From fgaughan at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 09:41:36 2007 From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 09:41:36 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Monitor Message-ID: Ok its a long shot but here goes. I will be in Chester this weekend does anybody have an old monitor that they are chucking out? My mums monitor is gone Regards, Fintan -- My Blog http://www.finllfixit.co.uk/ From rcgibson at talktalk.net Thu Feb 1 10:46:22 2007 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:46:22 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C1C4F4.1070106@talktalk.net> Yes. It is getting a just a lttle bit fuzzy, but it is a 17" one and quite usable, especially at less than 1280 X 1024. It's a big one though, not flat screen. I've been offered a better one, hence I really am throwing it out. Let me know if you want it. It is in an office by Chester Station, where you can see it. What time will you get to Chester on Friday evening? Roger Gibson 07764 186942 Fintan Gaughan wrote: > Ok its a long shot but here goes. > I will be in Chester this weekend does anybody have an old monitor > that they are chucking out? > > My mums monitor is gone > > > Regards, > Fintan > From fgaughan at gmail.com Fri Feb 2 08:46:16 2007 From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:46:16 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Monitor In-Reply-To: <45C1C4F4.1070106@talktalk.net> References: <45C1C4F4.1070106@talktalk.net> Message-ID: Thanks roger , but i got lucky as someone close to me gave me a monitor. tested it and worked perfectly :-) It was a mad rush asking everyone even on freecycle as i did not want mum spending money i rather she spend it on us .. no really i rather she spend it on going out enjoying her bingo. her comp is on duel boot windows xp and fedora core 5 guess which one she uses the most :-) Fintan On 01/02/07, Roger Gibson wrote: > Yes. It is getting a just a lttle bit fuzzy, but it is a 17" one and > quite usable, > especially at less than 1280 X 1024. It's a big one though, not flat > screen. I've been offered a better one, hence I really am throwing it out. > > Let me know if you want it. It is in an office by Chester Station, > where you can see it. What time will you get to Chester on Friday evening? > > Roger Gibson 07764 186942 > > Fintan Gaughan wrote: > > Ok its a long shot but here goes. > > I will be in Chester this weekend does anybody have an old monitor > > that they are chucking out? > > > > My mums monitor is gone > > > > > > Regards, > > Fintan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- My Blog http://www.finllfixit.co.uk/ From smedley358 at btinternet.com Tue Feb 6 09:46:23 2007 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:46:23 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] MOOX: BSI stands up for standards Message-ID: <20070206094347.33b06f95@localhost> Open Document news: BSI have raised a contradiction - holding up the fast-tracking of MS Office Open XML: http://www.computeractive.co.uk/personal-computer-world/news/2174199/microsoft-standards-bid-faces It will now be examined more thoroughly :-) Thanks to all those who helped campaign for a sensible examination of the standard. - Richard From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 18:48:46 2007 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:48:46 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology Message-ID: Hi guys, I am after a bit of feedback here. I wasn't planning on doing it, but I saw the above course advertised on slashdot. The link to it is http://www2.shu.ac.uk/prospectus/op_pglookup1.cfm?id_num=CMS034&CurrTab=5SHU is my old uni too ;) Basically I know its Suse, but I think it presents an ideal way for me as a) a mainly windows IT bod to get some credible Linux skills as well as b) getting more paper qualifications. It also includes Novell exams, although it doesn't actually say which ones. Obviously I would be doing this part time on day release, but what do you think. Would it really be worth the effort, and 6 k in cash Also I am acutely aware that Novell is currently the black sheep of the linux family, as well as who knows how well Suse is gonna fair in our new Linux world. I'm just looking for some thoughts on this one really. Would you do it ? Stu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at goatadsl.co.uk Mon Feb 19 19:35:03 2007 From: george at goatadsl.co.uk (George) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:35:03 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D9FBBD.9020101@goatadsl.co.uk> Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am after a bit of feedback here. I wasn't planning on doing it, but I > saw the above course advertised on slashdot. I had a look too out of interest after seeing the same banner. Not that I'm in the market for a degree course but it does look a little "bandwagonish" to me - if someone has done a degree in say, Software Engineering then the licence of the software they're engineering shouldn't make much of a difference to how they go about producing it, baring in mind that University is meant to teach concepts and not vocational skills. If you already have a degree I would consider doing LPI, you can do the exams at a local testing center for a small cost (about £50 I think when I looked) and even if you don't do the exams working through one of their study guides'll teach you a lot about using Linux without being too specific about how one distribution is arranged. Then, read "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" for a dash of philosophy and you're sorted :) George From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 10:53:56 2007 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:53:56 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology In-Reply-To: <45D9FBBD.9020101@goatadsl.co.uk> References: <45D9FBBD.9020101@goatadsl.co.uk> Message-ID: I'd be tempted to agree with George - it does sound like it may be the bandwagon passing (although I haven't looked in any detail of the course specifics). It all depends what you need from the course. If it's academic qualifications then yes it might be worth it, but if you want to just learn about the technology (i.e. *nix) then one of the professional courses would give you more 'real' knowledge. Academic courses have to include science and theory, which, whilst useful to know, will take time away from learning usable everyday skills. As George said, the exams are very cheap if you're happy to teach yourself. Otherwise there are plenty of intensive courses you can go on (some cheap ones involve a trip to India!) that should bring your knowledge up to scratch. Les On 2/19/07, George wrote: > > Stuart Burns wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I am after a bit of feedback here. I wasn't planning on doing it, but I > > saw the above course advertised on slashdot. > > I had a look too out of interest after seeing the same banner. Not that > I'm in the market for a degree course but it does look a little > "bandwagonish" to me - if someone has done a degree in say, Software > Engineering then the licence of the software they're engineering > shouldn't make much of a difference to how they go about producing it, > baring in mind that University is meant to teach concepts and not > vocational skills. > > If you already have a degree I would consider doing LPI, you can do the > exams at a local testing center for a small cost (about £50 I think when > I looked) and even if you don't do the exams working through one of > their study guides'll teach you a lot about using Linux without being > too specific about how one distribution is arranged. Then, read "The > Cathedral and the Bazaar" for a dash of philosophy and you're sorted :) > > George > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 11:09:59 2007 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:09:59 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology In-Reply-To: References: <45D9FBBD.9020101@goatadsl.co.uk> Message-ID: I did actually take a look at the LPI etc. I think really it is better to go for some general Linux skills. Just it would have been nice to get the MSc too, but then again, im sure I can find some use for all the money I save, including the travel, new gadget or three perhaps. I have learnt a lot about linux in the last few months. I can even say I am windows free, just if it broke broke, ie kernel went south, well it would be interesting to say the least. I think it is more tech than theory that I need, However I didn't know you could get cheap courses in India. Interesting concept. On 20/02/07, Les Pritchard wrote: > > I'd be tempted to agree with George - it does sound like it may be the > bandwagon passing (although I haven't looked in any detail of the course > specifics). > > It all depends what you need from the course. If it's academic > qualifications then yes it might be worth it, but if you want to just learn > about the technology ( i.e. *nix) then one of the professional courses > would give you more 'real' knowledge. Academic courses have to include > science and theory, which, whilst useful to know, will take time away from > learning usable everyday skills. > > As George said, the exams are very cheap if you're happy to teach > yourself. Otherwise there are plenty of intensive courses you can go on > (some cheap ones involve a trip to India!) that should bring your knowledge > up to scratch. > > Les > > On 2/19/07, George wrote: > > > > Stuart Burns wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I am after a bit of feedback here. I wasn't planning on doing it, but > > I > > > saw the above course advertised on slashdot. > > > > I had a look too out of interest after seeing the same banner. Not that > > I'm in the market for a degree course but it does look a little > > "bandwagonish" to me - if someone has done a degree in say, Software > > Engineering then the licence of the software they're engineering > > shouldn't make much of a difference to how they go about producing it, > > baring in mind that University is meant to teach concepts and not > > vocational skills. > > > > If you already have a degree I would consider doing LPI, you can do the > > exams at a local testing center for a small cost (about £50 I think when > > I looked) and even if you don't do the exams working through one of > > their study guides'll teach you a lot about using Linux without being > > too specific about how one distribution is arranged. Then, read "The > > Cathedral and the Bazaar" for a dash of philosophy and you're sorted :) > > > > George > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 11:44:32 2007 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:44:32 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet Message-ID: Hi all, I just realised that this Thursday is the last one of the month - so it's meet time! 7pm in the Old Kings Head if you can make it. I will probably be getting into Chester around 7.30, so I'll make my way to the pub then. If you are coming along, can you just send me a quick email to let me know. See you Thursday! Les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 12:27:58 2007 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:27:58 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll be there but I have ulterior motives ;) Anyone is welcome to help me get Beryl working on it. Spent several days with no luck and several broken xorg.confs On 20/02/07, Les Pritchard wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just realised that this Thursday is the last one of the month - so it's > meet time! > > 7pm in the Old Kings Head if you can make it. I will probably be getting > into Chester around 7.30, so I'll make my way to the pub then. > > If you are coming along, can you just send me a quick email to let me > know. > > See you Thursday! > > Les > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simonw at eurowrap.co.uk Tue Feb 20 11:03:01 2007 From: simonw at eurowrap.co.uk (Simon Willett) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:03:01 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology Message-ID: Do you have any details of courses in India, because that really does sound like fun? Simon ________________________________ From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Les Pritchard Sent: 20 February 2007 10:54 To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology I'd be tempted to agree with George - it does sound like it may be the bandwagon passing (although I haven't looked in any detail of the course specifics). It all depends what you need from the course. If it's academic qualifications then yes it might be worth it, but if you want to just learn about the technology ( i.e. *nix) then one of the professional courses would give you more 'real' knowledge. Academic courses have to include science and theory, which, whilst useful to know, will take time away from learning usable everyday skills. As George said, the exams are very cheap if you're happy to teach yourself. Otherwise there are plenty of intensive courses you can go on (some cheap ones involve a trip to India!) that should bring your knowledge up to scratch. Les On 2/19/07, George wrote: Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am after a bit of feedback here. I wasn't planning on doing it, but I > saw the above course advertised on slashdot. I had a look too out of interest after seeing the same banner. Not that I'm in the market for a degree course but it does look a little "bandwagonish" to me - if someone has done a degree in say, Software Engineering then the licence of the software they're engineering shouldn't make much of a difference to how they go about producing it, baring in mind that University is meant to teach concepts and not vocational skills. If you already have a degree I would consider doing LPI, you can do the exams at a local testing center for a small cost (about £50 I think when I looked) and even if you don't do the exams working through one of their study guides'll teach you a lot about using Linux without being too specific about how one distribution is arranged. Then, read "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" for a dash of philosophy and you're sorted :) George _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simonw at eurowrap.co.uk Tue Feb 20 11:46:50 2007 From: simonw at eurowrap.co.uk (Simon Willett) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:46:50 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet Message-ID: Hi Les, I would like to come along could you tell me where the Old King's Head is, and where to park? Simon ________________________________ From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Les Pritchard Sent: 20 February 2007 11:44 To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet Hi all, I just realised that this Thursday is the last one of the month - so it's meet time! 7pm in the Old Kings Head if you can make it. I will probably be getting into Chester around 7.30, so I'll make my way to the pub then. If you are coming along, can you just send me a quick email to let me know. See you Thursday! Les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 15:12:49 2007 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:12:49 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not to hand, but I'll have a word with someone who did it and see what information they have. Les On 2/20/07, Simon Willett wrote: > > Do you have any details of courses in India, because that really does > sound like fun? > > > > Simon > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto: > chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Les Pritchard > *Sent:* 20 February 2007 10:54 > *To:* chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology > > > > I'd be tempted to agree with George - it does sound like it may be the > bandwagon passing (although I haven't looked in any detail of the course > specifics). > > It all depends what you need from the course. If it's academic > qualifications then yes it might be worth it, but if you want to just learn > about the technology ( i.e. *nix) then one of the professional courses > would give you more 'real' knowledge. Academic courses have to include > science and theory, which, whilst useful to know, will take time away from > learning usable everyday skills. > > As George said, the exams are very cheap if you're happy to teach > yourself. Otherwise there are plenty of intensive courses you can go on > (some cheap ones involve a trip to India!) that should bring your knowledge > up to scratch. > > Les > > On 2/19/07, *George* wrote: > > Stuart Burns wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I am after a bit of feedback here. I wasn't planning on doing it, but I > > saw the above course advertised on slashdot. > > I had a look too out of interest after seeing the same banner. Not that > I'm in the market for a degree course but it does look a little > "bandwagonish" to me - if someone has done a degree in say, Software > Engineering then the licence of the software they're engineering > shouldn't make much of a difference to how they go about producing it, > baring in mind that University is meant to teach concepts and not > vocational skills. > > If you already have a degree I would consider doing LPI, you can do the > exams at a local testing center for a small cost (about £50 I think when > I looked) and even if you don't do the exams working through one of > their study guides'll teach you a lot about using Linux without being > too specific about how one distribution is arranged. Then, read "The > Cathedral and the Bazaar" for a dash of philosophy and you're sorted :) > > George > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 15:15:39 2007 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:15:39 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's on Lower Bridge Street in Chester. There's normally parking on the road outside, but if it's busy go down the hill and turn right before the bridge. The council offices are down there and there's normally plenty of parking on the road. We normally sit on the sofas on the right hand side of the pub. I'll do my best to remember my Tux logo sheet, so look out for that.....or quite possibly people with laptops! See you there Les On 2/20/07, Simon Willett wrote: > > Hi Les, > > I would like to come along could you tell me where the Old King's Head is, > and where to park? > > > > Simon > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto: > chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Les Pritchard > *Sent:* 20 February 2007 11:44 > *To:* chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > *Subject:* [Chester LUG] Meet > > > > Hi all, > > I just realised that this Thursday is the last one of the month - so it's > meet time! > > 7pm in the Old Kings Head if you can make it. I will probably be getting > into Chester around 7.30, so I'll make my way to the pub then. > > If you are coming along, can you just send me a quick email to let me > know. > > See you Thursday! > > Les > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgaughan at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 15:21:07 2007 From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:21:07 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 20/02/07, Stuart Burns wrote: > I'll be there but I have ulterior motives ;) Anyone is welcome to help me > get Beryl working on it. Spent several days with no luck and several broken > xorg.confs > Oh dear, Pity you don't live near me as last night I demonstrated beryl on Fedora core 6 and ubuntu at our Ryelug (Ryedale North Yorskhire) http://www.ryedale.lug.org.uk/meet.html. Your wondering why I am subscribed to Chester Lug as I left Chester almost 7 years ago but still visit few times a year to see friends and family. If there is a meeting on the week I am there I will turn up :-) Fintan From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 15:22:10 2007 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:22:10 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe we could get group discount lol On 20/02/07, Simon Willett wrote: > > Do you have any details of courses in India, because that really does > sound like fun? > > > > Simon > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto: > chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Les Pritchard > *Sent:* 20 February 2007 10:54 > *To:* chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology > > > > I'd be tempted to agree with George - it does sound like it may be the > bandwagon passing (although I haven't looked in any detail of the course > specifics). > > It all depends what you need from the course. If it's academic > qualifications then yes it might be worth it, but if you want to just learn > about the technology ( i.e. *nix) then one of the professional courses > would give you more 'real' knowledge. Academic courses have to include > science and theory, which, whilst useful to know, will take time away from > learning usable everyday skills. > > As George said, the exams are very cheap if you're happy to teach > yourself. Otherwise there are plenty of intensive courses you can go on > (some cheap ones involve a trip to India!) that should bring your knowledge > up to scratch. > > Les > > On 2/19/07, *George* wrote: > > Stuart Burns wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I am after a bit of feedback here. I wasn't planning on doing it, but I > > saw the above course advertised on slashdot. > > I had a look too out of interest after seeing the same banner. Not that > I'm in the market for a degree course but it does look a little > "bandwagonish" to me - if someone has done a degree in say, Software > Engineering then the licence of the software they're engineering > shouldn't make much of a difference to how they go about producing it, > baring in mind that University is meant to teach concepts and not > vocational skills. > > If you already have a degree I would consider doing LPI, you can do the > exams at a local testing center for a small cost (about £50 I think when > I looked) and even if you don't do the exams working through one of > their study guides'll teach you a lot about using Linux without being > too specific about how one distribution is arranged. Then, read "The > Cathedral and the Bazaar" for a dash of philosophy and you're sorted :) > > George > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 15:42:05 2007 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:42:05 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found this by googling: http://www.koenig-solutions.com/training/red_hat_training.asp?currid=7&jb=GoogleAd&gclid=CM_J_sOjvYoCFTwHQgodAVs-tw Basically a fast track 30 day course in India, trained to a RHCE for ~ £1900 or fast track 17 day for £1160 That includes everything but your flight. Intriguing prospect On 20/02/07, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Maybe we could get group discount lol > > On 20/02/07, Simon Willett wrote: > > > Do you have any details of courses in India, because that really does > > sound like fun? > > > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] > > *On Behalf Of *Les Pritchard > > *Sent:* 20 February 2007 10:54 > > *To:* chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > *Subject:* Re: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology > > > > > > > > I'd be tempted to agree with George - it does sound like it may be the > > bandwagon passing (although I haven't looked in any detail of the course > > specifics). > > > > It all depends what you need from the course. If it's academic > > qualifications then yes it might be worth it, but if you want to just learn > > about the technology ( i.e. *nix) then one of the professional courses > > would give you more 'real' knowledge. Academic courses have to include > > science and theory, which, whilst useful to know, will take time away from > > learning usable everyday skills. > > > > As George said, the exams are very cheap if you're happy to teach > > yourself. Otherwise there are plenty of intensive courses you can go on > > (some cheap ones involve a trip to India!) that should bring your knowledge > > up to scratch. > > > > Les > > > > On 2/19/07, *George* wrote: > > > > Stuart Burns wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > I am after a bit of feedback here. I wasn't planning on doing it, but > > I > > > saw the above course advertised on slashdot. > > > > I had a look too out of interest after seeing the same banner. Not that > > I'm in the market for a degree course but it does look a little > > "bandwagonish" to me - if someone has done a degree in say, Software > > Engineering then the licence of the software they're engineering > > shouldn't make much of a difference to how they go about producing it, > > baring in mind that University is meant to teach concepts and not > > vocational skills. > > > > If you already have a degree I would consider doing LPI, you can do the > > exams at a local testing center for a small cost (about £50 I think when > > I looked) and even if you don't do the exams working through one of > > their study guides'll teach you a lot about using Linux without being > > too specific about how one distribution is arranged. Then, read "The > > Cathedral and the Bazaar" for a dash of philosophy and you're sorted :) > > > > George > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simonw at eurowrap.co.uk Tue Feb 20 15:41:52 2007 From: simonw at eurowrap.co.uk (Simon Willett) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:41:52 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology Message-ID: LOL ________________________________ From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Stuart Burns Sent: 20 February 2007 15:22 To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology Maybe we could get group discount lol On 20/02/07, Simon Willett wrote: Do you have any details of courses in India, because that really does sound like fun? Simon ________________________________ From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk ] On Behalf Of Les Pritchard Sent: 20 February 2007 10:54 To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology I'd be tempted to agree with George - it does sound like it may be the bandwagon passing (although I haven't looked in any detail of the course specifics). It all depends what you need from the course. If it's academic qualifications then yes it might be worth it, but if you want to just learn about the technology ( i.e. *nix) then one of the professional courses would give you more 'real' knowledge. Academic courses have to include science and theory, which, whilst useful to know, will take time away from learning usable everyday skills. As George said, the exams are very cheap if you're happy to teach yourself. Otherwise there are plenty of intensive courses you can go on (some cheap ones involve a trip to India!) that should bring your knowledge up to scratch. Les On 2/19/07, George wrote: Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am after a bit of feedback here. I wasn't planning on doing it, but I > saw the above course advertised on slashdot. I had a look too out of interest after seeing the same banner. Not that I'm in the market for a degree course but it does look a little "bandwagonish" to me - if someone has done a degree in say, Software Engineering then the licence of the software they're engineering shouldn't make much of a difference to how they go about producing it, baring in mind that University is meant to teach concepts and not vocational skills. If you already have a degree I would consider doing LPI, you can do the exams at a local testing center for a small cost (about £50 I think when I looked) and even if you don't do the exams working through one of their study guides'll teach you a lot about using Linux without being too specific about how one distribution is arranged. Then, read "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" for a dash of philosophy and you're sorted :) George _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 15:53:05 2007 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:53:05 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] FOSDEM: Brussels, Sat 24 - Sun 25 Feb 2006 In-Reply-To: <20070220150146.GB3284@arachsys.com> References: <20070220150146.GB3284@arachsys.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alasdair G Kergon Date: Feb 20, 2007 3:01 PM Subject: [lugmaster] FOSDEM: Brussels, Sat 24 - Sun 25 Feb 2006 To: lugmaster at mailman.lug.org.uk [Please forward to LUG mailing lists.] The 7th Free and Open Source Software Developers' European Meeting will take place over the weekend of 24th and 25th of February 2006 in Brussels. Previous events were hugely successful with a few thousand developers coming from all over the world to attend talks given by famous figures of the Free Software and Open Source community. It is a free, non-commercial event and there is no need to register, although donations are encouraged towards the costs of holding the event. See http://www.fosdem.org/ for more information. This year's speakers include: Jim Gettys - One Laptop Per Child Georg Greve - Beyond GPLv3 Simon Phipps - Liberating Java Andrew Morton - Linux Kernel Jeremy Allison - Samba Miguel de Icaza - Turbocharging Linux with Mono Keith Packard - X.org Peter Saint-Andre - Secure Communications with Jabber Tom Baeyens - JBoss BPM Jim Blandy - GDB Tracepoints Aleksey Bragin - ReactOS Paul Everitt - Plone 3.0 Pete Herzog - Security Testing Pieter Hintjens - Status of Software Patents in Europe Kristian Hogsberg - AIGLX Oyvind Kolas - GEGL Roland G Minnich - LinuxBIOS H D Moore - Metasploit Framework Federico Mena Quintero - Profiling Desktop Applications Mike Schroepfer - Mozilla Kern Sibbald - Bacula Dries Buytaert - Drupal And many others who will be speaking in the following developers' rooms: CrossDesktop, KDE, GNOME, openSUSE, Mozilla, GNU Classpath + OpenJDK DevJam, CentOS + Fedora, Jabber, OpenGroupware + GNUStep, Python, Libre Software Research, X.org, Gentoo, Debian, Embedded. 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URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Feb 20 15:54:04 2007 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:54:04 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] FOSDEM: Brussels, Sat 24 - Sun 25 Feb 2007 In-Reply-To: <20070220150451.GC3284@arachsys.com> References: <20070220150451.GC3284@arachsys.com> Message-ID: Whoops .....silly me for forwarding the first I get without reading the second one! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alasdair G Kergon Date: Feb 20, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: [lugmaster] FOSDEM: Brussels, Sat 24 - Sun 25 Feb 2007 To: lugmaster at mailman.lug.org.uk [Corrected version:-) The dangers of cut-and-paste!] [Please forward to LUG mailing lists.] The 7th Free and Open Source Software Developers' European Meeting will take place over the weekend of 24th and 25th of February 2007 in Brussels. Previous events were hugely successful with a few thousand developers coming from all over the world to attend talks given by famous figures of the Free Software and Open Source community. It is a free, non-commercial event and there is no need to register, although donations are encouraged towards the costs of holding the event. See http://www.fosdem.org/ for more information. This year's speakers include: Jim Gettys - One Laptop Per Child Georg Greve - Beyond GPLv3 Simon Phipps - Liberating Java Andrew Morton - Linux Kernel Jeremy Allison - Samba Miguel de Icaza - Turbocharging Linux with Mono Keith Packard - X.org Peter Saint-Andre - Secure Communications with Jabber Tom Baeyens - JBoss BPM Jim Blandy - GDB Tracepoints Aleksey Bragin - ReactOS Paul Everitt - Plone 3.0 Pete Herzog - Security Testing Pieter Hintjens - Status of Software Patents in Europe Kristian Hogsberg - AIGLX Oyvind Kolas - GEGL Roland G Minnich - LinuxBIOS H D Moore - Metasploit Framework Federico Mena Quintero - Profiling Desktop Applications Mike Schroepfer - Mozilla Kern Sibbald - Bacula Dries Buytaert - Drupal And many others who will be speaking in the following developers' rooms: CrossDesktop, KDE, GNOME, openSUSE, Mozilla, GNU Classpath + OpenJDK DevJam, CentOS + Fedora, Jabber, OpenGroupware + GNUStep, Python, Libre Software Research, X.org, Gentoo, Debian, Embedded. The final schedule is here: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule On the Friday evening before the event, many visitors gather at the Roy d'Espagne on the Grand Place: http://fosdem.org/2007/beerevent _______________________________________________ lugmaster mailing list lugmaster at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lugmaster -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smedley358 at btinternet.com Tue Feb 20 19:11:11 2007 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:11:11 -0000 Subject: Beryl [was: Re: [Chester LUG] Meet] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070220190717.37b3fea4@localhost> > I'll be there but I have ulterior motives ;) Anyone is welcome to > help me get Beryl working on it. Spent several days with no luck and > several broken xorg.confs Hello Stuart, I won't be at the meeting (have to be at a different meeting in Hulme), but if you want to try Beryl it worked out-of-the-box on Debian unstable with the following source.list: deb http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main deb-src http://debian.beryl-project.org/ etch main This with Intel graphics (ThinkPad X41), 3-D again worked out-of-the-box :-) See http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian for more info. - Richard -- Richard Smedley, rs at m6-it.org Technical Director, www.M6-IT.org A PRINCE2 aware company Web services * Back-ups * Support * Training & Certification * E-Mail M6-IT CIC ``Software Freedom for the Education and Voluntary Sector'' M6-IT is a Community Interest Company, limited by guarantee Registered in England & Wales, Registration No: 6040154 11 St Marks Road, Stourbridge, West Midlands, DY9 7DT From smedley358 at btinternet.com Tue Feb 20 19:55:11 2007 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 19:55:11 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] MSc in open source technology In-Reply-To: References: <45D9FBBD.9020101@goatadsl.co.uk> Message-ID: <20070220195119.5be30ed5@localhost> > I did actually take a look at the LPI etc. I think really it is > better to go for some general Linux skills. Just it would have been > nice to get the MSc too, but then again, im sure I can find some use > for all the money I save, including the travel, new gadget or three > perhaps. If you want an MSc, and an interesting course, how about: http://www.comp.brad.ac.uk/courses/courses.php/pg/mscfc/ Or possibly http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/admissions/postgraduate-taught/degree_info/msc-csec/ Some of the MSc modules available at the OU are quite interesting http://www3.open.ac.uk/courses/classifications/information_technology_and_computing.shtm if you are the kind of person who can study at home after a hard day's work. However, as pointed out elsewhere, LPI is more practical than most academic courses, and none are a substitute for real experience - it all depends upon why you want to do the course. - Richard -- Richard Smedley, rs at m6-it.org Technical Director, www.M6-IT.org A PRINCE2 aware company Web services * Back-ups * Support * Training & Certification * E-Mail M6-IT CIC ``Software Freedom for the Education and Voluntary Sector'' M6-IT is a Community Interest Company, limited by guarantee Registered in England & Wales, Registration No: 6040154 11 St Marks Road, Stourbridge, West Midlands, DY9 7DT From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 13:10:21 2007 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:10:21 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] A trivial where can I find for Friday afternoon Message-ID: I don't know about you chaps but on a Friday at work we have dress down days (and in true geek style productivity actually goes up!). Now I am not the snappiest dresser and don't like to have to spend time thinking what to wear. The only stipulation is that it must have a collar. So I am looking for a nice black polo shirt with an embroidered (if poss) logo of the FreeBSD devil. Geek dressing at its best lol. Now all the ones I have seen so far (looking on US sites) are after $54 !!!! for a polo shirt. Does anyone know where I can find one, or have one done cheaply ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgaughan at gmail.com Fri Feb 23 14:55:35 2007 From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:55:35 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] A trivial where can I find for Friday afternoon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 23/02/07, Stuart Burns wrote: > I don't know about you chaps but on a Friday at work we have dress down days > (and in true geek style productivity actually goes up!). Now I am not the > snappiest dresser and don't like to have to spend time thinking what to > wear. The only stipulation is that it must have a collar. So I am looking > for a nice black polo shirt with an embroidered (if poss) logo of the > FreeBSD devil. Geek dressing at its best lol. > > Now all the ones I have seen so far (looking on US sites) are after $54 ! > for a polo shirt. Does anyone know where I can find one, or have one done > cheaply ? > Same here at my work, wear what yer like on a friday :-) $54 converts to £27.. blimey it will have to be real cotton then! Fintan From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 17:32:33 2007 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:32:33 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Guess who bought the 1st paid spot for anything "linux"ed on Google? Message-ID: Thats right chaps. Microsoft :( I was looking for a new laptop and wasnt happy with Dell or HP offerings so I googled "Linux Laptop Seller UK" First spot MS. So i thought ok, but then I tried "Linux" just for giggles, again MS :( Is it me or are they just not going to play fair anytime soon. Surely its my business if I wish to buy a non MS borked laptop, loaded with third party junkware and crippled apps in the hope you upgrade and Dell gets a slice. I'm sorry, but it seems we will never win in such a pro MS world :( AND I still havent found my FreeBSD shirt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul.sinclair at which.net Sat Feb 24 21:11:36 2007 From: paul.sinclair at which.net (Paul Sinclair) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:11:36 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Guess who bought the 1st paid spot for anything "linux"ed on Google? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E0AA01.1010401@which.net> Try www.linuxemporium.co.uk Paul Stuart Burns wrote: > Thats right chaps. Microsoft :( > > I was looking for a new laptop and wasnt happy with Dell or HP > offerings so I googled "Linux Laptop Seller UK" First spot MS. So i > thought ok, but then I tried "Linux" just for giggles, again MS :( > > Is it me or are they just not going to play fair anytime soon. Surely > its my business if I wish to buy a non MS borked laptop, loaded with > third party junkware and crippled apps in the hope you upgrade and > Dell gets a slice. > > I'm sorry, but it seems we will never win in such a pro MS world :( > > AND I still havent found my FreeBSD shirt. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Chester mailing list >Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > From kelvin.lawson at zen.co.uk Mon Feb 26 20:29:22 2007 From: kelvin.lawson at zen.co.uk (Kelvin Lawson) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:29:22 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Box of old PC bits Message-ID: <45E34319.9050106@zen.co.uk> Hi All, If anyone is interested I've put together a box of PC bits and pieces. Most of it old, though some never used and still boxed. Free to anyone who's willing to take the whole box as a job lot (pick up from Vicars Cross, Chester): * Fujitsu Siemens Speakers * Creative SBS32 speakers * Guillemot speakers * Labtec microphone with stand * 1 x DVD-ROM drive (internal) * 2 x SCSI cards: (PCI and ISA) * 3 x Ethernet cards (ISA) * PCI 56k data/fax/voice modem * PCI 56k modem * External USB Acer 56k modem * External US Robotics Sportster 33k Voice/Fax/Modem * Creative Soundblaster (ISA) * Two keyboards * Unidentified SIMM module Cheers, Kelvin.