From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 20:48:40 2007 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:48:40 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Good laptops without the Windows tax Message-ID: Hi Guys, After much searching I have found a laptop builder who doesnt charge Windows tax, infact window is extra ! The prices are good, not even Dell can do it (however it doesnt mention battaries, so i am wondering) http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at goatadsl.co.uk Fri Mar 2 01:58:32 2007 From: george at goatadsl.co.uk (George) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 01:58:32 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Good laptops without the Windows tax In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45E78498.1070307@goatadsl.co.uk> Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi Guys, > > After much searching I have found a laptop builder who doesnt charge > Windows tax, infact window is extra ! YMMV but I would only buy a business grade laptop from Dell or HP for two reasons. Firstly that if it's business grade you're guaranteed that the hardware won't change for the life of the model - a year or two as this allows the corporate clients who use Windows to keep to a single ghosted image. This is good because it means that if you find something which mentions Linux support on your model of laptop you know that it'll work on your laptop - whereas with the consumer models suppliers are liable to change the chipset if they think they can save a dollar that month. It also means that there will be a lot of that model laptop floating around and the chances that someone will have already done the hard work of getting Linux to run are increased. Secondly - and perhaps more importantly you can buy spares. I have a HP NC8000 laptop that's about 3 years old. If I go to the HP website I can still buy any part on my laptop such as replacement keyboards. eBay also has a wide selection of parts for sale. This is important as batteries on a notebook are typically guaranteed for a year if you're lucky and I would expect them to last for two years. If you have a laptop from a well known brand you will be able to buy replacements for years - which is good to know. Oh one other bonus - if you buy a business laptop you can buy a docking station. I really recommend docking stations if you think you are going to be unplugging your laptop regularly. It's quicker and tidier and doesn't put wear and tear on the ports - I've seen quite a few laptops where the connectors have broken inside which is a pain to fix. I don't really worry about the "Microsoft Tax", the OEM cost on a laptop is probably something like £20 and so not worth basting your decisions on. If you really don't want a copy there's always the reject licence, demand refund route. Or you could just keep in case you ever had something you needed to run on Windows in VMware etc. George From scott.fraser at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 17:29:37 2007 From: scott.fraser at gmail.com (Scott Fraser) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:29:37 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Good laptops without the Windows tax In-Reply-To: <45E78498.1070307@goatadsl.co.uk> References: <45E78498.1070307@goatadsl.co.uk> Message-ID: Not technically what was asked but I can say that the apple Macbooks work beautifully with Linux - pretty much everything is supported. Installing Ubuntu was slightly more painful than normal (mainly due to the bootloader being wildly different) but not too hard - AFAIK there is now a project which has updated a standard Ubuntu with what is needed. I have OSX (which isn't that bad - I probably use this most of all), Ubuntu and windows XP installed (for 2 windows only programs) and I have no complaints at all. Battery life is also good. Another benefit is that if the standard config is good enough then you can just walk into the Apple Store in Chester and pick one up over the counter! I have a slightly older model than the one available currently which is faster and cheaper :-( Scott On 2 Mar 2007, at 01:57, George wrote: > Stuart Burns wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> After much searching I have found a laptop builder who doesnt >> charge Windows tax, infact window is extra ! > > YMMV but I would only buy a business grade laptop from Dell or HP > for two reasons. > > Firstly that if it's business grade you're guaranteed that the > hardware won't change for the life of the model - a year or two as > this allows the corporate clients who use Windows to keep to a > single ghosted image. This is good because it means that if you > find something which mentions Linux support on your model of laptop > you know that it'll work on your laptop - whereas with the consumer > models suppliers are liable to change the chipset if they think > they can save a dollar that month. It also means that there will be > a lot of that model laptop floating around and the chances that > someone will have already done the hard work of getting Linux to > run are increased. > > Secondly - and perhaps more importantly you can buy spares. I have > a HP NC8000 laptop that's about 3 years old. If I go to the HP > website I can still buy any part on my laptop such as replacement > keyboards. eBay also has a wide selection of parts for sale. This > is important as batteries on a notebook are typically guaranteed > for a year if you're lucky and I would expect them to last for two > years. If you have a laptop from a well known brand you will be > able to buy replacements for years - which is good to know. > > Oh one other bonus - if you buy a business laptop you can buy a > docking station. I really recommend docking stations if you think > you are going to be unplugging your laptop regularly. It's quicker > and tidier and doesn't put wear and tear on the ports - I've seen > quite a few laptops where the connectors have broken inside which > is a pain to fix. > > I don't really worry about the "Microsoft Tax", the OEM cost on a > laptop is probably something like £20 and so not worth basting your > decisions on. If you really don't want a copy there's always the > reject licence, demand refund route. Or you could just keep in case > you ever had something you needed to run on Windows in VMware etc. > > George > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From simonw at eurowrap.co.uk Fri Mar 16 16:14:00 2007 From: simonw at eurowrap.co.uk (Simon Willett) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:14:00 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Windows Vista Message-ID: This may be off topic but it's also very funny. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/11/21.html Simon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Sun Mar 18 16:48:00 2007 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:48:00 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Anybody want this laptop FOC? Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Just a quick one before I stick it on Freecycle. Does anyone want the following (broken!) laptop. Its in good working order, just the screen is broken. Could be an idea low power home server if you install it then use SSH (the power of geekness shall shine through!) Dell Latitude X200 with docking bay (CD Rom/Floppy disk) 256 MB RAM 30/40 GB HDD Extra long life batt (still good) 100 MBit Ethernet 56K Modem USB/1394/audio Charger Windows 2000 CD Key ;) Its one of these ultra portables. Nice little laptop till some silly person (putting it politely) hit the screen in the wrong place) First come first served. Just want it gone this week -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smedley358 at btinternet.com Sun Mar 18 21:58:26 2007 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:58:26 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Anybody want this laptop FOC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070318215033.71c87fe5@localhost> > Just a quick one before I stick it on Freecycle. Does anyone want the > following (broken!) laptop. Its in good working order, just the > screen is broken. Could be an idea low power home server if you > install it then use SSH (the power of geekness shall shine through!) Hello Stuart, If it's still available, I'm sure that I can get it put to good use somewhere :-) Only problem: I was in Chester twice last week, but cannot guarantee which date I'll be there again. Cheers, - Richard (re-distributor of all things old-but-still-useful ;) -- Richard Smedley, rs at m6-it.org Technical Director, www.M6-IT.org M6-IT CIC +44 (0)779 456 07 14 Sustainable Third Sector IT solutions. PRINCE2[TM] Project Management Web services * Back-ups * Support * Training & Certification * E-Mail M6-IT is a Community Interest Company, limited by guarantee. Registered in England & Wales, Registration No: 6040154 11 St Marks Road, Stourbridge, West Midlands, DY9 7DT Northern Office: 4, Hollins Green, Bradwall, Cheshire, CW10 0LA. From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 12:45:35 2007 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:45:35 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Is it me or is Vista rather poor? Message-ID: This morning I had the misfortune of setting up a new laptop for a user, a nice Sony Vaio VGN ultra portable. Lovely laptop. Then I booted Vista and then it all went to pot. I'm quite gobsmacked at how poor Vista is. Here am I, a Windows SA of over a decade of playing with these things and it has taken me 2.5 hours to get updates installed and clicking yes everytime I want to do something. Its so different to old windows, and as a windows user I actually found it quite hard to use and configure. God forbid I was a normal user. Now I like XP, XP is (fairly) straightforward but this Vista, its a retrograde step. Nothing is working the same as it used to! Oh and booting with under a gig of ram is not so good! Its all toys for toys sake and as for the security model? To my mind it would have been better if they had a Windows Administrator account, that has to be logged into, and as I logged into it as Admin, I kinda know what I want to do, not to have the bloody PC second guess everything I do. Anybody else finding the same thing ? It makes me ever more thankful of ubuntu at home ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Tue Mar 20 12:50:03 2007 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:50:03 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Is it me or is Vista rather poor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200703201249.50422.dh@iucr.org> On Tuesday 20 March 2007 12:45 pm, Stuart Burns wrote: > This morning I had the misfortune of setting up a new laptop for a user, a > nice Sony Vaio VGN ultra portable. Lovely laptop. Then I booted Vista and > then it all went to pot. > > I'm quite gobsmacked at how poor Vista is. Here am I, a Windows SA of over > a decade of playing with these things and it has taken me 2.5 hours to get > updates installed and clicking yes everytime I want to do something. Its so > different to old windows, and as a windows user I actually found it quite > hard to use and configure. God forbid I was a normal user. Now I like XP, > XP is (fairly) straightforward but this Vista, its a retrograde step. > Nothing is working the same as it used to! Oh and booting with under a gig > of ram is not so good! Its all toys for toys sake and as for the security > model? To my mind it would have been better if they had a Windows > Administrator account, that has to be logged into, and as I logged into it > as Admin, I kinda know what I want to do, not to have the bloody PC second > guess everything I do. > > Anybody else finding the same thing ? It makes me ever more thankful of > ubuntu at home ! It makes you wonder about all those arguments that you should not move to linux because of all the retraining costs.. Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From simonw at eurowrap.co.uk Tue Mar 20 12:52:22 2007 From: simonw at eurowrap.co.uk (Simon Willett) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:52:22 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Is it me or is Vista rather poor? Message-ID: This is the best news I've had all day. Simon > This morning I had the misfortune of setting up a new laptop for a user, a > nice Sony Vaio VGN ultra portable. Lovely laptop. Then I booted Vista and > then it all went to pot. > > I'm quite gobsmacked at how poor Vista is. Here am I, a Windows SA of over > a decade of playing with these things and it has taken me 2.5 hours to get > updates installed and clicking yes everytime I want to do something. Its so > different to old windows, and as a windows user I actually found it quite > hard to use and configure. God forbid I was a normal user. Now I like XP, > XP is (fairly) straightforward but this Vista, its a retrograde step. > Nothing is working the same as it used to! Oh and booting with under a gig > of ram is not so good! Its all toys for toys sake and as for the security > model? To my mind it would have been better if they had a Windows > Administrator account, that has to be logged into, and as I logged into it > as Admin, I kinda know what I want to do, not to have the bloody PC second > guess everything I do. > > Anybody else finding the same thing ? It makes me ever more thankful of > ubuntu at home ! From simonw at eurowrap.co.uk Tue Mar 20 12:59:51 2007 From: simonw at eurowrap.co.uk (Simon Willett) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:59:51 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Is it me or is Vista rather poor? Message-ID: Actually Novell did something very similar to this in the 1990's. Novell were the market leader in the server file and print market. They released Netware 4 with a new feature NDS, which nobody wanted. It required users (in this case sysadmins) to learn a whole new set of skills. The documentation was shipped on CD instead of in book form (big change back then), and nobody could be bothered to learn the new skills. People switched to NT because they saw it as a direct replacement for Netware, and Novell lost market share. From dh at iucr.org Tue Mar 20 13:00:21 2007 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:00:21 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] They're after you. Message-ID: <200703201300.13658.dh@iucr.org> Beware the marketing folk.. http://www.linuxpersonas.com/ Dave -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 13:38:33 2007 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:38:33 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] They're after you. In-Reply-To: <200703201300.13658.dh@iucr.org> References: <200703201300.13658.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: I find it quite offensive that they give qoutes of potential customer worth ! On 20/03/07, David Holden wrote: > > Beware the marketing folk.. > > > http://www.linuxpersonas.com/ > > Dave > -- > Dr. David Holden. > > See: > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 14:14:01 2007 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:14:01 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Is it me or is Vista rather poor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thing is NDS was actually a step forward, not "new shiney shiney" rebadge of current os lol On 20/03/07, Simon Willett wrote: > > Actually Novell did something very similar to this in the 1990's. > > Novell were the market leader in the server file and print market. They > released Netware 4 with a new feature NDS, which nobody wanted. > It required users (in this case sysadmins) to learn a whole new set of > skills. > The documentation was shipped on CD instead of in book form (big change > back then), and nobody could be bothered to learn the new skills. > > People switched to NT because they saw it as a direct replacement for > Netware, and Novell lost market share. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smedley358 at btinternet.com Tue Mar 20 15:48:14 2007 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:48:14 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Is it me or is Vista rather poor? In-Reply-To: <200703201249.50422.dh@iucr.org> References: <200703201249.50422.