider doing - collecting kit like this and donate it to local causes....complete with Linux / BSD installed of course!! That could bring publicity for Linux, Open Source and the Chester LUG as well as helping out these people. If your company would go for that - would anybody else be interested in doing this kind of thing? If we share it between a few of us, I'm sure it wouldn't be too bad. I know several people on the list (me included!) and other friends wouldn't mind some of the kit to play with themselves...but I'm just trying to think of this from the good cause, Open Source style approach of benefiting the community as a whole. (Plus the Techies Against Sleeping on the Sofa issue many face when bringing back "another box" ;-) ) Thanks Les On 10/26/06, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Seems a simple question really, but where I work I we PAY some person to > take away all our "old" machines. > > I currently have a few knocking round and it seems a pity for them to go > into landfill because at the end of the day they are still good machines, > but they have gotten bit rot etc and slowwwweeeed right down. Nothing a > format and a light windows manager wouldnt cure > > The specs of the machines that I *may* - subject to company approval be > getting rid of are: > > 4/5 Compaq Ipaqs, ranging from P2-450s to P3 800s with memory and hard > drives > 1 HP P3 450 > 1 PowerEdge 800 > 1 PowerEdge 450 with ~30 GB RAID array > > There may even be the following depending if our upgrade over the next few > weeks goes to plan > 1 Dual Xeon 1 GHz/1Gb RAM/19GB RAID 5 array 2u Rackmount > 1 PowerEdge 800 > 1 PowerEdge 4300 450Mhz with ~30 GB RAID array with tape drive > > Problem that I have is, i use freecycle for most stuff, but unfortunatly > with the PCs you either get a) well intentioned newbs who doent understand > IT at all and feel they have a right to phone you up at 9pm because program > "coolgame.exe" doesnt work or b) people take the stuff I gave for free (ie > a few p3 machines, printers etc ) and sell them on ebay ! > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 14:08:04 2006 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:08:04 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] What do you guys do with old hardware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Les, Yeah, The thing as a group as sounds good because I have tried before to try and get the local council involved, wrote a nice letter to the local council and MP to see if a) they could help or b) donate to a worthy cause. It was a big fat NO from both of them, but I really think it could be a good idea. For example I know a lot of colleges are paying "scrap merchants" to take away fully working P3 1GHz machines every term end when they get the new 3 GHz dual core machines etc I'd be interested in doing it and if it works, it would save this company at least a few hundred a year in "landfill fees" not that it would end up in the landfill, if you get my meaning. I mean, on top of all that kit, I have 3 17" crts that are going in the bin so to speak, and its just wasteful ! And just think, if our 100 person company has these machines kicking about a lot of others must have an even bigger amount. ie Octel, Shell, all the financial service companies in chester and the like (although I have no doubt that they have removal mechanisms in place) Only problem I forsee that would be a pain is when they try and install "Need for speed 3" on the linux boxen ;) Interesting thought though! On 10/26/06, Les Pritchard wrote: > > Hi Stuart, > > There's several things you can do with old kit like that. As you say, > they're not bin jobs yet - far from it. There are charities that will take > the boxes off your hands and pass them on to community projects. I could > see the laptops being particularly suited for that, but the server boxes > would also work well as terminal servers. What I sometimes do is just pass > them on to local non-profit organisations I know of. Perhaps this could be > a worth while thing for the Chester LUG to consider doing - collecting kit > like this and donate it to local causes....complete with Linux / BSD > installed of course!! That could bring publicity for Linux, Open Source and > the Chester LUG as well as helping out these people. > > If your company would go for that - would anybody else be interested in > doing this kind of thing? If we share it between a few of us, I'm sure it > wouldn't be too bad. > > I know several people on the list (me included!) and other friends > wouldn't mind some of the kit to play with themselves...but I'm just trying > to think of this from the good cause, Open Source style approach of > benefiting the community as a whole. (Plus the Techies Against Sleeping on > the Sofa issue many face when bringing back "another box" ;-) ) > > Thanks > > Les > > On 10/26/06, Stuart Burns < stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Seems a simple question really, but where I work I we PAY some person to > > take away all our "old" machines. > > > > I currently have a few knocking round and it seems a pity for them to go > > into landfill because at the end of the day they are still good machines, > > but they have gotten bit rot etc and slowwwweeeed right down. Nothing a > > format and a light windows manager wouldnt cure > > > > The specs of the machines that I *may* - subject to company approval be > > getting rid of are: > > > > 4/5 Compaq Ipaqs, ranging from P2-450s to P3 800s with memory and hard > > drives > > 1 HP P3 450 > > 1 PowerEdge 800 > > 1 PowerEdge 450 with ~30 GB RAID array > > > > There may even be the following depending if our upgrade over the next > > few weeks goes to plan > > 1 Dual Xeon 1 GHz/1Gb RAM/19GB RAID 5 array 2u Rackmount > > 1 PowerEdge 800 > > 1 PowerEdge 4300 450Mhz with ~30 GB RAID array with tape drive > > > > Problem that I have is, i use freecycle for most stuff, but unfortunatly > > with the PCs you either get a) well intentioned newbs who doent understand > > IT at all and feel they have a right to phone you up at 9pm because program > > "coolgame.exe" doesnt work or b) people take the stuff I gave for free > > (ie a few p3 machines, printers etc ) and sell them on ebay ! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I understand the problems of big CRTs, but then desk space is often cheaper than slim screens. And on the subject desks or filing cabinets 'a bit too scratched for posh offices' are also in demand. I've got a van! Maybe I should come tonight. Roger. Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi Les, > > Yeah, The thing as a group as sounds good because I have tried before > to try and get the local council involved, wrote a nice letter to the > local council and MP to see if a) they could help or b) donate to a > worthy cause. It was a big fat NO from both of them, but I really > think it could be a good idea. For example I know a lot of colleges > are paying "scrap merchants" to take away fully working P3 1GHz > machines every term end when they get the new 3 GHz dual core machines etc > > I'd be interested in doing it and if it works, it would save this > company at least a few hundred a year in "landfill fees" not that it > would end up in the landfill, if you get my meaning. > > I mean, on top of all that kit, I have 3 17" crts that are going in > the bin so to speak, and its just wasteful ! And just think, if our > 100 person company has these machines kicking about a lot of others > must have an even bigger amount. ie Octel, Shell, all the financial > service companies in chester and the like (although I have no doubt > that they have removal mechanisms in place) > > Only problem I forsee that would be a pain is when they try and > install "Need for speed 3" on the linux boxen ;) > > Interesting thought though! > > On 10/26/06, *Les Pritchard* > wrote: > > Hi Stuart, > > There's several things you can do with old kit like that. As you > say, they're not bin jobs yet - far from it. There are charities > that will take the boxes off your hands and pass them on to > community projects. I could see the laptops being particularly > suited for that, but the server boxes would also work well as > terminal servers. What I sometimes do is just pass them on to > local non-profit organisations I know of. Perhaps this could be a > worth while thing for the Chester LUG to consider doing - > collecting kit like this and donate it to local causes....complete > with Linux / BSD installed of course!! That could bring publicity > for Linux, Open Source and the Chester LUG as well as helping out > these people. > > If your company would go for that - would anybody else be > interested in doing this kind of thing? If we share it between a > few of us, I'm sure it wouldn't be too bad. > > I know several people on the list (me included!) and other friends > wouldn't mind some of the kit to play with themselves...but I'm > just trying to think of this from the good cause, Open Source > style approach of benefiting the community as a whole. (Plus the > Techies Against Sleeping on the Sofa issue many face when bringing > back "another box" ;-) ) > > Thanks > > Les > > On 10/26/06, *Stuart Burns* < stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > > wrote: > > Seems a simple question really, but where I work I we PAY some > person to take away all our "old" machines. > > I currently have a few knocking round and it seems a pity for > them to go into landfill because at the end of the day they > are still good machines, but they have gotten bit rot etc and > slowwwweeeed right down. Nothing a format and a light windows > manager wouldnt cure > > The specs of the machines that I *may* - subject to company > approval be getting rid of are: > > 4/5 Compaq Ipaqs, ranging from P2-450s to P3 800s with memory > and hard drives > 1 HP P3 450 > 1 PowerEdge 800 > 1 PowerEdge 450 with ~30 GB RAID array > > There may even be the following depending if our upgrade over > the next few weeks goes to plan > 1 Dual Xeon 1 GHz/1Gb RAM/19GB RAID 5 array 2u Rackmount > 1 PowerEdge 800 > 1 PowerEdge 4300 450Mhz with ~30 GB RAID array with tape drive > > Problem that I have is, i use freecycle for most stuff, but > unfortunatly with the PCs you either get a) well intentioned > newbs who doent understand IT at all and feel they have a > right to phone you up at 9pm because program "coolgame.exe" > doesnt work or b) people take the stuff I gave for free (ie a > few p3 machines, printers etc ) and sell them on ebay ! > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Chester mailing list >Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgaughan at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 14:47:05 2006 From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:47:05 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] What do you guys do with old hardware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 26/10/06, Stuart Burns wrote: > I mean, on top of all that kit, I have 3 17" crts that are going in the bin > so to speak, and its just wasteful ! I have been looking out for monitors for my Mum as she is waiting for monitor replacement and PC world taking a long time about it. as they say its hard to replace old fashioned model blah blah. been a week without a monitor and mean while she is waiting for a replacement I have been looking out for a monitor. I live in North Yorkshire with this Lug http://ryedale.lug.org.uk I know your gonna say why I have subscribed to this list I used to live in Chester and visit every now and again and if meetings on date that I am there I will pop round and visit Anyway let me know if anyone chucking out a monitor that we could have Fintan --- http://www.finllfixit.co.uk/ From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 14:50:23 2006 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:50:23 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] What do you guys do with old hardware In-Reply-To: <4540C632.20207@talktalk.net> References: <4540C632.20207@talktalk.net> Message-ID: Hi Roger - don't know why the spam filter didn't like your email....especially when it let the second (which included the original content) through! Anyway, yes this kit could be well suited for that kind of situation. It would be good if you are able to come along tonight, I suspect this topic will be one of the topics of the night. On 10/26/06, Roger Gibson wrote: > > Looks like I'm too busy to come tonight, but as some of you may have > gathered I'm involved with a Chester charity, CHAPTER, and having been > offered very cheap legit Windoze software at charity rates, am resigned to > sticking with MS XP for now as that is what the 'workers' understand. > However, any hardware capable of running XP Office at a sensible speed with > a centrally networked file system to allow hot desking, I would collect > tomorrow, and system administer myself. I understand the problems of big > CRTs, but then desk space is often cheaper than slim screens. And on the > subject desks or filing cabinets 'a bit too scratched for posh offices' are > also in demand. I've got a van! Maybe I should come tonight. Roger. > > Stuart Burns wrote: > > Hi Les, > > Yeah, The thing as a group as sounds good because I have tried before to > try and get the local council involved, wrote a nice letter to the local > council and MP to see if a) they could help or b) donate to a worthy cause. > It was a big fat NO from both of them, but I really think it could be a good > idea. For example I know a lot of colleges are paying "scrap merchants" to > take away fully working P3 1GHz machines every term end when they get the > new 3 GHz dual core machines etc > > I'd be interested in doing it and if it works, it would save this company > at least a few hundred a year in "landfill fees" not that it would end up in > the landfill, if you get my meaning. > > I mean, on top of all that kit, I have 3 17" crts that are going in the > bin so to speak, and its just wasteful ! And just think, if our 100 person > company has these machines kicking about a lot of others must have an even > bigger amount. ie Octel, Shell, all the financial service companies in > chester and the like (although I have no doubt that they have removal > mechanisms in place) > > Only problem I forsee that would be a pain is when they try and install > "Need for speed 3" on the linux boxen ;) > > Interesting thought though! > > On 10/26/06, Les Pritchard wrote: > > > > Hi Stuart, > > > > There's several things you can do with old kit like that. As you say, > > they're not bin jobs yet - far from it. There are charities that will take > > the boxes off your hands and pass them on to community projects. I could > > see the laptops being particularly suited for that, but the server boxes > > would also work well as terminal servers. What I sometimes do is just pass > > them on to local non-profit organisations I know of. Perhaps this could be > > a worth while thing for the Chester LUG to consider doing - collecting kit > > like this and donate it to local causes....complete with Linux / BSD > > installed of course!! That could bring publicity for Linux, Open Source and > > the Chester LUG as well as helping out these people. > > > > If your company would go for that - would anybody else be interested in > > doing this kind of thing? If we share it between a few of us, I'm sure it > > wouldn't be too bad. > > > > I know several people on the list (me included!) and other friends > > wouldn't mind some of the kit to play with themselves...but I'm just trying > > to think of this from the good cause, Open Source style approach of > > benefiting the community as a whole. (Plus the Techies Against Sleeping on > > the Sofa issue many face when bringing back "another box" ;-) ) > > > > Thanks > > > > Les > > > > On 10/26/06, Stuart Burns < stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Seems a simple question really, but where I work I we PAY some person > > > to take away all our "old" machines. > > > > > > I currently have a few knocking round and it seems a pity for them to > > > go into landfill because at the end of the day they are still good machines, > > > but they have gotten bit rot etc and slowwwweeeed right down. Nothing a > > > format and a light windows manager wouldnt cure > > > > > > The specs of the machines that I *may* - subject to company approval > > > be getting rid of are: > > > > > > 4/5 Compaq Ipaqs, ranging from P2-450s to P3 800s with memory and hard > > > drives > > > 1 HP P3 450 > > > 1 PowerEdge 800 > > > 1 PowerEdge 450 with ~30 GB RAID array > > > > > > There may even be the following depending if our upgrade over the next > > > few weeks goes to plan > > > 1 Dual Xeon 1 GHz/1Gb RAM/19GB RAID 5 array 2u Rackmount > > > 1 PowerEdge 800 > > > 1 PowerEdge 4300 450Mhz with ~30 GB RAID array with tape drive > > > > > > Problem that I have is, i use freecycle for most stuff, but > > > unfortunatly with the PCs you either get a) well intentioned newbs who doent > > > understand IT at all and feel they have a right to phone you up at 9pm > > > because program "coolgame.exe" doesnt work or b) people take the stuff > > > I gave for free (ie a few p3 machines, printers etc ) and sell them on ebay > > > ! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chester mailing list > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.ukhttps://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Oct 26 14:54:51 2006 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:54:51 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] What do you guys do with old hardware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just an after thought. You mentioned a rack-mounted server as one of the potentials to be thrown out. As you know, a rack mount system is ideal for hosting in a data centre. If that one does become available, I'd like to see if we could find some way of hosting it somewhere...then maybe we could offer very cheap or free hosting for the charities and non-profit organisations. On 10/26/06, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Hi Les, > > Yeah, The thing as a group as sounds good because I have tried before to > try and get the local council involved, wrote a nice letter to the local > council and MP to see if a) they could help or b) donate to a worthy cause. > It was a big fat NO from both of them, but I really think it could be a good > idea. For example I know a lot of colleges are paying "scrap merchants" to > take away fully working P3 1GHz machines every term end when they get the > new 3 GHz dual core machines etc > > I'd be interested in doing it and if it works, it would save this company > at least a few hundred a year in "landfill fees" not that it would end up in > the landfill, if you get my meaning. > > I mean, on top of all that kit, I have 3 17" crts that are going in the > bin so to speak, and its just wasteful ! And just think, if our 100 person > company has these machines kicking about a lot of others must have an even > bigger amount. ie Octel, Shell, all the financial service companies in > chester and the like (although I have no doubt that they have removal > mechanisms in place) > > Only problem I forsee that would be a pain is when they try and install > "Need for speed 3" on the linux boxen ;) > > Interesting thought though! > > On 10/26/06, Les Pritchard wrote: > > > > Hi Stuart, > > > > There's several things you can do with old kit like that. As you say, > > they're not bin jobs yet - far from it. There are charities that will take > > the boxes off your hands and pass them on to community projects. I could > > see the laptops being particularly suited for that, but the server boxes > > would also work well as terminal servers. What I sometimes do is just pass > > them on to local non-profit organisations I know of. Perhaps this could be > > a worth while thing for the Chester LUG to consider doing - collecting kit > > like this and donate it to local causes....complete with Linux / BSD > > installed of course!! That could bring publicity for Linux, Open Source and > > the Chester LUG as well as helping out these people. > > > > If your