From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Thu May 10 16:14:06 2007
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:14:06 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] Downtime on Saturday 19th May for
	server swap
In-Reply-To: <20070509153348.GA8109@bitfolk.com>
References: <20070509153348.GA8109@bitfolk.com>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0705100913x29113562xee96d548523fc805@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

This will just affect our mailing list, chesterlug.org.uk will still be
accessible as that is hosted elsewhere.  On the topic of our website, I have
been working on a new version of the site that I (and anyone else who would
like to contribute to) will find very easy to update.  My hope is that it
will bring a much more dynamic site instead of the static site I haven't had
the time to maintain.

My father is very ill right now, so I'll have to put it on hold.  But when
things are a bit more back to normal I'll get the new site up there.

Thanks

Les

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From: Andy Smith <andy at lug.org.uk>
Date: May 9, 2007 4:33 PM
Subject: [lugmaster] Downtime on Saturday 19th May for server swap
To: lugmaster <lugmaster at mailman.lug.org.uk>

Hi,

Please could you pass the following on to your groups:

On Saturday 19th May we are planning to swap our unreliable server
for a brand new one that we have been preparing for some time.

There is quite a lot of data spread over several virtual machines so
we are going to give ourselves from mid day on Saturday through
until midnight on Monday, though we hope everything will be back up
and running much much sooner.

The machine will stay in the same facility, IP addresses will not
change, ssh keys will not change, all user data will be preserved
and no email will be lost.

Oh, and here are some pictures of the new server:
http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/LOUBox :)

Cheers,
Andy
UK Linux User Groups

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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Sun May 13 20:34:01 2007
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:34:01 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Having an IT cleanout
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0705131333o73cf8346o1dbd7f88f6c1d80e@mail.gmail.com>

Does anybody want a free 17" TFT ? The power supply is a little dodgy, but
once its plugged in and left alone its fine! Anyone want it, just holler!

Also I have a Dell Inspiron 2100 ? Celeron 1.4 GHZ laptotp/CDRW/512 MB/30 GB
HDD/Windows XP Home £40

And also a Dell Latitude C840, Mobile Pentium 4 2.2/768 MB RAM/15" WXGA/64MB
ATI Card/Floppy/40 GB Hdd/DVD+CDRW/Windows 2000 (although i do have a dell
XP restore disk ;) £120

Also if anyone wants it, I have a dell Mobo with a P4 1.7 GHz chip and
heatsink so if anyone wants it, give me a shout. Free!

Also got a gig (Samsung 2 * 512MB 1Rx8 PC2-3200U-333-10-A1) £15 for it

Also got 2 *  256MB 1Rx16 PC2-4200-444-12-C1 £5

External SCSI drive, unknown vintage, 40 GB IIRC. Free to good home ;)

Anyone interested in anything let me know
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Sun May 13 20:41:33 2007
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:41:33 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Having an IT cleanout
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0705131333o73cf8346o1dbd7f88f6c1d80e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0705131333o73cf8346o1dbd7f88f6c1d80e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0705131341q2392363qb6239581c214cb45@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stuart,

That's a good clear out!  Your email reminded me that I haven't responded to
your previous one yet.  Apologies for that, but my father has been seriously
ill in hospital so things have a bit all over the place for me.  I haven't
forgotten about you and I'll have some time to give you a proper response
tomorrow.

Speak to you soon

Les

On 5/13/07, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anybody want a free 17" TFT ? The power supply is a little dodgy, but
> once its plugged in and left alone its fine! Anyone want it, just holler!
>
> Also I have a Dell Inspiron 2100 ? Celeron 1.4 GHZ laptotp/CDRW/512 MB/30
> GB HDD/Windows XP Home £40
>
> And also a Dell Latitude C840, Mobile Pentium 4 2.2/768 MB RAM/15"
> WXGA/64MB ATI Card/Floppy/40 GB Hdd/DVD+CDRW/Windows 2000 (although i do
> have a dell XP restore disk ;) £120
>
> Also if anyone wants it, I have a dell Mobo with a P4 1.7 GHz chip and
> heatsink so if anyone wants it, give me a shout. Free!
>
> Also got a gig (Samsung 2 * 512MB 1Rx8 PC2-3200U-333-10-A1) £15 for it
>
> Also got 2 *  256MB 1Rx16 PC2-4200-444-12-C1 £5
>
> External SCSI drive, unknown vintage, 40 GB IIRC. Free to good home ;)
>
> Anyone interested in anything let me know
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Sun May 13 20:49:15 2007
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:49:15 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Having an IT cleanout
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0705131341q2392363qb6239581c214cb45@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0705131333o73cf8346o1dbd7f88f6c1d80e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0705131341q2392363qb6239581c214cb45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0705131347hb01fff5h1884e05c874a53bc@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry everyone else - just realised I replied to the list!  Ignore my last
email!