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: <20070320154005.605ca8a4@localhost> > > Anybody else finding the same thing ? It makes me ever more > > thankful of ubuntu at home ! > > It makes you wonder about all those arguments that you should not > move to linux because of all the retraining costs.. Among our potential client-base, many people are facing the decision in the next year or two: upgrade to Vista or GNU. Training costs are no longer a factor - providing GNU/Linux training is available, we need more providers locally of course. It's a time of great opportunity for Free Software advocates. :-) Especially in Cheshire - but I'll save that for a separate e-mail ;-) - Richard -- Richard Smedley, rs at m6-it.org Technical Director, www.M6-IT.org M6-IT CIC +44 (0)779 456 07 14 Sustainable Third Sector IT solutions. PRINCE2[TM] Project Management Web services * Back-ups * Support * Training & Certification * E-Mail M6-IT is a Community Interest Company, limited by guarantee. Registered in England & Wales, Registration No: 6040154 11 St Marks Road, Stourbridge, West Midlands, DY9 7DT Northern Office: 4, Hollins Green, Bradwall, Cheshire, CW10 0LA. From simonw at eurowrap.co.uk Tue Mar 20 14:33:57 2007 From: simonw at eurowrap.co.uk (Simon Willett) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:33:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Is it me or is Vista rather poor? Message-ID: Depends on your perspective. It depends if you were managing 1 server and 50 odd users. Or if you were managing 20 servers with 1000s of users. I agree that you need a directory service when you are managing lots of servers / users. I just think that it is interesting that Novell misjudged the market then, and I hope that MS have misjudged the market now. Step forward LINUX ________________________________ From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Stuart Burns Sent: 20 March 2007 14:14 To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Is it me or is Vista rather poor? Thing is NDS was actually a step forward, not "new shiney shiney" rebadge of current os lol On 20/03/07, Simon Willett < simonw at eurowrap.co.uk > wrote: Actually Novell did something very similar to this in the 1990's. Novell were the market leader in the server file and print market. They released Netware 4 with a new feature NDS, which nobody wanted. It required users (in this case sysadmins) to learn a whole new set of skills. The documentation was shipped on CD instead of in book form (big change back then), and nobody could be bothered to learn the new skills. People switched to NT because they saw it as a direct replacement for Netware, and Novell lost market share. _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From george at goatadsl.co.uk Tue Mar 20 20:07:06 2007 From: george at goatadsl.co.uk (George) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:07:06 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Is it me or is Vista rather poor? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46003EB5.20209@goatadsl.co.uk> Stuart Burns wrote: > Anybody else finding the same thing ? It makes me ever more thankful of > ubuntu at home ! Depends how you look at it - if you wonder whether it's "better" than XP then I'd say probably. There are a couple of nice things I've noticed in places like Explorer, Task Manager etc. which are an improvement. I also quite like the GUI changes - not especially the "shiney" but more that the text on screen seems crisper. I also prefer the chess game to solitaire. None of this is revolutionary* but then again that's not really important to Microsoft as long they provide a backwardly compatible platform upon which software can run; the changes are just window dressing. George * Actually one thing I did find revolutionary - the Voice control. I admit not having used anything like Dragon Dictate for years but turning on the voice control and being able to say, without training "open notepad" and have it appear was impressive. Of course I can't see a practical use of this technology - not until my laptop can produce hot earl gray anyway... From tim at hotwood.force9.co.uk Thu Mar 22 09:40:33 2007 From: tim at hotwood.force9.co.uk (Tim White) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:40:33 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] VMware question Message-ID: <200703220942.31916.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> Hi all I'm getting a new (to me) lappy at the weekend and I've been thinking about how to configure it. I'll run Linux as my main OS of course but it would be convenient to have access to Windows too. Rather than dual-booting, I've been wondering how VMware Server works. Where does the guest OS (Windows) actually physically live? Do I need to allow space in my / partition for it? If I do that, doesn't it mean that if I install a different host OS (Linux distro) then I would also wipe the guest OS? So could the guest OS live elsewhere, like in /home or even in its own partition? All advice gratefully received! The lappy is a Dell Inspiron 1501 with a Turion 64 2GHz single core CPU and 1GB RAM, 60GB HD. Should have enough power there... Not sure what distro I'll install, maybe Linux Mint, as the main purpose for the lappy is multimedia/entertainment with a bit of work stuff too, hence the need for Win. Is there a meeting next week? I've missed a couple but should be able to make it. Tim -- "Peace is not simply the absence of conflict, but the existence of justice for all people." Martin Luther King Jr. From george at goatadsl.co.uk Thu Mar 22 10:06:43 2007 From: george at goatadsl.co.uk (George) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:06:43 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] VMware question In-Reply-To: <200703220942.31916.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> References: <200703220942.31916.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <46025510.9040903@goatadsl.co.uk> Tim White wrote: > Where does the guest OS (Windows) actually physically live? Do I need to allow > space in my / partition for it? If I do that, doesn't it mean that if I > install a different host OS (Linux distro) then I would also wipe the guest > OS? So could the guest OS live elsewhere, like in /home or even in its own > partition? All advice gratefully received! For each Virtual Machine VMWare creates a directory and within that directory are image files that contain the contents of any hard disks on the virtual machine. By default these are stored under /home but you can tell VMWare to make them anywhere - or backup, copy, move etc. the directory after they're created. Also, as you've mentioned you're using a laptop you may find you have issues with the clock going out of sync on the virtual machine because it thinks that the laptop is running at 2000mhz so when it downscales to 1000mhz it only runs 1 second tick per 2 real ticks if you see. There's a load of stuff about this on the VMWare forums but I just found it easier to rebuild the kernel on the host without the scaling support. George From tim at hotwood.force9.co.uk Thu Mar 22 11:15:58 2007 From: tim at hotwood.force9.co.uk (Tim White) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:15:58 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] VMware question In-Reply-To: <46025510.9040903@goatadsl.co.uk> References: <200703220942.31916.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> <46025510.9040903@goatadsl.co.uk> Message-ID: <200703221117.59827.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> Thanks George, that's what I needed to know. And thanks for the warning about scaling, I'll see if there's a way of turning off scaling or rebuild the kernel as you suggest. As I probably won't be using the virtual OS much on battery this shouldn't be a big problem anyway. Tim -- "Peace is not simply the absence of conflict, but the existence of justice for all people." Martin Luther King Jr. From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 11:24:49 2007 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:24:49 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] VMware question In-Reply-To: <200703221117.59827.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> References: <200703220942.31916.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> <46025510.9040903@goatadsl.co.uk> <200703221117.59827.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Tim, I think George covered your first question, so for the second - yes there is a meeting scheduled for next week on the 29th. Usual place and time. Unfortunately and annoyingly something has cropped up again for me so I can't make that night (hopefully it should be the last clash for a while). Can everyone else make it ok? Thanks Les On 3/22/07, Tim White wrote: > > Thanks George, that's what I needed to know. And thanks for the warning > about > scaling, I'll see if there's a way of turning off scaling or rebuild the > kernel as you suggest. As I probably won't be using the virtual OS much on > battery this shouldn't be a big problem anyway. > > Tim > > -- > "Peace is not simply the absence of conflict, but the existence of justice > for > all people." Martin Luther King Jr. > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fgaughan at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 11:35:42 2007 From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:35:42 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] VMware question In-Reply-To: References: <200703220942.31916.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> <46025510.9040903@goatadsl.co.uk> <200703221117.59827.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: Meeting on the 29th of May? regards Fintan On 22/03/07, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi Tim, > > I think George covered your first question, so for the second - yes there is > a meeting scheduled for next week on the 29th. Usual place and time. > > Unfortunately and annoyingly something has cropped up again for me so I > can't make that night (hopefully it should be the last clash for a while). > Can everyone else make it ok? > > Thanks > > Les > > > On 3/22/07, Tim White wrote: > > Thanks George, that's what I needed to know. And thanks for the warning > about > > scaling, I'll see if there's a way of turning off scaling or rebuild the > > kernel as you suggest. As I probably won't be using the virtual OS much on > > battery this shouldn't be a big problem anyway. > > > > Tim > > > > -- > > "Peace is not simply the absence of conflict, but the existence of justice > for > > all people." Martin Luther King Jr. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- My Blog http://www.finllfixit.co.uk/ From fgaughan at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 11:38:30 2007 From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:38:30 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] VMware question In-Reply-To: References: <200703220942.31916.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> <46025510.9040903@goatadsl.co.uk> <200703221117.59827.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: Sorry I meant March as I cant find any info on website about next meetings Fintan On 22/03/07, Fintan Gaughan wrote: > Meeting on the 29th of May? > > regards > Fintan > > > > On 22/03/07, Les Pritchard wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > > > I think George covered your first question, so for the second - yes there is > > a meeting scheduled for next week on the 29th. Usual place and time. > > > > Unfortunately and annoyingly something has cropped up again for me so I > > can't make that night (hopefully it should be the last clash for a while). > > Can everyone else make it ok? > > > > Thanks > > > > Les > > > > > > On 3/22/07, Tim White wrote: > > > Thanks George, that's what I needed to know. And thanks for the warning > > about > > > scaling, I'll see if there's a way of turning off scaling or rebuild the > > > kernel as you suggest. As I probably won't be using the virtual OS much on > > > battery this shouldn't be a big problem anyway. > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > -- > > > "Peace is not simply the absence of conflict, but the existence of justice > > for > > > all people." Martin Luther King Jr. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chester mailing list > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > -- > > My Blog http://www.finllfixit.co.uk/ > -- My Blog http://www.finllfixit.co.uk/ From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 12:34:41 2007 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:34:41 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] VMware question In-Reply-To: References: <200703220942.31916.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> <46025510.9040903@goatadsl.co.uk> <200703221117.59827.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes 29th of March (a week today). Updating the website is on my very long todo list right now! My plan is to stick a calendar feed on it so it's partially automated. Les On 3/22/07, Fintan Gaughan wrote: > > Sorry I meant March as I cant find any info on website about next meetings > > Fintan > > On 22/03/07, Fintan Gaughan wrote: > > Meeting on the 29th of May? > > > > regards > > Fintan > > > > > > > > On 22/03/07, Les Pritchard wrote: > > > Hi Tim, > > > > > > I think George covered your first question, so for the second - yes > there is > > > a meeting scheduled for next week on the 29th. Usual place and time. > > > > > > Unfortunately and annoyingly something has cropped up again for me so > I > > > can't make that night (hopefully it should be the last clash for a > while). > > > Can everyone else make it ok? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Les > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/07, Tim White wrote: > > > > Thanks George, that's what I needed to know. And thanks for the > warning > > > about > > > > scaling, I'll see if there's a way of turning off scaling or rebuild > the > > > > kernel as you suggest. As I probably won't be using the virtual OS > much on > > > > battery this shouldn't be a big problem anyway. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "Peace is not simply the absence of conflict, but the existence of > justice > > > for > > > > all people." 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URL: From fgaughan at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 13:58:02 2007 From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:58:02 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] VMware question In-Reply-To: References: <200703220942.31916.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> <46025510.9040903@goatadsl.co.uk> <200703221117.59827.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: Damn!! I am in Chester on 30th... never mind Fintan On 22/03/07, Les Pritchard wrote: > Yes 29th of March (a week today). > > Updating the website is on my very long todo list right now! My plan is to > stick a calendar feed on it so it's partially automated. > > Les > > > On 3/22/07, Fintan Gaughan wrote: > > Sorry I meant March as I cant find any info on website about next meetings > > > > Fintan > > > > On 22/03/07, Fintan Gaughan wrote: > > > Meeting on the 29th of May? > > > > > > regards > > > Fintan > > > > > > > > > > > > On 22/03/07, Les Pritchard wrote: > > > > Hi Tim, > > > > > > > > I think George covered your first question, so for the second - yes > there is > > > > a meeting scheduled for next week on the 29th. Usual place and time. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately and annoyingly something has cropped up again for me so > I > > > > can't make that night (hopefully it should be the last clash for a > while). > > > > Can everyone else make it ok? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Les > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/07, Tim White wrote: > > > > > Thanks George, that's what I needed to know. And thanks for the > warning > > > > about > > > > > scaling, I'll see if there's a way of turning off scaling or rebuild > the > > > > > kernel as you suggest. As I probably won't be using the virtual OS > much on > > > > > battery this shouldn't be a big problem anyway. > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > "Peace is not simply the absence of conflict, but the existence of > justice > > > > for > > > > > all people." Martin Luther King Jr. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Chester mailing list > > > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Chester mailing list > > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > My Blog http://www.finllfixit.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > My Blog http://www.finllfixit.co.uk/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- My Blog http://www.finllfixit.co.uk/ From rcgibson at talktalk.net Thu Mar 22 17:28:37 2007 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:28:37 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] VMware question In-Reply-To: References: <200703220942.31916.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> <46025510.9040903@goatadsl.co.uk> <200703221117.59827.tim@hotwood.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <4602BCBA.6050407@talktalk.net> Sorry - I'm away too - Roger Les Pritchard said the following on 22/03/2007 12:34: > Yes 29th of March (a week today). > > Updating the website is on my very long todo list right now! My plan > is to stick a calendar feed on it so it's partially automated. > > Les > > On 3/22/07, *Fintan Gaughan* > wrote: > > Sorry I meant March as I cant find any info on website about next > meetings > > Fintan > > On 22/03/07, Fintan Gaughan > wrote: > > Meeting on the 29th of May? > > > > regards > > Fintan > > > > > > > > On 22/03/07, Les Pritchard > wrote: > > > Hi Tim, > > > > > > I think George covered your first question, so for the second > - yes there is > > > a meeting scheduled for next week on the 29th. Usual place > and time. > > > > > > Unfortunately and annoyingly something has cropped up again > for me so I > > > can't make that night (hopefully it should be the last clash > for a while). > > > Can everyone else make it ok? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Les > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/07, Tim White > wrote: > > > > Thanks George, that's what I needed to know. And thanks for > the warning > > > about > > > > scaling, I'll see if there's a way of turning off scaling or > rebuild the > > > > kernel as you suggest. As I probably won't be using the > virtual OS much on > > > > battery this shouldn't be a big problem anyway. > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > -- > > > > "Peace is not simply the absence of conflict, but the > existence of justice > > > for > > > > all people." Martin Luther King Jr. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Chester mailing list > > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chester mailing list > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > My Blog http://www.finllfixit.co.uk/ > > > > > -- > > My Blog http://www.finllfixit.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/730 - Release Date: 22/03/2007 07:44 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From simonw at eurowrap.co.uk Fri Mar 30 08:57:00 2007 From: simonw at eurowrap.co.uk (Simon Willett) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:57:00 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Is the monthly social tonight? Message-ID: Hi All, John and I managed it last night, but we both felt a bit lonely. Thanks Simon ________________________________ From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Les Pritchard Sent: 29 March 2007 10:48 To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Is the monthly social tonight? Yes you're right, there is a meet scheduled for tonight. When I asked who was going I didn't get much response - but then we've had that in past months and people have managed to get there last minute. So it's worth going I'd say. As I said before, I'm afraid I can't make it tonight - so I'll have to see you all next month. Have a good night. Les On 3/29/07, Stuart Burns wrote: It is the last thursday of the month and there is a distinct lack of chatter about tonight. Is it on? Have I got the right date ? _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 10:04:39 2007 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:04:39 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Is the monthly social tonight? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Simon, Yes sorry that I couldn't make it, I think it was a bad month for a few people. I'm sure we'll be back to full strength next month. I'm going to put together a few quick questions on the meets so we can make sure we have the meets on the best time of the month and day. Hope you had a good chat anyway! Les On 3/30/07, Simon Willett wrote: > > Hi All, > > John and I managed it last night, but we both felt a bit lonely. > > > > > > Thanks > > Simon > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] > *On Behalf Of *Les Pritchard > *Sent:* 29 March 2007 10:48 > *To:* chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Chester LUG] Is the monthly social tonight? > > > > Yes you're right, there is a meet scheduled for tonight. When I asked who > was going I didn't get much response - but then we've had that in past > months and people have managed to get there last minute. So it's worth > going I'd say. > > As I said before, I'm afraid I can't make it tonight - so I'll have to see > you all next month. > > Have a good night. > > Les > > On 3/29/07, *Stuart Burns* wrote: > > It is the last thursday of the month and there is a distinct lack of > chatter about tonight. Is it on? 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