company would go for that - would anybody else be interested in > > doing this kind of thing? If we share it between a few of us, I'm sure it > > wouldn't be too bad. > > > > I know several people on the list (me included!) and other friends > > wouldn't mind some of the kit to play with themselves...but I'm just trying > > to think of this from the good cause, Open Source style approach of > > benefiting the community as a whole. (Plus the Techies Against Sleeping on > > the Sofa issue many face when bringing back "another box" ;-) ) > > > > Thanks > > > > Les > > > > On 10/26/06, Stuart Burns < stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Seems a simple question really, but where I work I we PAY some person > > > to take away all our "old" machines. > > > > > > I currently have a few knocking round and it seems a pity for them to > > > go into landfill because at the end of the day they are still good machines, > > > but they have gotten bit rot etc and slowwwweeeed right down. Nothing a > > > format and a light windows manager wouldnt cure > > > > > > The specs of the machines that I *may* - subject to company approval > > > be getting rid of are: > > > > > > 4/5 Compaq Ipaqs, ranging from P2-450s to P3 800s with memory and hard > > > drives > > > 1 HP P3 450 > > > 1 PowerEdge 800 > > > 1 PowerEdge 450 with ~30 GB RAID array > > > > > > There may even be the following depending if our upgrade over the next > > > few weeks goes to plan > > > 1 Dual Xeon 1 GHz/1Gb RAM/19GB RAID 5 array 2u Rackmount > > > 1 PowerEdge 800 > > > 1 PowerEdge 4300 450Mhz with ~30 GB RAID array with tape drive > > > > > > Problem that I have is, i use freecycle for most stuff, but > > > unfortunatly with the PCs you either get a) well intentioned newbs who doent > > > understand IT at all and feel they have a right to phone you up at 9pm > > > because program "coolgame.exe" doesnt work or b) people take the stuff > > > I gave for free (ie a few p3 machines, printers etc ) and sell them on ebay > > > ! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chester mailing list > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Les On 10/27/06, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Just a quick note to Everyone last to say I had a great time and I hope we > can implement some of the ideas we had ! > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcgibson at talktalk.net Fri Oct 27 10:12:43 2006 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:12:43 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] What do you guys do with old hardware In-Reply-To: References: <4540C632.20207@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <4541DB8E.9070904@talktalk.net> I'm looking into protocols for companies disposing of computing equipment to Charities in the light of waste disposal regulation. My wife, who chairs CHAPTER was very pleased to hear that we may be able to source some PCs for CHAPTER, and asked, 'Any chance of any battered filing cabinets?!'. Glad I made it in the end. Les Pritchard wrote: > Definately - I think this could really have some potential as a > project. 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URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Fri Oct 27 13:04:48 2006 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:04:48 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] What do you guys do with old hardware In-Reply-To: <4541DB8E.9070904@talktalk.net> References: <4540C632.20207@talktalk.net> <4541DB8E.9070904@talktalk.net> Message-ID: i don't think the company would be too happy to be indundated by computer peeps drippling over the Xeons and getting all techo loved up ;) but i can get some pics im sure. Im also about to go ask if we can donate these pcs. On 10/27/06, Roger Gibson wrote: > > I'm looking into protocols for companies disposing of computing equipment > to Charities in the light of waste disposal regulation. My wife, who chairs > CHAPTER was very pleased to hear that we may be able to source some PCs for > CHAPTER, and asked, 'Any chance of any battered filing cabinets?!'. Glad I > made it in the end. > > Les Pritchard wrote: > > Definately - I think this could really have some potential as a project. > Thanks everyone for your input so far. > > Les > > On 10/27/06, Stuart Burns < stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Just a quick note to Everyone last to say I had a great time and I hope > > we can implement some of the ideas we had ! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smedley358 at btinternet.com Fri Oct 27 16:16:01 2006 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:16:01 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] What do you guys do with old hardware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200610271715.55560.smedley358@btinternet.com> On Thursday 26 October 2006 13:28, Stuart Burns wrote: > Seems a simple question really, but where I work I we PAY some person to > take away all our "old" machines. [snip] > There may even be the following depending if our upgrade over the next few > weeks goes to plan > 1 Dual Xeon 1 GHz/1Gb RAM/19GB RAID 5 array 2u Rackmount > 1 PowerEdge 800 > 1 PowerEdge 4300 450Mhz with ~30 GB RAID array with tape drive Hello Stuart, I'm setting up a new social enterprise which will collect old IT kit like this, train unemployed adults to install GNU/Linux and other Free Software on it, and supply it to community projects and families without computers in deprived areas. We will be launching at the end of January (give or take a few weeks), but I am trying to sort out storage before then so that we can start accepting equipment donations. I am happy to talk about this on- or off-list with any interested parties. :-) - Richard -- Richard Smedley, Richard at sc.lug.org.uk Sustainable IT Consultant, ``Software Freedom for the Voluntary Sector'' From smedley358 at btinternet.com Fri Oct 27 16:20:10 2006 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:20:10 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] What do you guys do with old hardware In-Reply-To: <4540C632.20207@talktalk.net> References: <4540C632.20207@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <200610271720.07778.smedley358@btinternet.com> On Thursday 26 October 2006 15:29, Roger Gibson wrote: > Looks like I'm too busy to come tonight, but as some of you may have > gathered I'm involved with a Chester charity, CHAPTER, and having been > offered very cheap legit Windoze software at charity rates, am resigned > to sticking with MS XP for now as that is what the 'workers' > understand. Hello Roger, For the past year I've been installing Free Software desktops for voluntary groups in Shrops and Staffs. My experience is that a little training is enough for most users - with only Windows ``power'' users remaining disoriented. The Ingots are a great certification to go with the training - meaning volunteers are rewarded for their help. Extra training for whoever normally gets asked IT questions in the office also drastically reduces support calls. - Richard -- Richard Smedley, Richard at sc.lug.org.uk Sustainable IT Consultant, ``Software Freedom for the Voluntary Sector'' From smedley358 at btinternet.com Fri Oct 27 16:27:05 2006 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:27:05 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] What do you guys do with old hardware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200610271727.01453.smedley358@btinternet.com> On Thursday 26 October 2006 15:46, Fintan Gaughan wrote: > Anyway let me know if anyone chucking out a monitor that we could have Hello Fintan, Have you tried your local freecycle group? http://freecycle.org/display.php?region=United%20Kingdom [1] The Cheshire ones are full of monitors of all sizes. - Richard [1] Yes, that's right - there are still people making files with spaces in their names, and publishing them on the inter-web :-/ -- Richard Smedley, Richard at sc.lug.org.uk Sustainable IT Consultant, ``Software Freedom for the Voluntary Sector'' From tim at hotwood.force9.co.uk Fri Oct 27 17:02:22 2006 From: tim at hotwood.force9.co.uk (Tim White) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 17:02:22 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Recycling kit Message-ID: <200610271805.13801.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> Hi Interesting meeting last night, I hope we can make something happen after all those good ideas. I mentioned a colleague who has professional knowledge of WEEE matters. I've emailed him for advice, and also found a briefing paper he wrote for the HE sector a while ago. It's quite long, so I won't post it all, I'll bring it to the next meeting, but here's a couple of extracts: "If a use cannot be found within the University and equipment is still functioning – even if judged obsolete for University use – then it may be donated to an appropriate organisation established for refurbishing for re-use by a voluntary organisation or charity. Charities themselves may have schemes, or arrange for third parties to collect on their behalf and schools may also be willing to accept such equipment. Preference regarding charities should be given in the order of local, national then international to avoid excess transportation and the negative effects on the environment. Steps should be taken to ensure that the final destination of the equipment is known to avoid accusations of “dumping” current waste equipment into the developing world thus creating a future waste issue. This route may only be used where both data and any University-owned or licensed software has been completely and systematically erased from the equipment’s memory." "Before selecting an organisation to whom to give the equipment we strongly recommend that you contact your local Environment Agency – SEPA in Scotland www.sepa.org or EA http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk for England and Wales – and ask if the company has a licence to transport and/or refurbish the equipment. If the company is licensed with (EA/SEPA) they will have measures in place for the final disposal of the equipment with a licensed recycler and may even have ISO14001 or at the very least have an agreement with a licensed recycler. Any organisation that is not licensed may not have adequate provision for this so the equipment may still find it’s way into the general waste stream and cause harm to the environment. The risk to the University is that its Duty of Care obligations under the Environment Protection Act and Data Protection obligations will not be met by using unlicenced organisations." Having read this I wonder if it's not too big a job for us, as an informal unconstituted group, to get all this certification etc. Maybe the way forward is to work in partnership with an established recycler? There are several businesses and non-profits that already do this kind of thing, here's a couple that I understand are reputable: www.recycle-it.ltd.uk www.itforcharities.co.uk both have more information about recycling in general on their sites. Richard, has anyone brought you up to date on what we discussed last night? Sounds like something you might know about... Cheers Tim -- "Peace is not simply the absence of conflict, but the existence of justice for all people." Martin Luther King Jr. From rcgibson at talktalk.net Fri Oct 27 16:26:22 2006 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:26:22 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] What do you guys do with old hardware In-Reply-To: <200610271720.07778.smedley358@btinternet.com> References: <4540C632.20207@talktalk.net> <200610271720.07778.smedley358@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4542331C.9060707@talktalk.net> Thanks. I'll stay in touch. Richard Smedley wrote: >On Thursday 26 October 2006 15:29, Roger Gibson wrote: > > >>Looks like I'm too busy to come tonight, but as some of you may have >>gathered I'm involved with a Chester charity, CHAPTER, and having been >>offered very cheap legit Windoze software at charity rates, am resigned >>to sticking with MS XP for now as that is what the 'workers' >>understand. >> >> > >Hello Roger, > >For the past year I've been installing Free Software desktops >for voluntary groups in Shrops and Staffs. My experience is that >a little training is enough for most users - with only Windows >``power'' users remaining disoriented. The Ingots are a >great certification to go with the training - meaning volunteers >are rewarded for their help. > >Extra training for whoever normally gets asked IT questions >in the office also drastically reduces support calls. > > - Richard > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course this is probably because everyone is accepting the business case for Free Software, and doesn't feel the need to get to a show to see what it is :-) Is there going to be a write-up somewhere about the decisions of last night's meeting? It sounds like something I'd be interested in hearing about :-) - Richard [1] http://www.fsfeurope.org/ Support the work of FSF-Europe: http://www.fsfe.org/ -- Richard Smedley, Richard at sc.lug.org.uk Sustainable IT Consultant, ``Software Freedom for the Voluntary Sector'' From les.pritchard at gmail.com Sat Oct 28 11:36:28 2006 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 11:36:28 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Recycling kit In-Reply-To: <200610272106.22996.smedley358@btinternet.com> References: <200610271805.13801.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> <200610272106.22996.smedley358@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard, sounds like you had a good time at the Expo. Your name did come up a few times in the meet as we knew you were interested in this topic. Hopefully with your experience and what Tim has found out we can get something going here. I'll try and note down what we discussed at the meet so you can have a read. Les On 10/27/06, Richard Smedley wrote: > > Hello Tim, > > On Friday 27 October 2006 18:05, Tim White wrote: > > Interesting meeting last night, I hope we can make something happen > after > > all those good ideas. > [snip] > > Richard, has anyone brought you up to date on what we discussed last > night? > > Sounds like something you might know about... > > No - I'm afraid I missed the meeting because I was travelling back from > LinuxWorld Expo. I did some time on the FSF-Europe [1] stall, and it > was a good show for us, but I have to say for businesses the shows > just seem to get smaller. Of course this is probably because everyone > is accepting the business case for Free Software, and doesn't feel the > need > to get to a show to see what it is :-) > > Is there going to be a write-up somewhere about the decisions of > last night's meeting? It sounds like something I'd be interested in > hearing > about :-) > > - Richard > > [1] http://www.fsfeurope.org/ > Support the work of FSF-Europe: http://www.fsfe.org/ > > -- > Richard Smedley, > Richard at sc.lug.org.uk > Sustainable IT Consultant, > ``Software Freedom for the Voluntary > Sector'' > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: