From dh at iucr.org Sat Oct 2 23:47:15 2010 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 23:47:15 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <4CA7C47C.9010109@iucr.org> http://eaves.ca/2010/10/01/uk-adopts-open-government-license-for-everything-why-its-good-and-what-it-means/ Good stuff. Dave. -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From dh at iucr.org Sat Oct 2 23:47:55 2010 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 23:47:55 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] UK adopts Open attitude. Message-ID: <4CA7C4A5.2020408@iucr.org> http://eaves.ca/2010/10/01/uk-adopts-open-government-license-for-everything-why-its-good-and-what-it-means/ Good stuff. Dave. -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From i.crowther at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 22:15:07 2010 From: i.crowther at gmail.com (Ian Crowther) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:15:07 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] IT Administrator Message-ID: I'm going to cross post this onto this list since we are very near Chester. As with the North Wales list, I hope it isn't considered inappropriate to post a job vacancy. We have a job vacancy open. While our desktops and a few servers use Windows most of our servers are Debian based and one of our goals is to try to use open source software where we can. Regards, Ian The text of the vacancy follows: *** Position: IT Administrator The role will involve maintaining and implementing systems as well as some user support. Candidates must be familiar with a unix-like OS (Ideally Debian) and a shell scripting language. A basic understanding of networking and computers in general will be required and the candidate will be willing and able to learn new technologies. On the job training will be given. Knowledge of Debian, MS Windows, Postfix, Apache, DJBDNS, MySQL, Cisco IOS would be considered an advantage, as would an understanding of the protocols that these systems use. Programming abilities (specifically in Perl, PHP, Javascript) would also be of benefit. Salary-negotiable Full time, permanent position. Location- Deeside, North Wales (near Chester) To apply for this position please send a copy of your CV along with any other information which you feel would be relevant to your application to it+jobs at comtek.co.uk From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 16:45:04 2010 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 16:45:04 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script Message-ID: <162494946460192619@unknownmsgid> Hi everyone, I am hoping someone can help me a bit here. I am creating a cript that deals with volume groups. However my bash skills fall short. I have a file that looks like this Vg955-01 /dev/diska1 Vg955-01 /dev/diska2 Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 You get the picture. Now what I am trying to do is get all the vg parts followed by the constituent disks. Ie above should look like: Vg955-01 /dev/disk1a /dev/diska2 Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 I cant really think of an easy way to do it without resorting to perl. Can anyone help? Regards Stu From dh at iucr.org Mon Oct 18 20:26:12 2010 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:26:12 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script In-Reply-To: <162494946460192619@unknownmsgid> References: <162494946460192619@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4CBCAD5D.7000801@iucr.org> Hi Stuart, VERY quick hack but it may work, the grep allows # comments IFS=' '; datfile="1.dat" ( cat $datfile | sort | grep -v \# | while read data do data_array=(`echo "$data"`) col1=${data_array[0]} echo -n "$col1 " cat $datfile | sort | grep "$col1" | awk '{print $2}' | tr '\n' ' ' echo "" done ) | sort | uniq Dave. On 18/10/10 17:44, Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am hoping someone can help me a bit here. I am creating a cript that > deals with volume groups. However my bash skills fall short. > > I have a file that looks like this > > Vg955-01 /dev/diska1 > Vg955-01 /dev/diska2 > Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 > Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 > > You get the picture. > > Now what I am trying to do is get all the vg parts followed by the > constituent disks. Ie above should look like: > > Vg955-01 /dev/disk1a /dev/diska2 > Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 > Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 > > I cant really think of an easy way to do it without resorting to perl. > Can anyone help? > > Regards > > Stu > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 20:49:40 2010 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:49:40 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script In-Reply-To: <4CBCAD5D.7000801@iucr.org> References: <162494946460192619@unknownmsgid> <4CBCAD5D.7000801@iucr.org> Message-ID: Dave, you must be a bash Jedi! It does work, and I can kind of trace how it works, but would you mind explaining it a bit more ? Cheers muchly. I owe you a beer, if your at the LUG next week ? On 18 October 2010 21:26, David Holden wrote: > Hi Stuart, > > VERY quick hack but it may work, the grep allows # comments > > > IFS=' '; > > datfile="1.dat" > > ( > cat $datfile | sort | grep -v \# | while read data > do > data_array=(`echo "$data"`) > col1=${data_array[0]} > echo -n "$col1 " > cat $datfile | sort | grep "$col1" | awk '{print $2}' | tr '\n' ' ' > echo "" > done > ) | sort | uniq > > > Dave. > > > On 18/10/10 17:44, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I am hoping someone can help me a bit here. I am creating a cript that > > deals with volume groups. However my bash skills fall short. > > > > I have a file that looks like this > > > > Vg955-01 /dev/diska1 > > Vg955-01 /dev/diska2 > > Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 > > Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 > > > > You get the picture. > > > > Now what I am trying to do is get all the vg parts followed by the > > constituent disks. Ie above should look like: > > > > Vg955-01 /dev/disk1a /dev/diska2 > > Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 > > Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 > > > > I cant really think of an easy way to do it without resorting to perl. > > Can anyone help? > > > > Regards > > > > Stu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > -- > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcgibson at talktalk.net Mon Oct 18 21:12:18 2010 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:12:18 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script In-Reply-To: References: <162494946460192619@unknownmsgid> <4CBCAD5D.7000801@iucr.org> Message-ID: <4CBCB820.4060706@talktalk.net> Takes me back to my Unix days, when I concocted all sorts of weird things like this to automate the integrated processing of data coming unreliably from a wide range of plant sensors, and feeding back to fine tune the process. (If you have a reasonable recent reading use it, but if not, ignore for now, or look back to a previous similar situation ....) Must come to meeting, but alas not next Thursday, unless quite late, but I have a 6.00am flight out of Liverpool Friday morning. Roger. On 18/10/2010 21:49, Stuart Burns wrote: > Dave, you must be a bash Jedi! > > It does work, and I can kind of trace how it works, but would you mind > explaining it a bit more ? > > Cheers muchly. I owe you a beer, if your at the LUG next week ? > > > On 18 October 2010 21:26, David Holden > wrote: > > Hi Stuart, > > VERY quick hack but it may work, the grep allows # comments > > > IFS=' '; > > datfile="1.dat" > > ( > cat $datfile | sort | grep -v \# | while read data > do > data_array=(`echo "$data"`) > col1=${data_array[0]} > echo -n "$col1 " > cat $datfile | sort | grep "$col1" | awk '{print $2}' | tr '\n' ' ' > echo "" > done > ) | sort | uniq > > > Dave. > > > On 18/10/10 17:44, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I am hoping someone can help me a bit here. I am creating a > cript that > > deals with volume groups. However my bash skills fall short. > > > > I have a file that looks like this > > > > Vg955-01 /dev/diska1 > > Vg955-01 /dev/diska2 > > Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 > > Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 > > > > You get the picture. > > > > Now what I am trying to do is get all the vg parts followed by the > > constituent disks. Ie above should look like: > > > > Vg955-01 /dev/disk1a /dev/diska2 > > Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 > > Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 > > > > I cant really think of an easy way to do it without resorting to > perl. > > Can anyone help? > > > > Regards > > > > Stu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > -- > Dr David Holden. 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URL: From dh at iucr.org Mon Oct 18 21:16:10 2010 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:16:10 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script In-Reply-To: References: <162494946460192619@unknownmsgid> <4CBCAD5D.7000801@iucr.org> Message-ID: <4CBCB914.8090100@iucr.org> On 18/10/10 21:49, Stuart Burns wrote: > Dave, you must be a bash Jedi! > > It does work, and I can kind of trace how it works, but would you mind > explaining it a bit more ? > Cheers muchly. I owe you a beer, if your at the LUG next week ? You still owe me a meal matey ;) IFS=' ' this set the fields seperator for the "read". basically it then loops over the rows, gets the first column (based on the IFS) echo's it without newline, then for each of these "col1"s cats the whole file again and picks out col2 (using awk) that have matching "col1"s, then collapses them to one line using tr '\n' ' ', the final echo does the newline. This all has to then be sorted and uniq'ed to remove repetition. Cheers, Dave. > > Cheers muchly. I owe you a beer, if your at the LUG next week ? > > > On 18 October 2010 21:26, David Holden > wrote: > > Hi Stuart, > > VERY quick hack but it may work, the grep allows # comments > > > IFS=' '; > > datfile="1.dat" > > ( > cat $datfile | sort | grep -v \# | while read data > do > data_array=(`echo "$data"`) > col1=${data_array[0]} > echo -n "$col1 " > cat $datfile | sort | grep "$col1" | awk '{print $2}' | tr '\n' ' ' > echo "" > done > ) | sort | uniq > > > Dave. > > > On 18/10/10 17:44, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I am hoping someone can help me a bit here. I am creating a cript that > > deals with volume groups. However my bash skills fall short. > > > > I have a file that looks like this > > > > Vg955-01 /dev/diska1 > > Vg955-01 /dev/diska2 > > Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 > > Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 > > > > You get the picture. > > > > Now what I am trying to do is get all the vg parts followed by the > > constituent disks. Ie above should look like: > > > > Vg955-01 /dev/disk1a /dev/diska2 > > Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 > > Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 > > > > I cant really think of an easy way to do it without resorting to perl. > > Can anyone help? > > > > Regards > > > > Stu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > -- > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org ) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 21:29:33 2010 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:29:33 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Help with a bash script In-Reply-To: <4CBCB914.8090100@iucr.org> References: <162494946460192619@unknownmsgid> <4CBCAD5D.7000801@iucr.org> <4CBCB914.8090100@iucr.org> Message-ID: Dave, Your right I do. If your going, I'm buying ;) Stu On 18 October 2010 22:16, David Holden wrote: > > > On 18/10/10 21:49, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Dave, you must be a bash Jedi! > > > > It does work, and I can kind of trace how it works, but would you mind > > explaining it a bit more ? > > Cheers muchly. I owe you a beer, if your at the LUG next week ? > > You still owe me a meal matey ;) > > IFS=' ' this set the fields seperator for the "read". > > basically it then loops over the rows, gets the first column (based on > the IFS) echo's it without newline, then for each of these "col1"s cats > the whole file again and picks out col2 (using awk) that have matching > "col1"s, then collapses them to one line using tr '\n' ' ', the final > echo does the newline. This all has to then be sorted and uniq'ed to > remove repetition. > > Cheers, > > Dave. > > > > > > > > Cheers muchly. I owe you a beer, if your at the LUG next week ? > > > > > > On 18 October 2010 21:26, David Holden > > wrote: > > > > Hi Stuart, > > > > VERY quick hack but it may work, the grep allows # comments > > > > > > IFS=' '; > > > > datfile="1.dat" > > > > ( > > cat $datfile | sort | grep -v \# | while read data > > do > > data_array=(`echo "$data"`) > > col1=${data_array[0]} > > echo -n "$col1 " > > cat $datfile | sort | grep "$col1" | awk '{print $2}' | tr '\n' ' > ' > > echo "" > > done > > ) | sort | uniq > > > > > > Dave. > > > > > > On 18/10/10 17:44, Stuart Burns wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I am hoping someone can help me a bit here. I am creating a cript > that > > > deals with volume groups. However my bash skills fall short. > > > > > > I have a file that looks like this > > > > > > Vg955-01 /dev/diska1 > > > Vg955-01 /dev/diska2 > > > Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 > > > Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 > > > > > > You get the picture. > > > > > > Now what I am trying to do is get all the vg parts followed by the > > > constituent disks. Ie above should look like: > > > > > > Vg955-01 /dev/disk1a /dev/diska2 > > > Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 > > > Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 > > > > > > I cant really think of an easy way to do it without resorting to > perl. > > > Can anyone help? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chester mailing list > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > -- > > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 21:39:52 2010 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:39:52 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are we doing an xmas lunch Message-ID: Seeing as everyone seems to be here ;) Anyone got any particular plans for Christmas meals. 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I owe you a beer, if your at the LUG next week ? > > You still owe me a meal matey ;) > > IFS=' ' this set the fields seperator for the "read". > > basically it then loops over the rows, gets the first column (based on > the IFS) echo's it without newline, then for each of these "col1"s cats > the whole file again and picks out col2 (using awk) that have matching > "col1"s, then collapses them to one line using tr '\n' ' ', the final > echo does the newline. This all has to then be sorted and uniq'ed to > remove repetition. > > Cheers, > > Dave. > > > > > > > > Cheers muchly. I owe you a beer, if your at the LUG next week ? > > > > > > On 18 October 2010 21:26, David Holden > > >> wrote: > > > > Hi Stuart, > > > > VERY quick hack but it may work, the grep allows # comments > > > > > > IFS=' '; > > > > datfile="1.dat" > > > > ( > > cat $datfile | sort | grep -v \# | while read data > > do > > data_array=(`echo "$data"`) > > col1=${data_array[0]} > > echo -n "$col1 " > > cat $datfile | sort | grep "$col1" | awk '{print $2}' | tr > '\n' ' ' > > echo "" > > done > > ) | sort | uniq > > > > > > Dave. > > > > > > On 18/10/10 17:44, Stuart Burns wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > I am hoping someone can help me a bit here. I am creating a > cript that > > > deals with volume groups. However my bash skills fall short. > > > > > > I have a file that looks like this > > > > > > Vg955-01 /dev/diska1 > > > Vg955-01 /dev/diska2 > > > Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 > > > Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 > > > > > > You get the picture. > > > > > > Now what I am trying to do is get all the vg parts followed > by the > > > constituent disks. Ie above should look like: > > > > > > Vg955-01 /dev/disk1a /dev/diska2 > > > Vg978-01 /dev/disk45 > > > Vg978-04 /dev/disk13 > > > > > > I cant really think of an easy way to do it without > resorting to perl. > > > Can anyone help? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Stu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chester mailing list > > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > -- > > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org > >) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org ) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From dh at iucr.org Tue Oct 19 10:40:46 2010 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:40:46 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are we doing an xmas lunch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CBD75A7.2010902@iucr.org> Sounds good, maybe something to discuss at the next meeting. Dave. On 18/10/10 22:39, Stuart Burns wrote: > Seeing as everyone seems to be here ;) > > Anyone got any particular plans for Christmas meals. I did suggest > joining up with another LUG but how do people feel re: Christmas party ? > > Regards > > Stuart > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From biglynchy at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 12:34:05 2010 From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 12:34:05 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are we doing an xmas lunch In-Reply-To: <4CBD75A7.2010902@iucr.org> References: <4CBD75A7.2010902@iucr.org> Message-ID: I like this idea. We had a Christmas meal for LivLug at the Everyman Bistro last year. If we got some of the Wrexham and Manchester LUG people to come along we could probably hire the private room in there easily. It's only £50 or something. Not much between a few of us. A North West LUG Christmas. What do you reckon? I might be getting carried away here. Would be good to have a social event though, perhaps meet some people from other LUGs we normally wouldn't. 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URL: From mrcrilly at googlemail.com Tue Oct 19 14:09:36 2010 From: mrcrilly at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:09:36 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are we doing an xmas lunch In-Reply-To: References: <4CBD75A7.2010902@iucr.org> Message-ID: I think Dan's idea is a decent one. It will allow people to network and could lead to future events. Regards, Mike. On 19 Oct 2010, at 13:33, Dan Lynch wrote: > I like this idea. We had a Christmas meal for LivLug at the Everyman Bistro last year. If we got some of the Wrexham and Manchester LUG people to come along we could probably hire the private room in there easily. It's only ￡50 or something. Not much between a few of us. > > A North West LUG Christmas. What do you reckon? I might be getting carried away here. Would be good to have a social event though, perhaps meet some people from other LUGs we normally wouldn't. > > Dan > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:40 AM, David Holden wrote: > Sounds good, maybe something to discuss at the next meeting. > > Dave. > > > On 18/10/10 22:39, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Seeing as everyone seems to be here ;) > > > > Anyone got any particular plans for Christmas meals. I did suggest > > joining up with another LUG but how do people feel re: Christmas party ? > > > > Regards > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From biglynchy at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 14:29:09 2010 From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:29:09 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are we doing an xmas lunch In-Reply-To: References: <4CBD75A7.2010902@iucr.org> Message-ID: We could call it a Yule LUG event perhaps.... I'll get my coat :) Dan 2010/10/19 Michael Crilly > I think Dan's idea is a decent one. It will allow people to network and > could lead to future events. > > Regards, > > Mike. > > On 19 Oct 2010, at 13:33, Dan Lynch wrote: > > I like this idea. We had a Christmas meal for LivLug at the Everyman Bistro > last year. If we got some of the Wrexham and Manchester LUG people to come > along we could probably hire the private room in there easily. It's only £50 > or something. Not much between a few of us. > > A North West LUG Christmas. What do you reckon? I might be getting carried > away here. Would be good to have a social event though, perhaps meet some > people from other LUGs we normally wouldn't. > > Dan > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:40 AM, David Holden < dh at iucr.org>wrote: > >> Sounds good, maybe something to discuss at the next meeting. >> >> Dave. >> >> >> On 18/10/10 22:39, Stuart Burns wrote: >> > Seeing as everyone seems to be here ;) >> > >> > Anyone got any particular plans for Christmas meals. I did suggest >> > joining up with another LUG but how do people feel re: Christmas party ? >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Stuart >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chester mailing list >> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> -- >> Dr David Holden. ( dh at iucr.org) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Oct 19 16:00:53 2010 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:00:53 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are we doing an xmas lunch In-Reply-To: References: <4CBD75A7.2010902@iucr.org> Message-ID: <1498801094857856578@unknownmsgid> Sorry, I dont get it! On 19 Oct 2010, at 15:29, Dan Lynch wrote: We could call it a Yule LUG event perhaps.... I'll get my coat :) Dan 2010/10/19 Michael Crilly > I think Dan's idea is a decent one. It will allow people to network and > could lead to future events. > > Regards, > > Mike. > > On 19 Oct 2010, at 13:33, Dan Lynch wrote: > > I like this idea. We had a Christmas meal for LivLug at the Everyman Bistro > last year. If we got some of the Wrexham and Manchester LUG people to come > along we could probably hire the private room in there easily. It's only £50 > or something. Not much between a few of us. > > A North West LUG Christmas. What do you reckon? I might be getting carried > away here. Would be good to have a social event though, perhaps meet some > people from other LUGs we normally wouldn't. > > Dan > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:40 AM, David Holden < dh at iucr.org>wrote: > >> Sounds good, maybe something to discuss at the next meeting. >> >> Dave. >> >> >> On 18/10/10 22:39, Stuart Burns wrote: >> > Seeing as everyone seems to be here ;) >> > >> > Anyone got any particular plans for Christmas meals. I did suggest >> > joining up with another LUG but how do people feel re: Christmas party ? >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Stuart >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chester mailing list >> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> -- >> Dr David Holden. 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(dh at iucr.org) From rcgibson at talktalk.net Tue Oct 19 17:11:31 2010 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 17:11:31 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are we doing an xmas lunch In-Reply-To: <4CBDD099.3010709@iucr.org> References: <4CBD75A7.2010902@iucr.org> <1498801094857856578@unknownmsgid> <4CBDD099.3010709@iucr.org> Message-ID: <4CBDD137.2080709@talktalk.net> So did I, but wasn't sure where putting on the coat fitted in. On 19/10/2010 18:08, David Holden wrote: > I got it! > > > > On 19/10/10 17:26, Dan Lynch wrote: > >> It was a pun on the Yule log which people make to celebrate Christmas. I >> used to have to do it at school, maybe it's a religious thing but I >> dunno. This is the mobile link as I'm on the phone, more here - >> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule_log >> >> It wasn't a great joke to be honest. 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Regards Stuart From smedley358 at btinternet.com Wed Oct 20 07:35:46 2010 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:35:46 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) Message-ID: <4CBE9BBE.9020106@btinternet.com> I gather they've not been flooded with applicants from *nix people yet, so worth a look for someone? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:46:46 +0100 From: Ian Crowther To: linuxjobs at mailman.lug.org.uk Hi, We have a job vacancy open. While our desktops and a few servers use Windows most of our servers are Debian based and one of our goals is to try to use open source software where we can. The scope of this position is likely to become quite broad over time (since we are a small department) but we aren't expecting an applicant who already knows everything, so perhaps it'd be an ideal first 'proper' IT position for somebody with some non-formal sysadmin/programming experience. To apply, please send a CV, along with any supporting information to it+jobs at comtek.co.uk . If you have any questions about the position feel free to send me an email. Regards, Ian The text of the vacancy is as follows: *** Position: IT Administrator The role will involve maintaining and implementing systems as well as some user support. Candidates must be familiar with a Unix-like OS (ideally Debian) and a shell scripting language. A basic understanding of networking and computers in general will be required and the candidate will be willing and able to learn new technologies. On the job training will be given. Knowledge of Debian, MS Windows, Postfix, Apache, DJBDNS, MySQL, Cisco IOS would be considered an advantage, as would an understanding of the protocols that these systems use. Programming abilities (specifically in Perl, PHP, Javascript) would also be of benefit. Salary-negotiable Full time, permanent position. Location- Deeside, North Wales (near Chester) To apply for this position please send a copy of your CV along with any other information which you feel would be relevant to your application to it+jobs at comtek.co.uk _______________________________________________ linuxjobs mailing list linuxjobs at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs From thomas at thomasprophett.co.uk Wed Oct 20 07:44:07 2010 From: thomas at thomasprophett.co.uk (Thomas Prophett) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:44:07 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] A short talk? In-Reply-To: <2030860758201411563@unknownmsgid> References: <2030860758201411563@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Stuart, That talk sounds good to me! Thomas. On 20 October 2010 08:16, Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I am willing to give a short talk on a somewhat underused/ > misunderstood part of linux, that is the use of logical volumes, the > creation and expansion of them as well as common design criteria for > layouts and disk management. I can even do some redhat on mainframe > stuff if anyone wants to know about the mad disk setups using > "minidisks". > > If everyone knows it already, just ignore me. > > Regards > > Stuart > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Wed Oct 20 08:11:19 2010 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:11:19 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) In-Reply-To: <4CBE9BBE.9020106@btinternet.com> References: <4CBE9BBE.9020106@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I'd love to work in a job like that, but I'm entry level rather than admin level. I don't suppose there's a vacancy for a trainee? Cheers Paul > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:35:26 +0100 > From: smedley358 at btinternet.com > To: sc at mailman.lug.org.uk > CC: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) > > I gather they've not been flooded with applicants from *nix > people yet, so worth a look for someone? > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:46:46 +0100 > From: Ian Crowther > To: linuxjobs at mailman.lug.org.uk > > Hi, > > We have a job vacancy open. While our desktops and a few servers use > Windows most of our servers are Debian based and one of our goals is > to try to use open source software where we can. > > The scope of this position is likely to become quite broad over time > (since we are a small department) but we aren't expecting an applicant > who already knows everything, so perhaps it'd be an ideal first > 'proper' IT position for somebody with some non-formal > sysadmin/programming experience. > > To apply, please send a CV, along with any supporting information to > it+jobs at comtek.co.uk . If you have any questions about the position > feel free to send me an email. > > Regards, > > Ian > > > > The text of the vacancy is as follows: > > *** > > Position: IT Administrator > > The role will involve maintaining and implementing systems as well as > some user support. > > Candidates must be familiar with a Unix-like OS (ideally Debian) and a > shell scripting language. > A basic understanding of networking and computers in general will be > required and the candidate will be willing and able to learn new > technologies. On the job training will be given. > > Knowledge of Debian, MS Windows, Postfix, Apache, DJBDNS, MySQL, Cisco > IOS would be considered an advantage, as would an understanding of the > protocols that these systems use. 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I'm amazed at the number of MS-related respondents compared to the small number who seemed to actually have Unix skills. Could it be due to location? Are all the MS-people out of work and the *nix people employed? :-) My question is, apart from LUGs, can anybody suggest appropriate advertising locations? My target audience being "people with Linux enthusiasm experience, probably looking for a first 'IT job' ". Regards, Ian END QUOTE From benarnold at fsfe.org Wed Oct 20 10:16:29 2010 From: benarnold at fsfe.org (Ben Arnold) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:16:29 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] A short talk? In-Reply-To: <2030860758201411563@unknownmsgid> References: <2030860758201411563@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <20101020111604.03e28f1c@fsfe.org> Hi -- On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:16:56 +0100, you (Stuart) wrote: | I am willing to give a short talk on a somewhat underused/ | misunderstood part of linux, that is the use of logical volumes, the | creation and expansion of them as well as common design criteria for | layouts and disk management. I can even do some redhat on mainframe | stuff if anyone wants to know about the mad disk setups using | "minidisks". | | If everyone knows it already, just ignore me. Sounds interesting, don't seem to know much about this stuff for some reason... perhaps because I have to 'manage' a grand total of three disks over two machines! Would like to see it in action a bit. I remember Tom at LivLUG give a talk [1] on a related topic, ZFS and LVM/RAID stacks and abstraction, which was very interesting, but some of it went a little above me! Cheers, Ben 1: http://livlug.org.uk/meetings:2010_february -- Ben Arnold Chester, UK e: ben at seawolfsanctuary.com w: seawolfsanctuary.com | sn+t: @seawolf nom = { :cookies => :mouth } nom; nom; nom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 316 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dh at iucr.org Wed Oct 20 10:19:18 2010 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:19:18 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] A short talk? In-Reply-To: References: <2030860758201411563@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4CBEC21F.9080301@iucr.org> Dito. Sounds good to me. Dave. On 20/10/10 08:43, Thomas Prophett wrote: > Stuart, > > That talk sounds good to me! > > Thomas. > > On 20 October 2010 08:16, Stuart Burns wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I am willing to give a short talk on a somewhat underused/ >> misunderstood part of linux, that is the use of logical volumes, the >> creation and expansion of them as well as common design criteria for >> layouts and disk management. I can even do some redhat on mainframe >> stuff if anyone wants to know about the mad disk setups using >> "minidisks". >> >> If everyone knows it already, just ignore me. >> >> Regards >> >> Stuart >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From benarnold at fsfe.org Wed Oct 20 10:20:02 2010 From: benarnold at fsfe.org (Ben Arnold) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:20:02 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are we doing an xmas lunch In-Reply-To: References: <4CBD75A7.2010902@iucr.org> Message-ID: <20101020111942.4868231b@fsfe.org> Hi all -- Another +1 from here. I think it's a great idea to go cross-LUG, though Chester, Liverpool, Wrexham *and* Manchester may be a bit of a struggle in finding somewhere suitable, given distances. We don't know until we try though. I would think a handful from WLUG would be interested (no promises) since they/we are small; it may be an opportunity for those that haven't yet made a meet to do so, since some come down from various altitudes. But yes, one to discuss. Cheers, Ben ----- On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:08:29 +0100, Michael wrote: | I think Dan's idea is a decent one. 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I did | > > suggest joining up with another LUG but how do people feel re: | > > Christmas party ? -- Ben Arnold Chester, UK e: ben at seawolfsanctuary.com w: seawolfsanctuary.com | sn+t: @seawolf nom = { :cookies => :mouth } nom; nom; nom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 316 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Wed Oct 20 10:21:14 2010 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:21:14 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) In-Reply-To: <4CBEBB3B.60304@btinternet.com> References: <4CBE9BBE.9020106@btinternet.com>, , <4CBEBB3B.60304@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thanks. I've just emailed an introductory letter. > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:49:47 +0100 > From: smedley358 at btinternet.com > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) > > On 20/10/10 09:11, Paul Williams wrote: > > I'd love to work in a job like that, but I'm entry level rather than > > admin level. I don't suppose there's a vacancy for a trainee? > > Here's Ian's recent post about the job & uptake - sounds > like a trainee opportunity :) > He's at: i.crowther at gmail.com > > BEGIN QUOTE > > I posted a copy of our advert here a while ago. We are looking to hire > a sysadmin/general IT person; its a junior role, the only real > requirement is that we want somebody with a reasonable degree of Unix > (Linux/BSD/whatever) competency and a desire to learn. Training would > be provided. > > I'm amazed at the number of MS-related respondents compared to the > small number who seemed to actually have Unix skills. 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Where the > character would make some terrible joke, some awkward silence and then he'd > say "I'll get my coat" and walk out. > > Whatever we call it I think it's a good idea to get people together. > Something to discuss at the next meet. > > Dan > On 19 Oct 2010 18:11, "Roger Gibson" wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 14:29:41 2010 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:29:41 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] SATA ISCSI SAN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-969837959143724237@unknownmsgid> No need for it to be commercial. Basically the plan is to have it as a disk backup but be able to split the mirror and remove the drive for offsite storage. Then insert another and sync the active split mirror for next set of backups On 20 Oct 2010, at 14:45, Les Pritchard wrote: Are you specifically looking for a commercial 'box' or would you be happy to build one? You'd get a lot more doing it that way. On 19 October 2010 23:35, Joe Foy wrote: > I have no idea about the hardware side of it, but anything with > freeNAS on will do iSCSI > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From biglynchy at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 14:34:59 2010 From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:34:59 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are we doing an xmas lunch In-Reply-To: References: <4CBD75A7.2010902@iucr.org> <1498801094857856578@unknownmsgid> <4CBDD099.3010709@iucr.org> <4CBDD137.2080709@talktalk.net> Message-ID: The line is from the Fast Show yeah. I'll mention the idea on the Liverpool LUG mailing list and see what people think initially. If there's some interest then we can start to look into the details and discuss it more seriously. Perhaps Ben could sound out the Wrexham LUG folks. I agree that getting people to come from Manchester as well might be tricky but you never know. Dan On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Les Pritchard wrote: > Fast Show? > > Only joking Dan, doing a good job of being the LUG oracle! 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URL: From mrcrilly at googlemail.com Wed Oct 20 14:38:16 2010 From: mrcrilly at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:38:16 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) In-Reply-To: <4CBE9BBE.9020106@btinternet.com> References: <4CBE9BBE.9020106@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I'll be applying :) Regards, Mike. On 20 Oct 2010, at 08:35, Richard Smedley wrote: > I gather they've not been flooded with applicants from *nix > people yet, so worth a look for someone? > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:46:46 +0100 > From: Ian Crowther > To: linuxjobs at mailman.lug.org.uk > > Hi, > > We have a job vacancy open. While our desktops and a few servers use > Windows most of our servers are Debian based and one of our goals is > to try to use open source software where we can. > > The scope of this position is likely to become quite broad over time > (since we are a small department) but we aren't expecting an applicant > who already knows everything, so perhaps it'd be an ideal first > 'proper' IT position for somebody with some non-formal > sysadmin/programming experience. > > To apply, please send a CV, along with any supporting information to > it+jobs at comtek.co.uk . If you have any questions about the position > feel free to send me an email. > > Regards, > > Ian > > > > The text of the vacancy is as follows: > > *** > > Position: IT Administrator > > The role will involve maintaining and implementing systems as well as > some user support. > > Candidates must be familiar with a Unix-like OS (ideally Debian) and a > shell scripting language. > A basic understanding of networking and computers in general will be > required and the candidate will be willing and able to learn new > technologies. On the job training will be given. > > Knowledge of Debian, MS Windows, Postfix, Apache, DJBDNS, MySQL, Cisco > IOS would be considered an advantage, as would an understanding of the > protocols that these systems use. Programming abilities (specifically in > Perl, PHP, Javascript) would also be of benefit. > Salary-negotiable > Full time, permanent position. > Location- Deeside, North Wales (near Chester) > > To apply for this position please send a copy of your CV along with > any other information which you feel would be relevant to your > application to it+jobs at comtek.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > linuxjobs mailing list > linuxjobs at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 17:39:15 2010 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:39:15 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) In-Reply-To: References: <4CBE9BBE.9020106@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <-7065297759769598765@unknownmsgid> Me too ;) On 20 Oct 2010, at 15:38, Michael Crilly wrote: > I'll be applying :) > > Regards, > > Mike. > > On 20 Oct 2010, at 08:35, Richard Smedley > wrote: > >> I gather they've not been flooded with applicants from *nix >> people yet, so worth a look for someone? >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) >> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:46:46 +0100 >> From: Ian Crowther >> To: linuxjobs at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> Hi, >> >> We have a job vacancy open. While our desktops and a few servers use >> Windows most of our servers are Debian based and one of our goals is >> to try to use open source software where we can. >> >> The scope of this position is likely to become quite broad over time >> (since we are a small department) but we aren't expecting an >> applicant >> who already knows everything, so perhaps it'd be an ideal first >> 'proper' IT position for somebody with some non-formal >> sysadmin/programming experience. >> >> To apply, please send a CV, along with any supporting information to >> it+jobs at comtek.co.uk . If you have any questions about the position >> feel free to send me an email. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ian >> >> >> >> The text of the vacancy is as follows: >> >> *** >> >> Position: IT Administrator >> >> The role will involve maintaining and implementing systems as well as >> some user support. >> >> Candidates must be familiar with a Unix-like OS (ideally Debian) >> and a >> shell scripting language. >> A basic understanding of networking and computers in general will be >> required and the candidate will be willing and able to learn new >> technologies. On the job training will be given. >> >> Knowledge of Debian, MS Windows, Postfix, Apache, DJBDNS, MySQL, >> Cisco >> IOS would be considered an advantage, as would an understanding of >> the >> protocols that these systems use. Programming abilities >> (specifically in >> Perl, PHP, Javascript) would also be of benefit. >> Salary-negotiable >> Full time, permanent position. >> Location- Deeside, North Wales (near Chester) >> >> To apply for this position please send a copy of your CV along with >> any other information which you feel would be relevant to your >> application to it+jobs at comtek.co.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> linuxjobs mailing list >> linuxjobs at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From joe.foy at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 17:55:18 2010 From: joe.foy at gmail.com (Joe Foy) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:55:18 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] SATA ISCSI SAN In-Reply-To: <-969837959143724237@unknownmsgid> References: <-969837959143724237@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I knew I saw something like that somewhere, but I could not remember where. I finally found it in a Linux format review. have a look here www.zybert.co.uk From smedley358 at btinternet.com Thu Oct 21 00:11:37 2010 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:11:37 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Are we doing an xmas lunch In-Reply-To: References: <4CBD75A7.2010902@iucr.org> Message-ID: <4CBDB33F.2000600@btinternet.com> On 19/10/10 13:33, Dan Lynch wrote: > A North West LUG Christmas. What do you reckon? I might be getting carried > away here. Would be good to have a social event though, perhaps meet some > people from other LUGs we normally wouldn't. +1 From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 07:28:04 2010 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:28:04 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] SATA ISCSI SAN In-Reply-To: <-969837959143724237@unknownmsgid> References: <-969837959143724237@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: If you like I could give a quick demo of how you could do that in zfs next week. On Wednesday, October 20, 2010, Stuart Burns wrote: > No need for it to be commercial. Basically the plan is to have it as a disk backup but be able to split the mirror and remove the drive for offsite storage. Then insert another and sync the active split mirror for next set of backups > > > > > On 20 Oct 2010, at 14:45, Les Pritchard wrote: > > > Are you specifically looking for a commercial 'box' or would you be happy to build one? You'd get a lot more doing it that way. > > On 19 October 2010 23:35, Joe Foy wrote: > I have no idea about the hardware side of it, but anything with > freeNAS on will do iSCSI > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > From nev at nevstah.co.uk Wed Oct 20 11:42:50 2010 From: nev at nevstah.co.uk (Nev) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:42:50 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] hello Message-ID: <23D9B591-3F0B-49C2-99F0-F1BFC7BFDCEC@nevstah.co.uk> hi all just joined the list so thought I would introduce myself! live near Whitchurch and have been admining various Linux servers for quite a few years now though don't consider myself an expert Ive worked on sun cobalt raq550 and quartz, along with ubuntu server and desktop. mostly familiar with postfix dovecot courier apache dhcp pptp bind proftp ssh samba mailscanner/spamassassin etc! I'm sure I've missed bits off but you get the idea cheers nev Sent from my iPhone -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From mrcrilly at googlemail.com Thu Oct 21 20:44:21 2010 From: mrcrilly at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:44:21 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) In-Reply-To: <-7065297759769598765@unknownmsgid> References: <4CBE9BBE.9020106@btinternet.com> <-7065297759769598765@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Ha ha as if Stuart. On 20 October 2010 17:59, Stuart Burns wrote: > Me too ;) > > > > > On 20 Oct 2010, at 15:38, Michael Crilly > wrote: > > > I'll be applying :) > > > > Regards, > > > > Mike. > > > > On 20 Oct 2010, at 08:35, Richard Smedley > > wrote: > > > >> I gather they've not been flooded with applicants from *nix > >> people yet, so worth a look for someone? > >> > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: [linuxjobs] IT Administrator (Flintshire, North Wales) > >> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 22:46:46 +0100 > >> From: Ian Crowther > >> To: linuxjobs at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> We have a job vacancy open. While our desktops and a few servers use > >> Windows most of our servers are Debian based and one of our goals is > >> to try to use open source software where we can. > >> > >> The scope of this position is likely to become quite broad over time > >> (since we are a small department) but we aren't expecting an > >> applicant > >> who already knows everything, so perhaps it'd be an ideal first > >> 'proper' IT position for somebody with some non-formal > >> sysadmin/programming experience. > >> > >> To apply, please send a CV, along with any supporting information to > >> it+jobs at comtek.co.uk . If you have any > questions about the position > >> feel free to send me an email. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Ian > >> > >> > >> > >> The text of the vacancy is as follows: > >> > >> *** > >> > >> Position: IT Administrator > >> > >> The role will involve maintaining and implementing systems as well as > >> some user support. > >> > >> Candidates must be familiar with a Unix-like OS (ideally Debian) > >> and a > >> shell scripting language. > >> A basic understanding of networking and computers in general will be > >> required and the candidate will be willing and able to learn new > >> technologies. On the job training will be given. > >> > >> Knowledge of Debian, MS Windows, Postfix, Apache, DJBDNS, MySQL, > >> Cisco > >> IOS would be considered an advantage, as would an understanding of > >> the > >> protocols that these systems use. Programming abilities > >> (specifically in > >> Perl, PHP, Javascript) would also be of benefit. > >> Salary-negotiable > >> Full time, permanent position. > >> Location- Deeside, North Wales (near Chester) > >> > >> To apply for this position please send a copy of your CV along with > >> any other information which you feel would be relevant to your > >> application to it+jobs at comtek.co.uk > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> linuxjobs mailing list > >> linuxjobs at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chester mailing list > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Regards, Michael Crilly. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Paul > From: nev at nevstah.co.uk > Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:42:37 +0100 > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: [Chester LUG] hello > > hi all > > just joined the list so thought I would introduce myself! > > live near Whitchurch and have been admining various Linux servers for quite a few years now though don't consider myself an expert > > Ive worked on sun cobalt raq550 and quartz, along with ubuntu server and desktop. mostly familiar with postfix dovecot courier apache dhcp pptp bind proftp ssh samba mailscanner/spamassassin etc! I'm sure I've missed bits off but you get the idea > > cheers > > nev > > Sent from my iPhone > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 14:49:39 2010 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:49:39 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] hello In-Reply-To: <23D9B591-3F0B-49C2-99F0-F1BFC7BFDCEC@nevstah.co.uk> References: <23D9B591-3F0B-49C2-99F0-F1BFC7BFDCEC@nevstah.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Nev, Welcome along to the LUG! A bit of a drive for you to the meets I suppose, but hopefully we'll see you at one of them. In the meantime enjoy the list. 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I'm sure > I've missed bits off but you get the idea Yup - all things mailserver :-) Having recently been bruised a bit by iRedmail problems, I'd be interested to hear your ideal recipe for a happy multiple-domain email server set up? Regards, - Richard -- Richard Smedley Social Media & Accessible Web for small Orgs http://GoodGNUs.org/courses http://twitter.com/RichardSmedley Sustainable 3rd Sector IT http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardsmedley http://identi.ca/richardsmedley/ From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 22:22:36 2010 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:22:36 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] PFSense help Message-ID: Hiya, Is anyone really good with pfsense. I have a small pc to function as a pfsense router. It has 3 interfaces - LAN,WAN,OPT The LAN is 10.0.0.0/16 WAN is provided by DHCP The last interface is 172.16.0.0/24 Now I can get all the routes talking to each other. 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On 22 Oct 2010, at 23:22, Stuart Burns wrote: > Hiya, > > Is anyone really good with pfsense. > > I have a small pc to function as a pfsense router. > > It has 3 interfaces - LAN,WAN,OPT > > The LAN is 10.0.0.0/16 > > WAN is provided by DHCP > > The last interface is 172.16.0.0/24 > > Now I can get all the routes talking to each other. However I cant get the 172.16.0.0 to use a default route to push it out the DHCP assigned WAN interface. I cant see anywhere to say any traffic with no explicit route, route via WAN. > > Anyone know if its even possible ? > > Regards > > Stuart > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Sat Oct 23 08:50:57 2010 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 08:50:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] PFSense help In-Reply-To: <9DCF8ACF-2065-4D57-81DA-ACF52BDD9CE8@gmail.com> References: <9DCF8ACF-2065-4D57-81DA-ACF52BDD9CE8@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agre but the problem is how do I tell it which gateway is default, ie the WAN:) On 23 October 2010 07:33, Michael Crilly wrote: > Isn't that done via the gateway IP you supply to each host? Usually a > router/switch that gets a packet/frame not in it's own subnet will forward > to the gateway no? > > Regards, > > Mike. > > On 22 Oct 2010, at 23:22, Stuart Burns > wrote: > > Hiya, > > Is anyone really good with pfsense. > > I have a small pc to function as a pfsense router. > > It has 3 interfaces - LAN,WAN,OPT > > The LAN is 10.0.0.0/16 > > WAN is provided by DHCP > > The last interface is 172.16.0.0/24 > > Now I can get all the routes talking to each other. However I cant get the > 172.16.0.0 to use a default route to push it out the DHCP assigned WAN > interface. I cant see anywhere to say any traffic with no explicit route, > route via WAN. > > Anyone know if its even possible ? > > Regards > > Stuart > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at googlemail.com Sat Oct 23 09:05:02 2010 From: mrcrilly at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:05:02 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] PFSense help In-Reply-To: References: <9DCF8ACF-2065-4D57-81DA-ACF52BDD9CE8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21CC5870-5EE3-417C-87FB-92FEEAAC17CC@gmail.com> Hit it with a stick. I need to sit down with you Stuart an pick your brains on networking fundamentals. I'm doing my CCNA at present. Besides we aint seen each other for some time now :) Regards, Mike. On 23 Oct 2010, at 09:50, Stuart Burns wrote: > I agre but the problem is how do I tell it which gateway is default, ie the WAN:) > > > > On 23 October 2010 07:33, Michael Crilly wrote: > Isn't that done via the gateway IP you supply to each host? Usually a router/switch that gets a packet/frame not in it's own subnet will forward to the gateway no? > > Regards, > > Mike. > > On 22 Oct 2010, at 23:22, Stuart Burns wrote: > >> Hiya, >> >> Is anyone really good with pfsense. >> >> I have a small pc to function as a pfsense router. >> >> It has 3 interfaces - LAN,WAN,OPT >> >> The LAN is 10.0.0.0/16 >> >> WAN is provided by DHCP >> >> The last interface is 172.16.0.0/24 >> >> Now I can get all the routes talking to each other. However I cant get the 172.16.0.0 to use a default route to push it out the DHCP assigned WAN interface. I cant see anywhere to say any traffic with no explicit route, route via WAN. >> >> Anyone know if its even possible ? >> >> Regards >> >> Stuart >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm doing my CCNA at present. > > Besides we aint seen each other for some time now :) > > Regards, > > Mike. > > On 23 Oct 2010, at 09:50, Stuart Burns wrote: > >> I agre but the problem is how do I tell it which gateway is default, ie the WAN:) >> >> >> >> On 23 October 2010 07:33, Michael Crilly wrote: >> Isn't that done via the gateway IP you supply to each host? Usually a router/switch that gets a packet/frame not in it's own subnet will forward to the gateway no? >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike. >> >> On 22 Oct 2010, at 23:22, Stuart Burns wrote: >> >>> Hiya, >>> >>> Is anyone really good with pfsense. >>> >>> I have a small pc to function as a pfsense router. >>> >>> It has 3 interfaces - LAN,WAN,OPT >>> >>> The LAN is MailScanner warning: numerical links are often malicious: 10.0.0.0/16 >>> >>> WAN is provided by DHCP >>> >>> The last interface is MailScanner warning: numerical links are often malicious: 172.16.0.0/24 >>> >>> Now I can get all the routes talking to each other. However I cant get the 172.16.0.0 to use a default route to push it out the DHCP assigned WAN interface. I cant see anywhere to say any traffic with no explicit route, route via WAN. >>> >>> Anyone know if its even possible ? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Stuart >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at googlemail.com Sat Oct 23 10:28:17 2010 From: mrcrilly at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 10:28:17 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] {Disarmed} Re: {Disarmed} Re: PFSense help In-Reply-To: References: <9DCF8ACF-2065-4D57-81DA-ACF52BDD9CE8@gmail.com> <21CC5870-5EE3-417C-87FB-92FEEAAC17CC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1EFDE8E6-8275-4AED-80FD-4C127512B686@gmail.com> Hi Nev, Welcome to the list :) I'm self studying a large majority of the course and if I feel confident, go for the exams. If not, I'm going to do a five day crash course with a lot of the material already covered. If you fancy getting together, I can give you a copy of the Train Signal videos I have which are decent :) Let me know mate. Regards, Mike. On 23 Oct 2010, at 10:55, Nev wrote: > hi mike > > where are you doing ccna? and hows it going? I'm starting tomorrow! > > nev > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 23 Oct 2010, at 10:03, Michael Crilly wrote: > >> Hit it with a stick. >> >> I need to sit down with you Stuart an pick your brains on networking fundamentals. I'm doing my CCNA at present. >> >> Besides we aint seen each other for some time now :) >> >> Regards, >> >> Mike. >> >> On 23 Oct 2010, at 09:50, Stuart Burns wrote: >> >>> I agre but the problem is how do I tell it which gateway is default, ie the WAN:) >>> >>> >>> >>> On 23 October 2010 07:33, Michael Crilly wrote: >>> Isn't that done via the gateway IP you supply to each host? Usually a router/switch that gets a packet/frame not in it's own subnet will forward to the gateway no? >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Mike. >>> >>> On 22 Oct 2010, at 23:22, Stuart Burns wrote: >>> >>>> Hiya, >>>> >>>> Is anyone really good with pfsense. >>>> >>>> I have a small pc to function as a pfsense router. >>>> >>>> It has 3 interfaces - LAN,WAN,OPT >>>> >>>> The LAN is MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "10.0.0.0" claiming to be MailScanner warning: numerical links are often malicious: 10.0.0.0/16 >>>> >>>> WAN is provided by DHCP >>>> >>>> The last interface is MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "172.16.0.0" claiming to be MailScanner warning: numerical links are often malicious: 172.16.0.0/24 >>>> >>>> Now I can get all the routes talking to each other. However I cant get the 172.16.0.0 to use a default route to push it out the DHCP assigned WAN interface. I cant see anywhere to say any traffic with no explicit route, route via WAN. >>>> >>>> Anyone know if its even possible ? >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Stuart >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 14:20:06 2010 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:20:06 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Geeky spot! Message-ID: My son was watching a TV programme called 'Lazytown' this morning. For those of you without kids, it's a mixture of actors and puppets living in a comic style world (I'm sure the programme makers explain it far better!). One of the puppet characters on it is a techie and has a room full of gadgets and monitors. The monitors all have the usual fancy graphics flying around the screens looking hi-tech. I spotted that one is actually showing SETI at Home on it. Then a further look I spotted one monitor running DOS and a dir /s. Already having sunk into serious geek levels I was looking for evidence of other real systems. There was something that looked a little like it could have been a kernel boot screen but I thought I was maybe looking a bit too much into it. The story line of the episode was that the guys website was being attacked by the bad guy (yes kids TV has changed since 'our day'). Lots of wizzy screens were appearing until the character said he'd have to write some code to stop it. To my surprise we then brought up a Linux terminal and started typing genuine commands! There was a kill -9, pipping of commands, a make command and even a /etc/init.d/network stop! Ok that is nerdy, but when adult TV programmes always show unrealistic GUIs it's funny to see a kids programme showing real computing. Naturally I now approve of this programme :-) Les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at googlemail.com Mon Oct 25 14:26:36 2010 From: mrcrilly at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:26:36 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Geeky spot! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <661EE459-293E-42F0-8072-4F162B7804DC@gmail.com> That is just genius! As you said, even things like the CSI series don't have genuine applications/screens flashing up - it's all 3D CGI stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ&feature=player_embedded The above video is a classic case of this. I don't think you looked into it too much at all. I would have done the same. I wonder why they choose to use actual commands and actual computer systems, as opposed to more "visually pleasing" CG graphics and fictional OSes? Good spot Les :P On 25 Oct 2010, at 15:19, Les Pritchard wrote: > My son was watching a TV programme called 'Lazytown' this morning. For those of you without kids, it's a mixture of actors and puppets living in a comic style world (I'm sure the programme makers explain it far better!). > > One of the puppet characters on it is a techie and has a room full of gadgets and monitors. The monitors all have the usual fancy graphics flying around the screens looking hi-tech. I spotted that one is actually showing SETI at Home on it. Then a further look I spotted one monitor running DOS and a dir /s. Already having sunk into serious geek levels I was looking for evidence of other real systems. There was something that looked a little like it could have been a kernel boot screen but I thought I was maybe looking a bit too much into it. > > The story line of the episode was that the guys website was being attacked by the bad guy (yes kids TV has changed since 'our day'). Lots of wizzy screens were appearing until the character said he'd have to write some code to stop it. To my surprise we then brought up a Linux terminal and started typing genuine commands! There was a kill -9, pipping of commands, a make command and even a /etc/init.d/network stop! > > Ok that is nerdy, but when adult TV programmes always show unrealistic GUIs it's funny to see a kids programme showing real computing. Naturally I now approve of this programme :-) > > Les > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From biglynchy at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 14:27:04 2010 From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:27:04 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Geeky spot! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow that IS cool. It sounds far more convincing than the computer systems you see on Spooks and other so called "grown-up" programmes. Get the kids learning Bash commands early, that's the future hehe :) Dan On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Les Pritchard wrote: > My son was watching a TV programme called 'Lazytown' this morning. For > those of you without kids, it's a mixture of actors and puppets living in a > comic style world (I'm sure the programme makers explain it far better!). > > One of the puppet characters on it is a techie and has a room full of > gadgets and monitors. The monitors all have the usual fancy graphics flying > around the screens looking hi-tech. I spotted that one is actually showing > SETI at Home on it. Then a further look I spotted one monitor running DOS and > a dir /s. Already having sunk into serious geek levels I was looking for > evidence of other real systems. There was something that looked a little > like it could have been a kernel boot screen but I thought I was maybe > looking a bit too much into it. > > The story line of the episode was that the guys website was being attacked > by the bad guy (yes kids TV has changed since 'our day'). Lots of wizzy > screens were appearing until the character said he'd have to write some code > to stop it. To my surprise we then brought up a Linux terminal and started > typing genuine commands! There was a kill -9, pipping of commands, a make > command and even a /etc/init.d/network stop! > > Ok that is nerdy, but when adult TV programmes always show unrealistic GUIs > it's funny to see a kids programme showing real computing. Naturally I now > approve of this programme :-) > > Les > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smedley358 at btinternet.com Mon Oct 25 14:33:20 2010 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:33:20 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Geeky spot! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CC59527.8050805@btinternet.com> On 25/10/10 15:19, Les Pritchard wrote: [snip] > it's a mixture of actors and puppets living in a comic > style world (I'm sure the programme makers explain it far better!). It's possible they'd mention its wholesome message of working together, eating more fruit, and doing exercise. Viewers also appreciate the catchy songs - they're drilled into me by being played on every long family journey we undertake ;o) [snip] > Ok that is nerdy, but when adult TV programmes always show unrealistic GUIs > it's funny to see a kids programme showing real computing. Naturally I now > approve of this programme :-) Sounds like you're trying to justify watching daytime TV to me ;-P Apparently the Facebook film (Social Network) features heavy use of Emacs :o) Of course this may deter vi users from visiting the cinema ;-) - Richard From smedley358 at btinternet.com Mon Oct 25 14:41:50 2010 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:41:50 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Geeky spot! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CC59728.904@btinternet.com> On 25/10/10 15:26, Dan Lynch wrote: > Get the kids > learning Bash commands early, that's the future hehe :) Back in the 90s I gave my 4yr-old daughter an old PC [1] running a lightweight window manager - however I didn't use a display manager; she had to log in and type startx to get the gui up. She also had Emacs for writing stories. The idea behind this, what some may call wilful cruelty, was that although she'd probably use a GUI throughout most of her life, if a computer at any time dropped her to the command line (if the X-Window-server failed), or if tech support asked her to open a terminal, she wouldn't be phased by it, as it would be something every day. We should never over-simplify things for kids - simplify them just enough, and no more :) - Richard [1] It may have been something as fast as a Pentium I. I remember running a GUI once on a 486, maxed out to 12MB RAM - it wasn't fun :-/ From les.pritchard at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 15:05:02 2010 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:05:02 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Geeky spot! In-Reply-To: <661EE459-293E-42F0-8072-4F162B7804DC@gmail.com> References: <661EE459-293E-42F0-8072-4F162B7804DC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ah yes, that is a great example! Dan, you mentioned Spooks - did you see the 'mainframe' interface a couple of weeks ago which was a combination of a Mac (yes more BBC product placement) keyboard and random touchscreen actions! On 25 October 2010 15:26, Michael Crilly wrote: > That is just genius! > > As you said, even things like the CSI series don't have genuine > applications/screens flashing up - it's all 3D CGI stuff. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ&feature=player_embedded > > The above video is a classic case of this. > > I don't think you looked into it too much at all. I would have done the > same. > > I wonder why they choose to use actual commands and actual computer > systems, as opposed to more "visually pleasing" CG graphics and fictional > OSes? > > Good spot Les :P > > On 25 Oct 2010, at 15:19, Les Pritchard wrote: > > My son was watching a TV programme called 'Lazytown' this morning. For > those of you without kids, it's a mixture of actors and puppets living in a > comic style world (I'm sure the programme makers explain it far better!). > > One of the puppet characters on it is a techie and has a room full of > gadgets and monitors. The monitors all have the usual fancy graphics flying > around the screens looking hi-tech. I spotted that one is actually showing > SETI at Home on it. Then a further look I spotted one monitor running DOS and > a dir /s. Already having sunk into serious geek levels I was looking for > evidence of other real systems. There was something that looked a little > like it could have been a kernel boot screen but I thought I was maybe > looking a bit too much into it. > > The story line of the episode was that the guys website was being attacked > by the bad guy (yes kids TV has changed since 'our day'). Lots of wizzy > screens were appearing until the character said he'd have to write some code > to stop it. To my surprise we then brought up a Linux terminal and started > typing genuine commands! There was a kill -9, pipping of commands, a make > command and even a /etc/init.d/network stop! > > Ok that is nerdy, but when adult TV programmes always show unrealistic GUIs > it's funny to see a kids programme showing real computing. Naturally I now > approve of this programme :-) > > Les > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les at chesterlug.org.uk Mon Oct 25 15:06:15 2010 From: les at chesterlug.org.uk (Les Pritchard) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:06:15 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Geeky spot! In-Reply-To: <4CC59728.904@btinternet.com> References: <4CC59728.904@btinternet.com> Message-ID: LOL, love it! I wouldn't have thought a 4 year old would have big enough hands to master all those emacs key combinations ;-) On 25 October 2010 15:41, Richard Smedley wrote: > On 25/10/10 15:26, Dan Lynch wrote: > > Get the kids > > learning Bash commands early, that's the future hehe :) > > Back in the 90s I gave my 4yr-old daughter an old PC [1] > running a lightweight window manager - however I didn't > use a display manager; she had to log in and type startx > to get the gui up. She also had Emacs for writing stories. > > The idea behind this, what some may call wilful cruelty, > was that although she'd probably use a GUI throughout > most of her life, if a computer at any time dropped > her to the command line (if the X-Window-server failed), > or if tech support asked her to open a terminal, she > wouldn't be phased by it, as it would be something every > day. > > We should never over-simplify things for kids - simplify > them just enough, and no more :) > > - Richard > > [1] It may have been something as fast as a Pentium I. > I remember running a GUI once on a 486, maxed out > to 12MB RAM - it wasn't fun :-/ > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll say... making the poor girl use Emacs *duck* :) You think that's bad - school makes kids use MS PowerPoint :-/ - R From mrcrilly at googlemail.com Mon Oct 25 15:27:09 2010 From: mrcrilly at googlemail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:27:09 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Geeky spot! In-Reply-To: <4CC5A14D.4020307@btinternet.com> References: <4CC59728.904@btinternet.com> <4CC5A14D.4020307@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Yeah! They should be removing MS PowerPoint and using Apple's Keynote by now! Sheesh! Get with the times. ;) On 25 Oct 2010, at 16:25, Richard Smedley wrote: > On 25/10/10 16:08, Bryn Salisbury wrote: >> On 25 October 2010 15:41, Richard Smedley wrote: >>> The idea behind this, what some may call wilful cruelty, >> Willful cruelty? I'll say... making the poor girl use Emacs *duck* :) > > You think that's bad - school makes kids use MS PowerPoint :-/ > > - R > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Oct 25 20:40:57 2010 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:40:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Another junior IT role Message-ID: Hi Everyone, After the expression of junior roles for sysadmins, I thought this may be of interest to some of you:- http://www.jobserve.com/Junior-Unix-Red-Hat-Linux-Release-Engineer-22-000-Cheshire-Permanent-W36B787859F8B317C.jsjob It looks interesting and is all RH based. Pays £22,000 and is local(ish) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcgibson at talktalk.net Mon Oct 25 21:35:25 2010 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:35:25 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Anybody got a small basic notebook they want to sell on, or knows how to convert PhotoShop PSD files to something more manageable? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CC5F807.4060406@talktalk.net> I'm still waiting for the ideal 'smallish' notebook. The sort of thing to pop in a (big-poachers?) pocket, and man enough to do short sessions of document spreadsheet management, as well as Thunderbird and a browser. Unfortunately MS Publisher compatibility is pretty desirable. A lap top is just too big to keep carrying on a plane etc, now that hold baggage is at a premium, and I pack everything in an acceptable sized bag. Until all the 'must haves' come along in one small cost effective box - decent screen in daylight, effective keyboard, long battery life, dual boot, etc ... I might wait for ever, but if anyone has an idle one lurking that will sort of do, and is willing to part with it for some cash, please bring it along on Thursday. I'll not use it a lot, but when I do it will save a big chunk of baggage. Another question. Is there an effective way to convert PhotoShop PSD files into a more manageable DTP system? I've been given some brochures to update, and the previous author for some reason used Photoshop, (massive overkill) and I would like to turn them into a more user friendly format, and again Publisher is what folks use. As long as MS effectively give away software to Charities, I'm on a loser trying to convince folks otherwise. See you Thursday - will be late - got 7.00pm meeting in Chester first - where is it now Les? Bear and Billet upstairs? Roger. From les at chesterlug.org.uk Mon Oct 25 22:00:49 2010 From: les at chesterlug.org.uk (Les Pritchard) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:00:49 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Anybody got a small basic notebook they want to sell on, or knows how to convert PhotoShop PSD files to something more manageable? In-Reply-To: <4CC5F807.4060406@talktalk.net> References: <4CC5F807.4060406@talktalk.net> Message-ID: Hi Roger, Yes it's at the top floor of the Bear and Billet. See you there. Les On 25 October 2010 22:35, Roger Gibson wrote: > I'm still waiting for the ideal 'smallish' notebook. The sort of thing to > pop in a (big-poachers?) pocket, and man enough to do short sessions of > document spreadsheet management, as well as Thunderbird and a browser. > Unfortunately MS Publisher compatibility is pretty desirable. A lap top is > just too big to keep carrying on a plane etc, now that hold baggage is at a > premium, and I pack everything in an acceptable sized bag. > > Until all the 'must haves' come along in one small cost effective box - > decent screen in daylight, effective keyboard, long battery life, dual boot, > etc ... I might wait for ever, but if anyone has an idle one lurking that > will sort of do, and is willing to part with it for some cash, please bring > it along on Thursday. I'll not use it a lot, but when I do it will save a > big chunk of baggage. > > Another question. Is there an effective way to convert PhotoShop PSD files > into a more manageable DTP system? I've been given some brochures to > update, and the previous author for some reason used Photoshop, (massive > overkill) and I would like to turn them into a more user friendly format, > and again Publisher is what folks use. As long as MS effectively give away > software to Charities, I'm on a loser trying to convince folks otherwise. > > See you Thursday - will be late - got 7.00pm meeting in Chester first - > where is it now Les? Bear and Billet upstairs? Roger. > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benarnold at fsfe.org Mon Oct 25 22:39:06 2010 From: benarnold at fsfe.org (Ben Arnold) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:39:06 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Anybody got a small basic notebook they want to sell on, or knows how to convert PhotoShop PSD files to something more manageable? In-Reply-To: <4CC5F807.4060406@talktalk.net> References: <4CC5F807.4060406@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <20101025233849.32077e0f@fsfe.org> Hi Rodger -- On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:35:03 +0100, you (Roger) wrote: | Another question. Is there an effective way to convert PhotoShop | PSD files into a more manageable DTP system? I've been given some | brochures to update, and the previous author for some reason used | Photoshop, (massive overkill) and I would like to turn them into a | more user friendly format, and again Publisher is what folks use. As | long as MS effectively give away software to Charities, I'm on a | loser trying to