From dh at iucr.org Sun Jun 1 12:45:03 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:45:03 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981@Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin] [Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket Shareholders at BT PLC AGM] In-Reply-To: References: <20080530223309.GA4039@popey.com> Message-ID: <200806011345.52336.dh@iucr.org> On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > I have strange feelings towards this Phorm thing. I don't mind being > "spied" on, if you can call it that, because I have nothing to hide; just > as I don't mind CCTV, biometric ID cards, DNA tests and databases - I don't > break the law and I don't have a criminal record it is therefore only in > place to assist me, not hinder me. There are two obvious problems with the "nothing to hide" argument. Firstly if you have nothing to hide ask yourself the question "why do I close my curtains in the evening?", presumably you aren't doing anything illegal in the evening. Secondly it assumes that these methods of surveillance function without error. You may not mind having your biometrics on a national database however if that database through error of function, design or both matches your record against particular criminal activity, disruption to you life will be more than minimal. Given that government IT projects currently have a 70 percent(!!!) failure rate the second of these problems is not unlikely. Combine this with legislation that will allow you to be held without charge for 28 (42) days and mass surveillance seems to be a little less benign. Also beware arguments along the lines that powers introduced to allow pervasive surveillance will only be used in serious cases recently Poole council used the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) to draw up a list of a mother's movements showing the times and exact routes of school runs with her children. These included detailed notes such as "female and three children enter target vehicle and drive off" and "curtains open and all lights on in premises". The mother said her daughter was having trouble sleeping because she feared "a man outside watching us". You may ask why were they using an act designed for serious crime or terrorism, the family had recently sold their house but were still living in it to qualify for the local school.. Dave. > > However, the thing that does boil my blood about Phorm is purely the fact > they're breaking the law. I hate, with a passion, big companies thinking > they can just do as they please and are above the law - i.e. MS. > > That's my two-cents on the matter :P > -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From lug at getiton.myzen.co.uk Sun Jun 1 12:50:17 2008 From: lug at getiton.myzen.co.uk (Rob Malpass) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:50:17 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive References: Message-ID: <00de01c8c3e6$0ab975c0$0b00a8c0@marsh> ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Williams To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive Hi again. I have hooked up a PC to my broadband connection via a wired connection. It is attached to the same router as my PC downstairs. Both systems use Ubuntu 8.04. The one downstairs has an external hd connected via USB. Can I share it so it can be easily be accessed upstairs? If so, how? Ta Paul Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your Mobile! _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester There are (I think) another couple of ways of doing this: 1) Mount your USB HD however suits you mount -t smbfs //drivenameid /wherever [I assume smbfs if the drive has ever been near a Windows box] Then you can either make it available via smb.conf - or (far easier) you can sftp to the box the drive's mounted on and get at it from there. 2) There's quite a "nifty" device called a SLUG. I bought a Netgear NSLU2 at Christmas for about £50. Essentially it's a network device that has a couple of usb ports. You plug the drive into the SLUG, plug the SLUG into your router, setup your shares through its web interface and hey presto - you have a NAS drive that you can leave on so you don't need to boot up the PC with the attached HD to get at it. I use this as my backup server because I know I can just attach bigger and bigger drives to it - so it's marginally preferable to a NAS device which is of fixed size. One thing to bear in mind though - the SLUG I bought was a bit naff until I flashed the firmware. Even now, it's still a little slow to respond - but it sounds like it would fit the bill. Cheers Rob From dh at iucr.org Sun Jun 1 13:13:07 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:13:07 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200806011413.58852.dh@iucr.org> On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > Webmin is nice, just like CPanel is nice but not to sound anti-webmin - > what do you learn from using it? It does everything for you :) You can learn a lot from webmin, use it and look at what it does to the underlying conf files, also some modules come with extensive help. Dave. > > It certainly will do the job though. > > On 5/31/08, Les Pritchard wrote: > > I think this was mentioned for another question recently, but again > > webmin is your friend! If you use that youu can easily set up NFS > > shares that could be mounted on the other box. Webmin also supports > > all the other main protocols so it would be good for which ever one > > you go for. > > > > Les > > > > On 5/31/08, Paul Williams wrote: > > > Sounds like a job for.... da dum dah!!! Network Man! > > > > > > Seriously though, sounds both easy and tricky at the same time. > > > Firstly, > > > > I > > > > > understood every word you said! But I have no Idea how to do it! > > > > > > Anyone? > > > > > > Ta > > > > > > Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:17:18 +0100 > > > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk > > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive > > > > > > Sounds like a job for a NAS setup - Network Attached Storage. You'd > > > have > > > > to > > > > > configure a NAS deamon on the machine the USB drive is plugged into and > > > > then > > > > > have that NAS mount/offer the USB drive as a networkable mount point - > > > or something to this effect. I've never done it my self but I have read > > > it > > > > is > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/31/08, Paul Williams wrote: > > > > > > Hi again. I have hooked up a PC to my broadband connection via a wired > > > connection. It is attached to the same router as my PC downstairs. > > > Both systems use Ubuntu 8.04. The one downstairs has an external hd > > > connected via USB. Can I share it so it can be easily be accessed > > > upstairs? If > > > > so, > > > > > how? > > > > > > > > > Ta > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your > > > Mobile! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chester mailing list > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > M. T. Crilly > > > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Sun Jun 1 14:56:19 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:56:19 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981@Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin] [Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket Shareholders at BT PLC AGM] In-Reply-To: <200806011345.52336.dh@iucr.org> References: <20080530223309.GA4039@popey.com> <200806011345.52336.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: I don't close my blinds/curtains - again it boils down to personal preference. If someone comes onto my property to look through my windows... well, my father is ex-special forces and a very large man - I'll say no more. The biometric information isn't absolute, though. They can't say, "OK well, your biometric ID matches a crime committed in London" - I've never been London... ever. The crime would need to be commitment in my area, whilst I'm present, not to mention the other facts of the case. Biometric/DNA evidence isn't absolute, it's merely accepted in court. I can be held without charge for 28-42 days without charge - but only under the terrorism act; and act of, or involvement in, terrorism has to be proven. No disrespect, but both you and Paul have gone to extremes to prove an already perfectly valid point that I understand and accept - Phorm invades your privacy. I do value my privacy and there are lines I don't want companies crossing - this isn't one of them as it's what I expect from greedy, money-grabbing companies that care not for your well being. Why did the council watch that mother? I father does that very job - he's a P.I. now - I can assure you the council obtain permission from a Judge, which isn't easy. There must have been a reason for it? :) On 6/1/08, David Holden wrote: > > On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > > I have strange feelings towards this Phorm thing. I don't mind being > > "spied" on, if you can call it that, because I have nothing to hide; just > > as I don't mind CCTV, biometric ID cards, DNA tests and databases - I > don't > > break the law and I don't have a criminal record it is therefore only in > > place to assist me, not hinder me. > > There are two obvious problems with the "nothing to hide" argument. > > Firstly if you have nothing to hide ask yourself the question "why do I > close > my curtains in the evening?", presumably you aren't doing anything illegal > in > the evening. > > Secondly it assumes that these methods of surveillance function without > error. > You may not mind having your biometrics on a national database however if > that database through error of function, design or both matches your record > against particular criminal activity, disruption to you life will be more > than minimal. > > Given that government IT projects currently have a 70 percent(!!!) failure > rate the second of these problems is not unlikely. > > Combine this with legislation that will allow you to be held without charge > for 28 (42) days and mass surveillance seems to be a little less benign. > > > Also beware arguments along the lines that powers introduced to allow > pervasive surveillance will only be used in serious cases recently Poole > council used the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) to draw up a > list of a mother's movements showing the times and exact routes of school > runs with her children. These included detailed notes such as "female and > three children enter target vehicle and drive off" and "curtains open and > all > lights on in premises". The mother said her daughter was having trouble > sleeping because she feared "a man outside watching us". You may ask why > were > they using an act designed for serious crime or terrorism, the family had > recently sold their house but were still living in it to qualify for the > local school.. > > > > Dave. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the thing that does boil my blood about Phorm is purely the fact > > they're breaking the law. I hate, with a passion, big companies thinking > > they can just do as they please and are above the law - i.e. MS. > > > > That's my two-cents on the matter :P > > > > > > -- > Dr. David Holden. > > See: > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Sun Jun 1 15:01:48 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:01:48 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive In-Reply-To: <200806011413.58852.dh@iucr.org> References: <200806011413.58852.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: That is true, yes. On 6/1/08, David Holden wrote: > > On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > > Webmin is nice, just like CPanel is nice but not to sound anti-webmin - > > what do you learn from using it? It does everything for you :) > > You can learn a lot from webmin, use it and look at what it does to the > underlying conf files, also some modules come with extensive help. > > Dave. > > > > > > It certainly will do the job though. > > > > On 5/31/08, Les Pritchard wrote: > > > I think this was mentioned for another question recently, but again > > > webmin is your friend! If you use that youu can easily set up NFS > > > shares that could be mounted on the other box. Webmin also supports > > > all the other main protocols so it would be good for which ever one > > > you go for. > > > > > > Les > > > > > > On 5/31/08, Paul Williams wrote: > > > > Sounds like a job for.... da dum dah!!! Network Man! > > > > > > > > Seriously though, sounds both easy and tricky at the same time. > > > > Firstly, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > understood every word you said! But I have no Idea how to do it! > > > > > > > > Anyone? > > > > > > > > Ta > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:17:18 +0100 > > > > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk > > > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive > > > > > > > > Sounds like a job for a NAS setup - Network Attached Storage. You'd > > > > have > > > > > > to > > > > > > > configure a NAS deamon on the machine the USB drive is plugged into > and > > > > > > then > > > > > > > have that NAS mount/offer the USB drive as a networkable mount point > - > > > > or something to this effect. I've never done it my self but I have > read > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/31/08, Paul Williams wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi again. I have hooked up a PC to my broadband connection via a > wired > > > > connection. It is attached to the same router as my PC downstairs. > > > > Both systems use Ubuntu 8.04. The one downstairs has an external hd > > > > connected via USB. Can I share it so it can be easily be accessed > > > > upstairs? If > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > how? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ta > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your > > > > Mobile! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Chester mailing list > > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > M. T. Crilly > > > > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chester mailing list > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > -- > Dr. David Holden. > > See: > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Sun Jun 1 15:52:05 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:52:05 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981@Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin] [Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket Shareholders at BT PLC AGM] In-Reply-To: References: <20080530223309.GA4039@popey.com> <200806011345.52336.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: <200806011652.57500.dh@iucr.org> On Sunday 01 June 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > I don't close my blinds/curtains - again it boils down to personal > preference. If someone comes onto my property to look through my windows... > well, my father is ex-special forces and a very large man - I'll say no > more. The point here was that personal privacy is a fundamental human need, I suspect that even in your case there are boundaries of personal privacy beyond which despite you doing nothing illegal you would not want others to cross, also people should not have to resort to ex-special forces relatives to defend their personal privacy ;-) > > The biometric information isn't absolute, though. They can't say, "OK well, > your biometric ID matches a crime committed in London" - I've never been > London... ever. The crime would need to be commitment in my area, whilst > I'm present, not to mention the other facts of the case. Biometric/DNA > evidence isn't absolute, it's merely accepted in court. The point here of course isn't that you would not ultimately be able to prove your innocence but that through faulty surveillance information you may have to prove your innocence. One of the risks of mass surveillance is that because of failures of design and use combined with the possibility of massive trawling is that many people will be faced with the prospect of guilty until proven innocent rather than vica versa. One of the main coming issues here will be for low grade "crimes", e,g. the computer says you were illegally driving in the bus lane Friday morning, you have two alternative pay a 60 pounds fine or go to court and risk a 1000 pound fine, lots of folk with busy lives will just take the hit rather than risking a 1000 pound fine to prove that the systems is at fault. > > I can be held without charge for 28-42 days without charge - but only under > the terrorism act; and act of, or involvement in, terrorism has to be > proven. As I demonstrated by my example of the misuse of RIPA, laws brought in under the guise of serious crime often get use for much less serious crimes or (non crimes). I'm sure we all remember the disgraceful episode of 82 year old Walter Wolfgang being detained under the anti terrorism act after being ejected from the labour party conference for shouting "nonsense" during Jack Straw's speech. > No disrespect, but both you and Paul have gone to extremes to prove > an already perfectly valid point that I understand and accept - Phorm > invades your privacy. Sorry I wasn't trying to make a point regarding Phorm I don't know enough about this, I was just addressing your point about "nothing to hide" one which I hear a lot in the context of the ID cards debate but personally feel is flawed for the reasons I outlined. > > I do value my privacy and there are lines I don't want companies crossing - > this isn't one of them as it's what I expect from greedy, money-grabbing > companies that care not for your well being. > > Why did the council watch that mother? I father does that very job - he's a > P.I. now - I can assure you the council obtain permission from a Judge, > which isn't easy. There must have been a reason for it? :) Here's the Guardian on this particular story http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/apr/11/localgovernment.ukcrime Cheers, Dave. > > On 6/1/08, David Holden wrote: > > On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > > > I have strange feelings towards this Phorm thing. I don't mind being > > > "spied" on, if you can call it that, because I have nothing to hide; > > > just as I don't mind CCTV, biometric ID cards, DNA tests and databases > > > - I > > > > don't > > > > > break the law and I don't have a criminal record it is therefore only > > > in place to assist me, not hinder me. > > > > There are two obvious problems with the "nothing to hide" argument. > > > > Firstly if you have nothing to hide ask yourself the question "why do I > > close > > my curtains in the evening?", presumably you aren't doing anything > > illegal in > > the evening. > > > > Secondly it assumes that these methods of surveillance function without > > error. > > You may not mind having your biometrics on a national database however if > > that database through error of function, design or both matches your > > record against particular criminal activity, disruption to you life will > > be more than minimal. > > > > Given that government IT projects currently have a 70 percent(!!!) > > failure rate the second of these problems is not unlikely. > > > > Combine this with legislation that will allow you to be held without > > charge for 28 (42) days and mass surveillance seems to be a little less > > benign. > > > > > > Also beware arguments along the lines that powers introduced to allow > > pervasive surveillance will only be used in serious cases recently Poole > > council used the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) to draw up > > a list of a mother's movements showing the times and exact routes of > > school runs with her children. These included detailed notes such as > > "female and three children enter target vehicle and drive off" and > > "curtains open and all > > lights on in premises". The mother said her daughter was having trouble > > sleeping because she feared "a man outside watching us". You may ask why > > were > > they using an act designed for serious crime or terrorism, the family had > > recently sold their house but were still living in it to qualify for the > > local school.. > > > > > > > > Dave. > > > > > However, the thing that does boil my blood about Phorm is purely the > > > fact they're breaking the law. I hate, with a passion, big companies > > > thinking they can just do as they please and are above the law - i.e. > > > MS. > > > > > > That's my two-cents on the matter :P > > > > -- > > Dr. David Holden. > > > > See: > > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From rcgibson at talktalk.net Sun Jun 1 19:44:44 2008 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 19:44:44 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Privacy and liberty In-Reply-To: <200806011652.57500.dh@iucr.org> References: <20080530223309.GA4039@popey.com> <200806011345.52336.dh@iucr.org> <200806011652.57500.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: <4842FC23.4000508@talktalk.net> David makes some very valid points. Jean Charles de Menezes had no opportunity to prove he was innocent when faulty surveillance left him with 8 dum-dum bullets in his head on a tube train at Stockwell station. Nobody waited for a Judge to say it was OK to kill him. We must all have received emails 'for the wrong Roger Gibson'. There are frequent news items about mistaken identity at US immigration causing innocent people to be locked up or deported. Joe Public believes computers never lie. We know that faulty software and erroneous data sets abound. Much surveillance software will be Microsoft based. Data on paper locked up (or even not locked up) in filing cabinets is one thing. Poorly secured data bases used as part of a wide computer trawl will inevitably throw up mismatched data. When I know I am innocent, I don't want to have to undergo much trauma and expense to prove it. I would rather that the alleged case against me had been properly investigated, and was not based solely on dodgy data sets. Roger. From smedley358 at btinternet.com Mon Jun 2 10:20:43 2008 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:20:43 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] [Fwd: Software Freedom Day] Message-ID: <1212402274.3815.70.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall> -------- Forwarded Message -------- -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SFD-announce] Registration is open for Software Freedom Day 2008! Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:33:09 +1000 From: Pia Waugh Reply-To: info at sf-day.org To: SFD announce Hi everyone, SFD2008 is around the corner - Saturday 20 September - and team registrations are now open! The first 300 teams registered before the 15th July will receive a SFD team pack including SFD 2008 tshirts, button pins, stickers and balloons, as well some useful resource CDs including some OpenEducation Discs (http://www.theopendisc.com/education/), a resource DVD with artwork, documentation, presentation templates and video material, and the option for some Ubuntu CDs. Additional T-shirts will also be available to purchase via our online store, which will be open soon. You can register by visiting our registration page but don't forget that you need to make your team page (or update your old page) *before* registering. There is more information about how to form a team and how to register on the teams page on our wiki: http://cgi.softwarefreedomday.org/register.html http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams Check out who has already registered on our new interactive world map! http://cgi.softwarefreedomday.org/map.shtml We wanted to change how people find teams so it was directly through the map rather than by continent and then country due to your excellent feedback last year, so teams can simply be softwarefreedomday.org/team rather than a really long url. If you already have a team page you can create a new page and shift all your data to the new page, or you can just link to your old events from your new page. We will also be ensuring team packages are sent much earlier this year so you get them on time. We had about 20 packages returned to us last year from teams who put the incorrect address or didn't pick up their packages so please ensure your address is 100% correct as we can't check it! Also try to ensure your address on the map is the actual address of your event so people can zoom in and go to it easily :) Good luck with your SFD 2008 preparations, and don't forget to pass the message around and get more teams involved! We had over 330 teams last year and are anticipating over 500 this year! Thank you all for helping take software freedom to the streets and make a better world for everyone! After all, freedom isn't just for us geeks :) Cheers and happy planning! Pia and the SFI team -- OLPC Australia http://olpc.org.au/ Linux Australia http://linux.org.au/ Open Source Industry Australia http://osia.net.au/ Software Freedom Day http://softwarefreedomday.org/ "Man is born free, yet he is everywhere in chains." - Jean Jacques Rosseau From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Mon Jun 2 14:33:20 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:33:20 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981@Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin] [Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket Shareholders at BT PLC AGM] In-Reply-To: <200806011652.57500.dh@iucr.org> References: <20080530223309.GA4039@popey.com> <200806011345.52336.dh@iucr.org> <200806011652.57500.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: Hi David, Excellent points indeed and you've helped me understand your point better. I can see where you're coming from and sure, every human has a fundamental desire for privacy at some level in their lives. However, my entire "I have nothing to hide" argument really relates to Phorm. People don't like the idea of Phorm simply because it monitors what they do and they feel that will be used against them, i.e. prosecute them for illegally obtaining music. I understand systems can fail and computers can be wrong - a computer does what's told by a human and human error is a fact of life - but still the chances remain very low that this would even happen. I could be hit by a bus whilst walking to the shops tomorrow... should I not go to the shops or find an alternative route/form of transport? Perhaps others have been hit by your £60 fine analogy and just shrugged it off because their lives are too busy - I guess that is a serious flaw - but I ask you this: what can you do about it? Leave the country? Complain about it? When something like Phorm hits our lives it deeply affects a lot of people and as such it causes public outrage and very firm and stiff letters to be written to the relevant parties. My whole view on this is not what Phorm does, but the way it has gone about testing and implementing its self thus far -- illegally. On 6/1/08, David Holden wrote: > > On Sunday 01 June 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > > I don't close my blinds/curtains - again it boils down to personal > > preference. If someone comes onto my property to look through my > windows... > > well, my father is ex-special forces and a very large man - I'll say no > > more. > > > The point here was that personal privacy is a fundamental human need, I > suspect that even in your case there are boundaries of personal privacy > beyond which despite you doing nothing illegal you would not want others to > cross, also people should not have to resort to ex-special forces relatives > to defend their personal privacy ;-) > > > > > > The biometric information isn't absolute, though. They can't say, "OK > well, > > your biometric ID matches a crime committed in London" - I've never been > > London... ever. The crime would need to be commitment in my area, whilst > > I'm present, not to mention the other facts of the case. Biometric/DNA > > evidence isn't absolute, it's merely accepted in court. > > > The point here of course isn't that you would not ultimately be able to > prove > your innocence but that through faulty surveillance information you may > have > to prove your innocence. > > One of the risks of mass surveillance is that because of failures of design > and use combined with the possibility of massive trawling is that many > people > will be faced with the prospect of guilty until proven innocent rather than > vica versa. > > One of the main coming issues here will be for low grade "crimes", e,g. the > computer says you were illegally driving in the bus lane Friday morning, > you > have two alternative pay a 60 pounds fine or go to court and risk a 1000 > pound fine, lots of folk with busy lives will just take the hit rather than > risking a 1000 pound fine to prove that the systems is at fault. > > > > > > > I can be held without charge for 28-42 days without charge - but only > under > > the terrorism act; and act of, or involvement in, terrorism has to be > > proven. > > > > As I demonstrated by my example of the misuse of RIPA, laws brought in > under > the guise of serious crime often get use for much less serious crimes or > (non > crimes). I'm sure we all remember the disgraceful episode of 82 year old > Walter Wolfgang being detained under the anti terrorism act after being > ejected from the labour party conference for shouting "nonsense" during > Jack > Straw's speech. > > > > > No disrespect, but both you and Paul have gone to extremes to prove > > an already perfectly valid point that I understand and accept - Phorm > > invades your privacy. > > > Sorry I wasn't trying to make a point regarding Phorm I don't know enough > about this, I was just addressing your point about "nothing to hide" one > which I hear a lot in the context of the ID cards debate but personally > feel > is flawed for the reasons I outlined. > > > > > > I do value my privacy and there are lines I don't want companies crossing > - > > this isn't one of them as it's what I expect from greedy, money-grabbing > > companies that care not for your well being. > > > > Why did the council watch that mother? I father does that very job - he's > a > > P.I. now - I can assure you the council obtain permission from a Judge, > > which isn't easy. There must have been a reason for it? :) > > > Here's the Guardian on this particular story > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/apr/11/localgovernment.ukcrime > > Cheers, > > > Dave. > > > > > > > > > On 6/1/08, David Holden wrote: > > > On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > > > > I have strange feelings towards this Phorm thing. I don't mind being > > > > "spied" on, if you can call it that, because I have nothing to hide; > > > > just as I don't mind CCTV, biometric ID cards, DNA tests and > databases > > > > - I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > break the law and I don't have a criminal record it is therefore only > > > > in place to assist me, not hinder me. > > > > > > There are two obvious problems with the "nothing to hide" argument. > > > > > > Firstly if you have nothing to hide ask yourself the question "why do I > > > close > > > my curtains in the evening?", presumably you aren't doing anything > > > illegal in > > > the evening. > > > > > > Secondly it assumes that these methods of surveillance function without > > > error. > > > You may not mind having your biometrics on a national database however > if > > > that database through error of function, design or both matches your > > > record against particular criminal activity, disruption to you life > will > > > be more than minimal. > > > > > > Given that government IT projects currently have a 70 percent(!!!) > > > failure rate the second of these problems is not unlikely. > > > > > > Combine this with legislation that will allow you to be held without > > > charge for 28 (42) days and mass surveillance seems to be a little less > > > benign. > > > > > > > > > Also beware arguments along the lines that powers introduced to allow > > > pervasive surveillance will only be used in serious cases recently > Poole > > > council used the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) to draw > up > > > a list of a mother's movements showing the times and exact routes of > > > school runs with her children. These included detailed notes such as > > > "female and three children enter target vehicle and drive off" and > > > "curtains open and all > > > lights on in premises". The mother said her daughter was having trouble > > > sleeping because she feared "a man outside watching us". You may ask > why > > > were > > > they using an act designed for serious crime or terrorism, the family > had > > > recently sold their house but were still living in it to qualify for > the > > > local school.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave. > > > > > > > However, the thing that does boil my blood about Phorm is purely the > > > > fact they're breaking the law. I hate, with a passion, big companies > > > > thinking they can just do as they please and are above the law - i.e. > > > > MS. > > > > > > > > That's my two-cents on the matter :P > > > > > > -- > > > Dr. David Holden. > > > > > > See: > > > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chester mailing list > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > -- > Dr. David Holden. > > See: > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Mon Jun 2 14:39:23 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:39:23 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Privacy and liberty In-Reply-To: <4842FC23.4000508@talktalk.net> References: <20080530223309.GA4039@popey.com> <200806011345.52336.dh@iucr.org> <200806011652.57500.dh@iucr.org> <4842FC23.4000508@talktalk.net> Message-ID: Again, valid point(s), but again I ask: what can you do about it? I understand the problem, we all do, but what can you do? On 6/1/08, Roger Gibson wrote: > > David makes some very valid points. Jean Charles de Menezes had no > opportunity to prove he was innocent when faulty surveillance left him with > 8 dum-dum bullets in his head on a tube train at Stockwell station. Nobody > waited for a Judge to say it was OK to kill him. > > We must all have received emails 'for the wrong Roger Gibson'. There are > frequent news items about mistaken identity at US immigration causing > innocent people to be locked up or deported. Joe Public believes computers > never lie. We know that faulty software and erroneous data sets abound. > Much surveillance software will be Microsoft based. Data on paper locked > up (or even not locked up) in filing cabinets is one thing. Poorly secured > data bases used as part of a wide computer trawl will inevitably throw up > mismatched data. > > When I know I am innocent, I don't want to have to undergo much trauma and > expense to prove it. I would rather that the alleged case against me had > been properly investigated, and was not based solely on dodgy data sets. > Roger. > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Mon Jun 2 15:41:50 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:41:50 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981@Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin] [Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket Shareholders at BT PLC AGM] In-Reply-To: References: <20080530223309.GA4039@popey.com> <200806011652.57500.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: <200806021642.41544.dh@iucr.org> On Monday 02 June 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > Hi David, > > Excellent points indeed and you've helped me understand your point better. > I can see where you're coming from and sure, every human has a fundamental > desire for privacy at some level in their lives. However, my entire "I have > nothing to hide" argument really relates to Phorm. People don't like the > idea of Phorm simply because it monitors what they do and they feel that > will be used against them, i.e. prosecute them for illegally obtaining > music. > > I understand systems can fail and computers can be wrong - a computer does > what's told by a human and human error is a fact of life - but still the > chances remain very low that this would even happen. I could be hit by a > bus whilst walking to the shops tomorrow... should I not go to the shops or > find an alternative route/form of transport? Perhaps others have been hit > by your £60 fine analogy and just shrugged it off because their lives are > too busy - I guess that is a serious flaw - but I ask you this: what can > you do about it? Leave the country? Complain about it? > > When something like Phorm hits our lives it deeply affects a lot of people > and as such it causes public outrage and very firm and stiff letters to be > written to the relevant parties. My whole view on this is not what Phorm > does, but the way it has gone about testing and implementing its self thus > far -- illegally. I can't really say much regarding phorm as I don't know enough, although from what I understand I agree with you that their introduction/testing phase broke the law. With regard to how rarely people will be hit I think you will be surprised, for instance with ID cards in the governments own trials fingerprint scanners worked only 80 percent of the time, facial scans worked 70 percent of the time but only 50 percent for disabled people.. etc. Who will be responsible for the accuracy of the data on the national register? you will. When technology is applied on mass to millions of people even small percentage failures will effect thousands. Despite all the above its my view that wide spread application of technology to personal data is unavoidable what is required therefore are efforts to keep control of that data with the individual and not on centralised systems. As to what you can do about it, this is a good question and not easy to answer, I would say firstly try and become aware as you can of the issues involved, join a campaigning group like No2ID http://www.no2id.net, try and make you friends and family aware that their privacy (and freedoms) are being eroded, realise that your personal information is of value (google makes billions out of it), Write to your MP http://www.writetothem.com/. Cheers, Dave. > > On 6/1/08, David Holden wrote: > > On Sunday 01 June 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > > > I don't close my blinds/curtains - again it boils down to personal > > > preference. If someone comes onto my property to look through my > > > > windows... > > > > > well, my father is ex-special forces and a very large man - I'll say no > > > more. > > > > The point here was that personal privacy is a fundamental human need, I > > suspect that even in your case there are boundaries of personal privacy > > beyond which despite you doing nothing illegal you would not want others > > to cross, also people should not have to resort to ex-special forces > > relatives to defend their personal privacy ;-) > > > > > The biometric information isn't absolute, though. They can't say, "OK > > > > well, > > > > > your biometric ID matches a crime committed in London" - I've never > > > been London... ever. The crime would need to be commitment in my area, > > > whilst I'm present, not to mention the other facts of the case. > > > Biometric/DNA evidence isn't absolute, it's merely accepted in court. > > > > The point here of course isn't that you would not ultimately be able to > > prove > > your innocence but that through faulty surveillance information you may > > have > > to prove your innocence. > > > > One of the risks of mass surveillance is that because of failures of > > design and use combined with the possibility of massive trawling is that > > many people > > will be faced with the prospect of guilty until proven innocent rather > > than vica versa. > > > > One of the main coming issues here will be for low grade "crimes", e,g. > > the computer says you were illegally driving in the bus lane Friday > > morning, you > > have two alternative pay a 60 pounds fine or go to court and risk a 1000 > > pound fine, lots of folk with busy lives will just take the hit rather > > than risking a 1000 pound fine to prove that the systems is at fault. > > > > > I can be held without charge for 28-42 days without charge - but only > > > > under > > > > > the terrorism act; and act of, or involvement in, terrorism has to be > > > proven. > > > > As I demonstrated by my example of the misuse of RIPA, laws brought in > > under > > the guise of serious crime often get use for much less serious crimes or > > (non > > crimes). I'm sure we all remember the disgraceful episode of 82 year old > > Walter Wolfgang being detained under the anti terrorism act after being > > ejected from the labour party conference for shouting "nonsense" during > > Jack > > Straw's speech. > > > > > No disrespect, but both you and Paul have gone to extremes to prove > > > an already perfectly valid point that I understand and accept - Phorm > > > invades your privacy. > > > > Sorry I wasn't trying to make a point regarding Phorm I don't know enough > > about this, I was just addressing your point about "nothing to hide" one > > which I hear a lot in the context of the ID cards debate but personally > > feel > > is flawed for the reasons I outlined. > > > > > I do value my privacy and there are lines I don't want companies > > > crossing > > > > - > > > > > this isn't one of them as it's what I expect from greedy, > > > money-grabbing companies that care not for your well being. > > > > > > Why did the council watch that mother? I father does that very job - > > > he's > > > > a > > > > > P.I. now - I can assure you the council obtain permission from a Judge, > > > which isn't easy. There must have been a reason for it? :) > > > > Here's the Guardian on this particular story > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/apr/11/localgovernment.ukcrime > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Dave. > > > > > On 6/1/08, David Holden wrote: > > > > On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > > > > > I have strange feelings towards this Phorm thing. I don't mind > > > > > being "spied" on, if you can call it that, because I have nothing > > > > > to hide; just as I don't mind CCTV, biometric ID cards, DNA tests > > > > > and > > > > databases > > > > > > > - I > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > break the law and I don't have a criminal record it is therefore > > > > > only in place to assist me, not hinder me. > > > > > > > > There are two obvious problems with the "nothing to hide" argument. > > > > > > > > Firstly if you have nothing to hide ask yourself the question "why do > > > > I close > > > > my curtains in the evening?", presumably you aren't doing anything > > > > illegal in > > > > the evening. > > > > > > > > Secondly it assumes that these methods of surveillance function > > > > without error. > > > > You may not mind having your biometrics on a national database > > > > however > > > > if > > > > > > that database through error of function, design or both matches your > > > > record against particular criminal activity, disruption to you life > > > > will > > > > > > be more than minimal. > > > > > > > > Given that government IT projects currently have a 70 percent(!!!) > > > > failure rate the second of these problems is not unlikely. > > > > > > > > Combine this with legislation that will allow you to be held without > > > > charge for 28 (42) days and mass surveillance seems to be a little > > > > less benign. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also beware arguments along the lines that powers introduced to allow > > > > pervasive surveillance will only be used in serious cases recently > > > > Poole > > > > > > council used the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) to > > > > draw > > > > up > > > > > > a list of a mother's movements showing the times and exact routes of > > > > school runs with her children. These included detailed notes such as > > > > "female and three children enter target vehicle and drive off" and > > > > "curtains open and all > > > > lights on in premises". The mother said her daughter was having > > > > trouble sleeping because she feared "a man outside watching us". You > > > > may ask > > > > why > > > > > > were > > > > they using an act designed for serious crime or terrorism, the family > > > > had > > > > > > recently sold their house but were still living in it to qualify for > > > > the > > > > > > local school.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave. > > > > > > > > > However, the thing that does boil my blood about Phorm is purely > > > > > the fact they're breaking the law. I hate, with a passion, big > > > > > companies thinking they can just do as they please and are above > > > > > the law - i.e. MS. > > > > > > > > > > That's my two-cents on the matter :P > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dr. David Holden. > > > > > > > > See: > > > > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Chester mailing list > > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > -- > > Dr. David Holden. > > > > See: > > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From dh at iucr.org Tue Jun 3 12:24:03 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:24:03 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Google shell Message-ID: <200806031324.56983.dh@iucr.org> Hello, rather cute.. http://goosh.org/ Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Tue Jun 3 12:32:53 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:32:53 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Google shell In-Reply-To: <200806031324.56983.dh@iucr.org> References: <200806031324.56983.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: Interesting project. What's it done in? Can't be Flash, as I haven't added Flash support to Opera yet. On 6/3/08, David Holden wrote: > > > Hello, > > rather cute.. > > > http://goosh.org/ > > > Dave. > > > -- > Dr. David Holden. > > See: > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r.downing at dl.ac.uk Tue Jun 3 12:48:05 2008 From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk (Roger Downing) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:48:05 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Google shell In-Reply-To: References: <200806031324.56983.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: <200806031348.02742.r.downing@dl.ac.uk> On Tuesday 03 June 2008 13:32:43 Michael Crilly wrote: > Interesting project. What's it done in? Can't be Flash, as I haven't added > Flash support to Opera yet. It's done in Javascript with AJAX to make the document update smoothly. Pretty nicely done. It doesn't want to work for me though, possibly due to being behind a proxy. It uses the AJAX google API for doing searches and the like, and they always timeout for me. Cheers, -- Roger Downing eScience systems administrator STFC Daresbury Laboratories Keckwick Lane Warrington WA4 4AD Tel: 01925 603937 Mbl: 07880 736154 From dh at iucr.org Tue Jun 3 12:52:00 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:52:00 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Google shell In-Reply-To: References: <200806031324.56983.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: <200806031352.57749.dh@iucr.org> On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > Interesting project. What's it done in? Can't be Flash, as I haven't added > Flash support to Opera yet. > > On 6/3/08, David Holden wrote: > > Hello, > > > > rather cute.. > > > > > > http://goosh.org/ > > > > > > Dave. > > propably an AJAX affair. Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Jun 3 14:16:40 2008 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:16:40 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Google shell In-Reply-To: <200806031352.57749.dh@iucr.org> References: <200806031324.56983.dh@iucr.org> <200806031352.57749.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: Ideal for those occasions when you want even searching Google to look techie and complicated! On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM, David Holden wrote: > On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > > Interesting project. What's it done in? Can't be Flash, as I haven't > added > > Flash support to Opera yet. > > > > On 6/3/08, David Holden wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > rather cute.. > > > > > > > > > http://goosh.org/ > > > > > > > > > Dave. > > > > > propably an AJAX affair. > > Dave. > > > > > -- > Dr. David Holden. > > See: > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Tue Jun 3 14:44:39 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:44:39 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Google shell In-Reply-To: References: <200806031324.56983.dh@iucr.org> <200806031352.57749.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: <200806031545.33206.dh@iucr.org> On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Les Pritchard wrote: > Ideal for those occasions when you want even searching Google to look > techie and complicated! > LoL, of course I will be using it all the time now, that said I'm not sure gooshing something sounds as good. Dave. > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM, David Holden wrote: > > On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > > > Interesting project. What's it done in? Can't be Flash, as I haven't > > > > added > > > > > Flash support to Opera yet. > > > > > > On 6/3/08, David Holden wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > rather cute.. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://goosh.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave. > > > > propably an AJAX affair. > > > > Dave. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dr. David Holden. > > > > See: > > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From rcgibson at talktalk.net Tue Jun 3 14:28:50 2008 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:28:50 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Google shell In-Reply-To: References: <200806031324.56983.dh@iucr.org> <200806031352.57749.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: <48455511.7060808@talktalk.net> But it is quick and easy, even in Winsoze. - Roger Les Pritchard said the following on 03/06/2008 15:16: > Ideal for those occasions when you want even searching Google to look > techie and complicated! > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:52 PM, David Holden > wrote: > > On Tuesday 03 June 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > > Interesting project. What's it done in? Can't be Flash, as I > haven't added > > Flash support to Opera yet. > > > > On 6/3/08, David Holden > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > rather cute.. > > > > > > > > > http://goosh.org/ > > > > > > > > > Dave. > > > > > propably an AJAX affair. > > Dave. > > > > > -- > Dr. David Holden. > > See: > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can we throw broken bottles, molotov cocktails and chainsaws next time? > From: dh at iucr.org > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:45:54 +0100 > Subject: [Chester LUG] egg attack > > > Hello, > > http://www.egg-attack.com/ > > Dave. > > > > -- > Dr. David Holden. > > See: > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smedley358 at btinternet.com Wed Jun 4 18:17:02 2008 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:17:02 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [DS-public] UK petition on Hague Declaration Message-ID: <1212603666.32017.41.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall> ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Pieter Hintjens" To: "Digistan Public Discussions" Sent: 04 June 2008 15:57:16 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London Subject: [DS-public] UK petition on Hague Declaration News story on http://www.digistan.org/: UK petition on Hague Declaration OpenOffice.org's John McCreesh tells us that the UK Prime Minister s Office has accepted an e-petition: "We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to adopt the Hague Declaration of the Digital Standards Organisation." John says, "please encourage any of your supporters who are British citizens or residents to support this petition by voting online before 6th July at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/digistan" -Pieter -- Public mailing list Public at digistan.org http://lists.digistan.org/mailman/listinfo/public From dh at iucr.org Thu Jun 5 08:41:57 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:41:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] more of the same Message-ID: <200806050942.52193.dh@iucr.org> Hello, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2075026/Council-snoopers-access-900-phone-bills.html Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From dh at iucr.org Thu Jun 5 11:49:45 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:49:45 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Impressed with this Message-ID: <200806051250.41723.dh@iucr.org> Hello, Doesn't work so well if Linux is your default work desktop but fabulous how they made classic's into powerpoint presentations.. http://www.readatwork.com/ Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From joe.foy at gmail.com Mon Jun 9 14:37:30 2008 From: joe.foy at gmail.com (Joe Foy) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:37:30 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] old machines Message-ID: I work at west cheshire college which will be moving into a small building in the not too distant future, as a consequence we are getting rid of all the computing equipment we are not using. If anyone would like any of this stuff give me a list and I will try to get hold of it for you. Please bare in mind that it will probably be old stuff and there is no guarantee of it working, but I will try and test things first. Also try not to be too specific as we may have something equivalent but not exactly the same as what you want. From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Mon Jun 9 15:45:00 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:45:00 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] old machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Any workstations Joe? I have a friend still on a 1.2GHz AMD with 392mB of 122 SDRAM and running XP and Photoshop :( If you can better that for free, I'll give you a hug :) On 6/9/08, Joe Foy wrote: > > I work at west cheshire college which will be moving into a small > building in the not too distant future, as a consequence we are > getting rid of all the computing equipment we are not using. If anyone > would like any of this stuff give me a list and I will try to get hold > of it for you. Please bare in mind that it will probably be old stuff > and there is no guarantee of it working, but I will try and test > things first. Also try not to be too specific as we may have something > equivalent but not exactly the same as what you want. > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk Tue Jun 10 10:14:50 2008 From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk (Simon Willett) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:14:50 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] More runlevel stuff Message-ID: <000301c8cae2$dff93510$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> Couple of commands are interesting here "who -a" and "who -r". who -r gives the current runlevel and also the last runlevel the system was in. Output run-level 2 2008-04-08 08:03 last=S As you can see this system (unbuntu debian) goes straight from runlevel "S" single user mode to "2" default runlevel. It bypasses runlevel "1" on the way there. This is actually what it says on the man page. I would be interested to know if Redhat does something similar? Simon From dh at iucr.org Tue Jun 10 10:31:02 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:31:02 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] More runlevel stuff In-Reply-To: <000301c8cae2$dff93510$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> References: <000301c8cae2$dff93510$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> Message-ID: <200806101130.56120.dh@iucr.org> On Tuesday 10 June 2008, Simon Willett wrote: > Couple of commands are interesting here "who -a" and "who -r". > > who -r gives the current runlevel and also the last runlevel the system was > in. > > Output > run-level 2 2008-04-08 08:03 last=S > > As you can see this system (unbuntu debian) goes straight from runlevel "S" > single user mode to "2" default runlevel. > > It bypasses runlevel "1" on the way there. This is actually what it says on > the man page. > > I would be interested to know if Redhat does something similar? > > > Simon > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester on RHEL 3.1 run-level 3 May 26 21:08 last=S RHEL 5.2 (graphical mode) run-level 5 2008-06-09 18:05 last=S Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From iamseawolf at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 10:42:39 2008 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:42:39 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] More runlevel stuff In-Reply-To: <000301c8cae2$dff93510$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> References: <000301c8cae2$dff93510$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0806100342l493a5346p6c4af5eef860425f@mail.gmail.com> On 10/06/2008, Simon Willett wrote: > "who -r" > > I would be interested to know if Redhat does something similar? Yes, Fedora gives: run-level 5 2008-06-10 11:29 last=S -- | seawolf | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | From simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk Tue Jun 10 12:11:31 2008 From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk (Simon Willett) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:11:31 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Uptime competition Message-ID: <000001c8caf3$2b227000$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> A pint for the winner of the "uptime competition" Rules Computer must be running Linux It must be a computer you use or are responsible for No faked output Computer with the longest uptime wins My entry surely easily beaten Uptime output 13:07:33 up 63 days, 5:01, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.26, 0.20 Simon "OK so it's a slow day" From smedley358 at btinternet.com Tue Jun 10 12:11:37 2008 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:11:37 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] old machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1213100127.32017.147.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall> Hello Joe, On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 15:36 +0100, Joe Foy wrote: > I work at west cheshire college which will be moving into a small > building in the not too distant future, as a consequence we are > getting rid of all the computing equipment we are not using. If anyone > would like any of this stuff give me a list and I will try to get hold > of it for you. Please bare in mind that it will probably be old stuff > and there is no guarantee of it working, but I will try and test > things first. Also try not to be too specific as we may have something > equivalent but not exactly the same as what you want. There's a community project in Blacon that needs some machines - mostly terminals for LTSP, so it doesn't need to be too fast. Shall we take this off list (if you can help)? Cheers, - Richard -- Richard Smedley, rs at m6-it.org Technical Director, www.M6-IT.org M6-IT CIC +44 (0)779 456 07 14 Sustainable Third Sector IT solutions. PRINCE2 [TM] Project Management Training * Certification * Support * Networking * Web * Database * CRM M6-IT is a Community Interest Company, limited by guarantee. 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Welsh office/ Swyddfa Gogledd Cymru: e-mail / e-bost - cymru at m6-it.org Southern Office: Oxford contact matthew at m6-it.org From r.downing at dl.ac.uk Tue Jun 10 12:18:50 2008 From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk (Roger Downing) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:18:50 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Uptime competition In-Reply-To: <000001c8caf3$2b227000$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> References: <000001c8caf3$2b227000$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> Message-ID: <200806101318.46624.r.downing@dl.ac.uk> On Tuesday 10 June 2008 13:11:52 Simon Willett wrote: > A pint for the winner of the "uptime competition" > > > Rules > Computer must be running Linux > It must be a computer you use or are responsible for > No faked output > Computer with the longest uptime wins > > > My entry surely easily beaten > > Uptime output > 13:07:33 up 63 days, 5:01, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.26, 0.20 > > > Simon > "OK so it's a slow day" > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester 13:17:08 up 599 days, 20:37, 0 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 Hmm I'm sure there have been several new kernels out in that time....... -- Roger Downing eScience systems administrator STFC Daresbury Laboratories Keckwick Lane Warrington WA4 4AD Tel: 01925 603937 Mbl: 07880 736154 From joe.foy at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 13:32:51 2008 From: joe.foy at gmail.com (Joe Foy) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:32:51 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Re: old machines Message-ID: there should be lots of workstations, not sure of the spec though From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Tue Jun 10 13:37:16 2008 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:37:16 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Uptime competition In-Reply-To: <000001c8caf3$2b227000$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> References: <000001c8caf3$2b227000$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> Message-ID: 14:36:07 up 1:08, 2 users, load average: 0.38, 0.33, 0.36 But then I had to switch over from Windows XP (had to print a publisher file this morning and had no time to switch back) > From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:11:52 +0100 > Subject: [Chester LUG] Uptime competition > > A pint for the winner of the "uptime competition" > > > Rules > Computer must be running Linux > It must be a computer you use or are responsible for > No faked output > Computer with the longest uptime wins > > > My entry surely easily beaten > > Uptime output > 13:07:33 up 63 days, 5:01, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.26, 0.20 > > > Simon > "OK so it's a slow day" > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Oh, bugger. ./b -- | seawolf | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | From joe.foy at gmail.com Tue Jun 10 14:03:15 2008 From: joe.foy at gmail.com (Joe Foy) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:03:15 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Re: old machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: just been given a SCSI card, cable and DAT40 backup drive (no tapes unfortunately, but might be able to lay my hands on some of them) if any one wants it. From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Tue Jun 10 17:02:21 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:02:21 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Re: old machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK Joe, If you could let me know what the spec is, I'll take a few off your hands and build the best workstation I can from the parts and donate it to a friend in need :) Cheers! 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Goes to show you how often I update my network :P On 6/10/08, Ben Arnold wrote: > > On 10/06/2008, Simon Willett wrote: > > A pint for the winner of the "uptime competition" > > > top - 14:47:56 up 2:30, 3 users, load average: 0.96, 1.01, 0.99 > Tasks: 111 total, 1 running, 110 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie > > Do I get a shandy for having tasks that add up in binary and decimal? > Oh, bugger. > > ./b > > > -- > | seawolf | > | Ben Arnold | > | e-mail / msn / icq / web | > | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | > | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | > | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone have more? ./b -- | seawolf | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Wed Jun 11 17:58:57 2008 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:58:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Tongue Twisters In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0806110917m79c27ebdw66de9f2e3d73a2a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0806110917m79c27ebdw66de9f2e3d73a2a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know if this counts but... Microsoft makes mega money making many mistakes. Muppets! > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:17:03 +0100 > From: iamseawolf at gmail.com > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Tongue Twisters > > Noticed this on a Google for something else: > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=502112 > > One of my geeky favourites is > IF IF = THEN THEN THEN = ELSE ELSE ELSE = IF; > > but the best I can come up with right now is "respectable repositories > with reasonable room need really reliable resources" -- shocking, I > know. > > Anyone have more? > > ./b > > -- > | seawolf | > | Ben Arnold | > | e-mail / msn / icq / web | > | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | > | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | > | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Wed Jun 11 18:33:47 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:33:47 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Tongue Twisters In-Reply-To: References: <9c3bfa1d0806110917m79c27ebdw66de9f2e3d73a2a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You both have to much time on your hands :P On 6/11/08, Paul Williams wrote: > > I don't know if this counts but... > > Microsoft makes mega money making many mistakes. Muppets! > > > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:17:03 +0100 > > From: iamseawolf at gmail.com > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Tongue Twisters > > > > Noticed this on a Google for something else: > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=502112 > > > > One of my geeky favourites is > > IF IF = THEN THEN THEN = ELSE ELSE ELSE = IF; > > > > but the best I can come up with right now is "respectable repositories > > with reasonable room need really reliable resources" -- shocking, I > > know. > > > > Anyone have more? > > > > ./b > > > > -- > > | seawolf | > > | Ben Arnold | > > | e-mail / msn / icq / web | > > | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | > > | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | > > | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > ------------------------------ > Messenger's gone Mobile! Get it now! > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at nugatory.co.uk Wed Jun 11 22:01:16 2008 From: mark at nugatory.co.uk (Mark) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:01:16 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Uptime competition In-Reply-To: <000001c8caf3$2b227000$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> References: <000001c8caf3$2b227000$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> Message-ID: <48504B22.5080705@nugatory.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Simon Willett wrote: | A pint for the winner of the "uptime competition" | | | Rules | Computer must be running Linux | It must be a computer you use or are responsible for | No faked output | Computer with the longest uptime wins | | | My entry surely easily beaten | | Uptime output | 13:07:33 up 63 days, 5:01, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.26, 0.20 $ uptime ~ 02:29:07 up 1252 days, 9:44, 1 user, load average: 0.41, 0.59, 0.57 Ooooh yeah -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFIUEsi2JAmZ0QMFewRApWNAJ9G6hQ5y0kGwR/Pxt1jKcmuyK9D2ACgtb/C t9JG/ZQRrQNBycbFHjt/DMo= =4R+H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jun 12 16:31:06 2008 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:31:06 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Uptime competition In-Reply-To: <48504B22.5080705@nugatory.co.uk> References: <000001c8caf3$2b227000$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> <48504B22.5080705@nugatory.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Mark wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Simon Willett wrote: > | A pint for the winner of the "uptime competition" > | > | > | Rules > | Computer must be running Linux > | It must be a computer you use or are responsible for > | No faked output > | Computer with the longest uptime wins > | > | > | My entry surely easily beaten > | > | Uptime output > | 13:07:33 up 63 days, 5:01, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.26, 0.20 > > $ uptime > ~ 02:29:07 up 1252 days, 9:44, 1 user, load average: 0.41, 0.59, 0.57 Is that running kernel 2.0? :-) That must be one easy going customer! Or maybe they just don't realise! > > > > Ooooh yeah > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQFIUEsi2JAmZ0QMFewRApWNAJ9G6hQ5y0kGwR/Pxt1jKcmuyK9D2ACgtb/C > t9JG/ZQRrQNBycbFHjt/DMo= > =4R+H > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Thu Jun 12 16:54:36 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:54:36 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Uptime competition In-Reply-To: References: <000001c8caf3$2b227000$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> <48504B22.5080705@nugatory.co.uk> Message-ID: <200806121754.26258.dh@iucr.org> See if you can beat this "shortest" uptime 17:52:27 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.57, 0.13, 0.04 Dave. On Thursday 12 June 2008, Les Pritchard wrote: > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Mark wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Simon Willett wrote: > > | A pint for the winner of the "uptime competition" > > | > > | > > | Rules > > | Computer must be running Linux > > | It must be a computer you use or are responsible for > > | No faked output > > | Computer with the longest uptime wins > > | > > | > > | My entry surely easily beaten > > | > > | Uptime output > > | 13:07:33 up 63 days, 5:01, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.26, 0.20 > > > > $ uptime > > ~ 02:29:07 up 1252 days, 9:44, 1 user, load average: 0.41, 0.59, 0.57 > > Is that running kernel 2.0? :-) > > That must be one easy going customer! Or maybe they just don't realise! > > > Ooooh yeah > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) > > > > iD8DBQFIUEsi2JAmZ0QMFewRApWNAJ9G6hQ5y0kGwR/Pxt1jKcmuyK9D2ACgtb/C > > t9JG/ZQRrQNBycbFHjt/DMo= > > =4R+H > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Thu Jun 12 17:02:38 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:02:38 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Uptime competition In-Reply-To: <200806121754.26258.dh@iucr.org> References: <000001c8caf3$2b227000$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> <48504B22.5080705@nugatory.co.uk> <200806121754.26258.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: 18:00:02 up -1 min, 0 users, load average: 0.57, 0.13, 0.04 On 6/12/08, David Holden wrote: > > > See if you can beat this "shortest" uptime > > 17:52:27 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.57, 0.13, 0.04 > > > Dave. > > > > > On Thursday 12 June 2008, Les Pritchard wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Mark wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Simon Willett wrote: > > > | A pint for the winner of the "uptime competition" > > > | > > > | > > > | Rules > > > | Computer must be running Linux > > > | It must be a computer you use or are responsible for > > > | No faked output > > > | Computer with the longest uptime wins > > > | > > > | > > > | My entry surely easily beaten > > > | > > > | Uptime output > > > | 13:07:33 up 63 days, 5:01, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.26, 0.20 > > > > > > $ uptime > > > ~ 02:29:07 up 1252 days, 9:44, 1 user, load average: 0.41, 0.59, > 0.57 > > > > Is that running kernel 2.0? :-) > > > > That must be one easy going customer! Or maybe they just don't realise! > > > > > Ooooh yeah > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) > > > > > > iD8DBQFIUEsi2JAmZ0QMFewRApWNAJ9G6hQ5y0kGwR/Pxt1jKcmuyK9D2ACgtb/C > > > t9JG/ZQRrQNBycbFHjt/DMo= > > > =4R+H > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chester mailing list > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > -- > Dr. David Holden. > > See: > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Fri Jun 13 09:10:40 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:10:40 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Uptime competition In-Reply-To: References: <000001c8caf3$2b227000$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local> <200806121754.26258.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: <200806131010.30136.dh@iucr.org> On Thursday 12 June 2008, Michael Crilly wrote: > 18:00:02 up -1 min, 0 users, load average: 0.57, 0.13, 0.04 > > On 6/12/08, David Holden wrote: > > See if you can beat this "shortest" uptime > > > > 17:52:27 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.57, 0.13, 0.04 > > > > > > Dave. OK, do tell, I want to impress my friends with -2 mins ! Dave. > > > > On Thursday 12 June 2008, Les Pritchard wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Mark wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > Simon Willett wrote: > > > > | A pint for the winner of the "uptime competition" > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | Rules > > > > | Computer must be running Linux > > > > | It must be a computer you use or are responsible for > > > > | No faked output > > > > | Computer with the longest uptime wins > > > > | > > > > | > > > > | My entry surely easily beaten > > > > | > > > > | Uptime output > > > > | 13:07:33 up 63 days, 5:01, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.26, > > > > | 0.20 > > > > > > > > $ uptime > > > > ~ 02:29:07 up 1252 days, 9:44, 1 user, load average: 0.41, 0.59, > > > > 0.57 > > > > > Is that running kernel 2.0? :-) > > > > > > That must be one easy going customer! Or maybe they just don't > > > realise! > > > > > > > Ooooh yeah > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) > > > > > > > > iD8DBQFIUEsi2JAmZ0QMFewRApWNAJ9G6hQ5y0kGwR/Pxt1jKcmuyK9D2ACgtb/C > > > > t9JG/ZQRrQNBycbFHjt/DMo= > > > > =4R+H > > > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Chester mailing list > > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > -- > > Dr. David Holden. > > > > See: > > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From dh at iucr.org Fri Jun 13 10:38:12 2008 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:38:12 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] how to write a gnome app Message-ID: <200806131138.05662.dh@iucr.org> Hello, pointed from here http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2008/Jun-12-1.html I love this How to write a Gnome Application http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-to-write-gnome-application.html " # Enumerate all the features you want your app to have. # Cut 90% of them. Because they're hard to do. But tell everyone that they don't actually need that feature. # Implement 2% of them. Hide the other 8% in gconf. Hide them well. " LoL Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Fri Jun 13 20:09:05 2008 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:09:05 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Michael, please get in touch. Message-ID: Michael, I need to get in touch with you regarding something you may be interested in. Can you drop me a mail please (stuart.james.burns at gmail.com) Cheers Stuart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Sun Jun 15 17:25:52 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 17:25:52 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Michael, please get in touch. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does he mean me? My name is Michael!! :-o I've replied, but no feedback as of yet. On 6/13/08, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Michael, I need to get in touch with you regarding something you may be > interested in. Can you drop me a mail please (stuart.james.burns at gmail.com) > > > Cheers > > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at nugatory.co.uk Sun Jun 15 19:21:21 2008 From: mark at nugatory.co.uk (Mark) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 19:21:21 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Michael, please get in touch. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48556BA4.4080703@nugatory.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Burns wrote: | Michael, I need to get in touch with you regarding something you may be | interested in. Can you drop me a mail please (stuart.james.burns at gmail.com) Dude, it's the A-Team you have to look for, the Knight Rider guy just shows up from time to time. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFIVWuk2JAmZ0QMFewRAgMEAKCXUs+l3CwVcJc4VcdFCmBlEuBFQACcDnoO GnTGjupCnqKvHcqEuU/bByk= =yv1T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Mon Jun 16 07:31:40 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:31:40 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Michael, please get in touch. In-Reply-To: <48556BA4.4080703@nugatory.co.uk> References: <48556BA4.4080703@nugatory.co.uk> Message-ID: :P On 6/15/08, Mark wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Stuart Burns wrote: > | Michael, I need to get in touch with you regarding something you may be > | interested in. Can you drop me a mail please > (stuart.james.burns at gmail.com) > > Dude, it's the A-Team you have to look for, the Knight Rider guy just > shows up from time to time. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQFIVWuk2JAmZ0QMFewRAgMEAKCXUs+l3CwVcJc4VcdFCmBlEuBFQACcDnoO > GnTGjupCnqKvHcqEuU/bByk= > =yv1T > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Mon Jun 16 12:03:18 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:03:18 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Michael, please get in touch. In-Reply-To: References: <48556BA4.4080703@nugatory.co.uk> Message-ID: OK Stuart, I don't nkow if you're actually getting my e-mails; it's been 3 days now, so you can text me on my mobile 07900 560 502 cheers On 6/16/08, Michael Crilly wrote: > > :P > > On 6/15/08, Mark wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Stuart Burns wrote: >> | Michael, I need to get in touch with you regarding something you may be >> | interested in. Can you drop me a mail please >> (stuart.james.burns at gmail.com) >> >> Dude, it's the A-Team you have to look for, the Knight Rider guy just >> shows up from time to time. >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) >> >> iD8DBQFIVWuk2JAmZ0QMFewRAgMEAKCXUs+l3CwVcJc4VcdFCmBlEuBFQACcDnoO >> GnTGjupCnqKvHcqEuU/bByk= >> =yv1T >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > > > -- > M. T. Crilly > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Tue Jun 24 21:00:12 2008 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:00:12 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet In-Reply-To: <200806242157.06330.dh@iucr.org> References: <200806242157.06330.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: My intention is to be there, although I may be a little late. Paul > From: dh at iucr.org > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:57:06 +0100 > CC: > > On Tuesday 24 June 2008, Les Pritchard wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > This is a reminder that the next LUG social meet is this Thursday (26th) in > > the Old King's Head as usual. > > > > See you all there! > > > > Les > > apologies in advance, I won't be able to make this, I haven't emigrated > honest.. > > Dave. > > > > -- > Dr. David Holden. > > See: > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joe.foy at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 00:42:19 2008 From: joe.foy at gmail.com (Joe Foy) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:42:19 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet In-Reply-To: References: <200806242157.06330.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: I should be there, not sure precisely when though. From rcgibson at talktalk.net Tue Jun 24 22:46:30 2008 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:46:30 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4861793C.2090305@talktalk.net> Sorry, I can't come either - Roger. Les Pritchard said the following on 24/06/2008 21:14: > Hi all, > > This is a reminder that the next LUG social meet is this Thursday > (26th) in the Old King's Head as usual. > > See you all there! > > Les > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 6/24/08, Roger Gibson wrote: > Sorry, I can't come either - Roger. > > Les Pritchard said the following on 24/06/2008 21:14: >> Hi all, >> >> This is a reminder that the next LUG social meet is this Thursday >> (26th) in the Old King's Head as usual. >> >> See you all there! >> >> Les >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > -- Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ From biglynchy at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 11:21:24 2008 From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:21:24 -0000 Subject: Fwd: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet In-Reply-To: References: <4861793C.2090305@talktalk.net> Message-ID: Hi folks, I've been on the mailing list for a while but not been able to make any of the meets, I'm gonna come down 2moro though with a friend, better late than never :) I know you meet up in the Kings Head in Chester right? What time do people normally get there? Is there anything I need to know? Thanks, Dan On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Michael Crilly wrote: > I'll be there. > > On 6/24/08, Roger Gibson wrote: > > Sorry, I can't come either - Roger. > > > > Les Pritchard said the following on 24/06/2008 21:14: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> This is a reminder that the next LUG social meet is this Thursday > >> (26th) in the Old King's Head as usual. > >> > >> See you all there! > >> > >> Les > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chester mailing list > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >> > > > > -- > Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com > > M. T. Crilly > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Thu Jun 26 11:41:32 2008 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:41:32 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet In-Reply-To: References: <4861793C.2090305@talktalk.net> Message-ID: We all start turning up from about 7. We all tend to congregate in the corner on the left of the door. Just listen out for people talking about geeky things. That's probably us (unless a D&D group turns up as well!) See you tonight Paul Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:21:21 +0100 From: biglynchy at gmail.com To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Fwd: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet Hi folks, I've been on the mailing list for a while but not been able to make any of the meets, I'm gonna come down 2moro though with a friend, better late than never :) I know you meet up in the Kings Head in Chester right? What time do people normally get there? Is there anything I need to know? Thanks, Dan On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Michael Crilly wrote: I'll be there. On 6/24/08, Roger Gibson wrote: > Sorry, I can't come either - Roger. > > Les Pritchard said the following on 24/06/2008 21:14: >> Hi all, >> >> This is a reminder that the next LUG social meet is this Thursday >> (26th) in the Old King's Head as usual. >> >> See you all there! >> >> Les >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > -- Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From biglynchy at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 11:47:23 2008 From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:47:23 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet In-Reply-To: References: <4861793C.2090305@talktalk.net> Message-ID: Great thanks, I'll be aware of not joining any D&D conventions hehehe :) Catch you later, Dan On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > > We all start turning up from about 7. We all tend to congregate in the > corner on the left of the door. Just listen out for people talking about > geeky things. That's probably us (unless a D&D group turns up as well!) > > See you tonight > > Paul > > ------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:21:21 +0100 > From: biglynchy at gmail.com > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Fwd: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet > > > Hi folks, > > I've been on the mailing list for a while but not been able to make any of > the meets, I'm gonna come down 2moro though with a friend, better late than > never :) I know you meet up in the Kings Head in Chester right? What time do > people normally get there? Is there anything I need to know? > > Thanks, > > Dan > > > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Michael Crilly > wrote: > > I'll be there. > > On 6/24/08, Roger Gibson wrote: > > Sorry, I can't come either - Roger. > > > > Les Pritchard said the following on 24/06/2008 21:14: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> This is a reminder that the next LUG social meet is this Thursday > >> (26th) in the Old King's Head as usual. > >> > >> See you all there! > >> > >> Les > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chester mailing list > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >> > > > > -- > Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com > > M. T. Crilly > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > ------------------------------ > Messenger's gone Mobile! Get it now! > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com Thu Jun 26 12:36:09 2008 From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury) Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:36:09 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet In-Reply-To: References: <4861793C.2090305@talktalk.net> Message-ID: I hope they don't turn up, they've only just finished washing the blood off the walls from our last encounter... B 2008/6/26 Dan Lynch : > Great thanks, I'll be aware of not joining any D&D conventions hehehe :) > Catch you later, Dan > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Paul Williams > wrote: >> >> We all start turning up from about 7. We all tend to congregate in the >> corner on the left of the door. Just listen out for people talking about >> geeky things. That's probably us (unless a D&D group turns up as well!) >> >> See you tonight >> >> Paul >> >> ________________________________ >> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:21:21 +0100 >> From: biglynchy at gmail.com >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> Subject: Fwd: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet >> >> Hi folks, >> >> I've been on the mailing list for a while but not been able to make any of >> the meets, I'm gonna come down 2moro though with a friend, better late than >> never :) I know you meet up in the Kings Head in Chester right? What time do >> people normally get there? Is there anything I need to know? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Michael Crilly >> wrote: >> >> I'll be there. >> >> On 6/24/08, Roger Gibson wrote: >> > Sorry, I can't come either - Roger. >> > >> > Les Pritchard said the following on 24/06/2008 21:14: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> This is a reminder that the next LUG social meet is this Thursday >> >> (26th) in the Old King's Head as usual. >> >> >> >> See you all there! >> >> >> >> Les >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. >> >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chester mailing list >> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com >> >> M. T. Crilly >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Messenger's gone Mobile! Get it now! >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > From biglynchy at gmail.com Wed Jun 25 19:34:46 2008 From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch) Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:34:46 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet In-Reply-To: References: <4861793C.2090305@talktalk.net> Message-ID: Hi folks, I've been on the mailing list for a while but not been able to make any of the meets, I'm gonna come down 2moro though with a friend, better late than never :) I know you meet up in the Kings Head in Chester right? What time do people normally get there? Is there anything I need to know? Thanks, Dan On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Michael Crilly wrote: > I'll be there. > > On 6/24/08, Roger Gibson wrote: > > Sorry, I can't come either - Roger. > > > > Les Pritchard said the following on 24/06/2008 21:14: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> This is a reminder that the next LUG social meet is this Thursday > >> (26th) in the Old King's Head as usual. > >> > >> See you all there! > >> > >> Les > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chester mailing list > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >> > > > > -- > Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com > > M. T. Crilly > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk Fri Jun 27 10:58:11 2008 From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:58:11 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet In-Reply-To: References: <4861793C.2090305@talktalk.net> Message-ID: and getting the arrows and axes from out of the walls... and hiring a new barmaid. On 6/26/08, Bryn Salisbury wrote: > > I hope they don't turn up, they've only just finished washing the > blood off the walls from our last encounter... > > B > > 2008/6/26 Dan Lynch : > > > Great thanks, I'll be aware of not joining any D&D conventions hehehe :) > > Catch you later, Dan > > > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Paul Williams > > wrote: > >> > >> We all start turning up from about 7. We all tend to congregate in the > >> corner on the left of the door. Just listen out for people talking > about > >> geeky things. That's probably us (unless a D&D group turns up as well!) > >> > >> See you tonight > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:21:21 +0100 > >> From: biglynchy at gmail.com > >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> Subject: Fwd: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet > >> > >> Hi folks, > >> > >> I've been on the mailing list for a while but not been able to make any > of > >> the meets, I'm gonna come down 2moro though with a friend, better late > than > >> never :) I know you meet up in the Kings Head in Chester right? What > time do > >> people normally get there? Is there anything I need to know? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Dan > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Michael Crilly > >> wrote: > >> > >> I'll be there. > >> > >> On 6/24/08, Roger Gibson wrote: > >> > Sorry, I can't come either - Roger. > >> > > >> > Les Pritchard said the following on 24/06/2008 21:14: > >> >> Hi all, > >> >> > >> >> This is a reminder that the next LUG social meet is this Thursday > >> >> (26th) in the Old King's Head as usual. > >> >> > >> >> See you all there! > >> >> > >> >> Les > >> >> > >> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> >> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > >> >> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > >> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Chester mailing list > >> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com > >> > >> M. T. Crilly > >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chester mailing list > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> Messenger's gone Mobile! Get it now! > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chester mailing list > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: