From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 19:05:01 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:05:01 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with runlevels
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0804071204m53866532p3d88b0cfb9e6e93@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone.

I have what most of you must consider a  really basic question.

Obviously when a machine boots, it reads inittab. This tells it which
runlevel to use.

However, when executing, does it go through all the runlevels. Ie if I run a
full level 5 system, does it execute runlevels 234 to get there or does it
just run the script for level 5 ?

Cheers

Stuart
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From dh at iucr.org  Tue Apr  8 10:57:31 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:57:31 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with runlevels
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0804071204m53866532p3d88b0cfb9e6e93@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0804071204m53866532p3d88b0cfb9e6e93@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200804081157.24090.dh@iucr.org>

On Monday 07 April 2008, Stuart Burns wrote:
> Hi Everyone.
>
> I have what most of you must consider a  really basic question.
>
> Obviously when a machine boots, it reads inittab. This tells it which
> runlevel to use.
>
> However, when executing, does it go through all the runlevels. Ie if I run
> a full level 5 system, does it execute runlevels 234 to get there or does
> it just run the script for level 5 ?
>
> Cheers
>
> Stuart

 Good question, not really sure, although Logically I would expect it to go 
through all run levels up to 2 as this is the point at which it reaches multi 
user mode.

You could test by setting a service to run in level 3 and not in 5 and reboot, 
if you are set to default to 5 and the server is running then it must have 
gone through 3.

Dave.



-- 
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From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 19:10:39 2008
From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:10:39 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with runlevels
In-Reply-To: <200804081157.24090.dh@iucr.org>
References: <b8b7bbcc0804071204m53866532p3d88b0cfb9e6e93@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804081157.24090.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <e8c51aca0804081210ub1e0ba4t873151d5d0231c21@mail.gmail.com>

</lurk>

Wikipedia has a pretty good page explaining the whole UNIX/Linux
runlevel business. It's largely based on the distro you're using.

Level 0 means it's off, Level 3 brings up the base system (servers and
alike will be running in level 3), X gets switched on at level 5. Init
6 reboots the machine.

Have a read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel

HTH

B

<lurk>



From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Tue Apr  8 22:03:30 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:03:30 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Introduction...
Message-ID: <1207692205.24071.21.camel@workstation>

Hello,

	My name is Michael Crilly. I currently live in Runcorn and I've started
picking up copies of Linux Format which listed this mailing list.

I guess I'll start by outlining my current Linux experience and setup:

My main box is a Pentium-D 940 3.2GHz with 2gB of DDR2 PC5300, an 80gB
SATA II HDD for the OS and two 320gB SATA II HDDs for storage of media,
etc. The box also holds an nVidia 8800GTS 320mB which was originally for
gaming on Windows but then license fees, bugs, updates, etc annoyed me
so I've moved over to Fedora 8 now; not just for obvious, immediate
benefits but simply to stay legal (I only have one legal copy of XP). I
also wrote my first Fedora "specific" bash script for installing, in one
go, media capabilities onto a clean Fedora 8 installation.

I also have a laptop which runs an AMD Turion with 1gB of RAM and an
120gB HDD which also holds an F8 installation.

I've actually been using Linux on and off for a few years. I'm certainly
no expert - I'd probably say I'm not even an intermediate level user -
but I can get things done in Linux; add MP3, DVD, basically media
support; create documents and spreadsheets, etc. I have a few remote
Linux setups as well in the form of VPS. So, in short, I'm certainly not
a novice.

I'm currently learning Java and studying for my A+ in an effort to get
my foot into the IT market (anyone got any jobs going?) I work for
Vodafone at present as a CSP.

If you have any questions, then please, ask.

Thanks for reading!

- MC.




From "paul,sinclair" at which.net  Tue Apr  8 15:22:54 2008
From: "paul,sinclair" at which.net (Paul Sinclair)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:22:54 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with runlevels
In-Reply-To: <200804081157.24090.dh@iucr.org>
References: <b8b7bbcc0804071204m53866532p3d88b0cfb9e6e93@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804081157.24090.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <47FB8DC5.70909@which.net>

David Holden wrote:
> On Monday 07 April 2008, Stuart Burns wrote:
>> Hi Everyone.
>>
>> I have what most of you must consider a  really basic question.
>>
>> Obviously when a machine boots, it reads inittab. This tells it which
>> runlevel to use.
>>
>> However, when executing, does it go through all the runlevels. Ie if I run
>> a full level 5 system, does it execute runlevels 234 to get there or does
>> it just run the script for level 5 ?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Stuart
> 
>  Good question, not really sure, although Logically I would expect it to go 
> through all run levels up to 2 as this is the point at which it reaches multi 
> user mode.
> 
> You could test by setting a service to run in level 3 and not in 5 and reboot, 
> if you are set to default to 5 and the server is running then it must have 
> gone through 3.
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> 
You could try From Power Up To Bash Prompt HOWTO. It will tell you more 
than you want to know but probably answer your question.

Paul




From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 20:37:35 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:37:35 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Introduction...
In-Reply-To: <1207692205.24071.21.camel@workstation>
References: <1207692205.24071.21.camel@workstation>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804091337y4a746534qca13a523b3067fc4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,
Welcome along to the LUG, we have monthly social meets at the Old King's
Head in Chester and we're currently planning some tech days for the near
future.

Hopefully see you at the next meet.

Les


On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
>        My name is Michael Crilly. I currently live in Runcorn and I've
> started
> picking up copies of Linux Format which listed this mailing list.
>
> I guess I'll start by outlining my current Linux experience and setup:
>
> My main box is a Pentium-D 940 3.2GHz with 2gB of DDR2 PC5300, an 80gB
> SATA II HDD for the OS and two 320gB SATA II HDDs for storage of media,
> etc. The box also holds an nVidia 8800GTS 320mB which was originally for
> gaming on Windows but then license fees, bugs, updates, etc annoyed me
> so I've moved over to Fedora 8 now; not just for obvious, immediate
> benefits but simply to stay legal (I only have one legal copy of XP). I
> also wrote my first Fedora "specific" bash script for installing, in one
> go, media capabilities onto a clean Fedora 8 installation.
>
> I also have a laptop which runs an AMD Turion with 1gB of RAM and an
> 120gB HDD which also holds an F8 installation.
>
> I've actually been using Linux on and off for a few years. I'm certainly
> no expert - I'd probably say I'm not even an intermediate level user -
> but I can get things done in Linux; add MP3, DVD, basically media
> support; create documents and spreadsheets, etc. I have a few remote
> Linux setups as well in the form of VPS. So, in short, I'm certainly not
> a novice.
>
> I'm currently learning Java and studying for my A+ in an effort to get
> my foot into the IT market (anyone got any jobs going?) I work for
> Vodafone at present as a CSP.
>
> If you have any questions, then please, ask.
>
> Thanks for reading!
>
> - MC.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed Apr  9 21:00:31 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:00:31 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] CD/DVD Backup Script
Message-ID: <1207774822.3140.19.camel@workstation>

Hello,

	I wanted to share a simple(?) script I wrote today that rips and backs
up a CD or DVD (at present, it uses 'dd' by default so it won't handle
commercial/encrypted DVDs) to a compressed and encrypted ISO file.

http://moveax.net/dump/scripts/back-it-up.sh

The script has some dependencies:

	* It requires dd;
	* ncrypt (though encryption is optional, see below);
	* tar and
	* 7za for the compression.

Of course, there are variables at the top of the script to let you
define your own tools and their flags, if you like. The dependencies
above are merely for the default values.

sh back-it-up.sh /dev/<cdrom> /back/up/point/filename [-e] [-w]

(or you can 'chmod +x back-it-up.sh' for the './back-it-up.sh' effect)

The first parameter is for the block device of your CD/DVD drive. The
backup point is the location of where you want the backup to be place,
oddly enough. You don't need to apply a .iso extension, all that is done
for you.

The '-e' trigger is to let the script know you want to encrypt the
compressed iso file. '-w' is used to tell the script you want to remove
the originally ripped .iso file and the .iso.tar.compressed file.

Let me know what you think, even if you think it's completely useless! I
know it needs a few teaks here and there, but ultimately I'm hoping to
write this again in Java. 

- MC




From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Fri Apr 11 16:38:00 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:38:00 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] E-mail issues
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804091337y4a746534qca13a523b3067fc4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1207692205.24071.21.camel@workstation>
	<a801c01e0804091337y4a746534qca13a523b3067fc4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1207931876.3140.21.camel@workstation>

Hi,

	Sorry I had a serious problem with my VDS and as such, any e-mails
after my bash script email won't have been receive - could someone
forward them to me @ e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk please?

Thank you.

- MC




From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Sun Apr 13 19:41:40 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:41:40 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?3_copies_of_Linux_Magazine_=A36_-_P?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?otential_Bargain?=
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0804131241g3c9bca1ch18dfc45c4f5eb525@mail.gmail.com>

Was in WHSmith today reading Linux Magazine (Yes I do it, I'll admit it!)
and i saw they were doing a special intro offer - 3 copies for £6, then
cancel if you don't like it, ie £2 each. - Just remember to cancel if you
don't want it after you get the second copy.

https://www.linux-magazine.com/subscribe/trial_subscription

Terms and conditions:
https://www.linux-magazine.com/subscribe/trial_subscription_terms_conditions
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Mon Apr 14 11:13:38 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:13:38 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] King's Head
Message-ID: <1208171614.3221.6.camel@workstation>

Hi,

	When you meet at the king's head, what time do you meet there? Is there
any partial structure to the meetings, or are they simply to talk geek
and have a laugh? :)

Cheers

- mc




From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 11:38:52 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:38:52 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] King's Head
In-Reply-To: <1208171614.3221.6.camel@workstation>
References: <1208171614.3221.6.camel@workstation>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0804140438u56c06d38ic86804369aebfe73@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,

It's basically a good old chinwag and geek talk and much laughter with my
latest dilbertesque stories from the it dept at my company!

I think we are planning on doing some new stuff later in the year though.
Although its not confirmed.

Stuart

On 14/04/2008, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>         When you meet at the king's head, what time do you meet there? Is
> there
> any partial structure to the meetings, or are they simply to talk geek
> and have a laugh? :)
>
> Cheers
>
> - mc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 12:49:11 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:49:11 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] King's Head
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0804140438u56c06d38ic86804369aebfe73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1208171614.3221.6.camel@workstation>
	<b8b7bbcc0804140438u56c06d38ic86804369aebfe73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804140549v762528adweadd05377f3114e9@mail.gmail.com>

I think Stuart has described it perfectly!  We normally meet from 7pm
onward.

We are planning some other events in the near future so keep an eye out for
them.  To let everyone know, I've got some initial prices for our meet, but
there is a chance of a discount for non-profit organisations so once I get
the details on that I'll let you know.

Les

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> It's basically a good old chinwag and geek talk and much laughter with my
> latest dilbertesque stories from the it dept at my company!
>
> I think we are planning on doing some new stuff later in the year though.
> Although its not confirmed.
>
> Stuart
>
>
> On 14/04/2008, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >         When you meet at the king's head, what time do you meet there?
> > Is there
> > any partial structure to the meetings, or are they simply to talk geek
> > and have a laugh? :)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > - mc
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 13:04:22 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:04:22 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Talk
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804140604k8cf7863uf318c4e6c51cbfb0@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone else fancy going to this?  I'm hoping to get there if you fancy
a lift share between some of us.

Free of charge evening talk organised in association with the Manchester
branches of the BCS and IET. 'Free Software in Ethics and Practice' -
speaker: Richard Stallman Thursday 1st May, 2008 - Talk starts at 6:45pm
(ends approx. 8:30pm) with refreshments from 6:15pm. Venue:  Room D1, Renold
Building, University of Manchester, Sackville Street, Manchester M1 3BB
There is no need to book a place - just turn up on the night. Abstract:
Richard Stallman will speak about the Free Software Movement, which
campaigns for freedom so that computer users can cooperate to control their
own computing activities.  The Free Software Movement developed the GNU
operating system, often erroneously referred to as Linux, specifically to
establish these freedoms. About the speaker: Richard Stallman launched the
development of the GNU operating system (see www.gnu.org) in 1984.  GNU is
free software: everyone has the freedom to copy it and redistribute it, as
well as to make changes either large or small.  The GNU/Linux system,
basically the GNU operating system with Linux added, is used on tens of
millions of computers today.  Stallman has received the ACM Grace Hopper
Award, a MacArthur Foundation fellowship, the Electronic Frontier
Foundation's Pioneer award, and the the Takeda Award for Social/Economic
Betterment, as well as several honorary doctorates. --
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From dh at iucr.org  Mon Apr 14 13:18:20 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:18:20 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] King's Head
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804140549v762528adweadd05377f3114e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1208171614.3221.6.camel@workstation>
	<b8b7bbcc0804140438u56c06d38ic86804369aebfe73@mail.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0804140549v762528adweadd05377f3114e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200804141418.15942.dh@iucr.org>

On Monday 14 April 2008, Les Pritchard wrote:
> I think Stuart has described it perfectly!  We normally meet from 7pm
> onward.
>
> We are planning some other events in the near future so keep an eye out for
> them.  To let everyone know, I've got some initial prices for our meet, but
> there is a chance of a discount for non-profit organisations so once I get
> the details on that I'll let you know.
>
> Les
>

Cheers Les.

Dave.



> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Stuart Burns
> <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > It's basically a good old chinwag and geek talk and much laughter with my
> > latest dilbertesque stories from the it dept at my company!
> >
> > I think we are planning on doing some new stuff later in the year though.
> > Although its not confirmed.
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 14/04/2008, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >         When you meet at the king's head, what time do you meet there?
> > > Is there
> > > any partial structure to the meetings, or are they simply to talk geek
> > > and have a laugh? :)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > - mc
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chester mailing list
> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester



-- 
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See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
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From simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk  Mon Apr 14 13:24:52 2008
From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk (Simon Willett)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:24:52 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Talk
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804140604k8cf7863uf318c4e6c51cbfb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a801c01e0804140604k8cf7863uf318c4e6c51cbfb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c89e32$f3f98ab0$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>

I would love to go to this!! 

 

 

Simon Willett

 

  _____  

From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Les Pritchard
Sent: 14 April 2008 14:04
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [Chester LUG] Talk

 

Does anyone else fancy going to this?  I'm hoping to get there if you fancy
a lift share between some of us.

Free of charge evening talk organised in association with the Manchester
branches of the BCS and IET. 'Free Software in Ethics and Practice' -
speaker: Richard Stallman Thursday 1st May, 2008 - Talk starts at 6:45pm
(ends approx. 8:30pm) with refreshments from 6:15pm. Venue:  Room D1, Renold
Building, University of Manchester, Sackville Street, Manchester M1 3BB
There is no need to book a place - just turn up on the night. Abstract:
Richard Stallman will speak about the Free Software Movement, which
campaigns for freedom so that computer users can cooperate to control their
own computing activities.  The Free Software Movement developed the GNU
operating system, often erroneously referred to as Linux, specifically to
establish these freedoms. About the speaker: Richard Stallman launched the
development of the GNU operating system (see www.gnu.org
<http://www.gnu.org/> ) in 1984.  GNU is free software: everyone has the
freedom to copy it and redistribute it, as well as to make changes either
large or small.  The GNU/Linux system, basically the GNU operating system
with Linux added, is used on tens of millions of computers today.  Stallman
has received the ACM Grace Hopper Award, a MacArthur Foundation fellowship,
the Electronic Frontier Foundation's Pioneer award, and the the Takeda Award
for Social/Economic Betterment, as well as several honorary doctorates. 

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From rcgibson at talktalk.net  Mon Apr 14 13:28:41 2008
From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:28:41 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Talk
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804140604k8cf7863uf318c4e6c51cbfb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a801c01e0804140604k8cf7863uf318c4e6c51cbfb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48035C05.7060204@talktalk.net>

I've put it in my diary, and will see how I am fixed nearer the time.

Les Pritchard said the following on 14/04/2008 14:04:
> Does anyone else fancy going to this?  I'm hoping to get there if you 
> fancy a lift share between some of us.
>
> Free of charge evening talk organised in association with the 
> Manchester branches of the BCS and IET. 'Free Software in Ethics and 
> Practice' - speaker: Richard Stallman Thursday 1st May, 2008 - Talk 
> starts at 6:45pm (ends approx. 8:30pm) with refreshments from 6:15pm. 
> Venue:  Room D1, Renold Building, University of Manchester, Sackville 
> Street, Manchester M1 3BB There is no need to book a place - just turn 
> up on the night. Abstract: Richard Stallman will speak about the Free 
> Software Movement, which campaigns for freedom so that computer users 
> can cooperate to control their own computing activities.  The Free 
> Software Movement developed the GNU operating system, often 
> erroneously referred to as Linux, specifically to establish these 
> freedoms. About the speaker: Richard Stallman launched the development 
> of the GNU operating system (see www.gnu.org) in 1984.  GNU is free 
> software: everyone has the freedom to copy it and redistribute it, as 
> well as to make changes either large or small.  The GNU/Linux system, 
> basically the GNU operating system with Linux added, is used on tens 
> of millions of computers today.  Stallman has received the ACM Grace 
> Hopper Award, a MacArthur Foundation fellowship, the Electronic 
> Frontier Foundation's Pioneer award, and the the Takeda Award for 
> Social/Economic Betterment, as well as several honorary doctorates.
> -- 
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.
> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
> ______________________________________________________________________
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Mon Apr 14 13:54:59 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:54:59 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Talk
In-Reply-To: <48035C05.7060204@talktalk.net>
References: <a801c01e0804140604k8cf7863uf318c4e6c51cbfb0@mail.gmail.com>
	<48035C05.7060204@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0804140644y77c33676k43cd71f9b01bf0e4@mail.gmail.com>

I also would love to go. I have read much about RMS, but not seen him in
person.

On 14/04/2008, Roger Gibson <rcgibson at talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>  I've put it in my diary, and will see how I am fixed nearer the time.
>
> Les Pritchard said the following on 14/04/2008 14:04:
>
> Does anyone else fancy going to this?  I'm hoping to get there if you
> fancy a lift share between some of us.
>
> Free of charge evening talk organised in association with the Manchester
> branches of the BCS and IET. 'Free Software in Ethics and Practice' -
> speaker: Richard Stallman Thursday 1st May, 2008 - Talk starts at 6:45pm
> (ends approx. 8:30pm) with refreshments from 6:15pm. Venue:  Room D1, Renold
> Building, University of Manchester, Sackville Street, Manchester M1 3BB
> There is no need to book a place - just turn up on the night. Abstract:
> Richard Stallman will speak about the Free Software Movement, which
> campaigns for freedom so that computer users can cooperate to control their
> own computing activities.  The Free Software Movement developed the GNU
> operating system, often erroneously referred to as Linux, specifically to
> establish these freedoms. About the speaker: Richard Stallman launched the
> development of the GNU operating system (see www.gnu.org) in 1984.  GNU is
> free software: everyone has the freedom to copy it and redistribute it, as
> well as to make changes either large or small.  The GNU/Linux system,
> basically the GNU operating system with Linux added, is used on tens of
> millions of computers today.  Stallman has received the ACM Grace Hopper
> Award, a MacArthur Foundation fellowship, the Electronic Frontier
> Foundation's Pioneer award, and the the Takeda Award for Social/Economic
> Betterment, as well as several honorary doctorates. --
>
>
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From aviator at beeb.net  Mon Apr 14 16:19:32 2008
From: aviator at beeb.net (Len' Townsley)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 16:19:32 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Beware of imposters. !!!
Message-ID: <480383F9.7070302@beeb.net>

No comment necessary.

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Mon Apr 14 19:51:05 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:51:05 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] King's Head
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804140549v762528adweadd05377f3114e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1208171614.3221.6.camel@workstation>
	<b8b7bbcc0804140438u56c06d38ic86804369aebfe73@mail.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0804140549v762528adweadd05377f3114e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1208202660.3221.8.camel@workstation>

Well I've booked the day off work, so I'll see you there guys ;)

On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 13:49 +0100, Les Pritchard wrote:
> I think Stuart has described it perfectly!  We normally meet from 7pm
> onward.
> 
> We are planning some other events in the near future so keep an eye
> out for them.  To let everyone know, I've got some initial prices for
> our meet, but there is a chance of a discount for non-profit
> organisations so once I get the details on that I'll let you know.
> 
> Les
> 
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Stuart Burns
> <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>         Hi Michael,
>         
>         It's basically a good old chinwag and geek talk and much
>         laughter with my latest dilbertesque stories from the it dept
>         at my company!
>         
>         I think we are planning on doing some new stuff later in the
>         year though. Although its not confirmed.
>         
>         Stuart
>         
>         
>         
>         On 14/04/2008, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk> wrote:
>                 Hi,
>                 
>                         When you meet at the king's head, what time do
>                 you meet there? Is there
>                 any partial structure to the meetings, or are they
>                 simply to talk geek
>                 and have a laugh? :)
>                 
>                 Cheers
>                 
>                 - mc
>                 
>                 
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Mon Apr 14 19:51:21 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:51:21 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Talk
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804140604k8cf7863uf318c4e6c51cbfb0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a801c01e0804140604k8cf7863uf318c4e6c51cbfb0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1208202677.3221.10.camel@workstation>

I'd also like to go to this event. I'll check the schedule at work.

On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 14:04 +0100, Les Pritchard wrote:
> Does anyone else fancy going to this?  I'm hoping to get there if you
> fancy a lift share between some of us.
> 
> Free of charge evening talk organised in association with the
> Manchester branches of the BCS and IET. 'Free Software in Ethics and
> Practice' - speaker: Richard Stallman Thursday 1st May, 2008 - Talk
> starts at 6:45pm (ends approx. 8:30pm) with refreshments from 6:15pm.
> Venue:  Room D1, Renold Building, University of Manchester, Sackville
> Street, Manchester M1 3BB There is no need to book a place - just turn
> up on the night. Abstract: Richard Stallman will speak about the Free
> Software Movement, which campaigns for freedom so that computer users
> can cooperate to control their own computing activities.  The Free
> Software Movement developed the GNU operating system, often
> erroneously referred to as Linux, specifically to establish these
> freedoms. About the speaker: Richard Stallman launched the development
> of the GNU operating system (see www.gnu.org) in 1984.  GNU is free
> software: everyone has the freedom to copy it and redistribute it, as
> well as to make changes either large or small.  The GNU/Linux system,
> basically the GNU operating system with Linux added, is used on tens
> of millions of computers today.  Stallman has received the ACM Grace
> Hopper Award, a MacArthur Foundation fellowship, the Electronic
> Frontier Foundation's Pioneer award, and the the Takeda Award for
> Social/Economic Betterment, as well as several honorary doctorates. 
> -- 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester




From movedx at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 12:09:43 2008
From: movedx at gmail.com (M. Crilly)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:09:43 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] e-mail change
Message-ID: <77c2c7d97059543106316c61d0bb069a@imap.gmail.com>


Hi,

I've subscribed with this e-mail address as my other was giving me issues.

 -- MC  




From movedx at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 11:58:14 2008
From: movedx at gmail.com (M. Crilly)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:58:14 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Home Backup Solution
Message-ID: <f6dfe8250406dd8780eea908e342342b@imap.gmail.com>


Hi,

I was wondering - how do you guys deal with data backups at home? I'm
looking for a backup solution that can support a lot of data; a good 1-2tB
of storage would be nice for all my media and software, etc...

Any suggestions on hardware/software?

 -- MC  




From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 13:41:10 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:41:10 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Home Backup Solution
In-Reply-To: <f6dfe8250406dd8780eea908e342342b@imap.gmail.com>
References: <f6dfe8250406dd8780eea908e342342b@imap.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804180641k471f8d4do24f104d62f7a47a2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

HDDs seem to be by far the cheapest option for backups, but you are relying
on disks.  Saying that, I've seen backup tapes fail quite a few times in the
past.

I'm a believer in keeping it simple for backups, so I use a NAS box to store
my backups.  I have a simple shell script that rsyncs my data over and
maintains diffs.  For the NAS side of it, I use FreeNAS and a Solaris box
with ZFS.

Les

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:58 PM, M. Crilly <movedx at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering - how do you guys deal with data backups at home? I'm
> looking for a backup solution that can support a lot of data; a good 1-2tB
> of storage would be nice for all my media and software, etc...
>
> Any suggestions on hardware/software?
>
>  -- MC
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
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From movedx at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 16:58:06 2008
From: movedx at gmail.com (M. Crilly)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:58:06 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Home Backup Solution
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804180641k471f8d4do24f104d62f7a47a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f6dfe8250406dd8780eea908e342342b@imap.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0804180641k471f8d4do24f104d62f7a47a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fb0934e1c4fa56cdace2bea73075194d@imap.gmail.com>


Hello,

For my two internal media and software HDDs, I'd just use a simple rsync
like your self and then encrypt them once they're on the NAS - wouldn't
want someone hacking into my network and having access to all my legal
(honest - it's all DVD and CD backups) media, movies, games, software etc.
I'll review FreeNAS and see if it fits my needs - it probably does - and
throw a cheap box together. I just need something that's relatively quiet;
server cases are expensive these days but the noise polution can be
countered with sound proof insulation.

Something else that's on my mind. You guys reckon it's safer from a HDD
failure point of view, to have two 500gB HDDs rather than a single 1tB?
Obviously from a price point of view the single drive wins (or so I
believe).

- mc

---

 On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:41:09 +0100, "Les Pritchard" wrote:
  Hi,
 HDDs seem to be by far the cheapest option for backups, but you are
relying on disks.  Saying that, I've seen backup tapes fail quite a
few times in the past.
 I'm a believer in keeping it simple for backups, so I use a NAS box
to store my backups.  I have a simple shell script that rsyncs my data
over and maintains diffs.  For the NAS side of it, I use FreeNAS and a
Solaris box with ZFS.
 Les
  On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:58 PM, M. Crilly  wrote:
 Hi,
 I was wondering - how do you guys deal with data backups at home?
I'm
 looking for a backup solution that can support a lot of data; a good
1-2tB
 of storage would be nice for all my media and software, etc...
 Any suggestions on hardware/software?
  -- MC
 _______________________________________________
 Chester mailing list
 Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk [2]
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Links:
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 22:35:44 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:35:44 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Home Backup Solution
In-Reply-To: <fb0934e1c4fa56cdace2bea73075194d@imap.gmail.com>
References: <f6dfe8250406dd8780eea908e342342b@imap.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0804180641k471f8d4do24f104d62f7a47a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<fb0934e1c4fa56cdace2bea73075194d@imap.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804181535k180e32dfx78c2dc84c47e3500@mail.gmail.com>

Now that's a difficult one.  You could say that two disks are better if you
can spread the data across (so you at least get some back in a failure), but
you could argue that with two you're doubling the chance of a failure!

With it being a backup server, you already have another copy of it.  So it'd
be a very bad day if both disks were to fail at the same time!

Les

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 5:58 PM, M. Crilly <movedx at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> For my two internal media and software HDDs, I'd just use a simple rsync
> like your self and then encrypt them once they're on the NAS - wouldn't
> want someone hacking into my network and having access to all my legal
> (honest - it's all DVD and CD backups) media, movies, games, software etc.
> I'll review FreeNAS and see if it fits my needs - it probably does - and
> throw a cheap box together. I just need something that's relatively quiet;
> server cases are expensive these days but the noise polution can be
> countered with sound proof insulation.
>
> Something else that's on my mind. You guys reckon it's safer from a HDD
> failure point of view, to have two 500gB HDDs rather than a single 1tB?
> Obviously from a price point of view the single drive wins (or so I
> believe).
>
> - mc
>
> ---
>
>  On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 14:41:09 +0100, "Les Pritchard" wrote:
>  Hi,
>  HDDs seem to be by far the cheapest option for backups, but you are
> relying on disks.  Saying that, I've seen backup tapes fail quite a
> few times in the past.
>  I'm a believer in keeping it simple for backups, so I use a NAS box
> to store my backups.  I have a simple shell script that rsyncs my data
> over and maintains diffs.  For the NAS side of it, I use FreeNAS and a
> Solaris box with ZFS.
>  Les
>   On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:58 PM, M. Crilly  wrote:
>  Hi,
>  I was wondering - how do you guys deal with data backups at home?
> I'm
>  looking for a backup solution that can support a lot of data; a good
> 1-2tB
>  of storage would be nice for all my media and software, etc...
>  Any suggestions on hardware/software?
>  -- MC
>  _______________________________________________
>  Chester mailing list
>  Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk [2]
>  https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester [3]
>
>
> Links:
> ------
> [1] mailto:movedx at gmail.com
> [2] mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> [3] https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
>
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 22:45:52 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:45:52 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Room Hire
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804181545i17112d36w221a638a1f35138f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I've had a response re. room hire and the good news is they will give us a
room at a discounted rate.  The rooms start from £14 and are big enough for
what we need, so that's really good news I think.

The only downside is there is no net access there.  They did tell me that
they gained access to a near by 'free' wireless network in the past that we
may be able to use!  I'm going to take a trip over there to see if the AP
really is free....or just the property of someone who doesn't realise!

The room rate is excellent for us, but if we could find somewhere with net
access that would be even better.

I'll keep you updated.  (Any other venues you find, please let me know)

Les
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From movedx at gmail.com  Sat Apr 19 11:14:38 2008
From: movedx at gmail.com (M. Crilly)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:14:38 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Room Hire
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804181545i17112d36w221a638a1f35138f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a801c01e0804181545i17112d36w221a638a1f35138f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77f46a2846d20829a85be3e6968d1b8b@imap.gmail.com>


What is the room for, exactly? Am I missing out on something here? :)

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:45:50 +0100, "Les Pritchard"
<les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've had a response re. room hire and the good news is they will give us
a
> room at a discounted rate.  The rooms start from £14 and are big enough
> for
> what we need, so that's really good news I think.
> 
> The only downside is there is no net access there.  They did tell me that
> they gained access to a near by 'free' wireless network in the past that
> we
> may be able to use!  I'm going to take a trip over there to see if the AP
> really is free....or just the property of someone who doesn't realise!
> 
> The room rate is excellent for us, but if we could find somewhere with
net
> access that would be even better.
> 
> I'll keep you updated.  (Any other venues you find, please let me know)
> 
> Les
-- MC




From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Sat Apr 19 17:00:19 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:00:19 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Room Hire
In-Reply-To: <77f46a2846d20829a85be3e6968d1b8b@imap.gmail.com>
References: <a801c01e0804181545i17112d36w221a638a1f35138f@mail.gmail.com>
	<77f46a2846d20829a85be3e6968d1b8b@imap.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804191000r5b0f99edj206edd71d0cb0dd0@mail.gmail.com>

We're looking to hire a room for a tech day were we have a play with some
hardware or software that someone may have discovered or we try out
something we've all been meaning to play with in a more heads are better
than one approach.

Should be a bit of fun at least!

Les
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 12:14 PM, M. Crilly <movedx at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> What is the room for, exactly? Am I missing out on something here? :)
>
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:45:50 +0100, "Les Pritchard"
> <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've had a response re. room hire and the good news is they will give us
> a
> > room at a discounted rate.  The rooms start from £14 and are big enough
> > for
> > what we need, so that's really good news I think.
> >
> > The only downside is there is no net access there.  They did tell me
> that
> > they gained access to a near by 'free' wireless network in the past that
> > we
> > may be able to use!  I'm going to take a trip over there to see if the
> AP
> > really is free....or just the property of someone who doesn't realise!
> >
> > The room rate is excellent for us, but if we could find somewhere with
> net
> > access that would be even better.
> >
> > I'll keep you updated.  (Any other venues you find, please let me know)
> >
> > Les
> -- MC
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Sat Apr 19 17:22:16 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (M. Crilly (movedx))
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:22:16 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Room Hire
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804191000r5b0f99edj206edd71d0cb0dd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a801c01e0804181545i17112d36w221a638a1f35138f@mail.gmail.com>	<77f46a2846d20829a85be3e6968d1b8b@imap.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0804191000r5b0f99edj206edd71d0cb0dd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <480A2A3B.5030402@gmail.com>

Yeah I agree, that will be fun.

Les Pritchard wrote:
> We're looking to hire a room for a tech day were we have a play with 
> some hardware or software that someone may have discovered or we try 
> out something we've all been meaning to play with in a more heads are 
> better than one approach.
>  
> Should be a bit of fun at least!
>  
> Les
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 12:14 PM, M. Crilly <movedx at gmail.com 
> <mailto:movedx at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     What is the room for, exactly? Am I missing out on something here? :)
>
>     On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:45:50 +0100, "Les Pritchard"
>     <les.pritchard at gmail.com <mailto:les.pritchard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     > Hi all,
>     >
>     > I've had a response re. room hire and the good news is they will
>     give us
>     a
>     > room at a discounted rate.  The rooms start from £14 and are big
>     enough
>     > for
>     > what we need, so that's really good news I think.
>     >
>     > The only downside is there is no net access there.  They did
>     tell me that
>     > they gained access to a near by 'free' wireless network in the
>     past that
>     > we
>     > may be able to use!  I'm going to take a trip over there to see
>     if the AP
>     > really is free....or just the property of someone who doesn't
>     realise!
>     >
>     > The room rate is excellent for us, but if we could find
>     somewhere with
>     net
>     > access that would be even better.
>     >
>     > I'll keep you updated.  (Any other venues you find, please let
>     me know)
>     >
>     > Les
>     -- MC
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Chester mailing list
>     Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>     https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From dh at iucr.org  Sun Apr 20 12:11:13 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:11:13 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Room Hire
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804181545i17112d36w221a638a1f35138f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a801c01e0804181545i17112d36w221a638a1f35138f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200804201311.02375.dh@iucr.org>

On Friday 18 April 2008, Les Pritchard wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've had a response re. room hire and the good news is they will give us a
> room at a discounted rate.  The rooms start from £14 and are big enough for
> what we need, so that's really good news I think.
>
> The only downside is there is no net access there.  They did tell me that
> they gained access to a near by 'free' wireless network in the past that we
> may be able to use!  I'm going to take a trip over there to see if the AP
> really is free....or just the property of someone who doesn't realise!
>
> The room rate is excellent for us, but if we could find somewhere with net
> access that would be even better.
>
> I'll keep you updated.  (Any other venues you find, please let me know)
>
> Les


Sounds good, have they got tee/coffee making facilities?

  Dave.




-- 
Dr. David Holden.

See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 12:29:23 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:29:23 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Room Hire
In-Reply-To: <200804201311.02375.dh@iucr.org>
References: <a801c01e0804181545i17112d36w221a638a1f35138f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804201311.02375.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0804200529u623e7614mbbe894541d9284c2@mail.gmail.com>

I could bring some kettles ;)

On 20/04/2008, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
>
> On Friday 18 April 2008, Les Pritchard wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I've had a response re. room hire and the good news is they will give us
> a
> > room at a discounted rate.  The rooms start from £14 and are big enough
> for
> > what we need, so that's really good news I think.
> >
> > The only downside is there is no net access there.  They did tell me
> that
> > they gained access to a near by 'free' wireless network in the past that
> we
> > may be able to use!  I'm going to take a trip over there to see if the
> AP
> > really is free....or just the property of someone who doesn't realise!
> >
> > The room rate is excellent for us, but if we could find somewhere with
> net
> > access that would be even better.
> >
> > I'll keep you updated.  (Any other venues you find, please let me know)
> >
> > Les
>
>
>
> Sounds good, have they got tee/coffee making facilities?
>
>   Dave.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. David Holden.
>
> See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
> regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From dh at iucr.org  Sun Apr 20 13:05:47 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 13:05:47 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Room Hire
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0804200529u623e7614mbbe894541d9284c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a801c01e0804181545i17112d36w221a638a1f35138f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804201311.02375.dh@iucr.org>
	<b8b7bbcc0804200529u623e7614mbbe894541d9284c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200804201405.39581.dh@iucr.org>

On Sunday 20 April 2008, Stuart Burns wrote:
> I could bring some kettles ;)

and a blast screen to hide behind :)

 Dave.



>
> On 20/04/2008, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
> > On Friday 18 April 2008, Les Pritchard wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I've had a response re. room hire and the good news is they will give
> > > us
> >
> > a
> >
> > > room at a discounted rate.  The rooms start from £14 and are big enough
> >
> > for
> >
> > > what we need, so that's really good news I think.
> > >
> > > The only downside is there is no net access there.  They did tell me
> >
> > that
> >
> > > they gained access to a near by 'free' wireless network in the past
> > > that
> >
> > we
> >
> > > may be able to use!  I'm going to take a trip over there to see if the
> >
> > AP
> >
> > > really is free....or just the property of someone who doesn't realise!
> > >
> > > The room rate is excellent for us, but if we could find somewhere with
> >
> > net
> >
> > > access that would be even better.
> > >
> > > I'll keep you updated.  (Any other venues you find, please let me know)
> > >
> > > Les
> >
> > Sounds good, have they got tee/coffee making facilities?
> >
> >   Dave.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr. David Holden.
> >
> > See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
> > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester



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From rcgibson at talktalk.net  Sun Apr 20 14:12:29 2008
From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 14:12:29 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Room Hire
In-Reply-To: <200804201405.39581.dh@iucr.org>
References: <a801c01e0804181545i17112d36w221a638a1f35138f@mail.gmail.com>	<200804201311.02375.dh@iucr.org>	<b8b7bbcc0804200529u623e7614mbbe894541d9284c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804201405.39581.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <480B4F48.2060001@talktalk.net>



David Holden said the following on 20/04/2008 14:05:
> On Sunday 20 April 2008, Stuart Burns wrote:
>   
>> I could bring some kettles ;)
>>     
>
> and a blast screen to hide behind :)
>
>  Dave.
>   

I've got some sand bags  -  Roger

P.S.  New members must wonder what on earth goes on - do come and fins out!
>
>
>   
>> On 20/04/2008, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
>>     
>>> On Friday 18 April 2008, Les Pritchard wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've had a response re. room hire and the good news is they will give
>>>> us
>>>>         
>>> a
>>>
>>>       
>>>> room at a discounted rate.  The rooms start from £14 and are big enough
>>>>         
>>> for
>>>
>>>       
>>>> what we need, so that's really good news I think.
>>>>
>>>> The only downside is there is no net access there.  They did tell me
>>>>         
>>> that
>>>
>>>       
>>>> they gained access to a near by 'free' wireless network in the past
>>>> that
>>>>         
>>> we
>>>
>>>       
>>>> may be able to use!  I'm going to take a trip over there to see if the
>>>>         
>>> AP
>>>
>>>       
>>>> really is free....or just the property of someone who doesn't realise!
>>>>
>>>> The room rate is excellent for us, but if we could find somewhere with
>>>>         
>>> net
>>>
>>>       
>>>> access that would be even better.
>>>>
>>>> I'll keep you updated.  (Any other venues you find, please let me know)
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>         
>>> Sounds good, have they got tee/coffee making facilities?
>>>
>>>   Dave.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dr. David Holden.
>>>
>>> See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
>>> regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chester mailing list
>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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>
>
>
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 18:40:53 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:40:53 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Room Hire
In-Reply-To: <480B4F48.2060001@talktalk.net>
References: <a801c01e0804181545i17112d36w221a638a1f35138f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804201311.02375.dh@iucr.org>
	<b8b7bbcc0804200529u623e7614mbbe894541d9284c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804201405.39581.dh@iucr.org> <480B4F48.2060001@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804201140s17f88a5cs681438e4aa249962@mail.gmail.com>

LOL!  Yes we may need to sign some insurance forms before bringing them
along!

There is a kitchen there, so we will have access the the all important
coffee!

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Roger Gibson <rcgibson at talktalk.net> wrote:

>
>
> David Holden said the following on 20/04/2008 14:05:
>
> On Sunday 20 April 2008, Stuart Burns wrote:
>
>
>  I could bring some kettles ;)
>
>
>  and a blast screen to hide behind :)
>
>  Dave.
>
>
>
> I've got some sand bags  -  Roger
>
> P.S.  New members must wonder what on earth goes on - do come and fins
> out!
>
>    On 20/04/2008, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
>
>
>  On Friday 18 April 2008, Les Pritchard wrote:
>
>
>  Hi all,
>
> I've had a response re. room hire and the good news is they will give
> us
>
>
>  a
>
>
>
>  room at a discounted rate.  The rooms start from £14 and are big enough
>
>
>  for
>
>
>
>  what we need, so that's really good news I think.
>
> The only downside is there is no net access there.  They did tell me
>
>
>  that
>
>
>
>  they gained access to a near by 'free' wireless network in the past
> that
>
>
>  we
>
>
>
>  may be able to use!  I'm going to take a trip over there to see if the
>
>
>  AP
>
>
>
>  really is free....or just the property of someone who doesn't realise!
>
> The room rate is excellent for us, but if we could find somewhere with
>
>
>  net
>
>
>
>  access that would be even better.
>
> I'll keep you updated.  (Any other venues you find, please let me know)
>
> Les
>
>
>  Sounds good, have they got tee/coffee making facilities?
>
>   Dave.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. David Holden.
>
> See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html> <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
> regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 19:53:30 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:53:30 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Room Hire
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804201140s17f88a5cs681438e4aa249962@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a801c01e0804181545i17112d36w221a638a1f35138f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804201311.02375.dh@iucr.org>
	<b8b7bbcc0804200529u623e7614mbbe894541d9284c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<200804201405.39581.dh@iucr.org> <480B4F48.2060001@talktalk.net>
	<a801c01e0804201140s17f88a5cs681438e4aa249962@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0804201253s21bf61bdld80fd801a64a529b@mail.gmail.com>

On a serious note, I'm sure they have a big water boiler thing, you know
what I mean.

On 20/04/2008, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> LOL!  Yes we may need to sign some insurance forms before bringing them
> along!
>
> There is a kitchen there, so we will have access the the all important
> coffee!
>
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Roger Gibson <rcgibson at talktalk.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > David Holden said the following on 20/04/2008 14:05:
> >
> > On Sunday 20 April 2008, Stuart Burns wrote:
> >
> >  I could bring some kettles ;)
> >
> >  and a blast screen to hide behind :)
> >
> >  Dave.
> >
> >
> > I've got some sand bags  -  Roger
> >
> > P.S.  New members must wonder what on earth goes on - do come and fins
> > out!
> >
> >    On 20/04/2008, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
> >
> >  On Friday 18 April 2008, Les Pritchard wrote:
> >
> >  Hi all,
> >
> > I've had a response re. room hire and the good news is they will give
> > us
> >
> >  a
> >
> >        room at a discounted rate.  The rooms start from £14 and are big enough
> >
> >  for
> >
> >        what we need, so that's really good news I think.
> >
> > The only downside is there is no net access there.  They did tell me
> >
> >  that
> >
> >        they gained access to a near by 'free' wireless network in the past
> > that
> >
> >  we
> >
> >        may be able to use!  I'm going to take a trip over there to see if the
> >
> >  AP
> >
> >        really is free....or just the property of someone who doesn't realise!
> >
> > The room rate is excellent for us, but if we could find somewhere with
> >
> >  net
> >
> >        access that would be even better.
> >
> > I'll keep you updated.  (Any other venues you find, please let me know)
> >
> > Les
> >
> >  Sounds good, have they got tee/coffee making facilities?
> >
> >   Dave.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr. David Holden.
> >
> > See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html> <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
> > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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From dh at iucr.org  Mon Apr 21 11:28:31 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:28:31 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Open Health Tools.
Message-ID: <200804211228.10922.dh@iucr.org>

This looks interesting,


http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/open-source/open-source-business/news/index.cfm?newsid=8620

http://www.openhealthtools.org/index.htm


Dave.


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From dh at iucr.org  Mon Apr 21 12:46:25 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:46:25 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] ubuntu on BBC news front page.
Message-ID: <200804211346.16027.dh@iucr.org>


Hello,

ubuntu on BBC news front page.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7358483.stm

Dave.




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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 12:30:11 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:30:11 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Backups on a huge scale. HELP!
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0804220530r6ec3b09cgdb464dbaa329f491@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I'm just going to put this question out there and see what comes back.

We currently use a proprietry backup solution that is costing us several
thousand a MONTH to keep only 5 days worth of information. The total data
store is approximatly 2 - 3.5 TB of data. Now the marketing droids at
another company that shall remain nameless is trying to sell us all manor of
crap, from vtl systems that start at 60K (I kid you not) to multi hundred
thousand pound solutions.

In essence we want to achieve 5 things.

Consistant and good local backup of data
Replication of data off site to our off site site server
Backup laptops over DSL connections into the system.
Quick and straightforward use esp regards restores.
Reliability

This is a clean sheet exercise. With a large 5 figure budget to make it
work. Does anyone a) have any ideas b) know a firm that can do this type of
system without pushy sales droids but with an SLA. Our boxes are Windows
servers (20 -25) Redhat  server (1) Opensuse server (2) Netware Boxes (2)
AS/400 iSeries.

Any advice welcome.

Stu
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From simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk  Tue Apr 22 12:31:21 2008
From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk (Simon Willett)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:31:21 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Thursday
Message-ID: <001f01c8a474$cfc7d280$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>

Is the Thursday meeting still on? 

 

 

 

 

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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 12:47:24 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:47:24 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <001f01c8a474$cfc7d280$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
References: <001f01c8a474$cfc7d280$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804220547l150d9792qe7735735883c7529@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Simon,

Yes it's still on, I should be there just after 7pm.

See you Thursday

Les

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Simon Willett <simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk>
wrote:

>  Is the Thursday meeting still on?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dh at iucr.org  Tue Apr 22 13:12:05 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:12:05 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Backups on a huge scale. HELP!
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0804220530r6ec3b09cgdb464dbaa329f491@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0804220530r6ec3b09cgdb464dbaa329f491@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200804221411.54304.dh@iucr.org>

On Tuesday 22 April 2008, Stuart Burns wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm just going to put this question out there and see what comes back.
>
> We currently use a proprietry backup solution that is costing us several
> thousand a MONTH to keep only 5 days worth of information. The total data
> store is approximatly 2 - 3.5 TB of data. Now the marketing droids at
> another company that shall remain nameless is trying to sell us all manor
> of crap, from vtl systems that start at 60K (I kid you not) to multi
> hundred thousand pound solutions.
>
> In essence we want to achieve 5 things.
>
> Consistant and good local backup of data
> Replication of data off site to our off site site server
> Backup laptops over DSL connections into the system.
> Quick and straightforward use esp regards restores.
> Reliability
>
> This is a clean sheet exercise. With a large 5 figure budget to make it
> work. Does anyone a) have any ideas b) know a firm that can do this type of
> system without pushy sales droids but with an SLA. Our boxes are Windows
> servers (20 -25) Redhat  server (1) Opensuse server (2) Netware Boxes (2)
> AS/400 iSeries.
>
> Any advice welcome.
>
> Stu


We backup > 1.5 T daily using rsync to one NAS server, and backula to another 
NAS server (each was probably about 4 grand). These are then backed up to LTO 
3 tape system which has a 6T capacity 
(https://secure.dnuk.com/systems/backup/16x1-lto3-2u.php  ~ 3500 pounds)


bacula is a pretty sophisticated for a free system.


For a commercial system http://www.arkeia.com/ may be worth a look.


There are also some commercial online backup systems that look good the 
advantage of these is that they really do go to great length to secure 
multiple copies.

 Dave.


  


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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Tue Apr 22 16:17:20 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (M. Crilly (movedx))
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:17:20 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804220547l150d9792qe7735735883c7529@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001f01c8a474$cfc7d280$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
	<a801c01e0804220547l150d9792qe7735735883c7529@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <480E0F8B.7080800@gmail.com>

Where do you suggest I park? When I visited the king's head to check the 
area out, all the parking areas where pay and display. Suggestions?

Les Pritchard wrote:
> Hi Simon,
>
> Yes it's still on, I should be there just after 7pm.
>
> See you Thursday
>
> Les
>
> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Simon Willett 
> <simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk <mailto:simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Is the Thursday meeting still on?
>
>      
>
>      
>
>      
>
>      
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Chester mailing list
>     Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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From rcgibson at talktalk.net  Tue Apr 22 17:32:01 2008
From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:32:01 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <480E0F8B.7080800@gmail.com>
References: <001f01c8a474$cfc7d280$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>	<a801c01e0804220547l150d9792qe7735735883c7529@mail.gmail.com>
	<480E0F8B.7080800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <480E210F.5040301@talktalk.net>

Make sure you find the correct Olde Kings Head in Bridge Street (I think 
there are other Kings Heads around).  I can always park out side in the 
road, but if stuck go up Castle Street alongside the pub, and when you 
get to the roundabout, turn left, and then immediately left through a 
'Triumphal Arch'.  Inside is a massive car park for County Hall, the 
Cheshire County Council offices, free after about 5.30, and only a 100m 
or so walk back to the pub.  That's nearer than any pay and displays 
that I know of (unless that has changed to pay and display in the last 
month).  Roger.

M. Crilly (movedx) said the following on 22/04/2008 17:17:
> Where do you suggest I park? When I visited the king's head to check 
> the area out, all the parking areas where pay and display. Suggestions?
>
> Les Pritchard wrote:
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> Yes it's still on, I should be there just after 7pm.
>>
>> See you Thursday
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Simon Willett 
>> <simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk <mailto:simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     Is the Thursday meeting still on?
>>
>>     
>>     
>>     
>>     
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Chester mailing list
>>     Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>>     https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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>
>
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From rcgibson at talktalk.net  Tue Apr 22 17:34:30 2008
From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:34:30 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <480E210F.5040301@talktalk.net>
References: <001f01c8a474$cfc7d280$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>	<a801c01e0804220547l150d9792qe7735735883c7529@mail.gmail.com>	<480E0F8B.7080800@gmail.com>
	<480E210F.5040301@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <480E21A3.9050100@talktalk.net>

Wonder of wonders.  I've eluded the thought police without having to 
wake up Les.

Roger Gibson said the following on 22/04/2008 18:31:
> Make sure you find the correct Olde Kings Head in Bridge Street (I 
> think there are other Kings Heads around).  I can always park out side 
> in the road, but if stuck go up Castle Street alongside the pub, and 
> when you get to the roundabout, turn left, and then immediately left 
> through a 'Triumphal Arch'.  Inside is a massive car park for County 
> Hall, the Cheshire County Council offices, free after about 5.30, and 
> only a 100m or so walk back to the pub.  That's nearer than any pay 
> and displays that I know of (unless that has changed to pay and 
> display in the last month).  Roger.
>
> M. Crilly (movedx) said the following on 22/04/2008 17:17:
>> Where do you suggest I park? When I visited the king's head to check 
>> the area out, all the parking areas where pay and display. Suggestions?
>>
>> Les Pritchard wrote:
>>> Hi Simon,
>>>
>>> Yes it's still on, I should be there just after 7pm.
>>>
>>> See you Thursday
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Simon Willett 
>>> <simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk <mailto:simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Is the Thursday meeting still on?
>>>
>>>                
>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>     Chester mailing list
>>>     Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>>>     https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chester mailing list
>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>>   
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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From simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk  Tue Apr 22 12:49:28 2008
From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk (Simon Willett)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:49:28 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804220547l150d9792qe7735735883c7529@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001f01c8a474$cfc7d280$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
	<a801c01e0804220547l150d9792qe7735735883c7529@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901c8a477$580e3a10$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>

Yes will see you there. 

 

  _____  

From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Les Pritchard
Sent: 22 April 2008 13:47
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Thursday

 

Hi Simon,

Yes it's still on, I should be there just after 7pm.

See you Thursday

Les

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Simon Willett <simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk>
wrote:

Is the Thursday meeting still on? 

 

 

 

 


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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 20:08:06 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:08:06 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <480E21A3.9050100@talktalk.net>
References: <001f01c8a474$cfc7d280$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
	<a801c01e0804220547l150d9792qe7735735883c7529@mail.gmail.com>
	<480E0F8B.7080800@gmail.com> <480E210F.5040301@talktalk.net>
	<480E21A3.9050100@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804221308y567bb252g494003b3d325175c@mail.gmail.com>

Blimey!!  This is a first Roger!  Let's hope it continues to like your
emails!

On 4/22/08, Roger Gibson <rcgibson at talktalk.net> wrote:
>
> Wonder of wonders.  I've eluded the thought police without having to wake
> up Les.
>
> Roger Gibson said the following on 22/04/2008 18:31:
>
> > Make sure you find the correct Olde Kings Head in Bridge Street (I think
> > there are other Kings Heads around).  I can always park out side in the
> > road, but if stuck go up Castle Street alongside the pub, and when you get
> > to the roundabout, turn left, and then immediately left through a 'Triumphal
> > Arch'.  Inside is a massive car park for County Hall, the Cheshire County
> > Council offices, free after about 5.30, and only a 100m or so walk back to
> > the pub.  That's nearer than any pay and displays that I know of (unless
> > that has changed to pay and display in the last month).  Roger.
> >
> > M. Crilly (movedx) said the following on 22/04/2008 17:17:
> >
> > > Where do you suggest I park? When I visited the king's head to check
> > > the area out, all the parking areas where pay and display. Suggestions?
> > >
> > > Les Pritchard wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Simon,
> > > >
> > > > Yes it's still on, I should be there just after 7pm.
> > > >
> > > > See you Thursday
> > > >
> > > > Les
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:31 PM, Simon Willett <
> > > > simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk <mailto:simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >    Is the Thursday meeting still on?
> > > >
> > > >                  _______________________________________________
> > > >    Chester mailing list
> > > >    Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> > > >    https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 11:11:29 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:11:29 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder - LUG Meet tonight
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804240411p4956753buf08a5e64db33386d@mail.gmail.com>

I should be there just after 7pm.  The pub has been taken over by new
management so be warned; it might be a trendy wine bar :-)

If they're serving, I'll be grabbing some food there if anyone else wants to
join me.

See you later

Les
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 14:54:02 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:54:02 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Low powered Linux anyone?!
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804240754h638825c2y12a4d2efaf17e599@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.fit-pc.com/new/
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 15:17:12 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:17:12 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Low powered Linux anyone?!
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804240754h638825c2y12a4d2efaf17e599@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a801c01e0804240754h638825c2y12a4d2efaf17e599@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0804240817w6b8bcc61t8e70abc919ca1f32@mail.gmail.com>

I'd seriously consider buying one because I rock on the fact that being such
a geek (yes, yes I admit it) being able to VNC/ssh into the box is great. I
just feel guilty about wasting the power, global warming etc. Now if this
box could be used to do things like automated downloads, cron jobs, media
servers etc I think they are onto a super thing!

I think its gears/quake3 performance would be a touch limited though ;)

2008/4/24 Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com>:

> http://www.fit-pc.com/new/
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From simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk  Fri Apr 25 11:23:39 2008
From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk (Simon Willett)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:23:39 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Windows Bug 
Message-ID: <000f01c8a6c6$d9ac9200$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>

Details of the windows bug we spoke about yesterday. 

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/20/more_vista_copying_problems/

 

 

 

 

 

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From dh at iucr.org  Fri Apr 25 12:59:29 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:59:29 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] save energy while you search
Message-ID: <200804251359.19942.dh@iucr.org>


Hello,

save energy while you search

http://www.blackle.com/

Dave.


-- 
Dr. David Holden.

See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Fri Apr 25 22:38:21 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (M. Crilly)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:38:21 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
Message-ID: <48125D58.1020100@gmail.com>

Hi,

    So I decided to give Ubuntu a try (the latest release, of course) 
and yes, it's nice. I like the fact it uses FF3-beta, for one. However, 
I have a headache from trying to get DVD playback working. I've 
installed the restricted media repository, libdvdcss, mplayer, gxine, 
the lot... Totem can now play wmv's (that's my porn sorted), AVIs and 
even videos from YouTube using the YouTube plugin... but not DVDs.

Any help would be great. I've read a lot of guides on the 'net, to no avail.

- mc



From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Fri Apr 25 22:46:24 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:46:24 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
In-Reply-To: <48125D58.1020100@gmail.com>
References: <48125D58.1020100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W3626C4E366E851980DE0B2C5DD0@phx.gbl>


I have full dvd playback available in ubuntu hardy with totem.  I can't remember exactly how I did it.  I know i searched for codecs on the net and some fellow posted something about grabbing Gstreamer plugins from the restricted repositories.

All I can find is: Totem Movie Player 2.22.1 Using Gstreamer and gnome.  If you can tell me how I can look for the plugin I'm using, I'll post.

This probably doesn't help much, but hey ho!

> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:38:16 +0100
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
> 
> Hi,
> 
>     So I decided to give Ubuntu a try (the latest release, of course) 
> and yes, it's nice. I like the fact it uses FF3-beta, for one. However, 
> I have a headache from trying to get DVD playback working. I've 
> installed the restricted media repository, libdvdcss, mplayer, gxine, 
> the lot... Totem can now play wmv's (that's my porn sorted), AVIs and 
> even videos from YouTube using the YouTube plugin... but not DVDs.
> 
> Any help would be great. I've read a lot of guides on the 'net, to no avail.
> 
> - mc
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Sat Apr 26 00:31:25 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (M. Crilly)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:31:25 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W3626C4E366E851980DE0B2C5DD0@phx.gbl>
References: <48125D58.1020100@gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W3626C4E366E851980DE0B2C5DD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <481277D7.4090704@gmail.com>

Paul Williams wrote:
> I have full dvd playback available in ubuntu hardy with totem.  I 
> can't remember exactly how I did it.  I know i searched for codecs on 
> the net and some fellow posted something about grabbing Gstreamer 
> plugins from the restricted repositories.
>
> All I can find is: Totem Movie Player 2.22.1 Using Gstreamer and 
> gnome.  If you can tell me how I can look for the plugin I'm using, 
> I'll post.
>
> This probably doesn't help much, but hey ho!
>
> > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:38:16 +0100
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > Subject: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > So I decided to give Ubuntu a try (the latest release, of course)
> > and yes, it's nice. I like the fact it uses FF3-beta, for one. However,
> > I have a headache from trying to get DVD playback working. I've
> > installed the restricted media repository, libdvdcss, mplayer, gxine,
> > the lot... Totem can now play wmv's (that's my porn sorted), AVIs and
> > even videos from YouTube using the YouTube plugin... but not DVDs.
> >
> > Any help would be great. I've read a lot of guides on the 'net, to 
> no avail.
> >
> > - mc
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
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>   
Hi,

    Well thanks for the reply. I actually managed to get it working. I 
added the medibuntu repository and installed libdvdcss3 and VLC and 
mplayer were more than happy to play DVDs then. Although, the hue 
setting was completely out of whack. I had to set the hue to 360 in VLC 
and bring it down in mplayer by pressing and holding '5'.

- mc



From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Sat Apr 26 09:47:12 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:47:12 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
In-Reply-To: <481277D7.4090704@gmail.com>
References: <48125D58.1020100@gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W3626C4E366E851980DE0B2C5DD0@phx.gbl>
	<481277D7.4090704@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W265A7D195BCAC9BF0A3EA5C5DC0@phx.gbl>


Glad to hear its working.  I've checked, I can play dvds with totem (still haven't got the hang of VLC!), but no menus.  Any ideas?

> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:31:19 +0100
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> 
> Paul Williams wrote:
> > I have full dvd playback available in ubuntu hardy with totem.  I 
> > can't remember exactly how I did it.  I know i searched for codecs on 
> > the net and some fellow posted something about grabbing Gstreamer 
> > plugins from the restricted repositories.
> >
> > All I can find is: Totem Movie Player 2.22.1 Using Gstreamer and 
> > gnome.  If you can tell me how I can look for the plugin I'm using, 
> > I'll post.
> >
> > This probably doesn't help much, but hey ho!
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:38:16 +0100
> > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > > Subject: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > So I decided to give Ubuntu a try (the latest release, of course)
> > > and yes, it's nice. I like the fact it uses FF3-beta, for one. However,
> > > I have a headache from trying to get DVD playback working. I've
> > > installed the restricted media repository, libdvdcss, mplayer, gxine,
> > > the lot... Totem can now play wmv's (that's my porn sorted), AVIs and
> > > even videos from YouTube using the YouTube plugin... but not DVDs.
> > >
> > > Any help would be great. I've read a lot of guides on the 'net, to 
> > no avail.
> > >
> > > - mc
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chester mailing list
> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now! 
> > <http://skydrive.live.com/>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >   
> Hi,
> 
>     Well thanks for the reply. I actually managed to get it working. I 
> added the medibuntu repository and installed libdvdcss3 and VLC and 
> mplayer were more than happy to play DVDs then. Although, the hue 
> setting was completely out of whack. I had to set the hue to 360 in VLC 
> and bring it down in mplayer by pressing and holding '5'.
> 
> - mc
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Sat Apr 26 18:52:11 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 18:52:11 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W265A7D195BCAC9BF0A3EA5C5DC0@phx.gbl>
References: <48125D58.1020100@gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W3626C4E366E851980DE0B2C5DD0@phx.gbl>
	<481277D7.4090704@gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W265A7D195BCAC9BF0A3EA5C5DC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0804261152q1f83bb82x9865b7ea00b8603b@mail.gmail.com>

You may need to install the dvdnav library that enables DVD players to play
DVD's with a menu.

On 4/26/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Glad to hear its working.  I've checked, I can play dvds with totem (still
> haven't got the hang of VLC!), but no menus.  Any ideas?
>
> > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:31:19 +0100
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
> > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> >
> > Paul Williams wrote:
> > > I have full dvd playback available in ubuntu hardy with totem. I
> > > can't remember exactly how I did it. I know i searched for codecs on
> > > the net and some fellow posted something about grabbing Gstreamer
> > > plugins from the restricted repositories.
> > >
> > > All I can find is: Totem Movie Player 2.22.1 Using Gstreamer and
> > > gnome. If you can tell me how I can look for the plugin I'm using,
> > > I'll post.
> > >
> > > This probably doesn't help much, but hey ho!
> > >
> > > > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:38:16 +0100
> > > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > > > Subject: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > So I decided to give Ubuntu a try (the latest release, of course)
> > > > and yes, it's nice. I like the fact it uses FF3-beta, for one.
> However,
> > > > I have a headache from trying to get DVD playback working. I've
> > > > installed the restricted media repository, libdvdcss, mplayer, gxine,
> > > > the lot... Totem can now play wmv's (that's my porn sorted), AVIs and
> > > > even videos from YouTube using the YouTube plugin... but not DVDs.
> > > >
> > > > Any help would be great. I've read a lot of guides on the 'net, to
> > > no avail.
> > > >
> > > > - mc
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > >
> > >
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> > Hi,
> >
> > Well thanks for the reply. I actually managed to get it working. I
> > added the medibuntu repository and installed libdvdcss3 and VLC and
> > mplayer were more than happy to play DVDs then. Although, the hue
> > setting was completely out of whack. I had to set the hue to 360 in VLC
> > and bring it down in mplayer by pressing and holding '5'.
> >
> > - mc
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Apr 27 07:47:55 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 07:47:55 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] eeepc ubuntu upgrade
Message-ID: <BAY110-W47303A5EA99B5974055175C5DF0@phx.gbl>


As we discussed at the meet, I was trying to change my 2G surf eeepc to Ubuntu.  Here's the update:

Install to SDHC, deleting partitions on SSD
Install Hardy Desktop = failed - process halted
 Install to Gutsy Desktop = failed - process halted
Install to Feisty Alternate = failed - Ethernet and Wifi disabled.  Unable to reinitialise them
Install to Hardy Alternate = failed - Refused to move beyond login screen
Install to Gutsy Alternate = successful (so far) - Ethernet working and updates in progress.

Upgrade to Hardy?  Word on the web is not recommended for the eeepc at this time.  Several key drivers disabled.

Hope this helps those of you who are Ubuntu fans and those who expressed an interrest in my eeepc last thursday.

Cheers

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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Sun Apr 27 14:41:55 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:41:55 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] eeepc ubuntu upgrade
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W47303A5EA99B5974055175C5DF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W47303A5EA99B5974055175C5DF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804270741m574180e2lb936d0ad10f9f79d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the tips Paul.  I noticed that PC World are doing the basic model
at £199 again, a bargain for someone who wants a portable, robust laptop.

Les

On 4/27/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>  As we discussed at the meet, I was trying to change my 2G surf eeepc to
> Ubuntu.  Here's the update:
>
> Install to SDHC, deleting partitions on SSD
> Install Hardy Desktop = failed - process halted
> Install to Gutsy Desktop = failed - process halted
> Install to Feisty Alternate = failed - Ethernet and Wifi disabled.  Unable
> to reinitialise them
> Install to Hardy Alternate = failed - Refused to move beyond login screen
> Install to Gutsy Alternate = successful (so far) - Ethernet working and
> updates in progress.
>
> Upgrade to Hardy?  Word on the web is not recommended for the eeepc at this
> time.  Several key drivers disabled.
>
> Hope this helps those of you who are Ubuntu fans and those who expressed an
> interrest in my eeepc last thursday.
>
> Cheers
>
> Paul
>
>
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Sun Apr 27 14:48:36 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 14:48:36 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] eeepc ubuntu upgrade
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0804270741m574180e2lb936d0ad10f9f79d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W47303A5EA99B5974055175C5DF0@phx.gbl>
	<a801c01e0804270741m574180e2lb936d0ad10f9f79d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4814923A.5060502@gmail.com>

Les Pritchard wrote:
> Thanks for the tips Paul.  I noticed that PC World are doing the basic 
> model at £199 again, a bargain for someone who wants a portable, 
> robust laptop.
>
> Les
>
> On 4/27/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk 
> <mailto:wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     As we discussed at the meet, I was trying to change my 2G surf
>     eeepc to Ubuntu.  Here's the update:
>
>     Install to SDHC, deleting partitions on SSD
>     Install Hardy Desktop = failed - process halted
>     Install to Gutsy Desktop = failed - process halted
>     Install to Feisty Alternate = failed - Ethernet and Wifi
>     disabled.  Unable to reinitialise them
>     Install to Hardy Alternate = failed - Refused to move beyond login
>     screen
>     Install to Gutsy Alternate = successful (so far) - Ethernet
>     working and updates in progress.
>
>     Upgrade to Hardy?  Word on the web is not recommended for the
>     eeepc at this time.  Several key drivers disabled.
>
>     Hope this helps those of you who are Ubuntu fans and those who
>     expressed an interrest in my eeepc last thursday.
>
>     Cheers
>
>     Paul
>
>
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They've just released the 9" screen one I think, or is that the one 
you're talking about, Les?



From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Apr 27 22:47:34 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:47:34 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] eeepc ubuntu upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4814923A.5060502@gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W47303A5EA99B5974055175C5DF0@phx.gbl>
	<a801c01e0804270741m574180e2lb936d0ad10f9f79d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4814923A.5060502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W2559CB7E37FBAE1D9B87E5C5DF0@phx.gbl>


Must be local to you, Les.  The only ones on pcworld website  are the 4g models at 250 inc vat and pcworld business has the same at 212 ex vat (so about the same price!).

There are several models in general release.  There's the 2G surf (my one).  I paid 200 for it, but I've seen it priced between 167 and 230 depending on where you look.

There's the 4G (as above), the 8G.  All these have a 7" screen.

There's the 12G XP and the 20G Xandros models coming out in May for about 320 - 350 each.  Both are said to have 9" screens.

BTW, I used a 4G Class 6 SDHC card for the ubuntu due to size restraints of the 2G.  The better models don't have this problem.

> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:48:26 +0100
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] eeepc ubuntu upgrade
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> 
> Les Pritchard wrote:
> > Thanks for the tips Paul.  I noticed that PC World are doing the basic 
> > model at £199 again, a bargain for someone who wants a portable, 
> > robust laptop.
> >
> > Les
> >
> > On 4/27/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk 
> > <mailto:wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
> >
> >     As we discussed at the meet, I was trying to change my 2G surf
> >     eeepc to Ubuntu.  Here's the update:
> >
> >     Install to SDHC, deleting partitions on SSD
> >     Install Hardy Desktop = failed - process halted
> >     Install to Gutsy Desktop = failed - process halted
> >     Install to Feisty Alternate = failed - Ethernet and Wifi
> >     disabled.  Unable to reinitialise them
> >     Install to Hardy Alternate = failed - Refused to move beyond login
> >     screen
> >     Install to Gutsy Alternate = successful (so far) - Ethernet
> >     working and updates in progress.
> >
> >     Upgrade to Hardy?  Word on the web is not recommended for the
> >     eeepc at this time.  Several key drivers disabled.
> >
> >     Hope this helps those of you who are Ubuntu fans and those who
> >     expressed an interrest in my eeepc last thursday.
> >
> >     Cheers
> >
> >     Paul
> >
> >
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> They've just released the 9" screen one I think, or is that the one 
> you're talking about, Les?
> 
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Apr 27 22:49:41 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:49:41 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0804261152q1f83bb82x9865b7ea00b8603b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <48125D58.1020100@gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W3626C4E366E851980DE0B2C5DD0@phx.gbl>
	<481277D7.4090704@gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W265A7D195BCAC9BF0A3EA5C5DC0@phx.gbl> 
	<f25cdb7e0804261152q1f83bb82x9865b7ea00b8603b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W383438B05056E0D457E22C5DF0@phx.gbl>


Cheers.  Grabbed the updates.  Gotta find me a DVD to test now...

Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:52:09 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback

You may need to install the dvdnav library that enables DVD players to play DVD's with a menu.


On 4/26/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

Glad to hear its working.  I've checked, I can play dvds with totem (still haven't got the hang of VLC!), but no menus.  Any ideas?

> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:31:19 +0100
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback 

> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> 
> Paul Williams wrote:

> > I have full dvd playback available in ubuntu hardy with totem. I 
> > can't remember exactly how I did it. I know i searched for codecs on 
> > the net and some fellow posted something about grabbing Gstreamer 

> > plugins from the restricted repositories.
> >
> > All I can find is: Totem Movie Player 2.22.1 Using Gstreamer and 
> > gnome. If you can tell me how I can look for the plugin I'm using, 

> > I'll post.
> >
> > This probably doesn't help much, but hey ho!
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:38:16 +0100
> > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

> > > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > > Subject: [Chester LUG] Ubuntu DVD playback
> > >

> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > So I decided to give Ubuntu a try (the latest release, of course)
> > > and yes, it's nice. I like the fact it uses FF3-beta, for one. However,
> > > I have a headache from trying to get DVD playback working. I've

> > > installed the restricted media repository, libdvdcss, mplayer, gxine,
> > > the lot... Totem can now play wmv's (that's my porn sorted), AVIs and
> > > even videos from YouTube using the YouTube plugin... but not DVDs.

> > >
> > > Any help would be great. I've read a lot of guides on the 'net, to 
> > no avail.
> > >
> > > - mc
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________

> > > Chester mailing list
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> Hi,

> 
> Well thanks for the reply. I actually managed to get it working. I 
> added the medibuntu repository and installed libdvdcss3 and VLC and 
> mplayer were more than happy to play DVDs then. Although, the hue 

> setting was completely out of whack. I had to set the hue to 360 in VLC 
> and bring it down in mplayer by pressing and holding '5'.
> 
> - mc
> 
> _______________________________________________

> Chester mailing list
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From fgaughan at gmail.com  Mon Apr 28 08:24:21 2008
From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:24:21 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] eeepc ubuntu upgrade
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W2559CB7E37FBAE1D9B87E5C5DF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W47303A5EA99B5974055175C5DF0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <b346f5340804280124g2655d90fhc8f3487617d8b441@mail.gmail.com>

I was at Scarborough Lug few weeks back and was impressed with the eeepc,
only thing I was put off with the small screen.
So I will be watching out for newer models see if its worth having...

But ordinary laptops are getting cheaper these days so we are facing
a differcult  choice :-)


Fintan



2008/4/27 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:
> Must be local to you, Les.  The only ones on pcworld website are the 4g
> models at 250 inc vat and pcworld business has the same at 212 ex vat (so
> about the same price!).
>
> There are several models in general release.  There's the 2G surf (my one).
> I paid 200 for it, but I've seen it priced between 167 and 230 depending on
> where you look.
>
> There's the 4G (as above), the 8G.  All these have a 7" screen.
>
> There's the 12G XP and the 20G Xandros models coming out in May for about
> 320 - 350 each.  Both are said to have 9" screens.
>
> BTW, I used a 4G Class 6 SDHC card for the ubuntu due to size restraints of
> the 2G.  The better models don't have this problem.
>
> > Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:48:26 +0100
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] eeepc ubuntu upgrade
> > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
>
>
> >
> > Les Pritchard wrote:
> > > Thanks for the tips Paul. I noticed that PC World are doing the basic
> > > model at £199 again, a bargain for someone who wants a portable,
> > > robust laptop.
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> > > On 4/27/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk
> > > <mailto:wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
> > >
> > > As we discussed at the meet, I was trying to change my 2G surf
> > > eeepc to Ubuntu. Here's the update:
> > >
> > > Install to SDHC, deleting partitions on SSD
> > > Install Hardy Desktop = failed - process halted
> > > Install to Gutsy Desktop = failed - process halted
> > > Install to Feisty Alternate = failed - Ethernet and Wifi
> > > disabled. Unable to reinitialise them
> > > Install to Hardy Alternate = failed - Refused to move beyond login
> > > screen
> > > Install to Gutsy Alternate = successful (so far) - Ethernet
> > > working and updates in progress.
> > >
> > > Upgrade to Hardy? Word on the web is not recommended for the
> > > eeepc at this time. Several key drivers disabled.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps those of you who are Ubuntu fans and those who
> > > expressed an interrest in my eeepc last thursday.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Get fish-slapping on Messenger Play Now!
> > > <http://www.fishticuffs.co.uk>
> > >
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> > They've just released the 9" screen one I think, or is that the one
> > you're talking about, Les?
> >
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Tue Apr 29 10:03:27 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:03:27 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Oh dear...!
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804290303g4e6d440ey887462c150889f57@mail.gmail.com>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080429/ap_on_hi_te/missing_mother;_ylt=AqTMFwXCaHFh9GTMvGUXrPqs0NUE

There's so many jokes that could be made about wondering if he'll be keeping
a journal of his experiences 'inside' that I wouldn't know where to start
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed Apr 30 16:14:27 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:14:27 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
Message-ID: <4818840B.2060001@gmail.com>

Greetings,

    Can any of you guys and gals(?) suggest either an individual scanner 
& printer to that will OK with Linux (Ubuntu Hardy) or an all-in-one 
combination device with the same support? I don't want to just go out 
and buy one for obvious reasons.

Cheers,

- MC



From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Wed Apr 30 16:20:29 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:20:29 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Stallman talk
Message-ID: <a801c01e0804300641v9d9cc97u53b53366d36622a4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Unfortunately I'm not sure if I'll be able to make it to this talk after all
:-(

I have a meeting in the afternoon and I'm not sure that I'll be able to make
it up to Manchester in time.  If I make it, see you there, otherwise let us
know how it goes!

Les
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed Apr 30 18:15:57 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:15:57 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
In-Reply-To: <4818840B.2060001@gmail.com>
References: <4818840B.2060001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W42C01D037FB77B9DE73823C5D80@phx.gbl>


I use ubuntu hardy and an epson dx8400.  Seems to work ok so far with printing.  not tried the scanner so far.  Can't say if it does anything fancy or not, but can print normal stuff like .doc files through OOo.

Hope that's a help.

> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:36:59 +0100
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
> 
> Greetings,
> 
>     Can any of you guys and gals(?) suggest either an individual scanner 
> & printer to that will OK with Linux (Ubuntu Hardy) or an all-in-one 
> combination device with the same support? I don't want to just go out 
> and buy one for obvious reasons.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - MC
> 
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