From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Thu May  1 09:23:06 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 09:23:06 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W42C01D037FB77B9DE73823C5D80@phx.gbl>
References: <4818840B.2060001@gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W42C01D037FB77B9DE73823C5D80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805010223q4cf05407s209c6cb50b5f0dac@mail.gmail.com>

I agree. We use an Epson DX6000 series at home. Haven't tried the scanner
part but the printing is fine. It uses a lot of ink but the carts are really
cheap at about £2.50 a cart.



2008/4/30 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:

>  I use ubuntu hardy and an epson dx8400.  Seems to work ok so far with
> printing.  not tried the scanner so far.  Can't say if it does anything
> fancy or not, but can print normal stuff like .doc files through OOo.
>
> Hope that's a help.
>
> > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:36:59 +0100
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > Subject: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
>
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Can any of you guys and gals(?) suggest either an individual scanner
> > & printer to that will OK with Linux (Ubuntu Hardy) or an all-in-one
> > combination device with the same support? I don't want to just go out
> > and buy one for obvious reasons.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > - MC
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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From trmitchell at hotmail.co.uk  Thu May  1 09:24:11 2008
From: trmitchell at hotmail.co.uk (Tom Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 09:24:11 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
In-Reply-To: <4818840B.2060001@gmail.com>
References: <4818840B.2060001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY113-W24C602874ACFAF4D1788608ADB0@phx.gbl>


Hi,
These are older models but still good.
Scanner 
Epson 2450  have to use a firewire connection in PClinux os , usb in ubuntu 

printers
epson r220, hp4500, old hp 4 and 2100

Older laserjets tend to be good,  cheap, built like brick privvies and obtainable from a  printer recycler at Anderton near Northwich (or via keiths printers on ebay)
hope this helps
tom


-------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:36:59 +0100
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
> 
> Greetings,
> 
>     Can any of you guys and gals(?) suggest either an individual scanner 
> & printer to that will OK with Linux (Ubuntu Hardy) or an all-in-one 
> combination device with the same support? I don't want to just go out 
> and buy one for obvious reasons.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - MC
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

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From stephenjones at g-b-a.co.uk  Thu May  1 11:25:10 2008
From: stephenjones at g-b-a.co.uk (Stephen Jones)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 11:25:10 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] RE: Chester Digest, Vol 69, Issue 3
In-Reply-To: <E1JrWkk-0004fJ-02@xinit.lug.org.uk>
Message-ID: <200805011125.IHW67028@c2bthomr02.btconnect.com>

Hi there  im new to the Chester-LUG I have a small proble with virtualbox
more an annoyance really its when using seemless mode with virtualbox when
no applications are open I get a sketch view of the desktop wallpaper does
anyone know how I can correct this without turning off any of the eye candy

cheers

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Today's Topics:

   1. Scanner and Printer Options (Michael Crilly)
   2. Stallman talk (Les Pritchard)
   3. RE: Scanner and Printer Options (Paul Williams)
   4. Re: Scanner and Printer Options (Stuart Burns)
   5. RE: Scanner and Printer Options (Tom Mitchell)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:36:59 +0100
From: Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>
Subject: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Message-ID: <4818840B.2060001 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Greetings,

    Can any of you guys and gals(?) suggest either an individual scanner 
& printer to that will OK with Linux (Ubuntu Hardy) or an all-in-one 
combination device with the same support? I don't want to just go out 
and buy one for obvious reasons.

Cheers,

- MC



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:41:08 +0100
From: "Les Pritchard" <les.pritchard at gmail.com>
Subject: [Chester LUG] Stallman talk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Message-ID:
	<a801c01e0804300641v9d9cc97u53b53366d36622a4 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi everyone,

Unfortunately I'm not sure if I'll be able to make it to this talk after all
:-(

I have a meeting in the afternoon and I'm not sure that I'll be able to make
it up to Manchester in time.  If I make it, see you there, otherwise let us
know how it goes!

Les
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:15:47 +0000
From: Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
To: <chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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I use ubuntu hardy and an epson dx8400.  Seems to work ok so far with
printing.  not tried the scanner so far.  Can't say if it does anything
fancy or not, but can print normal stuff like .doc files through OOo.

Hope that's a help.

> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:36:59 +0100
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
> 
> Greetings,
> 
>     Can any of you guys and gals(?) suggest either an individual scanner 
> & printer to that will OK with Linux (Ubuntu Hardy) or an all-in-one 
> combination device with the same support? I don't want to just go out 
> and buy one for obvious reasons.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - MC
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 10:23:03 +0100
From: "Stuart Burns" <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Message-ID:
	<b8b7bbcc0805010223q4cf05407s209c6cb50b5f0dac at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I agree. We use an Epson DX6000 series at home. Haven't tried the scanner
part but the printing is fine. It uses a lot of ink but the carts are really
cheap at about #2.50 a cart.



2008/4/30 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:

>  I use ubuntu hardy and an epson dx8400.  Seems to work ok so far with
> printing.  not tried the scanner so far.  Can't say if it does anything
> fancy or not, but can print normal stuff like .doc files through OOo.
>
> Hope that's a help.
>
> > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:36:59 +0100
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > Subject: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
>
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Can any of you guys and gals(?) suggest either an individual scanner
> > & printer to that will OK with Linux (Ubuntu Hardy) or an all-in-one
> > combination device with the same support? I don't want to just go out
> > and buy one for obvious reasons.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > - MC
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:23:57 +0000
From: Tom Mitchell <trmitchell at hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
To: <chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY113-W24C602874ACFAF4D1788608ADB0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"


Hi,
These are older models but still good.
Scanner 
Epson 2450  have to use a firewire connection in PClinux os , usb in ubuntu 

printers
epson r220, hp4500, old hp 4 and 2100

Older laserjets tend to be good,  cheap, built like brick privvies and
obtainable from a  printer recycler at Anderton near Northwich (or via
keiths printers on ebay)
hope this helps
tom


-------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:36:59 +0100
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Scanner and Printer Options
> 
> Greetings,
> 
>     Can any of you guys and gals(?) suggest either an individual scanner 
> & printer to that will OK with Linux (Ubuntu Hardy) or an all-in-one 
> combination device with the same support? I don't want to just go out 
> and buy one for obvious reasons.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - MC
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

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From simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk  Thu May  1 14:48:03 2008
From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk (Simon Willett)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 14:48:03 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Stallman Talk
Message-ID: <4819D818.6020404@gbitsystems.co.uk>

Is any one else interested in coming with me?

And more importantly,

can you confirm that this is the venue?
(There was some debate  about this at the lug)



Thanks
Simon


 

 

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*From:* chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk 
[mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Les Pritchard
*Sent:* 14 April 2008 14:04
*To:* chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
*Subject:* [Chester LUG] Talk

 

Does anyone else fancy going to this?  I'm hoping to get there if you 
fancy a lift share between some of us.

Free of charge evening talk organised in association with the Manchester 
branches of the BCS and IET. 'Free Software in Ethics and Practice' - 
speaker: Richard Stallman Thursday 1st May, 2008 - Talk starts at 6:45pm 
(ends approx. 8:30pm) with refreshments from 6:15pm. Venue:  Room D1, 
Renold Building, University of Manchester, Sackville Street, Manchester 
M1 3BB There is no need to book a place - just turn up on the night. 
Abstract: Richard Stallman will speak about the Free Software Movement, 
which campaigns for freedom so that computer users can cooperate to 
control their own computing activities.  The Free Software Movement 
developed the GNU operating system, often erroneously referred to as 
Linux, specifically to establish these freedoms. About the speaker: 
Richard Stallman launched the development of the GNU operating system 
(see www.gnu.org <http://www.gnu.org/>) in 1984.  GNU is free software: 
everyone has the freedom to copy it and redistribute it, as well as to 
make changes either large or small.  The GNU/Linux system, basically the 
GNU operating system with Linux added, is used on tens of millions of 
computers today.  Stallman has received the ACM Grace Hopper Award, a 
MacArthur Foundation fellowship, the Electronic Frontier Foundation's 
Pioneer award, and the the Takeda Award for Social/Economic Betterment, 
as well as several honorary doctorates.
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From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Sun May  4 18:34:24 2008
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 18:34:24 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Stallman Talk
In-Reply-To: <4819D818.6020404@gbitsystems.co.uk>
References: <4819D818.6020404@gbitsystems.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1209926345.4045.223.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>


On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 15:47 +0100, Simon Willett wrote:
> Is any one else interested in coming with me? 
> 
> And more importantly, 
> 
> can you confirm that this is the venue?
> (There was some debate  about this at the lug) 

Hello Simon,

Did you enjoy it? It was quite a good talk, but
the venue was hot and crowded, and the extended questions
were an unwelcome delay to getting to the beer ;^/

 - Richard














From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Sun May  4 20:00:05 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 20:00:05 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Stallman Talk
In-Reply-To: <1209926345.4045.223.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
References: <4819D818.6020404@gbitsystems.co.uk>
	<1209926345.4045.223.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0805041300i7266a37ci98f15d29c92aa62e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Richard,

Do you know if anyone recorded the event?

Les

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Richard Smedley <smedley358 at btinternet.com>
wrote:

>
> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 15:47 +0100, Simon Willett wrote:
> > Is any one else interested in coming with me?
> >
> > And more importantly,
> >
> > can you confirm that this is the venue?
> > (There was some debate  about this at the lug)
>
> Hello Simon,
>
> Did you enjoy it? It was quite a good talk, but
> the venue was hot and crowded, and the extended questions
> were an unwelcome delay to getting to the beer ;^/
>
>  - Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Sun May  4 20:48:42 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 20:48:42 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Stallman Talk
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0805041300i7266a37ci98f15d29c92aa62e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4819D818.6020404@gbitsystems.co.uk>
	<1209926345.4045.223.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall> 
	<a801c01e0805041300i7266a37ci98f15d29c92aa62e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W534E388DDAD60789E23BE9C5D40@phx.gbl>


Would have loved to have gone, but was working and couldn't afford the time or cost. 

Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 21:00:01 +0100
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com
To: smedley358 at btinternet.com; chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Stallman Talk
CC: 

Hi Richard,

Do you know if anyone recorded the event?

Les

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Richard Smedley <smedley358 at btinternet.com> wrote:



On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 15:47 +0100, Simon Willett wrote:

> Is any one else interested in coming with me?

>

> And more importantly,

>

> can you confirm that this is the venue?

> (There was some debate  about this at the lug)



Hello Simon,



Did you enjoy it? It was quite a good talk, but

the venue was hot and crowded, and the extended questions

were an unwelcome delay to getting to the beer ;^/



 - Richard

























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From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Mon May  5 09:17:18 2008
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 09:17:18 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Stallman Talk
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0805041300i7266a37ci98f15d29c92aa62e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4819D818.6020404@gbitsystems.co.uk>
	<1209926345.4045.223.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
	<a801c01e0805041300i7266a37ci98f15d29c92aa62e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1209979291.5059.11.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>


On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 21:00 +0100, Les Pritchard wrote:
> Do you know if anyone recorded the event?

Yes - there should be video, audio, and text transcription
up soon. I guess details may appear here:
http://manchester.fsuk.org/blog/

Cheers,

 - Richard










From simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk  Mon May  5 09:22:54 2008
From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk (Simon Willett)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 09:22:54 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Stallman Talk
In-Reply-To: <1209926345.4045.223.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
References: <4819D818.6020404@gbitsystems.co.uk>
	<1209926345.4045.223.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
Message-ID: <481ED1E1.1050701@gbitsystems.co.uk>

Hi Richard,
I ended up dipping out in the end.

Sounds like you enjoyed the beer more than the talk? :)
Simon

Richard Smedley wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 15:47 +0100, Simon Willett wrote:
>   
>> Is any one else interested in coming with me? 
>>
>> And more importantly, 
>>
>> can you confirm that this is the venue?
>> (There was some debate  about this at the lug) 
>>     
>
> Hello Simon,
>
> Did you enjoy it? It was quite a good talk, but
> the venue was hot and crowded, and the extended questions
> were an unwelcome delay to getting to the beer ;^/
>
>  - Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Tue May  6 20:58:29 2008
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 20:58:29 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Stallman Talk
Message-ID: <1210107761.5059.123.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>


On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 21:00 +0100, Les Pritchard wrote:
> Do you know if anyone recorded the event?

-------- Forwarded Message --------
From: Tim Dobson <personalwebsite at army.com>
To: slugbug at email-lists.org, linux-users at lists.manchester.ac.uk,
man-lug at lists.manchester.ac.uk, sheflug at sheflug.org.uk
Subject: [SlugBug] Manchester Free Software : RMS Video
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 18:03:30 +0100

==========
RMS Video:
==========

The video of last week's Manchester Free Software, (in collaboration 
with the BCS and IET) talk by Richard Stallman has been released,
thanks 
to Andrew John Hughes.

You can find a torrent and http mirrors for the video on the Manchester 
Free Software Website.
Where possible, please use the torrent. :)

For more information please visit:

http://manchester.fsuk.org/blog/2008/05/06/free-software-in-ethics-and-society-richard-stallman-manchester-1st-may/

Please forward this to any other lists where you think it might be of 
interest.

=============
Next Meeting:
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The next Manchester Free Software Meeting is on the 20th of May at 
Manchester Digital Development Agency.

See you there!

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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Tue May  6 21:05:29 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 21:05:29 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Question: Emulating a leased line
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805061405r4984d54dr42a3e7fca5e37462@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to David's suggestion, we are looking at a RSYNC with GWAVA Reload
(For the novell mail system) and we are getting some nice beefy 12TB boxes
if it all works out ;)

However, I need to test  how rsync will work over a 2MB leased  line. I do
believe there is a way to turn down a 100Mbit link to a 2MB link. Does
anyone know how to do it ?

Cheers

Stuart
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From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Wed May  7 07:03:58 2008
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 07:03:58 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Stallman Talk
In-Reply-To: <481ED1E1.1050701@gbitsystems.co.uk>
References: <4819D818.6020404@gbitsystems.co.uk>
	<1209926345.4045.223.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
	<481ED1E1.1050701@gbitsystems.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1210144102.5059.140.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>


On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 10:22 +0100, Simon Willett wrote:
> I ended up dipping out in the end. 
> 
> Sounds like you enjoyed the beer more than the talk? :) 

The essence of the talk was the same as one I heard in Wales
five years ago, but with lots of contemporary political concerns
thrown in.
However it was the length of the question time afterwards,
and the obtuseness of the questioners, combined with the
heat and closeness of the room, that led to beer being
something of a priority towards the end of the evening ;^)

I'd always recommend going to Stallman's talks to anyone, 
whether they agree with software freedom or not. They
provoke valuable debate, and his talk on software patents
(not given last week) is particularly well-argued.

 - Richard








From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May  7 07:20:34 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (movedx)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 07:20:34 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Question: Emulating a leased line
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805061405r4984d54dr42a3e7fca5e37462@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805061405r4984d54dr42a3e7fca5e37462@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4821583E.1020002@gmail.com>

Stuart Burns wrote:
> Thanks to David's suggestion, we are looking at a RSYNC with GWAVA 
> Reload (For the novell mail system) and we are getting some nice beefy 
> 12TB boxes if it all works out ;)
>
> However, I need to test  how rsync will work over a 2MB leased  line. 
> I do believe there is a way to turn down a 100Mbit link to a 2MB link. 
> Does anyone know how to do it ?
>
> Cheers
>
> Stuart
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>   

Can you not throttle all traffic through a network interface via the 
kernel or perhaps some sort of QoS (Quality of Service) application? 
Maybe even at the router/managed switch level?



From dh at iucr.org  Wed May  7 07:27:06 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 07:27:06 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Question: Emulating a leased line
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805061405r4984d54dr42a3e7fca5e37462@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805061405r4984d54dr42a3e7fca5e37462@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805070826.58616.dh@iucr.org>

On Tuesday 06 May 2008, Stuart Burns wrote:
> Thanks to David's suggestion, we are looking at a RSYNC with GWAVA Reload
> (For the novell mail system) and we are getting some nice beefy 12TB boxes
> if it all works out ;)

good news.

>
> However, I need to test  how rsync will work over a 2MB leased  line. I do
> believe there is a way to turn down a 100Mbit link to a 2MB link. Does
> anyone know how to do it ?


can't really help here but a googling "bandwidth limiting" may be useful. I 
understand linux can do stuff like this see 

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3369

or maybe

http://snad.ncsl.nist.gov/itg/nistnet/

Dave.




>
> Cheers
>
> Stuart



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From dh at iucr.org  Wed May  7 07:29:23 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 07:29:23 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Stallman Talk
In-Reply-To: <1210144102.5059.140.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
References: <4819D818.6020404@gbitsystems.co.uk>
	<481ED1E1.1050701@gbitsystems.co.uk>
	<1210144102.5059.140.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
Message-ID: <200805070829.19513.dh@iucr.org>

On Wednesday 07 May 2008, Richard Smedley wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 10:22 +0100, Simon Willett wrote:
> > I ended up dipping out in the end.
> >
> > Sounds like you enjoyed the beer more than the talk? :)
>
> The essence of the talk was the same as one I heard in Wales
> five years ago, but with lots of contemporary political concerns
> thrown in.
> However it was the length of the question time afterwards,
> and the obtuseness of the questioners, combined with the
> heat and closeness of the room, that led to beer being
> something of a priority towards the end of the evening ;^)
>
> I'd always recommend going to Stallman's talks to anyone,
> whether they agree with software freedom or not. They
> provoke valuable debate, and his talk on software patents
> (not given last week) is particularly well-argued.
>
>  - Richard
>
>

I will add he was in a particularly good mood here, I've seen him give talks 
where you really need balls of still to ask a question for fear of getting 
you head bitten off..

 Dave.





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From simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk  Mon May 12 15:40:42 2008
From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk (Simon Willett)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:40:42 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Laughing all the way to the bank
Message-ID: <001301c8b446$958e9900$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/

 

 

 

 

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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Mon May 12 16:25:18 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:25:18 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Laughing all the way to the bank
In-Reply-To: <001301c8b446$958e9900$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
References: <001301c8b446$958e9900$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W4030CFAE97056EEC7135BBC5CC0@phx.gbl>


LMAO!!

From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:41:02 +0100
Subject: [Chester LUG] Laughing all the way to the bank
















http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/09/windows_xp_sp3_reboots_crashes/

 

 

 

 







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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Tue May 13 14:46:55 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:46:55 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] The rc level question I asked.
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805130746k1e4d1484p47ff891da6ddb92b@mail.gmail.com>

People,

I have the answer, yes indeedie!

As to the question of does it run through all runlevels to get to its final
runlevel the answer is yes.

What happens is this.

It enters the first run level and runs the S* scripts.
As it enters run level 2 it compares what it should have running as opposed
to what is running and issues a K* script if it a service is not required at
that level or an S* script if an unstarted service is required at that item.
Of course all the contents of the folders are links to the sbin folder but
we know that anyhow ;)

How do I know? Just covered it on my online training manual for SuSe. I
really should learn to keep myself from "how does that work" questions.

Stu
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From dh at iucr.org  Tue May 13 14:59:56 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 14:59:56 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] The rc level question I asked.
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805130746k1e4d1484p47ff891da6ddb92b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805130746k1e4d1484p47ff891da6ddb92b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805131600.06744.dh@iucr.org>

On Tuesday 13 May 2008, Stuart Burns wrote:
> People,
>
> I have the answer, yes indeedie!
>
> As to the question of does it run through all runlevels to get to its final
> runlevel the answer is yes.
>
> What happens is this.
>
> It enters the first run level and runs the S* scripts.
> As it enters run level 2 it compares what it should have running as opposed
> to what is running and issues a K* script if it a service is not required
> at that level or an S* script if an unstarted service is required at that
> item. Of course all the contents of the folders are links to the sbin
> folder but we know that anyhow ;)
>
> How do I know? Just covered it on my online training manual for SuSe. I
> really should learn to keep myself from "how does that work" questions.
>
> Stu

If you keep answering them the more the merrier.

Dave.




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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Thu May 15 19:38:32 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 19:38:32 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone.

I need a little help with a batch file. I have managed a bit of it, but i'm
a bit lost now.

What I need to do is


   1. Looks for file RS000001.001 in folder
   2. Rename it RSmmdnnn.001 (mm=month, d= day number {Monday=1},
   nnnn=unique count for the day)

Now this file can appear up to several times a day (ie its going to run as a
cron job every half hour to pick up the files as they are dumped by ftp) I
can do the basic stuff with the date ie DATE = `date +%m%u` but setting up
the nnnn bit is where  I am getting lost.

Any help appreciated.

Stu
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Fri May 16 08:56:17 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:56:17 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805160156g4f24f609y87c9c9a7e5e00054@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried something like `time` to obtain a unique unix time
stamp? Perhaps: mv file `date +%m%u && time`.001

On 5/15/08, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone.
>
> I need a little help with a batch file. I have managed a bit of it, but i'm
> a bit lost now.
>
> What I need to do is
>
>
>    1. Looks for file RS000001.001 in folder
>    2. Rename it RSmmdnnn.001 (mm=month, d= day number {Monday=1},
>    nnnn=unique count for the day)
>
> Now this file can appear up to several times a day (ie its going to run as a
> cron job every half hour to pick up the files as they are dumped by ftp) I
> can do the basic stuff with the date ie DATE = `date +%m%u` but setting up
> the nnnn bit is where  I am getting lost.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Stu
>

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http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/



From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Fri May 16 10:04:26 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:04:26 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805160156g4f24f609y87c9c9a7e5e00054@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25cdb7e0805160156g4f24f609y87c9c9a7e5e00054@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805160304i731456f2y14ade562d3f19fd5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael

That is a good idea. However it needs to be chronologically ordered as the
file numbers are sequential and need to dealt with by the other program in
order. Really good idea though.

Stu

2008/5/16 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:

> Have you tried something like `time` to obtain a unique unix time
> stamp? Perhaps: mv file `date +%m%u && time`.001
>
> On 5/15/08, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone.
> >
> > I need a little help with a batch file. I have managed a bit of it, but
> i'm
> > a bit lost now.
> >
> > What I need to do is
> >
> >
> >    1. Looks for file RS000001.001 in folder
> >    2. Rename it RSmmdnnn.001 (mm=month, d= day number {Monday=1},
> >    nnnn=unique count for the day)
> >
> > Now this file can appear up to several times a day (ie its going to run
> as a
> > cron job every half hour to pick up the files as they are dumped by ftp)
> I
> > can do the basic stuff with the date ie DATE = `date +%m%u` but setting
> up
> > the nnnn bit is where  I am getting lost.
> >
> > Any help appreciated.
> >
> > Stu
> >
>
> --
> Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>
> M. T. Crilly
> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Fri May 16 10:08:45 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:08:45 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805160304i731456f2y14ade562d3f19fd5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25cdb7e0805160156g4f24f609y87c9c9a7e5e00054@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8b7bbcc0805160304i731456f2y14ade562d3f19fd5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805160308n1225e090ka0f255bf67fb43a2@mail.gmail.com>

Does it have to be a cash script? Can it be a c or java app?

On 5/16/08, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Michael
>
> That is a good idea. However it needs to be chronologically ordered as the
> file numbers are sequential and need to dealt with by the other program in
> order. Really good idea though.
>
> Stu
>
> 2008/5/16 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:
>
>> Have you tried something like `time` to obtain a unique unix time
>> stamp? Perhaps: mv file `date +%m%u && time`.001
>>
>> On 5/15/08, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Everyone.
>> >
>> > I need a little help with a batch file. I have managed a bit of it, but
>> i'm
>> > a bit lost now.
>> >
>> > What I need to do is
>> >
>> >
>> >    1. Looks for file RS000001.001 in folder
>> >    2. Rename it RSmmdnnn.001 (mm=month, d= day number {Monday=1},
>> >    nnnn=unique count for the day)
>> >
>> > Now this file can appear up to several times a day (ie its going to run
>> as a
>> > cron job every half hour to pick up the files as they are dumped by ftp)
>> I
>> > can do the basic stuff with the date ie DATE = `date +%m%u` but setting
>> up
>> > the nnnn bit is where  I am getting lost.
>> >
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> >
>> > Stu
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>
>> M. T. Crilly
>> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>

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From r.downing at dl.ac.uk  Fri May 16 10:20:59 2008
From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk (Roger Downing)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:20:59 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805160304i731456f2y14ade562d3f19fd5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25cdb7e0805160156g4f24f609y87c9c9a7e5e00054@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8b7bbcc0805160304i731456f2y14ade562d3f19fd5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805161120.57947.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>

On Friday 16 May 2008 11:04:21 Stuart Burns wrote:
> Hi Michael
>
> That is a good idea. However it needs to be chronologically ordered as the
> file numbers are sequential and need to dealt with by the other program in
> order. Really good idea though.
>
> Stu

To do a loop in bash that counts up an increment you can do something like 
this:

<<< CUT >>>
COUNTER=1
FILENAME=myfile.txt
printf -v INCREMENT "%04d" $COUNTER

while [ -r $FILENAME.$INCREMENT ]
do
        let COUNTER=$COUNTER+1
        printf -v INCREMENT "%04d" $COUNTER
done

# At this point we should have the first number that does not yet exist

echo "Output is $COUNTER"
<<< CUT >>>

Hope this helps!

Cheers,

-- 
Roger Downing
eScience systems administrator
STFC
Daresbury Laboratories
Keckwick Lane
Warrington
WA4 4AD

Tel: 01925 603937
Mbl: 07880 736154



From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Fri May 16 10:49:06 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 10:49:06 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <200805161120.57947.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25cdb7e0805160156g4f24f609y87c9c9a7e5e00054@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8b7bbcc0805160304i731456f2y14ade562d3f19fd5@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805161120.57947.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805160348n7bcdabd5mf591e090dc84a1a8@mail.gmail.com>

Roger, i live just around the corner from the labs! Get me a job there :)

On 5/16/08, Roger Downing <r.downing at dl.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Friday 16 May 2008 11:04:21 Stuart Burns wrote:
>> Hi Michael
>>
>> That is a good idea. However it needs to be chronologically ordered as the
>> file numbers are sequential and need to dealt with by the other program in
>> order. Really good idea though.
>>
>> Stu
>
> To do a loop in bash that counts up an increment you can do something like
> this:
>
> <<< CUT >>>
> COUNTER=1
> FILENAME=myfile.txt
> printf -v INCREMENT "%04d" $COUNTER
>
> while [ -r $FILENAME.$INCREMENT ]
> do
>         let COUNTER=$COUNTER+1
>         printf -v INCREMENT "%04d" $COUNTER
> done
>
> # At this point we should have the first number that does not yet exist
>
> echo "Output is $COUNTER"
> <<< CUT >>>
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Roger Downing
> eScience systems administrator
> STFC
> Daresbury Laboratories
> Keckwick Lane
> Warrington
> WA4 4AD
>
> Tel: 01925 603937
> Mbl: 07880 736154
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>

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From dh at iucr.org  Fri May 16 11:03:18 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:03:18 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805161203.34048.dh@iucr.org>

On Thursday 15 May 2008, Stuart Burns wrote:
> Hi Everyone.
>
> I need a little help with a batch file. I have managed a bit of it, but i'm
> a bit lost now.
>
> What I need to do is
>
>
>    1. Looks for file RS000001.001 in folder
>    2. Rename it RSmmdnnn.001 (mm=month, d= day number {Monday=1},
>    nnnn=unique count for the day)
>
> Now this file can appear up to several times a day (ie its going to run as
> a cron job every half hour to pick up the files as they are dumped by ftp)
> I can do the basic stuff with the date ie DATE = `date +%m%u` but setting
> up the nnnn bit is where  I am getting lost.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Stu

if it needs to chronologically ordered why not just use the hour

 x=`date +%H`
 printf "%03d" $x

or 

 x=`date +%H`
y=`print "%03d" $x`

echo $y



Dave.




Dave.




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From dh at iucr.org  Fri May 16 11:20:00 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 11:20:00 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <200805161203.34048.dh@iucr.org>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805161203.34048.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <200805161220.21993.dh@iucr.org>

On Friday 16 May 2008, David Holden wrote:
> On Thursday 15 May 2008, Stuart Burns wrote:
> > Hi Everyone.
> >
> > I need a little help with a batch file. I have managed a bit of it, but
> > i'm a bit lost now.
> >
> > What I need to do is
> >

>
>  x=`date +%H`
> y=`print "%03d" $x`
   y=`printf "%03d" $x`
>
> echo $y




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From r.downing at dl.ac.uk  Fri May 16 12:19:43 2008
From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk (Roger Downing)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:19:43 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805160348n7bcdabd5mf591e090dc84a1a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805161120.57947.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
	<f25cdb7e0805160348n7bcdabd5mf591e090dc84a1a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805161319.42036.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>

On Friday 16 May 2008 11:48:54 Michael Crilly wrote:
> Roger, i live just around the corner from the labs! Get me a job there :)
>

Heh I'd love to, but we've been hit by the funding crisis for the Science and 
Technology Research Council so we ain't got no cash!

-- 
Roger Downing
eScience systems administrator
STFC
Daresbury Laboratories
Keckwick Lane
Warrington
WA4 4AD

Tel: 01925 603937
Mbl: 07880 736154



From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Fri May 16 12:30:27 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:30:27 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <200805161319.42036.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805161120.57947.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
	<f25cdb7e0805160348n7bcdabd5mf591e090dc84a1a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805161319.42036.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805160530g33be1714webb1674ccba8eb73@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah so i've heard. Shame that. Haven't they just built those labs?

On 5/16/08, Roger Downing <r.downing at dl.ac.uk> wrote:
> On Friday 16 May 2008 11:48:54 Michael Crilly wrote:
>> Roger, i live just around the corner from the labs! Get me a job there :)
>>
>
> Heh I'd love to, but we've been hit by the funding crisis for the Science
> and
> Technology Research Council so we ain't got no cash!
>
> --
> Roger Downing
> eScience systems administrator
> STFC
> Daresbury Laboratories
> Keckwick Lane
> Warrington
> WA4 4AD
>
> Tel: 01925 603937
> Mbl: 07880 736154
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
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From r.downing at dl.ac.uk  Fri May 16 12:43:54 2008
From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk (Roger Downing)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:43:54 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805160530g33be1714webb1674ccba8eb73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805161319.42036.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
	<f25cdb7e0805160530g33be1714webb1674ccba8eb73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805161343.52906.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>

On Friday 16 May 2008 13:30:15 Michael Crilly wrote:
> Yeah so i've heard. Shame that. Haven't they just built those labs?

Ah they're just office blocks really. There is a big rebranding going on to 
make everyone call it the Daresbury Science and Innovation Campus and quietly 
retire the Daresbury Laboratories name. The labs remain but the amount of 
science being done here is declining, and when they switch off the 
synchrotron in August there will be no large scientific facilities left here. 
Many suspect that that will sound the death knell for the lab.

However, the campus will continue on! Northwest Development Agency wants 
10_000 people working onsite by 2010, shame that none of them will be the 
current staff or even scientists.

Must stop ranting, I could go on about this for hours!

-- 
Roger Downing
eScience systems administrator
STFC
Daresbury Laboratories
Keckwick Lane
Warrington
WA4 4AD

Tel: 01925 603937
Mbl: 07880 736154



From movedx at googlemail.com  Fri May 16 08:41:46 2008
From: movedx at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 08:41:46 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805160141v11ebf671yc12093009dde6789@mail.gmail.com>

For the day count, use `time` to get a unix time stamp if you need
something unique?

On 5/15/08, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone.
>
> I need a little help with a batch file. I have managed a bit of it, but i'm
> a bit lost now.
>
> What I need to do is
>
>
>    1. Looks for file RS000001.001 in folder
>    2. Rename it RSmmdnnn.001 (mm=month, d= day number {Monday=1},
>    nnnn=unique count for the day)
>
> Now this file can appear up to several times a day (ie its going to run as a
> cron job every half hour to pick up the files as they are dumped by ftp) I
> can do the basic stuff with the date ie DATE = `date +%m%u` but setting up
> the nnnn bit is where  I am getting lost.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Stu
>

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From simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk  Fri May 16 09:38:12 2008
From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk (Simon Willett)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:38:12 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c8b738$9afd4400$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>

Hi Stuart, 

 

A hack would be; 

 

COUNT=`ls RSmmd*001 | wc -w`  

COUNT=`expr $COUNT + 1`

# COUNT now contains the number of files of type RSmmd + 1 

 

But you should really be using date +%Y%m%d you actually do want to pre-zero
the day, and you should also include the year, otherwise the process breaks
come the year end. 

 

 

Hope this helps,

Simon

  _____  

From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Stuart Burns
Sent: 15 May 2008 20:38
To: chester
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script

 

Hi Everyone.

I need a little help with a batch file. I have managed a bit of it, but i'm
a bit lost now. 

What I need to do is

1.	Looks for file RS000001.001 in folder  
2.	Rename it RSmmdnnn.001 (mm=month, d= day number {Monday=1},
nnnn=unique count for the day)

Now this file can appear up to several times a day (ie its going to run as a
cron job every half hour to pick up the files as they are dumped by ftp) I
can do the basic stuff with the date ie DATE = `date +%m%u` but setting up
the nnnn bit is where  I am getting lost.

Any help appreciated.

Stu

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Fri May 16 13:51:35 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 13:51:35 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <000001c8b738$9afd4400$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c8b738$9afd4400$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805160651i1d504aa4uf0e529ba19520392@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with simon. Date would be better and it would make
organisation easier. What does this for contain, by the way? What's it
for, out of interest? Is it all the money you're filtering from the
companies tea and coffee funds? :P

On 5/16/08, Simon Willett <simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Stuart,
>
>
>
> A hack would be;
>
>
>
> COUNT=`ls RSmmd*001 | wc -w`
>
> COUNT=`expr $COUNT + 1`
>
> # COUNT now contains the number of files of type RSmmd + 1
>
>
>
> But you should really be using date +%Y%m%d you actually do want to pre-zero
> the day, and you should also include the year, otherwise the process breaks
> come the year end.
>
>
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Simon
>
>   _____
>
> From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> [mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Stuart Burns
> Sent: 15 May 2008 20:38
> To: chester
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
>
>
>
> Hi Everyone.
>
> I need a little help with a batch file. I have managed a bit of it, but i'm
> a bit lost now.
>
> What I need to do is
>
> 1.	Looks for file RS000001.001 in folder
> 2.	Rename it RSmmdnnn.001 (mm=month, d= day number {Monday=1},
> nnnn=unique count for the day)
>
> Now this file can appear up to several times a day (ie its going to run as a
> cron job every half hour to pick up the files as they are dumped by ftp) I
> can do the basic stuff with the date ie DATE = `date +%m%u` but setting up
> the nnnn bit is where  I am getting lost.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Stu
>
>

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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Fri May 16 14:27:41 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:27:41 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805160651i1d504aa4uf0e529ba19520392@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c8b738$9afd4400$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
	<f25cdb7e0805160651i1d504aa4uf0e529ba19520392@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805160727q7144132alf7408bcb3216e3f7@mail.gmail.com>

Lol, The money for the tea and coffee funds, easier to use the blank cheques
lying around ;)

No, the purpose is to act as a (poor) interface between a MUMPS (aka Cache
Intersystems) DB and an IBM iSeries.

The files concern stock that needs to be reserved and passed from the
iSeries to the MUMPS system. So basically the iSeries drops a text file at
random intervals onto the FTP server and then the FTP server via the batch
script translates it into the correct format.

However I have discovered that numbering, as long as it is mmdxxxx where x
is unique, is fine. The RS at the beginning has special meaning in as much
as it is indicates a certain type of transaction. I therefore got the
required level of uniqueness by tacking %N on the end of the date var.

The final code I came up with (yet to be tested) is

mount //10.0.0.133/mumps /mnt/mumps -o username=xxx,xxx
cd /home/myftpusername/
DATE=`date +%m%u%N`
mv RS000001.001 RS$DATE.001
cp RS$DATE.001 Reserve/Backup/
mv RS$DATE.001 /mnt/mumps/DATA/DATA_OUT/
umount /mnt/mumps

And thanks to everyone who suggested an answer. I will have to take a look
at printf - looks a powerful command!



