From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Fri Jul 1 07:31:31 2011 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 07:31:31 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] virtualbox win7 Message-ID: Further to our discussion last night, I activated both 2d and 3d (I tried just 3d first) graphics acceleration. The most it would let me have was 128MB. Aero themes are still off (although I could get the aero wallpaper options), there are no transparent options. Plus I heard that direct X 8/9 is a no-no. Any further ideas? Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 19:29:35 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2011 19:29:35 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] virtualbox win7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E60DAA8-D431-4F46-B542-752A4466CA1C@gmail.com> I would honestly suggest one of the commercial options. They support 3D a lot better than Virtual Box. 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URL: From smedley358 at btinternet.com Tue Jul 5 10:14:47 2011 From: smedley358 at btinternet.com (Richard Smedley) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 10:14:47 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] FWD: [DoES Liverpool] Fwd: [Liverpool] Liverpool LUG meeting with Adrian McEwen on the Liverpool Hackspace - Wednesday 6th July 2011 Message-ID: <4E12E0B8.3090304@btinternet.com> While I'm sure many of you will be at Cheshire & Staffs GeekUp on Wednesday evening: http://geekup.org/events/312/ ...there's also the alternative of hearing about the new hackspace & co-working space in Liverpool. See below.... -------- Original Message -------- Details of the next Liverpool Linux Users Group meeting, featuring me talking about DoES Liverpool, our new co-working/hackspace. Cheers, Adrian. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Liverpool] Liverpool LUG meeting with Adrian McEwen on the Liverpool Hackspace - Wednesday 6th July 2011 Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:25:09 +0100 From: Bob Ham Reply-To: Liverpool Linux User Group To: Liverpool Linux User Group On Wednesday, 6th July 2011, the Liverpool Linux User Group will be meeting. Adrian McEwen will be talking about his (successful) efforts to put together a hackspace¹ in Liverpool. This month, we will also be holding a housekeeping/administrative session to discuss the LUG and various activities. We will meet at the Liverpool Social Centre² at 7.30pm. The group is very informal and all are welcome. After the talk and meeting, we will venture to the Welkin pub³ for beverages and less directed discussion. Liverpool Social Centre is next door to the News from Nowhere bookshop on Bold Street⁴. To access the centre, press the bell for the basement on the left of the door and someone will come up and let you in. Hope to see you there :-) ¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackerspace ² http://www.liverpoolsocialcentre.org/ ³ http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-welkin ⁴ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.402426&lon=-2.976481&zoom=18 -- Bob Ham for (;;) { ++pancakes; } From dh at iucr.org Thu Jul 7 13:38:00 2011 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:38:00 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] ipad/tablets Message-ID: <4E15B354.6030504@iucr.org> Anyone here have an iPad or Tablet - if so thoughts? Cheers, Dave. -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Thu Jul 7 14:04:16 2011 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 14:04:16 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] ipad/tablets In-Reply-To: <4E15B354.6030504@iucr.org> References: <4E15B354.6030504@iucr.org> Message-ID: If I look hard enough I'm sure I can find some IPtables... > Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 14:23:32 +0100 > From: dh at iucr.org > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: [Chester LUG] ipad/tablets > > Anyone here have an iPad or Tablet - if so thoughts? > > Cheers, > > Dave. > > -- > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Thu Jul 7 14:27:45 2011 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 14:27:45 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] ipad/tablets In-Reply-To: References: <4E15B354.6030504@iucr.org> Message-ID: <4E15BEFE.70901@iucr.org> On 07/07/11 14:49, Paul Williams wrote: > If I look hard enough I'm sure I can find some IPtables...Smile with tongue Only if your Input Policy is set to Accept ;) > >> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 14:23:32 +0100 >> From: dh at iucr.org >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> Subject: [Chester LUG] ipad/tablets >> >> Anyone here have an iPad or Tablet - if so thoughts? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Dave. >> >> -- >> Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Jul 7 22:38:25 2011 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:38:25 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Proxies Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I am stuck in my hotel room and cannot get Iplayer or ITV player to work due to having a US ip. Does anyone know of a cheap proxy I can use ? Regards Stuart -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dh at iucr.org Fri Jul 8 03:05:51 2011 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 03:05:51 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Proxies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E1670A9.9050605@iucr.org> http://expatshield.com/ Dave. On 07/07/11 23:23, Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I am stuck in my hotel room and cannot get Iplayer or ITV player to work > due to having a US ip. Does anyone know of a cheap proxy I can use ? > > Regards > > Stuart > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From mrcrilly at gmail.com Fri Jul 8 14:54:33 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:54:33 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] ipad/tablets In-Reply-To: <4E15BEFE.70901@iucr.org> References: <4E15B354.6030504@iucr.org> <4E15BEFE.70901@iucr.org> Message-ID: I bought my father an iPad (first gen) for the Christmas just gone. I really like them, but I wouldn't get a first generation as the second has sufficient improvements to make it worth while. On 7 July 2011 15:13, David Holden wrote: > > > On 07/07/11 14:49, Paul Williams wrote: > > If I look hard enough I'm sure I can find some IPtables...Smile with > tongue > > > Only if your Input Policy is set to Accept ;) > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 14:23:32 +0100 > >> From: dh at iucr.org > >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> Subject: [Chester LUG] ipad/tablets > >> > >> Anyone here have an iPad or Tablet - if so thoughts? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Dave. > >> > >> -- > >> Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chester mailing list > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- > Dr David Holden. 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URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 14:38:57 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:38:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror Message-ID: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> I've just started reading this on Arstechnica: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/wifi-hacking-neighbor-from-hell-gets-18-years-in-prison.ars - quite scary! It just goes to show you what you can do with some tools off of the Internet and some basic knowledge. This could be a story for your company's website, Les ;-) From les.pritchard at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:23:23 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:23:23 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes that's a great story, there's a lot of this going on sadly. If you've upset anyone - don't use WiFi :-) On 13 July 2011 15:23, Michael Crilly wrote: > I've just started reading this on Arstechnica: > http://arstechnica.com/tech-**policy/news/2011/07/wifi-** > hacking-neighbor-from-hell-**gets-18-years-in-prison.ars- quite scary! It just goes to show you what you can do with some tools off > of the Internet and some basic knowledge. > > This could be a story for your company's website, Les ;-) > > ______________________________**_________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:25:45 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:25:45 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> Mind you most residential gateways come with WPA2 as standard now (the article was a few years back), so hopefully this will not be as easy to do. On 13/07/11 16:08, Les Pritchard wrote: > Yes that's a great story, there's a lot of this going on sadly. If > you've upset anyone - don't use WiFi :-) > > On 13 July 2011 15:23, Michael Crilly > wrote: > > I've just started reading this on Arstechnica: > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/wifi-hacking-neighbor-from-hell-gets-18-years-in-prison.ars > - quite scary! It just goes to show you what you can do with some > tools off of the Internet and some basic knowledge. > > This could be a story for your company's website, Les ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:30:24 2011 From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:30:24 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> The question for me is whether or not older units in circulation have been updated to support WPA2. I know that there are still a load of 1st generation BT Home Hubs out there which still work on WEP, and the other question is how often people update their wifi passwords (I bet most provider-issued devices are still set to their factory WEP/WPA2 keys). Buzz Out Loud did a long segment about Wifi routers a few weeks ago, and my recent (painful) experience trying to reconfigure my own HomeHub made me wonder how many 'normal' people actually look (or even know they should look) at such things? B On 13 Jul 2011, at 16:10, Michael Crilly wrote: > Mind you most residential gateways come with WPA2 as standard now (the article was a few years back), so hopefully this will not be as easy to do. > > On 13/07/11 16:08, Les Pritchard wrote: >> Yes that's a great story, there's a lot of this going on sadly. If you've upset anyone - don't use WiFi :-) >> >> On 13 July 2011 15:23, Michael Crilly wrote: >> I've just started reading this on Arstechnica: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/wifi-hacking-neighbor-from-hell-gets-18-years-in-prison.ars - quite scary! It just goes to show you what you can do with some tools off of the Internet and some basic knowledge. >> >> This could be a story for your company's website, Les ;-) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Bryn Salisbury http://about.me/bryns/bio From mrcrilly at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:39:02 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:39:02 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> I believe WPA is backwards compatible with WEP enabled hardware (but not WPA2 as the chipsets can't do the processing). WPA is an improvement over WEP as it uses better encryption, it doesn't directly use master keys and it's IV has been increased to 48, from 24, and as such you have trillions of key combinations, instead of about 17 million. WPA2 requires completely new hardware. I think ISPs should be taking on the responsibility of ensuring people's security, as far as wireless technology at home goes, anyway. This can be done by shipping wireless routers with only WPA2 enabled, minimum key requirements and a decent password policy on the router's administration panel, etc. That being said it can't be too easy as you end up sacrificing security for convenience, which is never good. On 13/07/11 16:15, Bryn Salisbury wrote: > The question for me is whether or not older units in circulation have been updated to support WPA2. I know that there are still a load of 1st generation BT Home Hubs out there which still work on WEP, and the other question is how often people update their wifi passwords (I bet most provider-issued devices are still set to their factory WEP/WPA2 keys). > > Buzz Out Loud did a long segment about Wifi routers a few weeks ago, and my recent (painful) experience trying to reconfigure my own HomeHub made me wonder how many 'normal' people actually look (or even know they should look) at such things? > > B > > On 13 Jul 2011, at 16:10, Michael Crilly wrote: > > >> Mind you most residential gateways come with WPA2 as standard now (the article was a few years back), so hopefully this will not be as easy to do. >> >> On 13/07/11 16:08, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >>> Yes that's a great story, there's a lot of this going on sadly. If you've upset anyone - don't use WiFi :-) >>> >>> On 13 July 2011 15:23, Michael Crilly wrote: >>> I've just started reading this on Arstechnica: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/wifi-hacking-neighbor-from-hell-gets-18-years-in-prison.ars - quite scary! It just goes to show you what you can do with some tools off of the Internet and some basic knowledge. >>> >>> This could be a story for your company's website, Les ;-) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > -- > Bryn Salisbury > http://about.me/bryns/bio > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > From les.pritchard at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:44:38 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:44:38 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> Message-ID: You've hit the nail on the head there security vs convenience. I have been to so many companies who use WEP because they know it will work with all devices. They also use a simple key as something longer is just harder to type :-) I've also spoken to home users who use WEP, or nothing at all as they've had problems connecting consoles to WPA2. Very scary. On 13 July 2011 16:24, Michael Crilly wrote: > I believe WPA is backwards compatible with WEP enabled hardware (but not > WPA2 as the chipsets can't do the processing). WPA is an improvement over > WEP as it uses better encryption, it doesn't directly use master keys and > it's IV has been increased to 48, from 24, and as such you have trillions of > key combinations, instead of about 17 million. WPA2 requires completely new > hardware. > > I think ISPs should be taking on the responsibility of ensuring people's > security, as far as wireless technology at home goes, anyway. This can be > done by shipping wireless routers with only WPA2 enabled, minimum key > requirements and a decent password policy on the router's administration > panel, etc. That being said it can't be too easy as you end up sacrificing > security for convenience, which is never good. > > > On 13/07/11 16:15, Bryn Salisbury wrote: > >> The question for me is whether or not older units in circulation have been >> updated to support WPA2. I know that there are still a load of 1st >> generation BT Home Hubs out there which still work on WEP, and the other >> question is how often people update their wifi passwords (I bet most >> provider-issued devices are still set to their factory WEP/WPA2 keys). >> >> Buzz Out Loud did a long segment about Wifi routers a few weeks ago, and >> my recent (painful) experience trying to reconfigure my own HomeHub made me >> wonder how many 'normal' people actually look (or even know they should >> look) at such things? >> >> B >> >> On 13 Jul 2011, at 16:10, Michael Crilly wrote: >> >> >> >>> Mind you most residential gateways come with WPA2 as standard now (the >>> article was a few years back), so hopefully this will not be as easy to do. >>> >>> On 13/07/11 16:08, Les Pritchard wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Yes that's a great story, there's a lot of this going on sadly. If >>>> you've upset anyone - don't use WiFi :-) >>>> >>>> On 13 July 2011 15:23, Michael Crilly wrote: >>>> I've just started reading this on Arstechnica: >>>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-**policy/news/2011/07/wifi-** >>>> hacking-neighbor-from-hell-**gets-18-years-in-prison.ars- quite scary! It just goes to show you what you can do with some tools off >>>> of the Internet and some basic knowledge. >>>> >>>> This could be a story for your company's website, Les ;-) >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >> -- >> Bryn Salisbury >> http://about.me/bryns/bio >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 15:53:29 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 15:53:29 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> Nothing