From mrcrilly at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 00:20:20 2011
From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:20:20 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Greetings
Message-ID: <1AD498DB-E3F4-4394-A13F-363D60EA22D4@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I know I've been inactive from the LUG for quite some time now, but it's about time I got back into things. The main reason for me becoming more inactive on the LUG was because I moved away from Linux quite a lot. That has changed recently with a new job in IT (which is primarily Linux based) and I also miss the monthly meets. So, when is the next meet? End of January I assume?

I hope everyone had a great Christmas and a good new year.

Regards,

Mike.


From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 21:50:04 2011
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:50:04 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Greetings
In-Reply-To: <1AD498DB-E3F4-4394-A13F-363D60EA22D4@gmail.com>
References: <1AD498DB-E3F4-4394-A13F-363D60EA22D4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin+F43+HJ5fYz-q2AKENnfHTGdOBQ_-4BCWXSyw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

Welcome back :-) Congratulations on the new job, glad to hear you've managed
to get a job working with Linux.

The next meet will be on the 27th at the Bear and Billet, we meet on the top
floor. There's WIFI access there so feel free to bring a laptop along.

Happy new year to everyone by the way!

Les

On 3 January 2011 00:18, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I know I've been inactive from the LUG for quite some time now, but it's
> about time I got back into things. The main reason for me becoming more
> inactive on the LUG was because I moved away from Linux quite a lot. That
> has changed recently with a new job in IT (which is primarily Linux based)
> and I also miss the monthly meets. So, when is the next meet? End of January
> I assume?
>
> I hope everyone had a great Christmas and a good new year.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike.
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 22:34:40 2011
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:34:40 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] A handy little gadget
Message-ID: <AANLkTinuUUiA8=LvyuYv7R3k1jfmrFshrkVc1Z3kushb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I've found a handy little device to save burning off endless ISOs of the
latest distros. It's called the i-Odd (yes another 'i' device) and it works
very simply. It's a USB HDD enclosure that you add a 2.5" SATA drive. It
appears as a USB drive and you copy all of your ISOs into a _iso directory.
Using the small menu on the device you select an ISO file and it then
appears as a USB CDROM on your system. I got one a couple of weeks ago and
it's been very handy already.

I got mine from Linitx - http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=12726

Les
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From rcgibson at talktalk.net  Thu Jan  6 22:52:34 2011
From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 22:52:34 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] GRUB2
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinuUUiA8=LvyuYv7R3k1jfmrFshrkVc1Z3kushb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinuUUiA8=LvyuYv7R3k1jfmrFshrkVc1Z3kushb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D26473C.1000406@talktalk.net>

Using Ubuntu 10.10  dual booted with windooze7 and having probs with 
GRUB2.  When I install UBUNTU alongside Windoze7, the installation finds 
Windoze OK and it comes up in the boot menu (Disc had already been 
repartitioned).

However if I apply UBUNTU updates, GRUB loses Windoze7, and I can't see 
an easy way to keep it.  In fact if I do a sudo update-grub immediately 
after installing, it does not find the Windoze7 OS.  I think I can see a 
workaround by putting an explicit Windoze line in grub.d/40_xxxx, or is 
that the official way anyway.

What I don't understand is how UBUNTU 10.10 can see the Windoze7 OS at 
installation, put it into the boot menu, but then not see it later on.

Another bug I've found, and still not fixed concerns Thunderbird.  With 
earlier versions of LINUX OSes I've had no problem directing Thunderbird 
to the same set of data files via profile.ini as I use with Windoze.  
However, every now and again it jams in either UBUNTU or Windoze.  It's 
as if a new flag has been introduced, and if Thunderbird does not shut 
down cleanly, a restart from elsewhere gets upset.

Any ideas?  Roger.





From rcgibson at talktalk.net  Fri Jan  7 11:17:17 2011
From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:17:17 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] GRUB2
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinuFKVJdgEsW2Whn=cMUEkvCwpgN1uz8De_0D9v@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinuUUiA8=LvyuYv7R3k1jfmrFshrkVc1Z3kushb@mail.gmail.com>	<4D26473C.1000406@talktalk.net>
	<AANLkTinuFKVJdgEsW2Whn=cMUEkvCwpgN1uz8De_0D9v@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D26F5C4.6060500@talktalk.net>

Thanks.  I have several partitions (deliberate choice) so will learn to 
live with this.  I can get round it by editing grub.cfg, not 'legal' but 
it seems to work.  I presume someone is looking to solve this grub2 
issue.  Roger

On 07/01/2011 08:02, Marcus Jones wrote:
> Hi Roger,
>
> The boot problem is a documented problem with GRUB2. If you have more 
> than 2 partitions, GRUB2 seems to loose the Windows one every time.
>
> Whilst you may think you only have 2 partitions, quite often there are 
> actually 2 to do with Windows alone. I think one is a legacy Vista 
> boot loader or something.
>
> Have a look at your partitions with gParted or some similar partition 
> manager. There is probably a small partition there you can actually 
> delete.
>
> Been there, got the headache to prove it!
>
> Cheers
>
> Marcus
>
>
> On 6 January 2011 22:50, Roger Gibson <rcgibson at talktalk.net 
> <mailto:rcgibson at talktalk.net>> wrote:
>
>     Using Ubuntu 10.10  dual booted with windooze7 and having probs
>     with GRUB2.  When I install UBUNTU alongside Windoze7, the
>     installation finds Windoze OK and it comes up in the boot menu
>     (Disc had already been repartitioned).
>
>     However if I apply UBUNTU updates, GRUB loses Windoze7, and I
>     can't see an easy way to keep it.  In fact if I do a sudo
>     update-grub immediately after installing, it does not find the
>     Windoze7 OS.  I think I can see a workaround by putting an
>     explicit Windoze line in grub.d/40_xxxx, or is that the official
>     way anyway.
>
>     What I don't understand is how UBUNTU 10.10 can see the Windoze7
>     OS at installation, put it into the boot menu, but then not see it
>     later on.
>
>     Another bug I've found, and still not fixed concerns Thunderbird.
>      With earlier versions of LINUX OSes I've had no problem directing
>     Thunderbird to the same set of data files via profile.ini as I use
>     with Windoze.  However, every now and again it jams in either
>     UBUNTU or Windoze.  It's as if a new flag has been introduced, and
>     if Thunderbird does not shut down cleanly, a restart from
>     elsewhere gets upset.
>
>     Any ideas?  Roger.
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Sun Jan  9 22:24:28 2011
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 22:24:28 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Anyone want a data centre quality PDU ?
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Uca3V-XiqvkbkqjYp+q2fiUDV8Mv8VbEsDJfn@mail.gmail.com>

As per title, I have a new PDU installed and therefore have a rack mount PDU
if anyone wants it. If not, here comes the tip. The other end is also a
13amp fused supply.

It doesnt have an RCD as it was designed for data centre use with clean
power.

Regards

Stu
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From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk  Sun Jan  9 22:52:01 2011
From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 22:52:01 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Anyone want a data centre quality PDU ?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Uca3V-XiqvkbkqjYp+q2fiUDV8Mv8VbEsDJfn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Uca3V-XiqvkbkqjYp+q2fiUDV8Mv8VbEsDJfn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU162-w3002E51F081F1A9A708023C50D0@phx.gbl>


I have absolutely no idea what that is.  Sounds technical.

Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:22:22 +0000
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com
To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [Chester LUG] Anyone want a data centre quality PDU ?

As per title, I have a new PDU installed and therefore have a rack mount PDU if anyone wants it. If not, here comes the tip. The other end is also a 13amp fused supply. 

It doesnt have an RCD as it was designed for data centre use with clean power.


Regards

Stu


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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 07:33:10 2011
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:33:10 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Anyone want a data centre quality PDU ?
In-Reply-To: <BLU162-w3002E51F081F1A9A708023C50D0@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTi=Uca3V-XiqvkbkqjYp+q2fiUDV8Mv8VbEsDJfn@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU162-w3002E51F081F1A9A708023C50D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4765331997508151025@unknownmsgid>

Its nowt too technical. Just a kibda fancy 4 way adapter with some
interesting stuff built into it.




On 9 Jan 2011, at 22:50, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> I have absolutely no idea what that is.  Sounds technical.
>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:22:22 +0000
> From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com
> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Chester LUG] Anyone want a data centre quality PDU ?
>
> As per title, I have a new PDU installed and therefore have a rack
> mount PDU if anyone wants it. If not, here comes the tip. The other
> end is also a 13amp fused supply.
>
> It doesnt have an RCD as it was designed for data centre use with
> clean power.
>
> Regards
>
> Stu
>
> _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>  https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester



From mrcrilly at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 08:55:04 2011
From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:55:04 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Anyone want a data centre quality PDU ?
In-Reply-To: <4765331997508151025@unknownmsgid>
References: <AANLkTi=Uca3V-XiqvkbkqjYp+q2fiUDV8Mv8VbEsDJfn@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU162-w3002E51F081F1A9A708023C50D0@phx.gbl>
	<4765331997508151025@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <6F6183B4-ED2F-46D3-BF9D-575D73F73C52@gmail.com>

Could probably use it at work, but I'm not sure. I'll forward the e-mail on to the man who will know.

Cheers,

Mike.

On 10 Jan 2011, at 07:30, Stuart Burns wrote:

> Its nowt too technical. Just a kibda fancy 4 way adapter with some
> interesting stuff built into it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 Jan 2011, at 22:50, Paul Williams <wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> I have absolutely no idea what that is.  Sounds technical.
>> 
>> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 22:22:22 +0000
>> From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com
>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> Subject: [Chester LUG] Anyone want a data centre quality PDU ?
>> 
>> As per title, I have a new PDU installed and therefore have a rack
>> mount PDU if anyone wants it. If not, here comes the tip. The other
>> end is also a 13amp fused supply.
>> 
>> It doesnt have an RCD as it was designed for data centre use with
>> clean power.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Stu
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester




From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 20:05:42 2011
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 20:05:42 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Information Security talk & LUG Meet
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=j6Gv1GPFwyHD+6uqS1tWqPS2dXrmS9ptmTm65@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Just thought I should post this event here in case you're in Chester
tomorrow night and haven't got anything better to do! I'm going to be giving
a talk on Information Security and ISO 27001 for the BCS at Chester Uni (in
the same building we've had technical meets at). More info at
http://www.bcs.org/content/conWebDoc/38570 starts at 7 with coffee and
biscuits from 6.30.

Of more relevance to the group; there's also going to be a Linux on the
Desktop event on March 16th with the world famous Dan Lynch speaking (you
can buy me a pint for that one Dan ;-)
The idea of the event will be to promote Linux as a viable desktop OS and it
would be really good to have some demos of as many desktop environments as
possible. So get polishing your desktops and bring them along to show off
please!

Whilst I'm emailing it's worth reminding that the next LUG meet is next
Thursday (27th) at the usual location.

See you there.

Les
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 21:16:19 2011
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:16:19 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Information Security talk & LUG Meet
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=j6Gv1GPFwyHD+6uqS1tWqPS2dXrmS9ptmTm65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=j6Gv1GPFwyHD+6uqS1tWqPS2dXrmS9ptmTm65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <-5229036637063430759@unknownmsgid>

Love to go but stuck in a huge datacenter in exeter installing a 192 cpu
vmware cluster!




On 18 Jan 2011, at 20:03, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Just thought I should post this event here in case you're in Chester
tomorrow night and haven't got anything better to do! I'm going to be giving
a talk on Information Security and ISO 27001 for the BCS at Chester Uni (in
the same building we've had technical meets at). More info at
http://www.bcs.org/content/conWebDoc/38570 starts at 7 with coffee and
biscuits from 6.30.

Of more relevance to the group; there's also going to be a Linux on the
Desktop event on March 16th with the world famous Dan Lynch speaking (you
can buy me a pint for that one Dan ;-)
The idea of the event will be to promote Linux as a viable desktop OS and it
would be really good to have some demos of as many desktop environments as
possible. So get polishing your desktops and bring them along to show off
please!

Whilst I'm emailing it's worth reminding that the next LUG meet is next
Thursday (27th) at the usual location.

See you there.

Les

_______________________________________________
Chester mailing list
Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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From mrcrilly at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 22:52:08 2011
From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:52:08 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Information Security talk & LUG Meet
In-Reply-To: <-5229036637063430759@unknownmsgid>
References: <AANLkTi=j6Gv1GPFwyHD+6uqS1tWqPS2dXrmS9ptmTm65@mail.gmail.com>
	<-5229036637063430759@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <4D3618EC.2090501@gmail.com>

Lucky sod, Stuart.

Les, I will be there. I'll go straight from work, although I'm not sure 
what the traffic will like from Deeside to Chester after 6PM. Any ideas?

I'll bring the Mac, but no Linux on it sadly - it's too shiny for that.

See you later.

- Mike.

On 18/01/2011 21:13, Stuart Burns wrote:
> Love to go but stuck in a huge datacenter in exeter installing a 192 
> cpu vmware cluster!
>
>
>
>
> On 18 Jan 2011, at 20:03, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com 
> <mailto:les.pritchard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just thought I should post this event here in case you're in Chester 
>> tomorrow night and haven't got anything better to do! I'm going to be 
>> giving a talk on Information Security and ISO 27001 for the BCS at 
>> Chester Uni (in the same building we've had technical meets at). More 
>> info at http://www.bcs.org/content/conWebDoc/38570 starts at 7 with 
>> coffee and biscuits from 6.30.
>>
>> Of more relevance to the group; there's also going to be a Linux on 
>> the Desktop event on March 16th with the world famous Dan Lynch 
>> speaking (you can buy me a pint for that one Dan ;-)
>> The idea of the event will be to promote Linux as a viable desktop OS 
>> and it would be really good to have some demos of as many desktop 
>> environments as possible. So get polishing your desktops and bring 
>> them along to show off please!
>>
>> Whilst I'm emailing it's worth reminding that the next LUG meet is 
>> next Thursday (27th) at the usual location.
>>
>> See you there.
>>
>> Les
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 09:19:56 2011
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:19:56 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Information Security talk & LUG Meet
In-Reply-To: <4D3618EC.2090501@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=j6Gv1GPFwyHD+6uqS1tWqPS2dXrmS9ptmTm65@mail.gmail.com>
	<-5229036637063430759@unknownmsgid> <4D3618EC.2090501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <-9054226147492014163@unknownmsgid>

Best not tell you about the IBM mainframe then  ;)




On 18 Jan 2011, at 22:49, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com> wrote:

Lucky sod, Stuart.

Les, I will be there. I'll go straight from work, although I'm not sure what
the traffic will like from Deeside to Chester after 6PM. Any ideas?

I'll bring the Mac, but no Linux on it sadly - it's too shiny for that.

See you later.

- Mike.

On 18/01/2011 21:13, Stuart Burns wrote:

Love to go but stuck in a huge datacenter in exeter installing a 192 cpu
vmware cluster!




On 18 Jan 2011, at 20:03, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:

 Hi,

 Just thought I should post this event here in case you're in Chester
tomorrow night and haven't got anything better to do! I'm going to be giving
a talk on Information Security and ISO 27001 for the BCS at Chester Uni (in
the same building we've had technical meets at). More info at
http://www.bcs.org/content/conWebDoc/38570 starts at 7 with coffee and
biscuits from 6.30.

 Of more relevance to the group; there's also going to be a Linux on the
Desktop event on March 16th with the world famous Dan Lynch speaking (you
can buy me a pint for that one Dan ;-)
 The idea of the event will be to promote Linux as a viable desktop OS and
it would be really good to have some demos of as many desktop environments
as possible. So get polishing your desktops and bring them along to show off
please!

 Whilst I'm emailing it's worth reminding that the next LUG meet is next
Thursday (27th) at the usual location.

 See you there.

 Les

 _______________________________________________
Chester mailing list
Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester


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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 10:07:49 2011
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:07:49 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Information Security talk & LUG Meet
In-Reply-To: <-9054226147492014163@unknownmsgid>
References: <AANLkTi=j6Gv1GPFwyHD+6uqS1tWqPS2dXrmS9ptmTm65@mail.gmail.com>
	<-5229036637063430759@unknownmsgid> <4D3618EC.2090501@gmail.com>
	<-9054226147492014163@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=TWE36PNZPBeB4jwyzhMDiTOOx86P1AkadYMBT@mail.gmail.com>

...and it's all just used for SETI at Home :-)

On 19 January 2011 09:16, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Best not tell you about the IBM mainframe then  ;)
>
>
>
>
> On 18 Jan 2011, at 22:49, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lucky sod, Stuart.
>
> Les, I will be there. I'll go straight from work, although I'm not sure
> what the traffic will like from Deeside to Chester after 6PM. Any ideas?
>
> I'll bring the Mac, but no Linux on it sadly - it's too shiny for that.
>
> See you later.
>
> - Mike.
>
> On 18/01/2011 21:13, Stuart Burns wrote:
>
> Love to go but stuck in a huge datacenter in exeter installing a 192 cpu
> vmware cluster!
>
>
>
>
> On 18 Jan 2011, at 20:03, Les Pritchard < <les.pritchard at gmail.com>
> les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>
>  Just thought I should post this event here in case you're in Chester
> tomorrow night and haven't got anything better to do! I'm going to be giving
> a talk on Information Security and ISO 27001 for the BCS at Chester Uni (in
> the same building we've had technical meets at). More info at <http://www.bcs.org/content/conWebDoc/38570>
> http://www.bcs.org/content/conWebDoc/38570 starts at 7 with coffee and
> biscuits from 6.30.
>
>  Of more relevance to the group; there's also going to be a Linux on the
> Desktop event on March 16th with the world famous Dan Lynch speaking (you
> can buy me a pint for that one Dan ;-)
>  The idea of the event will be to promote Linux as a viable desktop OS and
> it would be really good to have some demos of as many desktop environments
> as possible. So get polishing your desktops and bring them along to show off
> please!
>
>  Whilst I'm emailing it's worth reminding that the next LUG meet is next
> Thursday (27th) at the usual location.
>
>  See you there.
>
>  Les
>
>  _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
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From mrcrilly at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 10:09:05 2011
From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:09:05 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Information Security talk & LUG Meet
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I thought it would have been used for a World of Warcraft server. Silly me.



On 19/01/2011 10:05, Les Pritchard wrote:
> ...and it's all just used for SETI at Home :-)
>
> On 19 January 2011 09:16, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com 
> <mailto:stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Best not tell you about the IBM mainframe then  ;)
>
>
>
>
>     On 18 Jan 2011, at 22:49, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mrcrilly at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>>     Lucky sod, Stuart.
>>
>>     Les, I will be there. I'll go straight from work, although I'm
>>     not sure what the traffic will like from Deeside to Chester after
>>     6PM. Any ideas?
>>
>>     I'll bring the Mac, but no Linux on it sadly - it's too shiny for
>>     that.
>>
>>     See you later.
>>
>>     - Mike.
>>
>>     On 18/01/2011 21:13, Stuart Burns wrote:
>>>     Love to go but stuck in a huge datacenter in exeter installing a
>>>     192 cpu vmware cluster!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 18 Jan 2011, at 20:03, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:les.pritchard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>     Hi,
>>>>
>>>>     Just thought I should post this event here in case you're in
>>>>     Chester tomorrow night and haven't got anything better to do!
>>>>     I'm going to be giving a talk on Information Security and ISO
>>>>     27001 for the BCS at Chester Uni (in the same building we've
>>>>     had technical meets at). More info at
>>>>     http://www.bcs.org/content/conWebDoc/38570 starts at 7 with
>>>>     coffee and biscuits from 6.30.
>>>>
>>>>     Of more relevance to the group; there's also going to be a
>>>>     Linux on the Desktop event on March 16th with the world famous
>>>>     Dan Lynch speaking (you can buy me a pint for that one Dan ;-)
>>>>     The idea of the event will be to promote Linux as a viable
>>>>     desktop OS and it would be really good to have some demos of as
>>>>     many desktop environments as possible. So get polishing your
>>>>     desktops and bring them along to show off please!
>>>>
>>>>     Whilst I'm emailing it's worth reminding that the next LUG meet
>>>>     is next Thursday (27th) at the usual location.
>>>>
>>>>     See you there.
>>>>
>>>>     Les
>>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>>     Chester mailing list
>>>>     Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>>>>     https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>>
>>>
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 13:41:44 2011
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:41:44 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Information Security talk & LUG Meet
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Tbh its the first time I have seen it. You expect some huge Cray type thing.
Its about the size of two racks side by side. Its the tape and disk cabs
that tale the room. (tens of metres of them)

Its used for running dozens of websphere instances and data warehousing
stuff.




On 19 Jan 2011, at 10:06, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com> wrote:

I thought it would have been used for a World of Warcraft server. Silly me.



On 19/01/2011 10:05, Les Pritchard wrote:

...and it's all just used for SETI at Home :-)

On 19 January 2011 09:16, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Best not tell you about the IBM mainframe then  ;)
>
>
>
>
> On 18 Jan 2011, at 22:49, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   Lucky sod, Stuart.
>
> Les, I will be there. I'll go straight from work, although I'm not sure
> what the traffic will like from Deeside to Chester after 6PM. Any ideas?
>
> I'll bring the Mac, but no Linux on it sadly - it's too shiny for that.
>
> See you later.
>
> - Mike.
>
> On 18/01/2011 21:13, Stuart Burns wrote:
>
> Love to go but stuck in a huge datacenter in exeter installing a 192 cpu
> vmware cluster!
>
>
>
>
> On 18 Jan 2011, at 20:03, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>
>  Just thought I should post this event here in case you're in Chester
> tomorrow night and haven't got anything better to do! I'm going to be giving
> a talk on Information Security and ISO 27001 for the BCS at Chester Uni (in
> the same building we've had technical meets at). More info at
> http://www.bcs.org/content/conWebDoc/38570 starts at 7 with coffee and
> biscuits from 6.30.
>
>  Of more relevance to the group; there's also going to be a Linux on the
> Desktop event on March 16th with the world famous Dan Lynch speaking (you
> can buy me a pint for that one Dan ;-)
>  The idea of the event will be to promote Linux as a viable desktop OS and
> it would be really good to have some demos of as many desktop environments
> as possible. So get polishing your desktops and bring them along to show off
> please!
>
>  Whilst I'm emailing it's worth reminding that the next LUG meet is next
> Thursday (27th) at the usual location.
>
>  See you there.
>
>  Les
>
>  _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing listChester at mailman.lug.org.ukhttps://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>   _______________________________________________
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> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
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>
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From les at chesterlug.org.uk  Wed Jan 19 16:30:08 2011
From: les at chesterlug.org.uk (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 16:30:08 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Information Security talk & LUG Meet
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That's the problem with modern servers / clusters - they just don't look
exciting enough! I think Sun were the last people to do servers that looked
like they cost loads, but even they didn't have people in white jackets and
clipboards walking around it :-)