2008/5/16 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:

> I agree with simon. Date would be better and it would make
> organisation easier. What does this for contain, by the way? What's it
> for, out of interest? Is it all the money you're filtering from the
> companies tea and coffee funds? :P
>
> On 5/16/08, Simon Willett <simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk> wrote:
> > Hi Stuart,
> >
> >
> >
> > A hack would be;
> >
> >
> >
> > COUNT=`ls RSmmd*001 | wc -w`
> >
> > COUNT=`expr $COUNT + 1`
> >
> > # COUNT now contains the number of files of type RSmmd + 1
> >
> >
> >
> > But you should really be using date +%Y%m%d you actually do want to
> pre-zero
> > the day, and you should also include the year, otherwise the process
> breaks
> > come the year end.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >   _____
> >
> > From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > [mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Stuart Burns
> > Sent: 15 May 2008 20:38
> > To: chester
> > Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Everyone.
> >
> > I need a little help with a batch file. I have managed a bit of it, but
> i'm
> > a bit lost now.
> >
> > What I need to do is
> >
> > 1.    Looks for file RS000001.001 in folder
> > 2.    Rename it RSmmdnnn.001 (mm=month, d= day number {Monday=1},
> > nnnn=unique count for the day)
> >
> > Now this file can appear up to several times a day (ie its going to run
> as a
> > cron job every half hour to pick up the files as they are dumped by ftp)
> I
> > can do the basic stuff with the date ie DATE = `date +%m%u` but setting
> up
> > the nnnn bit is where  I am getting lost.
> >
> > Any help appreciated.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> >
>
> --
> Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>
> M. T. Crilly
> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Fri May 16 14:49:37 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 14:49:37 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805160727q7144132alf7408bcb3216e3f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c8b738$9afd4400$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
	<f25cdb7e0805160651i1d504aa4uf0e529ba19520392@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8b7bbcc0805160727q7144132alf7408bcb3216e3f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805160749u2065d671s1107d2ace0235213@mail.gmail.com>

And people, this is the kicker. It was previously (well still is till code
is proved working) running windows 95 on a p2 300 workstation with a
temperamental disk and the first q I was asked was will is will it be more
stable and secure. I had to stiffle my snigger ;)

2008/5/16 Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>:

> Lol, The money for the tea and coffee funds, easier to use the blank
> cheques lying around ;)
>
> No, the purpose is to act as a (poor) interface between a MUMPS (aka Cache
> Intersystems) DB and an IBM iSeries.
>
> The files concern stock that needs to be reserved and passed from the
> iSeries to the MUMPS system. So basically the iSeries drops a text file at
> random intervals onto the FTP server and then the FTP server via the batch
> script translates it into the correct format.
>
> However I have discovered that numbering, as long as it is mmdxxxx where x
> is unique, is fine. The RS at the beginning has special meaning in as much
> as it is indicates a certain type of transaction. I therefore got the
> required level of uniqueness by tacking %N on the end of the date var.
>
> The final code I came up with (yet to be tested) is
>
> mount //10.0.0.133/mumps /mnt/mumps -o username=xxx,xxx
> cd /home/myftpusername/
> DATE=`date +%m%u%N`
> mv RS000001.001 RS$DATE.001
> cp RS$DATE.001 Reserve/Backup/
> mv RS$DATE.001 /mnt/mumps/DATA/DATA_OUT/
> umount /mnt/mumps
>
> And thanks to everyone who suggested an answer. I will have to take a look
> at printf - looks a powerful command!
>
>
>
> 2008/5/16 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:
>
>> I agree with simon. Date would be better and it would make
>>
>> organisation easier. What does this for contain, by the way? What's it
>> for, out of interest? Is it all the money you're filtering from the
>> companies tea and coffee funds? :P
>>
>> On 5/16/08, Simon Willett <simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Hi Stuart,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A hack would be;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > COUNT=`ls RSmmd*001 | wc -w`
>> >
>> > COUNT=`expr $COUNT + 1`
>> >
>> > # COUNT now contains the number of files of type RSmmd + 1
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > But you should really be using date +%Y%m%d you actually do want to
>> pre-zero
>> > the day, and you should also include the year, otherwise the process
>> breaks
>> > come the year end.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hope this helps,
>> >
>> > Simon
>> >
>> >   _____
>> >
>> > From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > [mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Stuart Burns
>> > Sent: 15 May 2008 20:38
>> > To: chester
>> > Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Everyone.
>> >
>> > I need a little help with a batch file. I have managed a bit of it, but
>> i'm
>> > a bit lost now.
>> >
>> > What I need to do is
>> >
>> > 1.    Looks for file RS000001.001 in folder
>> > 2.    Rename it RSmmdnnn.001 (mm=month, d= day number {Monday=1},
>> > nnnn=unique count for the day)
>> >
>> > Now this file can appear up to several times a day (ie its going to run
>> as a
>> > cron job every half hour to pick up the files as they are dumped by ftp)
>> I
>> > can do the basic stuff with the date ie DATE = `date +%m%u` but setting
>> up
>> > the nnnn bit is where  I am getting lost.
>> >
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> >
>> > Stu
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>
>> M. T. Crilly
>> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
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From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:21:30 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805160727q7144132alf7408bcb3216e3f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805151238o7515599ay7682fdb214e8e1f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c8b738$9afd4400$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
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	<b8b7bbcc0805160727q7144132alf7408bcb3216e3f7@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah that is indeed a poor way of going about that. At least you got your
problems sorted, though I'd probably write something a bit more complex to
back the file up somewhere chronologically , and I'd likely do it in Java or
PHP and have an SQLite DB to store details of backs ups an activity so I can
easily see what's going on, why, when and where... but that's me :P

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Lol, The money for the tea and coffee funds, easier to use the blank
> cheques lying around ;)
>
> No, the purpose is to act as a (poor) interface between a MUMPS (aka Cache
> Intersystems) DB and an IBM iSeries.
>
> The files concern stock that needs to be reserved and passed from the
> iSeries to the MUMPS system. So basically the iSeries drops a text file at
> random intervals onto the FTP server and then the FTP server via the batch
> script translates it into the correct format.
>
> However I have discovered that numbering, as long as it is mmdxxxx where x
> is unique, is fine. The RS at the beginning has special meaning in as much
> as it is indicates a certain type of transaction. I therefore got the
> required level of uniqueness by tacking %N on the end of the date var.
>
> The final code I came up with (yet to be tested) is
>
> mount //10.0.0.133/mumps /mnt/mumps -o username=xxx,xxx
> cd /home/myftpusername/
> DATE=`date +%m%u%N`
> mv RS000001.001 RS$DATE.001
> cp RS$DATE.001 Reserve/Backup/
> mv RS$DATE.001 /mnt/mumps/DATA/DATA_OUT/
> umount /mnt/mumps
>
> And thanks to everyone who suggested an answer. I will have to take a look
> at printf - looks a powerful command!
>
>
>
> 2008/5/16 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:
>
>> I agree with simon. Date would be better and it would make
>>
>> organisation easier. What does this for contain, by the way? What's it
>> for, out of interest? Is it all the money you're filtering from the
>> companies tea and coffee funds? :P
>>
>> On 5/16/08, Simon Willett <simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Hi Stuart,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A hack would be;
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > COUNT=`ls RSmmd*001 | wc -w`
>> >
>> > COUNT=`expr $COUNT + 1`
>> >
>> > # COUNT now contains the number of files of type RSmmd + 1
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > But you should really be using date +%Y%m%d you actually do want to
>> pre-zero
>> > the day, and you should also include the year, otherwise the process
>> breaks
>> > come the year end.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hope this helps,
>> >
>> > Simon
>> >
>> >   _____
>> >
>> > From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > [mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Stuart Burns
>> > Sent: 15 May 2008 20:38
>> > To: chester
>> > Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Everyone.
>> >
>> > I need a little help with a batch file. I have managed a bit of it, but
>> i'm
>> > a bit lost now.
>> >
>> > What I need to do is
>> >
>> > 1.    Looks for file RS000001.001 in folder
>> > 2.    Rename it RSmmdnnn.001 (mm=month, d= day number {Monday=1},
>> > nnnn=unique count for the day)
>> >
>> > Now this file can appear up to several times a day (ie its going to run
>> as a
>> > cron job every half hour to pick up the files as they are dumped by ftp)
>> I
>> > can do the basic stuff with the date ie DATE = `date +%m%u` but setting
>> up
>> > the nnnn bit is where  I am getting lost.
>> >
>> > Any help appreciated.
>> >
>> > Stu
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>
>> M. T. Crilly
>> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Sun May 18 20:08:46 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:08:46 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805181308qb41115eh8597e638e24a31b8@mail.gmail.com>

I want a screenshot of everyone's desktop... right now! GO! Let's see how
messy or tidy you are :P

http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/dump/imgs/latest-ss.png - this is mine!

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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Sun May 18 20:36:05 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 20:36:05 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805181308qb41115eh8597e638e24a31b8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f25cdb7e0805181308qb41115eh8597e638e24a31b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W500B8B482A48455648693FC5CA0@phx.gbl>


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/heiowge/Screenshot-1.png

Caught me watching a film!

Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:08:39 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS

I want a screenshot of everyone's desktop... right now! GO! Let's see how messy or tidy you are :P

http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/dump/imgs/latest-ss.png - this is mine!

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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Sun May 18 21:09:13 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:09:13 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Post a picky of yourself
Message-ID: <BAY110-W352B778BE23371356B6AFFC5CA0@phx.gbl>


I'm crap at faces!  I took 6 months to learn the names of the kids I taught one year.  I have to admit, even though I can picture nearly every one of you, can I put name to face for everyone?  Can I b*******!

Then I thought...  what about all the people who join up?  They might have the same problem.  Wouldn't it be good to have a link to pages where they can see pics of all the regulars?

So I thought I'd start.  Then I found I have very few pics of myself on the PC.  So here's one on my wedding day 5 years ago (and several pounds lighter then, as well as long haired!)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/heiowge/Paul.jpg

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Sun May 18 22:15:46 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:15:46 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W500B8B482A48455648693FC5CA0@phx.gbl>
References: <f25cdb7e0805181308qb41115eh8597e638e24a31b8@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh I see you're watching a legal copy of Ironman there... ;p

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>  http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/heiowge/Screenshot-1.png
>
> Caught me watching a film!
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:08:39 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
>
>
> I want a screenshot of everyone's desktop... right now! GO! Let's see how
> messy or tidy you are :P
>
> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/dump/imgs/latest-ss.png - this is mine!
>
> --
> M. T. Crilly
> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Sun May 18 22:18:19 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:18:19 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805181515v23541fe6ubd98377afe88710d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f25cdb7e0805181308qb41115eh8597e638e24a31b8@mail.gmail.com>
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Didn't like to mention that one ;)

And I can't show you my screen because it is showing my bank details, with
lack of cash too, until payday.;)

2008/5/18 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:

> Oh I see you're watching a legal copy of Ironman there... ;p
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>  http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/heiowge/Screenshot-1.png
>>
>> Caught me watching a film!
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:08:39 +0100
>> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> Subject: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
>>
>>
>> I want a screenshot of everyone's desktop... right now! GO! Let's see how
>> messy or tidy you are :P
>>
>> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/dump/imgs/latest-ss.png - this is mine!
>>
>> --
>> M. T. Crilly
>> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Sun May 18 22:18:27 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:18:27 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Post a picky of yourself
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W352B778BE23371356B6AFFC5CA0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W352B778BE23371356B6AFFC5CA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805181518p719bf931rca3fec9ab9cb41cd@mail.gmail.com>

Whoa! Paul, we want to ATTRACT new members to the mailing list, which is why
I aint posting my picture (yet) - it's a good idea though :)

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>  I'm crap at faces!  I took 6 months to learn the names of the kids I
> taught one year.  I have to admit, even though I can picture nearly every
> one of you, can I put name to face for everyone?  Can I b*******!
>
> Then I thought...  what about all the people who join up?  They might have
> the same problem.  Wouldn't it be good to have a link to pages where they
> can see pics of all the regulars?
>
> So I thought I'd start.  Then I found I have very few pics of myself on the
> PC.  So here's one on my wedding day 5 years ago (and several pounds lighter
> then, as well as long haired!)
>
> http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/heiowge/Paul.jpg
>
> ------------------------------
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From dh at iucr.org  Mon May 19 09:38:44 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:38:44 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] you've got to laugh
Message-ID: <200805191039.10804.dh@iucr.org>


Hello,

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/Five%20Misunderstood%20Features%20in%20Windows%20Vista.pdf

as debated here

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/05/16/please_dont_let_me_be_misunderstood_microsoft_pleads_for_vista.html

Dave.




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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Mon May 19 09:49:02 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:49:02 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] you've got to laugh
In-Reply-To: <200805191039.10804.dh@iucr.org>
References: <200805191039.10804.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W50347AA3736A555EF44C5AC5C50@phx.gbl>


Sounds like a case of MS saying:  You're too thick to realise that what we're doing is in our - I mean your best interest!  So put up and shut up.

> From: dh at iucr.org
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:39:10 +0100
> Subject: [Chester LUG] you've got to laugh
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/Five%20Misunderstood%20Features%20in%20Windows%20Vista.pdf
> 
> as debated here
> 
> http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/05/16/please_dont_let_me_be_misunderstood_microsoft_pleads_for_vista.html
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. David Holden.
> 
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> regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
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From simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk  Mon May 19 09:59:22 2008
From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk (Simon Willett)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:59:22 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] you've got to laugh
In-Reply-To: <200805191039.10804.dh@iucr.org>
References: <200805191039.10804.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <003701c8b997$0f3bd9c0$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>

This is really very funny. 



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From: chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:chester-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of David Holden
Sent: 19 May 2008 10:39
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [Chester LUG] you've got to laugh


Hello,

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/Five%20Misunderstood%20Features%20in%
20Windows%20Vista.pdf

as debated here

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/05/16/please_dont_let_me_be_misu
nderstood_microsoft_pleads_for_vista.html

Dave.




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From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Tue May 20 06:48:41 2008
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 06:48:41 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] [Fwd: [Fsfe-uk] Reminder: Manchester Free Software
	Talk: Richard Rothwell, M6-IT, 20th May 2008]
Message-ID: <1211266384.19816.20.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>


-------- Forwarded Message --------

Who?
====

Richard Rothwell from M6-IT Community Interest Company - "Software 
Freedom for the Education and Voluntary Sector" - http://m6-it.org

http://www.m6-it.org/author/RichardR

When?
=====

7pm, Tuesday 20th May 2008

If you're coming, please feel free to add yourself to the FSF Groups
wiki page:-

http://groups.fsf.org/index.php/Manchester/2008-05-20

What?
=====

Sustainable Education Solutions

Schools and students have been caught up in a cycle of computer
replacement and upgrade for the past two decades.  The development of
free software solutions offers a route out of this cycle.  The talk
will cover potential free software solutions for schools and families
to setup sustainable solutions that will enable them to concentrate on
their key purpose - that of educating the individual.  The
applicability of these solutions for community organisations will be
discussed.

Two key projects will be covered in detail: the installation of an
extensive LTSP (Linux Terminal Server Project) system at Handsworth
Grammar School and the Families On-Line project in Nottingham, where
the regeneration funding is being used to provide computers, with free
software, and an Internet connection to socially excluded families.
Mention will also be made of the Birmingham Friends of the Earth
smaller LTSP network.

Where?
======

Manchester Digital Development Agency (MDDA)
Lower Ground Floor
117-119 Portland Street
Manchester
M1 6ED

http://www.manchesterdda.com/directions/

Access to MDDA is via the doorbells in the entranceway. Wheelchair 
access via a lift is available.

MDDA provide complimentary Fair Trade tea and coffee.

Why?
====

>From http://manchester.fsuk.org/blog/about/ :

Manchester Free Software was formed in response to a growing apparent 
need for a group based in the Manchester area that focuses on free 
software and GNU/Linux primarily, but also on issues such as Digital 
Restrictions Management and other issues which infringe on the freedoms 
of computer users. Anybody is welcome to the meetings, but you will be 
particularly interested in the meetings if you are interested in the 
activities of the Free Software Foundation, GNU Project, League for 
Programming Freedom and the GNU/Linux operating system.

Dave




From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Tue May 20 08:48:41 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:48:41 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805200148o1b086c28u3a216b9af5a875e7@mail.gmail.com>

We all know how he likes to throw things. Now he is the target!

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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Tue May 20 09:32:29 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:32:29 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805200148o1b086c28u3a216b9af5a875e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805200148o1b086c28u3a216b9af5a875e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W36CB3DFB3AFD51617B5BC2C5C40@phx.gbl>


I nearly fell off my seat with those two!

Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:48:38 +0100
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!

We all know how he likes to throw things. Now he is the target!

http://gizmodo.com/391736/steve-ballmer-egged-in-hungary


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From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Tue May 20 11:56:53 2008
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:56:53 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] [Fwd: [Fsfe-uk] Reminder: Manchester Free
	Software	Talk: Richard Rothwell, M6-IT,
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W3ED1D5BECC0D458D78D6AC5C40@phx.gbl>
References: <1211266384.19816.20.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
	<BAY110-W3ED1D5BECC0D458D78D6AC5C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1211284875.19816.44.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>


On Tue, 2008-05-20 at 08:15 +0000, Paul Williams wrote:
> Wish I'd known about this a week ago.  I'm in education, and would
> have loved to go, but too short notice.

Hello Paul,

You'll have to get on the Manchester Free Software [0] list [1],
they have interesting speakers (though always on Tues, which is 
not good for me).

Schoolforge-UK [2] and its list [3] is another source of useful 
info.

Regards,

 - Richard

[0] http://manchester.fsuk.org/blog/
[1] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsuk-manchester
[2] http://schoolforge.org.uk/index.php/Main_Page
[3] http://groups.google.com/group/sf-uk-discuss?hl=en











From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Tue May 20 13:02:16 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:02:16 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W36CB3DFB3AFD51617B5BC2C5C40@phx.gbl>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805200148o1b086c28u3a216b9af5a875e7@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805200602r3c36f007nc6ab16ec6fa15323@mail.gmail.com>

Why just throw eggs? I'd have thrown Ubuntu dvd's it him.

On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I nearly fell off my seat with those two!
>
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:48:38 +0100
> From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
>
> We all know how he likes to throw things. Now he is the target!
>
> http://gizmodo.com/391736/steve-ballmer-egged-in-hungary
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/

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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Tue May 20 13:03:24 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:03:24 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805200602r3c36f007nc6ab16ec6fa15323@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805200148o1b086c28u3a216b9af5a875e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W36CB3DFB3AFD51617B5BC2C5C40@phx.gbl> 
	<f25cdb7e0805200602r3c36f007nc6ab16ec6fa15323@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W165669FF478255777A8F61C5C40@phx.gbl>




> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:02:06 +0100
I bet it'd have been more fun with darts!

> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
> 
> Why just throw eggs? I'd have thrown Ubuntu dvd's it him.
> 
> On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > I nearly fell off my seat with those two!
> >
> > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:48:38 +0100
> > From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
> >
> > We all know how he likes to throw things. Now he is the target!
> >
> > http://gizmodo.com/391736/steve-ballmer-egged-in-hungary
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> >
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/
> 
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Tue May 20 13:21:52 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:21:52 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W165669FF478255777A8F61C5C40@phx.gbl>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805200148o1b086c28u3a216b9af5a875e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W36CB3DFB3AFD51617B5BC2C5C40@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805200621t2fa7146evc87016d4c3758878@mail.gmail.com>

Let's come to an agreement, what about ubuntu branded darts?

On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:02:06 +0100
> I bet it'd have been more fun with darts!
>
>> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
>>
>> Why just throw eggs? I'd have thrown Ubuntu dvd's it him.
>>
>> On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > I nearly fell off my seat with those two!
>> >
>> > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:48:38 +0100
>> > From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com
>> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
>> >
>> > We all know how he likes to throw things. Now he is the target!
>> >
>> > http://gizmodo.com/391736/steve-ballmer-egged-in-hungary
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Tue May 20 13:37:17 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:37:17 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805200621t2fa7146evc87016d4c3758878@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805200148o1b086c28u3a216b9af5a875e7@mail.gmail.com>
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How about Kubuntu branded?  Those metal cogs look a but heavier!!

> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:21:35 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
> 
> Let's come to an agreement, what about ubuntu branded darts?
> 
> On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:02:06 +0100
> > I bet it'd have been more fun with darts!
> >
> >> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
> >>
> >> Why just throw eggs? I'd have thrown Ubuntu dvd's it him.
> >>
> >> On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I nearly fell off my seat with those two!
> >> >
> >> > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:48:38 +0100
> >> > From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com
> >> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> > Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
> >> >
> >> > We all know how he likes to throw things. Now he is the target!
> >> >
> >> > http://gizmodo.com/391736/steve-ballmer-egged-in-hungary
> >> >
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Tue May 20 14:31:04 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:31:04 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
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References: <b8b7bbcc0805200148o1b086c28u3a216b9af5a875e7@mail.gmail.com>
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Surely suse would be the best option, ubuntu only comes on the one CD, with
suse you could maintain a bit of rapid fire with all the CDs it comes one.

Plus it wouldn't be a great loss if they got scratched :-P

only joking - I love all the distros equally ;-)

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>  How about Kubuntu branded?  Those metal cogs look a but heavier!!
>
> > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:21:35 +0100
>
> > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
> >
> > Let's come to an agreement, what about ubuntu branded darts?
> >
> > On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:02:06 +0100
> > > I bet it'd have been more fun with darts!
> > >
> > >> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
> > >>
> > >> Why just throw eggs? I'd have thrown Ubuntu dvd's it him.
> > >>
> > >> On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > I nearly fell off my seat with those two!
> > >> >
> > >> > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:48:38 +0100
> > >> > From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com
> > >> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > >> > Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
> > >> >
> > >> > We all know how he likes to throw things. Now he is the target!
> > >> >
> > >> > http://gizmodo.com/391736/steve-ballmer-egged-in-hungary
> > >> >
> > >> >
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Tue May 20 14:40:49 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:40:49 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Post a picky of yourself
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805181518p719bf931rca3fec9ab9cb41cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W352B778BE23371356B6AFFC5CA0@phx.gbl>
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Actually I was thinking the other day about adding some pages where we can
list the technology / distros etc we each use as it could be useful when
someone has a question.  I think I'd make it a protected access site only
open to people on the mailing lists.

Photos would be optional!!  But I thought it was a nice way of seeing what
everyone's interested in.  What does everyone think?

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>
wrote:

> Whoa! Paul, we want to ATTRACT new members to the mailing list, which is
> why I aint posting my picture (yet) - it's a good idea though :)
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>  I'm crap at faces!  I took 6 months to learn the names of the kids I
>> taught one year.  I have to admit, even though I can picture nearly every
>> one of you, can I put name to face for everyone?  Can I b*******!
>>
>> Then I thought...  what about all the people who join up?  They might have
>> the same problem.  Wouldn't it be good to have a link to pages where they
>> can see pics of all the regulars?
>>
>> So I thought I'd start.  Then I found I have very few pics of myself on
>> the PC.  So here's one on my wedding day 5 years ago (and several pounds
>> lighter then, as well as long haired!)
>>
>> http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/heiowge/Paul.jpg
>>
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Tue May 20 14:43:10 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:43:10 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Distros for the eeepc
Message-ID: <BAY110-W41C0628BFA03E8C59B127FC5C40@phx.gbl>


Hi guys.  time for an update.

Ubuntu on the eeepc died a death.  It took ages to get it on my sdhc card, as my 2g model cant fit the distro on the 2gb ssd.  I couldn't be bothered to go through all the hastle of putting it back on -not when Xandros cent back on in 12 minutes!

Still, it leaves me with a distro I'm not too keen on, that isn't really supported by asus (all the packages seem geared towards the 4g model).

What I'm after is a distro that is small, and will leave me with plenty of space on the ssd (supplied version of xandros is 1.6 GB installed - 2.3 on the 4 g model tho.).

I need one that is easy to install (pref simple graphical installer), and updated regularly, with good support.

I looked at Puppy linux, but there's no guarantees that it'll work.  I heard about pupeee linux, which is puppy for the eeepc, but I couldn't seem to find a full iso, just a bunch of files.

Any ideas (remember, newbie here, please keep it simple!)

Ta

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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Tue May 20 14:43:46 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:43:46 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Post a picky of yourself
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0805200740q19e50d22x77bc7963e03e14b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W352B778BE23371356B6AFFC5CA0@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805181518p719bf931rca3fec9ab9cb41cd@mail.gmail.com> 
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Got my vote.

Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:40:46 +0100
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Post a picky of yourself

Actually I was thinking the other day about adding some pages where we can list the technology / distros etc we each use as it could be useful when someone has a question.  I think I'd make it a protected access site only open to people on the mailing lists.


Photos would be optional!!  But I thought it was a nice way of seeing what everyone's interested in.  What does everyone think?

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk> wrote:

Whoa! Paul, we want to ATTRACT new members to the mailing list, which is why I aint posting my picture (yet) - it's a good idea though :)


On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:






I'm crap at faces!  I took 6 months to learn the names of the kids I taught one year.  I have to admit, even though I can picture nearly every one of you, can I put name to face for everyone?  Can I b*******!



Then I thought...  what about all the people who join up?  They might have the same problem.  Wouldn't it be good to have a link to pages where they can see pics of all the regulars?

So I thought I'd start.  Then I found I have very few pics of myself on the PC.  So here's one on my wedding day 5 years ago (and several pounds lighter then, as well as long haired!)



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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Tue May 20 14:47:15 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:47:15 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Steve Ballmer gets a little karma!
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805200148o1b086c28u3a216b9af5a875e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805200148o1b086c28u3a216b9af5a875e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805200747w2451d009xbddd84822afb322d@mail.gmail.com>

Ha ha!

On 5/20/08, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
> We all know how he likes to throw things. Now he is the target!
>
> *http://gizmodo.com/391736/steve-ballmer-egged-in-hungary*
>

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Tue May 20 14:51:48 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:51:48 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Distros for the eeepc
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W41C0628BFA03E8C59B127FC5C40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W41C0628BFA03E8C59B127FC5C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805200751y7d597479x5b5a823a6cd287b@mail.gmail.com>

I was thinking gentoo on a live cd. Not for newbies, but you'd learn a
lot during the installation. It's small and very customizable.

On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi guys.  time for an update.
>
> Ubuntu on the eeepc died a death.  It took ages to get it on my sdhc card,
> as my 2g model cant fit the distro on the 2gb ssd.  I couldn't be bothered
> to go through all the hastle of putting it back on -not when Xandros cent
> back on in 12 minutes!
>
> Still, it leaves me with a distro I'm not too keen on, that isn't really
> supported by asus (all the packages seem geared towards the 4g model).
>
> What I'm after is a distro that is small, and will leave me with plenty of
> space on the ssd (supplied version of xandros is 1.6 GB installed - 2.3 on
> the 4 g model tho.).
>
> I need one that is easy to install (pref simple graphical installer), and
> updated regularly, with good support.
>
> I looked at Puppy linux, but there's no guarantees that it'll work.  I heard
> about pupeee linux, which is puppy for the eeepc, but I couldn't seem to
> find a full iso, just a bunch of files.
>
> Any ideas (remember, newbie here, please keep it simple!)
>
> Ta
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Tue May 20 14:55:14 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:55:14 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Post a picky of yourself
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0805200740q19e50d22x77bc7963e03e14b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W352B778BE23371356B6AFFC5CA0@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805181518p719bf931rca3fec9ab9cb41cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0805200740q19e50d22x77bc7963e03e14b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805200755v52eac7b4nba9809f56a9ec7e0@mail.gmail.com>

A good idea. As you say it allows people to see what experience we
have with what hardware etc.

On 5/20/08, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually I was thinking the other day about adding some pages where we can
> list the technology / distros etc we each use as it could be useful when
> someone has a question.  I think I'd make it a protected access site only
> open to people on the mailing lists.
>
> Photos would be optional!!  But I thought it was a nice way of seeing what
> everyone's interested in.  What does everyone think?
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Whoa! Paul, we want to ATTRACT new members to the mailing list, which is
>> why I aint posting my picture (yet) - it's a good idea though :)
>>
>> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I'm crap at faces!  I took 6 months to learn the names of the kids I
>>> taught one year.  I have to admit, even though I can picture nearly every
>>> one of you, can I put name to face for everyone?  Can I b*******!
>>>
>>> Then I thought...  what about all the people who join up?  They might
>>> have
>>> the same problem.  Wouldn't it be good to have a link to pages where they
>>> can see pics of all the regulars?
>>>
>>> So I thought I'd start.  Then I found I have very few pics of myself on
>>> the PC.  So here's one on my wedding day 5 years ago (and several pounds
>>> lighter then, as well as long haired!)
>>>
>>> http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/heiowge/Paul.jpg
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
>>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000005ukm/direct/01/>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chester mailing list
>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Tue May 20 14:57:00 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:57:00 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Distros for the eeepc
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805200751y7d597479x5b5a823a6cd287b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W41C0628BFA03E8C59B127FC5C40@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805200751y7d597479x5b5a823a6cd287b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0805200756h5ba7d2c3sb0324134183bdf47@mail.gmail.com>

I've always found Damn Small Linux to be a very nice mini-distro.  DSL-N has
the 2.6 kernel and apparently it works with the eeepc.  It doesn't come with
a load of applications installed, but you can add them to the very small
footprint (talking couple hundred megs).  You can boot it off a usb stick or
CD to give it a go first.  Installation isn't that graphical, but there
isn't much to it.  You could always bring it along to the next LUG and we
could help if you like the look of the live cd version.

Have a look at it here:
http://damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-n/

(can you tell that I'm using a few precious minutes plowing through my
emails whilst waiting for a meeting to start?!)

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>
wrote:

> I was thinking gentoo on a live cd. Not for newbies, but you'd learn a
> lot during the installation. It's small and very customizable.
>
> On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys.  time for an update.
> >
> > Ubuntu on the eeepc died a death.  It took ages to get it on my sdhc
> card,
> > as my 2g model cant fit the distro on the 2gb ssd.  I couldn't be
> bothered
> > to go through all the hastle of putting it back on -not when Xandros cent
> > back on in 12 minutes!
> >
> > Still, it leaves me with a distro I'm not too keen on, that isn't really
> > supported by asus (all the packages seem geared towards the 4g model).
> >
> > What I'm after is a distro that is small, and will leave me with plenty
> of
> > space on the ssd (supplied version of xandros is 1.6 GB installed - 2.3
> on
> > the 4 g model tho.).
> >
> > I need one that is easy to install (pref simple graphical installer), and
> > updated regularly, with good support.
> >
> > I looked at Puppy linux, but there's no guarantees that it'll work.  I
> heard
> > about pupeee linux, which is puppy for the eeepc, but I couldn't seem to
> > find a full iso, just a bunch of files.
> >
> > Any ideas (remember, newbie here, please keep it simple!)
> >
> > Ta
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> >
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/
>
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Tue May 20 14:57:51 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:57:51 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Post a picky of yourself
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0805200740q19e50d22x77bc7963e03e14b@mail.gmail.com>
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But Les, would you really admit to us your love for SCO ;)

2008/5/20 Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com>:

> Actually I was thinking the other day about adding some pages where we can
> list the technology / distros etc we each use as it could be useful when
> someone has a question.  I think I'd make it a protected access site only
> open to people on the mailing lists.
>
> Photos would be optional!!  But I thought it was a nice way of seeing what
> everyone's interested in.  What does everyone think?
>
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Whoa! Paul, we want to ATTRACT new members to the mailing list, which is
>> why I aint posting my picture (yet) - it's a good idea though :)
>>
>> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  I'm crap at faces!  I took 6 months to learn the names of the kids I
>>> taught one year.  I have to admit, even though I can picture nearly every
>>> one of you, can I put name to face for everyone?  Can I b*******!
>>>
>>> Then I thought...  what about all the people who join up?  They might
>>> have the same problem.  Wouldn't it be good to have a link to pages where
>>> they can see pics of all the regulars?
>>>
>>> So I thought I'd start.  Then I found I have very few pics of myself on
>>> the PC.  So here's one on my wedding day 5 years ago (and several pounds
>>> lighter then, as well as long haired!)
>>>
>>> http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/heiowge/Paul.jpg
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
>>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000005ukm/direct/01/>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chester mailing list
>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Tue May 20 15:08:52 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:08:52 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Post a picky of yourself
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805200757w1a63e1bfyb5d5686379068f8d@mail.gmail.com>
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Good point!  Can we throw your work's old SCO box at him?  Now that would be
heavy!!

On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
wrote:

> But Les, would you really admit to us your love for SCO ;)
>
> 2008/5/20 Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com>:
>
>> Actually I was thinking the other day about adding some pages where we can
>> list the technology / distros etc we each use as it could be useful when
>> someone has a question.  I think I'd make it a protected access site only
>> open to people on the mailing lists.
>>
>> Photos would be optional!!  But I thought it was a nice way of seeing what
>> everyone's interested in.  What does everyone think?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Whoa! Paul, we want to ATTRACT new members to the mailing list, which is
>>> why I aint posting my picture (yet) - it's a good idea though :)
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I'm crap at faces!  I took 6 months to learn the names of the kids I
>>>> taught one year.  I have to admit, even though I can picture nearly every
>>>> one of you, can I put name to face for everyone?  Can I b*******!
>>>>
>>>> Then I thought...  what about all the people who join up?  They might
>>>> have the same problem.  Wouldn't it be good to have a link to pages where
>>>> they can see pics of all the regulars?
>>>>
>>>> So I thought I'd start.  Then I found I have very few pics of myself on
>>>> the PC.  So here's one on my wedding day 5 years ago (and several pounds
>>>> lighter then, as well as long haired!)
>>>>
>>>> http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/heiowge/Paul.jpg
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
>>>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000005ukm/direct/01/>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chester mailing list
>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> M. T. Crilly
>>> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chester mailing list
>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>>
>>>
>>
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>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Tue May 20 15:11:55 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:11:55 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Post a picky of yourself
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You would be going down for murder then ;) Mind it must be worth more than
my car as scrap ;)

2008/5/20 Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com>:

> Good point!  Can we throw your work's old SCO box at him?  Now that would
> be heavy!!
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Stuart Burns <
> stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> But Les, would you really admit to us your love for SCO ;)
>>
>> 2008/5/20 Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Actually I was thinking the other day about adding some pages where we
>>> can list the technology / distros etc we each use as it could be useful when
>>> someone has a question.  I think I'd make it a protected access site only
>>> open to people on the mailing lists.
>>>
>>> Photos would be optional!!  But I thought it was a nice way of seeing
>>> what everyone's interested in.  What does everyone think?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoa! Paul, we want to ATTRACT new members to the mailing list, which is
>>>> why I aint posting my picture (yet) - it's a good idea though :)
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  I'm crap at faces!  I took 6 months to learn the names of the kids I
>>>>> taught one year.  I have to admit, even though I can picture nearly every
>>>>> one of you, can I put name to face for everyone?  Can I b*******!
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I thought...  what about all the people who join up?  They might
>>>>> have the same problem.  Wouldn't it be good to have a link to pages where
>>>>> they can see pics of all the regulars?
>>>>>
>>>>> So I thought I'd start.  Then I found I have very few pics of myself on
>>>>> the PC.  So here's one on my wedding day 5 years ago (and several pounds
>>>>> lighter then, as well as long haired!)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b119/heiowge/Paul.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
>>>>> <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000005ukm/direct/01/>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Chester mailing list
>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> M. T. Crilly
>>>> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chester mailing list
>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chester mailing list
>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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>
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Tue May 20 15:16:56 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:16:56 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Distros for the eeepc
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0805200756h5ba7d2c3sb0324134183bdf47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W41C0628BFA03E8C59B127FC5C40@phx.gbl>
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No, i can't tell :p

On 5/20/08, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've always found Damn Small Linux to be a very nice mini-distro.  DSL-N has
> the 2.6 kernel and apparently it works with the eeepc.  It doesn't come with
> a load of applications installed, but you can add them to the very small
> footprint (talking couple hundred megs).  You can boot it off a usb stick or
> CD to give it a go first.  Installation isn't that graphical, but there
> isn't much to it.  You could always bring it along to the next LUG and we
> could help if you like the look of the live cd version.
>
> Have a look at it here:
> http://damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-n/
>
> (can you tell that I'm using a few precious minutes plowing through my
> emails whilst waiting for a meeting to start?!)
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I was thinking gentoo on a live cd. Not for newbies, but you'd learn a
>> lot during the installation. It's small and very customizable.
>>
>> On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi guys.  time for an update.
>> >
>> > Ubuntu on the eeepc died a death.  It took ages to get it on my sdhc
>> card,
>> > as my 2g model cant fit the distro on the 2gb ssd.  I couldn't be
>> bothered
>> > to go through all the hastle of putting it back on -not when Xandros
>> > cent
>> > back on in 12 minutes!
>> >
>> > Still, it leaves me with a distro I'm not too keen on, that isn't really
>> > supported by asus (all the packages seem geared towards the 4g model).
>> >
>> > What I'm after is a distro that is small, and will leave me with plenty
>> of
>> > space on the ssd (supplied version of xandros is 1.6 GB installed - 2.3
>> on
>> > the 4 g model tho.).
>> >
>> > I need one that is easy to install (pref simple graphical installer),
>> > and
>> > updated regularly, with good support.
>> >
>> > I looked at Puppy linux, but there's no guarantees that it'll work.  I
>> heard
>> > about pupeee linux, which is puppy for the eeepc, but I couldn't seem to
>> > find a full iso, just a bunch of files.
>> >
>> > Any ideas (remember, newbie here, please keep it simple!)
>> >
>> > Ta
>> >
>> > _________________________________________________________________
>> >
>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/
>>
>> --
>> Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com
>>
>> M. T. Crilly
>> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>

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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Tue May 20 15:28:39 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 15:28:39 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Distros for the eeepc
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Cheers guys.  If someone brings a stick, I'll copy over distros and try them out.  If battery holds out, I can even try a few then and there.  Can I install DSL, gentoo, puppy, featherlinux or any of the others, or are they all live?  What's the options for customisation of they're live.

Looked at DSL, and it seemed a little too basic - please prove me wrong.

Looked at Gentoo, and it seemed everyone was warning me that it was hard.  I'm up for a challenge tho.

What about PCBSD?  Read about it.  Not linux?  Too big?  thoughts?

> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:16:44 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Distros for the eeepc
> 
> No, i can't tell :p
> 
> On 5/20/08, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've always found Damn Small Linux to be a very nice mini-distro.  DSL-N has
> > the 2.6 kernel and apparently it works with the eeepc.  It doesn't come with
> > a load of applications installed, but you can add them to the very small
> > footprint (talking couple hundred megs).  You can boot it off a usb stick or
> > CD to give it a go first.  Installation isn't that graphical, but there
> > isn't much to it.  You could always bring it along to the next LUG and we
> > could help if you like the look of the live cd version.
> >
> > Have a look at it here:
> > http://damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-n/
> >
> > (can you tell that I'm using a few precious minutes plowing through my
> > emails whilst waiting for a meeting to start?!)
> >
> > On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I was thinking gentoo on a live cd. Not for newbies, but you'd learn a
> >> lot during the installation. It's small and very customizable.
> >>
> >> On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi guys.  time for an update.
> >> >
> >> > Ubuntu on the eeepc died a death.  It took ages to get it on my sdhc
> >> card,
> >> > as my 2g model cant fit the distro on the 2gb ssd.  I couldn't be
> >> bothered
> >> > to go through all the hastle of putting it back on -not when Xandros
> >> > cent
> >> > back on in 12 minutes!
> >> >
> >> > Still, it leaves me with a distro I'm not too keen on, that isn't really
> >> > supported by asus (all the packages seem geared towards the 4g model).
> >> >
> >> > What I'm after is a distro that is small, and will leave me with plenty
> >> of
> >> > space on the ssd (supplied version of xandros is 1.6 GB installed - 2.3
> >> on
> >> > the 4 g model tho.).
> >> >
> >> > I need one that is easy to install (pref simple graphical installer),
> >> > and
> >> > updated regularly, with good support.
> >> >
> >> > I looked at Puppy linux, but there's no guarantees that it'll work.  I
> >> heard
> >> > about pupeee linux, which is puppy for the eeepc, but I couldn't seem to
> >> > find a full iso, just a bunch of files.
> >> >
> >> > Any ideas (remember, newbie here, please keep it simple!)
> >> >
> >> > Ta
> >> >
> >> > _________________________________________________________________
> >> >
> >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com
> >>
> >> M. T. Crilly
> >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chester mailing list
> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >>
> >
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> 
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From fgaughan at gmail.com  Tue May 20 21:50:53 2008
From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:50:53 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
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References: <f25cdb7e0805181308qb41115eh8597e638e24a31b8@mail.gmail.com>
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Heres mine, 
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk84/fgaughan/Finsdesktop.png

Top left is facebook and twitter
bottom reading Chester lug using mutt :-)


Fintan





From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Tue May 20 22:21:58 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:21:58 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
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cool.  what os?

> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:50:43 +0100
> From: fgaughan at gmail.com
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
> 
> 
> Heres mine, 
> http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk84/fgaughan/Finsdesktop.png
> 
> Top left is facebook and twitter
> bottom reading Chester lug using mutt :-)
> 
> 
> Fintan
> 
> 
> 
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From fgaughan at gmail.com  Tue May 20 22:31:30 2008
From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:31:30 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
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	<20080520215042.GA7811@fintan-desktop>
	<BAY110-W49357825F863D51F364C94C5C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20080520223118.GA8005@fintan-desktop>


Ubuntu :-)

Fintan



* Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> [2008-05-20 22:21:50 +0000]:

> 
> cool.  what os?
> 
> > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:50:43 +0100
> > From: fgaughan at gmail.com
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
> > 
> > 
> > Heres mine, 
> > http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk84/fgaughan/Finsdesktop.png
> > 
> > Top left is facebook and twitter
> > bottom reading Chester lug using mutt :-)
> > 
> > 
> > Fintan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> 
> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester


-- 


Blog
http://gaughan.co.uk/



From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Tue May 20 22:32:30 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:32:30 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
In-Reply-To: <20080520223118.GA8005@fintan-desktop>
References: <f25cdb7e0805181308qb41115eh8597e638e24a31b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W500B8B482A48455648693FC5CA0@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805181515v23541fe6ubd98377afe88710d@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8b7bbcc0805181518q3639c7b2ra9413e59845dee5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080520215042.GA7811@fintan-desktop>
	<BAY110-W49357825F863D51F364C94C5C40@phx.gbl> 
	<20080520223118.GA8005@fintan-desktop>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W4064E3AC79DF6D010B1D28C5C40@phx.gbl>


looks a tad different than my os (also ubuntu)!

> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:31:19 +0100
> From: fgaughan at gmail.com
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
> 
> 
> Ubuntu :-)
> 
> Fintan
> 
> 
> 
> * Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> [2008-05-20 22:21:50 +0000]:
> 
> > 
> > cool.  what os?
> > 
> > > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:50:43 +0100
> > > From: fgaughan at gmail.com
> > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Heres mine, 
> > > http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk84/fgaughan/Finsdesktop.png
> > > 
> > > Top left is facebook and twitter
> > > bottom reading Chester lug using mutt :-)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Fintan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chester mailing list
> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > 
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > 
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Blog
> http://gaughan.co.uk/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

_________________________________________________________________

http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 21 08:00:58 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 08:00:58 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Re: Desktop SS
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W4064E3AC79DF6D010B1D28C5C40@phx.gbl>
References: <f25cdb7e0805181308qb41115eh8597e638e24a31b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W500B8B482A48455648693FC5CA0@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805181515v23541fe6ubd98377afe88710d@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8b7bbcc0805181518q3639c7b2ra9413e59845dee5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080520215042.GA7811@fintan-desktop>
	<BAY110-W49357825F863D51F364C94C5C40@phx.gbl>
	<20080520223118.GA8005@fintan-desktop>
	<BAY110-W4064E3AC79DF6D010B1D28C5C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805210100k6690a9ceob447a2b88bf14158@mail.gmail.com>

That's the glory of gnome and linux in general: you can personalise it to death.

On 5/20/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> looks a tad different than my os (also ubuntu)!
>
>> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 23:31:19 +0100
>> From: fgaughan at gmail.com
>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
>>
>>
>> Ubuntu :-)
>>
>> Fintan
>>
>>
>>
>> * Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> [2008-05-20 22:21:50 +0000]:
>>
>> >
>> > cool.  what os?
>> >
>> > > Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:50:43 +0100
>> > > From: fgaughan at gmail.com
>> > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Desktop SS
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Heres mine,
>> > > http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk84/fgaughan/Finsdesktop.png
>> > >
>> > > Top left is facebook and twitter
>> > > bottom reading Chester lug using mutt :-)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Fintan
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Chester mailing list
>> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>> >
>> > _________________________________________________________________
>> >
>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chester mailing list
>> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Blog
>> http://gaughan.co.uk/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000007ukm/direct/01/

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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Wed May 21 11:26:58 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 11:26:58 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Got a Mac? Don't look, you will cry ;)
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805210426v2db3279bh84a51ba487343d20@mail.gmail.com>

I was bored, so I did this little mac mini, silent and low powered for a
general server. It runs SuSe but hey i'll stick to what i know. If you are
vaguely interested, its at http://susemac.homelinux.org/
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From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Wed May 21 12:08:00 2008
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:08:00 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Got a Mac? Don't look, you will cry ;)
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805210426v2db3279bh84a51ba487343d20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805210426v2db3279bh84a51ba487343d20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1211371673.4859.27.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>


On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 12:26 +0100, Stuart Burns wrote:
> I was bored, so I did this little mac mini, silent and low powered for
> a general server. It runs SuSe but hey i'll stick to what i know. If
> you are vaguely interested, its at http://susemac.homelinux.org/

Good stuff - but whenever I'm bored and start tinkering,
this is what tends to happen:
http://xkcd.com/349/

;)

 - Richard










From dh at iucr.org  Wed May 21 12:28:44 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:28:44 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Got a Mac? Don't look, you will cry ;)
In-Reply-To: <1211371673.4859.27.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805210426v2db3279bh84a51ba487343d20@mail.gmail.com>
	<1211371673.4859.27.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
Message-ID: <200805211329.18710.dh@iucr.org>

On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Richard Smedley wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 12:26 +0100, Stuart Burns wrote:
> > I was bored, so I did this little mac mini, silent and low powered for
> > a general server. It runs SuSe but hey i'll stick to what i know. If
> > you are vaguely interested, its at http://susemac.homelinux.org/
>
> Good stuff - but whenever I'm bored and start tinkering,
> this is what tends to happen:
> http://xkcd.com/349/
>
> ;)
>
>  - Richard
>
>


Oh my god, take away the other person and image the person talking to 
themselves and this is my life!! 

Problem is I need my regular upgrade hit..


Dave.



-- 
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See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
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From dh at iucr.org  Wed May 21 12:43:03 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:43:03 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Got a Mac? Don't look, you will cry ;)
In-Reply-To: <1211371673.4859.27.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805210426v2db3279bh84a51ba487343d20@mail.gmail.com>
	<1211371673.4859.27.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
Message-ID: <200805211343.31030.dh@iucr.org>

On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Richard Smedley wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 12:26 +0100, Stuart Burns wrote:
> > I was bored, so I did this little mac mini, silent and low powered for
> > a general server. It runs SuSe but hey i'll stick to what i know. If
> > you are vaguely interested, its at http://susemac.homelinux.org/
>
> Good stuff - but whenever I'm bored and start tinkering,
> this is what tends to happen:
> http://xkcd.com/349/
>
> ;)
>
>  - Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

I didn't know about this site I do like it though

http://xkcd.com/354/

http://xkcd.com/208/

http://xkcd.com/323/

http://xkcd.com/196/

http://xkcd.com/350/

Dave.



-- 
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See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 21 07:01:05 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 07:01:05 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
Message-ID: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>


woke up this morn to discover PC had logged off.  checked system log and found the following:

messages:

May 21 05:50:28 imajica-desktop syslogd 1.5.0#1ubuntu1: restart.
May 21 06:09:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
May 21 06:29:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
May 21 06:49:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
May 21 07:09:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
May 21 07:29:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
May 21 07:49:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --

Who is MARK?  Not my login?

the others had the following:

auth.log

May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7228]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7228]: PAM [error: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7228]: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7228]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7228]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root
May 21 06:25:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7231]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
May 21 06:25:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7231]: PAM [error: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
May 21 06:25:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7231]: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
May 21 06:25:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7231]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
May 21 06:25:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7231]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root
May 21 07:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7233]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
May 21 07:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7233]: PAM [error: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
May 21 07:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7233]: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
May 21 07:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7233]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
May 21 07:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7233]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root
May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7236]: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7236]: PAM [error: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7236]: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7236]: pam_unix(cron:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7236]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root
May 21 07:43:47 imajica-desktop gdm[6451]: pam_unix(gdm:session): session opened for user imajica by (uid=0)
May 21 07:45:35 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
May 21 07:45:35 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM [error: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
May 21 07:45:35 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
May 21 07:45:40 imajica-desktop sudo:  imajica : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/home/imajica ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/synaptic --hide-main-window --non-interactive --parent-window-id 52428803 --update-at-startup
May 21 07:45:40 imajica-desktop sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
May 21 07:45:40 imajica-desktop sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session closed for user root
May 21 07:50:51 imajica-desktop sudo:  imajica : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/home/imajica ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/synaptic
May 21 07:50:51 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
May 21 07:50:51 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM [error: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
May 21 07:50:51 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
May 21 07:50:51 imajica-desktop sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
May 21 07:50:51 imajica-desktop sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session closed for user root
May 21 07:53:18 imajica-desktop sudo:  imajica : TTY=unknown ; PWD=/home/imajica ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator
May 21 07:53:18 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
May 21 07:53:18 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM [error: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory]
May 21 07:53:18 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
May 21 07:53:18 imajica-desktop sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
May 21 07:53:19 imajica-desktop sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session closed for user root

daemon.log:

May 21 07:43:57 imajica-desktop NetworkManager: <info>  Updating allowed wireless network lists. 
May 21 07:43:57 imajica-desktop NetworkManager: <WARN>  nm_dbus_get_networks_cb(): error received: org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks - There are no wireless networks stored.. 
May 21 07:43:58 imajica-desktop hald: mounted /dev/sdc1 on behalf of uid 1000

syslog:

May 21 05:50:27 imajica-desktop syslogd 1.5.0#1ubuntu1: restart.
May 21 05:50:27 imajica-desktop anacron[6522]: Job `cron.daily' terminated
May 21 05:50:27 imajica-desktop anacron[6522]: Job `cron.weekly' started
May 21 05:50:27 imajica-desktop anacron[7038]: Updated timestamp for job `cron.weekly' to 2008-05-21
May 21 05:50:28 imajica-desktop syslogd 1.5.0#1ubuntu1: restart.
May 21 05:50:28 imajica-desktop anacron[6522]: Job `cron.weekly' terminated
May 21 05:50:28 imajica-desktop anacron[6522]: Normal exit (2 jobs run)
May 21 06:09:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[7229]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
May 21 06:25:01 imajica-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[7232]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ))
May 21 06:49:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
May 21 07:09:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
May 21 07:17:01 imajica-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[7234]: (root) CMD (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
May 21 07:29:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[7237]: (root) CMD (test -x /etc/init.d/anacron && /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start >/dev/null)
May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop anacron[7261]: Anacron 2.3 started on 2008-05-21
May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop anacron[7261]: Normal exit (0 jobs run)
May 21 07:43:57 imajica-desktop NetworkManager: <info>  Updating allowed wireless network lists. 
May 21 07:43:57 imajica-desktop NetworkManager: <WARN>  nm_dbus_get_networks_cb(): error received: org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks - There are no wireless networks stored.. 
May 21 07:43:58 imajica-desktop hald: mounted /dev/sdc1 on behalf of uid 1000


This is a pre-release version of the X server from The X.Org Foundation.
It is not supported in any way.
Bugs may be filed in the bugzilla at http://bugs.freedesktop.org/.
Select the "xorg" product for bugs you find in this release.
Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions please check the
latest version in the X.Org Foundation git repository.
See http://wiki.x.org/wiki/GitPage for git access instructions.

X.Org X Server 1.4.0.90
Release Date: 5 September 2007
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Build Operating System: Linux Ubuntu (xorg-server 2:1.4.1~git20080131-1ubuntu9)
Current Operating System: Linux imajica-desktop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686
Build Date: 15 April 2008  05:26:17PM
 
    Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
    to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
    (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
    (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed May 21 05:29:57 2008
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
(==) ServerLayout "Default Layout"
(**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "DELL 1504FP"
(**) |   |-->Device "Generic Video Card"
(**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard"
(**) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse"
(==) Automatically adding devices
(==) Automatically enabling devices
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
    Entry deleted from font path.
(==) FontPath set to:
    /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
    /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,
    /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,
    /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,
    /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,
    /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,
    /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType
(==) RgbPath set to "/etc/X11/rgb"
(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
(II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
(II) Loader magic: 0x81dc500
(II) Module ABI versions:
    X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.3
    X.Org Video Driver: 2.0
    X.Org XInput driver : 2.0
    X.Org Server Extension : 0.3
    X.Org Font Renderer : 0.5
(II) Loader running on linux
(II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libpcidata.so
(II) Module pcidata: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.0.0
    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 2.0
(++) using VT number 7

(II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex)
(II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,2560 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 06,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:02:0: chip 8086,2562 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 03,80,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:1d:0: chip 8086,24c2 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr 80
(II) PCI: 00:1d:1: chip 8086,24c4 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:1d:2: chip 8086,24c7 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:1d:7: chip 8086,24cd card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 0c,03,20 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:1e:0: chip 8086,244e card 0000,0000 rev 81 class 06,04,00 hdr 01
(II) PCI: 00:1f:0: chip 8086,24c0 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 06,01,00 hdr 80
(II) PCI: 00:1f:1: chip 8086,24cb card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 01,01,8a hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:1f:3: chip 8086,24c3 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 0c,05,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:1f:5: chip 8086,24c5 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 04,01,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 01:04:0: chip 1033,0035 card 1799,0001 rev 43 class 0c,03,10 hdr 80
(II) PCI: 01:04:1: chip 1033,0035 card 1799,0001 rev 43 class 0c,03,10 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 01:04:2: chip 1033,00e0 card 1799,0002 rev 04 class 0c,03,20 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 01:05:0: chip 10de,0221 card 0000,0000 rev a1 class 03,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 01:09:0: chip 14e4,4401 card 1028,8127 rev 01 class 02,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: End of PCI scan
(II) Intel Bridge workaround enabled
(II) Host-to-PCI bridge:
(II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (0,0,1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set)
(II) Bus 0 I/O range:
    [0] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B]
(II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range:
    [0] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B]
(II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range:
    [0] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B]
(II) Subtractive PCI-to-PCI bridge:
(II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:30:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x000a (VGA_EN is set)
(II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range:
    [0] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfeafffff (0x2b00000) MX[B]
(II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range:
    [0] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B]
(II) PCI-to-ISA bridge:
(II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:31:0), (0,-1,-1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set)
(--) PCI: (0:2:0) Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device rev 1, Mem @ 0xd0000000/27, 0xfeb80000/19
(--) PCI:*(1:5:0) nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] rev 161, Mem @ 0xfc000000/24, 0xe0000000/28, 0xfd000000/24, BIOS @ 0xfea00000/17
(II) Addressable bus resource ranges are
    [0] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B]
    [1] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B]
(II) OS-reported resource ranges:
    [0] -1    0    0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
    [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [4] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [5] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
(II) PCI Memory resource overlap reduced 0xd8000000 from 0xdfffffff to 0xd7ffffff
(II) Active PCI resource ranges:
    [0] -1    0    0xfe9fe000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x2000) MX[B]
    [1] -1    0    0xfe9fbf00 - 0xfe9fbfff (0x100) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0xfe9fd000 - 0xfe9fdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0xfe9fc000 - 0xfe9fcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
    [4] -1    0    0xfeb7f900 - 0xfeb7f9ff (0x100) MX[B]
    [5] -1    0    0xfeb7fa00 - 0xfeb7fbff (0x200) MX[B]
    [6] -1    0    0xfeb7fc00 - 0xfeb7ffff (0x400) MX[B]
    [7] -1    0    0xffa80800 - 0xffa80bff (0x400) MX[B]
    [8] -1    0    0xd8000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
    [9] -1    0    0xfe000000 - 0xfe01ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
    [10] -1    0    0xfd000000 - 0xfdffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
    [11] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B)
    [12] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
    [13] -1    0    0x0000edc0 - 0x0000edff (0x40) IX[B]
    [14] -1    0    0x0000ee00 - 0x0000eeff (0x100) IX[B]
    [15] -1    0    0x0000eda0 - 0x0000edbf (0x20) IX[B]
    [16] -1    0    0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B]
    [17] -1    0    0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
    [18] -1    0    0x00000170 - 0x00000177 (0x8) IX[B]
    [19] -1    0    0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
    [20] -1    0    0x000001f0 - 0x000001f7 (0x8) IX[B]
    [21] -1    0    0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B]
    [22] -1    0    0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B]
    [23] -1    0    0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B]
(II) Inactive PCI resource ranges:
    [0] -1    0    0xfeb80000 - 0xfebfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B)
    [1] -1    0    0xd0000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
(II) Active PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps:
    [0] -1    0    0xfe9fe000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x2000) MX[B]
    [1] -1    0    0xfe9fbf00 - 0xfe9fbfff (0x100) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0xfe9fd000 - 0xfe9fdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0xfe9fc000 - 0xfe9fcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
    [4] -1    0    0xfeb7f900 - 0xfeb7f9ff (0x100) MX[B]
    [5] -1    0    0xfeb7fa00 - 0xfeb7fbff (0x200) MX[B]
    [6] -1    0    0xfeb7fc00 - 0xfeb7ffff (0x400) MX[B]
    [7] -1    0    0xffa80800 - 0xffa80bff (0x400) MX[B]
    [8] -1    0    0xd8000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
    [9] -1    0    0xfe000000 - 0xfe01ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
    [10] -1    0    0xfd000000 - 0xfdffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
    [11] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B)
    [12] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
    [13] -1    0    0x0000edc0 - 0x0000edff (0x40) IX[B]
    [14] -1    0    0x0000ee00 - 0x0000eeff (0x100) IX[B]
    [15] -1    0    0x0000eda0 - 0x0000edbf (0x20) IX[B]
    [16] -1    0    0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B]
    [17] -1    0    0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
    [18] -1    0    0x00000170 - 0x00000177 (0x8) IX[B]
    [19] -1    0    0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
    [20] -1    0    0x000001f0 - 0x000001f7 (0x8) IX[B]
    [21] -1    0    0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B]
    [22] -1    0    0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B]
    [23] -1    0    0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B]
(II) Inactive PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps:
    [0] -1    0    0xfeb80000 - 0xfebfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B)
    [1] -1    0    0xd0000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
(II) OS-reported resource ranges after removing overlaps with PCI:
    [0] -1    0    0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
    [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [4] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [5] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
(II) All system resource ranges:
    [0] -1    0    0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
    [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [4] -1    0    0xfe9fe000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x2000) MX[B]
    [5] -1    0    0xfe9fbf00 - 0xfe9fbfff (0x100) MX[B]
    [6] -1    0    0xfe9fd000 - 0xfe9fdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
    [7] -1    0    0xfe9fc000 - 0xfe9fcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
    [8] -1    0    0xfeb7f900 - 0xfeb7f9ff (0x100) MX[B]
    [9] -1    0    0xfeb7fa00 - 0xfeb7fbff (0x200) MX[B]
    [10] -1    0    0xfeb7fc00 - 0xfeb7ffff (0x400) MX[B]
    [11] -1    0    0xffa80800 - 0xffa80bff (0x400) MX[B]
    [12] -1    0    0xd8000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
    [13] -1    0    0xfe000000 - 0xfe01ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
    [14] -1    0    0xfd000000 - 0xfdffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
    [15] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B)
    [16] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
    [17] -1    0    0xfeb80000 - 0xfebfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B)
    [18] -1    0    0xd0000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
    [19] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [20] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
    [21] -1    0    0x0000edc0 - 0x0000edff (0x40) IX[B]
    [22] -1    0    0x0000ee00 - 0x0000eeff (0x100) IX[B]
    [23] -1    0    0x0000eda0 - 0x0000edbf (0x20) IX[B]
    [24] -1    0    0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B]
    [25] -1    0    0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
    [26] -1    0    0x00000170 - 0x00000177 (0x8) IX[B]
    [27] -1    0    0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
    [28] -1    0    0x000001f0 - 0x000001f7 (0x8) IX[B]
    [29] -1    0    0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B]
    [30] -1    0    0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B]
    [31] -1    0    0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B]
(II) "extmod" will be loaded by default.
(II) "dbe" will be loaded by default.
(II) "glx" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file.
(II) "freetype" will be loaded by default.
(II) "record" will be loaded by default.
(II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
(II) LoadModule: "glx"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so
(II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
    compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.1
(II) NVIDIA GLX Module  169.12  Thu Feb 14 18:45:56 PST 2008
(II) Loading extension GLX
(II) LoadModule: "extmod"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libextmod.so
(II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.0.0
    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(II) Loading extension SHAPE
(II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD
(II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS
(II) Loading extension SYNC
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(II) Loading extension XC-MISC
(II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
(II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
(II) Loading extension DPMS
(II) Loading extension TOG-CUP
(II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information
(II) Loading extension XVideo
(II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
(II) Loading extension X-Resource
(II) LoadModule: "dbe"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdbe.so
(II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.0.0
    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
(II) LoadModule: "freetype"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//fonts/libfreetype.so
(II) Module freetype: vendor="X.Org Foundation & the After X-TT Project"
    compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 2.1.0
    Module class: X.Org Font Renderer
    ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.5
(II) Loading font FreeType
(II) LoadModule: "record"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//librecord.so
(II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.13.0
    Module class: X.Org Server Extension
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(II) Loading extension RECORD
(II) LoadModule: "dri"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so
(II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.0.0
    ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
(II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so
(II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
    compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
(II) LoadModule: "kbd"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//kbd_drv.so
(II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.4.0, module version = 1.2.2
    Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
    ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 2.0
(II) LoadModule: "mouse"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so
(II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.4.0, module version = 1.2.3
    Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
    ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 2.0
(II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  169.12  Thu Feb 14 17:55:38 PST 2008
(II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:05:0
(--) Chipset NVIDIA GPU found
(II) Loading sub module "fb"
(II) LoadModule: "fb"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libfb.so
(II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
    compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.0.0
    ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.3
(II) Loading sub module "wfb"
(II) LoadModule: "wfb"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libwfb.so
(II) Module wfb: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
    compiled for 7.1.99.2, module version = 1.0.0
(II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
(II) LoadModule: "ramdac"(II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
(II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call:
    [0] -1    0    0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
    [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [4] -1    0    0xfe9fe000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x2000) MX[B]
    [5] -1    0    0xfe9fbf00 - 0xfe9fbfff (0x100) MX[B]
    [6] -1    0    0xfe9fd000 - 0xfe9fdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
    [7] -1    0    0xfe9fc000 - 0xfe9fcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
    [8] -1    0    0xfeb7f900 - 0xfeb7f9ff (0x100) MX[B]
    [9] -1    0    0xfeb7fa00 - 0xfeb7fbff (0x200) MX[B]
    [10] -1    0    0xfeb7fc00 - 0xfeb7ffff (0x400) MX[B]
    [11] -1    0    0xffa80800 - 0xffa80bff (0x400) MX[B]
    [12] -1    0    0xd8000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
    [13] -1    0    0xfe000000 - 0xfe01ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
    [14] -1    0    0xfd000000 - 0xfdffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
    [15] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B)
    [16] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
    [17] -1    0    0xfeb80000 - 0xfebfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B)
    [18] -1    0    0xd0000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
    [19] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [20] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
    [21] -1    0    0x0000edc0 - 0x0000edff (0x40) IX[B]
    [22] -1    0    0x0000ee00 - 0x0000eeff (0x100) IX[B]
    [23] -1    0    0x0000eda0 - 0x0000edbf (0x20) IX[B]
    [24] -1    0    0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B]
    [25] -1    0    0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
    [26] -1    0    0x00000170 - 0x00000177 (0x8) IX[B]
    [27] -1    0    0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
    [28] -1    0    0x000001f0 - 0x000001f7 (0x8) IX[B]
    [29] -1    0    0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B]
    [30] -1    0    0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B]
    [31] -1    0    0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B]
(II) resource ranges after probing:
    [0] -1    0    0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
    [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [4] -1    0    0xfe9fe000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x2000) MX[B]
    [5] -1    0    0xfe9fbf00 - 0xfe9fbfff (0x100) MX[B]
    [6] -1    0    0xfe9fd000 - 0xfe9fdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
    [7] -1    0    0xfe9fc000 - 0xfe9fcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
    [8] -1    0    0xfeb7f900 - 0xfeb7f9ff (0x100) MX[B]
    [9] -1    0    0xfeb7fa00 - 0xfeb7fbff (0x200) MX[B]
    [10] -1    0    0xfeb7fc00 - 0xfeb7ffff (0x400) MX[B]
    [11] -1    0    0xffa80800 - 0xffa80bff (0x400) MX[B]
    [12] -1    0    0xd8000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
    [13] -1    0    0xfe000000 - 0xfe01ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
    [14] -1    0    0xfd000000 - 0xfdffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
    [15] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B)
    [16] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
    [17] -1    0    0xfeb80000 - 0xfebfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B)
    [18] -1    0    0xd0000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
    [19] 0    0    0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B]
    [20] 0    0    0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B]
    [21] 0    0    0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B]
    [22] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [23] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
    [24] -1    0    0x0000edc0 - 0x0000edff (0x40) IX[B]
    [25] -1    0    0x0000ee00 - 0x0000eeff (0x100) IX[B]
    [26] -1    0    0x0000eda0 - 0x0000edbf (0x20) IX[B]
    [27] -1    0    0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B]
    [28] -1    0    0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
    [29] -1    0    0x00000170 - 0x00000177 (0x8) IX[B]
    [30] -1    0    0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
    [31] -1    0    0x000001f0 - 0x000001f7 (0x8) IX[B]
    [32] -1    0    0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B]
    [33] -1    0    0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B]
    [34] -1    0    0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B]
    [35] 0    0    0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B]
    [36] 0    0    0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B]
(II) Setting vga for screen 0.
(**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
(==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888
(==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor
(==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "NoLogo" "True"
(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
(**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration
(II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is
(II) NVIDIA(0):     enabled.
(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 6200 (NV44) at PCI:1:5:0 (GPU-0)
(--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 262144 kBytes
(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 05.44.a2.10.52
(--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on this GPU
(--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 6200 at PCI:1:5:0:
(--) NVIDIA(0):     DELL 1504FP (CRT-0)
(--) NVIDIA(0): DELL 1504FP (CRT-0): 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
(II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: CRT-0
(WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "720x400"; removing.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:
(II) NVIDIA(0):     "1024x768"
(II) NVIDIA(0):     "800x600"
(II) NVIDIA(0):     "640x480"
(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1024 x 768
(--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (86, 88); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
(--) NVIDIA(0):     option
(**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling 32-bit ARGB GLX visuals.
(--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
(II) do I need RAC?  No, I don't.
(II) resource ranges after preInit:
    [0] -1    0    0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
    [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
    [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
    [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
    [4] -1    0    0xfe9fe000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x2000) MX[B]
    [5] -1    0    0xfe9fbf00 - 0xfe9fbfff (0x100) MX[B]
    [6] -1    0    0xfe9fd000 - 0xfe9fdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
    [7] -1    0    0xfe9fc000 - 0xfe9fcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
    [8] -1    0    0xfeb7f900 - 0xfeb7f9ff (0x100) MX[B]
    [9] -1    0    0xfeb7fa00 - 0xfeb7fbff (0x200) MX[B]
    [10] -1    0    0xfeb7fc00 - 0xfeb7ffff (0x400) MX[B]
    [11] -1    0    0xffa80800 - 0xffa80bff (0x400) MX[B]
    [12] -1    0    0xd8000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
    [13] -1    0    0xfe000000 - 0xfe01ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
    [14] -1    0    0xfd000000 - 0xfdffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
    [15] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B)
    [16] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
    [17] -1    0    0xfeb80000 - 0xfebfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B)
    [18] -1    0    0xd0000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
    [19] 0    0    0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B]
    [20] 0    0    0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B]
    [21] 0    0    0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B]
    [22] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
    [23] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
    [24] -1    0    0x0000edc0 - 0x0000edff (0x40) IX[B]
    [25] -1    0    0x0000ee00 - 0x0000eeff (0x100) IX[B]
    [26] -1    0    0x0000eda0 - 0x0000edbf (0x20) IX[B]
    [27] -1    0    0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B]
    [28] -1    0    0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
    [29] -1    0    0x00000170 - 0x00000177 (0x8) IX[B]
    [30] -1    0    0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
    [31] -1    0    0x000001f0 - 0x000001f7 (0x8) IX[B]
    [32] -1    0    0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B]
    [33] -1    0    0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B]
    [34] -1    0    0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B]
    [35] 0    0    0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B]
    [36] 0    0    0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B]
(II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GPU GART.
(II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1024x768"
(II) Loading extension NV-GLX
(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized
(II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration architecture
(==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store disabled
(==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled
(**) Option "dpms"
(**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled
(II) Loading extension NV-CONTROL
(WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "AddARGBVisuals" is not used
(==) RandR enabled
(II) Setting vga for screen 0.
(II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
(II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
(II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
(II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
(II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP
(II) Initializing built-in extension XAccessControlExtension
(II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
(II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
(II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
(II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont
(II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
(II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
(II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
(II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
(II) Initializing built-in extension XEVIE
(II) Initializing extension GLX
(**) Option "CoreKeyboard"
(**) Generic Keyboard: always reports core events
(**) Option "Protocol" "standard"
(**) Generic Keyboard: Protocol: standard
(**) Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
(**) Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
(**) Generic Keyboard: XkbRules: "xorg"
(**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
(**) Generic Keyboard: XkbModel: "pc105"
(**) Option "XkbLayout" "gb"
(**) Generic Keyboard: XkbLayout: "gb"
(**) Option "CustomKeycodes" "off"
(**) Generic Keyboard: CustomKeycodes disabled
(**) Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
(**) Configured Mouse: Device: "/dev/input/mice"
(**) Configured Mouse: Protocol: "ImPS/2"
(**) Option "CorePointer"
(**) Configured Mouse: always reports core events
(**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
(**) Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
(**) Configured Mouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50
(**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
(**) Configured Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
(**) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 9
(**) Configured Mouse: Sensitivity: 1
(II) evaluating device (Configured Mouse)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE)
(II) evaluating device (Generic Keyboard)
(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Generic Keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD)
(II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
SetClientVersion: 0 9

Am I still safe or has something dodgy happened?  Who is Mark?

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From r.downing at dl.ac.uk  Wed May 21 13:49:50 2008
From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk (Roger Downing)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:49:50 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200805211449.49359.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>

On Wednesday 21 May 2008 08:00:52 Paul Williams wrote:
> Am I still safe or has something dodgy happened?  Who is Mark?

Fairly sure you're ok here.

I think it's just a feature of the sysklogd daemon to keep the log files 
ticking over and rotating correctly. I've seen it on every Ubuntu machine 
I've used.

-- 
Roger Downing
eScience systems administrator
STFC
Daresbury Laboratories
Keckwick Lane
Warrington
WA4 4AD

Tel: 01925 603937
Mbl: 07880 736154




From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com  Wed May 21 14:05:28 2008
From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:05:28 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e8c51aca0805210705v19637a0dv8f0f43a301da4282@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,

> messages:
>
> May 21 05:50:28 imajica-desktop syslogd 1.5.0#1ubuntu1: restart.
> May 21 06:09:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 06:29:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 06:49:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 07:09:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 07:29:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 07:49:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
>
> Who is MARK?  Not my login?

This is a syslogd logs a mark timestamp regularly into messages (every
20min), this would be expected behaviour and shouldn't cause alarm.

> the others had the following:
>
> auth.log
>
> May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7228]: PAM unable to
> dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
<SNIP>

The other logs just look like standard OS housekeeping, nothing
appears to be out of the ordinary. I'd have expected to see more
remote login attempts if someone had attacked it externally.