surprises me these days. On 13/07/11 16:29, Les Pritchard wrote: > You've hit the nail on the head there security vs convenience. I have > been to so many companies who use WEP because they know it will work > with all devices. They also use a simple key as something longer is > just harder to type :-) > > I've also spoken to home users who use WEP, or nothing at all as > they've had problems connecting consoles to WPA2. Very scary. > > On 13 July 2011 16:24, Michael Crilly > wrote: > > I believe WPA is backwards compatible with WEP enabled hardware > (but not WPA2 as the chipsets can't do the processing). WPA is an > improvement over WEP as it uses better encryption, it doesn't > directly use master keys and it's IV has been increased to 48, > from 24, and as such you have trillions of key combinations, > instead of about 17 million. WPA2 requires completely new hardware. > > I think ISPs should be taking on the responsibility of ensuring > people's security, as far as wireless technology at home goes, > anyway. This can be done by shipping wireless routers with only > WPA2 enabled, minimum key requirements and a decent password > policy on the router's administration panel, etc. That being said > it can't be too easy as you end up sacrificing security for > convenience, which is never good. > > > On 13/07/11 16:15, Bryn Salisbury wrote: > > The question for me is whether or not older units in > circulation have been updated to support WPA2. I know that > there are still a load of 1st generation BT Home Hubs out > there which still work on WEP, and the other question is how > often people update their wifi passwords (I bet most > provider-issued devices are still set to their factory > WEP/WPA2 keys). > > Buzz Out Loud did a long segment about Wifi routers a few > weeks ago, and my recent (painful) experience trying to > reconfigure my own HomeHub made me wonder how many 'normal' > people actually look (or even know they should look) at such > things? > > B > > On 13 Jul 2011, at 16:10, Michael Crilly wrote: > > > Mind you most residential gateways come with WPA2 as > standard now (the article was a few years back), so > hopefully this will not be as easy to do. > > On 13/07/11 16:08, Les Pritchard wrote: > > Yes that's a great story, there's a lot of this going > on sadly. If you've upset anyone - don't use WiFi :-) > > On 13 July 2011 15:23, Michael > Crilly> > wrote: > I've just started reading this on Arstechnica: > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/wifi-hacking-neighbor-from-hell-gets-18-years-in-prison.ars > - quite scary! It just goes to show you what you can > do with some tools off of the Internet and some basic > knowledge. > > This could be a story for your company's website, Les ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- > Bryn Salisbury > http://about.me/bryns/bio > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shop at open-t.co.uk Wed Jul 13 19:35:50 2011 From: shop at open-t.co.uk (Sebastian Arcus) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:35:50 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> Hmm - I don't know. Wherever I go - business or domestic - I enable WPA2. Whatever doesn't want to play with it, whatever the reason - gets binned. Short and sweet - no excuses. By binned of course I mean either binned or used off the network. The level of compatibility these days with WPA2 is high enough to not put up with going back to anything else. And for those mentioning BT routers - well, I don't know how you would expect anything from those pieces of *$%^&. Any equipment that comes preconfigured from ISP to create additional wifi networks and share my own broadband connection with others (while essentially re-selling the bandwidth I have already paid for) deserves nothing but a sledge hammer. Sorry - I must be in an intransigent mood today. Sebastian On 13/07/11 16:38, Michael Crilly wrote: > Nothing surprises me these days. > > On 13/07/11 16:29, Les Pritchard wrote: >> You've hit the nail on the head there security vs convenience. I have >> been to so many companies who use WEP because they know it will work >> with all devices. They also use a simple key as something longer is >> just harder to type :-) >> >> I've also spoken to home users who use WEP, or nothing at all as >> they've had problems connecting consoles to WPA2. Very scary. >> >> On 13 July 2011 16:24, Michael Crilly > > wrote: >> >> I believe WPA is backwards compatible with WEP enabled hardware >> (but not WPA2 as the chipsets can't do the processing). WPA is an >> improvement over WEP as it uses better encryption, it doesn't >> directly use master keys and it's IV has been increased to 48, >> from 24, and as such you have trillions of key combinations, >> instead of about 17 million. WPA2 requires completely new hardware. >> >> I think ISPs should be taking on the responsibility of ensuring >> people's security, as far as wireless technology at home goes, >> anyway. This can be done by shipping wireless routers with only >> WPA2 enabled, minimum key requirements and a decent password >> policy on the router's administration panel, etc. That being said >> it can't be too easy as you end up sacrificing security for >> convenience, which is never good. >> >> >> On 13/07/11 16:15, Bryn Salisbury wrote: >> >> The question for me is whether or not older units in >> circulation have been updated to support WPA2. I know that >> there are still a load of 1st generation BT Home Hubs out >> there which still work on WEP, and the other question is how >> often people update their wifi passwords (I bet most >> provider-issued devices are still set to their factory >> WEP/WPA2 keys). >> >> Buzz Out Loud did a long segment about Wifi routers a few >> weeks ago, and my recent (painful) experience trying to >> reconfigure my own HomeHub made me wonder how many 'normal' >> people actually look (or even know they should look) at such >> things? >> >> B >> >> On 13 Jul 2011, at 16:10, Michael Crilly wrote: >> >> >> Mind you most residential gateways come with WPA2 as >> standard now (the article was a few years back), so >> hopefully this will not be as easy to do. >> >> On 13/07/11 16:08, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >> Yes that's a great story, there's a lot of this going >> on sadly. If you've upset anyone - don't use WiFi :-) >> >> On 13 July 2011 15:23, Michael >> Crilly> >> wrote: >> I've just started reading this on Arstechnica: >> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/wifi-hacking-neighbor-from-hell-gets-18-years-in-prison.ars >> - quite scary! It just goes to show you what you can >> do with some tools off of the Internet and some basic >> knowledge. >> >> This could be a story for your company's website, Les ;-) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> -- >> Bryn Salisbury >> http://about.me/bryns/bio >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From veedub at linuxmail.org Wed Jul 13 19:38:22 2011 From: veedub at linuxmail.org (john) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:38:22 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: <4E1DF0AC.4060800@linuxmail.org> On 13/07/11 20:22, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > Hmm - I don't know. Wherever I go - business or domestic - I enable > WPA2. Whatever doesn't want to play with it, whatever the reason - > gets binned. Short and sweet - no excuses. By binned of course I mean > either binned or used off the network. > > The level of compatibility these days with WPA2 is high enough to not > put up with going back to anything else. > > And for those mentioning BT routers - well, I don't know how you would > expect anything from those pieces of *$%^&. Any equipment that comes > preconfigured from ISP to create additional wifi networks and share my > own broadband connection with others (while essentially re-selling the > bandwidth I have already paid for) deserves nothing but a sledge hammer. > > Sorry - I must be in an intransigent mood today. > > Sebastian Bt internet....when you have long enough I will tell you the story! John Greenwood > > > On 13/07/11 16:38, Michael Crilly wrote: >> Nothing surprises me these days. >> >> On 13/07/11 16:29, Les Pritchard wrote: >>> You've hit the nail on the head there security vs convenience. I have >>> been to so many companies who use WEP because they know it will work >>> with all devices. They also use a simple key as something longer is >>> just harder to type :-) >>> >>> I've also spoken to home users who use WEP, or nothing at all as >>> they've had problems connecting consoles to WPA2. Very scary. >>> >>> On 13 July 2011 16:24, Michael Crilly >> > wrote: >>> >>> I believe WPA is backwards compatible with WEP enabled hardware >>> (but not WPA2 as the chipsets can't do the processing). WPA is an >>> improvement over WEP as it uses better encryption, it doesn't >>> directly use master keys and it's IV has been increased to 48, >>> from 24, and as such you have trillions of key combinations, >>> instead of about 17 million. WPA2 requires completely new hardware. >>> >>> I think ISPs should be taking on the responsibility of ensuring >>> people's security, as far as wireless technology at home goes, >>> anyway. This can be done by shipping wireless routers with only >>> WPA2 enabled, minimum key requirements and a decent password >>> policy on the router's administration panel, etc. That being said >>> it can't be too easy as you end up sacrificing security for >>> convenience, which is never good. >>> >>> >>> On 13/07/11 16:15, Bryn Salisbury wrote: >>> >>> The question for me is whether or not older units in >>> circulation have been updated to support WPA2. I know that >>> there are still a load of 1st generation BT Home Hubs out >>> there which still work on WEP, and the other question is how >>> often people update their wifi passwords (I bet most >>> provider-issued devices are still set to their factory >>> WEP/WPA2 keys). >>> >>> Buzz Out Loud did a long segment about Wifi routers a few >>> weeks ago, and my recent (painful) experience trying to >>> reconfigure my own HomeHub made me wonder how many 'normal' >>> people actually look (or even know they should look) at such >>> things? >>> >>> B >>> >>> On 13 Jul 2011, at 16:10, Michael Crilly wrote: >>> >>> >>> Mind you most residential gateways come with WPA2 as >>> standard now (the article was a few years back), so >>> hopefully this will not be as easy to do. >>> >>> On 13/07/11 16:08, Les Pritchard wrote: >>> >>> Yes that's a great story, there's a lot of this going >>> on sadly. If you've upset anyone - don't use WiFi :-) >>> >>> On 13 July 2011 15:23, Michael >>> Crilly> >>> wrote: >>> I've just started reading this on Arstechnica: >>> >>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/wifi-hacking-neighbor-from-hell-gets-18-years-in-prison.ars >>> - quite scary! It just goes to show you what you can >>> do with some tools off of the Internet and some basic >>> knowledge. >>> >>> This could be a story for your company's website, >>> Les ;-) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> -- >>> Bryn Salisbury >>> http://about.me/bryns/bio >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From les.pritchard at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 19:52:22 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:52:22 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: Oh don't get me wrong, I will always move people (normally willingly once I've explained the dangers!) to WPA2. I had one person tell me someone had complained that their Windows 98 system wouldn't connect. Think we know the answer to that one! As for BT....yes what can we say! I've not done any testing of a BT connection, would someone using BT Fon take bandwidth from the owner of the connection? Or do they reserve a permanent percentage for them at all times? In that case you're not getting the full potential from your connection. On 13 July 2011 20:22, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > Hmm - I don't know. Wherever I go - business or domestic - I enable WPA2. > Whatever doesn't want to play with it, whatever the reason - gets binned. > Short and sweet - no excuses. By binned of course I mean either binned or > used off the network. > > The level of compatibility these days with WPA2 is high enough to not put > up with going back to anything else. > > And for those mentioning BT routers - well, I don't know how you would > expect anything from those pieces of *$%^&. Any equipment that comes > preconfigured from ISP to create additional wifi networks and share my own > broadband connection with others (while essentially re-selling the bandwidth > I have already paid for) deserves nothing but a sledge hammer. > > Sorry - I must be in an intransigent mood today. > > Sebastian > > > > On 13/07/11 16:38, Michael Crilly wrote: > >> Nothing surprises me these days. >> >> On 13/07/11 16:29, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >>> You've hit the nail on the head there security vs convenience. I have >>> been to so many companies who use WEP because they know it will work >>> with all devices. They also use a simple key as something longer is >>> just harder to type :-) >>> >>> I've also spoken to home users who use WEP, or nothing at all as >>> they've had problems connecting consoles to WPA2. Very scary. >>> >>> On 13 July 2011 16:24, Michael Crilly >> > wrote: >>> >>> I believe WPA is backwards compatible with WEP enabled hardware >>> (but not WPA2 as the chipsets can't do the processing). WPA is an >>> improvement over WEP as it uses better encryption, it doesn't >>> directly use master keys and it's IV has been increased to 48, >>> from 24, and as such you have trillions of key combinations, >>> instead of about 17 million. WPA2 requires completely new hardware. >>> >>> I think ISPs should be taking on the responsibility of ensuring >>> people's security, as far as wireless technology at home goes, >>> anyway. This can be done by shipping wireless routers with only >>> WPA2 enabled, minimum key requirements and a decent password >>> policy on the router's administration panel, etc. That being said >>> it can't be too easy as you end up sacrificing security for >>> convenience, which is never good. >>> >>> >>> On 13/07/11 16:15, Bryn Salisbury wrote: >>> >>> The question for me is whether or not older units in >>> circulation have been updated to support WPA2. I know that >>> there are still a load of 1st generation BT Home Hubs out >>> there which still work on WEP, and the other question is how >>> often people update their wifi passwords (I bet most >>> provider-issued devices are still set to their factory >>> WEP/WPA2 keys). >>> >>> Buzz Out Loud did a long segment about Wifi routers a few >>> weeks ago, and my recent (painful) experience trying to >>> reconfigure my own HomeHub made me wonder how many 'normal' >>> people actually look (or even know they should look) at such >>> things? >>> >>> B >>> >>> On 13 Jul 2011, at 16:10, Michael Crilly wrote: >>> >>> >>> Mind you most residential gateways come with WPA2 as >>> standard now (the article was a few years back), so >>> hopefully this will not be as easy to do. >>> >>> On 13/07/11 16:08, Les Pritchard wrote: >>> >>> Yes that's a great story, there's a lot of this going >>> on sadly. If you've upset anyone - don't use WiFi :-) >>> >>> On 13 July 2011 15:23, Michael >>> Crilly> >>> >>> wrote: >>> I've just started reading this on Arstechnica: >>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-**policy/news/2011/07/wifi-** >>> hacking-neighbor-from-hell-**gets-18-years-in-prison.ars >>> - quite scary! It just goes to show you what you can >>> do with some tools off of the Internet and some basic >>> knowledge. >>> >>> This could be a story for your company's website, Les ;-) >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> >>> > >>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> >>> > >>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> org.uk > >>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> -- >>> Bryn Salisbury >>> http://about.me/bryns/bio >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> > >>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> > >>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > ______________________________**_________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shop at open-t.co.uk Wed Jul 13 21:26:11 2011 From: shop at open-t.co.uk (Sebastian Arcus) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:26:11 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: <4E1E0A4B.6000006@open-t.co.uk> On 13/07/11 20:37, Les Pritchard wrote: > Oh don't get me wrong, I will always move people (normally willingly > once I've explained the dangers!) to WPA2. I had one person tell me > someone had complained that their Windows 98 system wouldn't connect. > Think we know the answer to that one! > > As for BT....yes what can we say! I've not done any testing of a BT > connection, would someone using BT Fon take bandwidth from the owner of > the connection? Or do they reserve a permanent percentage for them at > all times? In that case you're not getting the full potential from your > connection. Yes - I agree. Either temporarely, or permanently - it is using what should be my bandwidth and my connection. It's not like BT are giving some sort of discount on their connections because they are borrowing said bandwidth/connection share from their customers. Quite the opposite, really, if you are to compare their prices with the competition. And the free wifi comes under BTOpenZone, BTFon and one more branding which is not coming to me right now. I take deep satisfaction in replacing the BT branded routers with off the shelf ones (when they break or there is any other compelling reason) and always imagine there is a little guy deep down in the BT corporate belly jumping up and down furiously and frantically shaking fists in the air because they lost one more of their routers. Well, at least it's the sort of stuff that makes me feel better :D Sebastian From shop at open-t.co.uk Wed Jul 13 21:30:43 2011 From: shop at open-t.co.uk (Sebastian Arcus) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:30:43 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: <4E1E0B56.40109@open-t.co.uk> Also - I really believe it all falls on legally very questionable ground. Although supplied by BT, once installed on customer premises they become the property of the customer - as far as I know. They are paid for by the subscription to the broadband connection. Thus, BT using them for their own profit (with most customers not even being aware) after they have become the property of the client I believe is more then dubious in legal terms. Sebastian On 13/07/11 20:37, Les Pritchard wrote: > Oh don't get me wrong, I will always move people (normally willingly > once I've explained the dangers!) to WPA2. I had one person tell me > someone had complained that their Windows 98 system wouldn't connect. > Think we know the answer to that one! > > As for BT....yes what can we say! I've not done any testing of a BT > connection, would someone using BT Fon take bandwidth from the owner of > the connection? Or do they reserve a permanent percentage for them at > all times? In that case you're not getting the full potential from your > connection. > > > > On 13 July 2011 20:22, Sebastian Arcus > wrote: > > Hmm - I don't know. Wherever I go - business or domestic - I enable > WPA2. Whatever doesn't want to play with it, whatever the reason - > gets binned. Short and sweet - no excuses. By binned of course I > mean either binned or used off the network. > > The level of compatibility these days with WPA2 is high enough to > not put up with going back to anything else. > > And for those mentioning BT routers - well, I don't know how you > would expect anything from those pieces of *$%^&. Any equipment that > comes preconfigured from ISP to create additional wifi networks and > share my own broadband connection with others (while essentially > re-selling the bandwidth I have already paid for) deserves nothing > but a sledge hammer. > > Sorry - I must be in an intransigent mood today. > > Sebastian > > > > On 13/07/11 16:38, Michael Crilly wrote: > > Nothing surprises me these days. > > On 13/07/11 16:29, Les Pritchard wrote: > > You've hit the nail on the head there security vs > convenience. I have > been to so many companies who use WEP because they know it > will work > with all devices. They also use a simple key as something > longer is > just harder to type :-) > > I've also spoken to home users who use WEP, or nothing at all as > they've had problems connecting consoles to WPA2. Very scary. > > On 13 July 2011 16:24, Michael Crilly > >> wrote: > > I believe WPA is backwards compatible with WEP enabled > hardware > (but not WPA2 as the chipsets can't do the processing). > WPA is an > improvement over WEP as it uses better encryption, it > doesn't > directly use master keys and it's IV has been increased > to 48, > from 24, and as such you have trillions of key combinations, > instead of about 17 million. WPA2 requires completely > new hardware. > > I think ISPs should be taking on the responsibility of > ensuring > people's security, as far as wireless technology at home > goes, > anyway. This can be done by shipping wireless routers > with only > WPA2 enabled, minimum key requirements and a decent password > policy on the router's administration panel, etc. That > being said > it can't be too easy as you end up sacrificing security for > convenience, which is never good. > > > On 13/07/11 16:15, Bryn Salisbury wrote: > > The question for me is whether or not older units in > circulation have been updated to support WPA2. I > know that > there are still a load of 1st generation BT Home > Hubs out > there which still work on WEP, and the other > question is how > often people update their wifi passwords (I bet most > provider-issued devices are still set to their factory > WEP/WPA2 keys). > > Buzz Out Loud did a long segment about Wifi routers > a few > weeks ago, and my recent (painful) experience trying to > reconfigure my own HomeHub made me wonder how many > 'normal' > people actually look (or even know they should look) > at such > things? > > B > > On 13 Jul 2011, at 16:10, Michael Crilly wrote: > > > Mind you most residential gateways come with WPA2 as > standard now (the article was a few years back), so > hopefully this will not be as easy to do. > > On 13/07/11 16:08, Les Pritchard wrote: > > Yes that's a great story, there's a lot of > this going > on sadly. If you've upset anyone - don't use > WiFi :-) > > On 13 July 2011 15:23, Michael > Crilly >> > > wrote: > I've just started reading this on Arstechnica: > http://arstechnica.com/tech-__policy/news/2011/07/wifi-__hacking-neighbor-from-hell-__gets-18-years-in-prison.ars > > - quite scary! It just goes to show you what > you can > do with some tools off of the Internet and > some basic > knowledge. > > This could be a story for your company's > website, Les ;-) > > > _________________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/__mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _________________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/__mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > _________________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/__mailman/listinfo/chester > > > -- > Bryn Salisbury > http://about.me/bryns/bio > > > > > > _________________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/__mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _________________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > > > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/__mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _________________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/__mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _________________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/__mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _________________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/__mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 21:37:14 2011 From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:37:14 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <4E1E0A4B.6000006@open-t.co.uk> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> <4E1E0A4B.6000006@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: <42C12A6C-C37B-49E6-B396-7DE37736AC55@gmail.com> My experience with BTOpenzone and FON services is not overly positive. Any time I've tried to connect to such services, they dropped out or were so painfully slow that they were unusable. When it comes to FON, it largely relies on deployment of home broadband systems in order to create something resembling a municipal wifi system, except that most of these routers are placed inside homes and have such poor ranges that they're just slightly to the left of useless. Additionally, BT routers are being shipped now with FON enabled by default (you get the 'option' to disable it when you take out the contract, but I doubt most normal people even know or understand the significance of the option). Having seen and used several of these devices, I can't say I've even noticed anyone actually connecting via FON, or Openzone to routers under my control. Saying that people who go with ISP provided routers get what they deserve is a bit harsh, a lot of people don't know why such devices aren't up to the job, and end up going for these options because they're far easier to set up. It's up to folks like us to design these devices (hardware and software) in such a way that it's a trivial matter to set them up, a single screen or a few button presses. On a related note, I'm probably going to switch to AAISP in the next few months, as their routers are hand made, and seem to be rock solid. B On 13 Jul 2011, at 22:12, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > > > On 13/07/11 20:37, Les Pritchard wrote: >> Oh don't get me wrong, I will always move people (normally willingly >> once I've explained the dangers!) to WPA2. I had one person tell me >> someone had complained that their Windows 98 system wouldn't connect. >> Think we know the answer to that one! >> >> As for BT....yes what can we say! I've not done any testing of a BT >> connection, would someone using BT Fon take bandwidth from the owner of >> the connection? Or do they reserve a permanent percentage for them at >> all times? In that case you're not getting the full potential from your >> connection. > > Yes - I agree. Either temporarely, or permanently - it is using what should be my bandwidth and my connection. It's not like BT are giving some sort of discount on their connections because they are borrowing said bandwidth/connection share from their customers. Quite the opposite, really, if you are to compare their prices with the competition. And the free wifi comes under BTOpenZone, BTFon and one more branding which is not coming to me right now. > > I take deep satisfaction in replacing the BT branded routers with off the shelf ones (when they break or there is any other compelling reason) and always imagine there is a little guy deep down in the BT corporate belly jumping up and down furiously and frantically shaking fists in the air because they lost one more of their routers. Well, at least it's the sort of stuff that makes me feel better :D > > Sebastian > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Bryn Salisbury http://about.me/bryns/bio From les.pritchard at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 21:49:23 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:49:23 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <42C12A6C-C37B-49E6-B396-7DE37736AC55@gmail.com> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> <4E1E0A4B.6000006@open-t.co.uk> <42C12A6C-C37B-49E6-B396-7DE37736AC55@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Bryn, You say you've not noticed anyone connecting - would you be able to see through the router? I always assumed that the FON vlan would be completely hidden from the 'owner' of the router. On 13 July 2011 22:22, Bryn Salisbury wrote: > My experience with BTOpenzone and FON services is not overly positive. Any > time I've tried to connect to such services, they dropped out or were so > painfully slow that they were unusable. When it comes to FON, it largely > relies on deployment of home broadband systems in order to create something > resembling a municipal wifi system, except that most of these routers are > placed inside homes and have such poor ranges that they're just slightly to > the left of useless. > > Additionally, BT routers are being shipped now with FON enabled by default > (you get the 'option' to disable it when you take out the contract, but I > doubt most normal people even know or understand the significance of the > option). Having seen and used several of these devices, I can't say I've > even noticed anyone actually connecting via FON, or Openzone to routers > under my control. > > Saying that people who go with ISP provided routers get what they deserve > is a bit harsh, a lot of people don't know why such devices aren't up to the > job, and end up going for these options because they're far easier to set > up. It's up to folks like us to design these devices (hardware and software) > in such a way that it's a trivial matter to set them up, a single screen or > a few button presses. > > On a related note, I'm probably going to switch to AAISP in the next few > months, as their routers are hand made, and seem to be rock solid. > > B > > > On 13 Jul 2011, at 22:12, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > > > > > > > On 13/07/11 20:37, Les Pritchard wrote: > >> Oh don't get me wrong, I will always move people (normally willingly > >> once I've explained the dangers!) to WPA2. I had one person tell me > >> someone had complained that their Windows 98 system wouldn't connect. > >> Think we know the answer to that one! > >> > >> As for BT....yes what can we say! I've not done any testing of a BT > >> connection, would someone using BT Fon take bandwidth from the owner of > >> the connection? Or do they reserve a permanent percentage for them at > >> all times? In that case you're not getting the full potential from your > >> connection. > > > > Yes - I agree. Either temporarely, or permanently - it is using what > should be my bandwidth and my connection. It's not like BT are giving some > sort of discount on their connections because they are borrowing said > bandwidth/connection share from their customers. Quite the opposite, really, > if you are to compare their prices with the competition. And the free wifi > comes under BTOpenZone, BTFon and one more branding which is not coming to > me right now. > > > > I take deep satisfaction in replacing the BT branded routers with off the > shelf ones (when they break or there is any other compelling reason) and > always imagine there is a little guy deep down in the BT corporate belly > jumping up and down furiously and frantically shaking fists in the air > because they lost one more of their routers. Well, at least it's the sort of > stuff that makes me feel better :D > > > > Sebastian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- > Bryn Salisbury > http://about.me/bryns/bio > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 21:58:57 2011 From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:58:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <4E1E0A4B.6000006@open-t.co.uk> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> <4E1E0A4B.6000006@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: <130E66B9-BC21-4215-83AC-1E91A65B99C3@gmail.com> I'd been through the logs on the router when I noticed that FON was enabled. They suggested that noone had connected to it. B On 13 Jul 2011, at 22:12, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > > > On 13/07/11 20:37, Les Pritchard wrote: >> Oh don't get me wrong, I will always move people (normally willingly >> once I've explained the dangers!) to WPA2. I had one person tell me >> someone had complained that their Windows 98 system wouldn't connect. >> Think we know the answer to that one! >> >> As for BT....yes what can we say! I've not done any testing of a BT >> connection, would someone using BT Fon take bandwidth from the owner of >> the connection? Or do they reserve a permanent percentage for them at >> all times? In that case you're not getting the full potential from your >> connection. > > Yes - I agree. Either temporarely, or permanently - it is using what should be my bandwidth and my connection. It's not like BT are giving some sort of discount on their connections because they are borrowing said bandwidth/connection share from their customers. Quite the opposite, really, if you are to compare their prices with the competition. And the free wifi comes under BTOpenZone, BTFon and one more branding which is not coming to me right now. > > I take deep satisfaction in replacing the BT branded routers with off the shelf ones (when they break or there is any other compelling reason) and always imagine there is a little guy deep down in the BT corporate belly jumping up and down furiously and frantically shaking fists in the air because they lost one more of their routers. Well, at least it's the sort of stuff that makes me feel better :D > > Sebastian > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Bryn Salisbury http://about.me/bryns/bio From les.pritchard at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 22:01:34 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:01:34 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <130E66B9-BC21-4215-83AC-1E91A65B99C3@gmail.com> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> <4E1E0A4B.6000006@open-t.co.uk> <130E66B9-BC21-4215-83AC-1E91A65B99C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Would be interesting to see how much information you'd see if someone did connect. On 13 July 2011 22:43, Bryn Salisbury wrote: > I'd been through the logs on the router when I noticed that FON was > enabled. They suggested that noone had connected to it. > > B > > On 13 Jul 2011, at 22:12, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > > > > > > > On 13/07/11 20:37, Les Pritchard wrote: > >> Oh don't get me wrong, I will always move people (normally willingly > >> once I've explained the dangers!) to WPA2. I had one person tell me > >> someone had complained that their Windows 98 system wouldn't connect. > >> Think we know the answer to that one! > >> > >> As for BT....yes what can we say! I've not done any testing of a BT > >> connection, would someone using BT Fon take bandwidth from the owner of > >> the connection? Or do they reserve a permanent percentage for them at > >> all times? In that case you're not getting the full potential from your > >> connection. > > > > Yes - I agree. Either temporarely, or permanently - it is using what > should be my bandwidth and my connection. It's not like BT are giving some > sort of discount on their connections because they are borrowing said > bandwidth/connection share from their customers. Quite the opposite, really, > if you are to compare their prices with the competition. And the free wifi > comes under BTOpenZone, BTFon and one more branding which is not coming to > me right now. > > > > I take deep satisfaction in replacing the BT branded routers with off the > shelf ones (when they break or there is any other compelling reason) and > always imagine there is a little guy deep down in the BT corporate belly > jumping up and down furiously and frantically shaking fists in the air > because they lost one more of their routers. Well, at least it's the sort of > stuff that makes me feel better :D > > > > Sebastian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- > Bryn Salisbury > http://about.me/bryns/bio > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 22:19:22 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:19:22 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> <4E1E0A4B.6000006@open-t.co.uk> <130E66B9-BC21-4215-83AC-1E91A65B99C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48247E90-9C41-4713-A553-2716F51E9517@gmail.com> There would surely be a complete separation of traffic inside the switch. One method has already been implied: VLANs. Sent from my mind. On 13 Jul 2011, at 22:46, Les Pritchard wrote: > Would be interesting to see how much information you'd see if someone did connect. > > On 13 July 2011 22:43, Bryn Salisbury wrote: > I'd been through the logs on the router when I noticed that FON was enabled. They suggested that noone had connected to it. > > B > > On 13 Jul 2011, at 22:12, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > > > > > > > On 13/07/11 20:37, Les Pritchard wrote: > >> Oh don't get me wrong, I will always move people (normally willingly > >> once I've explained the dangers!) to WPA2. I had one person tell me > >> someone had complained that their Windows 98 system wouldn't connect. > >> Think we know the answer to that one! > >> > >> As for BT....yes what can we say! I've not done any testing of a BT > >> connection, would someone using BT Fon take bandwidth from the owner of > >> the connection? Or do they reserve a permanent percentage for them at > >> all times? In that case you're not getting the full potential from your > >> connection. > > > > Yes - I agree. Either temporarely, or permanently - it is using what should be my bandwidth and my connection. It's not like BT are giving some sort of discount on their connections because they are borrowing said bandwidth/connection share from their customers. Quite the opposite, really, if you are to compare their prices with the competition. And the free wifi comes under BTOpenZone, BTFon and one more branding which is not coming to me right now. > > > > I take deep satisfaction in replacing the BT branded routers with off the shelf ones (when they break or there is any other compelling reason) and always imagine there is a little guy deep down in the BT corporate belly jumping up and down furiously and frantically shaking fists in the air because they lost one more of their routers. 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URL: From shop at open-t.co.uk Thu Jul 14 01:30:54 2011 From: shop at open-t.co.uk (Sebastian Arcus) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 01:30:54 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <42C12A6C-C37B-49E6-B396-7DE37736AC55@gmail.com> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> <4E1E0A4B.6000006@open-t.co.uk> <42C12A6C-C37B-49E6-B396-7DE37736AC55@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E1E43A6.5000204@open-t.co.uk> > On a related note, I'm probably going to switch to AAISP in the next few months, as their routers are hand made, and seem to be rock solid. Hand made? I'd be really curious as to what exactly does that mean. For some reason I keep on hearing the music from those M&S adverts, with cream flowing over luscious raspberries. Or some such imagery. I'd be happy if they use good chippery, and quality capacitors - I've nothing against being built by some non-unionised robot. If it's up to me, I'm perfectly happy with one of the Netgear routers - pretty much any. Except for the square corners ones - all of them seem to suffer from the red/orange power light startup failure after about one year. There is a long thread on Netgear's forum about it (and no solution). However, even then, once you let the power adapter cool off for about 10 minutes, they'll get going and not stop for another few months. Although some people seem to have different opinions - I must have installed close to 100 Netgears over the years - and they seem to be the most robust consumer routers out there. And at least as far as I'm concerned - the interface actually makes sense. I was trying to configure some port redirection on a router supplied by Plusnet the other day - and I must have gone 10 times in circles until I figured out how did *they* expect you to configure the router to do it. Even a Draytek - which as far as I can tell, seems to be a solid (and not cheap) piece of hardware - if, for some reason, quite unpopular - has an outright weird and unnecessarily obfuscated online interface. Sebastian From mrcrilly at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 12:20:22 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:20:22 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: <4E1E43A6.5000204@open-t.co.uk> References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> <4E1E0A4B.6000006@open-t.co.uk> <42C12A6C-C37B-49E6-B396-7DE37736AC55@gmail.com> <4E1E43A6.5000204@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: I think many of the interfaces you find on consumer grade routers are designed to make NAT, PAT, DHCP, etc all easy to use by the family IT specialist (usually the 12 year old who plays WoW a bit, so he knows IT). However when someone like you or I come across it, it's seen as overly complicated and as if the manufacturer has tried too hard to make it all fluffy and simple. Give me an IOS interface every time and I'll be cooking until midnight ;-) On 14 July 2011 02:17, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > > On a related note, I'm probably going to switch to AAISP in the next few >> months, as their routers are hand made, and seem to be rock solid. >> > > Hand made? I'd be really curious as to what exactly does that mean. For > some reason I keep on hearing the music from those M&S adverts, with cream > flowing over luscious raspberries. Or some such imagery. I'd be happy if > they use good chippery, and quality capacitors - I've nothing against being > built by some non-unionised robot. > > If it's up to me, I'm perfectly happy with one of the Netgear routers - > pretty much any. Except for the square corners ones - all of them seem to > suffer from the red/orange power light startup failure after about one year. > There is a long thread on Netgear's forum about it (and no solution). > However, even then, once you let the power adapter cool off for about 10 > minutes, they'll get going and not stop for another few months. > > Although some people seem to have different opinions - I must have > installed close to 100 Netgears over the years - and they seem to be the > most robust consumer routers out there. And at least as far as I'm concerned > - the interface actually makes sense. > > I was trying to configure some port redirection on a router supplied by > Plusnet the other day - and I must have gone 10 times in circles until I > figured out how did *they* expect you to configure the router to do it. Even > a Draytek - which as far as I can tell, seems to be a solid (and not cheap) > piece of hardware - if, for some reason, quite unpopular - has an outright > weird and unnecessarily obfuscated online interface. > > > Sebastian > > ______________________________**_________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bryn.salisbury at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 12:27:32 2011 From: bryn.salisbury at gmail.com (Bryn Salisbury) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:27:32 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] WiFi Terror In-Reply-To: References: <4E1DAA7D.4050101@gmail.com> <4E1DB576.7010503@gmail.com> <80B37881-788F-4EB5-8390-9AD529CB2F74@gmail.com> <4E1DB894.7010103@gmail.com> <4E1DBBF6.7010303@gmail.com> <4E1DF064.1000704@open-t.co.uk> <4E1E0A4B.6000006@open-t.co.uk> <42C12A6C-C37B-49E6-B396-7DE37736AC55@gmail.com> <4E1E43A6.5000204@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: Yeah, I have the idea in my head for a WiFi router with a touch screen on it (hidden behind a case or something), which asks a few simple questions: 1. What do you want the network to be named? 2. What's your ISP account number? Expanding to require ISP passwords and alike. 3. What would you like the password to be? It defaults to WPA2, as there is no need to confuse people by asking "WEP? WPA2? WPA2 Enterprise?" The device would include the relevant presets for the ISPs that are out there. You'd then close the case and the job would be done. No need to plug in the laptop to the network interface, or install software on their laptop to configure the router. I can't really think of a way to make it simpler than that… Bryn On 14 Jul 2011, at 13:05, Michael Crilly wrote: > I think many of the interfaces you find on consumer grade routers are designed to make NAT, PAT, DHCP, etc all easy to use by the family IT specialist (usually the 12 year old who plays WoW a bit, so he knows IT). However when someone like you or I come across it, it's seen as overly complicated and as if the manufacturer has tried too hard to make it all fluffy and simple. > > Give me an IOS interface every time and I'll be cooking until midnight ;-) > > On 14 July 2011 02:17, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > > On a related note, I'm probably going to switch to AAISP in the next few months, as their routers are hand made, and seem to be rock solid. > > Hand made? I'd be really curious as to what exactly does that mean. For some reason I keep on hearing the music from those M&S adverts, with cream flowing over luscious raspberries. Or some such imagery. I'd be happy if they use good chippery, and quality capacitors - I've nothing against being built by some non-unionised robot. > > If it's up to me, I'm perfectly happy with one of the Netgear routers - pretty much any. Except for the square corners ones - all of them seem to suffer from the red/orange power light startup failure after about one year. There is a long thread on Netgear's forum about it (and no solution). However, even then, once you let the power adapter cool off for about 10 minutes, they'll get going and not stop for another few months. > > Although some people seem to have different opinions - I must have installed close to 100 Netgears over the years - and they seem to be the most robust consumer routers out there. And at least as far as I'm concerned - the interface actually makes sense. > > I was trying to configure some port redirection on a router supplied by Plusnet the other day - and I must have gone 10 times in circles until I figured out how did *they* expect you to configure the router to do it. Even a Draytek - which as far as I can tell, seems to be a solid (and not cheap) piece of hardware - if, for some reason, quite unpopular - has an outright weird and unnecessarily obfuscated online interface. > > > Sebastian > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Bryn Salisbury http://about.me/bryns/bio From shop at open-t.co.uk Mon Jul 25 10:28:52 2011 From: shop at open-t.co.uk (Sebastian Arcus) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:28:52 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] BT WiFi routers Message-ID: <4E2D455E.1000704@open-t.co.uk> Back to the topic of BT routers and BTOpenZone. I'm just in the process of reconfiguring a 2Wire (second generation) BT router. First off, it comes preconfigured with WEP for the regular wifi - but WPA-PSK for the BTFusion part (which I think is used by their silly cordless wifi phones - if I'm not mistaken). Go figure. The cordless phones need more security then the regular business users with their laptops etc. Secondly, I've changed to WPA-PSK the regular wifi, but when I tried to change the LAN IP ranges - it restarted and jumped back to WEP. I've also disabled BTOpenZone on this router (which, by the way, has a tab in the configuration pages showing how many devices are connected at this moment in time) - but after I restarted the router - was enabled again! This router is heading straight for the bin I'm afraid. Sebastian From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Mon Jul 25 10:33:35 2011 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:33:35 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] BT WiFi routers In-Reply-To: <4E2D455E.1000704@open-t.co.uk> References: <4E2D455E.1000704@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: I think I've got a similar problem. A friend of mine asked me to dual boot his PC. I put Ubuntu 10.10 and XP on it. Problem is that XP won't detect any wifi signals at all, and Ubuntu detects them but refuses to connect. He's got a BT business hub. > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 11:28:46 +0100 > From: shop at open-t.co.uk > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: [Chester LUG] BT WiFi routers > > Back to the topic of BT routers and BTOpenZone. I'm just in the process > of reconfiguring a 2Wire (second generation) BT router. First off, it > comes preconfigured with WEP for the regular wifi - but WPA-PSK for the > BTFusion part (which I think is used by their silly cordless wifi phones > - if I'm not mistaken). Go figure. The cordless phones need more > security then the regular business users with their laptops etc. > > Secondly, I've changed to WPA-PSK the regular wifi, but when I tried to > change the LAN IP ranges - it restarted and jumped back to WEP. > > I've also disabled BTOpenZone on this router (which, by the way, has a > tab in the configuration pages showing how many devices are connected at > this moment in time) - but after I restarted the router - was enabled > again! This router is heading straight for the bin I'm afraid. > > Sebastian > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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First off, it comes > preconfigured with WEP for the regular wifi - but WPA-PSK for the BTFusion > part (which I think is used by their silly cordless wifi phones - if I'm not > mistaken). Go figure. The cordless phones need more security then the > regular business users with their laptops etc. > > Secondly, I've changed to WPA-PSK the regular wifi, but when I tried to > change the LAN IP ranges - it restarted and jumped back to WEP. > > I've also disabled BTOpenZone on this router (which, by the way, has a tab > in the configuration pages showing how many devices are connected at this > moment in time) - but after I restarted the router - was enabled again! This > router is heading straight for the bin I'm afraid. > > Sebastian > > ______________________________**_________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shop at open-t.co.uk Mon Jul 25 10:45:44 2011 From: shop at open-t.co.uk (Sebastian Arcus) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:45:44 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] BT WiFi routers In-Reply-To: References: <4E2D455E.1000704@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: <4E2D4952.8040501@open-t.co.uk> I think you are right. I vaguely remember talk few years back how BT were going to release this hybrid (=fusion, geddit?) system where the phone will work as a house phone when home, but then seamlessly switch to a mobile when out and about. I think it was during the days when they still owned O2 (sorry, BTCellnet). As far as I remember last I've heard of it - it was left in a lurch by BT top brass. Sebastian On 25/07/11 11:36, Les Pritchard wrote: > Sounds like a great product to me! I spent a while with one version of > those routers trying to switch the wifi off completely but it wouldn't > let me. Probably because of the Fusion phone service you mention. Maybe > they're working up to having a system where you can take your home phone > out and about and use it where ever there is a BTFusion spot....Rabbit > anyone?! > > On 25 July 2011 11:28, Sebastian Arcus > wrote: > > Back to the topic of BT routers and BTOpenZone. I'm just in the > process of reconfiguring a 2Wire (second generation) BT router. > First off, it comes preconfigured with WEP for the regular wifi - > but WPA-PSK for the BTFusion part (which I think is used by their > silly cordless wifi phones - if I'm not mistaken). Go figure. The > cordless phones need more security then the regular business users > with their laptops etc. > > Secondly, I've changed to WPA-PSK the regular wifi, but when I tried > to change the LAN IP ranges - it restarted and jumped back to WEP. > > I've also disabled BTOpenZone on this router (which, by the way, has > a tab in the configuration pages showing how many devices are > connected at this moment in time) - but after I restarted the router > - was enabled again! This router is heading straight for the bin I'm > afraid. > > Sebastian > > _________________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/__mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From mrcrilly at gmail.com Mon Jul 25 19:32:25 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:32:25 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] BT WiFi routers In-Reply-To: <4E2D4952.8040501@open-t.co.uk> References: <4E2D455E.1000704@open-t.co.uk> <4E2D4952.8040501@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: They sound like terrible devices that should be banned from production. It clearly shows that BT want to maximise their customer based instead of trying to offer a secure, sane service out-of-the-box. On 25 Jul 2011, at 11:45, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > I think you are right. I vaguely remember talk few years back how BT were going to release this hybrid (=fusion, geddit?) system where the phone will work as a house phone when home, but then seamlessly switch to a mobile when out and about. I think it was during the days when they still owned O2 (sorry, BTCellnet). As far as I remember last I've heard of it - it was left in a lurch by BT top brass. > > Sebastian > > > On 25/07/11 11:36, Les Pritchard wrote: >> Sounds like a great product to me! I spent a while with one version of >> those routers trying to switch the wifi off completely but it wouldn't >> let me. Probably because of the Fusion phone service you mention. Maybe >> they're working up to having a system where you can take your home phone >> out and about and use it where ever there is a BTFusion spot....Rabbit >> anyone?! >> >> On 25 July 2011 11:28, Sebastian Arcus > > wrote: >> >> Back to the topic of BT routers and BTOpenZone. I'm just in the >> process of reconfiguring a 2Wire (second generation) BT router. >> First off, it comes preconfigured with WEP for the regular wifi - >> but WPA-PSK for the BTFusion part (which I think is used by their >> silly cordless wifi phones - if I'm not mistaken). Go figure. The >> cordless phones need more security then the regular business users >> with their laptops etc. >> >> Secondly, I've changed to WPA-PSK the regular wifi, but when I tried >> to change the LAN IP ranges - it restarted and jumped back to WEP. >> >> I've also disabled BTOpenZone on this router (which, by the way, has >> a tab in the configuration pages showing how many devices are >> connected at this moment in time) - but after I restarted the router >> - was enabled again! This router is heading straight for the bin I'm >> afraid. >> >> Sebastian >> >> _________________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/__mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From shop at open-t.co.uk Mon Jul 25 20:48:38 2011 From: shop at open-t.co.uk (Sebastian Arcus) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:48:38 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] BT WiFi routers In-Reply-To: References: <4E2D455E.1000704@open-t.co.uk> <4E2D4952.8040501@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: <4E2DD6A0.2080009@open-t.co.uk> In all fairness to BT - many (not all) routers that come free for ISP's are fairly low quality. One that springs to mind is the white, pyramid shaped one which Wanadoo (and later Orange) use to send out to customers. Can't remember the actual manufacturer - a fairly unknown brand - but what a crappy piece of hardware! First off, they had this idea that you had to press a button in order to allow new devices to connect to the router - kind of like WPS, but their own proprietary implementation. Couldn't be disabled - as far as I remembered. If you just came up to it expecting it to work like a normal router and not reading fully the manual - you would spend hours trying to connect to it with the right wifi password and it wouldn't let you. Then there was the online configuration pages. I've spent about 3 hours one evening until I got to the bottom of it. The wifi password was on one page - but the security settings (WPA, WEP, encryption type etc.) were in a completely different section. It absolutely made no sense. They actually used the same text input field type regardless of what security settings were chosen - WEP or WPA - thus you had to input a WEP style passphrase (both content and length) if you chose WEP *or* WPA. If that is not shoddy interface design. I couldn't believe it when I finally realised how it was programmed to work. Sebastian On 25/07/11 20:32, Michael Crilly wrote: > They sound like terrible devices that should be banned from production. It clearly shows that BT want to maximise their customer based instead of trying to offer a secure, sane service out-of-the-box. > > > On 25 Jul 2011, at 11:45, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > >> I think you are right. I vaguely remember talk few years back how BT were going to release this hybrid (=fusion, geddit?) system where the phone will work as a house phone when home, but then seamlessly switch to a mobile when out and about. I think it was during the days when they still owned O2 (sorry, BTCellnet). As far as I remember last I've heard of it - it was left in a lurch by BT top brass. >> >> Sebastian >> >> >> On 25/07/11 11:36, Les Pritchard wrote: >>> Sounds like a great product to me! I spent a while with one version of >>> those routers trying to switch the wifi off completely but it wouldn't >>> let me. Probably because of the Fusion phone service you mention. Maybe >>> they're working up to having a system where you can take your home phone >>> out and about and use it where ever there is a BTFusion spot....Rabbit >>> anyone?! >>> >>> On 25 July 2011 11:28, Sebastian Arcus>> > wrote: >>> >>> Back to the topic of BT routers and BTOpenZone. I'm just in the >>> process of reconfiguring a 2Wire (second generation) BT router. >>> First off, it comes preconfigured with WEP for the regular wifi - >>> but WPA-PSK for the BTFusion part (which I think is used by their >>> silly cordless wifi phones - if I'm not mistaken). Go figure. The >>> cordless phones need more security then the regular business users >>> with their laptops etc. >>> >>> Secondly, I've changed to WPA-PSK the regular wifi, but when I tried >>> to change the LAN IP ranges - it restarted and jumped back to WEP. >>> >>> I've also disabled BTOpenZone on this router (which, by the way, has >>> a tab in the configuration pages showing how many devices are >>> connected at this moment in time) - but after I restarted the router >>> - was enabled again! This router is heading straight for the bin I'm >>> afraid. >>> >>> Sebastian >>> >>> _________________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/__mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 11:42:15 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:42:15 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet Message-ID: Hi all, The next LUG meet will be this Thursday at the Bear & Billet as usual. 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Many more adverts on UK Government websites still exist however, and on 13th August we'll find them, and aim to get as many of them removed as possible. *Why:* Publicly funded institutions routinely advertise proprietary PDF reader applications on their websites, often stating that a particular vendor's product is "required" for completing basic civic tasks like paying tax or registering a vehicle. Yet Free Software PDF Readers exist for all major operating systems, which can be used to perform the same tasks without sacrificing the freedom of their users. Many institutions carry proprietary software adverts simply out of ignorance, not realising that there are alternatives which protect citizens' freedom. By contacting them we will be making them aware of the existence of Free Software alternatives, and encouraging them to think about the benefits of Free Software in general. *Can it work?:* Throughout Europe, Free Software advocates have already reported more than 2,000 adverts, and successfully removed nearly 500 of them. Many of the success stories involved high profile websites, such as the Belgian Prime Minister, The Mayor of London, and the Bank of Italy. Several adverts have been replaced with links to Free Software PDF Readers on the pdfreaders.org website. *Real progress has been made, now its time to make an impact in the UK!* *Links:* MadLad event page: http://madlab.org.uk/content/stamp-out-the-ads-free-software-pdf-reader- sprint/ Campaign homepage: http://fsfe.org/campaigns/pdfreaders Report an advert from a UK website: http://fsfe.org/campaigns/pdfreaders/bug-report-uk.en.html List of UK adverts already reported: http://fsfe.org/campaigns/pdfreaders/buglist.en.html#GB Website about Free Software PDF Readers: http://pdfreaders.org/ See you there! Sam. -- Sam Tuke British Team Coordinator Free Software Foundation Europe IM : samtuke at jabber.fsfe.org Latest UK Free Software news: uk.fsfe.org Is freedom important to you? Join the fellowship.fsfe.org From veedub at linuxmail.org Tue Jul 26 12:00:34 2011 From: veedub at linuxmail.org (John) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:00:34 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3BA891DF-3378-4B97-93C8-798411424FC9@linuxmail.org> What time please John Sent from my iPad On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:42, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > > The next LUG meet will be this Thursday at the Bear & Billet as usual. We'll be on the 1st floor somewhere! > > See you there. > > Les > > (Thanks to Thomas for reminding me!) > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 12:12:51 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:12:51 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: <3BA891DF-3378-4B97-93C8-798411424FC9@linuxmail.org> References: <3BA891DF-3378-4B97-93C8-798411424FC9@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: Sorry - we normally arrive from 7pm onward. Les On 26 July 2011 13:00, John wrote: > What time please John > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:42, Les Pritchard wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > The next LUG meet will be this Thursday at the Bear & Billet as usual. > We'll be on the 1st floor somewhere! > > > > See you there. > > > > Les > > > > (Thanks to Thomas for reminding me!) > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 13:06:12 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:06:12 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7630993E-1498-43C7-A170-61C713A24C2F@gmail.com> I won't be able to make it sadly. My bike broke down today (all the teeth sheered off of the belt), so I will be bussing it in tomorrow. Have fun though. On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:42, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > > The next LUG meet will be this Thursday at the Bear & Billet as usual. We'll be on the 1st floor somewhere! > > See you there. > > Les > > (Thanks to Thomas for reminding me!) > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 13:47:07 2011 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:47:07 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: <7630993E-1498-43C7-A170-61C713A24C2F@gmail.com> References: <7630993E-1498-43C7-A170-61C713A24C2F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry, I wont be able to attend as I am up to my eyeballs in VMware, beer and strippers ;) On 26 July 2011 09:06, Michael Crilly wrote: > I won't be able to make it sadly. My bike broke down today (all the teeth > sheered off of the belt), so I will be bussing it in tomorrow. > > Have fun though. > > > On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:42, Les Pritchard wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > The next LUG meet will be this Thursday at the Bear & Billet as usual. > We'll be on the 1st floor somewhere! > > > > See you there. > > > > Les > > > > (Thanks to Thomas for reminding me!) > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 13:48:19 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:48:19 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: <7630993E-1498-43C7-A170-61C713A24C2F@gmail.com> Message-ID: So why is that different to any other month? :-) On 26 July 2011 14:46, Stuart Burns wrote: > Sorry, I wont be able to attend as I am up to my eyeballs in VMware, beer > and strippers ;) > > > On 26 July 2011 09:06, Michael Crilly wrote: > >> I won't be able to make it sadly. My bike broke down today (all the teeth >> sheered off of the belt), so I will be bussing it in tomorrow. >> >> Have fun though. >> >> >> On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:42, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > The next LUG meet will be this Thursday at the Bear & Billet as usual. >> We'll be on the 1st floor somewhere! >> > >> > See you there. >> > >> > Les >> > >> > (Thanks to Thomas for reminding me!) >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chester mailing list >> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 13:50:55 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:50:55 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: <7630993E-1498-43C7-A170-61C713A24C2F@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's different because these strippers have baby blue eyes and long blonde hair… and they're all called Russell. On 26 Jul 2011, at 14:46, Stuart Burns wrote: > Sorry, I wont be able to attend as I am up to my eyeballs in VMware, beer and strippers ;) > > On 26 July 2011 09:06, Michael Crilly wrote: > I won't be able to make it sadly. My bike broke down today (all the teeth sheered off of the belt), so I will be bussing it in tomorrow. > > Have fun though. > > > On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:42, Les Pritchard wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > The next LUG meet will be this Thursday at the Bear & Billet as usual. We'll be on the 1st floor somewhere! > > > > See you there. > > > > Les > > > > (Thanks to Thomas for reminding me!) > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 13:53:31 2011 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:53:31 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: <7630993E-1498-43C7-A170-61C713A24C2F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, here is a theory why uk strippers are so not with it. In the states you have dollar bills you can put in their garter etc. In the uk, you dont have one pound notes, so what are you gonna do, throw 50p at them ? 5 quid per go seems expensive ;) On 26 July 2011 09:50, Michael Crilly wrote: > It's different because these strippers have baby blue eyes and long blonde > hair… and they're all called Russell. > > > On 26 Jul 2011, at 14:46, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Sorry, I wont be able to attend as I am up to my eyeballs in VMware, beer > and strippers ;) > > On 26 July 2011 09:06, Michael Crilly wrote: > >> I won't be able to make it sadly. My bike broke down today (all the teeth >> sheered off of the belt), so I will be bussing it in tomorrow. >> >> Have fun though. >> >> >> On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:42, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > The next LUG meet will be this Thursday at the Bear & Billet as usual. >> We'll be on the 1st floor somewhere! >> > >> > See you there. >> > >> > Les >> > >> > (Thanks to Thomas for reminding me!) >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chester mailing list >> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 14:08:09 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:08:09 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: <7630993E-1498-43C7-A170-61C713A24C2F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6BBF8570-636D-4C9C-876F-352A10179071@gmail.com> Don't the Scottish have £1 notes? :P On 26 Jul 2011, at 14:53, Stuart Burns wrote: > Well, here is a theory why uk strippers are so not with it. In the states you have dollar bills you can put in their garter etc. In the uk, you dont have one pound notes, so what are you gonna do, throw 50p at them ? 5 quid per go seems expensive ;) > > On 26 July 2011 09:50, Michael Crilly wrote: > It's different because these strippers have baby blue eyes and long blonde hair… and they're all called Russell. > > > On 26 Jul 2011, at 14:46, Stuart Burns wrote: > >> Sorry, I wont be able to attend as I am up to my eyeballs in VMware, beer and strippers ;) >> >> On 26 July 2011 09:06, Michael Crilly wrote: >> I won't be able to make it sadly. My bike broke down today (all the teeth sheered off of the belt), so I will be bussing it in tomorrow. >> >> Have fun though. >> >> >> On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:42, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > The next LUG meet will be this Thursday at the Bear & Billet as usual. We'll be on the 1st floor somewhere! >> > >> > See you there. >> > >> > Les >> > >> > (Thanks to Thomas for reminding me!) >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chester mailing list >> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> -- >> Stuart Burns >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> M: [redacted] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 15:32:17 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:32:17 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Desktops new and old Message-ID: A trip down memory lane..... http://toastytech.com/guis/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark_kh at tiscali.co.uk Tue Jul 26 20:30:26 2011 From: mark_kh at tiscali.co.uk (mark_kh at tiscali.co.uk) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:30:26 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14116226.1486951311712215029.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Still working down in the great smoke. Have a great meeting Mark >---- Original Message---- >From: les.pritchard at gmail.com >Date: 26/07/2011 12:42 >To: "chester" >Subj: [Chester LUG] Meet > >Hi all, > >The next LUG meet will be this Thursday at the Bear & Billet as usual. We'll >be on the 1st floor somewhere! > >See you there. > >Les > >(Thanks to Thomas for reminding me!) >_______________________________________________ >Chester mailing list >Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester> From joe.foy at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 09:14:10 2011 From: joe.foy at gmail.com (Joe Foy) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:14:10 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: <6BBF8570-636D-4C9C-876F-352A10179071@gmail.com> References: <7630993E-1498-43C7-A170-61C713A24C2F@gmail.com> <6BBF8570-636D-4C9C-876F-352A10179071@gmail.com> Message-ID: they do, but would you recognise one when it was shoved into your G-string? On 26 July 2011 15:08, Michael Crilly wrote: > Don't the Scottish have £1 notes? :P From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Wed Jul 27 09:21:04 2011 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:21:04 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: , <7630993E-1498-43C7-A170-61C713A24C2F@gmail.com>, , , , <6BBF8570-636D-4C9C-876F-352A10179071@gmail.com>, Message-ID: Not sure. No-one ever shoved money in my pants. > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:14:04 +0100 > From: joe.foy at gmail.com > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meet > > they do, but would you recognise one when it was shoved into your G-string? > > On 26 July 2011 15:08, Michael Crilly wrote: > > Don't the Scottish have £1 notes? :P > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 09:29:37 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:29:37 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: <7630993E-1498-43C7-A170-61C713A24C2F@gmail.com> <6BBF8570-636D-4C9C-876F-352A10179071@gmail.com> Message-ID: You never noticed the jingle as Joe walks into the room? :-p On 27 July 2011 10:20, Paul Williams wrote: > Not sure. 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URL: From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Wed Jul 27 09:31:08 2011 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:31:08 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: , <7630993E-1498-43C7-A170-61C713A24C2F@gmail.com>, , , , <6BBF8570-636D-4C9C-876F-352A10179071@gmail.com>, , , Message-ID: Maybe that's because the bars he goes to don't do pound notes. lol Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:29:30 +0100 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meet You never noticed the jingle as Joe walks into the room? :-p On 27 July 2011 10:20, Paul Williams wrote: Not sure. No-one ever shoved money in my pants. > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:14:04 +0100 > From: joe.foy at gmail.com > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meet > > they do, but would you recognise one when it was shoved into your G-string? > > On 26 July 2011 15:08, Michael Crilly wrote: > > Don't the Scottish have £1 notes? :P > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Les _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From veedub at linuxmail.org Thu Jul 28 14:08:44 2011 From: veedub at linuxmail.org (John) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:08:44 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder: LUG Meet tonight! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <117BA1B2-E740-4733-9B57-2A9FA71838BA@linuxmail.org> See you there John Sent from my iPad On 28 Jul 2011, at 14:28, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > > The Chester LUG meet is tonight in the Bear & Billet from 7pm. We'll be on the 1st floor. > > See you later. > > Les > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From thomas at thomasprophett.co.uk Thu Jul 28 16:17:22 2011 From: thomas at thomasprophett.co.uk (Thomas Prophett) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:17:22 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder: LUG Meet tonight! In-Reply-To: <117BA1B2-E740-4733-9B57-2A9FA71838BA@linuxmail.org> References: <117BA1B2-E740-4733-9B57-2A9FA71838BA@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: see you later all On 28 July 2011 15:08, John wrote: > See you there John > > Sent from my iPad > > On 28 Jul 2011, at 14:28, Les Pritchard wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > The Chester LUG meet is tonight in the Bear & Billet from 7pm. We'll be > on the 1st floor. > > > > See you later. > > > > Les > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Thu Jul 28 17:32:35 2011 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:32:35 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Reminder: LUG Meet tonight! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E319D2F.4060706@iucr.org> Sorry guys can't be there tonight. I'll make extra effort next month :) Dave. On 28/07/11 14:28, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > > The Chester LUG meet is tonight in the Bear & Billet from 7pm. We'll be > on the 1st floor. > > See you later. > > Les > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 19:00:34 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:00:34 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! Message-ID: We've had to move up the road to the Old King's Head as there was a very loud party in the bear & billet. Les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 19:06:40 2011 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:06:40 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: oops ;) On 28 July 2011 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: > We've had to move up the road to the Old King's Head as there was a very > loud party in the bear & billet. > > Les > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 19:29:17 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:29:17 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I really think we should consider booking the room at the Bear and Billet or somewhere else in the area (which could be cheaper than the B&B's £50 fee). I know the LUG does not (and ideally should not) involve money, but it would make meet up much more comfortable. I would be willing to chip in. On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:00, Les Pritchard wrote: > We've had to move up the road to the Old King's Head as there was a very loud party in the bear & billet. > > Les > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 19:33:44 2011 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:33:44 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well here is an idea, what about the tap house. Thats a very cool venue and they have a little room to the side. Dunno bout wifi though. They do proper ale also ;) ;) ;) On 28 July 2011 15:29, Michael Crilly wrote: > I really think we should consider booking the room at the Bear and Billet > or somewhere else in the area (which could be cheaper than the B&B's £50 > fee). I know the LUG does not (and ideally should not) involve money, but it > would make meet up much more comfortable. > > I would be willing to chip in. > > > On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:00, Les Pritchard wrote: > > We've had to move up the road to the Old King's Head as there was a very > loud party in the bear & billet. > > Les > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 19:33:57 2011 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:33:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: and v close to current venue On 28 July 2011 15:33, Stuart Burns wrote: > Well here is an idea, what about the tap house. Thats a very cool venue and > they have a little room to the side. Dunno bout wifi though. They do proper > ale also ;) ;) ;) > > > On 28 July 2011 15:29, Michael Crilly wrote: > >> I really think we should consider booking the room at the Bear and Billet >> or somewhere else in the area (which could be cheaper than the B&B's £50 >> fee). I know the LUG does not (and ideally should not) involve money, but it >> would make meet up much more comfortable. >> >> I would be willing to chip in. >> >> >> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >> We've had to move up the road to the Old King's Head as there was a very >> loud party in the bear & billet. >> >> Les >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 19:38:16 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:38:16 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <993CD5B8-5DB5-4A8D-BE1C-DD1810DD156B@gmail.com> How about a local AA meeting for our resident alcoholic, Stuart Burns? :P On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:33, Stuart Burns wrote: > Well here is an idea, what about the tap house. Thats a very cool venue and they have a little room to the side. Dunno bout wifi though. They do proper ale also ;) ;) ;) > > On 28 July 2011 15:29, Michael Crilly wrote: > I really think we should consider booking the room at the Bear and Billet or somewhere else in the area (which could be cheaper than the B&B's £50 fee). I know the LUG does not (and ideally should not) involve money, but it would make meet up much more comfortable. > > I would be willing to chip in. > > > On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:00, Les Pritchard wrote: > >> We've had to move up the road to the Old King's Head as there was a very loud party in the bear & billet. >> >> Les >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 19:42:19 2011 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:42:19 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! In-Reply-To: <993CD5B8-5DB5-4A8D-BE1C-DD1810DD156B@gmail.com> References: <993CD5B8-5DB5-4A8D-BE1C-DD1810DD156B@gmail.com> Message-ID: AKA The camra club ;) On 28 July 2011 15:38, Michael Crilly wrote: > How about a local AA meeting for our resident alcoholic, Stuart Burns? :P > > On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:33, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Well here is an idea, what about the tap house. Thats a very cool venue and > they have a little room to the side. Dunno bout wifi though. They do proper > ale also ;) ;) ;) > > On 28 July 2011 15:29, Michael Crilly wrote: > >> I really think we should consider booking the room at the Bear and Billet >> or somewhere else in the area (which could be cheaper than the B&B's £50 >> fee). I know the LUG does not (and ideally should not) involve money, but it >> would make meet up much more comfortable. >> >> I would be willing to chip in. >> >> >> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >> We've had to move up the road to the Old King's Head as there was a very >> loud party in the bear & billet. >> >> Les >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 19:57:24 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:57:24 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is that the brewrey tap on lower bridge street? On 28 Jul 2011 20:33, "Stuart Burns" wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 19:57:57 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:57:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! In-Reply-To: References: <993CD5B8-5DB5-4A8D-BE1C-DD1810DD156B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1542B64A-A15C-4DE8-90DF-3792EBF5FA46@gmail.com> Haha. Very good. Maybe we should bring Richard Stallman along and he can sing his Free Software song and scare everyone out of the pub ;-) On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:42, Stuart Burns wrote: > AKA The camra club ;) > > On 28 July 2011 15:38, Michael Crilly wrote: > How about a local AA meeting for our resident alcoholic, Stuart Burns? :P > > On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:33, Stuart Burns wrote: > >> Well here is an idea, what about the tap house. Thats a very cool venue and they have a little room to the side. Dunno bout wifi though. They do proper ale also ;) ;) ;) >> >> On 28 July 2011 15:29, Michael Crilly wrote: >> I really think we should consider booking the room at the Bear and Billet or somewhere else in the area (which could be cheaper than the B&B's £50 fee). I know the LUG does not (and ideally should not) involve money, but it would make meet up much more comfortable. >> >> I would be willing to chip in. >> >> >> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >>> We've had to move up the road to the Old King's Head as there was a very loud party in the bear & billet. >>> >>> Les >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Stuart Burns >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> M: [redacted] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 21:31:56 2011 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:31:56 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! In-Reply-To: <1542B64A-A15C-4DE8-90DF-3792EBF5FA46@gmail.com> References: <993CD5B8-5DB5-4A8D-BE1C-DD1810DD156B@gmail.com> <1542B64A-A15C-4DE8-90DF-3792EBF5FA46@gmail.com> Message-ID: It is indeed the one on Lower bridge street. On 28 July 2011 15:57, Michael Crilly wrote: > Haha. Very good. Maybe we should bring Richard Stallman along and he can > sing his Free Software song and scare everyone out of the pub ;-) > > On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:42, Stuart Burns wrote: > > AKA The camra club ;) > > On 28 July 2011 15:38, Michael Crilly wrote: > >> How about a local AA meeting for our resident alcoholic, Stuart Burns? :P >> >> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:33, Stuart Burns wrote: >> >> Well here is an idea, what about the tap house. Thats a very cool venue >> and they have a little room to the side. Dunno bout wifi though. They do >> proper ale also ;) ;) ;) >> >> On 28 July 2011 15:29, Michael Crilly wrote: >> >>> I really think we should consider booking the room at the Bear and Billet >>> or somewhere else in the area (which could be cheaper than the B&B's £50 >>> fee). I know the LUG does not (and ideally should not) involve money, but it >>> would make meet up much more comfortable. >>> >>> I would be willing to chip in. >>> >>> >>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >>> >>> We've had to move up the road to the Old King's Head as there was a very >>> loud party in the bear & billet. >>> >>> Les >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Stuart Burns >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> M: [redacted] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 21:32:20 2011 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:32:20 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! In-Reply-To: References: <993CD5B8-5DB5-4A8D-BE1C-DD1810DD156B@gmail.com> <1542B64A-A15C-4DE8-90DF-3792EBF5FA46@gmail.com> Message-ID: just an idea, as we don't seem to manage to stay anywhere normal people drink ;) On 28 July 2011 17:31, Stuart Burns wrote: > It is indeed the one on Lower bridge street. > > > On 28 July 2011 15:57, Michael Crilly wrote: > >> Haha. Very good. Maybe we should bring Richard Stallman along and he can >> sing his Free Software song and scare everyone out of the pub ;-) >> >> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:42, Stuart Burns wrote: >> >> AKA The camra club ;) >> >> On 28 July 2011 15:38, Michael Crilly wrote: >> >>> How about a local AA meeting for our resident alcoholic, Stuart Burns? :P >>> >>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:33, Stuart Burns wrote: >>> >>> Well here is an idea, what about the tap house. Thats a very cool venue >>> and they have a little room to the side. Dunno bout wifi though. They do >>> proper ale also ;) ;) ;) >>> >>> On 28 July 2011 15:29, Michael Crilly wrote: >>> >>>> I really think we should consider booking the room at the Bear and >>>> Billet or somewhere else in the area (which could be cheaper than the B&B's >>>> £50 fee). I know the LUG does not (and ideally should not) involve money, >>>> but it would make meet up much more comfortable. >>>> >>>> I would be willing to chip in. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >>>> >>>> We've had to move up the road to the Old King's Head as there was a very >>>> loud party in the bear & billet. >>>> >>>> Les >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Stuart Burns >>> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >>> M: [redacted] >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Stuart Burns >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> M: [redacted] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 21:38:39 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:38:39 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! In-Reply-To: References: <993CD5B8-5DB5-4A8D-BE1C-DD1810DD156B@gmail.com> <1542B64A-A15C-4DE8-90DF-3792EBF5FA46@gmail.com> Message-ID: True, the kind of people who go to that pub do look like they'd be good kernel hackers :-) On 28 Jul 2011 22:32, "Stuart Burns" wrote: > just an idea, as we don't seem to manage to stay anywhere normal people > drink ;) > > > On 28 July 2011 17:31, Stuart Burns wrote: > >> It is indeed the one on Lower bridge street. >> >> >> On 28 July 2011 15:57, Michael Crilly wrote: >> >>> Haha. Very good. Maybe we should bring Richard Stallman along and he can >>> sing his Free Software song and scare everyone out of the pub ;-) >>> >>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:42, Stuart Burns wrote: >>> >>> AKA The camra club ;) >>> >>> On 28 July 2011 15:38, Michael Crilly wrote: >>> >>>> How about a local AA meeting for our resident alcoholic, Stuart Burns? :P >>>> >>>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:33, Stuart Burns wrote: >>>> >>>> Well here is an idea, what about the tap house. Thats a very cool venue >>>> and they have a little room to the side. Dunno bout wifi though. They do >>>> proper ale also ;) ;) ;) >>>> >>>> On 28 July 2011 15:29, Michael Crilly wrote: >>>> >>>>> I really think we should consider booking the room at the Bear and >>>>> Billet or somewhere else in the area (which could be cheaper than the B&B's >>>>> £50 fee). I know the LUG does not (and ideally should not) involve money, >>>>> but it would make meet up much more comfortable. >>>>> >>>>> I would be willing to chip in. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We've had to move up the road to the Old King's Head as there was a very >>>>> loud party in the bear & billet. >>>>> >>>>> Les >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Stuart Burns >>>> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >>>> M: [redacted] >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Stuart Burns >>> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >>> M: [redacted] >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Stuart Burns >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> M: [redacted] >> >> >> > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Jul 28 21:42:07 2011 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 21:42:07 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet - change of venue! In-Reply-To: References: <993CD5B8-5DB5-4A8D-BE1C-DD1810DD156B@gmail.com> <1542B64A-A15C-4DE8-90DF-3792EBF5FA46@gmail.com> Message-ID: Or we could have it in your garage ^H^H server room Les, we will bring a crate ;) Rachel would just love that ! On 28 July 2011 17:38, Les Pritchard wrote: > True, the kind of people who go to that pub do look like they'd be good > kernel hackers :-) > On 28 Jul 2011 22:32, "Stuart Burns" wrote: > > just an idea, as we don't seem to manage to stay anywhere normal people > > drink ;) > > > > > > On 28 July 2011 17:31, Stuart Burns > wrote: > > > >> It is indeed the one on Lower bridge street. > >> > >> > >> On 28 July 2011 15:57, Michael Crilly wrote: > >> > >>> Haha. Very good. Maybe we should bring Richard Stallman along and he > can > >>> sing his Free Software song and scare everyone out of the pub ;-) > >>> > >>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:42, Stuart Burns wrote: > >>> > >>> AKA The camra club ;) > >>> > >>> On 28 July 2011 15:38, Michael Crilly wrote: > >>> > >>>> How about a local AA meeting for our resident alcoholic, Stuart Burns? > :P > >>>> > >>>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:33, Stuart Burns wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Well here is an idea, what about the tap house. Thats a very cool > venue > >>>> and they have a little room to the side. Dunno bout wifi though. They > do > >>>> proper ale also ;) ;) ;) > >>>> > >>>> On 28 July 2011 15:29, Michael Crilly wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I really think we should consider booking the room at the Bear and > >>>>> Billet or somewhere else in the area (which could be cheaper than the > B&B's > >>>>> £50 fee). I know the LUG does not (and ideally should not) involve > money, > >>>>> but it would make meet up much more comfortable. > >>>>> > >>>>> I would be willing to chip in. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 28 Jul 2011, at 20:00, Les Pritchard wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> We've had to move up the road to the Old King's Head as there was a > very > >>>>> loud party in the bear & billet. > >>>>> > >>>>> Les > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> > >>>>> Chester mailing list > >>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Chester mailing list > >>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Stuart Burns > >>>> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > >>>> M: [redacted] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Chester mailing list > >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Chester mailing list > >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Stuart Burns > >>> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > >>> M: [redacted] > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Chester mailing list > >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Chester mailing list > >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Stuart Burns > >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > >> M: [redacted] > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Stuart Burns > > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > > M: [redacted] > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's underneath the News From Nowhere book shop. There's a door to the right of the book shop entrance and a buzzer marked Liverpool Social Centre you'll need to press. If you have any problems finding us you can always email me via - dan at danlynch.org Sebastian Arcus will be bringing us the eagerly awaited 2nd part of his Asterisk talk/demo. Here's a teaser from the maestro: "Due to unpopular demand and after repeated, but unavoidable delays, LivLUG of Liverpool in collaboration with Sebastian presents "Introduction to Asterisk - Part Deux". This time around we will focus on the practicalities of installing and configuring Asterisk. Things to look forward to: 1. Configuration of sip clients - both hard and soft phones. 2. Sip configuration in Asterisk - for clients and for trunks. 3. Basics of dial plan configuration, routing calls and dial plan functions. For an introduction to Asterisk visit www.asterisk.org or the corresponding Wikipedia page." Entry is of course free and all are welcome, whether you're a hardcore kernel hacker or you're not even 100% sure what Linux is. After the main meeting we'll adjourn to LEAF just over the road for drinks. If you'd like to know any more about the LUG try our website: http://livlug.org.uk See you there :) Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Sun Jul 31 15:07:06 2011 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:07:06 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Thanks Dan. I can't go (budget reasons, plus wednesday is the wife's night out), but it's a bit of a coincidence you emailing as I'm currenly listening to you and Fab reviewing his new honeycomb tablet (yes I know, I'm one show behind!) Keep up the good work! Paul Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:24:51 +0100 From: dan at danlynch.org To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm It's almost the first Wednesday of the month and that can only mean one thing... it's LivLUG time! This month we'll meet at the Liverpool Social Centre on Bold St as usual. It's underneath the News From Nowhere book shop. There's a door to the right of the book shop entrance and a buzzer marked Liverpool Social Centre you'll need to press. If you have any problems finding us you can always email me via - dan at danlynch.org Sebastian Arcus will be bringing us the eagerly awaited 2nd part of his Asterisk talk/demo. Here's a teaser from the maestro: "Due to unpopular demand and after repeated, but unavoidable delays, LivLUG of Liverpool in collaboration with Sebastian presents "Introduction to Asterisk - Part Deux". This time around we will focus on the practicalities of installing and configuring Asterisk. Things to look forward to: 1. Configuration of sip clients - both hard and soft phones. 2. Sip configuration in Asterisk - for clients and for trunks. 3. Basics of dial plan configuration, routing calls and dial plan functions. For an introduction to Asterisk visit www.asterisk.org or the corresponding Wikipedia page." Entry is of course free and all are welcome, whether you're a hardcore kernel hacker or you're not even 100% sure what Linux is. After the main meeting we'll adjourn to LEAF just over the road for drinks. If you'd like to know any more about the LUG try our website: http://livlug.org.uk See you there :) Dan _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan at danlynch.org Sun Jul 31 15:16:51 2011 From: dan at danlynch.org (Dan Lynch) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:16:51 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul, it's a shame you can't make it but hopefully sometime in future. Apologies to everyone at Chester LUG for my lack of attendance lately. Thursday night's are always busy for me but I shall make it back soon. I'm working on it ;) If you're only one show behind on Linux Outlaws you're doing well. I have often described us a DOS attack on the ears. Many people are 4 or 5 episodes behind. Phew! See ya, Dan On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > Thanks Dan. I can't go (budget reasons, plus wednesday is the wife's > night out), but it's a bit of a coincidence you emailing as I'm currenly > listening to you and Fab reviewing his new honeycomb tablet (yes I know, I'm > one show behind!) > > Keep up the good work! > > Paul > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:24:51 +0100 > From: dan at danlynch.org > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm > > > It's almost the first Wednesday of the month and that can only mean one > thing... it's LivLUG time! > > This month we'll meet at the Liverpool Social Centre on Bold St as usual. > It's underneath the News From Nowhere book shop. There's a door to the right > of the book shop entrance and a buzzer marked Liverpool Social Centre you'll > need to press. If you have any problems finding us you can always email me > via - dan at danlynch.org > > Sebastian Arcus will be bringing us the eagerly awaited 2nd part of his > Asterisk talk/demo. Here's a teaser from the maestro: > > "Due to unpopular demand and after repeated, but unavoidable delays, LivLUG > of Liverpool in collaboration with Sebastian presents "Introduction to > Asterisk - Part Deux". This time around we will focus on the practicalities > of installing and configuring Asterisk. Things to look forward to: > > 1. Configuration of sip clients - both hard and soft phones. > 2. Sip configuration in Asterisk - for clients and for trunks. > 3. Basics of dial plan configuration, routing calls and dial plan > functions. > > For an introduction to Asterisk visit www.asterisk.org or the > corresponding Wikipedia page." > > Entry is of course free and all are welcome, whether you're a hardcore > kernel hacker or you're not even 100% sure what Linux is. After the main > meeting we'll adjourn to LEAF just over the road for drinks. > > If you'd like to know any more about the LUG try our website: > http://livlug.org.uk > > See you there :) > > Dan > > > _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Sun Jul 31 15:30:24 2011 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:30:24 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm In-Reply-To: References: , , , Message-ID: If you'd turned up late last week you'd have wondered where we'd all gone. If I was 5 mins later than I had been, I'd have missed everyone as they all relocated due to an overcrowded pub. Hopefully we'll see you soon. As for me going to Liverpool in the future... who knows.... Is it always a wednesday? My wife does Rainbows and Guides on a Wednesday so I've got the kids. Plus until I manage to secure a job (no luck in the last 2 years), I doubt I'll get a mortgage for the petrol! lol. Paul Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:16:48 +0100 From: dan at danlynch.org To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm Hi Paul, it's a shame you can't make it but hopefully sometime in future. Apologies to everyone at Chester LUG for my lack of attendance lately. Thursday night's are always busy for me but I shall make it back soon. I'm working on it ;) If you're only one show behind on Linux Outlaws you're doing well. I have often described us a DOS attack on the ears. Many people are 4 or 5 episodes behind. Phew! See ya, Dan On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Paul Williams wrote: Thanks Dan. I can't go (budget reasons, plus wednesday is the wife's night out), but it's a bit of a coincidence you emailing as I'm currenly listening to you and Fab reviewing his new honeycomb tablet (yes I know, I'm one show behind!) Keep up the good work! Paul Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:24:51 +0100 From: dan at danlynch.org To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm It's almost the first Wednesday of the month and that can only mean one thing... it's LivLUG time! This month we'll meet at the Liverpool Social Centre on Bold St as usual. It's underneath the News From Nowhere book shop. There's a door to the right of the book shop entrance and a buzzer marked Liverpool Social Centre you'll need to press. If you have any problems finding us you can always email me via - dan at danlynch.org Sebastian Arcus will be bringing us the eagerly awaited 2nd part of his Asterisk talk/demo. Here's a teaser from the maestro: "Due to unpopular demand and after repeated, but unavoidable delays, LivLUG of Liverpool in collaboration with Sebastian presents "Introduction to Asterisk - Part Deux". This time around we will focus on the practicalities of installing and configuring Asterisk. Things to look forward to: 1. Configuration of sip clients - both hard and soft phones. 2. Sip configuration in Asterisk - for clients and for trunks. 3. Basics of dial plan configuration, routing calls and dial plan functions. For an introduction to Asterisk visit www.asterisk.org or the corresponding Wikipedia page." Entry is of course free and all are welcome, whether you're a hardcore kernel hacker or you're not even 100% sure what Linux is. 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Plus until I manage to > secure a job (no luck in the last 2 years), I doubt I'll get a mortgage for > the petrol! lol. > > Paul > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:16:48 +0100 > > From: dan at danlynch.org > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - > 7:30pm > > > Hi Paul, it's a shame you can't make it but hopefully sometime in future. > Apologies to everyone at Chester LUG for my lack of attendance lately. > Thursday night's are always busy for me but I shall make it back soon. I'm > working on it ;) > > If you're only one show behind on Linux Outlaws you're doing well. I have > often described us a DOS attack on the ears. Many people are 4 or 5 episodes > behind. Phew! > > See ya, > > Dan > > > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > > Thanks Dan. I can't go (budget reasons, plus wednesday is the wife's > night out), but it's a bit of a coincidence you emailing as I'm currenly > listening to you and Fab reviewing his new honeycomb tablet (yes I know, I'm > one show behind!) > > Keep up the good work! > > Paul > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:24:51 +0100 > From: dan at danlynch.org > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm > > > It's almost the first Wednesday of the month and that can only mean one > thing... it's LivLUG time! > > This month we'll meet at the Liverpool Social Centre on Bold St as usual. > It's underneath the News From Nowhere book shop. There's a door to the right > of the book shop entrance and a buzzer marked Liverpool Social Centre you'll > need to press. If you have any problems finding us you can always email me > via - dan at danlynch.org > > Sebastian Arcus will be bringing us the eagerly awaited 2nd part of his > Asterisk talk/demo. Here's a teaser from the maestro: > > "Due to unpopular demand and after repeated, but unavoidable delays, LivLUG > of Liverpool in collaboration with Sebastian presents "Introduction to > Asterisk - Part Deux". This time around we will focus on the practicalities > of installing and configuring Asterisk. Things to look forward to: > > 1. Configuration of sip clients - both hard and soft phones. > 2. Sip configuration in Asterisk - for clients and for trunks. > 3. Basics of dial plan configuration, routing calls and dial plan > functions. > > For an introduction to Asterisk visit www.asterisk.org or the > corresponding Wikipedia page." > > Entry is of course free and all are welcome, whether you're a hardcore > kernel hacker or you're not even 100% sure what Linux is. 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As for me going to Liverpool in the future... who knows.... Is it always a wednesday? My wife does Rainbows and Guides on a Wednesday so I've got the kids. Plus until I manage to secure a job (no luck in the last 2 years), I doubt I'll get a mortgage for the petrol! lol. Paul Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:16:48 +0100 From: dan at danlynch.org To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm Hi Paul, it's a shame you can't make it but hopefully sometime in future. Apologies to everyone at Chester LUG for my lack of attendance lately. Thursday night's are always busy for me but I shall make it back soon. I'm working on it ;) If you're only one show behind on Linux Outlaws you're doing well. I have often described us a DOS attack on the ears. Many people are 4 or 5 episodes behind. Phew! See ya, Dan On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Paul Williams wrote: Thanks Dan. I can't go (budget reasons, plus wednesday is the wife's night out), but it's a bit of a coincidence you emailing as I'm currenly listening to you and Fab reviewing his new honeycomb tablet (yes I know, I'm one show behind!) Keep up the good work! Paul Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:24:51 +0100 From: dan at danlynch.org To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm It's almost the first Wednesday of the month and that can only mean one thing... it's LivLUG time! This month we'll meet at the Liverpool Social Centre on Bold St as usual. It's underneath the News From Nowhere book shop. There's a door to the right of the book shop entrance and a buzzer marked Liverpool Social Centre you'll need to press. If you have any problems finding us you can always email me via - dan at danlynch.org Sebastian Arcus will be bringing us the eagerly awaited 2nd part of his Asterisk talk/demo. Here's a teaser from the maestro: "Due to unpopular demand and after repeated, but unavoidable delays, LivLUG of Liverpool in collaboration with Sebastian presents "Introduction to Asterisk - Part Deux". This time around we will focus on the practicalities of installing and configuring Asterisk. Things to look forward to: 1. Configuration of sip clients - both hard and soft phones. 2. Sip configuration in Asterisk - for clients and for trunks. 3. Basics of dial plan configuration, routing calls and dial plan functions. For an introduction to Asterisk visit www.asterisk.org or the corresponding Wikipedia page." Entry is of course free and all are welcome, whether you're a hardcore kernel hacker or you're not even 100% sure what Linux is. After the main meeting we'll adjourn to LEAF just over the road for drinks. 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URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 17:56:13 2011 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:56:13 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is anyone else from Chester planning on going to this meet? On 31 July 2011 16:35, Paul Williams wrote: > Thanks. Appreciate it! > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:32:51 +0100 > > From: dan at danlynch.org > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - > 7:30pm > > It is first Wednesday of the month yeah, so it sounds like it might not > work out. But who knows. > > Good luck with the job search. I know a lot of people in that boat right > now. It's not easy. I'll keep my fingers crossed! > > See ya, > > Dan > > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > > If you'd turned up late last week you'd have wondered where we'd all > gone. If I was 5 mins later than I had been, I'd have missed everyone as > they all relocated due to an overcrowded pub. > > Hopefully we'll see you soon. As for me going to Liverpool in the > future... who knows.... Is it always a wednesday? My wife does Rainbows > and Guides on a Wednesday so I've got the kids. Plus until I manage to > secure a job (no luck in the last 2 years), I doubt I'll get a mortgage for > the petrol! lol. > > Paul > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:16:48 +0100 > > From: dan at danlynch.org > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - > 7:30pm > > > Hi Paul, it's a shame you can't make it but hopefully sometime in future. > Apologies to everyone at Chester LUG for my lack of attendance lately. > Thursday night's are always busy for me but I shall make it back soon. I'm > working on it ;) > > If you're only one show behind on Linux Outlaws you're doing well. I have > often described us a DOS attack on the ears. Many people are 4 or 5 episodes > behind. Phew! > > See ya, > > Dan > > > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > > Thanks Dan. I can't go (budget reasons, plus wednesday is the wife's > night out), but it's a bit of a coincidence you emailing as I'm currenly > listening to you and Fab reviewing his new honeycomb tablet (yes I know, I'm > one show behind!) > > Keep up the good work! > > Paul > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:24:51 +0100 > From: dan at danlynch.org > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm > > > It's almost the first Wednesday of the month and that can only mean one > thing... it's LivLUG time! > > This month we'll meet at the Liverpool Social Centre on Bold St as usual. > It's underneath the News From Nowhere book shop. There's a door to the right > of the book shop entrance and a buzzer marked Liverpool Social Centre you'll > need to press. If you have any problems finding us you can always email me > via - dan at danlynch.org > > Sebastian Arcus will be bringing us the eagerly awaited 2nd part of his > Asterisk talk/demo. Here's a teaser from the maestro: > > "Due to unpopular demand and after repeated, but unavoidable delays, LivLUG > of Liverpool in collaboration with Sebastian presents "Introduction to > Asterisk - Part Deux". This time around we will focus on the practicalities > of installing and configuring Asterisk. Things to look forward to: > > 1. Configuration of sip clients - both hard and soft phones. > 2. Sip configuration in Asterisk - for clients and for trunks. > 3. Basics of dial plan configuration, routing calls and dial plan > functions. > > For an introduction to Asterisk visit www.asterisk.org or the > corresponding Wikipedia page." > > Entry is of course free and all are welcome, whether you're a hardcore > kernel hacker or you're not even 100% sure what Linux is. After the main > meeting we'll adjourn to LEAF just over the road for drinks. > > If you'd like to know any more about the LUG try our website: > http://livlug.org.uk > > See you there :) > > Dan > > > _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 20:46:05 2011 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 20:46:05 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EDC0646-34A9-43F7-A82C-2AAB046FBEE7@gmail.com> Hi Les, Yes I want to go it for the Asterisk talk as we use it in work and I want to know more. However me going depends on me getting my motorbike back by Wednesday, which is a strong possibility. Hopefully see you guys there :) On 31 Jul 2011, at 15:24, Dan Lynch wrote: > It's almost the first Wednesday of the month and that can only mean one thing... it's LivLUG time! > > This month we'll meet at the Liverpool Social Centre on Bold St as usual. It's underneath the News From Nowhere book shop. There's a door to the right of the book shop entrance and a buzzer marked Liverpool Social Centre you'll need to press. If you have any problems finding us you can always email me via - dan at danlynch.org > > Sebastian Arcus will be bringing us the eagerly awaited 2nd part of his Asterisk talk/demo. Here's a teaser from the maestro: > > "Due to unpopular demand and after repeated, but unavoidable delays, LivLUG of Liverpool in collaboration with Sebastian presents "Introduction to Asterisk - Part Deux". This time around we will focus on the practicalities of installing and configuring Asterisk. Things to look forward to: > > 1. Configuration of sip clients - both hard and soft phones. > 2. Sip configuration in Asterisk - for clients and for trunks. > 3. Basics of dial plan configuration, routing calls and dial plan functions. > > For an introduction to Asterisk visit www.asterisk.org or the corresponding Wikipedia page." > > Entry is of course free and all are welcome, whether you're a hardcore kernel hacker or you're not even 100% sure what Linux is. After the main meeting we'll adjourn to LEAF just over the road for drinks. > > If you'd like to know any more about the LUG try our website: http://livlug.org.uk > > See you there :) > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From veedub at linuxmail.org Sun Jul 31 21:56:04 2011 From: veedub at linuxmail.org (John) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:56:04 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <429330B6-726E-47D4-AECA-45AEBF2357F1@linuxmail.org> Sorry several hundred miles away...have a good one. John Sent from my iPad On 31 Jul 2011, at 18:56, Les Pritchard wrote: > Is anyone else from Chester planning on going to this meet? > > On 31 July 2011 16:35, Paul Williams wrote: > Thanks. Appreciate it! > > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:32:51 +0100 > > From: dan at danlynch.org > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm > > It is first Wednesday of the month yeah, so it sounds like it might not work out. But who knows. > > Good luck with the job search. I know a lot of people in that boat right now. It's not easy. I'll keep my fingers crossed! > > See ya, > > Dan > > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > If you'd turned up late last week you'd have wondered where we'd all gone. If I was 5 mins later than I had been, I'd have missed everyone as they all relocated due to an overcrowded pub. > > Hopefully we'll see you soon. As for me going to Liverpool in the future... who knows.... Is it always a wednesday? My wife does Rainbows and Guides on a Wednesday so I've got the kids. Plus until I manage to secure a job (no luck in the last 2 years), I doubt I'll get a mortgage for the petrol! lol. > > Paul > > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:16:48 +0100 > > From: dan at danlynch.org > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm > > > Hi Paul, it's a shame you can't make it but hopefully sometime in future. Apologies to everyone at Chester LUG for my lack of attendance lately. Thursday night's are always busy for me but I shall make it back soon. I'm working on it ;) > > If you're only one show behind on Linux Outlaws you're doing well. I have often described us a DOS attack on the ears. Many people are 4 or 5 episodes behind. Phew! > > See ya, > > Dan > > > > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Paul Williams wrote: > Thanks Dan. I can't go (budget reasons, plus wednesday is the wife's night out), but it's a bit of a coincidence you emailing as I'm currenly listening to you and Fab reviewing his new honeycomb tablet (yes I know, I'm one show behind!) > > Keep up the good work! > > Paul > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:24:51 +0100 > From: dan at danlynch.org > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group - Wed Aug 3rd - 7:30pm > > > It's almost the first Wednesday of the month and that can only mean one thing... it's LivLUG time! > > This month we'll meet at the Liverpool Social Centre on Bold St as usual. It's underneath the News From Nowhere book shop. There's a door to the right of the book shop entrance and a buzzer marked Liverpool Social Centre you'll need to press. If you have any problems finding us you can always email me via - dan at danlynch.org > > Sebastian Arcus will be bringing us the eagerly awaited 2nd part of his Asterisk talk/demo. Here's a teaser from the maestro: > > "Due to unpopular demand and after repeated, but unavoidable delays, LivLUG of Liverpool in collaboration with Sebastian presents "Introduction to Asterisk - Part Deux". This time around we will focus on the practicalities of installing and configuring Asterisk. Things to look forward to: > > 1. Configuration of sip clients - both hard and soft phones. > 2. Sip configuration in Asterisk - for clients and for trunks. > 3. Basics of dial plan configuration, routing calls and dial plan functions. > > For an introduction to Asterisk visit www.asterisk.org or the corresponding Wikipedia page." > > Entry is of course free and all are welcome, whether you're a hardcore kernel hacker or you're not even 100% sure what Linux is. 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