On 19 January 2011 13:38, Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tbh its the first time I have seen it. You expect some huge Cray type
> thing. Its about the size of two racks side by side. Its the tape and disk
> cabs that tale the room. (tens of metres of them)
>
> Its used for running dozens of websphere instances and data warehousing
> stuff.
>
>
>
>
> On 19 Jan 2011, at 10:06, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I thought it would have been used for a World of Warcraft server. Silly me.
>
>
>
> On 19/01/2011 10:05, Les Pritchard wrote:
>
> ...and it's all just used for SETI at Home :-)
>
> On 19 January 2011 09:16, Stuart Burns < <stuart.james.burns at gmail.com>
> stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Best not tell you about the IBM mainframe then  ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18 Jan 2011, at 22:49, Michael Crilly < <mrcrilly at gmail.com>
>> mrcrilly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Lucky sod, Stuart.
>>
>> Les, I will be there. I'll go straight from work, although I'm not sure
>> what the traffic will like from Deeside to Chester after 6PM. Any ideas?
>>
>> I'll bring the Mac, but no Linux on it sadly - it's too shiny for that.
>>
>> See you later.
>>
>> - Mike.
>>
>> On 18/01/2011 21:13, Stuart Burns wrote:
>>
>> Love to go but stuck in a huge datacenter in exeter installing a 192 cpu
>> vmware cluster!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18 Jan 2011, at 20:03, Les Pritchard < <les.pritchard at gmail.com>
>> les.pritchard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi,
>>
>>  Just thought I should post this event here in case you're in Chester
>> tomorrow night and haven't got anything better to do! I'm going to be giving
>> a talk on Information Security and ISO 27001 for the BCS at Chester Uni (in
>> the same building we've had technical meets at). More info at <http://www.bcs.org/content/conWebDoc/38570>
>> http://www.bcs.org/content/conWebDoc/38570 starts at 7 with coffee and
>> biscuits from 6.30.
>>
>>  Of more relevance to the group; there's also going to be a Linux on the
>> Desktop event on March 16th with the world famous Dan Lynch speaking (you
>> can buy me a pint for that one Dan ;-)
>>  The idea of the event will be to promote Linux as a viable desktop OS and
>> it would be really good to have some demos of as many desktop environments
>> as possible. So get polishing your desktops and bring them along to show off
>> please!
>>
>>  Whilst I'm emailing it's worth reminding that the next LUG meet is next
>> Thursday (27th) at the usual location.
>>
>>  See you there.
>>
>>  Les
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>>  <Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>  <https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester>
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>
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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 22:07:44 2011
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:07:44 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder
Message-ID: <AANLkTikdHy15C7sEr=hzyd3td_HLje9xm4HWivSvR-pg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

Just a quick reminder the LUG is this Thursday! Ill be there about 7 I
think!


Regards

Stu
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From mrcrilly at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 09:19:21 2011
From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:19:21 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder
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Yep, I will be there too. I should be able to attend everyone now as I'm 
moving squadrons in cadets (hopefully), which will result in my 
Thursdays becoming free.

I'll be coming straight from work.

On 25/01/2011 22:04, Stuart Burns wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just a quick reminder the LUG is this Thursday! Ill be there about 7 I 
> think!
>
>
> Regards
>
> Stu
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From biglynchy at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 10:28:19 2011
From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:28:19 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder
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Sorry folks can't make it this month, in the middle of moving house and got
tons to sort out obviously. I will be back soon though, I'm determined. Have
a great night and that talk sounds great. Hopefully someone can record it.

See ya,

Dan



On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Yep, I will be there too. I should be able to attend everyone now as I'm
> moving squadrons in cadets (hopefully), which will result in my Thursdays
> becoming free.
>
> I'll be coming straight from work.
>
>
> On 25/01/2011 22:04, Stuart Burns wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just a quick reminder the LUG is this Thursday! Ill be there about 7 I
> think!
>
>
> Regards
>
> Stu
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mrcrilly at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 10:48:26 2011
From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:48:26 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder
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What talk?

On 26/01/2011 10:25, Dan Lynch wrote:
> Sorry folks can't make it this month, in the middle of moving house 
> and got tons to sort out obviously. I will be back soon though, I'm 
> determined. Have a great night and that talk sounds great. Hopefully 
> someone can record it.
>
> See ya,
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com 
> <mailto:mrcrilly at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Yep, I will be there too. I should be able to attend everyone now
>     as I'm moving squadrons in cadets (hopefully), which will result
>     in my Thursdays becoming free.
>
>     I'll be coming straight from work.
>
>
>     On 25/01/2011 22:04, Stuart Burns wrote:
>>     Hi Everyone,
>>
>>     Just a quick reminder the LUG is this Thursday! Ill be there
>>     about 7 I think!
>>
>>
>>     Regards
>>
>>     Stu
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Chester mailing list
>>     Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk  <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>>     https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
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From biglynchy at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 10:55:40 2011
From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:55:40 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder
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Didn't Les post something about a talk in his email? A security/networking
talk I think it was. It was last week some time I seem to remember.

Maybe I imagined it :)

Dan


On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com> wrote:

>  What talk?
>
>
> On 26/01/2011 10:25, Dan Lynch wrote:
>
> Sorry folks can't make it this month, in the middle of moving house and got
> tons to sort out obviously. I will be back soon though, I'm determined. Have
> a great night and that talk sounds great. Hopefully someone can record it.
>
> See ya,
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  Yep, I will be there too. I should be able to attend everyone now as I'm
>> moving squadrons in cadets (hopefully), which will result in my Thursdays
>> becoming free.
>>
>> I'll be coming straight from work.
>>
>>
>> On 25/01/2011 22:04, Stuart Burns wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Just a quick reminder the LUG is this Thursday! Ill be there about 7 I
>> think!
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Stu
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing listChester at mailman.lug.org.ukhttps://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>
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From mrcrilly at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 10:56:23 2011
From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:56:23 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikaAZReH8U5LxQGJumhBjrksFuMeVtKH-NmHXbO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikdHy15C7sEr=hzyd3td_HLje9xm4HWivSvR-pg@mail.gmail.com>	<4D3FE64B.2040504@gmail.com>	<AANLkTikUndqR8hsLQ27UwbOpHih90QjcRUJ71XaU6Tts@mail.gmail.com>	<4D3FFB33.3040901@gmail.com>
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Oooh yeah. I was meant to go, but I was mega tired after work.

On 26/01/2011 10:52, Dan Lynch wrote:
> Didn't Les post something about a talk in his email? A 
> security/networking talk I think it was. It was last week some time I 
> seem to remember.
>
> Maybe I imagined it :)
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com 
> <mailto:mrcrilly at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     What talk?
>
>
>     On 26/01/2011 10:25, Dan Lynch wrote:
>>     Sorry folks can't make it this month, in the middle of moving
>>     house and got tons to sort out obviously. I will be back soon
>>     though, I'm determined. Have a great night and that talk sounds
>>     great. Hopefully someone can record it.
>>
>>     See ya,
>>
>>     Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Michael Crilly
>>     <mrcrilly at gmail.com <mailto:mrcrilly at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Yep, I will be there too. I should be able to attend everyone
>>         now as I'm moving squadrons in cadets (hopefully), which will
>>         result in my Thursdays becoming free.
>>
>>         I'll be coming straight from work.
>>
>>
>>         On 25/01/2011 22:04, Stuart Burns wrote:
>>>         Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>>         Just a quick reminder the LUG is this Thursday! Ill be there
>>>         about 7 I think!
>>>
>>>
>>>         Regards
>>>
>>>         Stu
>>>
>>>
>>>         _______________________________________________
>>>         Chester mailing list
>>>         Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk  <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>>>         https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>         _______________________________________________
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>>         Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>>         https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Chester mailing list
>>     Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk  <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>>     https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>     _______________________________________________
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>     https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 12:04:11 2011
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:04:11 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikaAZReH8U5LxQGJumhBjrksFuMeVtKH-NmHXbO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikdHy15C7sEr=hzyd3td_HLje9xm4HWivSvR-pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3FE64B.2040504@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikUndqR8hsLQ27UwbOpHih90QjcRUJ71XaU6Tts@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3FFB33.3040901@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikaAZReH8U5LxQGJumhBjrksFuMeVtKH-NmHXbO@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Dan,

That was a talk for the BCS last week unfortunately. If enough people
are interested I'm happy to talk about the topic at a LUG meet
sometime.

Les

On Wednesday, 26 January 2011, Dan Lynch <biglynchy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Didn't Les post something about a talk in his email? A security/networking talk I think it was. It was last week some time I seem to remember.
>
> Maybe I imagined it :)
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>     What talk?
>
>     On 26/01/2011 10:25, Dan Lynch wrote:
>     Sorry folks can't make it this month, in the middle of
>       moving house and got tons to sort out obviously. I will be back
>       soon though, I'm determined. Have a great night and that talk
>       sounds great. Hopefully someone can record it.
>
>       See ya,
>
>       Dan
>
>
>
>       On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Michael
>         Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com>
>         wrote:
>
>            Yep, I will be there
>             too. I should be able to attend everyone now as I'm moving
>             squadrons in cadets (hopefully), which will result in my
>             Thursdays becoming free.
>
>             I'll be coming straight from work.
>
>
>
>                 On 25/01/2011 22:04, Stuart Burns wrote:
>
>
>
>                 Hi Everyone,
>
>                   Just a quick reminder the LUG is this Thursday! Ill be
>                   there about 7 I think!
>
>
>                   Regards
>
>                   Stu
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
>
>
>           _______________________________________________
>           Chester mailing list
>           Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>           https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>



From dh at iucr.org  Wed Jan 26 13:22:30 2011
From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:22:30 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikZyrLtSMY-gENcCjkjHZWEdQDxbBQwsYq8Qqfo@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikdHy15C7sEr=hzyd3td_HLje9xm4HWivSvR-pg@mail.gmail.com>	<4D3FE64B.2040504@gmail.com>	<AANLkTikUndqR8hsLQ27UwbOpHih90QjcRUJ71XaU6Tts@mail.gmail.com>	<4D3FFB33.3040901@gmail.com>	<AANLkTikaAZReH8U5LxQGJumhBjrksFuMeVtKH-NmHXbO@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4D401F54.3090600@iucr.org>

I would be interested Les, sorry I couldn't make your talks.

 Cheers,

 Dave.


On 26/01/11 12:00, Les Pritchard wrote:
> Hi Dan,
> 
> That was a talk for the BCS last week unfortunately. If enough people
> are interested I'm happy to talk about the topic at a LUG meet
> sometime.
> 
> Les
> 
> On Wednesday, 26 January 2011, Dan Lynch <biglynchy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Didn't Les post something about a talk in his email? A security/networking talk I think it was. It was last week some time I seem to remember.
>>
>> Maybe I imagined it :)
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     What talk?
>>
>>     On 26/01/2011 10:25, Dan Lynch wrote:
>>     Sorry folks can't make it this month, in the middle of
>>       moving house and got tons to sort out obviously. I will be back
>>       soon though, I'm determined. Have a great night and that talk
>>       sounds great. Hopefully someone can record it.
>>
>>       See ya,
>>
>>       Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>       On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Michael
>>         Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com>
>>         wrote:
>>
>>            Yep, I will be there
>>             too. I should be able to attend everyone now as I'm moving
>>             squadrons in cadets (hopefully), which will result in my
>>             Thursdays becoming free.
>>
>>             I'll be coming straight from work.
>>
>>
>>
>>                 On 25/01/2011 22:04, Stuart Burns wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>                 Hi Everyone,
>>
>>                   Just a quick reminder the LUG is this Thursday! Ill be
>>                   there about 7 I think!
>>
>>
>>                   Regards
>>
>>                   Stu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>           _______________________________________________
>>           Chester mailing list
>>           Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>>           https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chester mailing list
>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>>
>>
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> 

-- 
Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org)



From biglynchy at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 13:41:31 2011
From: biglynchy at gmail.com (Dan Lynch)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:41:31 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikZyrLtSMY-gENcCjkjHZWEdQDxbBQwsYq8Qqfo@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikdHy15C7sEr=hzyd3td_HLje9xm4HWivSvR-pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3FE64B.2040504@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikUndqR8hsLQ27UwbOpHih90QjcRUJ71XaU6Tts@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D3FFB33.3040901@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikaAZReH8U5LxQGJumhBjrksFuMeVtKH-NmHXbO@mail.gmail.com>
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Ah my mistake, sorry I missed it, my memory is fuzzy. Thought it might be
part of the LUG tonight as well. Seems like some people are interested.

Have a good meet anyway :)

Dan



On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Les Pritchard <les.pritchard at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Dan,
>
> That was a talk for the BCS last week unfortunately. If enough people
> are interested I'm happy to talk about the topic at a LUG meet
> sometime.
>
> Les
>
> On Wednesday, 26 January 2011, Dan Lynch <biglynchy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Didn't Les post something about a talk in his email? A
> security/networking talk I think it was. It was last week some time I seem
> to remember.
> >
> > Maybe I imagined it :)
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     What talk?
> >
> >     On 26/01/2011 10:25, Dan Lynch wrote:
> >     Sorry folks can't make it this month, in the middle of
> >       moving house and got tons to sort out obviously. I will be back
> >       soon though, I'm determined. Have a great night and that talk
> >       sounds great. Hopefully someone can record it.
> >
> >       See ya,
> >
> >       Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >       On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Michael
> >         Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com>
> >         wrote:
> >
> >            Yep, I will be there
> >             too. I should be able to attend everyone now as I'm moving
> >             squadrons in cadets (hopefully), which will result in my
> >             Thursdays becoming free.
> >
> >             I'll be coming straight from work.
> >
> >
> >
> >                 On 25/01/2011 22:04, Stuart Burns wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >                 Hi Everyone,
> >
> >                   Just a quick reminder the LUG is this Thursday! Ill be
> >                   there about 7 I think!
> >
> >
> >                   Regards
> >
> >                   Stu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >           _______________________________________________
> >           Chester mailing list
> >           Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> >           https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chester mailing list
> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
> >
> >
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>
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From benarnold at fsfe.org  Wed Jan 26 21:47:46 2011
From: benarnold at fsfe.org (Ben Arnold)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:47:46 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] E-mail servers, anyone?
Message-ID: <20110126214415.08d3f875@fsfe.org>

Good evening, afternoon and morning  --


I've have been tasked to put the "feelers" out (my boss' words, not
mine) on what corporate e-mail servers are going good at the moment.
Typically, we're looking to replace exchange and continue RedHat's
revenge on our servers. I don't think we're after anything too fancy,
extras should include personal & shared mailboxes & calendars, hopefully
some mobile interface. Standard stuff methinks. RH have promoted
OpenChange and SOGo (.nu) with RHEL6, with Zimbra getting a shout too.

All suggestions welcome from those that have (fairly) recent experience
of playing such games. I'll be at Chester LUG tomorrow eve btw, least
of all for official CAMRA business, but not sure about the 'Pool on Wed.


Much obliged, as ever,
Ben

-- 
Ben Arnold
Chester, UK

e: ben at seawolfsanctuary.com @ benarnold at fsfe.org
w: seawolfsanctuary.com | linkedin.com/in/benarnold

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From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 23:10:02 2011
From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:10:02 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] E-mail servers, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <20110126214415.08d3f875@fsfe.org>
References: <20110126214415.08d3f875@fsfe.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimBjM2dLxAXkxW1wntVpL3Zru4+KnCyOj+BWhb0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

As far as I am aware Zimbra is probably your best bet. It does all those
groupware features you mention out the box. As for the others I have no
idea.

Stuart

On 26 January 2011 21:44, Ben Arnold <benarnold at fsfe.org> wrote:

> Good evening, afternoon and morning  --
>
>
> I've have been tasked to put the "feelers" out (my boss' words, not
> mine) on what corporate e-mail servers are going good at the moment.
> Typically, we're looking to replace exchange and continue RedHat's
> revenge on our servers. I don't think we're after anything too fancy,
> extras should include personal & shared mailboxes & calendars, hopefully
> some mobile interface. Standard stuff methinks. RH have promoted
> OpenChange and SOGo (.nu) with RHEL6, with Zimbra getting a shout too.
>
> All suggestions welcome from those that have (fairly) recent experience
> of playing such games. I'll be at Chester LUG tomorrow eve btw, least
> of all for official CAMRA business, but not sure about the 'Pool on Wed.
>
>
> Much obliged, as ever,
> Ben
>
> --
> Ben Arnold
> Chester, UK
>
> e: ben at seawolfsanctuary.com @ benarnold at fsfe.org
> w: seawolfsanctuary.com | linkedin.com/in/benarnold
>
> nom = { :cookies => :mouth }
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From mrcrilly at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 17:55:40 2011
From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:55:40 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikdHy15C7sEr=hzyd3td_HLje9xm4HWivSvR-pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikdHy15C7sEr=hzyd3td_HLje9xm4HWivSvR-pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D41B06B.3050207@gmail.com>

Hi guys,

Where is the meet at again? Do we have the second/top floor of that pub 
again? I remember someone saying there is free WiFi to be had? :D

Cheers,

Mike.

On 25/01/2011 22:04, Stuart Burns wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just a quick reminder the LUG is this Thursday! Ill be there about 7 I 
> think!
>
>
> Regards
>
> Stu
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From les.pritchard at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 00:06:53 2011
From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:06:53 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <4D41B06B.3050207@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikdHy15C7sEr=hzyd3td_HLje9xm4HWivSvR-pg@mail.gmail.com>
	<4D41B06B.3050207@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=j1Ds1ctS7cVsvb6xc124MhGq1FzHOQ64dkw8u@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

Sorry we didn't see this email when you sent it earlier - it's the Bear and
Billet on the top floor for future reference.

Hopefully see you at the next one.

Les

On 27 January 2011 17:50, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Hi guys,
>
> Where is the meet at again? Do we have the second/top floor of that pub
> again? I remember someone saying there is free WiFi to be had? :D
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike.
>
>
> On 25/01/2011 22:04, Stuart Burns wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Just a quick reminder the LUG is this Thursday! Ill be there about 7 I
> think!
>
>
> Regards
>
> Stu
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chester mailing list
> Chester at mailman.lug.org.ukhttps://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>
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From mrcrilly at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 09:15:00 2011
From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:15:00 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=j1Ds1ctS7cVsvb6xc124MhGq1FzHOQ64dkw8u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikdHy15C7sEr=hzyd3td_HLje9xm4HWivSvR-pg@mail.gmail.com>	<4D41B06B.3050207@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4D428846.8040907@gmail.com>

Hi Les,

I didn't even know the location of the pub! I asked about, but I asked 
for the "Bear's Paw", as for some reason I thought that to be its name. 
Oh well.

I'll be more prepared for the next meet :)

Cheers,

Mike.

On 28/01/2011 00:03, Les Pritchard wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Sorry we didn't see this email when you sent it earlier - it's the 
> Bear and Billet on the top floor for future reference.
>
> Hopefully see you at the next one.
>
> Les
>
> On 27 January 2011 17:50, Michael Crilly <mrcrilly at gmail.com 
> <mailto:mrcrilly at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi guys,
>
>     Where is the meet at again? Do we have the second/top floor of
>     that pub again? I remember someone saying there is free WiFi to be
>     had? :D
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Mike.
>
>
>     On 25/01/2011 22:04, Stuart Burns wrote:
>>     Hi Everyone,
>>
>>     Just a quick reminder the LUG is this Thursday! Ill be there
>>     about 7 I think!
>>
>>
>>     Regards
>>
>>     Stu
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Chester mailing list
>>     Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>>     https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Chester mailing list
>     Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk <mailto:Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>     https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester
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From benarnold at fsfe.org  Sat Jan 29 20:08:18 2011
From: benarnold at fsfe.org (Ben Arnold)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 20:08:18 -0000
Subject: [Chester LUG] E-mail servers, anyone?
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Hi Stu & Sebastian --


Thanks for the info, much appreciated. Stu; Zimbra does seem to be
flavour of the few months, seen it in passing touted as a corporate
solution. Sebastian; I like the idea of the more traditional, component
approach, with each config. doing exactly what it should. With time a
factor however I think a bundle would be more appealing, especially
with the extras. If it were my experimentation I'd definitely look at
that lot and see how it goes! The web interface isn't that important
actually, since we're on internal access only anyway.

With the amount of work on over the next few months (there's a lot of
it), we're probably going to get someone in to set one up for us; we
could research it and do it ourselves but it would take a fair bit
longer than the... good point: couple of days for from a blank disk to
job done would be enough surely?

I'll probs send something over to ManLUG this week to see if they've
any more experience & info. As long as something is sorted by the time
the Windows licenses expire (remember them?) we're happy.


Cheers,
Ben


On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:06:46 +0000, you Stuart wrote:
|  Hi,
|  
|  As far as I am aware Zimbra is probably your best bet. It does all
| those groupware features you mention out the box. As for the others I
| have no idea.
|  
|  Stuart


On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:28:48 +0000, Sebastian wrote:
|  Probably not exactly what you are after - but I mainly use Exim for 
|  smtp, Dovecot for imap/pop3 and Thunderbird+Lightning on the client 
|  side. I also sync calendars and address books with a plugin for 
|  Thunderbird called SyncKolab - which saves the stuff in imap folders
| on the server and syncs them from there. I wouldn't say thought that 
|  SyncKolab is the most reliable thing out-there - so I highly
| recommend thorough testing before deployment. Otherwise Exim and
| Dovecot are really thorough, industrial pieces of software in my
| opinion - and from what research I've done.
|  
|  I haven't implemented yet any sort of webmail interface - as I don't 
|  like open ports towards the Internet and constant monitoring. All
| remote access is done from laptops equipped with openvpn, through
| Thunderbird installed on them. I believe though that you can bolt one
| of the popular webmail interfaces on top of Exim and Dovecot.
|  
|  I have one client where I had to allow email access for iPhones -
| and they work fine talking to Dovecot from the Internet (I had to
| open a port here though towards the Internet - after reading all the
| security docs and tightening things as much as I could).
|  
|  You might notice that I didn't go the integrated route - with one of
| the collaboration suites. Many of them integrate Exim and/or Dovecot
| anyway 
|  - however, I liked the idea of being able to choose and pick every 
|  single component to suit my needs - but I accept there are plenty of 
|  advantages choosing one of the ready made collaboration suites.
|  
|  Hope the above helps,
|  
|  Sebastian

-- 
Ben Arnold
Chester, UK

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