>
> Am I still safe or has something dodgy happened?  Who is Mark?
>

For now? quite probably. As for who Mark is, see above.

"All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best".

External attackers will most of the time try to make sure the machine
stays up and looks as normal as possible to avoid giving the game
away. It's more likely in this case to be a local factor (power, freak
update or someone else with access logging you off).

Stay on top of your updates, minimize the services you're presenting
to the outside world and power the machine off when it's not in use.
That and keep an eye on your logs.

HTH

B



From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 21 13:56:19 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:56:19 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805210656v3069d221v49f72ee766dc4736@mail.gmail.com>

You've been cracked by the looks of it. It looks as though someone has
broken in and then probed the system, for various features and also tried to
start a service, possibly an old version with a known exploit in it (so they
have a point to exploit in future)

Try downloading and installing chkrootkit & rkhunter and running them
locally. Alos, if you can, install and run from a machine on the same LAN,
nessus and nessusd - this will scan your system for open ports and scan for
known and actively visible and avialble exploits.


On 5/21/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> woke up this morn to discover PC had logged off.  checked system log and
> found the following:
>
> messages:
>
> May 21 05:50:28 imajica-desktop syslogd 1.5.0#1ubuntu1: restart.
> May 21 06:09:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 06:29:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 06:49:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 07:09:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 07:29:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 07:49:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
>
> Who is MARK?  Not my login?
>
> the others had the following:
>
> auth.log
>
> May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7228]: PAM unable to
> dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
> May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7228]: PAM [error:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file
> or directory]
> May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7228]: PAM adding faulty module:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
> May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7228]: pam_unix(cron:session): session
> opened for user root by (uid=0)
> May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7228]: pam_unix(cron:session): session
> closed for user root
> May 21 06:25:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7231]: PAM unable to
> dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
> May 21 06:25:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7231]: PAM [error:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file
> or directory]
> May 21 06:25:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7231]: PAM adding faulty module:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
> May 21 06:25:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7231]: pam_unix(cron:session): session
> opened for user root by (uid=0)
> May 21 06:25:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7231]: pam_unix(cron:session): session
> closed for user root
> May 21 07:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7233]: PAM unable to
> dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
> May 21 07:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7233]: PAM [error:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file
> or directory]
> May 21 07:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7233]: PAM adding faulty module:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
> May 21 07:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7233]: pam_unix(cron:session): session
> opened for user root by (uid=0)
> May 21 07:17:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7233]: pam_unix(cron:session): session
> closed for user root
> May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7236]: PAM unable to
> dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
> May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7236]: PAM [error:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file
> or directory]
> May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7236]: PAM adding faulty module:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
> May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7236]: pam_unix(cron:session): session
> opened for user root by (uid=0)
> May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop CRON[7236]: pam_unix(cron:session): session
> closed for user root
> May 21 07:43:47 imajica-desktop gdm[6451]: pam_unix(gdm:session): session
> opened for user imajica by (uid=0)
> May 21 07:45:35 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM unable to
> dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
> May 21 07:45:35 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM [error:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file
> or directory]
> May 21 07:45:35 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM adding faulty module:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
> May 21 07:45:40 imajica-desktop sudo:  imajica : TTY=unknown ;
> PWD=/home/imajica ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/synaptic
> --hide-main-window --non-interactive --parent-window-id 52428803
> --update-at-startup
> May 21 07:45:40 imajica-desktop sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session
> opened for user root by (uid=0)
> May 21 07:45:40 imajica-desktop sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session
> closed for user root
> May 21 07:50:51 imajica-desktop sudo:  imajica : TTY=unknown ;
> PWD=/home/imajica ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/sbin/synaptic
> May 21 07:50:51 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM unable to
> dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
> May 21 07:50:51 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM [error:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file
> or directory]
> May 21 07:50:51 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM adding faulty module:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
> May 21 07:50:51 imajica-desktop sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session
> opened for user root by (uid=0)
> May 21 07:50:51 imajica-desktop sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session
> closed for user root
> May 21 07:53:18 imajica-desktop sudo:  imajica : TTY=unknown ;
> PWD=/home/imajica ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator
> May 21 07:53:18 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM unable to
> dlopen(/lib/security/pam_smbpass.so)
> May 21 07:53:18 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM [error:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file
> or directory]
> May 21 07:53:18 imajica-desktop sudo: PAM adding faulty module:
> /lib/security/pam_smbpass.so
> May 21 07:53:18 imajica-desktop sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session
> opened for user root by (uid=0)
> May 21 07:53:19 imajica-desktop sudo: pam_unix(sudo:session): session
> closed for user root
>
> daemon.log:
>
> May 21 07:43:57 imajica-desktop NetworkManager: <info>  Updating allowed
> wireless network lists.
> May 21 07:43:57 imajica-desktop NetworkManager: <WARN>
> nm_dbus_get_networks_cb(): error received:
> org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks - There are no wireless
> networks stored..
> May 21 07:43:58 imajica-desktop hald: mounted /dev/sdc1 on behalf of uid
> 1000
>
> syslog:
>
> May 21 05:50:27 imajica-desktop syslogd 1.5.0#1ubuntu1: restart.
> May 21 05:50:27 imajica-desktop anacron[6522]: Job `cron.daily' terminated
> May 21 05:50:27 imajica-desktop anacron[6522]: Job `cron.weekly' started
> May 21 05:50:27 imajica-desktop anacron[7038]: Updated timestamp for job
> `cron.weekly' to 2008-05-21
> May 21 05:50:28 imajica-desktop syslogd 1.5.0#1ubuntu1: restart.
> May 21 05:50:28 imajica-desktop anacron[6522]: Job `cron.weekly' terminated
> May 21 05:50:28 imajica-desktop anacron[6522]: Normal exit (2 jobs run)
> May 21 06:09:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 06:17:01 imajica-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[7229]: (root) CMD (   cd /
> && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
> May 21 06:25:01 imajica-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[7232]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ))
> May 21 06:49:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 07:09:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 07:17:01 imajica-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[7234]: (root) CMD (   cd /
> && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
> May 21 07:29:53 imajica-desktop -- MARK --
> May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop /USR/SBIN/CRON[7237]: (root) CMD (test -x
> /etc/init.d/anacron && /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start >/dev/null)
> May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop anacron[7261]: Anacron 2.3 started on
> 2008-05-21
> May 21 07:30:01 imajica-desktop anacron[7261]: Normal exit (0 jobs run)
> May 21 07:43:57 imajica-desktop NetworkManager: <info>  Updating allowed
> wireless network lists.
> May 21 07:43:57 imajica-desktop NetworkManager: <WARN>
> nm_dbus_get_networks_cb(): error received:
> org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks - There are no wireless
> networks stored..
> May 21 07:43:58 imajica-desktop hald: mounted /dev/sdc1 on behalf of uid
> 1000
>
>
> This is a pre-release version of the X server from The X.Org Foundation.
> It is not supported in any way.
> Bugs may be filed in the bugzilla at http://bugs.freedesktop.org/.
> Select the "xorg" product for bugs you find in this release.
> Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions please check the
> latest version in the X.Org Foundation git repository.
> See http://wiki.x.org/wiki/GitPage for git access instructions.
>
> X.Org X Server 1.4.0.90
> Release Date: 5 September 2007
> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
> Build Operating System: Linux Ubuntu (xorg-server
> 2:1.4.1~git20080131-1ubuntu9)
> Current Operating System: Linux imajica-desktop 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP
> Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686
> Build Date: 15 April 2008  05:26:17PM
>
>     Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
>     to make sure that you have the latest version.
> Module Loader present
> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
>     (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
>     (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
> (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed May 21 05:29:57 2008
> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
> (==) ServerLayout "Default Layout"
> (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
> (**) |   |-->Monitor "DELL 1504FP"
> (**) |   |-->Device "Generic Video Card"
> (**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard"
> (**) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse"
> (==) Automatically adding devices
> (==) Automatically enabling devices
> (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
>     Entry deleted from font path.
> (==) FontPath set to:
>     /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
>     /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,
>     /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,
>     /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,
>     /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,
>     /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,
>     /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType
> (==) RgbPath set to "/etc/X11/rgb"
> (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
> (II) Open ACPI successful (/var/run/acpid.socket)
> (II) Loader magic: 0x81dc500
> (II) Module ABI versions:
>     X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.3
>     X.Org Video Driver: 2.0
>     X.Org XInput driver : 2.0
>     X.Org Server Extension : 0.3
>     X.Org Font Renderer : 0.5
> (II) Loader running on linux
> (II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libpcidata.so
> (II) Module pcidata: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
>     compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.0.0
>     ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 2.0
> (++) using VT number 7
>
> (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex)
> (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 8086,2560 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 06,00,00 hdr
> 00
> (II) PCI: 00:02:0: chip 8086,2562 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 03,80,00 hdr
> 00
> (II) PCI: 00:1d:0: chip 8086,24c2 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr
> 80
> (II) PCI: 00:1d:1: chip 8086,24c4 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr
> 00
> (II) PCI: 00:1d:2: chip 8086,24c7 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 0c,03,00 hdr
> 00
> (II) PCI: 00:1d:7: chip 8086,24cd card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 0c,03,20 hdr
> 00
> (II) PCI: 00:1e:0: chip 8086,244e card 0000,0000 rev 81 class 06,04,00 hdr
> 01
> (II) PCI: 00:1f:0: chip 8086,24c0 card 0000,0000 rev 01 class 06,01,00 hdr
> 80
> (II) PCI: 00:1f:1: chip 8086,24cb card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 01,01,8a hdr
> 00
> (II) PCI: 00:1f:3: chip 8086,24c3 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 0c,05,00 hdr
> 00
> (II) PCI: 00:1f:5: chip 8086,24c5 card 1028,0160 rev 01 class 04,01,00 hdr
> 00
> (II) PCI: 01:04:0: chip 1033,0035 card 1799,0001 rev 43 class 0c,03,10 hdr
> 80
> (II) PCI: 01:04:1: chip 1033,0035 card 1799,0001 rev 43 class 0c,03,10 hdr
> 00
> (II) PCI: 01:04:2: chip 1033,00e0 card 1799,0002 rev 04 class 0c,03,20 hdr
> 00
> (II) PCI: 01:05:0: chip 10de,0221 card 0000,0000 rev a1 class 03,00,00 hdr
> 00
> (II) PCI: 01:09:0: chip 14e4,4401 card 1028,8127 rev 01 class 02,00,00 hdr
> 00
> (II) PCI: End of PCI scan
> (II) Intel Bridge workaround enabled
> (II) Host-to-PCI bridge:
> (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (0,0,1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set)
> (II) Bus 0 I/O range:
>     [0] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B]
> (II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range:
>     [0] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B]
> (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range:
>     [0] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B]
> (II) Subtractive PCI-to-PCI bridge:
> (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:30:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x000a (VGA_EN is set)
> (II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range:
>     [0] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfeafffff (0x2b00000) MX[B]
> (II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range:
>     [0] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B]
> (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge:
> (II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:31:0), (0,-1,-1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is
> set)
> (--) PCI: (0:2:0) Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset
> Integrated Graphics Device rev 1, Mem @ 0xd0000000/27, 0xfeb80000/19
> (--) PCI:*(1:5:0) nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] rev 161, Mem @
> 0xfc000000/24, 0xe0000000/28, 0xfd000000/24, BIOS @ 0xfea00000/17
> (II) Addressable bus resource ranges are
>     [0] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B]
>     [1] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B]
> (II) OS-reported resource ranges:
>     [0] -1    0    0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
>     [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
>     [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
>     [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
>     [4] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
>     [5] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
> (II) PCI Memory resource overlap reduced 0xd8000000 from 0xdfffffff to
> 0xd7ffffff
> (II) Active PCI resource ranges:
>     [0] -1    0    0xfe9fe000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x2000) MX[B]
>     [1] -1    0    0xfe9fbf00 - 0xfe9fbfff (0x100) MX[B]
>     [2] -1    0    0xfe9fd000 - 0xfe9fdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
>     [3] -1    0    0xfe9fc000 - 0xfe9fcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
>     [4] -1    0    0xfeb7f900 - 0xfeb7f9ff (0x100) MX[B]
>     [5] -1    0    0xfeb7fa00 - 0xfeb7fbff (0x200) MX[B]
>     [6] -1    0    0xfeb7fc00 - 0xfeb7ffff (0x400) MX[B]
>     [7] -1    0    0xffa80800 - 0xffa80bff (0x400) MX[B]
>     [8] -1    0    0xd8000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
>     [9] -1    0    0xfe000000 - 0xfe01ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
>     [10] -1    0    0xfd000000 - 0xfdffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
>     [11] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B)
>     [12] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
>     [13] -1    0    0x0000edc0 - 0x0000edff (0x40) IX[B]
>     [14] -1    0    0x0000ee00 - 0x0000eeff (0x100) IX[B]
>     [15] -1    0    0x0000eda0 - 0x0000edbf (0x20) IX[B]
>     [16] -1    0    0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B]
>     [17] -1    0    0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
>     [18] -1    0    0x00000170 - 0x00000177 (0x8) IX[B]
>     [19] -1    0    0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
>     [20] -1    0    0x000001f0 - 0x000001f7 (0x8) IX[B]
>     [21] -1    0    0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [22] -1    0    0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [23] -1    0    0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B]
> (II) Inactive PCI resource ranges:
>     [0] -1    0    0xfeb80000 - 0xfebfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B)
>     [1] -1    0    0xd0000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
> (II) Active PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps:
>     [0] -1    0    0xfe9fe000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x2000) MX[B]
>     [1] -1    0    0xfe9fbf00 - 0xfe9fbfff (0x100) MX[B]
>     [2] -1    0    0xfe9fd000 - 0xfe9fdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
>     [3] -1    0    0xfe9fc000 - 0xfe9fcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
>     [4] -1    0    0xfeb7f900 - 0xfeb7f9ff (0x100) MX[B]
>     [5] -1    0    0xfeb7fa00 - 0xfeb7fbff (0x200) MX[B]
>     [6] -1    0    0xfeb7fc00 - 0xfeb7ffff (0x400) MX[B]
>     [7] -1    0    0xffa80800 - 0xffa80bff (0x400) MX[B]
>     [8] -1    0    0xd8000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
>     [9] -1    0    0xfe000000 - 0xfe01ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
>     [10] -1    0    0xfd000000 - 0xfdffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
>     [11] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B)
>     [12] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
>     [13] -1    0    0x0000edc0 - 0x0000edff (0x40) IX[B]
>     [14] -1    0    0x0000ee00 - 0x0000eeff (0x100) IX[B]
>     [15] -1    0    0x0000eda0 - 0x0000edbf (0x20) IX[B]
>     [16] -1    0    0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B]
>     [17] -1    0    0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
>     [18] -1    0    0x00000170 - 0x00000177 (0x8) IX[B]
>     [19] -1    0    0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
>     [20] -1    0    0x000001f0 - 0x000001f7 (0x8) IX[B]
>     [21] -1    0    0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [22] -1    0    0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [23] -1    0    0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B]
> (II) Inactive PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps:
>     [0] -1    0    0xfeb80000 - 0xfebfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B)
>     [1] -1    0    0xd0000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
> (II) OS-reported resource ranges after removing overlaps with PCI:
>     [0] -1    0    0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
>     [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
>     [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
>     [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
>     [4] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
>     [5] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
> (II) All system resource ranges:
>     [0] -1    0    0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
>     [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
>     [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
>     [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
>     [4] -1    0    0xfe9fe000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x2000) MX[B]
>     [5] -1    0    0xfe9fbf00 - 0xfe9fbfff (0x100) MX[B]
>     [6] -1    0    0xfe9fd000 - 0xfe9fdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
>     [7] -1    0    0xfe9fc000 - 0xfe9fcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
>     [8] -1    0    0xfeb7f900 - 0xfeb7f9ff (0x100) MX[B]
>     [9] -1    0    0xfeb7fa00 - 0xfeb7fbff (0x200) MX[B]
>     [10] -1    0    0xfeb7fc00 - 0xfeb7ffff (0x400) MX[B]
>     [11] -1    0    0xffa80800 - 0xffa80bff (0x400) MX[B]
>     [12] -1    0    0xd8000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
>     [13] -1    0    0xfe000000 - 0xfe01ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
>     [14] -1    0    0xfd000000 - 0xfdffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
>     [15] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B)
>     [16] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
>     [17] -1    0    0xfeb80000 - 0xfebfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B)
>     [18] -1    0    0xd0000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
>     [19] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
>     [20] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
>     [21] -1    0    0x0000edc0 - 0x0000edff (0x40) IX[B]
>     [22] -1    0    0x0000ee00 - 0x0000eeff (0x100) IX[B]
>     [23] -1    0    0x0000eda0 - 0x0000edbf (0x20) IX[B]
>     [24] -1    0    0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B]
>     [25] -1    0    0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
>     [26] -1    0    0x00000170 - 0x00000177 (0x8) IX[B]
>     [27] -1    0    0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
>     [28] -1    0    0x000001f0 - 0x000001f7 (0x8) IX[B]
>     [29] -1    0    0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [30] -1    0    0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [31] -1    0    0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B]
> (II) "extmod" will be loaded by default.
> (II) "dbe" will be loaded by default.
> (II) "glx" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified
> in the config file.
> (II) "freetype" will be loaded by default.
> (II) "record" will be loaded by default.
> (II) "dri" will be loaded by default.
> (II) LoadModule: "glx"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libglx.so
> (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
>     compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
>     Module class: X.Org Server Extension
>     ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.1
> (II) NVIDIA GLX Module  169.12  Thu Feb 14 18:45:56 PST 2008
> (II) Loading extension GLX
> (II) LoadModule: "extmod"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libextmod.so
> (II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
>     compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.0.0
>     Module class: X.Org Server Extension
>     ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
> (II) Loading extension SHAPE
> (II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD
> (II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS
> (II) Loading extension SYNC
> (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
> (II) Loading extension XC-MISC
> (II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
> (II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc
> (II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
> (II) Loading extension DPMS
> (II) Loading extension TOG-CUP
> (II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information
> (II) Loading extension XVideo
> (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
> (II) Loading extension X-Resource
> (II) LoadModule: "dbe"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdbe.so
> (II) Module dbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
>     compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.0.0
>     Module class: X.Org Server Extension
>     ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
> (II) Loading extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
> (II) LoadModule: "freetype"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//fonts/libfreetype.so
> (II) Module freetype: vendor="X.Org Foundation & the After X-TT Project"
>     compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 2.1.0
>     Module class: X.Org Font Renderer
>     ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.5
> (II) Loading font FreeType
> (II) LoadModule: "record"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//librecord.so
> (II) Module record: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
>     compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.13.0
>     Module class: X.Org Server Extension
>     ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
> (II) Loading extension RECORD
> (II) LoadModule: "dri"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions//libdri.so
> (II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
>     compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.0.0
>     ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.3
> (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
> (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so
> (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
>     compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
>     Module class: X.Org Video Driver
> (II) LoadModule: "kbd"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//kbd_drv.so
> (II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
>     compiled for 1.4.0, module version = 1.2.2
>     Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
>     ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 2.0
> (II) LoadModule: "mouse"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so
> (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
>     compiled for 1.4.0, module version = 1.2.3
>     Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
>     ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 2.0
> (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  169.12  Thu Feb 14 17:55:38 PST 2008
> (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs
> (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:05:0
> (--) Chipset NVIDIA GPU found
> (II) Loading sub module "fb"
> (II) LoadModule: "fb"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libfb.so
> (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
>     compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.0.0
>     ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.3
> (II) Loading sub module "wfb"
> (II) LoadModule: "wfb"
> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules//libwfb.so
> (II) Module wfb: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
>     compiled for 7.1.99.2, module version = 1.0.0
> (II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
> (II) LoadModule: "ramdac"(II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
> (II) resource ranges after xf86ClaimFixedResources() call:
>     [0] -1    0    0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
>     [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
>     [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
>     [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
>     [4] -1    0    0xfe9fe000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x2000) MX[B]
>     [5] -1    0    0xfe9fbf00 - 0xfe9fbfff (0x100) MX[B]
>     [6] -1    0    0xfe9fd000 - 0xfe9fdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
>     [7] -1    0    0xfe9fc000 - 0xfe9fcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
>     [8] -1    0    0xfeb7f900 - 0xfeb7f9ff (0x100) MX[B]
>     [9] -1    0    0xfeb7fa00 - 0xfeb7fbff (0x200) MX[B]
>     [10] -1    0    0xfeb7fc00 - 0xfeb7ffff (0x400) MX[B]
>     [11] -1    0    0xffa80800 - 0xffa80bff (0x400) MX[B]
>     [12] -1    0    0xd8000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
>     [13] -1    0    0xfe000000 - 0xfe01ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
>     [14] -1    0    0xfd000000 - 0xfdffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
>     [15] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B)
>     [16] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
>     [17] -1    0    0xfeb80000 - 0xfebfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B)
>     [18] -1    0    0xd0000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
>     [19] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
>     [20] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
>     [21] -1    0    0x0000edc0 - 0x0000edff (0x40) IX[B]
>     [22] -1    0    0x0000ee00 - 0x0000eeff (0x100) IX[B]
>     [23] -1    0    0x0000eda0 - 0x0000edbf (0x20) IX[B]
>     [24] -1    0    0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B]
>     [25] -1    0    0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
>     [26] -1    0    0x00000170 - 0x00000177 (0x8) IX[B]
>     [27] -1    0    0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
>     [28] -1    0    0x000001f0 - 0x000001f7 (0x8) IX[B]
>     [29] -1    0    0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [30] -1    0    0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [31] -1    0    0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B]
> (II) resource ranges after probing:
>     [0] -1    0    0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
>     [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
>     [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
>     [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
>     [4] -1    0    0xfe9fe000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x2000) MX[B]
>     [5] -1    0    0xfe9fbf00 - 0xfe9fbfff (0x100) MX[B]
>     [6] -1    0    0xfe9fd000 - 0xfe9fdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
>     [7] -1    0    0xfe9fc000 - 0xfe9fcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
>     [8] -1    0    0xfeb7f900 - 0xfeb7f9ff (0x100) MX[B]
>     [9] -1    0    0xfeb7fa00 - 0xfeb7fbff (0x200) MX[B]
>     [10] -1    0    0xfeb7fc00 - 0xfeb7ffff (0x400) MX[B]
>     [11] -1    0    0xffa80800 - 0xffa80bff (0x400) MX[B]
>     [12] -1    0    0xd8000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
>     [13] -1    0    0xfe000000 - 0xfe01ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
>     [14] -1    0    0xfd000000 - 0xfdffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
>     [15] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B)
>     [16] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
>     [17] -1    0    0xfeb80000 - 0xfebfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B)
>     [18] -1    0    0xd0000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
>     [19] 0    0    0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B]
>     [20] 0    0    0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B]
>     [21] 0    0    0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B]
>     [22] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
>     [23] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
>     [24] -1    0    0x0000edc0 - 0x0000edff (0x40) IX[B]
>     [25] -1    0    0x0000ee00 - 0x0000eeff (0x100) IX[B]
>     [26] -1    0    0x0000eda0 - 0x0000edbf (0x20) IX[B]
>     [27] -1    0    0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B]
>     [28] -1    0    0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
>     [29] -1    0    0x00000170 - 0x00000177 (0x8) IX[B]
>     [30] -1    0    0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
>     [31] -1    0    0x000001f0 - 0x000001f7 (0x8) IX[B]
>     [32] -1    0    0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [33] -1    0    0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [34] -1    0    0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [35] 0    0    0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B]
>     [36] 0    0    0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B]
> (II) Setting vga for screen 0.
> (**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
> (==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888
> (==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor
> (==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
> (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "NoLogo" "True"
> (**) NVIDIA(0): Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
> (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling RENDER acceleration
> (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions
> is
> (II) NVIDIA(0):     enabled.
> (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce 6200 (NV44) at PCI:1:5:0 (GPU-0)
> (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 262144 kBytes
> (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 05.44.a2.10.52
> (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on this GPU
> (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce 6200 at PCI:1:5:0:
> (--) NVIDIA(0):     DELL 1504FP (CRT-0)
> (--) NVIDIA(0): DELL 1504FP (CRT-0): 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
> (II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: CRT-0
> (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "720x400"; removing.
> (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:
> (II) NVIDIA(0):     "1024x768"
> (II) NVIDIA(0):     "800x600"
> (II) NVIDIA(0):     "640x480"
> (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1024 x 768
> (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (86, 88); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
> (--) NVIDIA(0):     option
> (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling 32-bit ARGB GLX visuals.
> (--) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
> (II) do I need RAC?  No, I don't.
> (II) resource ranges after preInit:
>     [0] -1    0    0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
>     [1] -1    0    0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
>     [2] -1    0    0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
>     [3] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
>     [4] -1    0    0xfe9fe000 - 0xfe9fffff (0x2000) MX[B]
>     [5] -1    0    0xfe9fbf00 - 0xfe9fbfff (0x100) MX[B]
>     [6] -1    0    0xfe9fd000 - 0xfe9fdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
>     [7] -1    0    0xfe9fc000 - 0xfe9fcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
>     [8] -1    0    0xfeb7f900 - 0xfeb7f9ff (0x100) MX[B]
>     [9] -1    0    0xfeb7fa00 - 0xfeb7fbff (0x200) MX[B]
>     [10] -1    0    0xfeb7fc00 - 0xfeb7ffff (0x400) MX[B]
>     [11] -1    0    0xffa80800 - 0xffa80bff (0x400) MX[B]
>     [12] -1    0    0xd8000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
>     [13] -1    0    0xfe000000 - 0xfe01ffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
>     [14] -1    0    0xfd000000 - 0xfdffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
>     [15] -1    0    0xe0000000 - 0xefffffff (0x10000000) MX[B](B)
>     [16] -1    0    0xfc000000 - 0xfcffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
>     [17] -1    0    0xfeb80000 - 0xfebfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B)
>     [18] -1    0    0xd0000000 - 0xd7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
>     [19] 0    0    0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B]
>     [20] 0    0    0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B]
>     [21] 0    0    0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B]
>     [22] -1    0    0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
>     [23] -1    0    0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
>     [24] -1    0    0x0000edc0 - 0x0000edff (0x40) IX[B]
>     [25] -1    0    0x0000ee00 - 0x0000eeff (0x100) IX[B]
>     [26] -1    0    0x0000eda0 - 0x0000edbf (0x20) IX[B]
>     [27] -1    0    0x0000ffa0 - 0x0000ffaf (0x10) IX[B]
>     [28] -1    0    0x00000374 - 0x00000374 (0x1) IX[B]
>     [29] -1    0    0x00000170 - 0x00000177 (0x8) IX[B]
>     [30] -1    0    0x000003f4 - 0x000003f4 (0x1) IX[B]
>     [31] -1    0    0x000001f0 - 0x000001f7 (0x8) IX[B]
>     [32] -1    0    0x0000ff40 - 0x0000ff5f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [33] -1    0    0x0000ff60 - 0x0000ff7f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [34] -1    0    0x0000ff80 - 0x0000ff9f (0x20) IX[B]
>     [35] 0    0    0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B]
>     [36] 0    0    0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B]
> (II) NVIDIA(0): Initialized GPU GART.
> (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1024x768"
> (II) Loading extension NV-GLX
> (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized
> (II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration architecture
> (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store disabled
> (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled
> (**) Option "dpms"
> (**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled
> (II) Loading extension NV-CONTROL
> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Option "AddARGBVisuals" is not used
> (==) RandR enabled
> (II) Setting vga for screen 0.
> (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM
> (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension
> (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST
> (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD
> (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP
> (II) Initializing built-in extension XAccessControlExtension
> (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY
> (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA
> (II) Initializing built-in extension XFIXES
> (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont
> (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER
> (II) Initializing built-in extension RANDR
> (II) Initializing built-in extension COMPOSITE
> (II) Initializing built-in extension DAMAGE
> (II) Initializing built-in extension XEVIE
> (II) Initializing extension GLX
> (**) Option "CoreKeyboard"
> (**) Generic Keyboard: always reports core events
> (**) Option "Protocol" "standard"
> (**) Generic Keyboard: Protocol: standard
> (**) Option "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
> (**) Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
> (**) Generic Keyboard: XkbRules: "xorg"
> (**) Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
> (**) Generic Keyboard: XkbModel: "pc105"
> (**) Option "XkbLayout" "gb"
> (**) Generic Keyboard: XkbLayout: "gb"
> (**) Option "CustomKeycodes" "off"
> (**) Generic Keyboard: CustomKeycodes disabled
> (**) Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
> (**) Configured Mouse: Device: "/dev/input/mice"
> (**) Configured Mouse: Protocol: "ImPS/2"
> (**) Option "CorePointer"
> (**) Configured Mouse: always reports core events
> (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
> (**) Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
> (**) Configured Mouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50
> (**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> (**) Configured Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5
> (**) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 9
> (**) Configured Mouse: Sensitivity: 1
> (II) evaluating device (Configured Mouse)
> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE)
> (II) evaluating device (Generic Keyboard)
> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Generic Keyboard" (type:
> KEYBOARD)
> (II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded
> SetClientVersion: 0 9
>
> Am I still safe or has something dodgy happened?  Who is Mark?
>
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From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com  Wed May 21 14:09:34 2008
From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:09:34 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805210656v3069d221v49f72ee766dc4736@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805210656v3069d221v49f72ee766dc4736@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8c51aca0805210709v511f5a7ah687025cdd6df809d@mail.gmail.com>

Michael,

2008/5/21 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:
> You've been cracked by the looks of it. It looks as though someone has
> broken in and then probed the system, for various features and also tried to
> start a service, possibly an old version with a known exploit in it (so they
> have a point to exploit in future)

What log lines are you looking at? I could be having a "can't see the
wood from the trees" moment here...

B



From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Wed May 21 14:14:24 2008
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:14:24 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Got a Mac? Don't look, you will cry ;)
In-Reply-To: <200805211343.31030.dh@iucr.org>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805210426v2db3279bh84a51ba487343d20@mail.gmail.com>
	<1211371673.4859.27.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
	<200805211343.31030.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <1211379259.4859.51.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>


On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 13:43 +0100, David Holden wrote:
> I didn't know about this site I do like it though
> 
> http://xkcd.com/354/

Ah yes, I still do that too :-)


> http://xkcd.com/350/

Love that one :)   Anther favourite:
http://xkcd.com/149/

And flicking through at Random:
http://xkcd.com/209/
http://xkcd.com/272/
http://xkcd.com/26/
http://xkcd.com/364/

 - Richard









From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 21 14:33:57 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:33:57 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <e8c51aca0805210709v511f5a7ah687025cdd6df809d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805210656v3069d221v49f72ee766dc4736@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8c51aca0805210709v511f5a7ah687025cdd6df809d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805210733i6609f3dah61dd6c20d9c17737@mail.gmail.com>

My bad, I was looking at the log wrong. I thought a process was being
executed by this 'Mark' but it was, in actual fact, crontab running the
process.

Still, nothing wrong with running a chkrootkit and rkhunter every now and
then. Don't forget to remove them after installing them so the binary's
themselves don't become infected.


On 5/21/08, Bryn Salisbury <bryn.salisbury at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> 2008/5/21 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:
> > You've been cracked by the looks of it. It looks as though someone has
> > broken in and then probed the system, for various features and also tried
> to
> > start a service, possibly an old version with a known exploit in it (so
> they
> > have a point to exploit in future)
>
> What log lines are you looking at? I could be having a "can't see the
> wood from the trees" moment here...
>
> B
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>



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From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com  Wed May 21 14:36:07 2008
From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:36:07 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805210733i6609f3dah61dd6c20d9c17737@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805210656v3069d221v49f72ee766dc4736@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8c51aca0805210709v511f5a7ah687025cdd6df809d@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25cdb7e0805210733i6609f3dah61dd6c20d9c17737@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8c51aca0805210736u45092b62k386b0c1779e42b81@mail.gmail.com>

Michael,

2008/5/21 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:
> My bad, I was looking at the log wrong. I thought a process was being
> executed by this 'Mark' but it was, in actual fact, crontab running the
> process.

Ah, you had me worried there for a second. :)

> Still, nothing wrong with running a chkrootkit and rkhunter every now and
> then. Don't forget to remove them after installing them so the binary's
> themselves don't become infected.
>

I agree, no harm in running them every once in a while. Better safe than sorry.

B



From dh at iucr.org  Wed May 21 14:47:54 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:47:54 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Got a Mac? Don't look, you will cry ;)
In-Reply-To: <1211379259.4859.51.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805210426v2db3279bh84a51ba487343d20@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211343.31030.dh@iucr.org>
	<1211379259.4859.51.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>
Message-ID: <200805211548.30469.dh@iucr.org>

On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Richard Smedley wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 13:43 +0100, David Holden wrote:
> > I didn't know about this site I do like it though
> >
> > http://xkcd.com/354/
>
> Ah yes, I still do that too :-)
>
> > http://xkcd.com/350/
>
> Love that one :)   Anther favourite:
> http://xkcd.com/149/
>
> And flicking through at Random:
> http://xkcd.com/209/
> http://xkcd.com/272/


> http://xkcd.com/26/

Love this, LoL.

> http://xkcd.com/364/
>
>  - Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester



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See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
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From dh at iucr.org  Wed May 21 14:51:23 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:51:23 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <e8c51aca0805210736u45092b62k386b0c1779e42b81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805210733i6609f3dah61dd6c20d9c17737@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8c51aca0805210736u45092b62k386b0c1779e42b81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805211552.01340.dh@iucr.org>

On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Bryn Salisbury wrote:
> Michael,
>
> 2008/5/21 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:
> > My bad, I was looking at the log wrong. I thought a process was being
> > executed by this 'Mark' but it was, in actual fact, crontab running the
> > process.
>
> Ah, you had me worried there for a second. :)
>
> > Still, nothing wrong with running a chkrootkit and rkhunter every now and
> > then. Don't forget to remove them after installing them so the binary's
> > themselves don't become infected.
>
> I agree, no harm in running them every once in a while. Better safe than
> sorry.
>
> B
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

anyone know if debian/ubuntu has a similar command to "rpm -Va", i.e. verify 
all packages.

 Dave.


-- 
Dr. David Holden.

See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 21 15:12:51 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:12:51 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <200805211552.01340.dh@iucr.org>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805210733i6609f3dah61dd6c20d9c17737@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8c51aca0805210736u45092b62k386b0c1779e42b81@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211552.01340.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805210812i7d4c63f9q6822393e0542143b@mail.gmail.com>

Debian/Ubuntu is a deb based system, not an RPM based system as I'm sure you
know. Try synaptic, aptitude and or apt-get (the man pages, that is)

On 5/21/08, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Bryn Salisbury wrote:
> > Michael,
> >
> > 2008/5/21 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:
> > > My bad, I was looking at the log wrong. I thought a process was being
> > > executed by this 'Mark' but it was, in actual fact, crontab running the
> > > process.
> >
> > Ah, you had me worried there for a second. :)
> >
> > > Still, nothing wrong with running a chkrootkit and rkhunter every now
> and
> > > then. Don't forget to remove them after installing them so the binary's
> > > themselves don't become infected.
> >
> > I agree, no harm in running them every once in a while. Better safe than
> > sorry.
> >
> > B
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
> anyone know if debian/ubuntu has a similar command to "rpm -Va", i.e.
> verify
> all packages.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> --
> Dr. David Holden.
>
> See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
> regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 21 15:42:43 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:42:43 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805210812i7d4c63f9q6822393e0542143b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805210733i6609f3dah61dd6c20d9c17737@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8c51aca0805210736u45092b62k386b0c1779e42b81@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211552.01340.dh@iucr.org> 
	<f25cdb7e0805210812i7d4c63f9q6822393e0542143b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W36F6D82F8699EEE5A1039CC5C70@phx.gbl>


Thanks for the advice.  got chkrootkit, getting rkhunter next.

ran chkrootkit.  no problems found.  to uninstall it I use rm?

folder downloaded to is:

/home/imajica/Downloads/chkrootkit-0.48#

a little advice on rm here would go a long way!


Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:12:46 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?

Debian/Ubuntu is a deb based system, not an RPM based system as I'm sure you know. Try synaptic, aptitude and or apt-get (the man pages, that is)


On 5/21/08, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Bryn Salisbury wrote:
> Michael,
>
> 2008/5/21 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:

> > My bad, I was looking at the log wrong. I thought a process was being
> > executed by this 'Mark' but it was, in actual fact, crontab running the
> > process.
>
> Ah, you had me worried there for a second. :)

>
> > Still, nothing wrong with running a chkrootkit and rkhunter every now and
> > then. Don't forget to remove them after installing them so the binary's
> > themselves don't become infected.

>
> I agree, no harm in running them every once in a while. Better safe than
> sorry.
>
> B
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

anyone know if debian/ubuntu has a similar command to "rpm -Va", i.e. verify
all packages.


Dave.


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From r.downing at dl.ac.uk  Wed May 21 15:46:14 2008
From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk (Roger Downing)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:46:14 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W36F6D82F8699EEE5A1039CC5C70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805210812i7d4c63f9q6822393e0542143b@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W36F6D82F8699EEE5A1039CC5C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200805211646.11519.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>

On Wednesday 21 May 2008 16:42:34 Paul Williams wrote:
> Thanks for the advice.  got chkrootkit, getting rkhunter next.
>
> ran chkrootkit.  no problems found.  to uninstall it I use rm?
>
> folder downloaded to is:
>
> /home/imajica/Downloads/chkrootkit-0.48#
>
> a little advice on rm here would go a long way!

Yes just delete it to get rid. All of it will be contained in that one 
directory.

rm -rf /home/imajica/Downloads/chkrootkit-0.48


-- 
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STFC
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From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com  Wed May 21 15:47:03 2008
From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:47:03 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
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Paul,

2008/5/21 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:
> Thanks for the advice.  got chkrootkit, getting rkhunter next.
>
> ran chkrootkit.  no problems found.  to uninstall it I use rm?
>

Depends on how you installed it. If you just grabbed the package and
extracted it, then ran it, rm is probably your way. Otherwise, apt-get
remove $PACKAGENAME

B



From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 21 15:56:11 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:56:11 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <e8c51aca0805210847g4d247cabte76d13c46ca154a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805210733i6609f3dah61dd6c20d9c17737@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8c51aca0805210736u45092b62k386b0c1779e42b81@mail.gmail.com>
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cheers.  roger had it nailed.  couldn't get it with package manager, so didn't try apt-get.  just downloaded and extracted.

either way, rm worked fine.

> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:47:01 +0100
> From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
> 
> Paul,
> 
> 2008/5/21 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:
> > Thanks for the advice.  got chkrootkit, getting rkhunter next.
> >
> > ran chkrootkit.  no problems found.  to uninstall it I use rm?
> >
> 
> Depends on how you installed it. If you just grabbed the package and
> extracted it, then ran it, rm is probably your way. Otherwise, apt-get
> remove $PACKAGENAME
> 
> B
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
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From r.downing at dl.ac.uk  Wed May 21 15:58:30 2008
From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk (Roger Downing)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 15:58:30 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W154EA47E104E6089E4DDEFC5C70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
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On Wednesday 21 May 2008 16:56:03 Paul Williams wrote:
> cheers.  roger had it nailed.  couldn't get it with package manager, so
> didn't try apt-get.  just downloaded and extracted.

Odd, I have it in my packages available. You're using ubuntu right?

-- 
Roger Downing
eScience systems administrator
STFC
Daresbury Laboratories
Keckwick Lane
Warrington
WA4 4AD

Tel: 01925 603937
Mbl: 07880 736154




From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 21 16:00:31 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:00:31 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <200805211658.27335.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<e8c51aca0805210847g4d247cabte76d13c46ca154a4@mail.gmail.com>
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	<200805211658.27335.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
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yup.  looked in both add/remove progs and synaptic.

> From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:58:27 +0100
> 
> On Wednesday 21 May 2008 16:56:03 Paul Williams wrote:
> > cheers.  roger had it nailed.  couldn't get it with package manager, so
> > didn't try apt-get.  just downloaded and extracted.
> 
> Odd, I have it in my packages available. You're using ubuntu right?
> 
> -- 
> Roger Downing
> eScience systems administrator
> STFC
> Daresbury Laboratories
> Keckwick Lane
> Warrington
> WA4 4AD
> 
> Tel: 01925 603937
> Mbl: 07880 736154
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 21 16:05:47 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:05:47 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <200805211658.27335.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
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	<200805211658.27335.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
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Weird.  it is there, but the search failed to find it last time.

> From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:58:27 +0100
> 
> On Wednesday 21 May 2008 16:56:03 Paul Williams wrote:
> > cheers.  roger had it nailed.  couldn't get it with package manager, so
> > didn't try apt-get.  just downloaded and extracted.
> 
> Odd, I have it in my packages available. You're using ubuntu right?
> 
> -- 
> Roger Downing
> eScience systems administrator
> STFC
> Daresbury Laboratories
> Keckwick Lane
> Warrington
> WA4 4AD
> 
> Tel: 01925 603937
> Mbl: 07880 736154
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 21 16:28:47 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:28:47 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
Message-ID: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>


This morning's (thankfully without cause) hacking scare has made me stop being blaze about linux security.  I need to install antivirus and firewall.

Tried clamav, but can't seem to find it in my menus or anywhere?  any ideas?  as for firewalls - people started talking about iptables and I went into newbie mode!  This is a bit like being English abroad - SPEAK LOUDLY AND SSLLOOWWLLYY AND HOPE THE PROBLEM GOES AWAY!

seriously tho, am out of my depth atm.  With windows I had a sh*tload of security stuff running that I knew how to work.  Now I haven't a clue.  any help is seriously appreciated.

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 21 16:35:53 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:35:53 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
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	<e8c51aca0805210736u45092b62k386b0c1779e42b81@mail.gmail.com>
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Depends on your distro? Ubuntu, sudo apt-get remove chkrootkit

On 5/21/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the advice.  got chkrootkit, getting rkhunter next.
>
> ran chkrootkit.  no problems found.  to uninstall it I use rm?
>
> folder downloaded to is:
>
> /home/imajica/Downloads/chkrootkit-0.48#
>
> a little advice on rm here would go a long way!
>
>
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:12:46 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
>
> Debian/Ubuntu is a deb based system, not an RPM based system as I'm sure you
> know. Try synaptic, aptitude and or apt-get (the man pages, that is)
>
>
> On 5/21/08, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Bryn Salisbury wrote:
>> Michael,
>>
>> 2008/5/21 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:
>
>> > My bad, I was looking at the log wrong. I thought a process was being
>> > executed by this 'Mark' but it was, in actual fact, crontab running the
>> > process.
>>
>> Ah, you had me worried there for a second. :)
>
>>
>> > Still, nothing wrong with running a chkrootkit and rkhunter every now
>> > and
>> > then. Don't forget to remove them after installing them so the binary's
>> > themselves don't become infected.
>
>>
>> I agree, no harm in running them every once in a while. Better safe than
>> sorry.
>>
>> B
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
> anyone know if debian/ubuntu has a similar command to "rpm -Va", i.e. verify
> all packages.
>
>
> Dave.
>
>
> --
> Dr. David Holden.
>
> See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
> regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
> --
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> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 21 16:36:54 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:36:54 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805210935w43e26dc9tcb56a47f1c67aa5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805210733i6609f3dah61dd6c20d9c17737@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8c51aca0805210736u45092b62k386b0c1779e42b81@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211552.01340.dh@iucr.org>
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	<BAY110-W36F6D82F8699EEE5A1039CC5C70@phx.gbl> 
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cheers.

> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:35:41 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
> 
> Depends on your distro? Ubuntu, sudo apt-get remove chkrootkit
> 
> On 5/21/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the advice.  got chkrootkit, getting rkhunter next.
> >
> > ran chkrootkit.  no problems found.  to uninstall it I use rm?
> >
> > folder downloaded to is:
> >
> > /home/imajica/Downloads/chkrootkit-0.48#
> >
> > a little advice on rm here would go a long way!
> >
> >
> > Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 16:12:46 +0100
> > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
> >
> > Debian/Ubuntu is a deb based system, not an RPM based system as I'm sure you
> > know. Try synaptic, aptitude and or apt-get (the man pages, that is)
> >
> >
> > On 5/21/08, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Bryn Salisbury wrote:
> >> Michael,
> >>
> >> 2008/5/21 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:
> >
> >> > My bad, I was looking at the log wrong. I thought a process was being
> >> > executed by this 'Mark' but it was, in actual fact, crontab running the
> >> > process.
> >>
> >> Ah, you had me worried there for a second. :)
> >
> >>
> >> > Still, nothing wrong with running a chkrootkit and rkhunter every now
> >> > and
> >> > then. Don't forget to remove them after installing them so the binary's
> >> > themselves don't become infected.
> >
> >>
> >> I agree, no harm in running them every once in a while. Better safe than
> >> sorry.
> >>
> >> B
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chester mailing list
> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >
> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> > anyone know if debian/ubuntu has a similar command to "rpm -Va", i.e. verify
> > all packages.
> >
> >
> > Dave.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr. David Holden.
> >
> > See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
> > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
> > --
> > M. T. Crilly
> > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> >
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/
> 
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 21 17:56:57 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:56:57 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
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Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
make it easier install firestarter.

I haven't installed antivirus my self.

If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's password
is as good as the root password - not good.

On 5/21/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> This morning's (thankfully without cause) hacking scare has made me stop
> being blaze about linux security.  I need to install antivirus and firewall.
>
> Tried clamav, but can't seem to find it in my menus or anywhere?  any ideas?
>  as for firewalls - people started talking about iptables and I went into
> newbie mode!  This is a bit like being English abroad - SPEAK LOUDLY AND
> SSLLOOWWLLYY AND HOPE THE PROBLEM GOES AWAY!
>
> seriously tho, am out of my depth atm.  With windows I had a sh*tload of
> security stuff running that I knew how to work.  Now I haven't a clue.  any
> help is seriously appreciated.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000002ukm/direct/01/

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From r.downing at dl.ac.uk  Wed May 21 19:32:24 2008
From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk (Roger Downing)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:32:24 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805211056l79cbb1e0y7675723bbcd253ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805211056l79cbb1e0y7675723bbcd253ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805212032.22205.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>

On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
> Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
> make it easier install firestarter.
Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably more simple 
to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any services such 
as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would connect _to_ ) 
then a firewall is not useful. 
Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows antivirus 
tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for infected 
files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses like 
Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the virus 
threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof of concept 
viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their hands 
coping with the many different systems out there. A windows machine is a 
windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can infect one you can infect 
them all (modulo patches etc).
The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl attack vectors 
are going to be active services your machine offers.

>
> I haven't installed antivirus my self.
Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the Windows install 
also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.

>
> If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
> configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's password
> is as good as the root password - not good.
How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to become root 
with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have to 
remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached credentials 
meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require repeated 
authentication.


-- 
Roger Downing
eScience systems administrator
STFC
Daresbury Laboratories
Keckwick Lane
Warrington
WA4 4AD

Tel: 01925 603937
Mbl: 07880 736154



From rcgibson at talktalk.net  Wed May 21 19:59:17 2008
From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:59:17 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <200805212032.22205.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>	<f25cdb7e0805211056l79cbb1e0y7675723bbcd253ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805212032.22205.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <48347F0B.90100@talktalk.net>

Roger Downing said the following on 21/05/2008 20:32:
> How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to become root 
> with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have to 
> remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached credentials 
> meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require repeated 
> authentication.
What about the situation if (when) your system crashes, maybe a critical 
disc error, and you attempt recovery with a live CD or whatever.  Won't 
you need to have remembered the root password to be effective.  A ploy I 
have adopted in the past is to set up a second (super)user with root 
permissions, but with my full set of aliases, including safety things 
like rm -i, and done all my root stuff there.  Making it easy to become 
root, allows the enemy within to creep up when you go for a coffee or 
whatever.  It might just be mischief making, but it can cause havoc.  
There are enough easy ways to remember good root passwords.  I'm a bit 
long in the tooth, but I have been grateful for having done things properly.

Roger
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From r.downing at dl.ac.uk  Wed May 21 20:46:11 2008
From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk (Roger Downing)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:46:11 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <48347F0B.90100@talktalk.net>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <200805212146.09113.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>

On Wednesday 21 May 2008 20:59:07 Roger Gibson wrote:
> What about the situation if (when) your system crashes, maybe a critical
> disc error, and you attempt recovery with a live CD or whatever.  Won't you
> need to have remembered the root password to be effective.  
I suppose that depends on the system. Built-in rescue modes sometimes require 
the root password, but this can always be avoided by booting with 
init=/bin/sh. With any CD one would just be able to mount the partitions with 
root access anyway.

-- 
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eScience systems administrator
STFC
Daresbury Laboratories
Keckwick Lane
Warrington
WA4 4AD

Tel: 01925 603937
Mbl: 07880 736154




From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 21 21:12:55 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:12:55 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <200805212032.22205.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805211056l79cbb1e0y7675723bbcd253ea@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200805212032.22205.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W1A46AA58CDD4A68D4CAE3C5C70@phx.gbl>


Cheers for all these tips, guys.

Have installed firestarter.  Will let you know how it goes...

As for anti virus.  I use AVG with XP, and have it disabled unless needed for a scan.  I was hoping for the same for Linux.  Will Clamav do the job, or is there someting better out there?

> From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:22 +0100
> 
> On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
> > Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
> > make it easier install firestarter.
> Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably more simple 
> to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any services such 
> as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would connect _to_ ) 
> then a firewall is not useful. 
> Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows antivirus 
> tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for infected 
> files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses like 
> Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the virus 
> threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof of concept 
> viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their hands 
> coping with the many different systems out there. A windows machine is a 
> windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can infect one you can infect 
> them all (modulo patches etc).
> The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl attack vectors 
> are going to be active services your machine offers.
> 
> >
> > I haven't installed antivirus my self.
> Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the Windows install 
> also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.
> 
> >
> > If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
> > configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's password
> > is as good as the root password - not good.
> How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to become root 
> with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have to 
> remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached credentials 
> meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require repeated 
> authentication.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Roger Downing
> eScience systems administrator
> STFC
> Daresbury Laboratories
> Keckwick Lane
> Warrington
> WA4 4AD
> 
> Tel: 01925 603937
> Mbl: 07880 736154
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 21 21:48:41 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:48:41 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W1A46AA58CDD4A68D4CAE3C5C70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805211056l79cbb1e0y7675723bbcd253ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805212032.22205.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
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Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805211448k11fc1feftb95f113110691b7c@mail.gmail.com>

Just crontab the av for regular scans. As for on-the-fly checks, read
about selinux.

On 5/21/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Cheers for all these tips, guys.
>
> Have installed firestarter.  Will let you know how it goes...
>
> As for anti virus.  I use AVG with XP, and have it disabled unless needed
> for a scan.  I was hoping for the same for Linux.  Will Clamav do the job,
> or is there someting better out there?
>
>> From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
>> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:22 +0100
>>
>> On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
>> > Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
>> > make it easier install firestarter.
>> Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably more
>> simple
>> to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any services
>> such
>> as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would connect
>> _to_ )
>> then a firewall is not useful.
>> Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows antivirus
>>
>> tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for infected
>> files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses like
>> Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the virus
>> threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof of
>> concept
>> viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their hands
>> coping with the many different systems out there. A windows machine is a
>> windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can infect one you can
>> infect
>> them all (modulo patches etc).
>> The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl attack
>> vectors
>> are going to be active services your machine offers.
>>
>> >
>> > I haven't installed antivirus my self.
>> Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the Windows
>> install
>> also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.
>>
>> >
>> > If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
>> > configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's password
>> > is as good as the root password - not good.
>> How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to become
>> root
>> with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have to
>> remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached credentials
>> meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require repeated
>> authentication.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Roger Downing
>> eScience systems administrator
>> STFC
>> Daresbury Laboratories
>> Keckwick Lane
>> Warrington
>> WA4 4AD
>>
>> Tel: 01925 603937
>> Mbl: 07880 736154
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Wed May 21 22:08:44 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:08:44 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Asus
Message-ID: <a801c01e0805211508y7ffa3647vb7c47a0a2a6fed5f@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like a decent price...

http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx?Quicklinx=4ts2
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 21 22:20:07 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:20:07 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Asus
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0805211508y7ffa3647vb7c47a0a2a6fed5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a801c01e0805211508y7ffa3647vb7c47a0a2a6fed5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W408CA7A50E2EB50C294B53C5C70@phx.gbl>


It's the 2Gb version, same as mine.  Price is good, but I'd go for at least the 4Gb, pref the new eeepc 900 series, with bigger ssd and screen, but at a fraction more weight and size.  cost is higher, but if it's a problem, go for the 4G.

The 2G is good, but the ram isn't upgradable without cracking the box open. the 4G has an upgrade panel allowing up to 2G ram to be put in.  The processor is 800mhz underclocked to about 533mhz, whereas the 4G is a 900mhz underclocked to about 600mhz, and can be clocked to 900 at a push.  you cant mess with the 2g's clock speed (as yet).  The lower ssd is a real impact on the OS you can put on there (as I'm finding out!)

Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 23:08:42 +0100
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [Chester LUG] Asus

Looks like a decent price...

http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx?Quicklinx=4ts2


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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Thu May 22 06:57:53 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 06:57:53 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Asus
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W408CA7A50E2EB50C294B53C5C70@phx.gbl>
References: <a801c01e0805211508y7ffa3647vb7c47a0a2a6fed5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W408CA7A50E2EB50C294B53C5C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0805212357x79ed602ai8acc3f93462f8a56@mail.gmail.com>

All very good points!

Thanks

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

>  It's the 2Gb version, same as mine.  Price is good, but I'd go for at
> least the 4Gb, pref the new eeepc 900 series, with bigger ssd and screen,
> but at a fraction more weight and size.  cost is higher, but if it's a
> problem, go for the 4G.
>
> The 2G is good, but the ram isn't upgradable without cracking the box open.
> the 4G has an upgrade panel allowing up to 2G ram to be put in.  The
> processor is 800mhz underclocked to about 533mhz, whereas the 4G is a 900mhz
> underclocked to about 600mhz, and can be clocked to 900 at a push.  you cant
> mess with the 2g's clock speed (as yet).  The lower ssd is a real impact on
> the OS you can put on there (as I'm finding out!)
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 23:08:42 +0100
> From: les.pritchard at gmail.com
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Asus
>
> Looks like a decent price...
>
> http://www.dabs.com/ProductView.aspx?Quicklinx=4ts2
>
>
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Thu May 22 09:46:56 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:46:56 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W1A46AA58CDD4A68D4CAE3C5C70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805211056l79cbb1e0y7675723bbcd253ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805212032.22205.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
	<BAY110-W1A46AA58CDD4A68D4CAE3C5C70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805220246n69878bdco8077a445e984431b@mail.gmail.com>

No idea when it comes to AV on Linux (or even Windows); I'm just careful
what I install/use. I'd suggest learning iptables's syntax as you'll learn a
lot and get a better understanding about networking, such as packet states
and NATing.

On 5/21/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Cheers for all these tips, guys.
>
> Have installed firestarter.  Will let you know how it goes...
>
> As for anti virus.  I use AVG with XP, and have it disabled unless needed
> for a scan.  I was hoping for the same for Linux.  Will Clamav do the job,
> or is there someting better out there?
>
> > From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:22 +0100
> >
> > On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
> > > Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
> > > make it easier install firestarter.
> > Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably more
> simple
> > to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any services
> such
> > as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would connect
> _to_ )
> > then a firewall is not useful.
> > Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows
> antivirus
> > tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for infected
>
> > files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses like
> > Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the virus
>
> > threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof of
> concept
> > viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their hands
> > coping with the many different systems out there. A windows machine is a
> > windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can infect one you can
> infect
> > them all (modulo patches etc).
> > The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl attack
> vectors
> > are going to be active services your machine offers.
> >
> > >
> > > I haven't installed antivirus my self.
> > Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the Windows
> install
> > also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.
> >
> > >
> > > If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
> > > configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's password
> > > is as good as the root password - not good.
> > How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to become
> root
> > with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have to
> > remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached credentials
> > meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require repeated
> > authentication.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Roger Downing
> > eScience systems administrator
> > STFC
> > Daresbury Laboratories
> > Keckwick Lane
> > Warrington
> > WA4 4AD
> >
> > Tel: 01925 603937
> > Mbl: 07880 736154
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
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From dh at iucr.org  Thu May 22 10:26:46 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:26:46 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805210812i7d4c63f9q6822393e0542143b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<200805211552.01340.dh@iucr.org>
	<f25cdb7e0805210812i7d4c63f9q6822393e0542143b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805221127.25643.dh@iucr.org>

On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote:
> Debian/Ubuntu is a deb based system, not an RPM based system as I'm sure
> you know. Try synaptic, aptitude and or apt-get (the man pages, that is)
>

err yeh, that why I was asking..


  dave.


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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Thu May 22 10:33:08 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:33:08 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <200805221127.25643.dh@iucr.org>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<200805211552.01340.dh@iucr.org>
	<f25cdb7e0805210812i7d4c63f9q6822393e0542143b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805221127.25643.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805220333r120040a1v5b3984d288ddee28@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I once installed an RPM on a deb based system. The reinstallation of
the OS was the fun part.

On 5/22/08, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote:
> > Debian/Ubuntu is a deb based system, not an RPM based system as I'm sure
> > you know. Try synaptic, aptitude and or apt-get (the man pages, that is)
> >
>
> err yeh, that why I was asking..
>
>
> dave.
>
>
> --
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From dh at iucr.org  Thu May 22 10:47:36 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:47:36 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805220333r120040a1v5b3984d288ddee28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<200805221127.25643.dh@iucr.org>
	<f25cdb7e0805220333r120040a1v5b3984d288ddee28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805221148.16783.dh@iucr.org>

On Thursday 22 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote:
> Well, I once installed an RPM on a deb based system. The reinstallation of
> the OS was the fun part.
>
> On 5/22/08, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote:
> > > Debian/Ubuntu is a deb based system, not an RPM based system as I'm
> > > sure you know. Try synaptic, aptitude and or apt-get (the man pages,
> > > that is)
> >
> > err yeh, that why I was asking..
> >
> >
> > dave.
> >


hmm, to clarify, Paul's worry was about being hacked, for those that don't 
know rpm, "rpm -Va" verifies installed packages for owners/groups, 
permissions, md5 sums, dependencies, modification times etc, assuming the rpm 
system has not also been compromised this can be quite useful in spotting 
changes to a system, so I'm wondering does anyone know if apt-get/dpkg etc 
has something equivalent.

cheers,

Dave.



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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Thu May 22 11:27:22 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:27:22 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] worried - hacked?
In-Reply-To: <200805221148.16783.dh@iucr.org>
References: <BAY110-W42FCB94E5625DE1DB2D518C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<200805221127.25643.dh@iucr.org>
	<f25cdb7e0805220333r120040a1v5b3984d288ddee28@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805221148.16783.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805220427k16caee54r15d1bf9c44eb7600@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry Dave, I've completely misunderstood.

I'm not to sure to be honest, as the packages are checked as they're
downloaded, I believe. I'll certainly look into it.


On 5/22/08, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
>
> On Thursday 22 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote:
> > Well, I once installed an RPM on a deb based system. The reinstallation
> of
> > the OS was the fun part.
> >
> > On 5/22/08, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 21 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote:
> > > > Debian/Ubuntu is a deb based system, not an RPM based system as I'm
> > > > sure you know. Try synaptic, aptitude and or apt-get (the man pages,
> > > > that is)
> > >
> > > err yeh, that why I was asking..
> > >
> > >
> > > dave.
> > >
>
>
> hmm, to clarify, Paul's worry was about being hacked, for those that don't
> know rpm, "rpm -Va" verifies installed packages for owners/groups,
> permissions, md5 sums, dependencies, modification times etc, assuming the
> rpm
> system has not also been compromised this can be quite useful in spotting
> changes to a system, so I'm wondering does anyone know if apt-get/dpkg etc
> has something equivalent.
>
> cheers,
>
> Dave.
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. David Holden.
>
> See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
> regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Thu May 22 11:31:14 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:31:14 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805220246n69878bdco8077a445e984431b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805211056l79cbb1e0y7675723bbcd253ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805212032.22205.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
	<BAY110-W1A46AA58CDD4A68D4CAE3C5C70@phx.gbl> 
	<f25cdb7e0805220246n69878bdco8077a445e984431b@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey, I'm willing to try just about anything (up to a point).  Until then, is there any way to get firestarter to load up automatically when I fire up Ubuntu?

Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:46:45 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security

No idea when it comes to AV on Linux (or even Windows); I'm just careful what I install/use. I'd suggest learning iptables's syntax as you'll learn a lot and get a better understanding about networking, such as packet states and NATing.

 
On 5/21/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

Cheers for all these tips, guys.

Have installed firestarter.  Will let you know how it goes...

As for anti virus.  I use AVG with XP, and have it disabled unless needed for a scan.  I was hoping for the same for Linux.  Will Clamav do the job, or is there someting better out there?


> From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:22 +0100 

> 
> On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
> > Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
> > make it easier install firestarter.

> Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably more simple 
> to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any services such 
> as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would connect _to_ ) 

> then a firewall is not useful. 
> Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows antivirus 
> tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for infected 
> files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses like 

> Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the virus 
> threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof of concept 
> viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their hands 

> coping with the many different systems out there. A windows machine is a 
> windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can infect one you can infect 
> them all (modulo patches etc).
> The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl attack vectors 

> are going to be active services your machine offers.
> 
> >
> > I haven't installed antivirus my self.
> Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the Windows install 

> also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.
> 
> >
> > If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
> > configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's password

> > is as good as the root password - not good.
> How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to become root 
> with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have to 

> remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached credentials 
> meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require repeated 
> authentication.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Roger Downing

> eScience systems administrator
> STFC
> Daresbury Laboratories
> Keckwick Lane
> Warrington
> WA4 4AD
> 
> Tel: 01925 603937
> Mbl: 07880 736154
> 
> _______________________________________________

> Chester mailing list
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From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:50:27 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W2461D2BB32B7DC9F6EBF65C5C60@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805211056l79cbb1e0y7675723bbcd253ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805212032.22205.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
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Firestarter is a front end, not the actual firewall. The firewall is
'iptables', Firestarter is just a GUI for configuring it. DO NOT HAVE
FIRESTARTER RUNNING CONSTANTLY! :)

On 5/22/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hey, I'm willing to try just about anything (up to a point).  Until then,
> is there any way to get firestarter to load up automatically when I fire up
> Ubuntu?
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:46:45 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
>
> No idea when it comes to AV on Linux (or even Windows); I'm just careful
> what I install/use. I'd suggest learning iptables's syntax as you'll learn a
> lot and get a better understanding about networking, such as packet states
> and NATing.
>
> On 5/21/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Cheers for all these tips, guys.
>
> Have installed firestarter.  Will let you know how it goes...
>
> As for anti virus.  I use AVG with XP, and have it disabled unless needed
> for a scan.  I was hoping for the same for Linux.  Will Clamav do the job,
> or is there someting better out there?
>
> > From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:22 +0100
> >
> > On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
> > > Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
> > > make it easier install firestarter.
> > Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably more
> simple
> > to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any services
> such
> > as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would connect
> _to_ )
> > then a firewall is not useful.
> > Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows
> antivirus
> > tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for infected
>
> > files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses like
> > Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the virus
>
> > threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof of
> concept
> > viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their hands
> > coping with the many different systems out there. A windows machine is a
> > windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can infect one you can
> infect
> > them all (modulo patches etc).
> > The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl attack
> vectors
> > are going to be active services your machine offers.
> >
> > >
> > > I haven't installed antivirus my self.
> > Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the Windows
> install
> > also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.
> >
> > >
> > > If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
> > > configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's password
> > > is as good as the root password - not good.
> > How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to become
> root
> > with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have to
> > remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached credentials
> > meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require repeated
> > authentication.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Roger Downing
> > eScience systems administrator
> > STFC
> > Daresbury Laboratories
> > Keckwick Lane
> > Warrington
> > WA4 4AD
> >
> > Tel: 01925 603937
> > Mbl: 07880 736154
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
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>
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Thu May 22 11:52:08 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:52:08 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805220450m36e402a6x3904de463b0a1cdd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805211056l79cbb1e0y7675723bbcd253ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805212032.22205.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
	<BAY110-W1A46AA58CDD4A68D4CAE3C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805220246n69878bdco8077a445e984431b@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W2461D2BB32B7DC9F6EBF65C5C60@phx.gbl> 
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oops.  my bad.  ok.  whats with these iptables then?

Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:50:15 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security

Firestarter is a front end, not the actual firewall. The firewall is 'iptables', Firestarter is just a GUI for configuring it. DO NOT HAVE FIRESTARTER RUNNING CONSTANTLY! :)


On 5/22/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

Hey, I'm willing to try just about anything (up to a point).  Until then, is there any way to get firestarter to load up automatically when I fire up Ubuntu?




Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:46:45 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk 

To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security



No idea when it comes to AV on Linux (or even Windows); I'm just careful what I install/use. I'd suggest learning iptables's syntax as you'll learn a lot and get a better understanding about networking, such as packet states and NATing.

 
On 5/21/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote: 

Cheers for all these tips, guys.

Have installed firestarter.  Will let you know how it goes...

As for anti virus.  I use AVG with XP, and have it disabled unless needed for a scan.  I was hoping for the same for Linux.  Will Clamav do the job, or is there someting better out there?


> From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:22 +0100 

> 
> On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
> > Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
> > make it easier install firestarter.
> Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably more simple 

> to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any services such 
> as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would connect _to_ ) 
> then a firewall is not useful. 
> Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows antivirus 

> tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for infected 
> files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses like 
> Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the virus 

> threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof of concept 
> viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their hands 
> coping with the many different systems out there. A windows machine is a 

> windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can infect one you can infect 
> them all (modulo patches etc).
> The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl attack vectors 
> are going to be active services your machine offers.

> 
> >
> > I haven't installed antivirus my self.
> Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the Windows install 
> also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.

> 
> >
> > If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
> > configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's password
> > is as good as the root password - not good.

> How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to become root 
> with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have to 
> remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached credentials 

> meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require repeated 
> authentication.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Roger Downing
> eScience systems administrator
> STFC
> Daresbury Laboratories

> Keckwick Lane
> Warrington
> WA4 4AD
> 
> Tel: 01925 603937
> Mbl: 07880 736154
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester



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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Thu May 22 11:56:47 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:56:47 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W38B7A35DFEEE1ADADE864C5C60@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
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	<f25cdb7e0805220246n69878bdco8077a445e984431b@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805220456y1f8e293dq49e0ba069071fe73@mail.gmail.com>

iptables is a packet filter which was included with th 2.4.* kernel I
believe. It's a part of the netfilter routines in the kernel(?)

It's complex to manage from the console, but you learn a lot.


On 5/22/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> oops.  my bad.  ok.  whats with these iptables then?
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:50:15 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
>
> Firestarter is a front end, not the actual firewall. The firewall is
> 'iptables', Firestarter is just a GUI for configuring it. DO NOT HAVE
> FIRESTARTER RUNNING CONSTANTLY! :)
>
> On 5/22/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hey, I'm willing to try just about anything (up to a point).  Until then,
> is there any way to get firestarter to load up automatically when I fire up
> Ubuntu?
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:46:45 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
>
> No idea when it comes to AV on Linux (or even Windows); I'm just careful
> what I install/use. I'd suggest learning iptables's syntax as you'll learn a
> lot and get a better understanding about networking, such as packet states
> and NATing.
>
> On 5/21/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Cheers for all these tips, guys.
>
> Have installed firestarter.  Will let you know how it goes...
>
> As for anti virus.  I use AVG with XP, and have it disabled unless needed
> for a scan.  I was hoping for the same for Linux.  Will Clamav do the job,
> or is there someting better out there?
>
> > From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:22 +0100
> >
> > On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
> > > Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
> > > make it easier install firestarter.
> > Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably more
> simple
> > to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any services
> such
> > as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would connect
> _to_ )
> > then a firewall is not useful.
> > Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows
> antivirus
> > tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for infected
>
> > files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses like
> > Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the virus
>
> > threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof of
> concept
> > viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their hands
> > coping with the many different systems out there. A windows machine is a
> > windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can infect one you can
> infect
> > them all (modulo patches etc).
> > The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl attack
> vectors
> > are going to be active services your machine offers.
> >
> > >
> > > I haven't installed antivirus my self.
> > Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the Windows
> install
> > also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.
> >
> > >
> > > If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
> > > configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's password
> > > is as good as the root password - not good.
> > How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to become
> root
> > with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have to
> > remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached credentials
> > meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require repeated
> > authentication.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Roger Downing
> > eScience systems administrator
> > STFC
> > Daresbury Laboratories
> > Keckwick Lane
> > Warrington
> > WA4 4AD
> >
> > Tel: 01925 603937
> > Mbl: 07880 736154
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Thu May 22 12:01:23 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:01:23 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
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References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
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	<200805212032.22205.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
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	<f25cdb7e0805220246n69878bdco8077a445e984431b@mail.gmail.com>
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Fairy nuff.  I realise that you might not have the time to go through IPtables at length (esp if at work, and I'm out in a bit.  Can you recommend a site that could guide a newbie like me through the minefield and so that I don't end up castrating my internet? ;P

Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:56:41 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security

iptables is a packet filter which was included with th 2.4.* kernel I believe. It's a part of the netfilter routines in the kernel(?)
 
It's complex to manage from the console, but you learn a lot.

 
On 5/22/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

oops.  my bad.  ok.  whats with these iptables then?




Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:50:15 +0100 

From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security

Firestarter is a front end, not the actual firewall. The firewall is 'iptables', Firestarter is just a GUI for configuring it. DO NOT HAVE FIRESTARTER RUNNING CONSTANTLY! :)



On 5/22/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote: 

Hey, I'm willing to try just about anything (up to a point).  Until then, is there any way to get firestarter to load up automatically when I fire up Ubuntu?




Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:46:45 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk 

To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security


No idea when it comes to AV on Linux (or even Windows); I'm just careful what I install/use. I'd suggest learning iptables's syntax as you'll learn a lot and get a better understanding about networking, such as packet states and NATing.

 
On 5/21/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote: 

Cheers for all these tips, guys.

Have installed firestarter.  Will let you know how it goes...

As for anti virus.  I use AVG with XP, and have it disabled unless needed for a scan.  I was hoping for the same for Linux.  Will Clamav do the job, or is there someting better out there?


> From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:22 +0100 

> 
> On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
> > Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
> > make it easier install firestarter.
> Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably more simple 

> to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any services such 
> as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would connect _to_ ) 
> then a firewall is not useful. 
> Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows antivirus 

> tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for infected 
> files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses like 
> Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the virus 

> threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof of concept 
> viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their hands 
> coping with the many different systems out there. A windows machine is a 

> windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can infect one you can infect 
> them all (modulo patches etc).
> The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl attack vectors 
> are going to be active services your machine offers.

> 
> >
> > I haven't installed antivirus my self.
> Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the Windows install 
> also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.

> 
> >
> > If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
> > configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's password
> > is as good as the root password - not good.