On 5/13/07, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Stuart,
>
> That's a good clear out!  Your email reminded me that I haven't responded
> to your previous one yet.  Apologies for that, but my father has been
> seriously ill in hospital so things have a bit all over the place for me.  I
> haven't forgotten about you and I'll have some time to give you a proper
> response tomorrow.
>
> Speak to you soon
>
> Les
>
> On 5/13/07, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anybody want a free 17" TFT ? The power supply is a little dodgy,
> > but once its plugged in and left alone its fine! Anyone want it, just
> > holler!
> >
> > Also I have a Dell Inspiron 2100 ? Celeron 1.4 GHZ laptotp/CDRW/512
> > MB/30 GB HDD/Windows XP Home £40
> >
> > And also a Dell Latitude C840, Mobile Pentium 4 2.2/768 MB RAM/15"
> > WXGA/64MB ATI Card/Floppy/40 GB Hdd/DVD+CDRW/Windows 2000 (although i do
> > have a dell XP restore disk ;) £120
> >
> > Also if anyone wants it, I have a dell Mobo with a P4 1.7 GHz chip and
> > heatsink so if anyone wants it, give me a shout. Free!
> >
> > Also got a gig (Samsung 2 * 512MB 1Rx8 PC2-3200U-333-10-A1) £15 for it
> >
> > Also got 2 *  256MB 1Rx16 PC2-4200-444-12-C1 £5
> >
> > External SCSI drive, unknown vintage, 40 GB IIRC. Free to good home ;)
> >
> > Anyone interested in anything let me know
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
>
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Sun May 13 21:16:46 2007
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:16:46 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Having an IT cleanout
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0705131341q2392363qb6239581c214cb45@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0705131333o73cf8346o1dbd7f88f6c1d80e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0705131341q2392363qb6239581c214cb45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0705131416t4fc89b81s9e720ccbdfe350f@mail.gmail.com>

Les, No probs, I read your father was ill and put two and two together. Its
not a problem :) When things are back on course maybe we can have a good
natter! Hope everything comes out ok!

Regards

Stu

On 13/05/07, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Stuart,
>
> That's a good clear out!  Your email reminded me that I haven't responded
> to your previous one yet.  Apologies for that, but my father has been
> seriously ill in hospital so things have a bit all over the place for me.  I
> haven't forgotten about you and I'll have some time to give you a proper
> response tomorrow.
>
> Speak to you soon
>
> Les
>
> On 5/13/07, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anybody want a free 17" TFT ? The power supply is a little dodgy,
> > but once its plugged in and left alone its fine! Anyone want it, just
> > holler!
> >
> > Also I have a Dell Inspiron 2100 ? Celeron 1.4 GHZ laptotp/CDRW/512
> > MB/30 GB HDD/Windows XP Home £40
> >
> > And also a Dell Latitude C840, Mobile Pentium 4 2.2/768 MB RAM/15"
> > WXGA/64MB ATI Card/Floppy/40 GB Hdd/DVD+CDRW/Windows 2000 (although i do
> > have a dell XP restore disk ;) £120
> >
> > Also if anyone wants it, I have a dell Mobo with a P4 1.7 GHz chip and
> > heatsink so if anyone wants it, give me a shout. Free!
> >
> > Also got a gig (Samsung 2 * 512MB 1Rx8 PC2-3200U-333-10-A1) £15 for it
> >
> > Also got 2 *  256MB 1Rx16 PC2-4200-444-12-C1 £5
> >
> > External SCSI drive, unknown vintage, 40 GB IIRC. Free to good home ;)
> >
> > Anyone interested in anything let me know
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Wed May 23 10:56:10 2007
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:56:10 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0705230356j50b4220apd47d10cc3f4ba2a7@mail.gmail.com>

Here at work I have been given a task of building a program that does
general house keeping tasks on an image gallary (several gigs of images, all
mundane im afraid ;) ).

So I went and broke out the old pascal compiler, and realised it was so
1980s (which is when I last used it ;) ) and that it wouldn't cut it. I need
to create an image gallary, but none of the ones availabe either a) Do what
we want or b) too flakey/too many "toy" features

Looking around I do need to learn a bit about programming as it stands atm.
I am not a *good* programmer, I just tend to hack bits together. However I
have several programs to help me here that I have concieved that would do
general admin task but I don't know what language is going to be best to
write them in and theres no way on this earth im going to touch .Net !

I was thinking Perl, but its just so "strange" or maybe Java. I'm not really
doing anything fancy but I really want to get coding. I did some very very
basic Java back at Uni, but its all forgotten now, although I do remember
about Objects, inheritance etc etc.

Any advice ?
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From dh at iucr.org  Wed May 23 11:07:45 2007
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:07:45 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0705230356j50b4220apd47d10cc3f4ba2a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0705230356j50b4220apd47d10cc3f4ba2a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200705231207.33382.dh@iucr.org>

On Wednesday 23 May 2007, Stuart Burns wrote:
> Here at work I have been given a task of building a program that does
> general house keeping tasks on an image gallary (several gigs of images,
> all mundane im afraid ;) ).
>
> So I went and broke out the old pascal compiler, and realised it was so
> 1980s (which is when I last used it ;) ) and that it wouldn't cut it. I
> need to create an image gallary, but none of the ones availabe either a) Do
> what we want or b) too flakey/too many "toy" features
>
> Looking around I do need to learn a bit about programming as it stands atm.
> I am not a *good* programmer, I just tend to hack bits together. However I
> have several programs to help me here that I have concieved that would do
> general admin task but I don't know what language is going to be best to
> write them in and theres no way on this earth im going to touch .Net !
>
> I was thinking Perl, but its just so "strange" or maybe Java. I'm not
> really doing anything fancy but I really want to get coding. I did some
> very very basic Java back at Uni, but its all forgotten now, although I do
> remember about Objects, inheritance etc etc.
>
> Any advice ?

I would go for one of the dynamic languages, e.g. Perl, Ruby, Python etc.. 

I wouldn't go near Mono to many IP issues.

I would think Perl still has the largest set of library modules. Ruby is the 
buzz language at the moment and is nice to look at.

  Dave.


-- 
Dr. David Holden.

See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
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From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com  Wed May 23 11:08:09 2007
From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:08:09 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0705230356j50b4220apd47d10cc3f4ba2a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0705230356j50b4220apd47d10cc3f4ba2a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8c51aca0705230408u5b1ccd43uf7e2ae72050daa74@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/05/07, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here at work I have been given a task of building a program that does
> general house keeping tasks on an image gallary (several gigs of images, all
> mundane im afraid ;) ).
>
>  So I went and broke out the old pascal compiler, and realised it was so
> 1980s (which is when I last used it ;) ) and that it wouldn't cut it. I need
> to create an image gallary, but none of the ones availabe either a) Do what
> we want or b) too flakey/too many "toy" features
>

Perl or Python is probably your best bet... O'Reilly do "Learning
Perl", which is a nice easy way into learning the language. There's a
lot of documentation out on the web and chances are, if you need a
library to do something, it's probably already been written.

On the other hand though, Python is also quite good (again has loads
of modules written for it). It's an object oriented language and
shouldn't be too hard to get to do what you're after. One of the best
introductions I've seen to it is written by a guy called Mark Pilgrim,
it's called "Dive into Python" (http://www.diveintopython.org/).

HTH

B



From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Wed May 23 16:57:19 2007
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:57:19 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0705230356j50b4220apd47d10cc3f4ba2a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0705230356j50b4220apd47d10cc3f4ba2a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0705230956u4c4886dav9417a0b60621608a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stuart & Everyone,

On a slightly different topic, in last month's meet we discussed the idea of
having some sort of Ruby workshop.  I've investigated some potential venues
for us to do such an event and have actually had an offer from an
organisation to host it at no charge!  All we have to do in return is allow
them to promote the event themselves and plug their services.

I think this is a great option as we won't have to worry about hiring a
venue or the costs involved.  I'll talk more about it at the net LUG meet
(which is a week tomorrow).

Les

On 5/23/07, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here at work I have been given a task of building a program that does
> general house keeping tasks on an image gallary (several gigs of images, all
> mundane im afraid ;) ).
>
> So I went and broke out the old pascal compiler, and realised it was so
> 1980s (which is when I last used it ;) ) and that it wouldn't cut it. I need
> to create an image gallary, but none of the ones availabe either a) Do what
> we want or b) too flakey/too many "toy" features
>
> Looking around I do need to learn a bit about programming as it stands
> atm. I am not a *good* programmer, I just tend to hack bits together.
> However I have several programs to help me here that I have concieved that
> would do general admin task but I don't know what language is going to be
> best to write them in and theres no way on this earth im going to touch .Net
> !
>
> I was thinking Perl, but its just so "strange" or maybe Java. I'm not
> really doing anything fancy but I really want to get coding. I did some very
> very basic Java back at Uni, but its all forgotten now, although I do
> remember about Objects, inheritance etc etc.
>
> Any advice ?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Wed May 23 17:55:22 2007
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:55:22 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0705230956u4c4886dav9417a0b60621608a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0705230356j50b4220apd47d10cc3f4ba2a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0705230956u4c4886dav9417a0b60621608a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0705231055q568e60aahadb1a99085929f9c@mail.gmail.com>

Well two things, firstly, i looked at python  looks interesting and spend
the afternoon looking at it.

Secondly Les, do you mean we provide the course, they provide the premises
type thing ?

On 23/05/07, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Stuart & Everyone,
>
> On a slightly different topic, in last month's meet we discussed the idea
> of having some sort of Ruby workshop.  I've investigated some potential
> venues for us to do such an event and have actually had an offer from an
> organisation to host it at no charge!  All we have to do in return is allow
> them to promote the event themselves and plug their services.
>
> I think this is a great option as we won't have to worry about hiring a
> venue or the costs involved.  I'll talk more about it at the net LUG meet
> (which is a week tomorrow).
>
> Les
>
> On 5/23/07, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here at work I have been given a task of building a program that does
> > general house keeping tasks on an image gallary (several gigs of images, all
> > mundane im afraid ;) ).
> >
> > So I went and broke out the old pascal compiler, and realised it was so
> > 1980s (which is when I last used it ;) ) and that it wouldn't cut it. I need
> > to create an image gallary, but none of the ones availabe either a) Do what
> > we want or b) too flakey/too many "toy" features
> >
> > Looking around I do need to learn a bit about programming as it stands
> > atm. I am not a *good* programmer, I just tend to hack bits together.
> > However I have several programs to help me here that I have concieved that
> > would do general admin task but I don't know what language is going to be
> > best to write them in and theres no way on this earth im going to touch .Net
> > !
> >
> > I was thinking Perl, but its just so "strange" or maybe Java. I'm not
> > really doing anything fancy but I really want to get coding. I did some very
> > very basic Java back at Uni, but its all forgotten now, although I do
> > remember about Objects, inheritance etc etc.
> >
> > Any advice ?
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
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From george at goatadsl.co.uk  Wed May 23 18:24:27 2007
From: george at goatadsl.co.uk (George)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:24:27 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0705230356j50b4220apd47d10cc3f4ba2a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0705230356j50b4220apd47d10cc3f4ba2a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <465486AE.5090907@goatadsl.co.uk>

Stuart Burns wrote:
> So I went and broke out the old pascal compiler, and realised it was so 
> 1980s (which is when I last used it ;) ) and that it wouldn't cut it. I 
> need to create an image gallary, but none of the ones availabe either a) 
> Do what we want or b) too flakey/too many "toy" features

I tend to use Python to do pretty much everything these days.

Depending on what it is you're wanting to do exactly you might find 
http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/ useful.

Probably a very silly question but you have checked out "Gallery" 
haven't you? Gallery2 has quite a selection of modules available so even 
if it doesn't do what you want out of the box there's potential.

George



From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Wed May 23 19:56:25 2007
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:56:25 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0705231055q568e60aahadb1a99085929f9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0705230356j50b4220apd47d10cc3f4ba2a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0705230956u4c4886dav9417a0b60621608a@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8b7bbcc0705231055q568e60aahadb1a99085929f9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0705231256s1b8e1b11mdf8f131dec6333a1@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/23/07, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well two things, firstly, i looked at python  looks interesting and spend
> the afternoon looking at it.
>
> Secondly Les, do you mean we provide the course, they provide the premises
> type thing ?


Yeah, pretty much.  It wouldn't be a course, just more of a workshop where
we get together and try some programming.  I would like to see it being
pretty informal.

On 23/05/07, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Stuart & Everyone,
> >
> > On a slightly different topic, in last month's meet we discussed the
> > idea of having some sort of Ruby workshop.  I've investigated some potential
> > venues for us to do such an event and have actually had an offer from an
> > organisation to host it at no charge!  All we have to do in return is allow
> > them to promote the event themselves and plug their services.
> >
> > I think this is a great option as we won't have to worry about hiring a
> > venue or the costs involved.  I'll talk more about it at the net LUG meet
> > (which is a week tomorrow).
> >
> > Les
> >
> > On 5/23/07, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Here at work I have been given a task of building a program that does
> > > general house keeping tasks on an image gallary (several gigs of images, all
> > > mundane im afraid ;) ).
> > >
> > > So I went and broke out the old pascal compiler, and realised it was
> > > so 1980s (which is when I last used it ;) ) and that it wouldn't cut it. I
> > > need to create an image gallary, but none of the ones availabe either a) Do
> > > what we want or b) too flakey/too many "toy" features
> > >
> > > Looking around I do need to learn a bit about programming as it stands
> > > atm. I am not a *good* programmer, I just tend to hack bits together.
> > > However I have several programs to help me here that I have concieved that
> > > would do general admin task but I don't know what language is going to be
> > > best to write them in and theres no way on this earth im going to touch .Net
> > > !
> > >
> > > I was thinking Perl, but its just so "strange" or maybe Java. I'm not
> > > really doing anything fancy but I really want to get coding. I did some very
> > > very basic Java back at Uni, but its all forgotten now, although I do
> > > remember about Objects, inheritance etc etc.
> > >
> > > Any advice ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chester mailing list
> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> >
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From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Thu May 24 22:56:49 2007
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:56:49 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
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[snip]
> I was thinking Perl, but its just so "strange" or maybe Java. I'm not
> really doing anything fancy but I really want to get coding. I did
> some very very basic Java back at Uni, but its all forgotten now,
> although I do remember about Objects, inheritance etc etc.
> 
> Any advice ?

I would agree with the posts advising Perl, Python or Ruby. If you find
Perl ``strange'', then go for Ruby. It's v straightforward. However
Python imposes a little more discipline of thought, and seems far
more logical.

Regardless, there's no need to do all of the hard work - use a framework
like Django (Python) or Rails (Ruby). Ruby and RoR are very well
documented, and the NW Ruby User Group is very supportive.

If you want a fun option, take a look at the Smalltalk framework,
Seaside :-)  Objects and inheritance without the vast, sprawling
mass of libraries that is Java.

 - Richard


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From dh at iucr.org  Tue May 29 09:38:57 2007
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:38:57 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
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On Thursday 24 May 2007, Richard Smedley wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > I was thinking Perl, but its just so "strange" or maybe Java. I'm not
> > really doing anything fancy but I really want to get coding. I did
> > some very very basic Java back at Uni, but its all forgotten now,
> > although I do remember about Objects, inheritance etc etc.
> >
> > Any advice ?
>
> I would agree with the posts advising Perl, Python or Ruby. If you find
> Perl ``strange'', then go for Ruby. It's v straightforward. However
> Python imposes a little more discipline of thought, and seems far
> more logical.

 dangerous ground Richard:) Next you will be saying you prefer emacs to vi

Dave.



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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Wed May 30 11:40:09 2007
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:40:09 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet
Message-ID: <a801c01e0705300440r518c1ac3x415e6b8e4b94e069@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Just a reminder that the next LUG meet is tomorrow night in the usual place
(Old King's Head, Lower Bridge Street) from 7pm.

See you there

Les
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Wed May 30 11:41:11 2007
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:41:11 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] GUADEC registration open
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Any Gnome fans?!

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Submitted By: Thomas Wood <thos at gnome.org>

GUADEC (the GNOME conference) is being held in the UK this year, and
we'd like to encourage as many particpents from the UK as possible
to get involved and interested in the GNOME project.

Registration has just opened, and information about the conference
is available at <http://guadec.org/node/745>. I would be grateful if
this could be passed on to as many LUGs as possible who may have
members interested in coming along.

Regards,

Thomas

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From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Thu May 31 04:55:26 2007
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 04:55:26 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
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> > I would agree with the posts advising Perl, Python or Ruby. If you
> > find Perl ``strange'', then go for Ruby. It's v straightforward.
> > However Python imposes a little more discipline of thought, and
> > seems far more logical.
> 
>  dangerous ground Richard:) Next you will be saying you prefer emacs
> to vi

Ha! This must be the only list where I haven't sung
the praises of Emacs then ;-P

However while vi should be avoided at all costs [1], there
are reasons to choose any out of Perl, Python and Ruby 
- it depends upon the project and programmer. Additionally
in 90 per cent of products requiring one of these three,
any of them will do a decent enough job :-)

What I'm saying is that the choice will /usually/ come down
to non-technical factors. 

On Vi/Emacs - how about half an hour on each at the LUG meeting,
demonstrating the best features of each :)

 - Richard

[1] /ducks and runs

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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Thu May 31 07:17:38 2007
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:17:38 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
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Well Chaps, after your sound advice,a nice little programming job has fallen
into my to do box. Basically I have to write a little program to take some
information out of an shipping manifest and create a prettier HTML based
output. It should be a good learning experience, not a huge job, but enough
to get the basics.

As for language, perl is a little odd to me, wheras Python makes sense, at
least to me, in how it does things, so you can guess which route I am going!



On 30/05/07, Richard Smedley <smedley358 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
> > > I would agree with the posts advising Perl, Python or Ruby. If you
> > > find Perl ``strange'', then go for Ruby. It's v straightforward.
> > > However Python imposes a little more discipline of thought, and
> > > seems far more logical.
> >
> >  dangerous ground Richard:) Next you will be saying you prefer emacs
> > to vi
>
> Ha! This must be the only list where I haven't sung
> the praises of Emacs then ;-P
>
> However while vi should be avoided at all costs [1], there
> are reasons to choose any out of Perl, Python and Ruby
> - it depends upon the project and programmer. Additionally
> in 90 per cent of products requiring one of these three,
> any of them will do a decent enough job :-)
>
> What I'm saying is that the choice will /usually/ come down
> to non-technical factors.
>
> On Vi/Emacs - how about half an hour on each at the LUG meeting,
> demonstrating the best features of each :)
>
> - Richard
>
> [1] /ducks and runs
>
> --
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> Technical Director,                                     www.M6-IT.org
> M6-IT CIC                                        +44 (0)779 456 07 14
>
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> Web services * Back-ups * Support * Training & Certification * E-Mail
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>
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>
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>
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Thu May 31 15:09:56 2007
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:09:56 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
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"On Vi/Emacs - how about half an hour on each at the LUG meeting,
demonstrating the best features of each :)"

Sounds potentially dangerous :-)  but could be very interesting!
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From dh at iucr.org  Thu May 31 16:49:20 2007
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:49:20 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] which programming language
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On Thursday 31 May 2007, Les Pritchard wrote:
> "On Vi/Emacs - how about half an hour on each at the LUG meeting,
> demonstrating the best features of each :)"
>
> Sounds potentially dangerous :-)  but could be very interesting!

We I use emacs in Viper mode so I get best/worst of both worlds!

Dave.


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