convince folks otherwise. You mention PSDs but also DTP; yes, 'tool for the job' springs to mind! On the PSD side, I should imagine GIMP would be your best shot, I think it's one of the project's main aims being a image manipulation program. You could then export to SVG for Inkscape to use, giving a more DTP-friendly application. I've only experience here in cursing Adobe Illustrator's 'unique' approach to the SVG standard... Just a note that one of the guys at Wrexham LUG was dealing with some Publisher files, I think to convert them into something a Linux program would handle with objective to stay editing in Linux. Unless I've gotten totally the wrong end of the stick, I'll forward it over (down?) as that was a few months ago and may have progressed. Cheers, Ben -- Ben Arnold Chester, UK e: ben at seawolfsanctuary.com @ benarnold at fsfe.org w: seawolfsanctuary.com | linkedin.com/in/benarnold nom = { :cookies => :mouth } nom; nom; nom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pays £22,000 and is | local(ish) Sounds awfully similar (though of a shorter description) to one I applied for on Thursday... the 21st... bah! -- Ben Arnold Chester, UK e: ben at seawolfsanctuary.com @ benarnold at fsfe.org w: seawolfsanctuary.com | linkedin.com/in/benarnold nom = { :cookies => :mouth } nom; nom; nom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 316 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smedley358 at btinternet.com Mon Oct 25 22:56:10 2010 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:56:10 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Anybody got a small basic notebook they want to sell on, or knows how to convert PhotoShop PSD files to something more manageable? In-Reply-To: <4CC5F807.4060406@talktalk.net> References: <4CC5F807.4060406@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <4CC60B01.6050105@btinternet.com> On 25/10/10 22:35, Roger Gibson wrote: > I'm still waiting for the ideal 'smallish' notebook. The sort of thing > to pop in a (big-poachers?) pocket, My 1995 Butterfly ThinkPad will fit into a poacher's pocket :) > and man enough to do short sessions > of document spreadsheet management, as well as Thunderbird and a > browser. Unfortunately MS Publisher compatibility is pretty desirable. > A lap top is just too big to keep carrying on a plane etc, now that hold > baggage is at a premium, and I pack everything in an acceptable sized bag. Sony's Vaio P will fit into a jacket pocket or medium handbag, and packs many pixels into a small space... > Until all the 'must haves' come along in one small cost effective box - > decent screen in daylight, effective keyboard, long battery life, dual > boot, etc ... I might wait for ever, but if anyone has an idle one > lurking that will sort of do, and is willing to part with it for some > cash, please bring it along on Thursday. I'll not use it a lot, but > when I do it will save a big chunk of baggage. ...I won't be around on Thursday, but my Samsung NC10 [1] has near 5hr battery (8 with bigger battery pack), reasonable screen and keyboard, dual core, can triple boot MacOS, GNU and even MS Windows if you need MS Publisher. > Another question. Is there an effective way to convert PhotoShop PSD > files into a more manageable DTP system? I've been given some brochures > to update, and the previous author for some reason used Photoshop, > (massive overkill) and I would like to turn them into a more user > friendly format, and again Publisher is what folks use. As long as MS > effectively give away software to Charities, I'm on a loser trying to > convince folks otherwise. I was sent a PSD file last year with 147 layers - as GIMP and Photoshop don't quite treat them the same, I had rather an unpleasant time trying to retrieve what the client needed :-/ As to talking to charities, the boards of governance need to be educated to effective IT strategy. I hope to resurrect my IT Strategy courses for VCOs in the new year :-) - Richard [1] A 2nd hand bargain, but worth the money new, too. -- Richard Smedley Social Media & Accessible Web for small Orgs http://GoodGNUs.org/courses http://twitter.com/RichardSmedley Sustainable 3rd Sector IT http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardsmedley http://identi.ca/richardsmedley/ From smedley358 at btinternet.com Mon Oct 25 22:58:01 2010 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:58:01 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Anybody got a small basic notebook they want to sell on, or knows how to convert PhotoShop PSD files to something more manageable? In-Reply-To: <4CC5F807.4060406@talktalk.net> References: <4CC5F807.4060406@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <4CC60B72.8080107@btinternet.com> On 25/10/10 22:35, Roger Gibson wrote: > Until all the 'must haves' come along in one small cost effective box - > decent screen in daylight, effective keyboard, long battery life, dual > boot, etc ... I might wait for ever, but if anyone has an idle one > lurking that will sort of do, and is willing to part with it for some > cash, please bring it along on Thursday. I'll not use it a lot, but > when I do it will save a big chunk of baggage. Another alternative is an Android tablet, say the 5in Dell Streak, and a bluetooth (folding) keyboard - but MS Publisher compatibility may then be limited to VPN access to a suitable box? - Richard From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 12:34:01 2010 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:34:01 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Chester LUG Meet - Thursday Message-ID: I know it's been mentioned in other emails but this is a reminder that the next LUG social is this Thursday at 7pm at the Bear and Billet (top floor). We have a couple of talks happening: "Managing logical volumes" - Stuart "Building a cheap backup system" - Me See you there Les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:19:30 +0100 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Chester LUG] Cheap quad port ethernet cards Hi, Does anyone know where I can find an inexpensive quad port ethernet card. PCI-X. I really don't want to end up paying £316 for the intel one Regards Stuart _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 22:22:09 2010 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:22:09 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Cheap quad port ethernet cards In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hiya, That looks a mighty keen price. However its PIX. PIX = Older gauntlet style firewall. Therefore it prolly has some mad ass Cisco firmware on the card. Id snap yer hand off for a 4 port standard intel card. 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(dh at iucr.org) From biglynchy at gmail.com Thu Oct 28 18:02:55 2010 From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:02:55 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Monthly Meet In-Reply-To: <4CC9B73E.1040801@iucr.org> References: <4CC9B73E.1040801@iucr.org> Message-ID: Excellent thanks. With any luck I won't get lost between the two then, I dunno though, if anyone can get lost in the space 100 yards it's probably me. See you in a bit :) Dan On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 6:47 PM, David Holden wrote: > Its' about 100 yards down the road. > > Dave. > > > On 28/10/10 18:35, Dan Lynch wrote: > > Alright folks, > > > > I'll be along in an hour for the meeting (about 7:30) I'm just getting > > something to eat before jumping into the car. How far is the Bear And > > Billet from the old location? I haven't been there before and I'm > > wondering where to park. Many thanks, see you soon :) > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Thu Oct 28 18:54:43 2010 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:54:43 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Monthly Meet In-Reply-To: References: , <4CC9B73E.1040801@iucr.org>, Message-ID: I had actually hoped to be attending this month. My wife and the kids were at a Hallowe'en party and the car was finally fixed (as of this morning). All was hopeful until my son vomited everywhere and had to be picked up. So now I'm at home babysitting a sick 3 year old.... Meh. Paul Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:02:48 +0100 From: biglynchy at gmail.com To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Monthly Meet Excellent thanks. With any luck I won't get lost between the two then, I dunno though, if anyone can get lost in the space 100 yards it's probably me. See you in a bit :) Dan On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 6:47 PM, David Holden wrote: Its' about 100 yards down the road. Dave. On 28/10/10 18:35, Dan Lynch wrote: > Alright folks, > > I'll be along in an hour for the meeting (about 7:30) I'm just getting > something to eat before jumping into the car. How far is the Bear And > Billet from the old location? I haven't been there before and I'm > wondering where to park. Many thanks, see you soon :) > > Dan > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nev at nevstah.co.uk Fri Oct 22 10:21:33 2010 From: nev at nevstah.co.uk (Nev) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:21:33 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] hello In-Reply-To: References: <23D9B591-3F0B-49C2-99F0-F1BFC7BFDCEC@nevstah.co.uk> Message-ID: <4CC165A8.4000106@nevstah.co.uk> hi thanks for the welcomes :) i'm about 20 miles from chester, so not too bad. i wont be making this months meeting as i'm supposed to be doing a ccna course in manchester! but maybe next time. it may be slightly further, but i think chester is much easier to get to for me than alsager i've not come across iRedMail before, so i cant say i know anything about it. i accept mail for multiple domains, but they are not separate in any way and all users are real users, not virtual. so user 1 can receive mail sent to user1 at example1.com and also user1 at example2.com. i know its a bit messy, but it suits my needs for the time being. needless to say i'll help if i can! btw whats wrong with my headers that the mailing list doesnt like? my email was held, reason: Message has a suspicious header cheers nev On 21/10/10 15:49, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi Nev, > > Welcome along to the LUG! A bit of a drive for you to the meets I > suppose, but hopefully we'll see you at one of them. > > In the meantime enjoy the list. > > Les > > On 20 October 2010 12:42, Nev > wrote: > > hi all > > just joined the list so thought I would introduce myself! > > live near Whitchurch and have been admining various Linux servers > for quite a few years now though don't consider myself an expert > > Ive worked on sun cobalt raq550 and quartz, along with ubuntu > server and desktop. mostly familiar with postfix dovecot courier > apache dhcp pptp bind proftp ssh samba mailscanner/spamassassin > etc! I'm sure I've missed bits off but you get the idea > > cheers > > nev > > Sent from my iPhone > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.