> How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to become root 
> with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have to 
> remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached credentials 

> meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require repeated 
> authentication.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Roger Downing
> eScience systems administrator
> STFC
> Daresbury Laboratories

> Keckwick Lane
> Warrington
> WA4 4AD
> 
> Tel: 01925 603937
> Mbl: 07880 736154
> 
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From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:32:10 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
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http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html

On 5/22/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Fairy nuff.  I realise that you might not have the time to go through
> IPtables at length (esp if at work, and I'm out in a bit.  Can you recommend
> a site that could guide a newbie like me through the minefield and so that I
> don't end up castrating my internet? ;P
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:56:41 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
>
> iptables is a packet filter which was included with th 2.4.* kernel I
> believe. It's a part of the netfilter routines in the kernel(?)
>
> It's complex to manage from the console, but you learn a lot.
>
>
> On 5/22/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> oops.  my bad.  ok.  whats with these iptables then?
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:50:15 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
>
> Firestarter is a front end, not the actual firewall. The firewall is
> 'iptables', Firestarter is just a GUI for configuring it. DO NOT HAVE
> FIRESTARTER RUNNING CONSTANTLY! :)
>
> On 5/22/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hey, I'm willing to try just about anything (up to a point).  Until then,
> is there any way to get firestarter to load up automatically when I fire up
> Ubuntu?
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:46:45 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
>
> No idea when it comes to AV on Linux (or even Windows); I'm just careful
> what I install/use. I'd suggest learning iptables's syntax as you'll learn a
> lot and get a better understanding about networking, such as packet states
> and NATing.
>
> On 5/21/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Cheers for all these tips, guys.
>
> Have installed firestarter.  Will let you know how it goes...
>
> As for anti virus.  I use AVG with XP, and have it disabled unless needed
> for a scan.  I was hoping for the same for Linux.  Will Clamav do the job,
> or is there someting better out there?
>
> > From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:22 +0100
> >
> > On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
> > > Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
> > > make it easier install firestarter.
> > Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably more
> simple
> > to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any services
> such
> > as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would connect
> _to_ )
> > then a firewall is not useful.
> > Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows
> antivirus
> > tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for infected
>
> > files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses like
> > Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the virus
>
> > threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof of
> concept
> > viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their hands
> > coping with the many different systems out there. A windows machine is a
> > windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can infect one you can
> infect
> > them all (modulo patches etc).
> > The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl attack
> vectors
> > are going to be active services your machine offers.
> >
> > >
> > > I haven't installed antivirus my self.
> > Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the Windows
> install
> > also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.
> >
> > >
> > > If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
> > > configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's password
> > > is as good as the root password - not good.
> > How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to become
> root
> > with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have to
> > remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached credentials
> > meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require repeated
> > authentication.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Roger Downing
> > eScience systems administrator
> > STFC
> > Daresbury Laboratories
> > Keckwick Lane
> > Warrington
> > WA4 4AD
> >
> > Tel: 01925 603937
> > Mbl: 07880 736154
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:55:10 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
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On Thursday 22 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote:
> http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html

webmin has a nice interface to this.

http://www.webmin.com/

Dave.


>
> On 5/22/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > Fairy nuff.  I realise that you might not have the time to go through
> > IPtables at length (esp if at work, and I'm out in a bit.  Can you
> > recommend a site that could guide a newbie like me through the minefield
> > and so that I don't end up castrating my internet? ;P
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:56:41 +0100
> > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> >
> > iptables is a packet filter which was included with th 2.4.* kernel I
> > believe. It's a part of the netfilter routines in the kernel(?)
> >
> > It's complex to manage from the console, but you learn a lot.
> >
> >
> > On 5/22/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > oops.  my bad.  ok.  whats with these iptables then?
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:50:15 +0100
> > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> >
> > Firestarter is a front end, not the actual firewall. The firewall is
> > 'iptables', Firestarter is just a GUI for configuring it. DO NOT HAVE
> > FIRESTARTER RUNNING CONSTANTLY! :)
> >
> > On 5/22/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, I'm willing to try just about anything (up to a point).  Until then,
> > is there any way to get firestarter to load up automatically when I fire
> > up Ubuntu?
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:46:45 +0100
> > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> >
> > No idea when it comes to AV on Linux (or even Windows); I'm just careful
> > what I install/use. I'd suggest learning iptables's syntax as you'll
> > learn a lot and get a better understanding about networking, such as
> > packet states and NATing.
> >
> > On 5/21/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Cheers for all these tips, guys.
> >
> > Have installed firestarter.  Will let you know how it goes...
> >
> > As for anti virus.  I use AVG with XP, and have it disabled unless needed
> > for a scan.  I was hoping for the same for Linux.  Will Clamav do the
> > job, or is there someting better out there?
> >
> > > From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > > Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:22 +0100
> > >
> > > On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
> > > > Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
> > > > make it easier install firestarter.
> > >
> > > Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably more
> >
> > simple
> >
> > > to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any
> > > services
> >
> > such
> >
> > > as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would connect
> >
> > _to_ )
> >
> > > then a firewall is not useful.
> > > Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows
> >
> > antivirus
> >
> > > tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for
> > > infected
> > >
> > > files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses like
> > > Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the
> > > virus
> > >
> > > threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof of
> >
> > concept
> >
> > > viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their
> > > hands coping with the many different systems out there. A windows
> > > machine is a windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can infect
> > > one you can
> >
> > infect
> >
> > > them all (modulo patches etc).
> > > The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl attack
> >
> > vectors
> >
> > > are going to be active services your machine offers.
> > >
> > > > I haven't installed antivirus my self.
> > >
> > > Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the Windows
> >
> > install
> >
> > > also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.
> > >
> > > > If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
> > > > configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's password
> > > > is as good as the root password - not good.
> > >
> > > How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to become
> >
> > root
> >
> > > with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have
> > > to remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached
> > > credentials meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require
> > > repeated authentication.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Roger Downing
> > > eScience systems administrator
> > > STFC
> > > Daresbury Laboratories
> > > Keckwick Lane
> > > Warrington
> > > WA4 4AD
> > >
> > > Tel: 01925 603937
> > > Mbl: 07880 736154
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chester mailing list
> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> >
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> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > M. T. Crilly
> > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
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> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> >
> >
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Thu May 22 14:15:36 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:15:36 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <200805221355.46374.dh@iucr.org>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
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Don't see the point in webmin JUST for configuring a firewall, when
Firestarter would be simpler to install (which he's already done) and
faster.

On 5/22/08, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
>
> On Thursday 22 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote:
> > http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html
>
> webmin has a nice interface to this.
>
> http://www.webmin.com/
>
> Dave.
>
>
> >
> > On 5/22/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Fairy nuff.  I realise that you might not have the time to go through
> > > IPtables at length (esp if at work, and I'm out in a bit.  Can you
> > > recommend a site that could guide a newbie like me through the
> minefield
> > > and so that I don't end up castrating my internet? ;P
> > >
> > >  ------------------------------
> > > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:56:41 +0100
> > > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > >
> > > iptables is a packet filter which was included with th 2.4.* kernel I
> > > believe. It's a part of the netfilter routines in the kernel(?)
> > >
> > > It's complex to manage from the console, but you learn a lot.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/22/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > oops.  my bad.  ok.  whats with these iptables then?
> > >
> > >  ------------------------------
> > > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:50:15 +0100
> > > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > >
> > > Firestarter is a front end, not the actual firewall. The firewall is
> > > 'iptables', Firestarter is just a GUI for configuring it. DO NOT HAVE
> > > FIRESTARTER RUNNING CONSTANTLY! :)
> > >
> > > On 5/22/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey, I'm willing to try just about anything (up to a point).  Until
> then,
> > > is there any way to get firestarter to load up automatically when I
> fire
> > > up Ubuntu?
> > >
> > >  ------------------------------
> > > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:46:45 +0100
> > > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > >
> > > No idea when it comes to AV on Linux (or even Windows); I'm just
> careful
> > > what I install/use. I'd suggest learning iptables's syntax as you'll
> > > learn a lot and get a better understanding about networking, such as
> > > packet states and NATing.
> > >
> > > On 5/21/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > Cheers for all these tips, guys.
> > >
> > > Have installed firestarter.  Will let you know how it goes...
> > >
> > > As for anti virus.  I use AVG with XP, and have it disabled unless
> needed
> > > for a scan.  I was hoping for the same for Linux.  Will Clamav do the
> > > job, or is there someting better out there?
> > >
> > > > From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> > > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > > > Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:22 +0100
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
> > > > > Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go. To
> > > > > make it easier install firestarter.
> > > >
> > > > Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably
> more
> > >
> > > simple
> > >
> > > > to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any
> > > > services
> > >
> > > such
> > >
> > > > as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would
> connect
> > >
> > > _to_ )
> > >
> > > > then a firewall is not useful.
> > > > Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows
> > >
> > > antivirus
> > >
> > > > tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for
> > > > infected
> > > >
> > > > files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses
> like
> > > > Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the
> > > > virus
> > > >
> > > > threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof of
> > >
> > > concept
> > >
> > > > viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their
> > > > hands coping with the many different systems out there. A windows
> > > > machine is a windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can
> infect
> > > > one you can
> > >
> > > infect
> > >
> > > > them all (modulo patches etc).
> > > > The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl
> attack
> > >
> > > vectors
> > >
> > > > are going to be active services your machine offers.
> > > >
> > > > > I haven't installed antivirus my self.
> > > >
> > > > Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the Windows
> > >
> > > install
> > >
> > > > also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.
> > > >
> > > > > If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
> > > > > configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's
> password
> > > > > is as good as the root password - not good.
> > > >
> > > > How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to
> become
> > >
> > > root
> > >
> > > > with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only have
> > > > to remember your login password plus have the benefit of cached
> > > > credentials meaning frequent use of admin programs does not require
> > > > repeated authentication.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Roger Downing
> > > > eScience systems administrator
> > > > STFC
> > > > Daresbury Laboratories
> > > > Keckwick Lane
> > > > Warrington
> > > > WA4 4AD
> > > >
> > > > Tel: 01925 603937
> > > > Mbl: 07880 736154
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Chester mailing list
> > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
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> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chester mailing list
> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > M. T. Crilly
> > > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
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> > >
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> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > M. T. Crilly
> > > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
> > > <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000005ukm/direct/01/>
> > >
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> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > M. T. Crilly
> > > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > Get fish-slapping on Messenger! Play
> > > Now<http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000008ukm/direct/01/>
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
>
> --
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From dh at iucr.org  Thu May 22 14:48:29 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:48:29 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Security
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805220715i40904c10v3903491e358e76b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W204492CE15F73C6BB1B1B4C5C70@phx.gbl>
	<200805221355.46374.dh@iucr.org>
	<f25cdb7e0805220715i40904c10v3903491e358e76b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805221549.07449.dh@iucr.org>

On Thursday 22 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote:
> Don't see the point in webmin JUST for configuring a firewall, when
> Firestarter would be simpler to install (which he's already done) and
> faster.

horses for courses, webmin linux firewall configuration has some nice features 
it also seems to write simpler iptables rule sets than firestarter and of 
course with webmin you get so much more..

dave.



>
> On 5/22/08, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
> > On Thursday 22 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote:
> > > http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html
> >
> > webmin has a nice interface to this.
> >
> > http://www.webmin.com/
> >
> > Dave.
> >
> > > On 5/22/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > > Fairy nuff.  I realise that you might not have the time to go through
> > > > IPtables at length (esp if at work, and I'm out in a bit.  Can you
> > > > recommend a site that could guide a newbie like me through the
> >
> > minefield
> >
> > > > and so that I don't end up castrating my internet? ;P
> > > >
> > > >  ------------------------------
> > > > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:56:41 +0100
> > > > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > > >
> > > > iptables is a packet filter which was included with th 2.4.* kernel I
> > > > believe. It's a part of the netfilter routines in the kernel(?)
> > > >
> > > > It's complex to manage from the console, but you learn a lot.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5/22/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > oops.  my bad.  ok.  whats with these iptables then?
> > > >
> > > >  ------------------------------
> > > > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:50:15 +0100
> > > > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > > >
> > > > Firestarter is a front end, not the actual firewall. The firewall is
> > > > 'iptables', Firestarter is just a GUI for configuring it. DO NOT HAVE
> > > > FIRESTARTER RUNNING CONSTANTLY! :)
> > > >
> > > > On 5/22/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey, I'm willing to try just about anything (up to a point).  Until
> >
> > then,
> >
> > > > is there any way to get firestarter to load up automatically when I
> >
> > fire
> >
> > > > up Ubuntu?
> > > >
> > > >  ------------------------------
> > > > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:46:45 +0100
> > > > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > > >
> > > > No idea when it comes to AV on Linux (or even Windows); I'm just
> >
> > careful
> >
> > > > what I install/use. I'd suggest learning iptables's syntax as you'll
> > > > learn a lot and get a better understanding about networking, such as
> > > > packet states and NATing.
> > > >
> > > > On 5/21/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Cheers for all these tips, guys.
> > > >
> > > > Have installed firestarter.  Will let you know how it goes...
> > > >
> > > > As for anti virus.  I use AVG with XP, and have it disabled unless
> >
> > needed
> >
> > > > for a scan.  I was hoping for the same for Linux.  Will Clamav do the
> > > > job, or is there someting better out there?
> > > >
> > > > > From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk
> > > > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Security
> > > > > Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:32:22 +0100
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wednesday 21 May 2008 18:56:49 Michael Crilly wrote:
> > > > > > Firewall - again, what distro? Ubuntu has iptables ready to go.
> > > > > > To make it easier install firestarter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Firestarter is good, or indeed Shorewall. Firestarter is probably
> >
> > more
> >
> > > > simple
> > > >
> > > > > to use though. Realistically though, if you are not running any
> > > > > services
> > > >
> > > > such
> > > >
> > > > > as web servers or things of that ilk (things that others would
> >
> > connect
> >
> > > > _to_ )
> > > >
> > > > > then a firewall is not useful.
> > > > > Clam AV is good, but does not operate in the same way as Windows
> > > >
> > > > antivirus
> > > >
> > > > > tools. It's meant to be used periodically, scanning a system for
> > > > > infected
> > > > >
> > > > > files. It (afaik, I may be wrong) does not intercept file accesses
> >
> > like
> >
> > > > > Norton AV and friends. Also, I know it's a bit blase of me, but the
> > > > > virus
> > > > >
> > > > > threat for linux machines is still really only theoretical. Proof
> > > > > of
> > > >
> > > > concept
> > > >
> > > > > viruses have been written but the writers have a hard job on their
> > > > > hands coping with the many different systems out there. A windows
> > > > > machine is a windows machine is a windows machine, so if you can
> >
> > infect
> >
> > > > > one you can
> > > >
> > > > infect
> > > >
> > > > > them all (modulo patches etc).
> > > > > The worrisome things are the rootkits but once again the typicl
> >
> > attack
> >
> > > > vectors
> > > >
> > > > > are going to be active services your machine offers.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I haven't installed antivirus my self.
> > > > >
> > > > > Me neither. I found a good use for it though was to scan the
> > > > > Windows
> > > >
> > > > install
> > > >
> > > > > also on the computer when that got knocked out by a virus.
> > > > >
> > > > > > If you are on ubuntu, then please! Reconfigure the default sudo
> > > > > > configuration file. It's poorly designed and a normal user's
> >
> > password
> >
> > > > > > is as good as the root password - not good.
> > > > >
> > > > > How would you change things? I'm with you in that it's better to
> >
> > become
> >
> > > > root
> > > >
> > > > > with the correct password, but for ease of use it's good to only
> > > > > have to remember your login password plus have the benefit of
> > > > > cached credentials meaning frequent use of admin programs does not
> > > > > require repeated authentication.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Roger Downing
> > > > > eScience systems administrator
> > > > > STFC
> > > > > Daresbury Laboratories
> > > > > Keckwick Lane
> > > > > Warrington
> > > > > WA4 4AD
> > > > >
> > > > > Tel: 01925 603937
> > > > > Mbl: 07880 736154
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Chester mailing list
> > > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > Get fish-slapping on Messenger! Play
> > > > Now<http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000008ukm/direct/01/>
> > > >
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> > > > Chester mailing list
> > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > M. T. Crilly
> > > > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
> > > > <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000005ukm/direct/01/>
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Chester mailing list
> > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > M. T. Crilly
> > > > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
> > > > <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000005ukm/direct/01/>
> > > >
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> > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > M. T. Crilly
> > > > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > > Get fish-slapping on Messenger! Play
> > > > Now<http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000008ukm/direct/01/>
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Chester mailing list
> > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> > --
> > Dr. David Holden.
> >
> > See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
> > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
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-- 
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Thu May 22 16:53:42 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 16:53:42 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Keep or throw
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805220953j59ae862bl17fdf46d9dd74c7a@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting issue and part of me says keep it, it works. Part of me says
throw it, its broken

I have a 6U Dual Xeon 2.8 server, 2 GB RAM, Dual Gig NICS and half a TB of
SCSI disk space.

Now one of the disks failed. I replaced it with a new one. However it is not
the disk that is failed. It is the backplane slot that has failed. Now if  I
put the disk in one of the spare slots, it works. It has two volumes, a
mirrored one of 73 GB that works fine, and the "broken" half TB one.

However in my mind its broken. For a core machine to have a physical failure
of this nature, it doesn't sit easy. It is also well out of warranty.

I have just been told to replace it. What would you chaps do ?
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Thu May 22 22:00:01 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 22:00:01 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Keep or throw
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805220953j59ae862bl17fdf46d9dd74c7a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805220953j59ae862bl17fdf46d9dd74c7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W3CB08A2F4A272BA8DD048C5C60@phx.gbl>


Can you replace the bit thats broke?  Even if it's the motherboard (me, not really having a clue about anything more impressive than replacing the RAM or adding a graphics card here!)  If you can't fix, you could at least salvage for scrap.  Those HDs and Ram will go down a treat in most new PCs, or you could ebay the useless bits and put the cash towards the replacement.

Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:53:40 +0100
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [Chester LUG] Keep or throw

Interesting issue and part of me says keep it, it works. Part of me says throw it, its broken

I have a 6U Dual Xeon 2.8 server, 2 GB RAM, Dual Gig NICS and half a TB of SCSI disk space.

Now one of the disks failed. I replaced it with a new one. However it is not the disk that is failed. It is the backplane slot that has failed. Now if  I put the disk in one of the spare slots, it works. It has two volumes, a mirrored one of 73 GB that works fine, and the "broken" half TB one.


However in my mind its broken. For a core machine to have a physical failure of this nature, it doesn't sit easy. It is also well out of warranty.

I have just been told to replace it. What would you chaps do ?


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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Thu May 22 22:13:08 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 22:13:08 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Keep or throw
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805220953j59ae862bl17fdf46d9dd74c7a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805220953j59ae862bl17fdf46d9dd74c7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0805221513t65c4a5bfk592d50eb382295e@mail.gmail.com>

I'd say it's time for a replacement.  These things have a habit of coming
back to haunt you later!

If it was a non-essential box or if you could have a hot backup it would be
worth giving it a go, but being a core system it's not a good idea. The cost
of getting a replacement shouldn't be much of a dent to your company!

Maybe relegate this box for testing updates / OS upgrades?

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Interesting issue and part of me says keep it, it works. Part of me says
> throw it, its broken
>
> I have a 6U Dual Xeon 2.8 server, 2 GB RAM, Dual Gig NICS and half a TB of
> SCSI disk space.
>
> Now one of the disks failed. I replaced it with a new one. However it is
> not the disk that is failed. It is the backplane slot that has failed. Now
> if  I put the disk in one of the spare slots, it works. It has two volumes,
> a mirrored one of 73 GB that works fine, and the "broken" half TB one.
>
> However in my mind its broken. For a core machine to have a physical
> failure of this nature, it doesn't sit easy. It is also well out of
> warranty.
>
> I have just been told to replace it. What would you chaps do ?
>
> _______________________________________________
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Fri May 23 12:28:17 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:28:17 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] pupeee
Message-ID: <BAY110-W14F8EA0560A1E5FABACBF7C5C10@phx.gbl>


Does anyone know how to turn a pupeee iso into a form that can be booted from an SDHC card or USB?

I just want to test it on my eeepc, but I'm out of discs!

Ta.

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 28 07:24:25 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:24:25 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>

Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?

-- 
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 28 07:25:19 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:25:19 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W20B1A62F1F40C8478BC0C5C5BC0@phx.gbl>


I think so.  I plan to be there!

Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting

Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
-- 
M. T. Crilly
http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ 

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 28 07:31:12 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:31:12 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W20B1A62F1F40C8478BC0C5C5BC0@phx.gbl>
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Same time, same place? 19:00 at the King's Head?

On 5/28/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I think so.  I plan to be there!
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
>
> Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
>
> --
> M. T. Crilly
> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>
>
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 28 07:38:58 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:38:58 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805280031g1479b662yed21aece5f45e847@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
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19.00 give or take parking!

Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:31:07 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting

Same time, same place? 19:00 at the King's Head?


On 5/28/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

I think so.  I plan to be there!




Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting

Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 28 07:45:14 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 07:45:14 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W35612807D5AA879B4F8311C5BC0@phx.gbl>
References: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
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I park at that council building, free after 17:00.

On 5/28/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> 19.00 give or take parking!
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:31:07 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting
>
> Same time, same place? 19:00 at the King's Head?
>
> On 5/28/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I think so.  I plan to be there!
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
>
> Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
>
> --
> M. T. Crilly
> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>
>
> ------------------------------
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 28 08:29:29 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:29:29 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805280045v2271d0d8g32f0f5f93e3b7911@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
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I went for that but it was full last time.

Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:45:09 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting

I park at that council building, free after 17:00.


On 5/28/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

19.00 give or take parking!




Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:31:07 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting 


Same time, same place? 19:00 at the King's Head?


On 5/28/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote: 

I think so.  I plan to be there!




Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting

Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Wed May 28 08:30:52 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:30:52 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W35612807D5AA879B4F8311C5BC0@phx.gbl>
References: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
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I'll be there also!

2008/5/28 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:

>  19.00 give or take parking!
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:31:07 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting
>
>
> Same time, same place? 19:00 at the King's Head?
>
> On 5/28/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I think so.  I plan to be there!
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
>
> Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
>
> --
> M. T. Crilly
> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>
>
> ------------------------------
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Wed May 28 08:47:32 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:47:32 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805280130t52b91d43obe52d20aa2351e0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <a801c01e0805280147w7193ff0cxfaa204b8da60b5ff@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Yes I was going to send out a reminder yesterday but ended up being strapped
to a board in casualty for many hours after a car crash!  I'm fine, no
damaged bone in the end so the rest should heal.

I should be there just after 7 hopefully, see you there.

Les

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'll be there also!
>
> 2008/5/28 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:
>
>  19.00 give or take parking!
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:31:07 +0100
>> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting
>>
>>
>> Same time, same place? 19:00 at the King's Head?
>>
>> On 5/28/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I think so.  I plan to be there!
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
>> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
>>
>> Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
>>
>> --
>> M. T. Crilly
>> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>>
>>
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 28 08:49:12 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:49:12 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0805280147w7193ff0cxfaa204b8da60b5ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
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Bloody Hell!!!

All that and you can still make the meet!  That's commitment!

Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:47:28 +0100
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting

Hi everyone,
 
Yes I was going to send out a reminder yesterday but ended up being strapped to a board in casualty for many hours after a car crash!  I'm fine, no damaged bone in the end so the rest should heal.
 
I should be there just after 7 hopefully, see you there.
 
Les


On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:

I'll be there also!


2008/5/28 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>: 





19.00 give or take parking!




Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:31:07 +0100 

From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting 




Same time, same place? 19:00 at the King's Head?


On 5/28/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote: 

I think so.  I plan to be there!




Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting

Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 28 11:14:17 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:14:17 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W32FC0BA50FF7A4503F876EC5BC0@phx.gbl>
References: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
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Hardcore to the max! You should be on a Yorkie advert - a real man! :P

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>  Bloody Hell!!!
>
> All that and you can still make the meet!  That's commitment!
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:47:28 +0100
> From: les.pritchard at gmail.com
>
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Yes I was going to send out a reminder yesterday but ended up being
> strapped to a board in casualty for many hours after a car crash!  I'm fine,
> no damaged bone in the end so the rest should heal.
>
> I should be there just after 7 hopefully, see you there.
>
> Les
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Stuart Burns <
> stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'll be there also!
>
> 2008/5/28 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:
>
>  19.00 give or take parking!
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:31:07 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting
>
>
> Same time, same place? 19:00 at the King's Head?
>
> On 5/28/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I think so.  I plan to be there!
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
>
> Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
>
> --
> M. T. Crilly
> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>
>
> ------------------------------
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From dh at iucr.org  Wed May 28 11:34:38 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:34:38 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
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Message-ID: <200805281235.26301.dh@iucr.org>

On Wednesday 28 May 2008, Les Pritchard wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Yes I was going to send out a reminder yesterday but ended up being
> strapped to a board in casualty for many hours after a car crash!  I'm
> fine, no damaged bone in the end so the rest should heal.
>
> I should be there just after 7 hopefully, see you there.
>
> Les


Call that an excuse ;)  Seriously hope you and yours are OK.

Dave.



>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Stuart Burns
> <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
> > I'll be there also!
> >
> > 2008/5/28 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:
> >
> >  19.00 give or take parking!
> >
> >>  ------------------------------
> >> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:31:07 +0100
> >> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting
> >>
> >>
> >> Same time, same place? 19:00 at the King's Head?
> >>
> >> On 5/28/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think so.  I plan to be there!
> >>
> >>  ------------------------------
> >> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
> >> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
> >>
> >> Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
> >>
> >> --
> >> M. T. Crilly
> >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your
> >> Mobile!<http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chester mailing list
> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> M. T. Crilly
> >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
> >> <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000005ukm/direct/01/>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chester mailing list
> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester



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See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Wed May 28 11:58:47 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:58:47 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <200805281235.26301.dh@iucr.org>
References: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8b7bbcc0805280130t52b91d43obe52d20aa2351e0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0805280147w7193ff0cxfaa204b8da60b5ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805281235.26301.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0805280458n32e9bcanc1a507fcbd35bdbf@mail.gmail.com>

Lol!  Yes I must not let the LUG down!

Thanks for all your concern, I'm on the mend.  They were worried about my
bones, but after many hours and lots visits to x-ray it turned out to be
just the muscles.  I'm pretty sore today but I can still move around, so I
figure an evening sat down chatting can't be too bad for me!

Thankfully it was just me in the car, so nobody else was injured.  The only
major casualty will be the other driver's no claims bonus. :-)

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday 28 May 2008, Les Pritchard wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Yes I was going to send out a reminder yesterday but ended up being
> > strapped to a board in casualty for many hours after a car crash!  I'm
> > fine, no damaged bone in the end so the rest should heal.
> >
> > I should be there just after 7 hopefully, see you there.
> >
> > Les
>
>
> Call that an excuse ;)  Seriously hope you and yours are OK.
>
> Dave.
>
>
>
> >
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Stuart Burns
> > <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > I'll be there also!
> > >
> > > 2008/5/28 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:
> > >
> > >  19.00 give or take parking!
> > >
> > >>  ------------------------------
> > >> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:31:07 +0100
> > >> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Same time, same place? 19:00 at the King's Head?
> > >>
> > >> On 5/28/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think so.  I plan to be there!
> > >>
> > >>  ------------------------------
> > >> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
> > >> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > >> Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
> > >>
> > >> Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> M. T. Crilly
> > >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >> Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your
> > >> Mobile!<http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Chester mailing list
> > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> M. T. Crilly
> > >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------
> > >> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
> > >> <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000005ukm/direct/01/>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Chester mailing list
> > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chester mailing list
> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. David Holden.
>
> See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
> regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
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From simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk  Tue May 27 13:14:08 2008
From: simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk (Simon Willett)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 13:14:08 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux XBox Server stolen
Message-ID: <000601c8bffb$9634fa50$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>

http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/50428/the-website-is-down-because-
someone-removed-the-x-box.html

 

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From jim.snyder at linuxmail.org  Wed May 28 10:39:06 2008
From: jim.snyder at linuxmail.org (jim snyder)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:39:06 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Redhat certification/self paced learning.
Message-ID: <20080528103859.10495233D2@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Stu,
Compulsory Basic Training CBT Nuggets CD for RHCE, & Linux+ are quite good self-paced courses, and you could find the full DVD version of both Red Hat Cert levels on E-bay..... Good luck.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stuart Burns" <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
> To: chester <chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Redhat certification/self paced learning.
> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:29:06 +0000
> 
> 
> Hi Everyone.
> 
> Just wondering if anyone knows of any company in the northwest that does
> Redhat training with a view to getting certified. I have spend a little time
> looking, and cannot really find any that are affordable!
> 
> The other way I was thinking of doing it was self paced learning, ie get the
> books, similar to what you can do with Cisco etc. There are plenty of books
> on redhat, just not any on redhat + certification.
> 
> Can anyone help here?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Stu
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

>



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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 28 12:05:18 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:05:18 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Redhat certification/self paced learning.
In-Reply-To: <20080528103859.10495233D2@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20080528103859.10495233D2@ws5-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805280505k3797b544i265a91201868176a@mail.gmail.com>

The Linux+ cert. is CompTIA, so you know where to look (at CompTIA's
website) and something I'm also interested in, along with Security+ and the
Network+ cert. Pretty much every + cert then really.

On 5/28/08, jim snyder <jim.snyder at linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> Stu,
> Compulsory Basic Training CBT Nuggets CD for RHCE, & Linux+ are quite good
> self-paced courses, and you could find the full DVD version of both Red Hat
> Cert levels on E-bay..... Good luck.
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stuart Burns" <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
> > To: chester <chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> > Subject: [Chester LUG] Redhat certification/self paced learning.
> > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:29:06 +0000
> >
> >
> > Hi Everyone.
> >
> > Just wondering if anyone knows of any company in the northwest that does
> > Redhat training with a view to getting certified. I have spend a little
> time
> > looking, and cannot really find any that are affordable!
> >
> > The other way I was thinking of doing it was self paced learning, ie get
> the
> > books, similar to what you can do with Cisco etc. There are plenty of
> books
> > on redhat, just not any on redhat + certification.
> >
> > Can anyone help here?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
> >
>
>
>
> jim.snyder at linuxmail.org
>
>
> =
> vacation rental
> Ski Trip? Book your Park City Utah Condo Today! 1 to 4 Bedroom Units.
>
> http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=71ee51736c7afe8bbd96b7e45175e538
>
>
>
> --
> Powered by Outblaze
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 28 12:11:54 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:11:54 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux XBox Server stolen
In-Reply-To: <000601c8bffb$9634fa50$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
References: <000601c8bffb$9634fa50$197ba8c0@Eurowrap.local>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805280511q14271b95i986220fe9089de2b@mail.gmail.com>

Brilliant. I used to know a bloke who took his X-Box and modded it and
basically turned it into a media PC for his TV. Good idea I thought. In
fact, it's a cheap Media Centre considering the cost of a second-hand X-Box
now-a-days.

On 5/27/08, Simon Willett <simonw at gbitsystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/50428/the-website-is-down-because-someone-removed-the-x-box.html
>
>
>
> Remember that the fridge is actually an old IBM mainframe.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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From joe.foy at gmail.com  Wed May 28 12:46:15 2008
From: joe.foy at gmail.com (Joe Foy)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:46:15 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Re: meeting
Message-ID: <b58abd130805280546j34297aao7bb2963651145f1a@mail.gmail.com>

I hope to be there tomorrow, but might be a little late. Have not been
before so any ideas how I will be able to spot it is you?



From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com  Wed May 28 12:48:46 2008
From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:48:46 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Re: meeting
In-Reply-To: <b58abd130805280546j34297aao7bb2963651145f1a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b58abd130805280546j34297aao7bb2963651145f1a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8c51aca0805280548i5e639c0fs9e60331c713aaf47@mail.gmail.com>

Believe me, you'll spot all of us. We're the bunch in the corner of
the bar room talking about computers and drinking.

2008/5/28 Joe Foy <joe.foy at gmail.com>:
> I hope to be there tomorrow, but might be a little late. Have not been
> before so any ideas how I will be able to spot it is you?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>



From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 28 13:07:20 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:07:20 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Re: meeting
In-Reply-To: <e8c51aca0805280548i5e639c0fs9e60331c713aaf47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b58abd130805280546j34297aao7bb2963651145f1a@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8c51aca0805280548i5e639c0fs9e60331c713aaf47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W336AD8D9C83129BE762673C5BC0@phx.gbl>


And Les will be the one with the cuts bruises and bandages!

> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:48:43 +0100
> From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Re: meeting
> 
> Believe me, you'll spot all of us. We're the bunch in the corner of
> the bar room talking about computers and drinking.
> 
> 2008/5/28 Joe Foy <joe.foy at gmail.com>:
> > I hope to be there tomorrow, but might be a little late. Have not been
> > before so any ideas how I will be able to spot it is you?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Wed May 28 13:12:37 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:12:37 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0805280458n32e9bcanc1a507fcbd35bdbf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8b7bbcc0805280130t52b91d43obe52d20aa2351e0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0805280147w7193ff0cxfaa204b8da60b5ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805281235.26301.dh@iucr.org>
	<a801c01e0805280458n32e9bcanc1a507fcbd35bdbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805280612g7f3df4a3r64fccd9fb9cbb623@mail.gmail.com>

If it wasn't so serious we could start the old "must have been a Microsoft
car" ;)

2008/5/28 Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com>:

> Lol!  Yes I must not let the LUG down!
>
> Thanks for all your concern, I'm on the mend.  They were worried about my
> bones, but after many hours and lots visits to x-ray it turned out to be
> just the muscles.  I'm pretty sore today but I can still move around, so I
> figure an evening sat down chatting can't be too bad for me!
>
> Thankfully it was just me in the car, so nobody else was injured.  The only
> major casualty will be the other driver's no claims bonus. :-)
>
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday 28 May 2008, Les Pritchard wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > Yes I was going to send out a reminder yesterday but ended up being
>> > strapped to a board in casualty for many hours after a car crash!  I'm
>> > fine, no damaged bone in the end so the rest should heal.
>> >
>> > I should be there just after 7 hopefully, see you there.
>> >
>> > Les
>>
>>
>> Call that an excuse ;)  Seriously hope you and yours are OK.
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Stuart Burns
>> > <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> > > I'll be there also!
>> > >
>> > > 2008/5/28 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:
>> > >
>> > >  19.00 give or take parking!
>> > >
>> > >>  ------------------------------
>> > >> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:31:07 +0100
>> > >> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
>> > >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Same time, same place? 19:00 at the King's Head?
>> > >>
>> > >> On 5/28/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I think so.  I plan to be there!
>> > >>
>> > >>  ------------------------------
>> > >> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
>> > >> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
>> > >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >> Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
>> > >>
>> > >> Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> M. T. Crilly
>> > >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ------------------------------
>> > >> Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your
>> > >> Mobile!<http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/
>> >
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Chester mailing list
>> > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> M. T. Crilly
>> > >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> ------------------------------
>> > >> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
>> > >> <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000005ukm/direct/01/>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> Chester mailing list
>> > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Chester mailing list
>> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dr. David Holden.
>>
>> See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
>> regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
>
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Wed May 28 13:13:38 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:13:38 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Re: meeting
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W336AD8D9C83129BE762673C5BC0@phx.gbl>
References: <b58abd130805280546j34297aao7bb2963651145f1a@mail.gmail.com>
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He he!  Sadly I have no heroic visible injuries at all so I can strut around
looking manly :-)

We normally sit on the sofas to the left of the bar, so if you hang around
there you'll probably hear some techie talk going on!

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>  And Les will be the one with the cuts bruises and bandages!
>
> > Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:48:43 +0100
> > From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Re: meeting
>
> >
> > Believe me, you'll spot all of us. We're the bunch in the corner of
> > the bar room talking about computers and drinking.
> >
> > 2008/5/28 Joe Foy <joe.foy at gmail.com>:
> > > I hope to be there tomorrow, but might be a little late. Have not been
> > > before so any ideas how I will be able to spot it is you?
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Chester mailing list
> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
> ------------------------------
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 28 14:07:56 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 14:07:56 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Re: meeting
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0805280613s304c3b11u30d23567ecc733d0@mail.gmail.com>
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Look for my ginger wig and Mario t-shirt :)

On 5/28/08, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> He he!  Sadly I have no heroic visible injuries at all so I can strut
> around looking manly :-)
>
> We normally sit on the sofas to the left of the bar, so if you hang around
> there you'll probably hear some techie talk going on!
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> And Les will be the one with the cuts bruises and bandages!
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 13:48:43 +0100
>> > From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com
>> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Re: meeting
>> >
>> > Believe me, you'll spot all of us. We're the bunch in the corner of
>> > the bar room talking about computers and drinking.
>> >
>> > 2008/5/28 Joe Foy <joe.foy at gmail.com>:
>> > > I hope to be there tomorrow, but might be a little late. Have not been
>> > > before so any ideas how I will be able to spot it is you?
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > Chester mailing list
>> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>> > >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chester mailing list
>> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>


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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Wed May 28 16:05:33 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:05:33 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] mutt configuration
Message-ID: <20080528160512.GA8798@movedx.uk>

(I think my last e-mail bounced)

can anyone suggest some settings for mutt for making it easier to manage e-mails 
coming in from the LUG? I have the basics under my belt, checking mail and 
configuring the muttrc file, but perhaps you have something that automates the 
process and makes it a bit easier to cope with?

- cheers



From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 28 16:46:59 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:46:59 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Spairs for repairs
Message-ID: <BAY110-W3242636DDE4B070A1ECCCEC5BC0@phx.gbl>


Having a clear out of all my old cables and electronics bits that are clogging up a couple of drawers in the spare room.  Wondered if anyone wanted some / all of them.  Not for sale!  For free!

Included in the box are the following and more:

Several kettle leads, power leads, scart cables, Playstation 2 leads, aerial cables, a webcam, cable modems and a load of other stuff.

If you want it, you can have it / split it etc.  You'll have to get it from the back of my car tomorrow night.

If no-one shows an interrest, it'll be off to the tip.

See you tommorrow

Paul

PS.  Has anyone got any laptop RAM that they won't miss?  Trying to revitalise an old Sony Vaio FX 702.  The RAM inside currently is a single 256MB stick of DDR 133.  There are 2 slots, one currently empty.  Pretty skint, so unless you'll accept a pint in exchange, don't offer any RAM for sale.  Ta!

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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Wed May 28 18:15:48 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:15:48 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Spairs for repairs
Message-ID: <BAY110-W527DEC7611F70F99B38BC3C5BC0@phx.gbl>


Guess my RAM request may have been premature.  It won't recharge the battery (AC only now) and I can't get the laptop to load anything.  The CD drive is tempramental and it won't boot from USB, External CD drives.  Can't even get the restart discs (XP home) to go on.

Guess it's FUBAR.

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From movedx at googlemail.com  Wed May 28 16:00:22 2008
From: movedx at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 16:00:22 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] mutt
Message-ID: <20080528160015.GA8780@movedx.uk>

ANyone here using 'mutt' to check their e-mail (I remember someone showing us a ss 
of them using it?) - I'd like some advise on a setup. I've got the basics going, 
i.e. I'm using it to compose this message and check my gmail imap account but I 
mean for like managing emails from the lug etc and perhaps some automated settings 
you'd suggest?

cheers

-mike



From fgaughan at gmail.com  Wed May 28 22:02:01 2008
From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:02:01 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
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Too bad I was in Chester for bank holiday weekend ,
one day i will attend a meet.....


Fintan



* Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> [2008-05-28 14:12:32 +0100]:

> If it wasn't so serious we could start the old "must have been a Microsoft
> car" ;)
> 
> 2008/5/28 Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com>:
> 
> > Lol!  Yes I must not let the LUG down!
> >
> > Thanks for all your concern, I'm on the mend.  They were worried about my
> > bones, but after many hours and lots visits to x-ray it turned out to be
> > just the muscles.  I'm pretty sore today but I can still move around, so I
> > figure an evening sat down chatting can't be too bad for me!
> >
> > Thankfully it was just me in the car, so nobody else was injured.  The only
> > major casualty will be the other driver's no claims bonus. :-)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:35 PM, David Holden <dh at iucr.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday 28 May 2008, Les Pritchard wrote:
> >> > Hi everyone,
> >> >
> >> > Yes I was going to send out a reminder yesterday but ended up being
> >> > strapped to a board in casualty for many hours after a car crash!  I'm
> >> > fine, no damaged bone in the end so the rest should heal.
> >> >
> >> > I should be there just after 7 hopefully, see you there.
> >> >
> >> > Les
> >>
> >>
> >> Call that an excuse ;)  Seriously hope you and yours are OK.
> >>
> >> Dave.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Stuart Burns
> >> > <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > I'll be there also!
> >> > >
> >> > > 2008/5/28 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:
> >> > >
> >> > >  19.00 give or take parking!
> >> > >
> >> > >>  ------------------------------
> >> > >> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:31:07 +0100
> >> > >> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> >> > >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> > >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meeting
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Same time, same place? 19:00 at the King's Head?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On 5/28/08, *Paul Williams* <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I think so.  I plan to be there!
> >> > >>
> >> > >>  ------------------------------
> >> > >> Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 08:24:00 +0100
> >> > >> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> >> > >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> > >> Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Are we planning to meet up tomorrow?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> M. T. Crilly
> >> > >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> ------------------------------
> >> > >> Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your
> >> > >> Mobile!<http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000001ukm/direct/01/
> >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >> _______________________________________________
> >> > >> Chester mailing list
> >> > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> M. T. Crilly
> >> > >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> ------------------------------
> >> > >> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
> >> > >> <http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000005ukm/direct/01/>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> _______________________________________________
> >> > >> Chester mailing list
> >> > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Chester mailing list
> >> > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dr. David Holden.
> >>
> >> See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
> >> regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >

> _______________________________________________
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> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester


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From fgaughan at gmail.com  Wed May 28 22:17:27 2008
From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:17:27 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] mutt configuration
In-Reply-To: <20080528160512.GA8798@movedx.uk>
References: <20080528160512.GA8798@movedx.uk>
Message-ID: <20080528221715.GB7312@fintan-desktop>

Hi Michael,

I am a mutt user so tell me how was yours set up?
First of all are you using Imap or pop?

If your using Pop the procmail is the way to go and its years
since i use pop.
As you can see I am using gmail Imap with Mutt and before gmail
allowed imap connection I had already filtered Chester lug Mutt
followed that sorting (if you see what i mean?)

I posted earlier on of show your desktop thread where I am reading
chester lug with mutt :-)

Fintan



* Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk> [2008-05-28 17:05:25 +0100]:

> (I think my last e-mail bounced)
> 
> can anyone suggest some settings for mutt for making it easier to manage e-mails 
> coming in from the LUG? I have the basics under my belt, checking mail and 
> configuring the muttrc file, but perhaps you have something that automates the 
> process and makes it a bit easier to cope with?
> 
> - cheers
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

-- 


Blog
http://gaughan.co.uk/



From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Wed May 28 22:22:55 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:22:55 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Creating a system backup onto tape.
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805281522y480cf95xdaf07d8570c7e5d0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I'm hoping someone can help here. I've setup a new linux box (Opensuse 10.3)
and it has an AIT 3 tape drive attached to it. Now backing up home is easy
enough, but how does one create a backup of the actual system so in a disk
failure it can be restored?

Anyone know?

Stu
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From fgaughan at gmail.com  Wed May 28 22:24:21 2008
From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:24:21 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] mutt
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References: <20080528160015.GA8780@movedx.uk>
Message-ID: <20080528222411.GC7312@fintan-desktop>


That will be me :-)




* Michael Crilly <movedx at googlemail.com> [2008-05-28 17:00:15 +0100]:

> ANyone here using 'mutt' to check their e-mail (I remember someone showing us a ss 
> of them using it?) - I'd like some advise on a setup. I've got the basics going, 
> i.e. I'm using it to compose this message and check my gmail imap account but I 
> mean for like managing emails from the lug etc and perhaps some automated settings 
> you'd suggest?
> 
> cheers
> 
> -mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

-- 


Blog
http://gaughan.co.uk/



From iamseawolf at gmail.com  Thu May 29 00:45:56 2008
From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (Ben Arnold)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:45:56 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
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Hi all - think it's about time i showed my face :)

I'm a student at the uni here, been lurking on the list for a couple
of months but haven't had much to say on the topics so far! If there's
room for one more, I'd just like to say hi tomorrow night and meet you
lot. I think the next meet is just after I head back to Somerset for
the summer but hope to be around more during my 2nd year.

 > I should be there just after 7 hopefully, see you there.
> Les

Great. I remember someone's mobile number (ending in 838) being told a
while ago, would you mind if I ring should I not see you guys? Mines
07...386204.

On 28/05/2008, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes I was going to send out a reminder yesterday but ended up being strapped
> to a board in casualty for many hours after a car crash!  I'm fine, no
> damaged bone in the end so the rest should heal.

Glad you're not too injured, get well soon!

Ben :)
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|    e-mail / msn / icq / web     |
| ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com |
| iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com |



From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Thu May 29 07:09:19 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:09:19 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Creating a system backup onto tape.
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805281522y480cf95xdaf07d8570c7e5d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805281522y480cf95xdaf07d8570c7e5d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805290009gfe753f9m6be98db120069e34@mail.gmail.com>

You can try creating an ISO image of the disk?

dd if=/dev/drive of=output.iso

and then backing that up onto the tape.


On 5/28/08, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm hoping someone can help here. I've setup a new linux box (Opensuse
> 10.3) and it has an AIT 3 tape drive attached to it. Now backing up home is
> easy enough, but how does one create a backup of the actual system so in a
> disk failure it can be restored?
>
> Anyone know?
>
> Stu
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>


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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Thu May 29 07:10:21 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:10:21 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
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You're welcome to come Ben, not a problem!

See you there.


On 5/29/08, Ben Arnold <iamseawolf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all - think it's about time i showed my face :)
>
> I'm a student at the uni here, been lurking on the list for a couple
> of months but haven't had much to say on the topics so far! If there's
> room for one more, I'd just like to say hi tomorrow night and meet you
> lot. I think the next meet is just after I head back to Somerset for
> the summer but hope to be around more during my 2nd year.
>
> > I should be there just after 7 hopefully, see you there.
> > Les
>
> Great. I remember someone's mobile number (ending in 838) being told a
> while ago, would you mind if I ring should I not see you guys? Mines
> 07...386204.
>
> On 28/05/2008, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes I was going to send out a reminder yesterday but ended up being
> strapped
> > to a board in casualty for many hours after a car crash!  I'm fine, no
> > damaged bone in the end so the rest should heal.
>
> Glad you're not too injured, get well soon!
>
> Ben :)
> --
> |           Ben  Arnold           |
> |    e-mail / msn / icq / web     |
> | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com |
> | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com |
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>



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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Thu May 29 07:10:27 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:10:27 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] More spares n stuff
Message-ID: <BAY110-W10754AC30E0DAE36C067AAC5BF0@phx.gbl>


Ok, more to add to the bargain bin:

The aforementioned Sony Vaio FX702 (now the CD/DVD drive won't close - call it a fixer-upper), a cheepo dvd player (works fine, but no zapper), what looks like everything you need to hook up cable, 2 scanners, and probably more.

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Thu May 29 07:12:02 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:12:02 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] mutt configuration
In-Reply-To: <20080528221715.GB7312@fintan-desktop>
References: <20080528160512.GA8798@movedx.uk>
	<20080528221715.GB7312@fintan-desktop>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805290011l17b6157ch2ec4795414dff246@mail.gmail.com>

Hiya,

I use GMail IMAP me mate. It works fine at present, I just configured the
muttrc file to connect to the GMail IMAP server and login... nothing else is
done, except filtering out the header details to only show From, CC, and
Subject.

How are you filtering the LUG? And what are you filtering it to?


On 5/28/08, Fintan Gaughan <fgaughan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> I am a mutt user so tell me how was yours set up?
> First of all are you using Imap or pop?
>
> If your using Pop the procmail is the way to go and its years
> since i use pop.
> As you can see I am using gmail Imap with Mutt and before gmail
> allowed imap connection I had already filtered Chester lug Mutt
> followed that sorting (if you see what i mean?)
>
> I posted earlier on of show your desktop thread where I am reading
> chester lug with mutt :-)
>
> Fintan
>
>
>
> * Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk> [2008-05-28 17:05:25 +0100]:
>
> > (I think my last e-mail bounced)
> >
> > can anyone suggest some settings for mutt for making it easier to manage
> e-mails
> > coming in from the LUG? I have the basics under my belt, checking mail
> and
> > configuring the muttrc file, but perhaps you have something that
> automates the
> > process and makes it a bit easier to cope with?
> >
> > - cheers
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
> --
>
>
> Blog
> http://gaughan.co.uk/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
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From fgaughan at gmail.com  Thu May 29 07:44:38 2008
From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:44:38 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] mutt configuration
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805290011l17b6157ch2ec4795414dff246@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080528160512.GA8798@movedx.uk>
	<20080528221715.GB7312@fintan-desktop>
	<f25cdb7e0805290011l17b6157ch2ec4795414dff246@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b346f5340805290044m1d676634o93123e51ea16f738@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,

I am at work right now and doing this from memory.
Gmail filters the mail into boxes, they call them labels.
If you have already done this then next thing is to configure mutt to
thread the mail.
also give it some colours .

What i will do tonight (after i finished fixing yet another windows pc
don't know why I bother) is to post
my muttrc file.
>From there you can add or remove settings but I am sure you will be
happy with how i set mine up :-)


Fintan



2008/5/29 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:
> Hiya,
>
> I use GMail IMAP me mate. It works fine at present, I just configured the
> muttrc file to connect to the GMail IMAP server and login... nothing else is
> done, except filtering out the header details to only show From, CC, and
> Subject.
>
> How are you filtering the LUG? And what are you filtering it to?
>
>
> On 5/28/08, Fintan Gaughan <fgaughan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I am a mutt user so tell me how was yours set up?
>> First of all are you using Imap or pop?
>>
>> If your using Pop the procmail is the way to go and its years
>> since i use pop.
>> As you can see I am using gmail Imap with Mutt and before gmail
>> allowed imap connection I had already filtered Chester lug Mutt
>> followed that sorting (if you see what i mean?)
>>
>> I posted earlier on of show your desktop thread where I am reading
>> chester lug with mutt :-)
>>
>> Fintan
>>
>>
>>
>> * Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk> [2008-05-28 17:05:25 +0100]:
>>
>> > (I think my last e-mail bounced)
>> >
>> > can anyone suggest some settings for mutt for making it easier to manage
>> > e-mails
>> > coming in from the LUG? I have the basics under my belt, checking mail
>> > and
>> > configuring the muttrc file, but perhaps you have something that
>> > automates the
>> > process and makes it a bit easier to cope with?
>> >
>> > - cheers
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Chester mailing list
>> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Blog
>> http://gaughan.co.uk/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
>
> --
> M. T. Crilly
> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>



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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Thu May 29 07:47:40 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 07:47:40 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] mutt configuration
In-Reply-To: <b346f5340805290044m1d676634o93123e51ea16f738@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080528160512.GA8798@movedx.uk>
	<20080528221715.GB7312@fintan-desktop>
	<f25cdb7e0805290011l17b6157ch2ec4795414dff246@mail.gmail.com>
	<b346f5340805290044m1d676634o93123e51ea16f738@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805290047x4ebcddber685a234e2ee8c2d2@mail.gmail.com>

Cheers Fintan.

On 5/29/08, Fintan Gaughan <fgaughan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> I am at work right now and doing this from memory.
> Gmail filters the mail into boxes, they call them labels.
> If you have already done this then next thing is to configure mutt to
> thread the mail.
> also give it some colours .
>
> What i will do tonight (after i finished fixing yet another windows pc
> don't know why I bother) is to post
> my muttrc file.
> >From there you can add or remove settings but I am sure you will be
> happy with how i set mine up :-)
>
>
> Fintan
>
>
>
> 2008/5/29 Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk>:
> > Hiya,
> >
> > I use GMail IMAP me mate. It works fine at present, I just configured the
> > muttrc file to connect to the GMail IMAP server and login... nothing else
> is
> > done, except filtering out the header details to only show From, CC, and
> > Subject.
> >
> > How are you filtering the LUG? And what are you filtering it to?
> >
> >
> > On 5/28/08, Fintan Gaughan <fgaughan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Michael,
> >>
> >> I am a mutt user so tell me how was yours set up?
> >> First of all are you using Imap or pop?
> >>
> >> If your using Pop the procmail is the way to go and its years
> >> since i use pop.
> >> As you can see I am using gmail Imap with Mutt and before gmail
> >> allowed imap connection I had already filtered Chester lug Mutt
> >> followed that sorting (if you see what i mean?)
> >>
> >> I posted earlier on of show your desktop thread where I am reading
> >> chester lug with mutt :-)
> >>
> >> Fintan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> * Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk> [2008-05-28 17:05:25 +0100]:
> >>
> >> > (I think my last e-mail bounced)
> >> >
> >> > can anyone suggest some settings for mutt for making it easier to
> manage
> >> > e-mails
> >> > coming in from the LUG? I have the basics under my belt, checking mail
> >> > and
> >> > configuring the muttrc file, but perhaps you have something that
> >> > automates the
> >> > process and makes it a bit easier to cope with?
> >> >
> >> > - cheers
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Chester mailing list
> >> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Blog
> >> http://gaughan.co.uk/
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chester mailing list
> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > M. T. Crilly
> > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> My Blog http://www.finllfixit.co.uk/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>



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From r.downing at dl.ac.uk  Thu May 29 08:34:29 2008
From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk (Roger Downing)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:34:29 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Creating a system backup onto tape.
In-Reply-To: <b8b7bbcc0805281522y480cf95xdaf07d8570c7e5d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805281522y480cf95xdaf07d8570c7e5d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805290934.27005.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>

On Wednesday 28 May 2008 23:22:52 Stuart Burns wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm hoping someone can help here. I've setup a new linux box (Opensuse
> 10.3) and it has an AIT 3 tape drive attached to it. Now backing up home is
> easy enough, but how does one create a backup of the actual system so in a
> disk failure it can be restored?
>
> Anyone know?
>
> Stu

Hmm I would look into using dump and restore. The problem would be that they 
only operate on ext2/3 file systems so if you don't use one of them you are 
out of luck on that front. I use them very widely at work to back up about 60 
servers to tape and have found them excellent, especially with the fact that 
they have built-in abilities to perform incremental and differential backups. 
You can also apply bzip2 compression on the fly to the backups which can 
increase speed / decrease required capacity very significantly (think 8:1 in 
some cases).

I have heard reports that one ought not to run dump on a r/w mounted file 
system but I've had no trouble at all in 4 years of doing it so would 
heartily recommend.

Cheers,
-- 
Roger Downing
eScience systems administrator
STFC
Daresbury Laboratories
Keckwick Lane
Warrington
WA4 4AD

Tel: 01925 603937
Mbl: 07880 736154



From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Thu May 29 09:14:21 2008
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:14:21 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Creating a system backup onto tape.
In-Reply-To: <200805290934.27005.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
References: <b8b7bbcc0805281522y480cf95xdaf07d8570c7e5d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805290934.27005.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <b8b7bbcc0805290214g2d9dbc91o16a53e26fa88f3fe@mail.gmail.com>

It's an ext3 filesystem.

I did look at the dump command and shall give it a bash. Thing is, when you
start adding and configuring files, it can (and does in my case) amount to
days. If the entire thing went AWOL, to manually restore would take weeks.
Not something you really think about that much. i think for the initial dump
i shall dump in single user mode and then if i do it at runlevel 3 and it
doesnt work, i have a backup.

Thanks everyone!

Stu

2008/5/29 Roger Downing <r.downing at dl.ac.uk>:

> On Wednesday 28 May 2008 23:22:52 Stuart Burns wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm hoping someone can help here. I've setup a new linux box (Opensuse
> > 10.3) and it has an AIT 3 tape drive attached to it. Now backing up home
> is
> > easy enough, but how does one create a backup of the actual system so in
> a
> > disk failure it can be restored?
> >
> > Anyone know?
> >
> > Stu
>
> Hmm I would look into using dump and restore. The problem would be that
> they
> only operate on ext2/3 file systems so if you don't use one of them you are
> out of luck on that front. I use them very widely at work to back up about
> 60
> servers to tape and have found them excellent, especially with the fact
> that
> they have built-in abilities to perform incremental and differential
> backups.
> You can also apply bzip2 compression on the fly to the backups which can
> increase speed / decrease required capacity very significantly (think 8:1
> in
> some cases).
>
> I have heard reports that one ought not to run dump on a r/w mounted file
> system but I've had no trouble at all in 4 years of doing it so would
> heartily recommend.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Roger Downing
> eScience systems administrator
> STFC
> Daresbury Laboratories
> Keckwick Lane
> Warrington
> WA4 4AD
>
> Tel: 01925 603937
> Mbl: 07880 736154
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
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From iamseawolf at gmail.com  Thu May 29 15:43:23 2008
From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (Ben Arnold)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:43:23 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805290010y4db72c9at59cc62256dfd0e37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W20B1A62F1F40C8478BC0C5C5BC0@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805280031g1479b662yed21aece5f45e847@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W35612807D5AA879B4F8311C5BC0@phx.gbl>
	<b8b7bbcc0805280130t52b91d43obe52d20aa2351e0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0805280147w7193ff0cxfaa204b8da60b5ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c3bfa1d0805281745g58d6824bsb13a24ac84c627d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25cdb7e0805290010y4db72c9at59cc62256dfd0e37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0805290843j7f0380bp451eabfff20e732a@mail.gmail.com>

On 29/05/2008, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk> wrote:
> You're welcome to come Ben, not a problem!
>
> See you there.

Thanks, you'll see the sausage rolls.

:)

-- 
|             seawolf             |
|           Ben  Arnold           |
|    e-mail / msn / icq / web     |
| ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com |
| iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com |



From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Thu May 29 16:06:29 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:06:29 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Meeting
In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0805290843j7f0380bp451eabfff20e732a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f25cdb7e0805280024s483bff38s3cbd3dfae314316a@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W20B1A62F1F40C8478BC0C5C5BC0@phx.gbl>
	<f25cdb7e0805280031g1479b662yed21aece5f45e847@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W35612807D5AA879B4F8311C5BC0@phx.gbl>
	<b8b7bbcc0805280130t52b91d43obe52d20aa2351e0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<a801c01e0805280147w7193ff0cxfaa204b8da60b5ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c3bfa1d0805281745g58d6824bsb13a24ac84c627d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25cdb7e0805290010y4db72c9at59cc62256dfd0e37@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c3bfa1d0805290843j7f0380bp451eabfff20e732a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805290906y3188dc7p55e4a0e40e93d9fb@mail.gmail.com>

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? :-o

On 5/29/08, Ben Arnold <iamseawolf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 29/05/2008, Michael Crilly <e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk> wrote:
> > You're welcome to come Ben, not a problem!
> >
> > See you there.
>
>
> Thanks, you'll see the sausage rolls.
>
> :)
>
>
> --
> |             seawolf             |
>
> |           Ben  Arnold           |
> |    e-mail / msn / icq / web     |
> | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com |
> | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com |
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Thu May 29 21:36:49 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:36:49 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] shortcut to movies
Message-ID: <BAY110-W123B60D5BF16C0E03ED689C5BF0@phx.gbl>


ok.  did what was suggested.  results:

root@********-desktop:~# cd Desktop
root@********-desktop:~/Desktop# ln -s /media/disk/Documents and Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies movies
ln: target `movies' is not a directory
root@********-desktop:~/Desktop# ln -s /media/disk/Documents and Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies
ln: target `Documents/Movies' is not a directory
root@********-desktop:~/Desktop# 

Any idea what I did wrong?

I copied the path directly from the file browser.


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From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com  Thu May 29 21:53:58 2008
From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:53:58 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] shortcut to movies
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W123B60D5BF16C0E03ED689C5BF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W123B60D5BF16C0E03ED689C5BF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e8c51aca0805291453g6b9f85f5xf2cb16d1e9cff98@mail.gmail.com>

Try putting the long path inside quote marks:

ln -s "/media/disk/Documents and Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies" movies

I should have asked you about that...

B

2008/5/29 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:
> ok.  did what was suggested.  results:
>
> root@********-desktop:~# cd Desktop
> root@********-desktop:~/Desktop# ln -s /media/disk/Documents and
> Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies movies
> ln: target `movies' is not a directory
> root@********-desktop:~/Desktop# ln -s /media/disk/Documents and
> Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies
> ln: target `Documents/Movies' is not a directory
> root@********-desktop:~/Desktop#
>
> Any idea what I did wrong?
>
> I copied the path directly from the file browser.
>
>
> ________________________________
> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
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>
>



From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com  Thu May 29 21:55:46 2008
From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:55:46 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] shortcut to movies
In-Reply-To: <e8c51aca0805291453g6b9f85f5xf2cb16d1e9cff98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W123B60D5BF16C0E03ED689C5BF0@phx.gbl>
	<e8c51aca0805291453g6b9f85f5xf2cb16d1e9cff98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8c51aca0805291455r12341046m210b6d63356cc175@mail.gmail.com>

The other thing... try as yourself, rather than as root... I don't
know if you'd be allowed to use the symlink as your "normal" user.

B

2008/5/29 Bryn Salisbury <bryn.salisbury at gmail.com>:
> Try putting the long path inside quote marks:
>
> ln -s "/media/disk/Documents and Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies" movies
>
> I should have asked you about that...
>
> B
>
> 2008/5/29 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:
>> ok.  did what was suggested.  results:
>>
>> root@********-desktop:~# cd Desktop
>> root@********-desktop:~/Desktop# ln -s /media/disk/Documents and
>> Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies movies
>> ln: target `movies' is not a directory
>> root@********-desktop:~/Desktop# ln -s /media/disk/Documents and
>> Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies
>> ln: target `Documents/Movies' is not a directory
>> root@********-desktop:~/Desktop#
>>
>> Any idea what I did wrong?
>>
>> I copied the path directly from the file browser.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>
>



From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Thu May 29 22:08:36 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:08:36 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] shortcut to movies
In-Reply-To: <e8c51aca0805291453g6b9f85f5xf2cb16d1e9cff98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W123B60D5BF16C0E03ED689C5BF0@phx.gbl>
	<e8c51aca0805291453g6b9f85f5xf2cb16d1e9cff98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805291508k6006b028i5eaafdd636b8e658@mail.gmail.com>

If the quotes don't resolve the issue, try:

ln -s /media/disk/Documents\ and\ Settings/paul/My\ Documents/Movies movies

You'll notice the '\' to escape the spaces in the string :)

On 5/29/08, Bryn Salisbury <bryn.salisbury at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Try putting the long path inside quote marks:
>
>
> ln -s "/media/disk/Documents and Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies" movies
>
>
> I should have asked you about that...
>
> B
>
> 2008/5/29 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:
>
> > ok.  did what was suggested.  results:
> >
> > root@********-desktop:~# cd Desktop
> > root@********-desktop:~/Desktop# ln -s /media/disk/Documents and
> > Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies movies
> > ln: target `movies' is not a directory
> > root@********-desktop:~/Desktop# ln -s /media/disk/Documents and
> > Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies
> > ln: target `Documents/Movies' is not a directory
> > root@********-desktop:~/Desktop#
> >
> > Any idea what I did wrong?
> >
> > I copied the path directly from the file browser.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Get 5GB of online storage for free! Get it Now!
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>



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From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com  Thu May 29 22:56:31 2008
From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:56:31 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Mystery Science Theatre 3000 Reborn
Message-ID: <e8c51aca0805291556w553ad34p849511eff450e3da@mail.gmail.com>

Mentioned at the meeting:

http://www.rifftrax.com/

Just buy one, download it and play over the film you're watching for
added hilarity.

Enjoy

B



From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 06:31:34 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 06:31:34 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Mystery Science Theatre 3000 Reborn
In-Reply-To: <e8c51aca0805291556w553ad34p849511eff450e3da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8c51aca0805291556w553ad34p849511eff450e3da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W49A1A289BABB44E2FD496CC5BE0@phx.gbl>


sorry.  BUY????

not bought anything like this for years. lol

> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 23:56:28 +0100
> From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Mystery Science Theatre 3000 Reborn
> 
> Mentioned at the meeting:
> 
> http://www.rifftrax.com/
> 
> Just buy one, download it and play over the film you're watching for
> added hilarity.
> 
> Enjoy
> 
> B
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

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From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com  Fri May 30 08:08:51 2008
From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:08:51 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Mystery Science Theatre 3000 Reborn
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W49A1A289BABB44E2FD496CC5BE0@phx.gbl>
References: <e8c51aca0805291556w553ad34p849511eff450e3da@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W49A1A289BABB44E2FD496CC5BE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e8c51aca0805300108t49f433adj78ce03a579c93fbd@mail.gmail.com>

> sorry.  BUY????
>
> not bought anything like this for years. lol
>

With the exchange rate, I think it works out at a button and a bit of
pocket lint.

Seriously though, they're bloody funny :)

B



From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 09:41:10 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:41:10 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Mystery Science Theatre 3000 Reborn
In-Reply-To: <e8c51aca0805300108t49f433adj78ce03a579c93fbd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e8c51aca0805291556w553ad34p849511eff450e3da@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W49A1A289BABB44E2FD496CC5BE0@phx.gbl> 
	<e8c51aca0805300108t49f433adj78ce03a579c93fbd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W25E1B480E3285D9564D351C5BE0@phx.gbl>


np.  already added them.  cheers.

> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:08:48 +0100
> From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Mystery Science Theatre 3000 Reborn
> 
> > sorry.  BUY????
> >
> > not bought anything like this for years. lol
> >
> 
> With the exchange rate, I think it works out at a button and a bit of
> pocket lint.
> 
> Seriously though, they're bloody funny :)
> 
> B
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 09:47:37 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:47:37 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Fish Fillets
Message-ID: <BAY110-W293866860DC01747421DE7C5BE0@phx.gbl>


Was just getting into the game "Fish Fillets", when I had to quit - can't remember why.  Closed it down as normal.  next time I reloaded it, I get a black screen with the message that the screen size is not supported!

I have no idea why this is, except the fact that my monitor is a bit old and only supports 1000ish x 700ish (cant remember exact dimensions!)

Still, I got a bit annoyed at losing all my levels and removed it, then reinstalled it.   Same problem!

Any ideas?

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From r.downing at dl.ac.uk  Fri May 30 09:53:52 2008
From: r.downing at dl.ac.uk (Roger Downing)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:53:52 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Fish Fillets
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W293866860DC01747421DE7C5BE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W293866860DC01747421DE7C5BE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200805301053.50621.r.downing@dl.ac.uk>

On Friday 30 May 2008 10:47:29 Paul Williams wrote:
> Was just getting into the game "Fish Fillets", when I had to quit - can't
> remember why.  Closed it down as normal.  next time I reloaded it, I get a
> black screen with the message that the screen size is not supported!
>
> I have no idea why this is, except the fact that my monitor is a bit old
> and only supports 1000ish x 700ish (cant remember exact dimensions!)
>
> Still, I got a bit annoyed at losing all my levels and removed it, then
> reinstalled it.   Same problem!
>
> Any ideas?
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Great deals on almost anything at eBay.co.uk. Search, bid, find and win on
> eBay today! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000004ukm/direct/01/

If you're running it via your desktop menu, try running it instead at a 
command-line and see if any error messages get displayed?

-- 
Roger Downing
eScience systems administrator
STFC
Daresbury Laboratories
Keckwick Lane
Warrington
WA4 4AD

Tel: 01925 603937
Mbl: 07880 736154



From smedley358 at btinternet.com  Fri May 30 09:59:21 2008
From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:59:21 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Fish Fillets
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W293866860DC01747421DE7C5BE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W293866860DC01747421DE7C5BE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1212141797.3815.32.camel@GNU-Mac-II.bradwall>

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 09:47 +0000, Paul Williams wrote:
> Still, I got a bit annoyed at losing all my levels and removed it,
> then reinstalled it.   Same problem!
> 
> Any ideas?

When you removed it, did it leave behind a config file?
Have a look and see if there's a res setting - or full
screen - in there.

 - Richard









From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 13:06:38 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:06:38 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] youtube links
Message-ID: <BAY110-W261DC5468E24260742311BC5BE0@phx.gbl>


Here's the funny vids we talked about last night:

Darth Vader being rude:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psNyK2kOvzY&feature=related

Darth Vader vs Japanese Police

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INmz-EntcvM&feature=related

Death Star Canteen (Eddie Izzard / lego)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw

Wii Fit Parody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYBmAVuBns

Microsoft Surface Parody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY

Linkin Park Parody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYNRhzX6gw8

enjoy


Sorry I had to cut and run.  It turns out my daughter has chicken pox!  Luckily she's only 4, so it shouldn't be too harsh for her.

Cheers

paul

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From dh at iucr.org  Fri May 30 14:08:47 2008
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:08:47 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] youtube links
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W261DC5468E24260742311BC5BE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W261DC5468E24260742311BC5BE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <200805301509.33298.dh@iucr.org>

On Friday 30 May 2008, Paul Williams wrote:
> Here's the funny vids we talked about last night:
>
> Darth Vader being rude:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psNyK2kOvzY&feature=related
>
> Darth Vader vs Japanese Police
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INmz-EntcvM&feature=related
>
> Death Star Canteen (Eddie Izzard / lego)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw
>
> Wii Fit Parody:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYBmAVuBns
>
> Microsoft Surface Parody:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY
>
> Linkin Park Parody:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYNRhzX6gw8
>
> enjoy
>
>
> Sorry I had to cut and run.  It turns out my daughter has chicken pox! 
> Luckily she's only 4, so it shouldn't be too harsh for her.
>
> Cheers
>
> paul
>

 sounds like you had a good night, sorry I didn't turn up, I had a crash of a 
different type to les, our main DB went down :-(

Dave.



-- 
Dr. David Holden.

See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 14:25:43 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:25:43 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] youtube links
In-Reply-To: <200805301509.33298.dh@iucr.org>
References: <BAY110-W261DC5468E24260742311BC5BE0@phx.gbl>
	<200805301509.33298.dh@iucr.org>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W42965053C2592D03EEBF47C5BE0@phx.gbl>


D'oh!  All fixed?

Have sorted out the wiring up issue.  Had about 3m of cable left at the end and did the job in under an hour.

Upstairs now has wired broadband.  Woohoo!

> From: dh at iucr.org
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] youtube links
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 15:09:33 +0100
> 
> On Friday 30 May 2008, Paul Williams wrote:
> > Here's the funny vids we talked about last night:
> >
> > Darth Vader being rude:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psNyK2kOvzY&feature=related
> >
> > Darth Vader vs Japanese Police
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INmz-EntcvM&feature=related
> >
> > Death Star Canteen (Eddie Izzard / lego)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5iEK-IEzw
> >
> > Wii Fit Parody:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYBmAVuBns
> >
> > Microsoft Surface Parody:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY
> >
> > Linkin Park Parody:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYNRhzX6gw8
> >
> > enjoy
> >
> >
> > Sorry I had to cut and run.  It turns out my daughter has chicken pox! 
> > Luckily she's only 4, so it shouldn't be too harsh for her.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > paul
> >
> 
>  sounds like you had a good night, sorry I didn't turn up, I had a crash of a 
> different type to les, our main DB went down :-(
> 
> Dave.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Dr. David Holden.
> 
> See: <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>
> regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request.
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester

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From iamseawolf at gmail.com  Fri May 30 15:54:26 2008
From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (Ben Arnold)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 15:54:26 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] youtube links
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W261DC5468E24260742311BC5BE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY110-W261DC5468E24260742311BC5BE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0805300854k2e72a657p6b3a53c0255bc065@mail.gmail.com>

On 30/05/2008, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Wii Fit Parody:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYBmAVuBns
>
> Microsoft Surface Parody:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY

Those are fantastic!
I can't wait to get a big-ass table in my house! (Please, no xkcd
"swap adjective-noun" on that.)

-- 
|             seawolf             |
|           Ben  Arnold           |
|    e-mail / msn / icq / web     |
| ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com |
| iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com |



From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com  Fri May 30 15:57:13 2008
From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 15:57:13 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] youtube links
In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0805300854k2e72a657p6b3a53c0255bc065@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W261DC5468E24260742311BC5BE0@phx.gbl>
	<9c3bfa1d0805300854k2e72a657p6b3a53c0255bc065@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8c51aca0805300857w4b78a029n49ea935ae055ee56@mail.gmail.com>

> (Please, no xkcd swap adjective-noun" on that.)
>

Aww... spoilsport. I'll sit back down then.

B



From fgaughan at gmail.com  Thu May 29 22:57:15 2008
From: fgaughan at gmail.com (Fintan Gaughan)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:57:15 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] mutt configuration
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805290047x4ebcddber685a234e2ee8c2d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080528160512.GA8798@movedx.uk>
	<20080528221715.GB7312@fintan-desktop>
	<f25cdb7e0805290011l17b6157ch2ec4795414dff246@mail.gmail.com>
	<b346f5340805290044m1d676634o93123e51ea16f738@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25cdb7e0805290047x4ebcddber685a234e2ee8c2d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b346f5340805291557s42f9809fk7e4660515d0c15f@mail.gmail.com>

Michael

a bit messy as my muttrc was so long and too many folder hooks for
different jobs  etc
anyway this will do below
just configure from line 1 to 18

The trick is to coment and uncomment the hash and see what it
does,thats how i learnt
Mutt.

Belive me once you use mutt after a few weeks you will never go back
to any other mail client :-)
any more questions just ask....

Fintan




#configure
set imap_user = 'username at gmail.com'
set imap_pass = 'password'
set smtp_url = "smtp://username at smtp.gmail.com:587/"
set smtp_pass = "password"
set from = "username at gmail.com"
set realname = "Bob Smith"
##end of configuration##

set folder = "imaps://imap.gmail.com:993"
set spoolfile = "+INBOX"
set record="+[Gmail]/Sent Mail"
set postponed="+[Gmail]/Drafts"

### below you should have/create a folder in home directory called .mutt
set header_cache="~/.mutt/cache/headers"
set message_cachedir="~/.mutt/cache/bodies"
set certificate_file=~/.mutt/certificates
###



set move = no



# Ignore all headers
ignore *

# Then un-ignore the ones I want to see
unignore From:
unignore To:
unignore Reply-To:
unignore Mail-Followup-To:
unignore Subject:
unignore Date:
unignore Organization:
unignore Newsgroups:
unignore CC:
unignore BCC:
unignore X-Mailer:
unignore User-Agent:


# Now order the visable header lines
hdr_order From: Subject: To: CC: BCC: Reply-To: Mail-Followup-To:
Date: Organization: User-Agent: X-Mailer:







#set alias_file=~/.mutt/aliases            # Keep aliases in this file.
#set reverse_alias=yes
set postpone=ask-no                       # Ask about postponing.
set postponed=+postponed                  # Where postponed messages live.
set nomove                                # Hold messages in $MAIL.
set print=ask-yes                         # Ask before printing.
set delete=ask-yes                        # Ask before doing a delete.
set include                               # Include the message in replies.
set sort_aux=date-received                # Sort threads by date received.

                                          # Attribution line.
set attribution="* %n <%a> [%{%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %Z}]:\n"
set edit_headers                          # I want to edit the message headers.
set nomark_old                            # Don't mark unread new msgs as old.

set copy                                  # Keep copies of outgoing mail...
set nobeep                                # We don't need no beeping software.
set smart_wrap                            # Don't want smart wrapping.
set nomarkers                             # Don't want any wrap markers.
set mime_forward                          # Forward message as MIME attachments.
set pager_context=3                       # Display 3 lines of context in pager.
set nostrict_threads                      # Lets have some fuzzy threading.
set fcc_clear                             # Keep fcc's clear of
signatues and encryption.
set nopipe_decode                         # Don't decode messages when piping.
					  # Print via a2ps
set print_command="a2ps -1gEmail --borders=no --strip=3"
set tilde                                 # Fill out messages with '~'.
set read_inc=100                          # Read counter ticks every 100 msgs.
set write_inc=100                         # Write counter ticks every 100 msgs.
set noconfirmappend                       # Just append, don't hassle me.
set pager_stop                            # Don't skip msgs on next page.

                                          # What we consider to be a quote.
set quote_regexp="^( {0,4}[>|:#%]| {0,4}[a-z0-9]+[>|]+)+"
set to_chars=" +TCF "                     # Drop the "L".




# HTML is the last option.
alternative_order text/enriched text/plain text/html




#  get mutt to display its version on startup.
push <show-version>








# -*- muttrc -*-
#
# Colour settings for mutt.
#

# Default colour definitions
color hdrdefault black        cyan
color quoted     red          white
color signature  brightblack  white
color indicator  brightwhite  red
color attachment black        green
color error      red          white
color message    blue         white
color search     brightwhite  magenta
color status     brightyellow blue
color tree       red          white
color normal     blue         white
color tilde      green        white
color bold       brightyellow white
color markers    red          white

# Colour definitions when on a mono screen
mono bold      bold
mono underline underline
mono indicator reverse



# Colours for items in the index
color index brightblue  white ~N
color index brightgreen white "~N (~x gaughan\.co\.uk | ~h
\"^In-[Rr]eply-[Tt]o: .*gaughan\.co\.uk\")"
color index red         white ~F
color index black       green ~T
color index brightwhite black ~D
mono  index bold              ~N
mono  index bold              ~F
mono  index bold              ~T
mono  index bold              ~D

# Highlights inside the body of a message.

# URLs
color body brightblue  white "(http|https|ftp|news|telnet|finger)://[^
\">\t\r\n]*"
color body brightblue  white "mailto:[-a-z_0-9.]+@[-a-z_0-9.]+"
color body brightblue  white "news:[^ \">\t\r\n]*"
mono  body bold              "(http|https|ftp|news|telnet|finger)://[^
\">\t\r\n]*"
mono  body bold              "mailto:[-a-z_0-9.]+@[-a-z_0-9.]+"
mono  body bold              "news:[^ \">\t\r\n]*"

# email addresses
color body brightblue  white "[-a-z_0-9.%$]+@[-a-z_0-9.]+\\.[-a-z][-a-z]+"
mono  body bold              "[-a-z_0-9.%$]+@[-a-z_0-9.]+\\.[-a-z][-a-z]+"

# Various smilies and the like
color body brightgreen white "<[Gg]>"
          # <g>
color body brightgreen white "<[Bb][Gg]>"
          # <bg>
color body brightgreen white " [;:]-*[)>(<|]"
          # :-) etc...
color body brightblue  white
"(^|[[:space:]])\\*[^[:space:]]+\\*([[:space:]]|$)" # *Bold* text.
color body brightblue  white
"(^|[[:space:]])_[^[:space:]]+_([[:space:]]|$)"     # _Underlined_
text.
color body brightblue  white
"(^|[[:space:]])/[^[:space:]]+/([[:space:]]|$)"     # /Italic/ text.


# -*- muttrc -*-
#
# Tell mutt which MIME types to auto-view
#

auto_view application/zip
auto_view application/x-gzip
auto_view application/x-gunzip
auto_view application/pgp-signature
auto_view application/pgp
auto_view application/octet-stream
auto_view application/x-zip-compressed
auto_view application/x-arj-compressed
auto_view application/x-tar-gz
auto_view application/ms-tnef
auto_view application/x-perl
auto_view application/x-sh
auto_view application/x-tcl
auto_view application/x-delphi-source
auto_view application/emacs-lisp
auto_view application/msword
auto_view text/x-patch
auto_view text/html
auto_view text/x-vcard
auto_view text/x-script.elisp
auto_view text/x-lisp
auto_view text/x-diff
auto_view image/tiff


# macros for mutt.

# Macros for use in the index.
macro index "\Cx\Cb" "<change-folder>?"
   # Folder list.
macro index "\Cx\Cs" "<pipe-message>cat > ~/"
   # Save message
macro index "\'"     "<clear-flag>r"
   # Mark as un-replied
macro index "y"
"<sync-mailbox><change-folder>?<toggle-mailboxes>"   # "-y" screen
macro index "o"    "<pipe-message>urlview<enter>"
 # URL viewer.
macro index "\ea"    "<change-folder>=archives/<tab><tab>"
   # List archives


# Macros for use in the pager.
macro pager "w"      "<enter-command>set invsmart_wrap
invmarkers<enter>" # Toggle wrap stuff
macro pager "y"
"<sync-mailbox><change-folder>?<toggle-mailboxes>"   # "-y" screen
macro pager "o"    "<pipe-message>urlview<enter>"
 # URL viewer.
macro pager "\Cx\Cb" "<change-folder>?"
   # Folder list.
macro pager "\Cx\Cs" "<pipe-message>cat > ~/"
   # Save message
macro pager "\eh"    "<pipe-message>mailhops<enter>"
   # View the path of the mail.

# Provide some "on-line" help.
macro generic "\e?" "<shell-escape>less /usr/local/doc/mutt/manual.txt<enter>"
macro index   "\e?" "<shell-escape>less /usr/local/doc/mutt/manual.txt<enter>"
macro pager   "\e?" "<shell-escape>less /usr/local/doc/mutt/manual.txt<enter>"







# -*- muttrc -*-

# Use the global defaults first.
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Fri May 30 06:30:34 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 06:30:34 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] shortcut to movies
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805291508k6006b028i5eaafdd636b8e658@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W123B60D5BF16C0E03ED689C5BF0@phx.gbl>
	<e8c51aca0805291453g6b9f85f5xf2cb16d1e9cff98@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f25cdb7e0805291508k6006b028i5eaafdd636b8e658@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W46B4C98713E70A0CE8A2E8C5BE0@phx.gbl>


The quotes thing worked.  Cheers guys.

Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 23:08:32 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] shortcut to movies

If the quotes don't resolve the issue, try:

ln -s /media/disk/Documents\ and\ Settings/paul/My\ Documents/Movies movies
 
You'll notice the '\' to escape the spaces in the string :)


On 5/29/08, Bryn Salisbury <bryn.salisbury at gmail.com> wrote:
Try putting the long path inside quote marks:


 ln -s "/media/disk/Documents and Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies" movies


I should have asked you about that...

 B

 2008/5/29 Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk>:


> ok.  did what was suggested.  results:
 >
 > root@********-desktop:~# cd Desktop
 > root@********-desktop:~/Desktop# ln -s /media/disk/Documents and
 > Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies movies

 > ln: target `movies' is not a directory
 > root@********-desktop:~/Desktop# ln -s /media/disk/Documents and
 > Settings/paul/My Documents/Movies
 > ln: target `Documents/Movies' is not a directory

 > root@********-desktop:~/Desktop#
 >
 > Any idea what I did wrong?
 >
 > I copied the path directly from the file browser.
 >
 >
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Sat May 31 11:08:25 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 11:08:25 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981@Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin]
	[Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket Shareholders
	at BT PLC AGM]
In-Reply-To: <20080530223309.GA4039@popey.com>
References: <20080530223309.GA4039@popey.com>
Message-ID: <a801c01e0805310408w681b84e4gf39c4a650ae75701@mail.gmail.com>

After our Phorm conversation in the LUG meet this week I thought this was
interesting...


----- Forwarded message from S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk -----

To: admin at lug.org.uk
From: S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 23:23:56 +0100
Cc:
Subject: [admin] [Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket
       Shareholders at BT PLC AGM

Alexander Hanff sent a message using the contact form at
http://lug.org.uk/contact.

I know this is not Linux related, but I am a long term and well known Linux
user here in the UK so I thought maybe you guys could support me by posting
this out to your lists and newsletters:

Press Release - Immediate Release

Protesters to Picket shareholders at BT PLC Annual General Meeting - 16th
July 2008

On 16th July 2008 there will be a full day protest against the use of Deep
Packet Inspection for the purpose of behavioural profiling.  The event will
focus on the plans by BT PLC, Virgin Media and Car Phone Warehouse to
introduce deep packet inspection technologies through exclusive contracts
with Phorm Inc.

Since Phorm issued a press release on 14th February 2008 regarding these
exclusive contracts there has been a storm of outrage amongst the public,
leading academics, privacy advocates, Members of Parliament, Members of the
European Parliament, Peers in the House of Lords and the industry as whole.
The technology has been called illegal by Foundation for Information
Policy Research, which was recently supported by a statement from the
European Commission.

As a result of the negative publicity generated over the past 3 months
Phorm Inc.'s share price has plummeted by approx 70% and continues to
struggle to develop confidence from investors.

In 2006/2007 BT PLC have admitted to running covert trials of the
technology without first obtaining the consent from customers required by
EU and UK Data Protection and Communications regulations, directives and
legislation.  However, to date neither the Information Commissioner nor the
Secretary of State have held BT PLC to account for these allegedly illegal
actions.

Therefore, the growing public campaign to seek justice for the victims of
these covert trials and the wider mission of stopping the technology from
being deployed, has led to an organised one day protest in London, UK.
There is expected to be a significant press and media presence at the event
which will begin at the Barbican Centre, continue on to BT Centre (BT's
corporate HQ) and finally end with a march on to Charing Cross Metropolitan
Police Station in the early evening.  On arrival at the Metropolitan Police
station a full case file with witness testimonies and supporting evidence,
along with a petition demanding a criminal investigation will be handed to
the senior officer on duty.

For more details about the event, please visit the following two web
sites:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/30/bt_agm_phorm_protest
http://www.nodpi.org

If you require further information please contact me by reply.

Sincerely,

Alexander Hanff
University of Cumbria

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Sat May 31 13:46:13 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 13:46:13 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981@Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin]
	[Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket Shareholders
	at BT PLC AGM]
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0805310408w681b84e4gf39c4a650ae75701@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080530223309.GA4039@popey.com>
	<a801c01e0805310408w681b84e4gf39c4a650ae75701@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805310646w4bf36e2fi4541b05de9b02f43@mail.gmail.com>

I have strange feelings towards this Phorm thing. I don't mind being "spied"
on, if you can call it that, because I have nothing to hide; just as I don't
mind CCTV, biometric ID cards, DNA tests and databases - I don't break the
law and I don't have a criminal record it is therefore only in place to
assist me, not hinder me.

However, the thing that does boil my blood about Phorm is purely the fact
they're breaking the law. I hate, with a passion, big companies thinking
they can just do as they please and are above the law - i.e. MS.

That's my two-cents on the matter :P


On 5/31/08, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> After our Phorm conversation in the LUG meet this week I thought this was
> interesting...
>
>
> ----- Forwarded message from S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk -----
>
> To: admin at lug.org.uk
> From: S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 23:23:56 +0100
> Cc:
> Subject: [admin] [Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket
>        Shareholders at BT PLC AGM
>
> Alexander Hanff sent a message using the contact form at
> http://lug.org.uk/contact.
>
> I know this is not Linux related, but I am a long term and well known Linux
> user here in the UK so I thought maybe you guys could support me by posting
> this out to your lists and newsletters:
>
> Press Release - Immediate Release
>
> Protesters to Picket shareholders at BT PLC Annual General Meeting - 16th
> July 2008
>
> On 16th July 2008 there will be a full day protest against the use of Deep
> Packet Inspection for the purpose of behavioural profiling.  The event will
> focus on the plans by BT PLC, Virgin Media and Car Phone Warehouse to
> introduce deep packet inspection technologies through exclusive contracts
> with Phorm Inc.
>
> Since Phorm issued a press release on 14th February 2008 regarding these
> exclusive contracts there has been a storm of outrage amongst the public,
> leading academics, privacy advocates, Members of Parliament, Members of the
> European Parliament, Peers in the House of Lords and the industry as whole.
> The technology has been called illegal by Foundation for Information
> Policy Research, which was recently supported by a statement from the
> European Commission.
>
> As a result of the negative publicity generated over the past 3 months
> Phorm Inc.'s share price has plummeted by approx 70% and continues to
> struggle to develop confidence from investors.
>
> In 2006/2007 BT PLC have admitted to running covert trials of the
> technology without first obtaining the consent from customers required by
> EU and UK Data Protection and Communications regulations, directives and
> legislation.  However, to date neither the Information Commissioner nor the
> Secretary of State have held BT PLC to account for these allegedly illegal
> actions.
>
> Therefore, the growing public campaign to seek justice for the victims of
> these covert trials and the wider mission of stopping the technology from
> being deployed, has led to an organised one day protest in London, UK.
> There is expected to be a significant press and media presence at the event
> which will begin at the Barbican Centre, continue on to BT Centre (BT's
> corporate HQ) and finally end with a march on to Charing Cross Metropolitan
> Police Station in the early evening.  On arrival at the Metropolitan Police
> station a full case file with witness testimonies and supporting evidence,
> along with a petition demanding a criminal investigation will be handed to
> the senior officer on duty.
>
> For more details about the event, please visit the following two web
> sites:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/30/bt_agm_phorm_protest
> http://www.nodpi.org
>
> If you require further information please contact me by reply.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Alexander Hanff
> University of Cumbria
>
> _______________________________________________
> admin mailing list
> admin at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/admin
>
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Sat May 31 14:26:17 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 14:26:17 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981@Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin]
	[Feedback] Press Release - Prost
In-Reply-To: <f25cdb7e0805310646w4bf36e2fi4541b05de9b02f43@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080530223309.GA4039@popey.com>
	<a801c01e0805310408w681b84e4gf39c4a650ae75701@mail.gmail.com> 
	<f25cdb7e0805310646w4bf36e2fi4541b05de9b02f43@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY110-W34C4F29FA1FEB21F8E35FC5B90@phx.gbl>


CCTV and other such equipment is fair enough - they're spying on you in public!  Phorm spies on you in the privacy of your own home!  It's like a phone tap.

How would you like it if a film crew set up shop in your house, telling you that you wouldn't be famous or paid for the intrusion, but if they didn't like what they saw, you were in trouble!  Sounds extreme, but that's what it basically is.  What about your hidden stash of porn?  No more downloading for fear that the government will have that info on a file about you somewhere - that's like the film crew setting up in your bedroom and giving you points for originality!

Seriously though - I think it's a bad idea.  What possible gains do we - the public actually gain from this investment in time, money, resources, and bandwidth (surely there will be some loss due to monitoring??) 

Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 14:46:10 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin]	[Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket Shareholders	at BT PLC AGM]

I have strange feelings towards this Phorm thing. I don't mind being "spied" on, if you can call it that, because I have nothing to hide; just as I don't mind CCTV, biometric ID cards, DNA tests and databases - I don't break the law and I don't have a criminal record it is therefore only in place to assist me, not hinder me.

 
However, the thing that does boil my blood about Phorm is purely the fact they're breaking the law. I hate, with a passion, big companies thinking they can just do as they please and are above the law - i.e. MS.

 
That's my two-cents on the matter :P

 
On 5/31/08, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
After our Phorm conversation in the LUG meet this week I thought this was interesting...



----- Forwarded message from S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk -----

To: admin at lug.org.uk

From: S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 23:23:56 +0100
Cc:
Subject: [admin] [Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket

       Shareholders at BT PLC AGM

Alexander Hanff sent a message using the contact form at
http://lug.org.uk/contact.


I know this is not Linux related, but I am a long term and well known Linux
user here in the UK so I thought maybe you guys could support me by posting
this out to your lists and newsletters:

Press Release - Immediate Release


Protesters to Picket shareholders at BT PLC Annual General Meeting - 16th
July 2008

On 16th July 2008 there will be a full day protest against the use of Deep
Packet Inspection for the purpose of behavioural profiling.  The event will

focus on the plans by BT PLC, Virgin Media and Car Phone Warehouse to
introduce deep packet inspection technologies through exclusive contracts
with Phorm Inc.

Since Phorm issued a press release on 14th February 2008 regarding these

exclusive contracts there has been a storm of outrage amongst the public,
leading academics, privacy advocates, Members of Parliament, Members of the
European Parliament, Peers in the House of Lords and the industry as whole.

The technology has been called illegal by Foundation for Information
Policy Research, which was recently supported by a statement from the
European Commission.

As a result of the negative publicity generated over the past 3 months

Phorm Inc.'s share price has plummeted by approx 70% and continues to
struggle to develop confidence from investors.

In 2006/2007 BT PLC have admitted to running covert trials of the
technology without first obtaining the consent from customers required by

EU and UK Data Protection and Communications regulations, directives and
legislation.  However, to date neither the Information Commissioner nor the
Secretary of State have held BT PLC to account for these allegedly illegal

actions.

Therefore, the growing public campaign to seek justice for the victims of
these covert trials and the wider mission of stopping the technology from
being deployed, has led to an organised one day protest in London, UK.

There is expected to be a significant press and media presence at the event
which will begin at the Barbican Centre, continue on to BT Centre (BT's
corporate HQ) and finally end with a march on to Charing Cross Metropolitan

Police Station in the early evening.  On arrival at the Metropolitan Police
station a full case file with witness testimonies and supporting evidence,
along with a petition demanding a criminal investigation will be handed to

the senior officer on duty.

For more details about the event, please visit the following two web
sites:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/30/bt_agm_phorm_protest

http://www.nodpi.org

If you require further information please contact me by reply.

Sincerely,


Alexander Hanff
University of Cumbria

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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Sat May 31 15:02:10 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 15:02:10 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive
Message-ID: <BAY110-W14F9DEEF2BFCA77BC4EBC0C5B90@phx.gbl>


Hi again.  I have hooked up a PC to my broadband connection via a wired connection.  It is attached to the same router as my PC downstairs.  Both systems use Ubuntu 8.04.  The one downstairs has an external hd connected via USB.  Can I share it so it can be easily be accessed upstairs?  If so, how?

Ta

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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Sat May 31 15:15:57 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 15:15:57 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981@Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin]
	[Feedback] Press Release - Prost
In-Reply-To: <BAY110-W34C4F29FA1FEB21F8E35FC5B90@phx.gbl>
References: <20080530223309.GA4039@popey.com>
	<a801c01e0805310408w681b84e4gf39c4a650ae75701@mail.gmail.com>
	<f25cdb7e0805310646w4bf36e2fi4541b05de9b02f43@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY110-W34C4F29FA1FEB21F8E35FC5B90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f25cdb7e0805310815l58b4563byd25648fe7287440b@mail.gmail.com>

I see and understand the points you put forward but...

"What about your hidden stash of porn?  No more downloading for fear that
the government will have that info on a file about you somewhere"

I'm not afraid to admit I have porn and believe it or not (not many do), it
was all legally obtained - why do you think I run Linux? Because it's legal
for me to download and install it... just like my music collection is legal
and my DVD collection is legal. Granted, I download an album before buying
it, but if I don't like it, it's deleted. I download movies before buying
them, but that download comes legal the moment I obtain the DVD, as
copyright law states I can make personal backups of digital property. Not to
mention the fact that I am not important enough to attract the attention of
the government :)

That being said, I see exactly where you're coming from. They are indeed
spying on you, without you knowing, in your home - that is quite invasive.
Personally, however, this doesn't bother me. You're analogy of the camera is
really over the top when you consider Phorm won't be recording me air
guitarto Iron Maiden on my bed ;)

Also, isn't the aim of Phorm to change the adverts presented to you based on
deep-packet observations? If so, what's the difference? I guess I really
wouldn't understand as I can't bring my self to be bothered by this level of
invasion into my privacy.

- mike.

On 5/31/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> CCTV and other such equipment is fair enough - they're spying on you in
> public!  Phorm spies on you in the privacy of your own home!  It's like a
> phone tap.
>
> How would you like it if a film crew set up shop in your house, telling you
> that you wouldn't be famous or paid for the intrusion, but if they didn't
> like what they saw, you were in trouble!  Sounds extreme, but that's what it
> basically is.  What about your hidden stash of porn?  No more downloading
> for fear that the government will have that info on a file about you
> somewhere - that's like the film crew setting up in your bedroom and giving
> you points for originality!
>
> Seriously though - I think it's a bad idea.  What possible gains do we -
> the public actually gain from this investment in time, money, resources, and
> bandwidth (surely there will be some loss due to monitoring??)
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 14:46:10 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk:
> [admin] [Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket Shareholders at BT
> PLC AGM]
>
> I have strange feelings towards this Phorm thing. I don't mind being
> "spied" on, if you can call it that, because I have nothing to hide; just as
> I don't mind CCTV, biometric ID cards, DNA tests and databases - I don't
> break the law and I don't have a criminal record it is therefore only in
> place to assist me, not hinder me.
>
> However, the thing that does boil my blood about Phorm is purely the fact
> they're breaking the law. I hate, with a passion, big companies thinking
> they can just do as they please and are above the law - i.e. MS.
>
> That's my two-cents on the matter :P
>
>
> On 5/31/08, *Les Pritchard* <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> After our Phorm conversation in the LUG meet this week I thought this was
> interesting...
>
>
> ----- Forwarded message from S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk -----
>
> To: admin at lug.org.uk
> From: S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 23:23:56 +0100
> Cc:
> Subject: [admin] [Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket
>        Shareholders at BT PLC AGM
>
> Alexander Hanff sent a message using the contact form at
> http://lug.org.uk/contact.
>
> I know this is not Linux related, but I am a long term and well known Linux
> user here in the UK so I thought maybe you guys could support me by posting
> this out to your lists and newsletters:
>
> Press Release - Immediate Release
>
> Protesters to Picket shareholders at BT PLC Annual General Meeting - 16th
> July 2008
>
> On 16th July 2008 there will be a full day protest against the use of Deep
> Packet Inspection for the purpose of behavioural profiling.  The event will
> focus on the plans by BT PLC, Virgin Media and Car Phone Warehouse to
> introduce deep packet inspection technologies through exclusive contracts
> with Phorm Inc.
>
> Since Phorm issued a press release on 14th February 2008 regarding these
> exclusive contracts there has been a storm of outrage amongst the public,
> leading academics, privacy advocates, Members of Parliament, Members of the
> European Parliament, Peers in the House of Lords and the industry as whole.
> The technology has been called illegal by Foundation for Information
> Policy Research, which was recently supported by a statement from the
> European Commission.
>
> As a result of the negative publicity generated over the past 3 months
> Phorm Inc.'s share price has plummeted by approx 70% and continues to
> struggle to develop confidence from investors.
>
> In 2006/2007 BT PLC have admitted to running covert trials of the
> technology without first obtaining the consent from customers required by
> EU and UK Data Protection and Communications regulations, directives and
> legislation.  However, to date neither the Information Commissioner nor the
> Secretary of State have held BT PLC to account for these allegedly illegal
> actions.
>
> Therefore, the growing public campaign to seek justice for the victims of
> these covert trials and the wider mission of stopping the technology from
> being deployed, has led to an organised one day protest in London, UK.
> There is expected to be a significant press and media presence at the event
> which will begin at the Barbican Centre, continue on to BT Centre (BT's
> corporate HQ) and finally end with a march on to Charing Cross Metropolitan
> Police Station in the early evening.  On arrival at the Metropolitan Police
> station a full case file with witness testimonies and supporting evidence,
> along with a petition demanding a criminal investigation will be handed to
> the senior officer on duty.
>
> For more details about the event, please visit the following two web
> sites:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/30/bt_agm_phorm_protest
> http://www.nodpi.org
>
> If you require further information please contact me by reply.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Alexander Hanff
> University of Cumbria
>
> _______________________________________________
> admin mailing list
> admin at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/admin
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Sat May 31 15:17:20 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 15:17:20 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive
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Sounds like a job for a NAS setup - Network Attached Storage. You'd have to
configure a NAS deamon on the machine the USB drive is plugged into and then
have that NAS mount/offer the USB drive as a networkable mount point - or
something to this effect. I've never done it my self but I have read it is
possible.

On 5/31/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi again.  I have hooked up a PC to my broadband connection via a wired
> connection.  It is attached to the same router as my PC downstairs.  Both
> systems use Ubuntu 8.04.  The one downstairs has an external hd connected
> via USB.  Can I share it so it can be easily be accessed upstairs?  If so,
> how?
>
> Ta
>
> Paul
>
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Sat May 31 15:48:04 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 15:48:04 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive
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Sounds like a job for....  da dum dah!!!  Network Man!

Seriously though, sounds both easy and tricky at the same time.  Firstly, I understood every word you said!  But I have no Idea how to do it!

Anyone?

Ta

Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:17:18 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive

Sounds like a job for a NAS setup - Network Attached Storage. You'd have to configure a NAS deamon on the machine the USB drive is plugged into and then have that NAS mount/offer the USB drive as a networkable mount point - or something to this effect. I've never done it my self but I have read it is possible.



On 5/31/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

Hi again.  I have hooked up a PC to my broadband connection via a wired connection.  It is attached to the same router as my PC downstairs.  Both systems use Ubuntu 8.04.  The one downstairs has an external hd connected via USB.  Can I share it so it can be easily be accessed upstairs?  If so, how?


Ta

Paul



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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Sat May 31 15:56:49 2008
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 15:56:49 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981@Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin]
	[Feedback] Press Release - Prost
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Fairy nuff!  I get your points.  I have a huge DVD and music collection, but my CD collection was sold off about 7 years ago before I moved house, and I kept the MP3s of them.  I also download most of my TV progs, because the TV is always tied up by the wife & kids, so I can't get access to it to watch what I want.  Morally, I've paid for the TV (SKY and Licence), but legally, I'm stealing.

Phorm may just be used for advert, but can you guarantee that the data collected will only be used in this way?

I'm in favour of small unobtrusive adverts being displayed with the shows as they air, so that any TV rip that takes place automatically contains advert that can pay for the media in full.  This way, downloads can be legallised, advertisers reach a wider audience and producers still get paid.

Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:15:53 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin]	[Feedback] Press Release - Prost

I see and understand the points you put forward but...
 
"What about your hidden stash of porn?  No more downloading for fear that the government will have that info on a file about you somewhere"
 
I'm not afraid to admit I have porn and believe it or not (not many do), it was all legally obtained - why do you think I run Linux? Because it's legal for me to download and install it... just like my music collection is legal and my DVD collection is legal. Granted, I download an album before buying it, but if I don't like it, it's deleted. I download movies before buying them, but that download comes legal the moment I obtain the DVD, as copyright law states I can make personal backups of digital property. Not to mention the fact that I am not important enough to attract the attention of the government :)

 
That being said, I see exactly where you're coming from. They are indeed spying on you, without you knowing, in your home - that is quite invasive. Personally, however, this doesn't bother me. You're analogy of the camera is really over the top when you consider Phorm won't be recording me air guitar to Iron Maiden on my bed ;)

 
Also, isn't the aim of Phorm to change the adverts presented to you based on deep-packet observations? If so, what's the difference? I guess I really wouldn't understand as I can't bring my self to be bothered by this level of invasion into my privacy.

 
- mike.
 
On 5/31/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

CCTV and other such equipment is fair enough - they're spying on you in public!  Phorm spies on you in the privacy of your own home!  It's like a phone tap.

How would you like it if a film crew set up shop in your house, telling you that you wouldn't be famous or paid for the intrusion, but if they didn't like what they saw, you were in trouble!  Sounds extreme, but that's what it basically is.  What about your hidden stash of porn?  No more downloading for fear that the government will have that info on a file about you somewhere - that's like the film crew setting up in your bedroom and giving you points for originality!


Seriously though - I think it's a bad idea.  What possible gains do we - the public actually gain from this investment in time, money, resources, and bandwidth (surely there will be some loss due to monitoring??) 





Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 14:46:10 +0100
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk

Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [lugmaster] [S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk: [admin] [Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket Shareholders at BT PLC AGM]



I have strange feelings towards this Phorm thing. I don't mind being "spied" on, if you can call it that, because I have nothing to hide; just as I don't mind CCTV, biometric ID cards, DNA tests and databases - I don't break the law and I don't have a criminal record it is therefore only in place to assist me, not hinder me.

 
However, the thing that does boil my blood about Phorm is purely the fact they're breaking the law. I hate, with a passion, big companies thinking they can just do as they please and are above the law - i.e. MS.

 
That's my two-cents on the matter :P

 
On 5/31/08, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote: 
After our Phorm conversation in the LUG meet this week I thought this was interesting...



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From: S0107981 at Cumbria.ac.uk
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 23:23:56 +0100
Cc:
Subject: [admin] [Feedback] Press Release - Prostesters to Picket

       Shareholders at BT PLC AGM

Alexander Hanff sent a message using the contact form at
http://lug.org.uk/contact.


I know this is not Linux related, but I am a long term and well known Linux
user here in the UK so I thought maybe you guys could support me by posting
this out to your lists and newsletters:

Press Release - Immediate Release


Protesters to Picket shareholders at BT PLC Annual General Meeting - 16th
July 2008

On 16th July 2008 there will be a full day protest against the use of Deep
Packet Inspection for the purpose of behavioural profiling.  The event will

focus on the plans by BT PLC, Virgin Media and Car Phone Warehouse to
introduce deep packet inspection technologies through exclusive contracts
with Phorm Inc.

Since Phorm issued a press release on 14th February 2008 regarding these

exclusive contracts there has been a storm of outrage amongst the public,
leading academics, privacy advocates, Members of Parliament, Members of the
European Parliament, Peers in the House of Lords and the industry as whole.

The technology has been called illegal by Foundation for Information
Policy Research, which was recently supported by a statement from the
European Commission.

As a result of the negative publicity generated over the past 3 months

Phorm Inc.'s share price has plummeted by approx 70% and continues to
struggle to develop confidence from investors.

In 2006/2007 BT PLC have admitted to running covert trials of the
technology without first obtaining the consent from customers required by

EU and UK Data Protection and Communications regulations, directives and
legislation.  However, to date neither the Information Commissioner nor the
Secretary of State have held BT PLC to account for these allegedly illegal

actions.

Therefore, the growing public campaign to seek justice for the victims of
these covert trials and the wider mission of stopping the technology from
being deployed, has led to an organised one day protest in London, UK.

There is expected to be a significant press and media presence at the event
which will begin at the Barbican Centre, continue on to BT Centre (BT's
corporate HQ) and finally end with a march on to Charing Cross Metropolitan

Police Station in the early evening.  On arrival at the Metropolitan Police
station a full case file with witness testimonies and supporting evidence,
along with a petition demanding a criminal investigation will be handed to

the senior officer on duty.

For more details about the event, please visit the following two web
sites:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/30/bt_agm_phorm_protest

http://www.nodpi.org

If you require further information please contact me by reply.

Sincerely,


Alexander Hanff
University of Cumbria

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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Sat May 31 16:52:50 2008
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:52:50 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive
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I think this was mentioned for another question recently, but again
webmin is your friend! If you use that youu can easily set up NFS
shares that could be mounted on the other box.  Webmin also supports
all the other main protocols so it would be good for which ever one
you go for.

Les

On 5/31/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Sounds like a job for....  da dum dah!!!  Network Man!
>
> Seriously though, sounds both easy and tricky at the same time.  Firstly, I
> understood every word you said!  But I have no Idea how to do it!
>
> Anyone?
>
> Ta
>
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:17:18 +0100
> From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive
>
> Sounds like a job for a NAS setup - Network Attached Storage. You'd have to
> configure a NAS deamon on the machine the USB drive is plugged into and then
> have that NAS mount/offer the USB drive as a networkable mount point - or
> something to this effect. I've never done it my self but I have read it is
> possible.
>
>
>
> On 5/31/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi again.  I have hooked up a PC to my broadband connection via a wired
> connection.  It is attached to the same router as my PC downstairs.  Both
> systems use Ubuntu 8.04.  The one downstairs has an external hd connected
> via USB.  Can I share it so it can be easily be accessed upstairs?  If so,
> how?
>
>
> Ta
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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From e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk  Sat May 31 17:45:15 2008
From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk (Michael Crilly)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:45:15 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive
In-Reply-To: <a801c01e0805310952m278c47dl35dbb4c97f8307fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY110-W14F9DEEF2BFCA77BC4EBC0C5B90@phx.gbl>
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Webmin is nice, just like CPanel is nice but not to sound anti-webmin - what
do you learn from using it? It does everything for you :)

It certainly will do the job though.

On 5/31/08, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think this was mentioned for another question recently, but again
> webmin is your friend! If you use that youu can easily set up NFS
> shares that could be mounted on the other box.  Webmin also supports
> all the other main protocols so it would be good for which ever one
> you go for.
>
> Les
>
>
> On 5/31/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like a job for....  da dum dah!!!  Network Man!
> >
> > Seriously though, sounds both easy and tricky at the same time.  Firstly,
> I
> > understood every word you said!  But I have no Idea how to do it!
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> > Ta
> >
> > Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:17:18 +0100
> > From: e-mail at mcrilly.co.uk
> > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Sharing a drive
> >
> > Sounds like a job for a NAS setup - Network Attached Storage. You'd have
> to
> > configure a NAS deamon on the machine the USB drive is plugged into and
> then
> > have that NAS mount/offer the USB drive as a networkable mount point - or
> > something to this effect. I've never done it my self but I have read it
> is
> > possible.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/31/08, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Hi again.  I have hooked up a PC to my broadband connection via a wired
> > connection.  It is attached to the same router as my PC downstairs.  Both
> > systems use Ubuntu 8.04.  The one downstairs has an external hd connected
> > via USB.  Can I share it so it can be easily be accessed upstairs?  If
> so,
> > how?
> >
> >
> > Ta
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > Miss your Messenger buddies when on-the-go? Get Messenger on your Mobile!
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
> >
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