From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 21:02:28 2012 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 21:02:28 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?BB_Playbook_=A3170_-_Don=27t_do_it?= Message-ID: Hiya Everyone, You may or may not be aware but the BB playbook is down to £170. I bought one today. It's going back tomorrow. It is small and nice, and relatively inexpensive BUT it doesn't have an email client, it doesn't have a calendar, not even one you can download and install. It has few apps and the much fabled android load doesn't work until version 2.0 (and even then, hit and miss) It also has pretty much NO integration capabilities with any online service. No dropbox, nothing like that. It's a glorified web browser in a pretty box. Just don't :) Stu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan at danlynch.org Mon Jan 2 16:08:58 2012 From: dan at danlynch.org (Dan Lynch) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:08:58 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool LUG Meeting - Wed Jan 4th - 7:30pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello everyone, Welcome to 2012, I hope it's working out well for you so far. We have the first meeting of Liverpool Linux User Group this *Wednesday (January 4th) at 7:30pm* in the Liverpool Social Centre. The LSC is located underneath the News From Nowhere bookshop on Bold St in the heart of the city centre. It's next to Forbidden Planet and you will see a smaller door adjacent to the main shop entrance. Press the buzzer marked for the basement and someone will be along to greet you. If you have any problems finding us or getting into the LSC you can always contact me via my mobile - 07779 165 528 We have no set talk this month but if anyone want's to discuss anything or bring along a project to show off please feel free. Afterwards we'll probably adjourn to Studio 2, Parr St, just around the corner. It's usually nice and quiet, plus it's very comfy. I look forward to seeing many of you there. All are welcome and it's always informal. You don't have to be a Linux expert or kernel hacker to feel at home here. Happy New Year from all at LivLUG :) Dan Lynch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 16:42:06 2012 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 16:42:06 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?BB_Playbook_=A3170_-_Don=27t_do_it?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Stuart, Thanks for the review! I had noticed it in the sale, so thanks for the warning. There are some Android 4 tablets on eBay I'm being tempted by at the moment. They're cheap so I wouldn't expect much, but might be worth a play. Les On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Stuart Burns wrote: > Hiya Everyone, > > You may or may not be aware but the BB playbook is down to £170. I bought one today. It's going back tomorrow. It is small and nice, and relatively inexpensive BUT it doesn't have an email client, it doesn't have a calendar, not even one you can download and install. It has few apps and the much fabled android load doesn't work until version 2.0 (and even then, hit and miss) It also has pretty much NO integration capabilities with any online service. No dropbox, nothing like that. > > It's a glorified web browser in a pretty box. Just don't :) > > Stu > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 20:08:43 2012 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:08:43 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?BB_Playbook_=A3170_-_Don=27t_do_it?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can't get a custom OS on it? On 2 January 2012 16:41, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi Stuart, > > Thanks for the review! I had noticed it in the sale, so thanks for the > warning. There are some Android 4 tablets on eBay I'm being tempted by at > the moment. They're cheap so I wouldn't expect much, but might be worth a > play. > > Les > > > On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Stuart Burns > wrote: > > Hiya Everyone, > > > > You may or may not be aware but the BB playbook is down to £170. I > bought one today. It's going back tomorrow. It is small and nice, and > relatively inexpensive BUT it doesn't have an email client, it doesn't have > a calendar, not even one you can download and install. It has few apps and > the much fabled android load doesn't work until version 2.0 (and even > then, hit and miss) It also has pretty much NO integration capabilities > with any online service. No dropbox, nothing like that. > > > > It's a glorified web browser in a pretty box. Just don't :) > > > > Stu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 20:20:25 2012 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:20:25 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?BB_Playbook_=A3170_-_Don=27t_do_it?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well there is 1 jailbreak for it, if you have right nvram version but like its phone counterpart, it is very secure. Security built in from the core. Also as there are so few out there, people aren't bothering with custom os etc. It's a pity as its a lovely size and feel. On 2 January 2012 20:08, Michael Crilly wrote: > You can't get a custom OS on it? > > On 2 January 2012 16:41, Les Pritchard wrote: > >> Hi Stuart, >> >> Thanks for the review! I had noticed it in the sale, so thanks for the >> warning. There are some Android 4 tablets on eBay I'm being tempted by at >> the moment. They're cheap so I wouldn't expect much, but might be worth a >> play. >> >> Les >> >> >> On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Stuart Burns >> wrote: >> > Hiya Everyone, >> > >> > You may or may not be aware but the BB playbook is down to £170. I >> bought one today. It's going back tomorrow. It is small and nice, and >> relatively inexpensive BUT it doesn't have an email client, it doesn't have >> a calendar, not even one you can download and install. It has few apps and >> the much fabled android load doesn't work until version 2.0 (and even >> then, hit and miss) It also has pretty much NO integration capabilities >> with any online service. No dropbox, nothing like that. >> > >> > It's a glorified web browser in a pretty box. Just don't :) >> > >> > Stu >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 20:33:35 2012 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:33:35 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?BB_Playbook_=A3170_-_Don=27t_do_it?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So do they expect you to have a BES to use email? On Monday, January 2, 2012, Stuart Burns wrote: > Well there is 1 jailbreak for it, if you have right nvram version but like its phone counterpart, it is very secure. > > Security built in from the core. Also as there are so few out there, people aren't bothering with custom os etc. It's a pity as its a lovely size and feel. > > > > On 2 January 2012 20:08, Michael Crilly wrote: >> >> You can't get a custom OS on it? >> >> On 2 January 2012 16:41, Les Pritchard wrote: >>> >>> Hi Stuart, >>> >>> Thanks for the review! I had noticed it in the sale, so thanks for the warning. There are some Android 4 tablets on eBay I'm being tempted by at the moment. They're cheap so I wouldn't expect much, but might be worth a play. >>> >>> Les >>> >>> On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Stuart Burns wrote: >>> > Hiya Everyone, >>> > >>> > You may or may not be aware but the BB playbook is down to £170. I bought one today. It's going back tomorrow. It is small and nice, and relatively inexpensive BUT it doesn't have an email client, it doesn't have a calendar, not even one you can download and install. It has few apps and the much fabled android load doesn't work until version 2.0 (and even then, hit and miss) It also has pretty much NO integration capabilities with any online service. No dropbox, nothing like that. >>> > >>> > It's a glorified web browser in a pretty box. Just don't :) >>> > >>> > Stu >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 20:45:45 2012 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:45:45 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?BB_Playbook_=A3170_-_Don=27t_do_it?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To use the email, as defined in Playbook, you need to have it tethered to your BB. Ok, I have a work one, but this isn't for work. Without a BB phone, its pretty much useless. There are zero calendering and mail options that work locally and sync via wireless. All sync occurs via the phone. I mean how crazy is that ! Even sideloading google applications doesn't work.It throws exceptions and wont let you store data locally. Side loading isn't available until you use the version 2.0 beta version. The new inbuilt PIM tools come with version 2 proper, due out in Feb. I mean its as essential to the tablet as petrol is to a car. To be fair to Dixons, they took it back , no issues (must happen a lot!) On 2 January 2012 20:33, Les Pritchard wrote: > So do they expect you to have a BES to use email? > > > On Monday, January 2, 2012, Stuart Burns > wrote: > > Well there is 1 jailbreak for it, if you have right nvram version but > like its phone counterpart, it is very secure. > > > > Security built in from the core. Also as there are so few out there, > people aren't bothering with custom os etc. It's a pity as its a lovely > size and feel. > > > > > > > > On 2 January 2012 20:08, Michael Crilly wrote: > >> > >> You can't get a custom OS on it? > >> > >> On 2 January 2012 16:41, Les Pritchard wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Stuart, > >>> > >>> Thanks for the review! I had noticed it in the sale, so thanks for the > warning. There are some Android 4 tablets on eBay I'm being tempted by at > the moment. They're cheap so I wouldn't expect much, but might be worth a > play. > >>> > >>> Les > >>> > >>> On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Stuart Burns > wrote: > >>> > Hiya Everyone, > >>> > > >>> > You may or may not be aware but the BB playbook is down to £170. I > bought one today. It's going back tomorrow. It is small and nice, and > relatively inexpensive BUT it doesn't have an email client, it doesn't have > a calendar, not even one you can download and install. It has few apps and > the much fabled android load doesn't work until version 2.0 (and even > then, hit and miss) It also has pretty much NO integration capabilities > with any online service. No dropbox, nothing like that. > >>> > > >>> > It's a glorified web browser in a pretty box. Just don't :) > >>> > > >>> > Stu > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Chester mailing list > >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chester mailing list > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Stuart Burns > > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > > M: [redacted] > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 20:53:28 2012 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 20:53:28 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?BB_Playbook_=A3170_-_Don=27t_do_it?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh and it defaults to Bing for search. Reason enough to say no ;) On 2 January 2012 20:45, Stuart Burns wrote: > To use the email, as defined in Playbook, you need to have it tethered to > your BB. Ok, I have a work one, but this isn't for work. Without a BB > phone, its pretty much useless. There are zero calendering and mail options > that work locally and sync via wireless. All sync occurs via the phone. I > mean how crazy is that ! Even sideloading google applications doesn't > work.It throws exceptions and wont let you store data locally. > > Side loading isn't available until you use the version 2.0 beta version. > The new inbuilt PIM tools come with version 2 proper, due out in Feb. > > I mean its as essential to the tablet as petrol is to a car. > > To be fair to Dixons, they took it back , no issues (must happen a lot!) > > > On 2 January 2012 20:33, Les Pritchard wrote: > >> So do they expect you to have a BES to use email? >> >> >> On Monday, January 2, 2012, Stuart Burns >> wrote: >> > Well there is 1 jailbreak for it, if you have right nvram version but >> like its phone counterpart, it is very secure. >> > >> > Security built in from the core. Also as there are so few out there, >> people aren't bothering with custom os etc. It's a pity as its a lovely >> size and feel. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 2 January 2012 20:08, Michael Crilly wrote: >> >> >> >> You can't get a custom OS on it? >> >> >> >> On 2 January 2012 16:41, Les Pritchard >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi Stuart, >> >>> >> >>> Thanks for the review! I had noticed it in the sale, so thanks for >> the warning. There are some Android 4 tablets on eBay I'm being tempted by >> at the moment. They're cheap so I wouldn't expect much, but might be worth >> a play. >> >>> >> >>> Les >> >>> >> >>> On Sunday, January 1, 2012, Stuart Burns < >> stuart.james.burns at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> > Hiya Everyone, >> >>> > >> >>> > You may or may not be aware but the BB playbook is down to £170. I >> bought one today. It's going back tomorrow. It is small and nice, and >> relatively inexpensive BUT it doesn't have an email client, it doesn't have >> a calendar, not even one you can download and install. It has few apps and >> the much fabled android load doesn't work until version 2.0 (and even >> then, hit and miss) It also has pretty much NO integration capabilities >> with any online service. No dropbox, nothing like that. >> >>> > >> >>> > It's a glorified web browser in a pretty box. Just don't :) >> >>> > >> >>> > Stu >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Chester mailing list >> >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chester mailing list >> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Stuart Burns >> > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> > M: [redacted] >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So if nobody has any major objections, shall we meet > there from about 7? > > See you there > > Les > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Wed Jan 25 07:54:19 2012 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 07:54:19 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I'm going to try and make it. I just need to see if my wife is up to being left for the night. Paul Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:06:32 +0000 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meet Sadly, I am in work doing a night shift :( Enjoy the first meet though guys On 24 January 2012 22:11, Les Pritchard wrote: Hi everyone, I hope everyone had a good Christmas (feels a lot longer than a month ago now!). This Thursday is our first meet of 2012 and it has been suggested that we try the Falcon pub, which is at the top of Lower Bridge Street near the lights. There might be a chance of using a small room there, so it may well be worth investigating. So if nobody has any major objections, shall we meet there from about 7? See you there Les _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 09:55:32 2012 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:55:32 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, do you actually mean you are attending the office. The work bit hmmmm ;) On 25 January 2012 07:54, Paul Williams wrote: > I'm going to try and make it. I just need to see if my wife is up to > being left for the night. > > Paul > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:06:32 +0000 > From: mrcrilly at gmail.com > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meet > > > Sadly, I am in work doing a night shift :( > > Enjoy the first meet though guys > > On 24 January 2012 22:11, Les Pritchard wrote: > > Hi everyone, > I hope everyone had a good Christmas (feels a lot longer than a month ago > now!). This Thursday is our first meet of 2012 and it has been suggested > that we try the Falcon pub, which is at the top of Lower Bridge Street near > the lights. > There might be a chance of using a small room there, so it may well be > worth investigating. So if nobody has any major objections, shall we meet > there from about 7? > See you there > Les > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 18:22:24 2012 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:22:24 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sadly my job does require attendance, yes. We don't all have fancy jobs that permit managing hardware nodes located half-way across the globe from a pub in Chester ;-) On 25 January 2012 09:55, Stuart Burns wrote: > Mike, do you actually mean you are attending the office. The work bit > hmmmm ;) > > > > > On 25 January 2012 07:54, Paul Williams wrote: > >> I'm going to try and make it. I just need to see if my wife is up to >> being left for the night. >> >> Paul >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:06:32 +0000 >> From: mrcrilly at gmail.com >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meet >> >> >> Sadly, I am in work doing a night shift :( >> >> Enjoy the first meet though guys >> >> On 24 January 2012 22:11, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> I hope everyone had a good Christmas (feels a lot longer than a month ago >> now!). This Thursday is our first meet of 2012 and it has been suggested >> that we try the Falcon pub, which is at the top of Lower Bridge Street near >> the lights. >> There might be a chance of using a small room there, so it may well be >> worth investigating. So if nobody has any major objections, shall we meet >> there from about 7? >> See you there >> Les >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Wed Jan 25 18:56:36 2012 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:56:36 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wouldn't say it's fancy. From the video on the website it looks a lot lot posher than where I am ;) And no pool tables etc :) I may or may not be attending depends on if I can get my 3.5 u1 to 3.5 u5 done inside 2 hours ! On 25 January 2012 18:22, Michael Crilly wrote: > Sadly my job does require attendance, yes. We don't all have fancy jobs > that permit managing hardware nodes located half-way across the globe from > a pub in Chester ;-) > > > On 25 January 2012 09:55, Stuart Burns wrote: > >> Mike, do you actually mean you are attending the office. The work bit >> hmmmm ;) >> >> >> >> >> On 25 January 2012 07:54, Paul Williams wrote: >> >>> I'm going to try and make it. I just need to see if my wife is up to >>> being left for the night. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:06:32 +0000 >>> From: mrcrilly at gmail.com >>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meet >>> >>> >>> Sadly, I am in work doing a night shift :( >>> >>> Enjoy the first meet though guys >>> >>> On 24 January 2012 22:11, Les Pritchard wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> I hope everyone had a good Christmas (feels a lot longer than a month >>> ago now!). This Thursday is our first meet of 2012 and it has been >>> suggested that we try the Falcon pub, which is at the top of Lower Bridge >>> Street near the lights. >>> There might be a chance of using a small room there, so it may well be >>> worth investigating. So if nobody has any major objections, shall we meet >>> there from about 7? >>> See you there >>> Les >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Stuart Burns >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> M: [redacted] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 01:31:19 2012 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 01:31:19 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're missing out not working here, Stuart. It's a fantastic place to work :) On 25 January 2012 18:56, Stuart Burns wrote: > I wouldn't say it's fancy. From the video on the website it looks a lot > lot posher than where I am ;) > > And no pool tables etc :) > > I may or may not be attending depends on if I can get my 3.5 u1 to 3.5 u5 > done inside 2 hours ! > > > > On 25 January 2012 18:22, Michael Crilly wrote: > >> Sadly my job does require attendance, yes. We don't all have fancy jobs >> that permit managing hardware nodes located half-way across the globe from >> a pub in Chester ;-) >> >> >> On 25 January 2012 09:55, Stuart Burns wrote: >> >>> Mike, do you actually mean you are attending the office. The work bit >>> hmmmm ;) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 25 January 2012 07:54, Paul Williams wrote: >>> >>>> I'm going to try and make it. I just need to see if my wife is up to >>>> being left for the night. >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:06:32 +0000 >>>> From: mrcrilly at gmail.com >>>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meet >>>> >>>> >>>> Sadly, I am in work doing a night shift :( >>>> >>>> Enjoy the first meet though guys >>>> >>>> On 24 January 2012 22:11, Les Pritchard wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> I hope everyone had a good Christmas (feels a lot longer than a month >>>> ago now!). This Thursday is our first meet of 2012 and it has been >>>> suggested that we try the Falcon pub, which is at the top of Lower Bridge >>>> Street near the lights. >>>> There might be a chance of using a small room there, so it may well be >>>> worth investigating. So if nobody has any major objections, shall we meet >>>> there from about 7? >>>> See you there >>>> Les >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Stuart Burns >>> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >>> M: [redacted] >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Thu Jan 26 11:52:51 2012 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:52:51 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <4F213E8D.3070409@iucr.org> Sorry, can't make it this month, got a really bad sore throat, I'd just end up being very quiet for two hours - no smart alec comments please! Dave. On 25/01/12 07:54, Paul Williams wrote: > I'm going to try and make it. I just need to see if my wife is up to > being left for the night. > > Paul > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:06:32 +0000 > From: mrcrilly at gmail.com > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meet > > Sadly, I am in work doing a night shift :( > > Enjoy the first meet though guys > > On 24 January 2012 22:11, Les Pritchard > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > I hope everyone had a good Christmas (feels a lot longer than a > month ago now!). This Thursday is our first meet of 2012 and it has > been suggested that we try the Falcon pub, which is at the top of > Lower Bridge Street near the lights. > There might be a chance of using a small room there, so it may well > be worth investigating. So if nobody has any major objections, shall > we meet there from about 7? > See you there > Les > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 12:52:38 2012 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:52:38 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. Message-ID: About don't evil and all that jazz. It seems now they are sliding down a steep slope towards ripping up all the good stuff they do with bad privacy moves. You have surely heard about how all this tracking happens, and how they build profiles on you ? No? http://donttrack.us/ and http://dontbubble.us/make a good easy, and insightful read into how it all works. I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a week or so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and asking do I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good privacy, and all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no search term passing etc. www.duckduckgo.com It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html To paraphrase Big McD's - I'm lovin' it. -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Thu Jan 26 13:02:51 2012 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:02:51 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F214EF5.2030408@iucr.org> Thanks useful info. Dave. On 26/01/12 12:52, Stuart Burns wrote: > About don't evil and all that jazz. It seems now they are sliding down a > steep slope towards ripping up all the good stuff they do with bad > privacy moves. > > You have surely heard about how all this tracking happens, and how they > build profiles on you ? No? http://donttrack.us/ and > http://dontbubble.us/ make a good easy, and insightful read into how it > all works. > > I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a week > or so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and > asking do I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good > privacy, and all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure > search, no search term passing etc. > > www.duckduckgo.com > > It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. > > Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html > > To paraphrase Big McD's - I'm lovin' it. > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From veedub at linuxmail.org Thu Jan 26 13:58:52 2012 From: veedub at linuxmail.org (john) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:58:52 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: <4F214EF5.2030408@iucr.org> References: <4F214EF5.2030408@iucr.org> Message-ID: <4F215C11.8050509@linuxmail.org> thanks for that info. John On 26/01/12 13:02, David Holden wrote: > Thanks useful info. > > Dave. > > > On 26/01/12 12:52, Stuart Burns wrote: >> About don't evil and all that jazz. It seems now they are sliding down a >> steep slope towards ripping up all the good stuff they do with bad >> privacy moves. >> >> You have surely heard about how all this tracking happens, and how they >> build profiles on you ? No? http://donttrack.us/ and >> http://dontbubble.us/ make a good easy, and insightful read into how it >> all works. >> >> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a week >> or so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and >> asking do I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good >> privacy, and all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure >> search, no search term passing etc. >> >> www.duckduckgo.com >> >> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >> >> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html >> >> To paraphrase Big McD's - I'm lovin' it. >> >> -- >> Stuart Burns >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> M: [redacted] >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From thomas at thomasprophett.co.uk Thu Jan 26 14:03:32 2012 From: thomas at thomasprophett.co.uk (Thomas Prophett) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:03:32 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet In-Reply-To: <4F213E8D.3070409@iucr.org> References: <4F213E8D.3070409@iucr.org> Message-ID: cannot make it this month. hope every one has a nice time. Thomas. On 26 January 2012 11:52, David Holden wrote: > Sorry, can't make it this month, got a really bad sore throat, I'd just > end up being very quiet for two hours - no smart alec comments please! > > Dave. > > > On 25/01/12 07:54, Paul Williams wrote: > > I'm going to try and make it. I just need to see if my wife is up to > > being left for the night. > > > > Paul > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 02:06:32 +0000 > > From: mrcrilly at gmail.com > > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Meet > > > > Sadly, I am in work doing a night shift :( > > > > Enjoy the first meet though guys > > > > On 24 January 2012 22:11, Les Pritchard > > wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > I hope everyone had a good Christmas (feels a lot longer than a > > month ago now!). This Thursday is our first meet of 2012 and it has > > been suggested that we try the Falcon pub, which is at the top of > > Lower Bridge Street near the lights. > > There might be a chance of using a small room there, so it may well > > be worth investigating. So if nobody has any major objections, shall > > we meet there from about 7? > > See you there > > Les > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BenArnold at fsfe.org Thu Jan 26 14:27:44 2012 From: BenArnold at fsfe.org (Ben Arnold) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:27:44 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search box in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably just Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they package. The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " etc., though "!google " not so much... I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and search with thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I think that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort of like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still confused. Until later, Ben On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns wrote: > I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a week or > so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and asking > do I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good privacy, > and all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no > search term passing etc. > > www.duckduckgo.com > > It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. > > Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html -- *Ben Arnold* *Chester, UK* *Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow* *e: benarnold at fsfe.org | **ben at seawolfsanctuary.com** * *w: seawolfsanctuary.com | chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:00:41 2012 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:00:41 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get on with it. The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google got it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other sites feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! It's really good to have some more competition in this area though and I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure they're watching us :-p Les On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: > Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search box > in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) > > I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably just > Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they package. > The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " etc., > though "!google " not so much... > > > I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and search with > thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I think > that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for > similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort of > like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still confused. > > > Until later, > Ben > > > On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns wrote: >> >> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a week or >> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and asking do >> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good privacy, and >> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no search >> term passing etc. >> >> www.duckduckgo.com >> >> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >> >> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html > > > > -- > Ben Arnold > Chester, UK > > Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow > e: benarnold at fsfe.org  |  ben at seawolfsanctuary.com > w: seawolfsanctuary.com  |  chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:04:51 2012 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:04:51 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: well that was going to be my next question. Finding a gmail alternative. I mean I don't want to start doing my own mailserver etc, and I could cope with the ads, if I trusted that they didn't keep the profiled data (not that I have anything to hide, but it's the principle) i'd happily use it. Thing is, gmail and it's interface and integration are good. The two factor authentication is the icing on the cake. I am thinking about upgrading to the business service IF they don't collect or track. Can't really find a straight answer to that one. On 26 January 2012 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: > Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very > quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get on > with it. > > The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google got > it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other sites > feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! > > It's really good to have some more competition in this area though and > I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly > anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure > they're watching us :-p > > Les > > On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: > > Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search > box > > in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) > > > > I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably > just > > Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they package. > > The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " etc., > > though "!google " not so much... > > > > > > I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and search > with > > thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I think > > that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for > > similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort of > > like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still confused. > > > > > > Until later, > > Ben > > > > > > On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns > wrote: > >> > >> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a week > or > >> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and > asking do > >> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good privacy, > and > >> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no > search > >> term passing etc. > >> > >> www.duckduckgo.com > >> > >> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. > >> > >> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html > > > > > > > > -- > > Ben Arnold > > Chester, UK > > > > Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow > > e: benarnold at fsfe.org | ben at seawolfsanctuary.com > > w: seawolfsanctuary.com | chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Thu Jan 26 15:07:13 2012 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:07:13 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org> The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non existent support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say Amazon, who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle support is amazing. Dave. On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: > Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very > quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get on > with it. > > The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google got > it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other sites > feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! > > It's really good to have some more competition in this area though and > I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly > anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure > they're watching us :-p > > Les > > On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: >> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search box >> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) >> >> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably just >> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they package. >> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " etc., >> though "!google " not so much... >> >> >> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and search with >> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I think >> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for >> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort of >> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still confused. >> >> >> Until later, >> Ben >> >> >> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns wrote: >>> >>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a week or >>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and asking do >>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good privacy, and >>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no search >>> term passing etc. >>> >>> www.duckduckgo.com >>> >>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >>> >>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Arnold >> Chester, UK >> >> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow >> e: benarnold at fsfe.org | ben at seawolfsanctuary.com >> w: seawolfsanctuary.com | chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:20:38 2012 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:20:38 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: True, I've not found any offering that matches it - especially for my non-business email. There are loads of companies out there offering business email services, but then I come back to wondering how safe my data would be with them. Is it better to be a needle in a very large haystack?! I'd be interested to hear if you manage to find out any more about their business services. I'm sure most companies wouldn't be impressed if they knew their users were being tracked. Les On 26 January 2012 15:04, Stuart Burns wrote: > well that was going to be my next question. Finding a gmail alternative. I > mean I don't want to start doing my own mailserver etc, and I could cope > with the ads, if I trusted that they didn't keep the profiled data (not that > I have anything to hide, but it's the principle) i'd happily use it. > > Thing is, gmail and it's interface and integration are good. The two factor > authentication is the icing on the cake. I am thinking about upgrading to > the business service IF they don't collect or track. Can't really find a > straight answer to that one. > > > > On 26 January 2012 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very >> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get on >> with it. >> >> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google got >> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other sites >> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! >> >> It's really good to have some more competition in this area though and >> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly >> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure >> they're watching us :-p >> >> Les >> >> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: >> > Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search >> > box >> > in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) >> > >> > I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably >> > just >> > Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they >> > package. >> > The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " etc., >> > though "!google " not so much... >> > >> > >> > I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and search >> > with >> > thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I think >> > that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for >> > similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort of >> > like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still >> > confused. >> > >> > >> > Until later, >> > Ben >> > >> > >> > On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a week >> >> or >> >> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and >> >> asking do >> >> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good privacy, >> >> and >> >> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no >> >> search >> >> term passing etc. >> >> >> >> www.duckduckgo.com >> >> >> >> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >> >> >> >> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Ben Arnold >> > Chester, UK >> > >> > Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow >> > e: benarnold at fsfe.org  |  ben at seawolfsanctuary.com >> > w: seawolfsanctuary.com  |  chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chester mailing list >> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:22:26 2012 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:22:26 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org> References: <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org> Message-ID: Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch of techies who don't enjoy the support and personal interaction. Normally there's a buffer between them and customers in most companies, but that never happened for Google. On 26 January 2012 15:07, David Holden wrote: > > The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non existent > support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if > something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of > resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say Amazon, > who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle support is > amazing. > > Dave. > > > > > > On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very >> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get on >> with it. >> >> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google got >> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other sites >> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! >> >> It's really good to have some more competition in this area though and >> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly >> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure >> they're watching us :-p >> >> Les >> >> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: >>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search box >>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) >>> >>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably just >>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they package. >>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " etc., >>> though "!google " not so much... >>> >>> >>> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and search with >>> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I think >>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for >>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort of >>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still confused. >>> >>> >>> Until later, >>> Ben >>> >>> >>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns wrote: >>>> >>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a week or >>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and asking do >>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good privacy, and >>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no search >>>> term passing etc. >>>> >>>> www.duckduckgo.com >>>> >>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >>>> >>>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ben Arnold >>> Chester, UK >>> >>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow >>> e: benarnold at fsfe.org  |  ben at seawolfsanctuary.com >>> w: seawolfsanctuary.com  |  chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > -- > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:25:43 2012 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:25:43 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org> Message-ID: I guess for the time being I shall just put up with adverts for Russian brides, Viagra and hitmen for now. (kidding!) On 26 January 2012 15:22, Les Pritchard wrote: > Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch of > techies who don't enjoy the support and personal interaction. Normally > there's a buffer between them and customers in most companies, but > that never happened for Google. > > On 26 January 2012 15:07, David Holden wrote: > > > > The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non existent > > support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if > > something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of > > resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say Amazon, > > who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle support is > > amazing. > > > > Dave. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: > >> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very > >> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get on > >> with it. > >> > >> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google got > >> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other sites > >> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! > >> > >> It's really good to have some more competition in this area though and > >> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly > >> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure > >> they're watching us :-p > >> > >> Les > >> > >> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: > >>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search > box > >>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) > >>> > >>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably > just > >>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they > package. > >>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " etc., > >>> though "!google " not so much... > >>> > >>> > >>> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and > search with > >>> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I > think > >>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for > >>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort > of > >>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still > confused. > >>> > >>> > >>> Until later, > >>> Ben > >>> > >>> > >>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a > week or > >>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and > asking do > >>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good > privacy, and > >>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no > search > >>>> term passing etc. > >>>> > >>>> www.duckduckgo.com > >>>> > >>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. > >>>> > >>>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Ben Arnold > >>> Chester, UK > >>> > >>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow > >>> e: benarnold at fsfe.org | ben at seawolfsanctuary.com > >>> w: seawolfsanctuary.com | chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Chester mailing list > >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chester mailing list > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >> > > > > -- > > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:30:57 2012 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:30:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org> Message-ID: Blimey, their profiling is spot on! On 26 January 2012 15:25, Stuart Burns wrote: > I guess for the time being I shall just put up with adverts for Russian > brides, Viagra and hitmen for now. (kidding!) > > > On 26 January 2012 15:22, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >> Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch of >> techies who don't enjoy the support and personal interaction. Normally >> there's a buffer between them and customers in most companies, but >> that never happened for Google. >> >> On 26 January 2012 15:07, David Holden wrote: >> > >> > The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non existent >> > support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if >> > something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of >> > resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say Amazon, >> > who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle support is >> > amazing. >> > >> > Dave. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very >> >> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get on >> >> with it. >> >> >> >> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google got >> >> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other sites >> >> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! >> >> >> >> It's really good to have some more competition in this area though and >> >> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly >> >> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure >> >> they're watching us :-p >> >> >> >> Les >> >> >> >> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: >> >>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search >> >>> box >> >>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) >> >>> >> >>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably >> >>> just >> >>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they >> >>> package. >> >>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " >> >>> etc., >> >>> though "!google " not so much... >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and search >> >>> with >> >>> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I >> >>> think >> >>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for >> >>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort >> >>> of >> >>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still >> >>> confused. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Until later, >> >>> Ben >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a >> >>>> week or >> >>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and >> >>>> asking do >> >>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good >> >>>> privacy, and >> >>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no >> >>>> search >> >>>> term passing etc. >> >>>> >> >>>> www.duckduckgo.com >> >>>> >> >>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >> >>>> >> >>>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Ben Arnold >> >>> Chester, UK >> >>> >> >>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow >> >>> e: benarnold at fsfe.org  |  ben at seawolfsanctuary.com >> >>> w: seawolfsanctuary.com  |  chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Chester mailing list >> >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chester mailing list >> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Chester mailing list >> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:34:46 2012 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:34:46 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org> Message-ID: In fact, that reminds me. A few years back I met a guy who was in the business of selling Eastern European wifes (although I think he worded it a bit better and legally than that!). He was setting up a website for his company, all I could think of were pages with the Amazon style "Customers who looked at this lady also liked..." at the bottom :-) On 26 January 2012 15:30, Les Pritchard wrote: > Blimey, their profiling is spot on! > > On 26 January 2012 15:25, Stuart Burns wrote: >> I guess for the time being I shall just put up with adverts for Russian >> brides, Viagra and hitmen for now. (kidding!) >> >> >> On 26 January 2012 15:22, Les Pritchard wrote: >>> >>> Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch of >>> techies who don't enjoy the support and personal interaction. Normally >>> there's a buffer between them and customers in most companies, but >>> that never happened for Google. >>> >>> On 26 January 2012 15:07, David Holden wrote: >>> > >>> > The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non existent >>> > support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if >>> > something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of >>> > resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say Amazon, >>> > who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle support is >>> > amazing. >>> > >>> > Dave. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >>> >> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very >>> >> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get on >>> >> with it. >>> >> >>> >> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google got >>> >> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other sites >>> >> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! >>> >> >>> >> It's really good to have some more competition in this area though and >>> >> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly >>> >> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure >>> >> they're watching us :-p >>> >> >>> >> Les >>> >> >>> >> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: >>> >>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search >>> >>> box >>> >>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) >>> >>> >>> >>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably >>> >>> just >>> >>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they >>> >>> package. >>> >>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " >>> >>> etc., >>> >>> though "!google " not so much... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and search >>> >>> with >>> >>> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I >>> >>> think >>> >>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for >>> >>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort >>> >>> of >>> >>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still >>> >>> confused. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Until later, >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a >>> >>>> week or >>> >>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and >>> >>>> asking do >>> >>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good >>> >>>> privacy, and >>> >>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no >>> >>>> search >>> >>>> term passing etc. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> www.duckduckgo.com >>> >>>> >>> >>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Ben Arnold >>> >>> Chester, UK >>> >>> >>> >>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow >>> >>> e: benarnold at fsfe.org  |  ben at seawolfsanctuary.com >>> >>> w: seawolfsanctuary.com  |  chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Chester mailing list >>> >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Chester mailing list >>> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Chester mailing list >>> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Stuart Burns >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> M: [redacted] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> From wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk Thu Jan 26 15:45:21 2012 From: wilp4a at hotmail.co.uk (Paul Williams) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:45:21 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: , , , <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org>, , , , Message-ID: I tried duck duck go as a default for about a month, but it never seemed to return the results I needed. Maybe there's something positive to say about google's profiling there. When I switched to Mint 12, I lost the "right click> search google" option in Firefox. Since I use it all the time to check IP addresses and google throws up "stop forum spam" within 2 results every time, I watched with horror as duck duck go failed to display it for several pages. I have since hacked firefox back to give google as default. I respect what duck duck go stand for, but it's not for me. Paul > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:34:39 +0000 > From: les.pritchard at gmail.com > To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. > > In fact, that reminds me. A few years back I met a guy who was in the > business of selling Eastern European wifes (although I think he worded > it a bit better and legally than that!). He was setting up a website > for his company, all I could think of were pages with the Amazon style > "Customers who looked at this lady also liked..." at the bottom :-) > > On 26 January 2012 15:30, Les Pritchard wrote: > > Blimey, their profiling is spot on! > > > > On 26 January 2012 15:25, Stuart Burns wrote: > >> I guess for the time being I shall just put up with adverts for Russian > >> brides, Viagra and hitmen for now. (kidding!) > >> > >> > >> On 26 January 2012 15:22, Les Pritchard wrote: > >>> > >>> Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch of > >>> techies who don't enjoy the support and personal interaction. Normally > >>> there's a buffer between them and customers in most companies, but > >>> that never happened for Google. > >>> > >>> On 26 January 2012 15:07, David Holden wrote: > >>> > > >>> > The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non existent > >>> > support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if > >>> > something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of > >>> > resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say Amazon, > >>> > who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle support is > >>> > amazing. > >>> > > >>> > Dave. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: > >>> >> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very > >>> >> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get on > >>> >> with it. > >>> >> > >>> >> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google got > >>> >> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other sites > >>> >> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! > >>> >> > >>> >> It's really good to have some more competition in this area though and > >>> >> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly > >>> >> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure > >>> >> they're watching us :-p > >>> >> > >>> >> Les > >>> >> > >>> >> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: > >>> >>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search > >>> >>> box > >>> >>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably > >>> >>> just > >>> >>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they > >>> >>> package. > >>> >>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " > >>> >>> etc., > >>> >>> though "!google " not so much... > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and search > >>> >>> with > >>> >>> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I > >>> >>> think > >>> >>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for > >>> >>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort > >>> >>> of > >>> >>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still > >>> >>> confused. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Until later, > >>> >>> Ben > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns > >>> >>> wrote: > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a > >>> >>>> week or > >>> >>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and > >>> >>>> asking do > >>> >>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good > >>> >>>> privacy, and > >>> >>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no > >>> >>>> search > >>> >>>> term passing etc. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> www.duckduckgo.com > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> -- > >>> >>> Ben Arnold > >>> >>> Chester, UK > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow > >>> >>> e: benarnold at fsfe.org | ben at seawolfsanctuary.com > >>> >>> w: seawolfsanctuary.com | chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> >>> Chester mailing list > >>> >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>> >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> Chester mailing list > >>> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > -- > >>> > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Chester mailing list > >>> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Chester mailing list > >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Stuart Burns > >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > >> M: [redacted] > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chester mailing list > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Thu Jan 26 15:48:25 2012 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:48:25 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org> Message-ID: <4F2175C3.70907@iucr.org> >"Customers who looked at this lady also liked..." Inflatable dolls? Dave. On 26/01/12 15:34, Les Pritchard wrote: > In fact, that reminds me. A few years back I met a guy who was in the > business of selling Eastern European wifes (although I think he worded > it a bit better and legally than that!). He was setting up a website > for his company, all I could think of were pages with the Amazon style > "Customers who looked at this lady also liked..." at the bottom :-) > > On 26 January 2012 15:30, Les Pritchard wrote: >> Blimey, their profiling is spot on! >> >> On 26 January 2012 15:25, Stuart Burns wrote: >>> I guess for the time being I shall just put up with adverts for Russian >>> brides, Viagra and hitmen for now. (kidding!) >>> >>> >>> On 26 January 2012 15:22, Les Pritchard wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch of >>>> techies who don't enjoy the support and personal interaction. Normally >>>> there's a buffer between them and customers in most companies, but >>>> that never happened for Google. >>>> >>>> On 26 January 2012 15:07, David Holden wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non existent >>>>> support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if >>>>> something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of >>>>> resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say Amazon, >>>>> who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle support is >>>>> amazing. >>>>> >>>>> Dave. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >>>>>> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very >>>>>> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get on >>>>>> with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google got >>>>>> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other sites >>>>>> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! >>>>>> >>>>>> It's really good to have some more competition in this area though and >>>>>> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly >>>>>> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure >>>>>> they're watching us :-p >>>>>> >>>>>> Les >>>>>> >>>>>> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: >>>>>>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search >>>>>>> box >>>>>>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they >>>>>>> package. >>>>>>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " >>>>>>> etc., >>>>>>> though "!google " not so much... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and search >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I >>>>>>> think >>>>>>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for >>>>>>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still >>>>>>> confused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Until later, >>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a >>>>>>>> week or >>>>>>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and >>>>>>>> asking do >>>>>>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good >>>>>>>> privacy, and >>>>>>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no >>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>> term passing etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> www.duckduckgo.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ben Arnold >>>>>>> Chester, UK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow >>>>>>> e: benarnold at fsfe.org | ben at seawolfsanctuary.com >>>>>>> w: seawolfsanctuary.com | chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Stuart Burns >>> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >>> M: [redacted] >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From dh at iucr.org Thu Jan 26 15:49:52 2012 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:49:52 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: , , , <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org>, , , , Message-ID: <4F21761A.7050405@iucr.org> On 26/01/12 15:45, Paul Williams wrote: > I tried duck duck go as a default for about a month, but it never seemed > to return the results I needed. Maybe there's something positive to say > about google's profiling there. > > When I switched to Mint 12, I lost the "right click> search google" > option in Firefox. The "Context Search" extension is good for this. Dave. Since I use it all the time to check IP addresses > and google throws up "stop forum spam" within 2 results every time, I > watched with horror as duck duck go failed to display it for several > pages. I have since hacked firefox back to give google as default. > > I respect what duck duck go stand for, but it's not for me. > > Paul > >> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:34:39 +0000 >> From: les.pritchard at gmail.com >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. >> >> In fact, that reminds me. A few years back I met a guy who was in the >> business of selling Eastern European wifes (although I think he worded >> it a bit better and legally than that!). He was setting up a website >> for his company, all I could think of were pages with the Amazon style >> "Customers who looked at this lady also liked..." at the bottom :-) >> >> On 26 January 2012 15:30, Les Pritchard wrote: >> > Blimey, their profiling is spot on! >> > >> > On 26 January 2012 15:25, Stuart Burns > wrote: >> >> I guess for the time being I shall just put up with adverts for Russian >> >> brides, Viagra and hitmen for now. (kidding!) >> >> >> >> >> >> On 26 January 2012 15:22, Les Pritchard > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch of >> >>> techies who don't enjoy the support and personal interaction. Normally >> >>> there's a buffer between them and customers in most companies, but >> >>> that never happened for Google. >> >>> >> >>> On 26 January 2012 15:07, David Holden wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non > existent >> >>> > support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if >> >>> > something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of >> >>> > resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say > Amazon, >> >>> > who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle > support is >> >>> > amazing. >> >>> > >> >>> > Dave. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >>> >> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very >> >>> >> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google > get on >> >>> >> with it. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where > Google got >> >>> >> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other > sites >> >>> >> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! >> >>> >> >> >>> >> It's really good to have some more competition in this area > though and >> >>> >> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly >> >>> >> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure >> >>> >> they're watching us :-p >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Les >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: >> >>> >>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as > the search >> >>> >>> box >> >>> >>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, > probably >> >>> >>> just >> >>> >>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they >> >>> >>> package. >> >>> >>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " >> >>> >>> etc., >> >>> >>> though "!google " not so much... >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ > and search >> >>> >>> with >> >>> >>> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I >> >>> >>> think >> >>> >>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that > search for >> >>> >>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that > group. Sort >> >>> >>> of >> >>> >>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still >> >>> >>> confused. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Until later, >> >>> >>> Ben >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns > >> >>> >>> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it > for a >> >>> >>>> week or >> >>> >>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, > tracking, and >> >>> >>>> asking do >> >>> >>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good >> >>> >>>> privacy, and >> >>> >>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure > search, no >> >>> >>>> search >> >>> >>>> term passing etc. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> www.duckduckgo.com >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> -- >> >>> >>> Ben Arnold >> >>> >>> Chester, UK >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow >> >>> >>> e: benarnold at fsfe.org | ben at seawolfsanctuary.com >> >>> >>> w: seawolfsanctuary.com | chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >>> Chester mailing list >> >>> >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> Chester mailing list >> >>> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >>> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > Chester mailing list >> >>> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >>> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Chester mailing list >> >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Stuart Burns >> >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> >> M: [redacted] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chester mailing list >> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:54:46 2012 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:54:46 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Are you using the Gnome version of Mint? If so, how have you been finding it? Les On 26 January 2012 15:45, Paul Williams wrote: > I tried duck duck go as a default for about a month, but it never seemed to > return the results I needed.  Maybe there's something positive to say about > google's profiling there. > > When I switched to Mint 12, I lost the "right click> search google" option > in Firefox.  Since I use it all the time to check IP addresses and google > throws up "stop forum spam" within 2 results every time, I watched with > horror as duck duck go failed to display it for several pages.  I have since > hacked firefox back to give google as default. > > I respect what duck duck go stand for, but it's not for me. > > Paul > >> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:34:39 +0000 >> From: les.pritchard at gmail.com >> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. > >> >> In fact, that reminds me. A few years back I met a guy who was in the >> business of selling Eastern European wifes (although I think he worded >> it a bit better and legally than that!). He was setting up a website >> for his company, all I could think of were pages with the Amazon style >> "Customers who looked at this lady also liked..." at the bottom :-) >> >> On 26 January 2012 15:30, Les Pritchard wrote: >> > Blimey, their profiling is spot on! >> > >> > On 26 January 2012 15:25, Stuart Burns >> > wrote: >> >> I guess for the time being I shall just put up with adverts for Russian >> >> brides, Viagra and hitmen for now. (kidding!) >> >> >> >> >> >> On 26 January 2012 15:22, Les Pritchard >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch of >> >>> techies who don't enjoy the support and personal interaction. Normally >> >>> there's a buffer between them and customers in most companies, but >> >>> that never happened for Google. >> >>> >> >>> On 26 January 2012 15:07, David Holden wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non >> >>> > existent >> >>> > support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if >> >>> > something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of >> >>> > resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say >> >>> > Amazon, >> >>> > who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle support >> >>> > is >> >>> > amazing. >> >>> > >> >>> > Dave. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >>> >> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very >> >>> >> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get >> >>> >> on >> >>> >> with it. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google >> >>> >> got >> >>> >> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other >> >>> >> sites >> >>> >> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! >> >>> >> >> >>> >> It's really good to have some more competition in this area though >> >>> >> and >> >>> >> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly >> >>> >> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure >> >>> >> they're watching us :-p >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Les >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: >> >>> >>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the >> >>> >>> search >> >>> >>> box >> >>> >>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, >> >>> >>> probably >> >>> >>> just >> >>> >>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they >> >>> >>> package. >> >>> >>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " >> >>> >>> etc., >> >>> >>> though "!google " not so much... >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and >> >>> >>> search >> >>> >>> with >> >>> >>> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I >> >>> >>> think >> >>> >>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search >> >>> >>> for >> >>> >>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. >> >>> >>> Sort >> >>> >>> of >> >>> >>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still >> >>> >>> confused. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Until later, >> >>> >>> Ben >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for >> >>> >>>> a >> >>> >>>> week or >> >>> >>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, >> >>> >>>> and >> >>> >>>> asking do >> >>> >>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good >> >>> >>>> privacy, and >> >>> >>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure >> >>> >>>> search, no >> >>> >>>> search >> >>> >>>> term passing etc. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> www.duckduckgo.com >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> -- >> >>> >>> Ben Arnold >> >>> >>> Chester, UK >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow >> >>> >>> e: benarnold at fsfe.org  |  ben at seawolfsanctuary.com >> >>> >>> w: seawolfsanctuary.com  |  chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >>> Chester mailing list >> >>> >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>> >> Chester mailing list >> >>> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >>> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > Chester mailing list >> >>> > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >>> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Chester mailing list >> >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Stuart Burns >> >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> >> M: [redacted] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Chester mailing list >> >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > From dh at iucr.org Thu Jan 26 15:57:23 2012 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:57:23 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org> Message-ID: <4F2177DC.6020701@iucr.org> I used the gnome version of mint 12 for a while, it was OK but a bit clunky. I eventually went for SUSE 12.1 which is pretty vanilla gnome but did some tweeks, like allowing maximise/minimise windows, plus some tweaks from here https://extensions.gnome.org/ Dave. On 26/01/12 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Are you using the Gnome version of Mint? If so, how have you been finding it? > > Les > > On 26 January 2012 15:45, Paul Williams wrote: >> I tried duck duck go as a default for about a month, but it never seemed to >> return the results I needed. Maybe there's something positive to say about >> google's profiling there. >> >> When I switched to Mint 12, I lost the "right click> search google" option >> in Firefox. Since I use it all the time to check IP addresses and google >> throws up "stop forum spam" within 2 results every time, I watched with >> horror as duck duck go failed to display it for several pages. I have since >> hacked firefox back to give google as default. >> >> I respect what duck duck go stand for, but it's not for me. >> >> Paul >> >>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:34:39 +0000 >>> From: les.pritchard at gmail.com >>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. >> >>> >>> In fact, that reminds me. A few years back I met a guy who was in the >>> business of selling Eastern European wifes (although I think he worded >>> it a bit better and legally than that!). He was setting up a website >>> for his company, all I could think of were pages with the Amazon style >>> "Customers who looked at this lady also liked..." at the bottom :-) >>> >>> On 26 January 2012 15:30, Les Pritchard wrote: >>>> Blimey, their profiling is spot on! >>>> >>>> On 26 January 2012 15:25, Stuart Burns >>>> wrote: >>>>> I guess for the time being I shall just put up with adverts for Russian >>>>> brides, Viagra and hitmen for now. (kidding!) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:22, Les Pritchard >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch of >>>>>> techies who don't enjoy the support and personal interaction. Normally >>>>>> there's a buffer between them and customers in most companies, but >>>>>> that never happened for Google. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:07, David Holden wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non >>>>>>> existent >>>>>>> support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if >>>>>>> something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of >>>>>>> resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say >>>>>>> Amazon, >>>>>>> who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle support >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> amazing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dave. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >>>>>>>> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very >>>>>>>> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> with it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google >>>>>>>> got >>>>>>>> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other >>>>>>>> sites >>>>>>>> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's really good to have some more competition in this area though >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly >>>>>>>> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure >>>>>>>> they're watching us :-p >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Les >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: >>>>>>>>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the >>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>> box >>>>>>>>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, >>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they >>>>>>>>> package. >>>>>>>>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " >>>>>>>>> etc., >>>>>>>>> though "!google " not so much... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and >>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I >>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. >>>>>>>>> Sort >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still >>>>>>>>> confused. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Until later, >>>>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> week or >>>>>>>>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> asking do >>>>>>>>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good >>>>>>>>>> privacy, and >>>>>>>>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure >>>>>>>>>> search, no >>>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>>> term passing etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> www.duckduckgo.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Ben Arnold >>>>>>>>> Chester, UK >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow >>>>>>>>> e: benarnold at fsfe.org | ben at seawolfsanctuary.com >>>>>>>>> w: seawolfsanctuary.com | chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Stuart Burns >>>>> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >>>>> M: [redacted] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 17:15:41 2012 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:15:41 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: <4F2177DC.6020701@iucr.org> References: <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org> <4F2177DC.6020701@iucr.org> Message-ID: That's interesting. I've been trying a few distros out recently after Ubuntu went to Gnome 3. When Mint went to Gnome 3 I gave it a quick go but wasn't impressed. At the moment I've ended up using XFCE on a few different distros and am really liking it again. Nice and simple, plus you can use compiz if you want. I've also started testing PC-BSD again, I know it's not appropriate for this list :-) but so far I'm quite impressed. I really like the idea of all applications being completely independent of each other. Could reduce the stress caused when you upgrade one package and it breaks others. Les On 26 January 2012 15:57, David Holden wrote: > I used the gnome version of mint 12 for a while, it was OK but a bit > clunky. I eventually went for SUSE 12.1 which is pretty vanilla gnome > but did some tweeks, like allowing maximise/minimise windows, plus some > tweaks from here https://extensions.gnome.org/ > > Dave. > > > On 26/01/12 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: >> Hi Paul, >> >> Are you using the Gnome version of Mint? If so, how have you been finding it? >> >> Les >> >> On 26 January 2012 15:45, Paul Williams wrote: >>> I tried duck duck go as a default for about a month, but it never seemed to >>> return the results I needed.  Maybe there's something positive to say about >>> google's profiling there. >>> >>> When I switched to Mint 12, I lost the "right click> search google" option >>> in Firefox.  Since I use it all the time to check IP addresses and google >>> throws up "stop forum spam" within 2 results every time, I watched with >>> horror as duck duck go failed to display it for several pages.  I have since >>> hacked firefox back to give google as default. >>> >>> I respect what duck duck go stand for, but it's not for me. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:34:39 +0000 >>>> From: les.pritchard at gmail.com >>>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. >>> >>>> >>>> In fact, that reminds me. A few years back I met a guy who was in the >>>> business of selling Eastern European wifes (although I think he worded >>>> it a bit better and legally than that!). He was setting up a website >>>> for his company, all I could think of were pages with the Amazon style >>>> "Customers who looked at this lady also liked..." at the bottom :-) >>>> >>>> On 26 January 2012 15:30, Les Pritchard wrote: >>>>> Blimey, their profiling is spot on! >>>>> >>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:25, Stuart Burns >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I guess for the time being I shall just put up with adverts for Russian >>>>>> brides, Viagra and hitmen for now. (kidding!) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:22, Les Pritchard >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch of >>>>>>> techies who don't enjoy the support and personal interaction. Normally >>>>>>> there's a buffer between them and customers in most companies, but >>>>>>> that never happened for Google. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:07, David Holden wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non >>>>>>>> existent >>>>>>>> support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if >>>>>>>> something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of >>>>>>>> resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say >>>>>>>> Amazon, >>>>>>>> who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle support >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> amazing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dave. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: >>>>>>>>> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very >>>>>>>>> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> with it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google >>>>>>>>> got >>>>>>>>> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other >>>>>>>>> sites >>>>>>>>> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's really good to have some more competition in this area though >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly >>>>>>>>> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure >>>>>>>>> they're watching us :-p >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Les >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the >>>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>>> box >>>>>>>>>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, >>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they >>>>>>>>>> package. >>>>>>>>>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github " >>>>>>>>>> etc., >>>>>>>>>> though "!google " not so much... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and >>>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I >>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. >>>>>>>>>> Sort >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still >>>>>>>>>> confused. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Until later, >>>>>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> week or >>>>>>>>>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> asking do >>>>>>>>>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good >>>>>>>>>>> privacy, and >>>>>>>>>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure >>>>>>>>>>> search, no >>>>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>>>> term passing etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> www.duckduckgo.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Ben Arnold >>>>>>>>>> Chester, UK >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow >>>>>>>>>> e: benarnold at fsfe.org  |  ben at seawolfsanctuary.com >>>>>>>>>> w: seawolfsanctuary.com  |  chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>>>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Stuart Burns >>>>>> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >>>>>> M: [redacted] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Chester mailing list >>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > -- > Dr David Holden. 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In-Reply-To: References: <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org> <4F2177DC.6020701@iucr.org> Message-ID: How is the other pc-bsd user doing. The two of you against the world ;) On 26 January 2012 17:15, Les Pritchard wrote: > That's interesting. I've been trying a few distros out recently after > Ubuntu went to Gnome 3. When Mint went to Gnome 3 I gave it a quick go > but wasn't impressed. > > At the moment I've ended up using XFCE on a few different distros and > am really liking it again. Nice and simple, plus you can use compiz if > you want. > > I've also started testing PC-BSD again, I know it's not appropriate > for this list :-) but so far I'm quite impressed. I really like the > idea of all applications being completely independent of each other. > Could reduce the stress caused when you upgrade one package and it > breaks others. > > Les > > On 26 January 2012 15:57, David Holden wrote: > > I used the gnome version of mint 12 for a while, it was OK but a bit > > clunky. I eventually went for SUSE 12.1 which is pretty vanilla gnome > > but did some tweeks, like allowing maximise/minimise windows, plus some > > tweaks from here https://extensions.gnome.org/ > > > > Dave. > > > > > > On 26/01/12 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: > >> Hi Paul, > >> > >> Are you using the Gnome version of Mint? If so, how have you been > finding it? > >> > >> Les > >> > >> On 26 January 2012 15:45, Paul Williams wrote: > >>> I tried duck duck go as a default for about a month, but it never > seemed to > >>> return the results I needed. Maybe there's something positive to say > about > >>> google's profiling there. > >>> > >>> When I switched to Mint 12, I lost the "right click> search google" > option > >>> in Firefox. Since I use it all the time to check IP addresses and > google > >>> throws up "stop forum spam" within 2 results every time, I watched with > >>> horror as duck duck go failed to display it for several pages. I have > since > >>> hacked firefox back to give google as default. > >>> > >>> I respect what duck duck go stand for, but it's not for me. > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> > >>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:34:39 +0000 > >>>> From: les.pritchard at gmail.com > >>>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>>> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> In fact, that reminds me. A few years back I met a guy who was in the > >>>> business of selling Eastern European wifes (although I think he worded > >>>> it a bit better and legally than that!). He was setting up a website > >>>> for his company, all I could think of were pages with the Amazon style > >>>> "Customers who looked at this lady also liked..." at the bottom :-) > >>>> > >>>> On 26 January 2012 15:30, Les Pritchard > wrote: > >>>>> Blimey, their profiling is spot on! > >>>>> > >>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:25, Stuart Burns > > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> I guess for the time being I shall just put up with adverts for > Russian > >>>>>> brides, Viagra and hitmen for now. (kidding!) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:22, Les Pritchard > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch > of > >>>>>>> techies who don't enjoy the support and personal interaction. > Normally > >>>>>>> there's a buffer between them and customers in most companies, but > >>>>>>> that never happened for Google. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:07, David Holden wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non > >>>>>>>> existent > >>>>>>>> support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if > >>>>>>>> something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of > >>>>>>>> resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say > >>>>>>>> Amazon, > >>>>>>>> who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle > support > >>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>> amazing. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dave. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go > very > >>>>>>>>> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get > >>>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>> with it. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google > >>>>>>>>> got > >>>>>>>>> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other > >>>>>>>>> sites > >>>>>>>>> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> It's really good to have some more competition in this area > though > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly > >>>>>>>>> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure > >>>>>>>>> they're watching us :-p > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Les > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the > >>>>>>>>>> search > >>>>>>>>>> box > >>>>>>>>>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, > >>>>>>>>>> probably > >>>>>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they > >>>>>>>>>> package. > >>>>>>>>>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github > " > >>>>>>>>>> etc., > >>>>>>>>>> though "!google " not so much... > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and > >>>>>>>>>> search > >>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, > which I > >>>>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>>>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that > search > >>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. > >>>>>>>>>> Sort > >>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still > >>>>>>>>>> confused. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Until later, > >>>>>>>>>> Ben > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it > for > >>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>> week or > >>>>>>>>>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, > >>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>> asking do > >>>>>>>>>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good > >>>>>>>>>>> privacy, and > >>>>>>>>>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure > >>>>>>>>>>> search, no > >>>>>>>>>>> search > >>>>>>>>>>> term passing etc. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> www.duckduckgo.com > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> Ben Arnold > >>>>>>>>>> Chester, UK > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow > >>>>>>>>>> e: benarnold at fsfe.org | ben at seawolfsanctuary.com > >>>>>>>>>> w: seawolfsanctuary.com | chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> Chester mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>>>>>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> Chester mailing list > >>>>>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>>>>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> Chester mailing list > >>>>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>>>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Chester mailing list > >>>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Stuart Burns > >>>>>> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > >>>>>> M: [redacted] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Chester mailing list > >>>>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>>>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Chester mailing list > >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Chester mailing list > >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Chester mailing list > >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > >> > > > > -- > > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 19:25:46 2012 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:25:46 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Meet location Message-ID: Hi all, We're upstairs in the falcon in case anyone is looking for us! Les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 19:34:23 2012 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:34:23 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: <4F216C1A.5080102@iucr.org> <4F2177DC.6020701@iucr.org> Message-ID: Lol, well if there aren't many people using it that must make it cool in computing terms :-) On Thursday, January 26, 2012, Stuart Burns wrote: > How is the other pc-bsd user doing. The two of you against the world ;) > > On 26 January 2012 17:15, Les Pritchard wrote: > > That's interesting. I've been trying a few distros out recently after > Ubuntu went to Gnome 3. When Mint went to Gnome 3 I gave it a quick go > but wasn't impressed. > > At the moment I've ended up using XFCE on a few different distros and > am really liking it again. Nice and simple, plus you can use compiz if > you want. > > I've also started testing PC-BSD again, I know it's not appropriate > for this list :-) but so far I'm quite impressed. I really like the > idea of all applications being completely independent of each other. > Could reduce the stress caused when you upgrade one package and it > breaks others. > > Les > > On 26 January 2012 15:57, David Holden wrote: >> I used the gnome version of mint 12 for a while, it was OK but a bit >> clunky. I eventually went for SUSE 12.1 which is pretty vanilla gnome >> but did some tweeks, like allowing maximise/minimise windows, plus some >> tweaks from here https://extensions.gnome.org/ >> >> Dave. >> >> >> On 26/01/12 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> Are you using the Gnome version of Mint? If so, how have you been finding it? >>> >>> Les >>> >>> On 26 January 2012 15:45, Paul Williams wrote: >>>> I tried duck duck go as a default for about a month, but it never seemed to >>>> return the results I needed. Maybe there's something positive to say about >>>> google's profiling there. >>>> >>>> When I switched to Mint 12, I lost the "right click> search google" option >>>> in Firefox. Since I use it all the time to check IP addresses and google >>>> throws up "stop forum spam" within 2 results every time, I watched with >>>> horror as duck duck go failed to display it for several pages. I have since >>>> hacked firefox back to give google as default. >>>> >>>> I respect what duck duck go stand for, but it's not for me. >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:34:39 +0000 >>>>> From: les.pritchard at gmail.com >>>>> To: chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>>> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> In fact, that reminds me. A few years back I met a guy who was in the >>>>> business of selling Eastern European wifes (although I think he worded >>>>> it a bit better and legally than that!). He was setting up a website >>>>> for his company, all I could think of were pages with the Amazon style >>>>> "Customers who looked at this lady also liked..." at the bottom :-) >>>>> >>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:30, Les Pritchard wrote: >>>>>> Blimey, their profiling is spot on! >>>>>> >>>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:25, Stuart Burns >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I guess for the time being I shall just put up with adverts for Russian >>>>>>> brides, Viagra and hitmen for now. (kidding!) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:22, Les Pritchard >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch of >>>>>>>> techies who don't enjoy the support and per -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From veedub at linuxmail.org Thu Jan 26 21:49:19 2012 From: veedub at linuxmail.org (John) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:49:19 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F21CA55.7050005@linuxmail.org> Soory could not get there..working on a computer..what a surprise. Dual booting linux! john On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: > Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very > quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get on > with it. > > The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google got > it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other sites > feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! > > It's really good to have some more competition in this area though and > I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly > anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure > they're watching us :-p > > Les > > On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: >> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search box >> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) >> >> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably just >> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they package. >> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github" etc., >> though "!google" not so much... >> >> >> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and search with >> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php, which I think >> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for >> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort of >> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still confused. >> >> >> Until later, >> Ben >> >> >> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns wrote: >>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a week or >>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and asking do >>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good privacy, and >>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no search >>> term passing etc. >>> >>> www.duckduckgo.com >>> >>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >>> >>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html >> >> >> -- >> Ben Arnold >> Chester, UK >> >> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow >> e: benarnold at fsfe.org | ben at seawolfsanctuary.com >> w: seawolfsanctuary.com | chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From mrcrilly at gmail.com Fri Jan 27 04:21:43 2012 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 04:21:43 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: <4F21CA55.7050005@linuxmail.org> References: <4F21CA55.7050005@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: A while back, when I still had a profile, Facebook changed the look and feel of their UI. Everyone (on my friends list) went mental and kept complaining about it until someone posted a picture basically saying, "I am outraged and annoyed that a free service I am in no way obligated to use has changed the way it operates in a manner that doesn't inconvenience me in the slightest" (or something to that effect). Good point. This is the price of a "free" service - things happen their way - and, ultimately, these people start looking at how they can make money from what they have: your data. Google's infrastructure must be insane. They have to cover those costs somehow, right? Anyway... Stuart, I setup a Postfix/Dovecot server the other week. It was pretty painless to be honest, but the issue comes from battling anti-spam (which I have yet to implement). It's also not using virtual domains or users because I hate the thought of running a relational database just for that (what a waste of resources). I'm going to rip it down soon unless you think it's worth keeping and building up? I'm happy to share access. I was also thinking of pulling down the SMTP side of it and using something else like MX Logic to outsource the relaying aspect. For $2/month per mailbox you get triple virus scans and mental anti-spam filtering. Also: "Thing is, gmail and it's interface and integration are good. The two factor authentication is the icing on the cake." I have my own form of two-factor authentication: a password I type, and the 38 characters my YubiKey types. Pushing 50+ char passwords puts my Haystack calculations into the trillions of centuries :P I really like Google and their services. Sure they've been in the news a few times for some pretty dodgy stuff, but I think that boils down to the human element: people are stupid and do silly things from time to time. On 26 January 2012 21:49, John wrote: > Soory could not get there..working on a computer..what a surprise. > Dual booting linux! > john > > > On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote: > >> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very >> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get on >> with it. >> >> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google got >> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other sites >> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds! >> >> It's really good to have some more competition in this area though and >> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly >> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure >> they're watching us :-p >> >> Les >> >> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold wrote: >> >>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the search >>> box >>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :) >>> >>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1, probably >>> just >>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they package. >>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github" etc., >>> though "!google" not so much... >>> >>> >>> I've also come across Seeks, http://www.seeks-project.info/ and search >>> with >>> thier instance https://www.seeks-project.**info/search.php, >>> which I think >>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search for >>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group. Sort of >>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still confused. >>> >>> >>> Until later, >>> Ben >>> >>> >>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for a week >>>> or >>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking, and >>>> asking do >>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good privacy, >>>> and >>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure search, no >>>> search >>>> term passing etc. >>>> >>>> www.duckduckgo.com >>>> >>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick. >>>> >>>> Also it has some geeky toys http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.**html >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ben Arnold >>> Chester, UK >>> >>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow >>> e: benarnold at fsfe.org | ben at seawolfsanctuary.com >>> w: seawolfsanctuary.com | chat: benarnold at jabber.fsfe.org >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shop at open-t.co.uk Fri Jan 27 09:39:16 2012 From: shop at open-t.co.uk (Sebastian Arcus) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:39:16 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing.. In-Reply-To: References: <4F21CA55.7050005@linuxmail.org> Message-ID: <4F2270BC.2020601@open-t.co.uk> On 27/01/12 04:21, Michael Crilly wrote: > > > Stuart, I setup a Postfix/Dovecot server the other week. It was pretty > painless to be honest, but the issue comes from battling anti-spam > (which I have yet to implement). Not sure what your setup is - but I use Exim and Dovecot - and leave the antispamming business to the desktop end - in Thunderbird (which I think has SpamPal or SpanAssassin as options). Of course, that only works if you use desktop clients. > It's also not using virtual domains or users because I hate the > thought of running a relational database just for that (what a waste > of resources). I use only virtual users - and both Exim and Dovecot can use simple text files for that. Seems painless enough. I think the same can be done for virtual domains, with a bit of configuration trickery in both Dovecot and Exim. I only assume Postfix can do the same. Then again, if the setup grows significantly - a relational database is fully justified methinks. > I'm going to rip it down soon unless you think it's worth keeping and > building up? I'm happy to share access. I was also thinking of pulling > down the SMTP side of it and using something else like MX Logic to > outsource the relaying aspect. For $2/month per mailbox you get triple > virus scans and mental anti-spam filtering. Again - not sure if it suits the way things run at your end - but I use 1and1 as regular provider (any other hosting provider would do). I pull email from 1and1 pop3 boxes using Getmail into Dovecot - and email goes out through Exim in smart relay mode, then through 1and1's SMTP server. This way I don't have to keep SMTP ports open to the Internet and worry about associated security implications. The main advantages of this setup is that the email storage is on the local IMAP server so: 1. I can back things up locally. 2. I have as much storage space as I want/can provide 3. At clients where the broadband line is slow and large email attachments are involved, I can do traffic shaping on the SMTP port so that it doesn't choke the uplink for an hour at a time when a large attachment is outbound. In all fairness - the history just revolves into one big circle - as the above just emulates some of the advantages of running your own Exchange server - but with open source software. If I remember correctly, 1and1, 123-Reg and others offer packages with up to 1000 emails for £2-£3/month all in. However, if you just want pop3 or imap access without the extra hassle - why not just connect straight to their servers, without the trouble of running your own imap/smtp server? Sebastian From rah at bash.sh Fri Jan 27 17:07:44 2012 From: rah at bash.sh (Bob Ham) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:07:44 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool LUG meeting with Tony Burrows on Java 3D - Wednesday 1st February 2011 Message-ID: On Wednesday, 1st February 2012, the Liverpool Linux User Group will be meeting. Tony Burrows will be talking about Java 3D¹, the free-software scene-graph 3D API. He will discuss virtual reality and Java 3D, Java 3D application structure and some of the possibilities of Java 3D, including demonstration programs. We will meet at the Liverpool Social Centre² at 7.00pm for a 7.30pm start. After the talk, we will venture to Studio 2³ for beverages and further discussion. Liverpool Social Centre is next door to the News from Nowhere bookshop on Bold Street⁴. To access the centre, press the bell for the basement on the left of the door and someone will come up and let you in. Should be a fascinating talk :-) ¹ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_3D ² http://www.liverpoolsocialcentre.org/ ³ http://www.parrstreet.co.uk/STUDIO2/Home.htm ⁴ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.402426&lon=-2.976481&zoom=18 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Sun Jan 29 01:20:18 2012 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 01:20:18 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] E-mail PGP Signing/Encrypting Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone here bother with PGP for signing and or encrypting their e-mail? It doesn't seem to widely adopter at the moment, but it's something I am interested in. Does anyone on the mailing list perhaps use it? I would be interested in testing my implementation. - Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, regarding virtual users for an imap/smtp server, I always liked the idea of having them. I suppose it provides an extra layer of separation between the OS and the mail server - in case any of the mail accounts get compromised. But maybe I'm overestimating the security benefits Google luck with the setup. Sebastian From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Sun Jan 29 21:08:39 2012 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:08:39 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Calling all you geeks, lets make our voices heard! Message-ID: Hi Everyone, We all know ACTA is a fundamentally flawed piece of legislature that is basically US IP laws by proxy. It criminalises civil offences, and removes some of your rights to due process under the law. It prevents third world countries from copying drugs that save lives, for people who couldn't afford them any other way! This and all manner of other nasties. It's not quite too late. We can riot on the streets or perhaps more effectively, right to our MEPs involved with it. We have time! It is going for European ratification on Thursday. If you want to make your voice heard against this poor US inspired law, check out this page: http://www.stopacta.info/ It will tell you what you can do and who you can email to make your voice heard. I have sent my email already. If the Red Cross, Oxfam, Reporters without borders and a number of MEPs think its bad, there has to be something to fear, don't you think! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Mon Jan 30 09:43:08 2012 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:43:08 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Calling all you geeks, lets make our voices heard! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F266624.8050306@iucr.org> Liking the new activist Stuart! Some more info here http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/01/acta-would-usurp-congressional-authority-threatens-numerous-public-interests-a-backroom-special-interest-deal.html Dave. On 29/01/12 21:08, Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > We all know ACTA is a fundamentally flawed piece of legislature that is > basically US IP laws by proxy. It criminalises civil offences, and > removes some of your rights to due process under the law. It prevents > third world countries from copying drugs that save lives, for people who > couldn't afford them any other way! This and all manner of other nasties. > > It's not quite too late. We can riot on the streets or perhaps more > effectively, right to our MEPs involved with it. We have time! It is > going for European ratification on Thursday. > > If you want to make your voice heard against this poor US inspired law, > check out this page: http://www.stopacta.info/ > > It will tell you what you can do and who you can email to make your > voice heard. > > I have sent my email already. If the Red Cross, Oxfam, Reporters without > borders and a number of MEPs think its bad, there has to be something to > fear, don't you think! > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Jan 30 14:50:21 2012 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:50:21 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Calling all you geeks, lets make our voices heard! In-Reply-To: <4F266624.8050306@iucr.org> References: <4F266624.8050306@iucr.org> Message-ID: Hi, Well it beats working (JK) but no worries. Just write that emai! ;) On 30 January 2012 09:43, David Holden wrote: > Liking the new activist Stuart! > > Some more info here > > http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/01/acta-would-usurp-congressional-authority-threatens-numerous-public-interests-a-backroom-special-interest-deal.html > > Dave. > > > On 29/01/12 21:08, Stuart Burns wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > We all know ACTA is a fundamentally flawed piece of legislature that is > > basically US IP laws by proxy. It criminalises civil offences, and > > removes some of your rights to due process under the law. It prevents > > third world countries from copying drugs that save lives, for people who > > couldn't afford them any other way! This and all manner of other nasties. > > > > It's not quite too late. We can riot on the streets or perhaps more > > effectively, right to our MEPs involved with it. We have time! It is > > going for European ratification on Thursday. > > > > If you want to make your voice heard against this poor US inspired law, > > check out this page: http://www.stopacta.info/ > > > > It will tell you what you can do and who you can email to make your > > voice heard. > > > > I have sent my email already. If the Red Cross, Oxfam, Reporters without > > borders and a number of MEPs think its bad, there has to be something to > > fear, don't you think! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- > Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From veedub at linuxmail.org Mon Jan 30 19:49:58 2012 From: veedub at linuxmail.org (veedub) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:49:58 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Calling all you geeks, lets make our voices heard! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F26F45B.7000508@linuxmail.org> Hi all...for sale...Samsung black and white laser printer...linux ok.....£30.00 email veedub at linuxmail.org John Greenwood On 29/01/12 21:08, Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > We all know ACTA is a fundamentally flawed piece of legislature that > is basically US IP laws by proxy. It criminalises civil offences, and > removes some of your rights to due process under the law. It prevents > third world countries from copying drugs that save lives, for people > who couldn't afford them any other way! This and all manner of other > nasties. > > It's not quite too late. We can riot on the streets or perhaps more > effectively, right to our MEPs involved with it. We have time! It is > going for European ratification on Thursday. > > If you want to make your voice heard against this poor US inspired > law, check out this page: http://www.stopacta.info/ > > It will tell you what you can do and who you can email to make your > voice heard. > > I have sent my email already. If the Red Cross, Oxfam, Reporters > without borders and a number of MEPs think its bad, there has to be > something to fear, don't you think! > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: