From movedx at googlemail.com Mon Mar 2 17:39:44 2009 From: movedx at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:39:44 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] New PC Build Message-ID: Greetings all, I wanted to put the question forward here just in case there's a chance someone can get cheap hardware. I'm looking to build a new system soon; I'll be wanting a Core 2 Quad 2.3GHz minimum, with at least 8GB of DDR2 800MHz RAM. The machine wont be for gaming or anything, just for running Linux and Windows VMs. Suggestions? I've tried the usual eBuyer etc. -- M. T. Crilly From andy at tensixtyone.com Mon Mar 2 20:28:52 2009 From: andy at tensixtyone.com (Andrew Williams) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:28:52 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool LUG Meeting - 4th March 2009 - Graeme Dyas - FOSS Lego Mindstorm Message-ID: <20090302202846.GA12985@manex.tensixtyone.com> Liverpool Linux User Group Wednesday March 4, 2009 at 7:00pm Liverpool Social Centre 96 Bold Street Liverpool, England L1 4HY Liverpool Linux User Group are a group of Linux and open source software users that meet on the first Wednesday of the month. If no talk is organised then we will usually organise a “open stage” for people to discuss projects, current news, or just to rant. This month, we have a talk by Graeme Dyas, who will be demonstrating the Lego Mindstorm robotics kit. The firmware for the controller has been released as open source, presenting a whole new world of possibilities for what was a simple robotics kit. We will meet up in “The Old Ropewalk” pub before the meeting, then head out to the event around 7:00pm, and the talk will begin at about 7:30pm. The Liverpool Social Centre is two doors up from Forbidden Planet and is the right-hand door at the front of “News From Nowhere”. Check the window for a handy Liverpool LUG sign, which will indicate we are there and not still at the pub. Press the white doorbell for access (the one marked basement) and someone will come up and open the door for you. After the talks we will usually stay in the meeting area for a while then head out back to The Old Ropewalk pub. If you have any difficulties finding the event, please call 07946404305 http://livlug.org.uk/ http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1776347/ -- Andrew Williams w: http://tensixtyone.com/ e: andy at tensixtyone.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Joe Foy wrote: > just spotted this page saying that you will be able to download a full > PDF of the latest edition of Linux Format from their servers for 24 > hours from midnight (GMT) tonight. > http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Wed Mar 4 13:13:21 2009 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:13:21 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] free Linux format PDF downloads In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903041313.09018.dh@iucr.org> On Tuesday 03 March 2009, Les Pritchard wrote: > Excellent, thanks Joe! > > Apologies, I did forget to bring those copies of Linux Format to the Tech > Meet. I'll bring them along to the next meet. > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Joe Foy wrote: > > just spotted this page saying that you will be able to download a full > > PDF of the latest edition of Linux Format from their servers for 24 > > hours from midnight (GMT) tonight. > > http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester This free download may also be of interest, the LInux starter pack 130 page guide http://www.tuxradar.com/linuxstarterpack Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From biglynchy at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 13:28:07 2009 From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:28:07 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] free Linux format PDF downloads In-Reply-To: <200903041313.09018.dh@iucr.org> References: <200903041313.09018.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: Wow I know a few people who'd really appreciate that starter pack, that is cool. I'll pass it on thanks :) Dan On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 1:13 PM, David Holden wrote: > On Tuesday 03 March 2009, Les Pritchard wrote: > > Excellent, thanks Joe! > > > > Apologies, I did forget to bring those copies of Linux Format to the Tech > > Meet. I'll bring them along to the next meet. > > > > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Joe Foy wrote: > > > just spotted this page saying that you will be able to download a full > > > PDF of the latest edition of Linux Format from their servers for 24 > > > hours from midnight (GMT) tonight. > > > > http://www.tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-free-download-24-hours-only > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chester mailing list > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > This free download may also be of interest, the LInux starter pack 130 page > guide > > http://www.tuxradar.com/linuxstarterpack > > Dave. > > > -- > Dr. David Holden. > > See: > regarding Word or PowerPoint. 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Ben 1: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/11/17/Bonnie-ZFS -- | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | From iamseawolf at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 21:56:41 2009 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:56:41 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Re-Format your server's hard drive from your iPhone? Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0903041356v19ed0e56s88bf43727dac2f4b@mail.gmail.com> I couldn't resist, given the fruity logo hovering around the last meet! Reading though the pile of LXF on my desk, #112's Dr Brown's Administeria had an article on TouchTerm. I can't vouch for anything as I don't have an iPhone so I'll leave it as it was straight from the horses mouth: "Anyone who who'd like to be able to securely administer their Linux servers from, say, Margate Beach (and who wouldn't?) might be interested in a piece of software called TouchTerm, which is basically an SSH client and terminal emulator for the Apple iPhone." "TouchTerm includes a direct port of the OpenSSL and OpnSSH software to the iPhone and offers RSA/DSA key-based authentication and public key distribution via e-mail. It also includes an emulator for a VT100 terminal." It's free in the App Store, according to the website. http://www.jbrink.net/touchterm/ Ben -- | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | From les.pritchard at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 22:07:34 2009 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:07:34 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Let's get really geeky about ZFS, bring on the maths. In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0903041355j58fd7827m4342bb170e56fe88@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0903041355j58fd7827m4342bb170e56fe88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Ben, I'd be interested in doing some testing time allowing. Yes ZFS on Linux isn't there in terms of performance yet unfortunately. But as I mentioned, if it's just acting as network storage it might be bearable....maybe? I was reading today that PC-BSD is using ZFS now so that could be another interesting experiment. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Ben Arnold wrote: > Anyone using ZFS along with another fs type care to do some Bonnie > tests or similar? A quick Google search gave some interesting > performance stats which seem to trade CPU for M/sec; it's userland so > it is to be expected? > > Just a quick thought, may prove to be *very* interesting should they > sort out the licensing! > > > Ben > > 1: http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/11/17/Bonnie-ZFS > > -- > | Ben Arnold | > | e-mail / msn / icq / web | > | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | > | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ah, there goes the USP of the Palm Treo 600 ;^) - Richard -- Richard Smedley PRINCE2 Project Management Sustainable 3rd Sector IT http://twitter.com/RichardSmedley http://GoodGNUs.org/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardsmedley http://identi.ca/richardsmedley/ From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 20:03:06 2009 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:03:06 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] A question re OS updates. Message-ID: At the moment, I am trying to get Oracle Unbreakable linux working. Apart from them being a bit silly in zipping up ISOs (I kid you not!) the major issue is updates. We do have a CSI login at work (A oracle support licence) but I thought anyone who distributed GPL stuff was obliged to allow you updates, ie get the packages up2date would otherwise install? Can anyone help me here. I am beginning to really really hate Oracle already. 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I am beginning to really really hate Oracle already. Any thoughts appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ Free photo editing software from Windows Live . Try it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665240/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iamseawolf at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 22:26:38 2009 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:26:38 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] A question re OS updates. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0903061426q33a5eeb1y7acf21a0005c6946@mail.gmail.com> Hi Stuart -- just scribbling this as a quick note rather than a full explanatons, from what I get from memory so don't expect much! 2009/3/6 Paul Williams : > If its GPL2, it should include source codes for the updates, but that (I > think) is the bare minimum that they are obliged to do. As I understand it, as long as it makes the source code & license available -- even on request -- and pass on any credits and rights that the originator/creator expressed (not imposing further restrictions), I think it's okay. The updates situation then just becomes one aspect of the quality of the software generally. The only checking I'm doing on this is a quick gander at Wikipedia though, that should be a sufficent enough disclaimer! > At the moment, I am trying to get Oracle Unbreakable linux working. Heh, 'Unbreakable' once you superglue it together and wrap it in cotton wool in a nuclear bunker... you get the jist. Hope it helps slightly, Ben -- | seawolf | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Sun Mar 8 22:48:48 2009 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 22:48:48 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Loosing my memory Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Just wondering if anyone can help me. I am building a new machine using a Intel quad core i7 920 @ 2.66 on a Gigabyte EX58-UD4P motherboard. However the memory is a bit of an issue. I want to add 16GB RAM. However, it seems you have to install memory modules in triples. For example, I cant put 16 in, but I can put 12 in. The next step is 24 GB. Am I right in my assumption ? 24 GB would cost a fortune. Cheers Stu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From movedx at googlemail.com Sun Mar 8 23:13:36 2009 From: movedx at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 23:13:36 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Loosing my memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 24 isn't a multiple of three? 24 can't be divided by 3 without a remainder? Unless I'm getting my maths wrong, which is likely. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Just wondering if anyone can help me. I am building a new machine using a > Intel quad core i7 920 @ 2.66 on a Gigabyte EX58-UD4P motherboard. However > the memory is a bit of an issue. > > I want to add 16GB RAM. However, it seems you have to install memory modules > in triples. For example, I cant put 16 in, but I can put 12 in. The next > step is 24 GB. Am I right in my assumption ? 24 GB would cost a fortune. > > Cheers > > Stu > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ From iamseawolf at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 10:17:15 2009 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:17:15 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Loosing my memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0903090317g5d00a7b8g5b3bc074f347ccfb@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/8 Michael Crilly : > 24 isn't a multiple of three? 24 can't be divided by 3 without a > remainder? Unless I'm getting my maths wrong, which is likely. Yeah... 8? > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Stuart Burns > wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Just wondering if anyone can help me. I am building a new machine using a >> Intel quad core i7 920 @ 2.66 on a Gigabyte EX58-UD4P motherboard. However >> the memory is a bit of an issue. >> >> I want to add 16GB RAM. However, it seems you have to install memory modules >> in triples. For example, I cant put 16 in, but I can put 12 in. The next >> step is 24 GB. Am I right in my assumption ? 24 GB would cost a fortune. >From http://www.kingston.com/europe/triplechannel/ : "If I have a triple channel platform, do I have to install memory in sets of three? Yes, if you want the system to run in triple channel mode. However, many of the new triple channel based motherboards allow the user to run their system in single, dual or triple channel mode. Please check this feature with your chosen motherboard manufacturer." "How should triple channel DDR3 based memory be installed? In order to take full advantage of a system running in triple channel mode, the memory modules should be installed or upgraded in sets of three identical modules (same speed and capacity). The modules in bank 1 do not need to be of the same capacity as the modules installed in bank 2. However, if identical speeds or capacities are not installed within a single bank, the system will automatically revert to single channel or dual channel operation, regardless of module configuration. Finally, each motherboard manufacturer has its own rules that apply to memory module configuration. We strongly recommend that you follow any instructions provided by individual motherboard or platform manufacturers." So it seems that you can't get away with it. Ben -- | seawolf | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 10:52:25 2009 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:52:25 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Loosing my memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well if you were to get 3 * 8 = 24, iirc 2009/3/8 Michael Crilly > 24 isn't a multiple of three? 24 can't be divided by 3 without a > remainder? Unless I'm getting my maths wrong, which is likely. > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Stuart Burns > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > Just wondering if anyone can help me. I am building a new machine using a > > Intel quad core i7 920 @ 2.66 on a Gigabyte EX58-UD4P motherboard. > However > > the memory is a bit of an issue. > > > > I want to add 16GB RAM. However, it seems you have to install memory > modules > > in triples. For example, I cant put 16 in, but I can put 12 in. The next > > step is 24 GB. Am I right in my assumption ? 24 GB would cost a fortune. > > > > Cheers > > > > Stu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > -- > M. T. Crilly > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From movedx at googlemail.com Mon Mar 9 11:29:56 2009 From: movedx at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:29:56 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Loosing my memory In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0903090317g5d00a7b8g5b3bc074f347ccfb@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0903090317g5d00a7b8g5b3bc074f347ccfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: But 8 isn't a multiple of three? :P On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Ben Arnold wrote: > 2009/3/8 Michael Crilly : >> 24 isn't a multiple of three? 24 can't be divided by 3 without a >> remainder? Unless I'm getting my maths wrong, which is likely. > > Yeah... 8? > >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Stuart Burns >> wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> Just wondering if anyone can help me. I am building a new machine using a >>> Intel quad core i7 920 @ 2.66 on a Gigabyte EX58-UD4P motherboard. However >>> the memory is a bit of an issue. >>> >>> I want to add 16GB RAM. However, it seems you have to install memory modules >>> in triples. For example, I cant put 16 in, but I can put 12 in. The next >>> step is 24 GB. Am I right in my assumption ? 24 GB would cost a fortune. > > From http://www.kingston.com/europe/triplechannel/ : > "If I have a triple channel platform, do I have to install memory in > sets of three? > > Yes, if you want the system to run in triple channel mode. However, > many of the new triple channel based motherboards allow the user to > run their system in single, dual or triple channel mode. Please check > this feature with your chosen motherboard manufacturer." > > "How should triple channel DDR3 based memory be installed? > > In order to take full advantage of a system running in triple channel > mode, the memory modules should be installed or upgraded in sets of > three identical modules (same speed and capacity). > > The modules in bank 1 do not need to be of the same capacity as the > modules installed in bank 2. However, if identical speeds or > capacities are not installed within a single bank, the system will > automatically revert to single channel or dual channel operation, > regardless of module configuration. > > Finally, each motherboard manufacturer has its own rules that apply to > memory module configuration. We strongly recommend that you follow any > instructions provided by individual motherboard or platform > manufacturers." > > > So it seems that you can't get away with it. > > Ben > > -- > |             seawolf             | > |           Ben  Arnold           | > |    e-mail / msn / icq / web     | > | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | > | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | > - Show quoted text - > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ From movedx at googlemail.com Mon Mar 9 11:30:45 2009 From: movedx at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:30:45 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Loosing my memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can buy 8GB DDR3 sticks? Nice... and expensive. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Stuart Burns wrote: >  Well if you were to get 3 * 8 = 24, iirc > > 2009/3/8 Michael Crilly >> >> 24 isn't a multiple of three? 24 can't be divided by 3 without a >> - Show quoted text - >> remainder? Unless I'm getting my maths wrong, which is likely. >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Stuart Burns >> wrote: >> > Hi Everyone, >> > >> > Just wondering if anyone can help me. I am building a new machine using >> > a >> > Intel quad core i7 920 @ 2.66 on a Gigabyte EX58-UD4P motherboard. >> > However >> > the memory is a bit of an issue. >> > >> > I want to add 16GB RAM. However, it seems you have to install memory >> > modules >> > in triples. For example, I cant put 16 in, but I can put 12 in. The next >> > step is 24 GB. Am I right in my assumption ? 24 GB would cost a fortune. >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > Stu >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chester mailing list >> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> M. T. Crilly >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Mon Mar 9 13:09:14 2009 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 13:09:14 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Loosing my memory In-Reply-To: References: <9c3bfa1d0903090317g5d00a7b8g5b3bc074f347ccfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: but 24 is a multiple of both 3 and 8! > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:29:49 +0000 > From: movedx at googlemail.com > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Loosing my memory > > But 8 isn't a multiple of three? :P > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Ben Arnold wrote: > > 2009/3/8 Michael Crilly : > >> 24 isn't a multiple of three? 24 can't be divided by 3 without a > >> remainder? Unless I'm getting my maths wrong, which is likely. > > > > Yeah... 8? > > > >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Stuart Burns > >> wrote: > >>> Hi Everyone, > >>> > >>> Just wondering if anyone can help me. I am building a new machine using a > >>> Intel quad core i7 920 @ 2.66 on a Gigabyte EX58-UD4P motherboard. However > >>> the memory is a bit of an issue. > >>> > >>> I want to add 16GB RAM. However, it seems you have to install memory modules > >>> in triples. For example, I cant put 16 in, but I can put 12 in. The next > >>> step is 24 GB. Am I right in my assumption ? 24 GB would cost a fortune. > > > > From http://www.kingston.com/europe/triplechannel/ : > > "If I have a triple channel platform, do I have to install memory in > > sets of three? > > > > Yes, if you want the system to run in triple channel mode. However, > > many of the new triple channel based motherboards allow the user to > > run their system in single, dual or triple channel mode. Please check > > this feature with your chosen motherboard manufacturer." > > > > "How should triple channel DDR3 based memory be installed? > > > > In order to take full advantage of a system running in triple channel > > mode, the memory modules should be installed or upgraded in sets of > > three identical modules (same speed and capacity). > > > > The modules in bank 1 do not need to be of the same capacity as the > > modules installed in bank 2. However, if identical speeds or > > capacities are not installed within a single bank, the system will > > automatically revert to single channel or dual channel operation, > > regardless of module configuration. > > > > Finally, each motherboard manufacturer has its own rules that apply to > > memory module configuration. We strongly recommend that you follow any > > instructions provided by individual motherboard or platform > > manufacturers." > > > > > > So it seems that you can't get away with it. > > > > Ben > > > > -- > > | seawolf | > > | Ben Arnold | > > | e-mail / msn / icq / web | > > | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | > > | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | > > - Show quoted text - > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > -- > M. T. Crilly > http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester _________________________________________________________________ 25GB of FREE Online Storage – Find out more http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665320/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From movedx at googlemail.com Mon Mar 9 19:40:58 2009 From: movedx at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:40:58 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Loosing my memory In-Reply-To: References: <9c3bfa1d0903090317g5d00a7b8g5b3bc074f347ccfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: lol told my maths was bad ;) but I didn't think the RAM worked liked that. 24GB of DDR3 is going to cost a lot jesus On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > but 24 is a multiple of both 3 and 8! > >> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:29:49 +0000 >> From: movedx at googlemail.com >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Loosing my memory > - Show quoted text - >> >> But 8 isn't a multiple of three? :P >> >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Ben Arnold wrote: >> > 2009/3/8 Michael Crilly : >> >> 24 isn't a multiple of three? 24 can't be divided by 3 without a >> >> remainder? Unless I'm getting my maths wrong, which is likely. >> > >> > Yeah... 8? >> > >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Stuart Burns >> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone, >> >>> >> >>> Just wondering if anyone can help me. I am building a new machine >> >>> using a >> >>> Intel quad core i7 920 @ 2.66 on a Gigabyte EX58-UD4P motherboard. >> >>> However >> >>> the memory is a bit of an issue. >> >>> >> >>> I want to add 16GB RAM. However, it seems you have to install memory >> >>> modules >> >>> in triples. For example, I cant put 16 in, but I can put 12 in. The >> >>> next >> >>> step is 24 GB. Am I right in my assumption ? 24 GB would cost a >> >>> fortune. >> > >> > From http://www.kingston.com/europe/triplechannel/ : >> > "If I have a triple channel platform, do I have to install memory in >> > sets of three? >> > >> > Yes, if you want the system to run in triple channel mode. However, >> > many of the new triple channel based motherboards allow the user to >> > run their system in single, dual or triple channel mode. Please check >> > this feature with your chosen motherboard manufacturer." >> > >> > "How should triple channel DDR3 based memory be installed? >> > >> > In order to take full advantage of a system running in triple channel >> > mode, the memory modules should be installed or upgraded in sets of >> > three identical modules (same speed and capacity). >> > >> > The modules in bank 1 do not need to be of the same capacity as the >> > modules installed in bank 2. However, if identical speeds or >> > capacities are not installed within a single bank, the system will >> > automatically revert to single channel or dual channel operation, >> > regardless of module configuration. >> > >> > Finally, each motherboard manufacturer has its own rules that apply to >> > memory module configuration. We strongly recommend that you follow any >> > instructions provided by individual motherboard or platform >> > manufacturers." >> > >> > >> > So it seems that you can't get away with it. >> > >> > Ben >> > >> > -- >> > |             seawolf             | >> > |           Ben  Arnold           | >> > |    e-mail / msn / icq / web     | >> > | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | >> > | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | >> > - Show quoted text - >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chester mailing list >> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> M. T. Crilly >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > ________________________________ > Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. Try it Now! > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 22:49:03 2009 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:49:03 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Loosing my memory In-Reply-To: References: <9c3bfa1d0903090317g5d00a7b8g5b3bc074f347ccfb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well yeah, 24GB cost is measured in £x,xxx but 12 GB is a more reasonable £450. However if you want 24 you can double up, so a mere £950! ;) 2009/3/9 Michael Crilly > lol told my maths was bad ;) > > but I didn't think the RAM worked liked that. 24GB of DDR3 is going to > cost a lot jesus > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Paul Williams > wrote: > > but 24 is a multiple of both 3 and 8! > > > >> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:29:49 +0000 > >> From: movedx at googlemail.com > >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Loosing my memory > > - Show quoted text - > >> > >> But 8 isn't a multiple of three? :P > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Ben Arnold > wrote: > >> > 2009/3/8 Michael Crilly : > >> >> 24 isn't a multiple of three? 24 can't be divided by 3 without a > >> >> remainder? Unless I'm getting my maths wrong, which is likely. > >> > > >> > Yeah... 8? > >> > > >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Stuart Burns > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> Hi Everyone, > >> >>> > >> >>> Just wondering if anyone can help me. I am building a new machine > >> >>> using a > >> >>> Intel quad core i7 920 @ 2.66 on a Gigabyte EX58-UD4P motherboard. > >> >>> However > >> >>> the memory is a bit of an issue. > >> >>> > >> >>> I want to add 16GB RAM. However, it seems you have to install memory > >> >>> modules > >> >>> in triples. For example, I cant put 16 in, but I can put 12 in. The > >> >>> next > >> >>> step is 24 GB. Am I right in my assumption ? 24 GB would cost a > >> >>> fortune. > >> > > >> > From http://www.kingston.com/europe/triplechannel/ : > >> > "If I have a triple channel platform, do I have to install memory in > >> > sets of three? > >> > > >> > Yes, if you want the system to run in triple channel mode. However, > >> > many of the new triple channel based motherboards allow the user to > >> > run their system in single, dual or triple channel mode. Please check > >> > this feature with your chosen motherboard manufacturer." > >> > > >> > "How should triple channel DDR3 based memory be installed? > >> > > >> > In order to take full advantage of a system running in triple channel > >> > mode, the memory modules should be installed or upgraded in sets of > >> > three identical modules (same speed and capacity). > >> > > >> > The modules in bank 1 do not need to be of the same capacity as the > >> > modules installed in bank 2. However, if identical speeds or > >> > capacities are not installed within a single bank, the system will > >> > automatically revert to single channel or dual channel operation, > >> > regardless of module configuration. > >> > > >> > Finally, each motherboard manufacturer has its own rules that apply to > >> > memory module configuration. We strongly recommend that you follow any > >> > instructions provided by individual motherboard or platform > >> > manufacturers." > >> > > >> > > >> > So it seems that you can't get away with it. > >> > > >> > Ben > >> > > >> > -- > >> > | seawolf | > >> > | Ben Arnold | > >> > | e-mail / msn / icq / web | > >> > | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | > >> > | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | > >> > - Show quoted text - > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Chester mailing list > >> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> M. T. Crilly > >> http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chester mailing list > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > ________________________________ > > Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. 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I'd like to have a play around with them :) Cheers Dan On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Les Pritchard wrote: > After hearing about the SheevaPlug courtesy of Linux Outlaws I just saw > this product based on the device: > > http://www.pogoplug.com/ > > I wonder if this could spark a craze of similar mini devices similar to the > Netbooks one. I'm trying to get some information from SheevaPlug on > availability in the UK as I have a few ideas of how it could be used. > > Les > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Tue Mar 24 18:25:13 2009 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:25:13 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Career change Message-ID: I have been advised to leave teaching. The fact is that I cost too much. My salary is protected by law, so I can't lower it. Problem is there is nothing to force schools to consider employing me despite the cost. I cost about £10k more than a newly qualified teacher. So I'm not getting a look in. A school can employ me, or a NQT and a teaching assistant. So... Career change time. Does anyone know of any entry level jobs in IT for someone with 10 years experience (user rather than job related) using computers, with a degree, but no IT qualifications other than ECDL? Cheers Paul _________________________________________________________________ Free photo editing software from Windows Live . Try it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665240/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Problem is there is nothing to force schools to consider > employing me despite the cost. > > I cost about £10k more than a newly qualified teacher. So I'm not getting > a look in. > > A school can employ me, or a NQT and a teaching assistant. > > So... Career change time. > > Does anyone know of any entry level jobs in IT for someone with 10 years > experience (user rather than job related) using computers, with a degree, > but no IT qualifications other than ECDL? > > > Cheers > > Paul > > ------------------------------ > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > even happen to know that (don't all wince at once;) West Cheshire College do > a Microsoft Certified Trainer course, in the evenings. > > Also Linux training is a big area. We recently went on a private Solaris > course organised through a uni, and I think the trainer easily netted a > couple of grand for a weeks work. > > As I say, just a thought! > > 2009/3/24 Paul Williams > >> I have been advised to leave teaching. >> >> The fact is that I cost too much. My salary is protected by law, so I >> can't lower it. Problem is there is nothing to force schools to consider >> employing me despite the cost. >> >> I cost about £10k more than a newly qualified teacher. So I'm not getting >> a look in. >> >> A school can employ me, or a NQT and a teaching assistant. >> >> So... Career change time. >> >> Does anyone know of any entry level jobs in IT for someone with 10 years >> experience (user rather than job related) using computers, with a degree, >> but no IT qualifications other than ECDL? >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Paul >> >> ------------------------------ >> Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Tue Mar 24 20:57:57 2009 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:57:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Career change In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: cheers guys. I have taught ICT before. Problem is I never bothered with vista (so out of date with windows) and not skilled enough to train anyone on linux. I would probably be looking more at a trainee techie post to start off to broaden my skill base. Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:43:46 +0000 From: biglynchy at gmail.com To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Career change That sounds like a great idea, there are always stories on the news it seems about the lack of trained IT professionals and how this skills gap needs to be filled. Someone will have to train them. Could be a winner. I'm afraid I don't know of any IT jobs personally that I can recommend, I'm about as much use as a chocolate teapot in this case but I wish you the very best of luck in your search. Hope you find something that suits you very soon. Good luck!! :) Dan 2009/3/24 Stuart Burns Hiya, Just as a thought, if your a people person, why not look to IT Training ? From what I hear (one of my friends does training) it can be good money. I even happen to know that (don't all wince at once;) West Cheshire College do a Microsoft Certified Trainer course, in the evenings. Also Linux training is a big area. We recently went on a private Solaris course organised through a uni, and I think the trainer easily netted a couple of grand for a weeks work. As I say, just a thought! 2009/3/24 Paul Williams I have been advised to leave teaching. The fact is that I cost too much. My salary is protected by law, so I can't lower it. Problem is there is nothing to force schools to consider employing me despite the cost. I cost about £10k more than a newly qualified teacher. So I'm not getting a look in. A school can employ me, or a NQT and a teaching assistant. So... Career change time. 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Anyway good luck and all the best! > > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:43:46 +0000 > From: biglynchy at gmail.com > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Career change > > That sounds like a great idea, there are always stories on the news it > seems about the lack of trained IT professionals and how this skills gap > needs to be filled. Someone will have to train them. Could be a winner. > > > I'm afraid I don't know of any IT jobs personally that I can recommend, I'm > about as much use as a chocolate teapot in this case but I wish you the > very best of luck in your search. Hope you find something that suits you > very soon. > > > Good luck!! :) > > Dan > > 2009/3/24 Stuart Burns > > Hiya, > > Just as a thought, if your a people person, why not look to IT Training ? > From what I hear (one of my friends does training) it can be good money. I > even happen to know that (don't all wince at once;) West Cheshire College > do a Microsoft Certified Trainer course, in the evenings. > > > > Also Linux training is a big area. We recently went on a private Solaris > course organised through a uni, and I think the trainer easily netted a > couple of grand for a weeks work. > > As I say, just a thought! > > > > 2009/3/24 Paul Williams > > > > > > > > I have been advised to leave teaching. > > The fact is that I cost too much. My salary is protected by law, so I > can't lower it. Problem is there is nothing to force schools to consider > employing me despite the cost. > > > > I cost about £10k more than a newly qualified teacher. So I'm not getting > a look in. > > A school can employ me, or a NQT and a teaching assistant. > > So... Career change time. > > Does anyone know of any entry level jobs in IT for someone with 10 years > experience (user rather than job related) using computers, with a degree, > but no IT qualifications other than ECDL? > > > > > Cheers > > Paul > > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. 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I was head and shoulders above some of the programmers there with no commercial experience, no computer quals. and 8 useless GCSEs. In fact, even some programmers I speak to now who work in the industry don't understand things like Seperation of Concerns, Dependency Injection, Aspect Orientated programming, Domain Driven Design, etc. As far as most of the GOOD programmers I know, these are basic concepts. Just goes to show you what you can find in the work place earning £22k+ by blagging their way by :) You're an intelligent bloke Paul, so as David said, sell your self and add some icing on the cake :) On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:31 AM, David Holden wrote: > On Tuesday 24 March 2009, Paul Williams wrote: >> cheers guys.  I have taught ICT before.  Problem is I never bothered with >> vista (so out of date with windows) and not skilled enough to train anyone >> on linux. >> >> I would probably be looking more at a trainee techie post to start off to >> broaden my skill base. > > > One thing I'll add is try not sell yourself short, I find this hard since my > cautious nature means I always do this, but I can't tell you how many times > I've met people doing jobs that they clearly have no clue about . Someone > with a bit of enthusiasm is already ahead of the game, so I'd try > and "oversell" yourself because I guarantee there will be people with less > gumption bluffing it. > > Anyway good luck and all the best! > > >> >> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:43:46 +0000 >> From: biglynchy at gmail.com >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Career change >> >> That sounds like a great idea, there are always stories on the news it >> seems about the lack of trained IT professionals and how this skills gap >> needs to be filled. Someone will have to train them. Could be a winner. >> >> >> I'm afraid I don't know of any IT jobs personally that I can recommend, I'm >> about as much use as a chocolate teapot in this case but I wish you the >> very best of luck in your search. Hope you find something that suits you >> very soon. >> >> >> Good luck!! :) >> >> Dan >> >> 2009/3/24 Stuart Burns >> >> Hiya, >> >> Just as a thought, if your a people person, why not look to IT Training ? >> From what I hear (one of my friends does training) it can be good money. I >> even happen to know that (don't all wince at once;) West Cheshire College >> do a Microsoft Certified Trainer course, in the evenings. >> >> >> >> Also Linux training is a big area. We recently went on a private Solaris >> course organised through a uni, and I think the trainer easily netted a >> couple of grand for a weeks work. >> >> As I say, just a thought! >> >> >> >> 2009/3/24 Paul Williams >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have been advised to leave teaching. >> >> The fact is that I cost too much.  My salary is protected by law, so I >> can't lower it.  Problem is there is nothing to force schools to consider >> employing me despite the cost. >> >> >> >> I cost about £10k more than a newly qualified teacher.  So I'm not getting >> a look in. >> >> A school can employ me, or a NQT and a teaching assistant. >> >> So...  Career change time. >> >> Does anyone know of any entry level jobs in IT for someone with 10 years >> experience (user rather than job related) using computers, with a degree, >> but no IT qualifications other than ECDL? >> >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Paul >> >> Windows Live Messenger just got better.  Find out more! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chester mailing list >> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chester mailing list >> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ > > > > -- > Dr. David Holden. > > See: > regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Wed Mar 25 17:03:08 2009 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:03:08 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Career change In-Reply-To: References: <200903250931.28949.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: Cheers again guys. I'm going for some careers advice first day off - tuesday. We'll see what jobs are up for grabs. > Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:46:48 +0000 > From: movedx at googlemail.com > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Career change > > I agree with David on this one. > > A friend of mine used to work for a comparison website as a > programmer. After I told him I wanted to go into programming, he > advised I applied to the same company as they're looking for junior > programmers at the moment. He went on to add that some of the > programmers that had been there for a year or more, didn't know what a > class property was; didn't understand the four basic principles of OOP > and in some cases, didn't know what OOP was... and some of these > people had Comp. Sci. degrees? Also, the website is ASP.NET based, so > knowing what OOP is is pretty essential to the job. I was head and > shoulders above some of the programmers there with no commercial > experience, no computer quals. and 8 useless GCSEs. > > In fact, even some programmers I speak to now who work in the industry > don't understand things like Seperation of Concerns, Dependency > Injection, Aspect Orientated programming, Domain Driven Design, etc. > As far as most of the GOOD programmers I know, these are basic > concepts. > > Just goes to show you what you can find in the work place earning > £22k+ by blagging their way by :) > > You're an intelligent bloke Paul, so as David said, sell your self and > add some icing on the cake :) > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:31 AM, David Holden wrote: > > On Tuesday 24 March 2009, Paul Williams wrote: > >> cheers guys. I have taught ICT before. Problem is I never bothered with > >> vista (so out of date with windows) and not skilled enough to train anyone > >> on linux. > >> > >> I would probably be looking more at a trainee techie post to start off to > >> broaden my skill base. > > > > > > One thing I'll add is try not sell yourself short, I find this hard since my > > cautious nature means I always do this, but I can't tell you how many times > > I've met people doing jobs that they clearly have no clue about . Someone > > with a bit of enthusiasm is already ahead of the game, so I'd try > > and "oversell" yourself because I guarantee there will be people with less > > gumption bluffing it. > > > > Anyway good luck and all the best! > > > > > >> > >> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:43:46 +0000 > >> From: biglynchy at gmail.com > >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Career change > >> > >> That sounds like a great idea, there are always stories on the news it > >> seems about the lack of trained IT professionals and how this skills gap > >> needs to be filled. Someone will have to train them. Could be a winner. > >> > >> > >> I'm afraid I don't know of any IT jobs personally that I can recommend, I'm > >> about as much use as a chocolate teapot in this case but I wish you the > >> very best of luck in your search. Hope you find something that suits you > >> very soon. > >> > >> > >> Good luck!! :) > >> > >> Dan > >> > >> 2009/3/24 Stuart Burns > >> > >> Hiya, > >> > >> Just as a thought, if your a people person, why not look to IT Training ? > >> From what I hear (one of my friends does training) it can be good money. I > >> even happen to know that (don't all wince at once;) West Cheshire College > >> do a Microsoft Certified Trainer course, in the evenings. > >> > >> > >> > >> Also Linux training is a big area. We recently went on a private Solaris > >> course organised through a uni, and I think the trainer easily netted a > >> couple of grand for a weeks work. > >> > >> As I say, just a thought! > >> > >> > >> > >> 2009/3/24 Paul Williams > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I have been advised to leave teaching. > >> > >> The fact is that I cost too much. My salary is protected by law, so I > >> can't lower it. Problem is there is nothing to force schools to consider > >> employing me despite the cost. > >> > >> > >> > >> I cost about £10k more than a newly qualified teacher. So I'm not getting > >> a look in. > >> > >> A school can employ me, or a NQT and a teaching assistant. > >> > >> So... Career change time. > >> > >> Does anyone know of any entry level jobs in IT for someone with 10 years > >> experience (user rather than job related) using computers, with a degree, > >> but no IT qualifications other than ECDL? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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Have to content myself with dinosaurs (natural history museum, > > not houses of parliament!) > > See if you can find any stuffed penguins there in honor of the day ;) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iamseawolf at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 19:25:20 2009 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:25:20 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG Social Tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0903261225y4ed99078h92f8e1969d02401e@mail.gmail.com> Hey -- As you may have noticed I'm not at the meet tonight as I had a small hiccup with my uni website project (i.e. it didn't bloomin' work) that I have only just fixed. My paranoia has now kicked in and i'm now testing every nook and cranny of the site! To compound my woes, my bank balance isn't withstanding my social butterfly lifestyle (close enough) so I'll have to give this one a miss. Hope you all have a good'un though and I'll see you next month for sure. Cheers, Ben (: 2009/3/25 Les Pritchard : > Hi all, > > Sorry for the late reminder but I don't think I've stopped all month! > Anyway, the next social meet is tomorrow evening at the Old King's Head from > 7pm.  I'm at another event earlier on in the evening so I'll see you all > there a bit later. > > Les > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- | seawolf | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | From movedx at googlemail.com Wed Mar 25 23:50:56 2009 From: movedx at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:50:56 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG Social Tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sadly, I'm in work and will not be able to attend (so you'll lose you're maths expert for the evening *fnar*) Have a good time dudes. 2009/3/25 Les Pritchard : > Hi all, > > Sorry for the late reminder but I don't think I've stopped all month! > Anyway, the next social meet is tomorrow evening at the Old King's Head from > 7pm.  I'm at another event earlier on in the evening so I'll see you all > there a bit later. > > Les > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ From movedx at googlemail.com Thu Mar 26 19:49:20 2009 From: movedx at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:49:20 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG Social Tomorrow In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0903261225y4ed99078h92f8e1969d02401e@mail.gmail.com> References: <9c3bfa1d0903261225y4ed99078h92f8e1969d02401e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Pff! Students and their dodgy coding skills ;-) When I was a lad, we had to code our web sites by hand... literally. I had to directly write the physical bytes to the disc platters. You've got it good son shine! *cheeky grin* On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Ben Arnold wrote: > Hey -- > > As you may have noticed I'm not at the meet tonight as I had a small > hiccup with my uni website project (i.e. it didn't bloomin' work) that > I have only just fixed. My paranoia has now kicked in and i'm now > testing every nook and cranny of the site! To compound my woes, my > bank balance isn't withstanding my social butterfly lifestyle (close > enough) so I'll have to give this one a miss. > > Hope you all have a good'un though and I'll see you next month for sure. > > Cheers, > Ben (: > > > 2009/3/25 Les Pritchard : >> Hi all, >> >> Sorry for the late reminder but I don't think I've stopped all month! >> Anyway, the next social meet is tomorrow evening at the Old King's Head from >> 7pm.  I'm at another event earlier on in the evening so I'll see you all >> there a bit later. >> >> Les >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > > > -- > |             seawolf             | > |           Ben  Arnold           | > |    e-mail / msn / icq / web     | > | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | > | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- M. T. Crilly http://www.mcrilly.co.uk/ From les.pritchard at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 09:41:42 2009 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:41:42 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Install Fest Message-ID: Hi all, The idea of running an Install Fest has been mentioned a couple of times at the LUG (including last night). I think it could be a great idea to hold something where we can demo Linux to people and between us I'm sure we have enough laptops running completely different versions / looks to please most people! As I'm on the local BCS committee I've put forward the idea of them sponsoring (i.e. proving some food!) and promoting the event for us. I suspect the University could be a good venue for this. So could I get some feedback from people who'd like to help out on the day and maybe do some demos? Talking about it at the social last night I wondered if it would be worth hanging on for the latest Ubuntu to see if we could get some freebie disks from them. 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Specifically, an afternoon of Netbook installs, as there are a lot of new GNU/Linux users thanks to Netbooks, and many are curious about Ubuntu netbook re-mix & all the rest, but would like a friendly face to walk them through it :-) - Richard -- Richard Smedley PRINCE2 Project Management Sustainable 3rd Sector IT http://twitter.com/RichardSmedley http://GoodGNUs.org/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardsmedley http://identi.ca/richardsmedley/ From les.pritchard at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 12:36:32 2009 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:36:32 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Open Source for Business talk Message-ID: The BCS event I mentioned last night: Dear member, Please find enclosed notice of a forthcoming joint meeting organised by the Chester & North Wales and Manchester branches of the British Computer Society. Open Source software has risen to prominence in the last decade. This talk will examine the relevance of open source to business from two perspectives -- how can businesses use open source software for their everyday operations, and how are people building sustainable businesses by "giving away" the software they develop? To do this, the talk will provide a background of what Open Source software is and how it differs from proprietary software. It will then discuss the values and business models applying to Open Source development, the range of Open Source software which is now available, and the benefits and risks of using Open Source software. The speaker, Dr Graham Oakes, is a member of the committee of the BCS Open Source Specialist Group. As an independent consultant, he helps organisations to untangle complex technology, processes, relationships and governance. His book "Project Reviews, Assurance and Governance" was published by Gower in October 2008. The talk will begin at 6:30pm on the 1st of April 2009, with sandwiches and tea/coffee available from 6:00pm. The talk will be held in the Birchwood Conference Centre in Warrington (see http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=WA3+6YNfor directions) Admission is free, and open to non-members, but please register your interest (if possible before the 27th of March) so that we may order the sandwiches etc. e-mail to events-cnw at bcs.org.uk. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Fri Mar 27 12:43:58 2009 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:43:58 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Install Fest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903271243.52116.dh@iucr.org> On Friday 27 March 2009, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > > The idea of running an Install Fest has been mentioned a couple of times at > the LUG (including last night). I think it could be a great idea to hold > something where we can demo Linux to people and between us I'm sure we have > enough laptops running completely different versions / looks to please most > people! > > As I'm on the local BCS committee I've put forward the idea of them > sponsoring (i.e. proving some food!) and promoting the event for us. I > suspect the University could be a good venue for this. So could I get some > feedback from people who'd like to help out on the day and maybe do some > demos? > > Talking about it at the social last night I wondered if it would be worth > hanging on for the latest Ubuntu to see if we could get some freebie disks > from them. > > Les Sorry I didn't make it last night, this sounds like a good idea, it may be worth taking a copy of virtualbox on a USB so that people can try Linux on their windows machines if they don't want to repartition etc. Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From les.pritchard at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 12:49:30 2009 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:49:30 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Install Fest In-Reply-To: References: <200903271243.52116.dh@iucr.org> Message-ID: That's an excellent idea, a bit more permenant than a live cd. On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Les Pritchard wrote: > That's an excellent idea, a bit more permenant than a live cd. > > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 12:43 PM, David Holden wrote: > >> On Friday 27 March 2009, Les Pritchard wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > The idea of running an Install Fest has been mentioned a couple of times >> at >> > the LUG (including last night). I think it could be a great idea to >> hold >> > something where we can demo Linux to people and between us I'm sure we >> have >> > enough laptops running completely different versions / looks to please >> most >> > people! >> > >> > As I'm on the local BCS committee I've put forward the idea of them >> > sponsoring (i.e. proving some food!) and promoting the event for us. I >> > suspect the University could be a good venue for this. So could I get >> some >> > feedback from people who'd like to help out on the day and maybe do some >> > demos? >> > >> > Talking about it at the social last night I wondered if it would be >> worth >> > hanging on for the latest Ubuntu to see if we could get some freebie >> disks >> > from them. >> > >> > Les >> >> Sorry I didn't make it last night, this sounds like a good idea, it may be >> worth taking a copy of virtualbox on a USB so that people can try Linux on >> their windows machines if they don't want to repartition etc. >> >> Dave. >> >> >> -- >> Dr. David Holden. >> >> See: >> regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it could be a great > > idea to hold something where we can demo Linux to people and between > > us I'm sure we have enough laptops running completely different > > versions / looks to please most people! > > Happy coincidence :-) we've just been discussing something > similar at Liverpool LUG. Specifically, an afternoon of > Netbook installs, as there are a lot of new GNU/Linux users > thanks to Netbooks, and many are curious about Ubuntu netbook > re-mix & all the rest, but would like a friendly face to > walk them through it :-) > > - Richard > > -- > Richard Smedley PRINCE2 Project Management > Sustainable 3rd Sector IT > http://twitter.com/RichardSmedley http://GoodGNUs.org/ > http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardsmedley > http://identi.ca/richardsmedley/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 12:59:07 2009 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:59:07 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Retro computing... Message-ID: If you fancy a retro evening: http://www.wrexhamsf.com/en/Publictalksshows/HomeComputingin1985/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From biglynchy at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 14:02:21 2009 From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:02:21 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Install Fest In-Reply-To: References: <1238154674.3641.1178.camel@GNUpad> Message-ID: I think an install fest event at the University would be perfect. I'm happy to help promote it in any way I can and also help with demos if needed. I think waiting till after the Jaunty release and asking Canonical to ship us a box CDs is a very good idea. They will do that I believe if you present a proposal to them of how you will distribute them, I could check up with Popey and some of the UK Loco team. I don't know the finer details of it. Manchester Free Software are holding a Jaunty release party at the BBC Manchester bar 7pm on Friday 24th April. I'll be going along to if anyone fancies it? There's information on Facebook, not exactly open source but I suppose you have to go where the poeple are - http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/event.php?eid=57794318229&ref=mf I would say probably May makes sense for this event in Chester then, with the Jaunty CDs but I don't mind really. Happy to go with the consensus. With regard to Liverpool LUG and events, I've been talking to some people from Sound Network in the city about organizing another Open Source City event one weekend later in the year. Probably October. It's all in it's infancy at the moment but obviously we'd like to get as many people involved as possible. Manchester Free Software are already interested. I think we could easily get 100 people to attend and some of them stay over, get some interesting speakers, maybe have hardware hack sessions as well. The guys in charge are very interested in Arduino and making things. The netbook idea could tie in if that's not too late in the year for you. There would hopefully be some live music and a party in the evening. We'd need sponsors. Nothing has been set in stone yet, it hasn't even been penciled in, we're really just discussing ideas but it wouldn't be for 6 months or so anyway. An install fest in Chester before that wouldn't clash at all I don't think and we could probably get a good few people along. There are a lot of like-minded groups in the North West it seems all thinking about events. It's great to see. I'm happy to help out with all of them in any way I can :) Dan 2009/3/27 Les Pritchard > That's interesting to hear. Yes the netbooks have really introduced a lot > of people to it, although wasn't that some stats released the other week > that the share of linux on netbooks has declined? It did say that the share > of linux in the server market has increased. > > Let us know if Liverpool LUG has any good ideas for an event like this. > > Les > > > On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Richard Smedley < > smedley358 at btinternet.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 09:41 +0000, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >> > The idea of running an Install Fest has been mentioned a couple of >> > times at the LUG (including last night). I think it could be a great >> > idea to hold something where we can demo Linux to people and between >> > us I'm sure we have enough laptops running completely different >> > versions / looks to please most people! >> >> Happy coincidence :-) we've just been discussing something >> similar at Liverpool LUG. Specifically, an afternoon of >> Netbook installs, as there are a lot of new GNU/Linux users >> thanks to Netbooks, and many are curious about Ubuntu netbook >> re-mix & all the rest, but would like a friendly face to >> walk them through it :-) >> >> - Richard >> >> -- >> Richard Smedley PRINCE2 Project Management >> Sustainable 3rd Sector IT >> http://twitter.com/RichardSmedley http://GoodGNUs.org/ >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardsmedley >> http://identi.ca/richardsmedley/ >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iamseawolf at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 22:43:42 2009 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:43:42 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Install Fest In-Reply-To: References: <1238154674.3641.1178.camel@GNUpad> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0903271543y50c6186ap2f2aa1b42afd61ae@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/27 Dan Lynch : > There are a lot of like-minded groups in the North West it seems all > thinking about events. It's great to see. I'm happy to help out with all of > them in any way I can :) +1. Think it may be good for the unity of local LUGs to hold them in succession, so any material can state them all (Liverpool 18th : Chester 24th etc) and show alternative dates if someone twixt places can't attend one they see. Asides from exams and all, I'd happily be at Chester's or Liverpool's for the day. I'm snooping on their list and will eventually drop them a message and sometime get round there! Hmm... even Wrexham could get involved... (: B -- | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | From smedley358 at btinternet.com Sat Mar 28 00:19:00 2009 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:19:00 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Open Source for Business talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1238199529.3641.4051.camel@GNUpad> On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 12:36 +0000, Les Pritchard wrote: > The BCS event I mentioned last night: > The talk will begin at 6:30pm on the 1st of April 2009, I'd have liked to have gone along, to back up the case for Free Software businesses, but unfortunately it clashes with the "Small Steps to Sustainability" workshop on Low Carbon Computing, at Liverpool's FACT gallery [1] - and I can't get out of that [2] :-/ What's a typical BCS attendee like up here, btw? - Richard [1] [2] http://goodgnus.org/small-steps -- Richard Smedley PRINCE2 Project Management Sustainable 3rd Sector IT http://twitter.com/RichardSmedley http://GoodGNUs.org/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardsmedley http://identi.ca/richardsmedley/ From smedley358 at btinternet.com Sat Mar 28 00:21:56 2009 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:21:56 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Install Fest In-Reply-To: <9c3bfa1d0903271543y50c6186ap2f2aa1b42afd61ae@mail.gmail.com> References: <1238154674.3641.1178.camel@GNUpad> <9c3bfa1d0903271543y50c6186ap2f2aa1b42afd61ae@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1238199706.3641.4066.camel@GNUpad> On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 22:43 +0000, Ben Arnold wrote: > 2009/3/27 Dan Lynch : > > There are a lot of like-minded groups in the North West it seems all > > thinking about events. It's great to see. I'm happy to help out with all of > > them in any way I can :) > +1. Think it may be good for the unity of local LUGs to hold them in > succession, so any material can state them all (Liverpool 18th : > Chester 24th etc) and show alternative dates if someone twixt places > can't attend one they see. Good idea - we definitely need more co-operation between groups. Perhaps Manchester Free Software group would like to get involved, too? > Asides from exams and all, I'd happily be at Chester's or Liverpool's > for the day. I'm snooping on their list and will eventually drop them > a message and sometime get round there! Hmm... even Wrexham could get > involved... (: Are you on the Wrecsam / Powys LUG list? The more the merrier :-) - Richard -- Richard Smedley PRINCE2 Project Management Sustainable 3rd Sector IT http://twitter.com/RichardSmedley http://GoodGNUs.org/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardsmedley http://identi.ca/richardsmedley/ From iamseawolf at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 04:23:12 2009 From: iamseawolf at gmail.com (Ben Arnold) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 04:23:12 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Install Fest In-Reply-To: <1238199706.3641.4066.camel@GNUpad> References: <1238154674.3641.1178.camel@GNUpad> <9c3bfa1d0903271543y50c6186ap2f2aa1b42afd61ae@mail.gmail.com> <1238199706.3641.4066.camel@GNUpad> Message-ID: <9c3bfa1d0903271757sc335cf7l13c6f592c760dbc8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/28 Richard Smedley : > Good idea - we definitely need more co-operation > between groups. Perhaps Manchester Free Software > group would like to get involved, too? I would imagine they would certainly be interested with LivLug! > Are you on the Wrecsam / Powys LUG list? The more the > merrier :-) I literally signed up as I wrote that at http://www.wrexham-lug.co.uk/ a.k.a. "Relay"! Figured that since it was down the road (: Been snooping on LivLug for a few weeks. But we digress... b -- | seawolf | | Ben Arnold | | e-mail / msn / icq / web | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | From dh at iucr.org Sat Mar 28 22:35:42 2009 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:35:42 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] fosdem talks Message-ID: <200903282235.35437.dh@iucr.org> Hello, This was just posted at sheflug http://www.youtube.com/fosdemtalks may be of interest. Dave. -- Dr. David Holden. See: regarding Word or PowerPoint. GPG key available on request. ------------------------------------------------------------- From les.pritchard at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 14:20:17 2009 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:20:17 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [Liverpool] Liverpool Hackspace In-Reply-To: <1238420837.9893.310.camel@GNUpad> References: <1238420837.9893.310.camel@GNUpad> Message-ID: For those of you not in Liverpool LUG mailing list - an interesting idea. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Smedley Date: 2009/3/30 Subject: [Liverpool] Liverpool Hackspace To: liverpool at mailman.lug.org.uk Slightly tangential to the Netbook event, who wants a Liverpool hackspace? http://hackspace.org.uk/starting.php - Richard -- Richard Smedley PRINCE2 Project Management Sustainable 3rd Sector IT http://twitter.com/RichardSmedley http://GoodGNUs.org/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardsmedley http://identi.ca/richardsmedley/ _______________________________________________ Liverpool mailing list Liverpool at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/liverpool -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy at tensixtyone.com Mon Mar 30 23:04:18 2009 From: andy at tensixtyone.com (Andrew Williams) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:04:18 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Announcement: Liverpool LUG Meeting - 1st April 2009 Message-ID: <20090330230412.GB24358@manex.tensixtyone.com> Liverpool Linux User Group Meeting Wednesday April 1, 2009 at 7:00pm Liverpool Social Centre 96 Bold Street Liverpool, England L1 4HY Liverpool Linux User Group are a group of Linux and open source software users that meet on the first Wednesday of the month. If no talk is organised then we will usually organise a "open stage" for people to discuss projects, current news, or just to rant. Main Talk Adrian McEwen will be giving a talk on the Arduino open-source electronics prototyping platform. This is a a prelude to the Howduino hack-day (http://www.howduino.com/) running on the 23rd May at FACT. Open Stage Simon Johnson will be doing a quick talk about high level Python. This month, a few members will be at Small Steps to Sustainability at FACT (http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/2149511/) before the meeting . Anyone coming into Liverpool early is recommended to pop along. Usually, we will meet up in "The Old Ropewalk" pub before the meeting, then head out to the event around 7:00pm. The Liverpool Social Centre is two doors up from Forbidden Planet and is the right-hand door at the front of "News From Nowhere". Check the window for a handy Liverpool LUG sign, which will indicate we are there and not still at the pub. Press the white doorbell for access (the one marked basement) and someone will come up and open the door for you. After the talks we will usually stay in the meeting area for a while then head out back to The Old Ropewalk pub. If you have any difficulties finding the event, please ring a contact number listed on the website. Maps and streetview of the events are available on the website. Website: http://livlug.org.uk/meetings:2009_april Upcoming: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/2146243/ -- Andrew Williams w: http://tensixtyone.com/ e: andy at tensixtyone.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From smedley358 at btinternet.com Tue Mar 31 00:25:57 2009 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:25:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Announcement: Liverpool LUG Meeting - 1st April 2009 In-Reply-To: <20090330230412.GB24358@manex.tensixtyone.com> References: <20090330230412.GB24358@manex.tensixtyone.com> Message-ID: <1238459146.9893.610.camel@GNUpad> On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 00:06 +0100, Andrew Williams wrote: > Liverpool Linux User Group Meeting > Wednesday April 1, 2009 at 7:00pm Hello Andrew, Thanks for linking in #smallsteps too, btw :-) Wednesday's session is Low Carbon Computing, so particularly in our (LUG members') area ;) Looking forward to seeing some of you at FACT: http://www.goodgnus.org/small-steps/ - Richard -- Richard Smedley PRINCE2 Project Management Sustainable 3rd Sector IT http://twitter.com/RichardSmedley http://GoodGNUs.org/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardsmedley http://identi.ca/richardsmedley/