From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 14:27:23 2013 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:27:23 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Links from the LUG meet Message-ID: Hi all, Apologies for the delay, after last week's meet I've been flat out. I was asked to post links to the virtualisation stuff we discussed. Here are a couple of links, please let me know if there was anything else you wanted a link to. http://openvz.org/Main_Page http://proxmox.com/products/proxmox-ve http://proxmox.com/products/proxmox-mail-gateway Les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Thu Feb 7 14:50:02 2013 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:50:02 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Links from the LUG meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5113BF12.4060408@iucr.org> Cheers. Dave. On 07/02/13 14:27, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > > Apologies for the delay, after last week's meet I've been flat out. I > was asked to post links to the virtualisation stuff we discussed. Here > are a couple of links, please let me know if there was anything else you > wanted a link to. > > http://openvz.org/Main_Page > > http://proxmox.com/products/proxmox-ve > > http://proxmox.com/products/proxmox-mail-gateway > > Les > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 09:27:40 2013 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 09:27:40 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Upcoming European privacy vote. Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I thought I should just write and advise you freedom loving people of a some legislation reform that may have a massive impact on all of us and our pockets too. Over the next month several European debates are being held in order to come up with a European privacy rules concerning the internet and your right to be forgotten. Other things they are discussing includes the question of price profiling and management of information about you and the security around it being weakened. The US lobbyists have already gotten some input into drafting a bill and the chap overseeing privacy in the UK now works for Google, and it suddenly becomes a bad thing! We need to fight back and tell our representatives that they need to carefully consider what goes in and we would love a well designed, thought out and balanced privacy policy. It involves maybe an hour of your time, to write 4 emails, one to each group. Of course you can tell everyone you know about it as well Check out the full story at http://www.privacycampaign.eu/ -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Tue Feb 12 10:05:46 2013 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 10:05:46 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Upcoming European privacy vote. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <511A13F1.3060000@iucr.org> Thanks Stuart, I'll look into this. Cheers, Dave. On 12/02/13 09:27, Stuart Burns wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I thought I should just write and advise you freedom loving people of a > some legislation reform that may have a massive impact on all of us and > our pockets too. > > Over the next month several European debates are being held in order to > come up with a European privacy rules concerning the internet and your > right to be forgotten. Other things they are discussing includes the > question of price profiling and management of information about you and > the security around it being weakened. The US lobbyists have already > gotten some input into drafting a bill and the chap overseeing privacy > in the UK now works for Google, and it suddenly becomes a bad thing! > > We need to fight back and tell our representatives that they need to > carefully consider what goes in and we would love a well designed, > thought out and balanced privacy policy. > > It involves maybe an hour of your time, to write 4 emails, one to each > group. Of course you can tell everyone you know about it as well > > > Check out the full story at http://www.privacycampaign.eu/ > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 10:48:57 2013 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:48:57 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Online training news Message-ID: Hiya Everyone, I don't know how many of you this will appeal to but hey. Trainsignal courses are CBT courses and are especially good for Windows and VMware. They used to run to about $400 a course, but now they have moved to a subscription model. $49 a month for ALL the courses. I realise it isn't for everyone but some of you out there may be interested. A list of the courses you can do online: http://www.trainsignal.com/Browse Also they are offering a 3 day free trial. I'm going to sign up later and try it. Regards Stuart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trainsignal > courses are CBT courses and are especially good for Windows and VMware. > They used to run to about $400 a course, but now they have moved to a > subscription model. $49 a month for ALL the courses. I realise it isn't for > everyone but some of you out there may be interested. > > A list of the courses you can do online: http://www.trainsignal.com/Browse > > Also they are offering a 3 day free trial. I'm going to sign up later and > try it. > > Regards > > Stuart > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 15:54:23 2013 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:54:23 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Mint Message-ID: Hi all, Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary desktop systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous Gnome versions in the past, but with all the the Gnome changes I have found myself using KDE more. So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed it with no problems. All worked really well and I was pleased with hardware support etc. The problem came when I tried to run an update. Apt-get returned a whole load of 404s when trying to update, saying the servers could not be found. A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos they had for the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name for the Mint distro and not the matched Ubuntu edition! (All these code names are just annoying in my opinion). So a quick change of the name to the correct Ubuntu code name and all the updates worked perfectly. A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem too. I find it very hard to believe that a distro could be rolled with such a simple error. Also being such a trivial error, that it hasn't been quickly fixed amazed me. The experience didn't fill me with confidence about the distro at all. Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be going back to Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to something like Fedora / Mageia / Fuduntu... Les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan at danlynch.org Fri Feb 22 16:02:53 2013 From: dan at danlynch.org (Dan Lynch) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:02:53 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Mint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven't heard of that problem before Les but it sounds like a real school boy error. To coin a phrase. I use Mint on loads of my machines with either the Cinnamon or MATE interfaces. Haven't tried the KDE version but I've found it to be a good reliable distro over the years. Always worth exploring new horizons though, I wouldn't discourage you from that. I've heard some horror stories about the latest Fedora from friends. People who are clear Fedora supporters too. Apparently there are lots of bugs to iron out and things to work around. It's not really meant to be a stable end user desktop distro, it's very much the development arm of RHEL these days. Not tried Mageia yet but I loved Mandrake back in the day so I hope it's good. Is Kubuntu not an option if you're a KDE fan? I know Canonical stopped paying the lead developer but he quickly got a job for someone else continuing Kubuntu officially. I always hear good things about it but haven't tried it in years. I'm not really a KDE man. Anyway, enough rambling. Just thought I'd contribute these random thoughts :) Dan On 22 February 2013 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > > Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary desktop > systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous Gnome versions in the > past, but with all the the Gnome changes I have found myself using KDE more. > > So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed it with no > problems. All worked really well and I was pleased with hardware support > etc. The problem came when I tried to run an update. Apt-get returned a > whole load of 404s when trying to update, saying the servers could not be > found. > > A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos they had for > the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name for the Mint distro and not > the matched Ubuntu edition! (All these code names are just annoying in my > opinion). So a quick change of the name to the correct Ubuntu code name and > all the updates worked perfectly. > > A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem too. I find it > very hard to believe that a distro could be rolled with such a simple > error. Also being such a trivial error, that it hasn't been quickly fixed > amazed me. The experience didn't fill me with confidence about the distro > at all. > > Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be going back to > Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to something like Fedora / Mageia / > Fuduntu... > > Les > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Fri Feb 22 16:07:22 2013 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:07:22 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Mint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512797AF.7060606@iucr.org> Which Mint? I've recently installed Linux Mint 14 Nadia (KDE) and not had any problems with apt. Dave. On 22/02/13 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > > Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary desktop > systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous Gnome versions in the > past, but with all the the Gnome changes I have found myself using KDE more. > > So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed it with no > problems. All worked really well and I was pleased with hardware support > etc. The problem came when I tried to run an update. Apt-get returned a > whole load of 404s when trying to update, saying the servers could not > be found. > > A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos they had for > the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name for the Mint distro and > not the matched Ubuntu edition! (All these code names are just annoying > in my opinion). So a quick change of the name to the correct Ubuntu code > name and all the updates worked perfectly. > > A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem too. I find > it very hard to believe that a distro could be rolled with such a simple > error. Also being such a trivial error, that it hasn't been quickly > fixed amazed me. The experience didn't fill me with confidence about the > distro at all. > > Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be going back > to Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to something like Fedora / > Mageia / Fuduntu... > > Les > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From rcgibson at talktalk.net Fri Feb 22 16:23:54 2013 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:23:54 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Mint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51279B80.3070105@talktalk.net> And I was just going to give Mint a try. I'll wait for an 'All Clear'before I go down that path. Have to say that now I've got used to it, the latest Ubuntu desk top 'straight out of the box' seems as good as any, but then I don't push it hard.Roger. On 22/02/2013 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > > Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary desktop > systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous Gnome versions in > the past, but with all the the Gnome changes I have found myself using > KDE more. > > So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed it with > no problems. All worked really well and I was pleased with hardware > support etc. The problem came when I tried to run an update. Apt-get > returned a whole load of 404s when trying to update, saying the > servers could not be found. > > A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos they had > for the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name for the Mint > distro and not the matched Ubuntu edition! (All these code names are > just annoying in my opinion). So a quick change of the name to the > correct Ubuntu code name and all the updates worked perfectly. > > A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem too. I find > it very hard to believe that a distro could be rolled with such a > simple error. Also being such a trivial error, that it hasn't been > quickly fixed amazed me. The experience didn't fill me with confidence > about the distro at all. > > Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be going back > to Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to something like Fedora / > Mageia / Fuduntu... > > Les > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release Date: 02/20/13 > -- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release Date: 02/20/13 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 16:26:26 2013 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:26:26 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Mint In-Reply-To: <51279B80.3070105@talktalk.net> References: <51279B80.3070105@talktalk.net> Message-ID: You could always install it in Virtualbox and see how you like it, nothing lost if you don't. Just delete it! On 22 February 2013 16:23, Roger Gibson wrote: > And I was just going to give Mint a try. I'll wait for an 'All Clear'before I go down that path. Have to say that now I've got used to it, the > latest Ubuntu desk top 'straight out of the box' seems as good as any, but > then I don't push it hard. Roger. > > On 22/02/2013 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: > > Hi all, > > Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary desktop > systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous Gnome versions in the > past, but with all the the Gnome changes I have found myself using KDE more. > > So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed it with no > problems. All worked really well and I was pleased with hardware support > etc. The problem came when I tried to run an update. Apt-get returned a > whole load of 404s when trying to update, saying the servers could not be > found. > > A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos they had for > the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name for the Mint distro and not > the matched Ubuntu edition! (All these code names are just annoying in my > opinion). So a quick change of the name to the correct Ubuntu code name and > all the updates worked perfectly. > > A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem too. I find it > very hard to believe that a distro could be rolled with such a simple > error. Also being such a trivial error, that it hasn't been quickly fixed > amazed me. The experience didn't fill me with confidence about the distro > at all. > > Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be going back to > Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to something like Fedora / Mageia / > Fuduntu... > > Les > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing listChester at mailman.lug.org.ukhttps://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release Date: 02/20/13 > > > -- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release Date: 02/20/13 > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at aguado.co.uk Fri Feb 22 16:36:35 2013 From: j at aguado.co.uk (J Aguado) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:36:35 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Mint In-Reply-To: References: <51279B80.3070105@talktalk.net> Message-ID: I will been testing Mint tonight actually as I am in the process of finding the right distro to Dual boot my Window$8 desktop. At the moment only Fedora18 was able to recognise the (windows) partitions on my SSD drive and not complain about it. I did not find many issues with it, albeit having read all the reviews. Unfortunately, the fact that installing NVIDIA drivers on Fedora is a MAJOR pain is making me try Mint. Ubuntu's installer was not able recognise the partitions on my disk, so I do not have high hopes and see myself tweaking Fedora. If it works and recognises my hardware I'll let you know if I find other issues, but I know that there is a huge community behind Mint ever since Ubuntu started to move to Unity, so I have high hopes ;) J. 2013/2/22 Stuart Burns > You could always install it in Virtualbox and see how you like it, nothing > lost if you don't. Just delete it! > > > On 22 February 2013 16:23, Roger Gibson wrote: > >> And I was just going to give Mint a try. I'll wait for an 'All Clear'before I go down that path. Have to say that now I've got used to it, the >> latest Ubuntu desk top 'straight out of the box' seems as good as any, but >> then I don't push it hard. Roger. >> >> On 22/02/2013 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary desktop >> systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous Gnome versions in the >> past, but with all the the Gnome changes I have found myself using KDE more. >> >> So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed it with no >> problems. All worked really well and I was pleased with hardware support >> etc. The problem came when I tried to run an update. Apt-get returned a >> whole load of 404s when trying to update, saying the servers could not be >> found. >> >> A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos they had for >> the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name for the Mint distro and not >> the matched Ubuntu edition! (All these code names are just annoying in my >> opinion). So a quick change of the name to the correct Ubuntu code name and >> all the updates worked perfectly. >> >> A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem too. I find >> it very hard to believe that a distro could be rolled with such a simple >> error. Also being such a trivial error, that it hasn't been quickly fixed >> amazed me. The experience didn't fill me with confidence about the distro >> at all. >> >> Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be going back >> to Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to something like Fedora / Mageia / >> Fuduntu... >> >> Les >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing listChester at mailman.lug.org.ukhttps://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release Date: 02/20/13 >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release Date: 02/20/13 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mrcrilly at gmail.com Fri Feb 22 16:48:38 2013 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:48:38 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Mint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry to hear about that Les! I use Mint on my desktop in work and it has a few issues here an there (mainly Cinnamon), but I don't believe I have experienced that issue. It has been quite good for me. At home I use Debian in the laptop and a Mac for media. I think straight Debian is the way forward, personally. It's an absolutely rock solid distro. Anyway this isn't a distro vs distro conversation. - MTC On 22 Feb 2013, at 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > > Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary desktop systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous Gnome versions in the past, but with all the the Gnome changes I have found myself using KDE more. > > So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed it with no problems. All worked really well and I was pleased with hardware support etc. The problem came when I tried to run an update. Apt-get returned a whole load of 404s when trying to update, saying the servers could not be found. > > A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos they had for the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name for the Mint distro and not the matched Ubuntu edition! (All these code names are just annoying in my opinion). So a quick change of the name to the correct Ubuntu code name and all the updates worked perfectly. > > A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem too. I find it very hard to believe that a distro could be rolled with such a simple error. Also being such a trivial error, that it hasn't been quickly fixed amazed me. The experience didn't fill me with confidence about the distro at all. > > Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be going back to Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to something like Fedora / Mageia / Fuduntu... > > Les > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From les at chesterlug.org.uk Fri Feb 22 17:15:58 2013 From: les at chesterlug.org.uk (Les Pritchard) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:15:58 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Mint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for all the feedback. In the past I've always been happy with other versions of Mint, I use the Debian edition on a forensic desktop and that deals with big (TBs) sized files with no stability problems. So maybe this is just an odd blip. I always used to use Ubuntu on the desktop until a couple of years back, then on this particular desktop I was using Pinguy. Not a very well known distro, but it worked really well on my hardware. Trouble is it didn't have a smooth upgrade path, hence the change. I figured being the most popular distro out there, Mint can't be that bad. Just wondering if the KDE version is a poor relation. David: Yes it was Nadia that I downloaded a couple of days ago. Come to think of it, I installed from the same ISO onto a virtualbox VM and I didn't get a problem then. So it's very strange, maybe it randomly picks from a list of sources and just some of them are incorrect? Dan: I've used Kubuntu a few times and did like it, I was just wondering how well supported it was now. From what you say, it sounds like it is still going strong and could be a good option. Les On 22 February 2013 16:48, Michael Crilly wrote: > Sorry to hear about that Les! I use Mint on my desktop in work and it has > a few issues here an there (mainly Cinnamon), but I don't believe I have > experienced that issue. It has been quite good for me. > > At home I use Debian in the laptop and a Mac for media. I think straight > Debian is the way forward, personally. It's an absolutely rock solid > distro. Anyway this isn't a distro vs distro conversation. > > - MTC > > On 22 Feb 2013, at 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary desktop > systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous Gnome versions in the > past, but with all the the Gnome changes I have found myself using KDE more. > > > > So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed it with no > problems. All worked really well and I was pleased with hardware support > etc. The problem came when I tried to run an update. Apt-get returned a > whole load of 404s when trying to update, saying the servers could not be > found. > > > > A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos they had for > the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name for the Mint distro and not > the matched Ubuntu edition! (All these code names are just annoying in my > opinion). So a quick change of the name to the correct Ubuntu code name and > all the updates worked perfectly. > > > > A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem too. I find > it very hard to believe that a distro could be rolled with such a simple > error. Also being such a trivial error, that it hasn't been quickly fixed > amazed me. The experience didn't fill me with confidence about the distro > at all. > > > > Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be going back > to Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to something like Fedora / Mageia / > Fuduntu... > > > > Les > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcgibson at talktalk.net Fri Feb 22 17:58:08 2013 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:58:08 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Mint (or rather dual booting with Linux) In-Reply-To: References: <51279B80.3070105@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <5127B1A2.10803@talktalk.net> I dual boot Windoze 7 with Ubuntu (updated through many versions)and have no problems with rwx access to Windoze partitions (same on my desktop, laptop and notebook). Although I use a separate ntfs partition for my 'data' files, so as to facilitate reloading/changing loaded OS, (MS software support recommended to me reloading Windoze every 12 months to remove 'inevitable ongoing corruptions') I can access Windoze partitions directly with no problems. Using Thunderbird, even IMAPed to gmail, both Ubuntu and Windoze 7 happily work with the same profile sub-directory on my ntfs 'data' partition, ensuring these are up to date (and they run to about 10GB) whatever OS I am currently using, and can be used on or off line. I also found SUSE triple booted in worked fine too. The gmail IMAPing ensures I have transparent up to date total access to several years email history, address books etc on my NEXUS. Roger. On 22/02/13 16:35, J Aguado wrote: > I will been testing Mint tonight actually as I am in the process of > finding the right distro to Dual boot my Window$8 desktop. > At the moment only Fedora18 was able to recognise the (windows) > partitions on my SSD drive and not complain about it. > I did not find many issues with it, albeit having read all the reviews. > Unfortunately, the fact that installing NVIDIA drivers on Fedora is a > MAJOR pain is making me try Mint. > > Ubuntu's installer was not able recognise the partitions on my disk, > so I do not have high hopes and see myself tweaking Fedora. > If it works and recognises my hardware I'll let you know if I find > other issues, but I know that there is a huge community behind Mint > ever since Ubuntu started to move to Unity, so I have high hopes ;) > > J. > > > 2013/2/22 Stuart Burns > > > You could always install it in Virtualbox and see how you like it, > nothing lost if you don't. Just delete it! > > > On 22 February 2013 16:23, Roger Gibson > wrote: > > And I was just going to give Mint a try. I'll wait for an > 'All Clear'before I go down that path. Have to say that now > I've got used to it, the latest Ubuntu desk top 'straight out > of the box' seems as good as any, but then I don't push it > hard. Roger. > > On 22/02/2013 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary >> desktop systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous >> Gnome versions in the past, but with all the the Gnome >> changes I have found myself using KDE more. >> >> So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed >> it with no problems. All worked really well and I was pleased >> with hardware support etc. The problem came when I tried to >> run an update. Apt-get returned a whole load of 404s when >> trying to update, saying the servers could not be found. >> >> A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos >> they had for the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name >> for the Mint distro and not the matched Ubuntu edition! (All >> these code names are just annoying in my opinion). So a quick >> change of the name to the correct Ubuntu code name and all >> the updates worked perfectly. >> >> A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem >> too. I find it very hard to believe that a distro could be >> rolled with such a simple error. Also being such a trivial >> error, that it hasn't been quickly fixed amazed me. The >> experience didn't fill me with confidence about the distro at >> all. >> >> Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be >> going back to Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to >> something like Fedora / Mageia / Fuduntu... >> >> Les >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release >> Date: 02/20/13 >> > > -- > > > > > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release > Date: 02/20/13 > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release Date: 02/20/13 > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Sat Feb 23 08:37:26 2013 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:37:26 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Linux Mint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51287FBC.9090707@iucr.org> If you want I can tar up my /etc/apt and send it you. Dave. On 22/02/13 17:15, Les Pritchard wrote: > Thanks for all the feedback. In the past I've always been happy with > other versions of Mint, I use the Debian edition on a forensic desktop > and that deals with big (TBs) sized files with no stability problems. So > maybe this is just an odd blip. I always used to use Ubuntu on the > desktop until a couple of years back, then on this particular desktop I > was using Pinguy. Not a very well known distro, but it worked really > well on my hardware. Trouble is it didn't have a smooth upgrade path, > hence the change. I figured being the most popular distro out there, > Mint can't be that bad. Just wondering if the KDE version is a poor > relation. > > David: Yes it was Nadia that I downloaded a couple of days ago. Come to > think of it, I installed from the same ISO onto a virtualbox VM and I > didn't get a problem then. So it's very strange, maybe it randomly picks > from a list of sources and just some of them are incorrect? > > Dan: I've used Kubuntu a few times and did like it, I was just wondering > how well supported it was now. From what you say, it sounds like it is > still going strong and could be a good option. > > Les > > > On 22 February 2013 16:48, Michael Crilly > wrote: > > Sorry to hear about that Les! I use Mint on my desktop in work and > it has a few issues here an there (mainly Cinnamon), but I don't > believe I have experienced that issue. It has been quite good for me. > > At home I use Debian in the laptop and a Mac for media. I think > straight Debian is the way forward, personally. It's an absolutely > rock solid distro. Anyway this isn't a distro vs distro conversation. > > - MTC > > On 22 Feb 2013, at 15:54, Les Pritchard > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary > desktop systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous Gnome > versions in the past, but with all the the Gnome changes I have > found myself using KDE more. > > > > So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed it > with no problems. All worked really well and I was pleased with > hardware support etc. The problem came when I tried to run an > update. Apt-get returned a whole load of 404s when trying to update, > saying the servers could not be found. > > > > A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos they > had for the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name for the Mint > distro and not the matched Ubuntu edition! (All these code names are > just annoying in my opinion). So a quick change of the name to the > correct Ubuntu code name and all the updates worked perfectly. > > > > A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem too. I > find it very hard to believe that a distro could be rolled with such > a simple error. Also being such a trivial error, that it hasn't been > quickly fixed amazed me. The experience didn't fill me with > confidence about the distro at all. > > > > Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be going > back to Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to something like > Fedora / Mageia / Fuduntu... > > > > Les > > _______________________________________________ > > Chester mailing list > > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org) From shop at open-t.co.uk Sun Feb 24 10:50:38 2013 From: shop at open-t.co.uk (Sebastian Arcus) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 10:50:38 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] OT - Linux Mint (or rather dual booting with Linux) In-Reply-To: <5127B1A2.10803@talktalk.net> References: <51279B80.3070105@talktalk.net> <5127B1A2.10803@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <5129F072.20906@open-t.co.uk> Sorry for the stuff below. Slightly OT I'm afraid. On 22/02/13 17:57, Roger Gibson wrote: > I dual boot Windoze 7 with Ubuntu (updated through many versions)and > have no problems with rwx access to Windoze partitions (same on my > desktop, laptop and notebook). > > Although I use a separate ntfs partition for my 'data' files, so as to > facilitate reloading/changing loaded OS, (MS software support > recommended to me reloading Windoze every 12 months to remove > 'inevitable ongoing corruptions') That's an interesting turn of phrase. Was that really one of the MS support people - or a third party supporting MS products? Just curious, as I might not like MS stuff myself - but even I don't have such a low opinion of their software. I can access Windoze partitions > directly with no problems. > > Using Thunderbird, even IMAPed to gmail, both Ubuntu and Windoze 7 > happily work with the same profile sub-directory on my ntfs 'data' > partition, ensuring these are up to date (and they run to about 10GB) > whatever OS I am currently using, and can be used on or off line. I > also found SUSE triple booted in worked fine too. The gmail IMAPing > ensures I have transparent up to date total access to several years > email history, address books etc on my NEXUS. What are you using to keep the TB contacts in sync with Google's end? Is it the "Google Contacts" add-on? If yes, how reliable do you find it? I've been trying various contacts and calendar sync options over the years with various back-ends - and I find it on larger number of items (300-400 contacts, or over 2000 appointments) pretty much every system starts to do weird things after few months - either breaking the sync or randomly duplicating items. Thanks, Sebastian > > Roger. > > On 22/02/13 16:35, J Aguado wrote: >> I will been testing Mint tonight actually as I am in the process of >> finding the right distro to Dual boot my Window$8 desktop. >> At the moment only Fedora18 was able to recognise the (windows) >> partitions on my SSD drive and not complain about it. >> I did not find many issues with it, albeit having read all the reviews. >> Unfortunately, the fact that installing NVIDIA drivers on Fedora is a >> MAJOR pain is making me try Mint. >> >> Ubuntu's installer was not able recognise the partitions on my disk, >> so I do not have high hopes and see myself tweaking Fedora. >> If it works and recognises my hardware I'll let you know if I find >> other issues, but I know that there is a huge community behind Mint >> ever since Ubuntu started to move to Unity, so I have high hopes ;) >> >> J. >> >> >> 2013/2/22 Stuart Burns > > >> >> You could always install it in Virtualbox and see how you like it, >> nothing lost if you don't. Just delete it! >> >> >> On 22 February 2013 16:23, Roger Gibson > > wrote: >> >> And I was just going to give Mint a try. I'll wait for an >> 'All Clear'before I go down that path. Have to say that now >> I've got used to it, the latest Ubuntu desk top 'straight out >> of the box' seems as good as any, but then I don't push it >> hard. Roger. >> >> On 22/02/2013 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary >>> desktop systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous >>> Gnome versions in the past, but with all the the Gnome >>> changes I have found myself using KDE more. >>> >>> So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed >>> it with no problems. All worked really well and I was pleased >>> with hardware support etc. The problem came when I tried to >>> run an update. Apt-get returned a whole load of 404s when >>> trying to update, saying the servers could not be found. >>> >>> A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos >>> they had for the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name >>> for the Mint distro and not the matched Ubuntu edition! (All >>> these code names are just annoying in my opinion). So a quick >>> change of the name to the correct Ubuntu code name and all >>> the updates worked perfectly. >>> >>> A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem >>> too. I find it very hard to believe that a distro could be >>> rolled with such a simple error. Also being such a trivial >>> error, that it hasn't been quickly fixed amazed me. The >>> experience didn't fill me with confidence about the distro at >>> all. >>> >>> Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be >>> going back to Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to >>> something like Fedora / Mageia / Fuduntu... >>> >>> Les >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release >>> Date: 02/20/13 >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release >> Date: 02/20/13 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Stuart Burns >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> M: [redacted] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release Date: 02/20/13 >> > > -- > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Linux vehicle CCTV - www.open-t.co.uk/iroko From mrcrilly at gmail.com Sun Feb 24 23:30:00 2013 From: mrcrilly at gmail.com (Michael Crilly) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 23:30:00 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] OT - Linux Mint (or rather dual booting with Linux) In-Reply-To: <5129F072.20906@open-t.co.uk> References: <51279B80.3070105@talktalk.net> <5127B1A2.10803@talktalk.net> <5129F072.20906@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: I use Google Apps for my email and calendar. I also use it for contacts. I think it costs me roughly £3/month, which is pennies for the amount of storage you get. Google Apps for email is on par with Exchange in my opinion. - MTC On 24 Feb 2013, at 10:50, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > Sorry for the stuff below. Slightly OT I'm afraid. > > On 22/02/13 17:57, Roger Gibson wrote: >> I dual boot Windoze 7 with Ubuntu (updated through many versions)and >> have no problems with rwx access to Windoze partitions (same on my >> desktop, laptop and notebook). >> >> Although I use a separate ntfs partition for my 'data' files, so as to >> facilitate reloading/changing loaded OS, (MS software support >> recommended to me reloading Windoze every 12 months to remove >> 'inevitable ongoing corruptions') > > That's an interesting turn of phrase. Was that really one of the MS support people - or a third party supporting MS products? Just curious, as I might not like MS stuff myself - but even I don't have such a low opinion of their software. > > > I can access Windoze partitions >> directly with no problems. >> >> Using Thunderbird, even IMAPed to gmail, both Ubuntu and Windoze 7 >> happily work with the same profile sub-directory on my ntfs 'data' >> partition, ensuring these are up to date (and they run to about 10GB) >> whatever OS I am currently using, and can be used on or off line. I >> also found SUSE triple booted in worked fine too. The gmail IMAPing >> ensures I have transparent up to date total access to several years >> email history, address books etc on my NEXUS. > > What are you using to keep the TB contacts in sync with Google's end? Is it the "Google Contacts" add-on? If yes, how reliable do you find it? I've been trying various contacts and calendar sync options over the years with various back-ends - and I find it on larger number of items (300-400 contacts, or over 2000 appointments) pretty much every system starts to do weird things after few months - either breaking the sync or randomly duplicating items. > > Thanks, > > Sebastian > >> >> Roger. >> >> On 22/02/13 16:35, J Aguado wrote: >>> I will been testing Mint tonight actually as I am in the process of >>> finding the right distro to Dual boot my Window$8 desktop. >>> At the moment only Fedora18 was able to recognise the (windows) >>> partitions on my SSD drive and not complain about it. >>> I did not find many issues with it, albeit having read all the reviews. >>> Unfortunately, the fact that installing NVIDIA drivers on Fedora is a >>> MAJOR pain is making me try Mint. >>> >>> Ubuntu's installer was not able recognise the partitions on my disk, >>> so I do not have high hopes and see myself tweaking Fedora. >>> If it works and recognises my hardware I'll let you know if I find >>> other issues, but I know that there is a huge community behind Mint >>> ever since Ubuntu started to move to Unity, so I have high hopes ;) >>> >>> J. >>> >>> >>> 2013/2/22 Stuart Burns >> > >>> >>> You could always install it in Virtualbox and see how you like it, >>> nothing lost if you don't. Just delete it! >>> >>> >>> On 22 February 2013 16:23, Roger Gibson >> > wrote: >>> >>> And I was just going to give Mint a try. I'll wait for an >>> 'All Clear'before I go down that path. Have to say that now >>> I've got used to it, the latest Ubuntu desk top 'straight out >>> of the box' seems as good as any, but then I don't push it >>> hard. Roger. >>> >>> On 22/02/2013 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary >>>> desktop systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous >>>> Gnome versions in the past, but with all the the Gnome >>>> changes I have found myself using KDE more. >>>> >>>> So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed >>>> it with no problems. All worked really well and I was pleased >>>> with hardware support etc. The problem came when I tried to >>>> run an update. Apt-get returned a whole load of 404s when >>>> trying to update, saying the servers could not be found. >>>> >>>> A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos >>>> they had for the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name >>>> for the Mint distro and not the matched Ubuntu edition! (All >>>> these code names are just annoying in my opinion). So a quick >>>> change of the name to the correct Ubuntu code name and all >>>> the updates worked perfectly. >>>> >>>> A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem >>>> too. I find it very hard to believe that a distro could be >>>> rolled with such a simple error. Also being such a trivial >>>> error, that it hasn't been quickly fixed amazed me. The >>>> experience didn't fill me with confidence about the distro at >>>> all. >>>> >>>> Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be >>>> going back to Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to >>>> something like Fedora / Mageia / Fuduntu... >>>> >>>> Les >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release >>>> Date: 02/20/13 >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release >>> Date: 02/20/13 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Stuart Burns >>> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >>> M: [redacted] >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release Date: 02/20/13 >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > -- > Linux vehicle CCTV - www.open-t.co.uk/iroko > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From bogus at bogzab.plus.com Mon Feb 25 11:35:02 2013 From: bogus at bogzab.plus.com (Bogus Zaba) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 11:35:02 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Chester Digest, Vol 271, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512B4D74.4010404@bogzab.plus.com> On 22/02/13 17:57, Roger Gibson wrote: >> I dual boot Windoze 7 with Ubuntu (updated through many versions)and >> have no problems with rwx access to Windoze partitions (same on my >> desktop, laptop and notebook). >> >> Although I use a separate ntfs partition for my 'data' files, so as to >> facilitate reloading/changing loaded OS, (MS software support >> recommended to me reloading Windoze every 12 months to remove >> 'inevitable ongoing corruptions') Stranger here - I have never been to the Chester LUG, but I have been lurking on the list for a while (based in Denbighshire and working in Liverpool so passing through Chester quite a lot). Just to contribute to the dual-booting discussion - my Thinkpad laptop dual boots Slackware and Windows 7 quite happily, although with VirtualBox, QEMU and Wine I rarely need to actually cold-boot into Windows. Slackware comes with LILO as the boot manager and only command line utilities for re-sizing the partitions which you need to do when installing Linux on a PC with Windows pre-loaded but it all worked fine for me - I can read and write to the original Windows (NTFS) partition as required with no issues. There may have been some magic stuff had to be put into /etc/fstab to achieve the write-access if I recall correctly. Bogus Zaba From shop at open-t.co.uk Mon Feb 25 14:08:27 2013 From: shop at open-t.co.uk (Sebastian Arcus) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:08:27 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Chester Digest, Vol 271, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <512B4D74.4010404@bogzab.plus.com> References: <512B4D74.4010404@bogzab.plus.com> Message-ID: <512B7052.8060003@open-t.co.uk> On 25/02/13 11:39, Bogus Zaba wrote: > On 22/02/13 17:57, Roger Gibson wrote: >>> I dual boot Windoze 7 with Ubuntu (updated through many versions)and >>> have no problems with rwx access to Windoze partitions (same on my >>> desktop, laptop and notebook). >>> >>> Although I use a separate ntfs partition for my 'data' files, so as to >>> facilitate reloading/changing loaded OS, (MS software support >>> recommended to me reloading Windoze every 12 months to remove >>> 'inevitable ongoing corruptions') > Stranger here - I have never been to the Chester LUG, but I have been > lurking on the list for a while (based in Denbighshire and working in > Liverpool so passing through Chester quite a lot). > > Just to contribute to the dual-booting discussion - my Thinkpad laptop > dual boots Slackware and Windows 7 quite happily, although with > VirtualBox, QEMU and Wine I rarely need to actually cold-boot into > Windows. Slackware comes with LILO as the boot manager and only command > line utilities for re-sizing the partitions which you need to do when > installing Linux on a PC with Windows pre-loaded but it all worked fine > for me - I can read and write to the original Windows (NTFS) partition > as required with no issues. There may have been some magic stuff had to > be put into /etc/fstab to achieve the write-access if I recall correctly. > > Bogus Zaba > There are two drivers for accessing the NTFS file system. The official kernel one (which is used by default by the mount command and fstab - if nothing else is specified) - and the the fuseFS NTFS-3G one. I believe the official one can still only do read-only access (some copyright or patent issues, if I remember correctly) - but the fuseFS one can do read-write. So you have to specify ntfs-3g either on the command line (if using mount) or in fstab - if you want to be able to write to the NTFS share. At least that's what I recall - at least on Slackware. If anybody can spot a hole in my explanation, feel free to shout Sebastian From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 14:08:44 2013 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:08:44 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Chester Digest, Vol 271, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <512B4D74.4010404@bogzab.plus.com> References: <512B4D74.4010404@bogzab.plus.com> Message-ID: Well I spent a good few hours yesterday trying to get ANY Linux to dual boot. I just gave up in the END. EFI and MAC just seem to be a complete pain. On 25 February 2013 11:39, Bogus Zaba wrote: > On 22/02/13 17:57, Roger Gibson wrote: > >> I dual boot Windoze 7 with Ubuntu (updated through many versions)and >>> have no problems with rwx access to Windoze partitions (same on my >>> desktop, laptop and notebook). >>> >>> Although I use a separate ntfs partition for my 'data' files, so as to >>> facilitate reloading/changing loaded OS, (MS software support >>> recommended to me reloading Windoze every 12 months to remove >>> 'inevitable ongoing corruptions') >>> >> Stranger here - I have never been to the Chester LUG, but I have been > lurking on the list for a while (based in Denbighshire and working in > Liverpool so passing through Chester quite a lot). > > Just to contribute to the dual-booting discussion - my Thinkpad laptop > dual boots Slackware and Windows 7 quite happily, although with VirtualBox, > QEMU and Wine I rarely need to actually cold-boot into Windows. Slackware > comes with LILO as the boot manager and only command line utilities for > re-sizing the partitions which you need to do when installing Linux on a PC > with Windows pre-loaded but it all worked fine for me - I can read and > write to the original Windows (NTFS) partition as required with no issues. > There may have been some magic stuff had to be put into /etc/fstab to > achieve the write-access if I recall correctly. > > Bogus Zaba > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at aguado.co.uk Mon Feb 25 14:15:48 2013 From: j at aguado.co.uk (J Aguado) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:15:48 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Chester Digest, Vol 271, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: <512B4D74.4010404@bogzab.plus.com> Message-ID: Stuart, if you are using a newish Machine, you will need to modify the BIOS so it does not use the UEFI boot loader security feature. In my case, as my machine came with windows 8 OEM, once I disabled the "security" at the BIOS level, Mint 14 KDE installer worked like a charm. It detected my windows partitions, and it installed Grub2 adding an entry for W8. It even mounts the NTFS mount points, rw, without any issues. Do not despair, there is always a way ;) J. 2013/2/25 Stuart Burns > Well I spent a good few hours yesterday trying to get ANY Linux to dual > boot. I just gave up in the END. EFI and MAC just seem to be a complete > pain. > > > On 25 February 2013 11:39, Bogus Zaba wrote: > >> On 22/02/13 17:57, Roger Gibson wrote: >> >>> I dual boot Windoze 7 with Ubuntu (updated through many versions)and >>>> have no problems with rwx access to Windoze partitions (same on my >>>> desktop, laptop and notebook). >>>> >>>> Although I use a separate ntfs partition for my 'data' files, so as to >>>> facilitate reloading/changing loaded OS, (MS software support >>>> recommended to me reloading Windoze every 12 months to remove >>>> 'inevitable ongoing corruptions') >>>> >>> Stranger here - I have never been to the Chester LUG, but I have been >> lurking on the list for a while (based in Denbighshire and working in >> Liverpool so passing through Chester quite a lot). >> >> Just to contribute to the dual-booting discussion - my Thinkpad laptop >> dual boots Slackware and Windows 7 quite happily, although with VirtualBox, >> QEMU and Wine I rarely need to actually cold-boot into Windows. Slackware >> comes with LILO as the boot manager and only command line utilities for >> re-sizing the partitions which you need to do when installing Linux on a PC >> with Windows pre-loaded but it all worked fine for me - I can read and >> write to the original Windows (NTFS) partition as required with no issues. >> There may have been some magic stuff had to be put into /etc/fstab to >> achieve the write-access if I recall correctly. >> >> Bogus Zaba >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.james.burns at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 14:28:27 2013 From: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com (Stuart Burns) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:28:27 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Chester Digest, Vol 271, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: <512B4D74.4010404@bogzab.plus.com> Message-ID: Well I have a macbook 7.1. I used rEFI to sort the EFI out. The problem was mainly around getting changes written to disk, but that couldnt happen as whenever I installed via DVD or USB stick, it claimed it couldn't write the changes because it couldn't unmount the cdrom. I tried both Mint 14 and Ubuntu. On 25 February 2013 14:15, J Aguado wrote: > Stuart, > > if you are using a newish Machine, you will need to modify the BIOS so it > does not use the UEFI boot loader security feature. > In my case, as my machine came with windows 8 OEM, once I disabled the > "security" at the BIOS level, Mint 14 KDE installer worked like a charm. It > detected my windows partitions, and it installed Grub2 adding an entry for > W8. It even mounts the NTFS mount points, rw, without any issues. > > Do not despair, there is always a way ;) > > J. > > > 2013/2/25 Stuart Burns > >> Well I spent a good few hours yesterday trying to get ANY Linux to dual >> boot. I just gave up in the END. EFI and MAC just seem to be a complete >> pain. >> >> >> On 25 February 2013 11:39, Bogus Zaba wrote: >> >>> On 22/02/13 17:57, Roger Gibson wrote: >>> >>>> I dual boot Windoze 7 with Ubuntu (updated through many versions)and >>>>> have no problems with rwx access to Windoze partitions (same on my >>>>> desktop, laptop and notebook). >>>>> >>>>> Although I use a separate ntfs partition for my 'data' files, so as to >>>>> facilitate reloading/changing loaded OS, (MS software support >>>>> recommended to me reloading Windoze every 12 months to remove >>>>> 'inevitable ongoing corruptions') >>>>> >>>> Stranger here - I have never been to the Chester LUG, but I have been >>> lurking on the list for a while (based in Denbighshire and working in >>> Liverpool so passing through Chester quite a lot). >>> >>> Just to contribute to the dual-booting discussion - my Thinkpad laptop >>> dual boots Slackware and Windows 7 quite happily, although with VirtualBox, >>> QEMU and Wine I rarely need to actually cold-boot into Windows. Slackware >>> comes with LILO as the boot manager and only command line utilities for >>> re-sizing the partitions which you need to do when installing Linux on a PC >>> with Windows pre-loaded but it all worked fine for me - I can read and >>> write to the original Windows (NTFS) partition as required with no issues. >>> There may have been some magic stuff had to be put into /etc/fstab to >>> achieve the write-access if I recall correctly. >>> >>> Bogus Zaba >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Stuart Burns >> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >> M: [redacted] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -- Stuart Burns E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com M: [redacted] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shop at open-t.co.uk Mon Feb 25 15:00:41 2013 From: shop at open-t.co.uk (Sebastian Arcus) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:00:41 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Chester Digest, Vol 271, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: <512B4D74.4010404@bogzab.plus.com> Message-ID: <512B7C88.2080300@open-t.co.uk> No sure about Mint or Ubuntu - but I didn't have much trouble installing and dual-booting Slackware and Windows 7 on a UEFI machine. As others say - secure boot (if available) should be disabled in BIOS. Also, don't know what other variables the Mac side of things introduces into the equation. When installing Linux, I booted of a live cd, mounted the UEFI system partition, and dropped my kernel and boot loader (Elilo in my case) manually in the right place. Then I've created an entry in Bios for the Elilo loader. Then again, maybe none of the above is applicable when installing on a Mac. I know Ubuntu is using Grub2 - which in a sense is more capable - but I have to say when trying to reconfigure it by hand on one of my machines - seemed like a box of spanners compared to the old Grub. And few other people on forums seemed to share the frustration. Sebastian On 25/02/13 14:28, Stuart Burns wrote: > Well I have a macbook 7.1. > > I used rEFI to sort the EFI out. The problem was mainly around getting > changes written to disk, but that couldnt happen as whenever I installed > via DVD or USB stick, it claimed it couldn't write the changes because > it couldn't unmount the cdrom. I tried both Mint 14 and Ubuntu. > > On 25 February 2013 14:15, J Aguado > wrote: > > Stuart, > > if you are using a newish Machine, you will need to modify the BIOS > so it does not use the UEFI boot loader security feature. > In my case, as my machine came with windows 8 OEM, once I disabled > the "security" at the BIOS level, Mint 14 KDE installer worked like > a charm. It detected my windows partitions, and it installed Grub2 > adding an entry for W8. It even mounts the NTFS mount points, rw, > without any issues. > > Do not despair, there is always a way ;) > > J. > > > 2013/2/25 Stuart Burns > > > Well I spent a good few hours yesterday trying to get ANY Linux > to dual boot. I just gave up in the END. EFI and MAC just seem > to be a complete pain. > > > On 25 February 2013 11:39, Bogus Zaba > wrote: > > On 22/02/13 17:57, Roger Gibson wrote: > > I dual boot Windoze 7 with Ubuntu (updated through > many versions)and > have no problems with rwx access to Windoze > partitions (same on my > desktop, laptop and notebook). > > Although I use a separate ntfs partition for my > 'data' files, so as to > facilitate reloading/changing loaded OS, (MS > software support > recommended to me reloading Windoze every 12 months > to remove > 'inevitable ongoing corruptions') > > Stranger here - I have never been to the Chester LUG, but I > have been lurking on the list for a while (based in > Denbighshire and working in Liverpool so passing through > Chester quite a lot). > > Just to contribute to the dual-booting discussion - my > Thinkpad laptop dual boots Slackware and Windows 7 quite > happily, although with VirtualBox, QEMU and Wine I rarely > need to actually cold-boot into Windows. Slackware comes > with LILO as the boot manager and only command line > utilities for re-sizing the partitions which you need to do > when installing Linux on a PC with Windows pre-loaded but it > all worked fine for me - I can read and write to the > original Windows (NTFS) partition as required with no > issues. There may have been some magic stuff had to be put > into /etc/fstab to achieve the write-access if I recall > correctly. > > Bogus Zaba > > > > > > _________________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/__mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > > M: [redacted] > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > -- > Stuart Burns > E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com > M: [redacted] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Linux vehicle CCTV - www.open-t.co.uk/iroko From rcgibson at talktalk.net Mon Feb 25 22:59:14 2013 From: rcgibson at talktalk.net (Roger Gibson) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 22:59:14 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] OT - Linux Mint (or rather dual booting with Linux) In-Reply-To: <5129F072.20906@open-t.co.uk> References: <51279B80.3070105@talktalk.net> <5127B1A2.10803@talktalk.net> <5129F072.20906@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: <512BECB6.6040103@talktalk.net> Thanks for all comments. Re MS Support comment to reinstall the system annually, this came from a quite senior MS chap. I assist a charity with IT, and in spite of many efforts by me, they stick to MS. However, I can't blame them, as Gates Foundation sells MS products to charities for peanuts. I bought several desks of XP Pro and Full Office 2003 for about £3/£4 each. Then when W7 came out they sent me 50 licences free. I was having trouble authorising a couple of these (authentication failed after about three months), and the problem got escalated up the chain. Eventually it was fixed, but while talking to the chap, who rang me from Bangalore several times to check it was working still, I mentioned some other problems. When he learned that I had installed the systems a couple of years previously, he said, try reinstalling. Registers get muddled etc, especially if applications are aborted and not closed properly etc. It worked, and quicker for a time. Must be the same reason you hear of all the system clean up programs etc. And re Thunderbird/Gmail synchronously IMAPed from Ubuntu/W7, I don't use calendar, but having looked, yes address book entries have multiplied, up to 30+ copies in some cases.I've got over 1000 separate entries. The Gmail 'remove duplicate addresses' soon removed the duplicates, and I'll keep a watch on this now. I had not noticed this, but maybe access to addresses was slowing. Living miles from the exchange, and with a telephone line little better than damp string, downloading is less than 1Mbps, so I'm used to things being slow, which is why I minimise the amount of live IMAPing, keeping hard copies of 'history' locally. So yes, it all works, but now I know of a couple of problems behind the scenes. Are we on for Thursday Les - Roger. On 24/02/2013 10:50, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > Sorry for the stuff below. Slightly OT I'm afraid. > > On 22/02/13 17:57, Roger Gibson wrote: >> I dual boot Windoze 7 with Ubuntu (updated through many versions)and >> have no problems with rwx access to Windoze partitions (same on my >> desktop, laptop and notebook). >> >> Although I use a separate ntfs partition for my 'data' files, so as to >> facilitate reloading/changing loaded OS, (MS software support >> recommended to me reloading Windoze every 12 months to remove >> 'inevitable ongoing corruptions') > > That's an interesting turn of phrase. Was that really one of the MS > support people - or a third party supporting MS products? Just > curious, as I might not like MS stuff myself - but even I don't have > such a low opinion of their software. > > > I can access Windoze partitions >> directly with no problems. >> >> Using Thunderbird, even IMAPed to gmail, both Ubuntu and Windoze 7 >> happily work with the same profile sub-directory on my ntfs 'data' >> partition, ensuring these are up to date (and they run to about 10GB) >> whatever OS I am currently using, and can be used on or off line. I >> also found SUSE triple booted in worked fine too. The gmail IMAPing >> ensures I have transparent up to date total access to several years >> email history, address books etc on my NEXUS. > > What are you using to keep the TB contacts in sync with Google's end? > Is it the "Google Contacts" add-on? If yes, how reliable do you find > it? I've been trying various contacts and calendar sync options over > the years with various back-ends - and I find it on larger number of > items (300-400 contacts, or over 2000 appointments) pretty much every > system starts to do weird things after few months - either breaking > the sync or randomly duplicating items. > > Thanks, > > Sebastian > >> >> Roger. >> >> On 22/02/13 16:35, J Aguado wrote: >>> I will been testing Mint tonight actually as I am in the process of >>> finding the right distro to Dual boot my Window$8 desktop. >>> At the moment only Fedora18 was able to recognise the (windows) >>> partitions on my SSD drive and not complain about it. >>> I did not find many issues with it, albeit having read all the reviews. >>> Unfortunately, the fact that installing NVIDIA drivers on Fedora is a >>> MAJOR pain is making me try Mint. >>> >>> Ubuntu's installer was not able recognise the partitions on my disk, >>> so I do not have high hopes and see myself tweaking Fedora. >>> If it works and recognises my hardware I'll let you know if I find >>> other issues, but I know that there is a huge community behind Mint >>> ever since Ubuntu started to move to Unity, so I have high hopes ;) >>> >>> J. >>> >>> >>> 2013/2/22 Stuart Burns >> > >>> >>> You could always install it in Virtualbox and see how you like it, >>> nothing lost if you don't. Just delete it! >>> >>> >>> On 22 February 2013 16:23, Roger Gibson >> > wrote: >>> >>> And I was just going to give Mint a try. I'll wait for an >>> 'All Clear'before I go down that path. Have to say that now >>> I've got used to it, the latest Ubuntu desk top 'straight out >>> of the box' seems as good as any, but then I don't push it >>> hard. Roger. >>> >>> On 22/02/2013 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary >>>> desktop systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous >>>> Gnome versions in the past, but with all the the Gnome >>>> changes I have found myself using KDE more. >>>> >>>> So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed >>>> it with no problems. All worked really well and I was pleased >>>> with hardware support etc. The problem came when I tried to >>>> run an update. Apt-get returned a whole load of 404s when >>>> trying to update, saying the servers could not be found. >>>> >>>> A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos >>>> they had for the Ubuntu servers all referenced the code name >>>> for the Mint distro and not the matched Ubuntu edition! (All >>>> these code names are just annoying in my opinion). So a quick >>>> change of the name to the correct Ubuntu code name and all >>>> the updates worked perfectly. >>>> >>>> A quick Google suggests that others have seen this problem >>>> too. I find it very hard to believe that a distro could be >>>> rolled with such a simple error. Also being such a trivial >>>> error, that it hasn't been quickly fixed amazed me. The >>>> experience didn't fill me with confidence about the distro at >>>> all. >>>> >>>> Has anyone else found any other issues with it? Should I be >>>> going back to Ubuntu after all this time?! Or over to >>>> something like Fedora / Mageia / Fuduntu... >>>> >>>> Les >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Chester mailing list >>>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release >>>> Date: 02/20/13 >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release >>> Date: 02/20/13 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Stuart Burns >>> E: stuart.james.burns at gmail.com >>> >>> M: [redacted] >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Chester mailing list >>> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6118 - Release Date: >>> 02/20/13 >>> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > -- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6122 - Release Date: 02/21/13 From shop at open-t.co.uk Tue Feb 26 08:31:00 2013 From: shop at open-t.co.uk (Sebastian Arcus) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:31:00 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Fwd: Re: OT - Linux Mint (or rather dual booting with Linux) In-Reply-To: <512C6E75.7040108@open-t.co.uk> References: <512C6E75.7040108@open-t.co.uk> Message-ID: <512C72BB.1000503@open-t.co.uk> On 25/02/13 22:59, Roger Gibson wrote: > Thanks for all comments. > > Re MS Support comment to reinstall the system annually, this came from a > quite senior MS chap. I assist a charity with IT, and in spite of many > efforts by me, they stick to MS. However, I can't blame them, as Gates > Foundation sells MS products to charities for peanuts. I bought several > desks of XP Pro and Full Office 2003 for about £3/£4 each. Then when W7 > came out they sent me 50 licences free. I was having trouble > authorising a couple of these (authentication failed after about three > months), and the problem got escalated up the chain. Eventually it was > fixed, but while talking to the chap, who rang me from Bangalore several > times to check it was working still, I mentioned some other problems. > When he learned that I had installed the systems a couple of years > previously, he said, try reinstalling. Registers get muddled etc, > especially if applications are aborted and not closed properly etc. Thanks Roger. Not disparaging the real techs out there, but I'm afraid the industry seems to be full of sales types who pass themselves as "working in IT" - just because they work in a company where other actual IT people work. I've recently heard a talk from a guy working for a large Linux distro who was clearly in sales/marketing (or at least let's say on the "softer side of things") - and who described himself as "supporting" systems for some large banks. It was beyond me what that "support" meant, as he was clearly not a techie. Then there are the people who are narrowly trained on the job to press a series of buttons, but who don't have real tech background or fundamental knowledge and regurgitate what they heard here and there. So I would take with a grain of salt what the MS guy was saying. Plenty of registry corruption occurring in MS products - but a blanket recommendation of re-installing once a year doesn't sound like real pro advice who knows his/her stuff. It > worked, and quicker for a time. Must be the same reason you hear of all > the system clean up programs etc. > > And re Thunderbird/Gmail synchronously IMAPed from Ubuntu/W7, I don't > use calendar, but having looked, yes address book entries have > multiplied, up to 30+ copies in some cases.I've got over 1000 separate > entries. The Gmail 'remove duplicate addresses' soon removed the > duplicates, and I'll keep a watch on this now. I had not noticed this, > but maybe access to addresses was slowing. I've spent the last 8 years trying various calendar and address book sync systems for Outlook (aside from Exchange) or Thunderbird - and I have to say that I haven't found a reliable, solid method which will cope in the long term with 1000's of entries. The sort of method that can be installed at clients and not go wrong one way or another every few months again and again. At the moment I'm using Horde - and it seems that the sort of setup where a central repository is accessed through a web interface appears to be the only reliable setup. Oh well, enough with hijacking this thread. Sorry everybody. Sebastian From les.pritchard at gmail.com Tue Feb 26 11:54:00 2013 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 11:54:00 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] OT - Linux Mint (or rather dual booting with Linux) In-Reply-To: <512BECB6.6040103@talktalk.net> References: <51279B80.3070105@talktalk.net> <5127B1A2.10803@talktalk.net> <5129F072.20906@open-t.co.uk> <512BECB6.6040103@talktalk.net> Message-ID: Hi Roger and all, Yes it's the end of the month already! There was some discussion about another possible venue but I don't think that's been sorted yet. So for the time being I think it will be in the Rake and Pikel. Les On Monday, February 25, 2013, Roger Gibson wrote: > Thanks for all comments. > > Re MS Support comment to reinstall the system annually, this came from a > quite senior MS chap. I assist a charity with IT, and in spite of many > efforts by me, they stick to MS. However, I can't blame them, as Gates > Foundation sells MS products to charities for peanuts. I bought several > desks of XP Pro and Full Office 2003 for about £3/£4 each. Then when W7 > came out they sent me 50 licences free. I was having trouble authorising a > couple of these (authentication failed after about three months), and the > problem got escalated up the chain. Eventually it was fixed, but while > talking to the chap, who rang me from Bangalore several times to check it > was working still, I mentioned some other problems. When he learned that I > had installed the systems a couple of years previously, he said, try > reinstalling. Registers get muddled etc, especially if applications are > aborted and not closed properly etc. It worked, and quicker for a time. > Must be the same reason you hear of all the system clean up programs etc. > > And re Thunderbird/Gmail synchronously IMAPed from Ubuntu/W7, I don't use > calendar, but having looked, yes address book entries have multiplied, up > to 30+ copies in some cases.I've got over 1000 separate entries. The Gmail > 'remove duplicate addresses' soon removed the duplicates, and I'll keep a > watch on this now. I had not noticed this, but maybe access to addresses > was slowing. > > Living miles from the exchange, and with a telephone line little better > than damp string, downloading is less than 1Mbps, so I'm used to things > being slow, which is why I minimise the amount of live IMAPing, keeping > hard copies of 'history' locally. > > So yes, it all works, but now I know of a couple of problems behind the > scenes. > > Are we on for Thursday Les - Roger. > > On 24/02/2013 10:50, Sebastian Arcus wrote: > > Sorry for the stuff below. Slightly OT I'm afraid. > > On 22/02/13 17:57, Roger Gibson wrote: > > I dual boot Windoze 7 with Ubuntu (updated through many versions)and > have no problems with rwx access to Windoze partitions (same on my > desktop, laptop and notebook). > > Although I use a separate ntfs partition for my 'data' files, so as to > facilitate reloading/changing loaded OS, (MS software support > recommended to me reloading Windoze every 12 months to remove > 'inevitable ongoing corruptions') > > > That's an interesting turn of phrase. Was that really one of the MS > support people - or a third party supporting MS products? Just curious, as > I might not like MS stuff myself - but even I don't have such a low opinion > of their software. > > > I can access Windoze partitions > > directly with no problems. > > Using Thunderbird, even IMAPed to gmail, both Ubuntu and Windoze 7 > happily work with the same profile sub-directory on my ntfs 'data' > partition, ensuring these are up to date (and they run to about 10GB) > whatever OS I am currently using, and can be used on or off line. I > also found SUSE triple booted in worked fine too. The gmail IMAPing > ensures I have transparent up to date total access to several years > email history, address books etc on my NEXUS. > > > What are you using to keep the TB contacts in sync with Google's end? Is > it the "Google Contacts" add-on? If yes, how reliable do you find it? I've > been trying various contacts and calendar sync options over the years with > various back-ends - and I find it on larger number of items (300-400 > contacts, or over 2000 appointments) pretty much every system starts to do > weird things after few months - either breaking the sync or randomly > duplicating items. > > Thanks, > > Sebastian > > > Roger. > > On 22/02/13 16:35, J Aguado wrote: > > I will been testing Mint tonight actually as I am in the process of > finding the right distro to Dual boot my Window$8 desktop. > At the moment only Fedora18 was able to recognise the (windows) > partitions on my SSD drive and not complain about it. > I did not find many issues with it, albeit having read all the reviews. > Unfortunately, the fact that installing NVIDIA drivers on Fedora is a > MAJOR pain is making me try Mint. > > Ubuntu's installer was not able recognise the partitions on my disk, > so I do not have high hopes and see myself tweaking Fedora. > If it works and recognises my hardware I'll let you know if I find > other issues, but I know that there is a huge community behind Mint > ever since Ubuntu started to move to Unity, so I have high hopes ;) > > J. > > > 2013/2/22 Stuart Burns > > > You could always install it in Virtualbox and see how you like it, > nothing lost if you don't. Just delete it! > > > On 22 February 2013 16:23, Roger Gibson > wrote: > > And I was just going to give Mint a try. I'll wait for an > 'All Clear'before I go down that path. Have to say that now > I've got used to it, the latest Ubuntu desk top 'straight out > of the box' seems as good as any, but then I don't push it > hard. Roger. > > On 22/02/2013 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote: > > Hi all, > > Last night I decided to give Mint a go on one of my primary > desktop systems. I've used the Debian edition and previous > Gnome versions in the past, but with all the the Gnome > changes I have found myself using KDE more. > > So I grabbed the KDE version of the latest Mint and installed > it with no problems. All worked really well and I was pleased > with hardware support etc. The problem came when I tried to > run an update. Apt-get returned a whole load of 404s when > trying to update, saying the servers could not be found. > > A quick look into the sources file showed me that the repos > they had for the Ubuntu servers all r > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6122 - Release Date: 02/21/13 > > > ______________________________**_________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/**mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at stfw.net Wed Feb 27 18:15:00 2013 From: neil at stfw.net (Neil Bothwick) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:15:00 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Liverpool Linux User Group Meeting - Wednesday March 6th 2013 Message-ID: <20130227181352.48e2d945@hactar.digimed.co.uk> The next LivLUG meeting will take place next Wednesday, March 6th. Sebastian will be giving his talk originally scheduled for January but postponed due to illness. Sebastian will be covering the trials and tribulations of installing a Linux distro (Slackware in this case) to an ultrabook using UEFI. He will not be covering using Secure boot with Linux, that is a whole new can of worms and UEFI on its own is enough to fill an evening's talk. Doors open at 7pm and the talk will start at around 7:30. After the talk we will move on to a local hostelry, probably the Shipping Forecast for further discussions, arguments and comparison of movie references :) If you haven't been to a LivLUG meeting before, this might be a good one to start with - we don't bite, a friendly welcome is assured. We'll meet at the usual venue, the Liverpool Social Centre. Ring the bell marked basement and someone will let you in. I've included the address and a map link below: Next to Nowhere, Basement, 96 Bold Street, Liverpool, L1 4HY Open Street Map: http://osm.org/go/euf9B7rm4-- Google+ Page: https://plus.google.com/103885281333213457399/about?gl=uk&hl=en Hope to see all the old faces and a few new ones there, all the best. -- Neil Bothwick -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 22:35:58 2013 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:35:58 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG meet Message-ID: Hi all, Just a quick reminder that the next LUG meet is tomorrow night at the Rake and Pikel from 7. I'm going to be late getting back into Chester tomorrow, so probably won't join you until a bit later. Whoever gets there first - it's worth checking if the quiz is on, if it is, grab some seats in the other side of the bar! Les -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas at thomasprophett.co.uk Thu Feb 28 15:28:09 2013 From: thomas at thomasprophett.co.uk (Thomas Prophett) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 15:28:09 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi I will be arriving at about 8. See you all there! ~ Thomas. On 27 February 2013 22:35, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a quick reminder that the next LUG meet is tomorrow night at the Rake > and Pikel from 7. I'm going to be late getting back into Chester tomorrow, > so probably won't join you until a bit later. Whoever gets there first - > it's worth checking if the quiz is on, if it is, grab some seats in the > other side of the bar! > > Les > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dh at iucr.org Thu Feb 28 21:39:21 2013 From: dh at iucr.org (David Holden) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 21:39:21 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <512FCE81.6050902@iucr.org> Sorry had to go to London today, see you next time. Dave. On 27/02/13 22:35, Les Pritchard wrote: > Hi all, > > Just a quick reminder that the next LUG meet is tomorrow night at the > Rake and Pikel from 7. I'm going to be late getting back into Chester > tomorrow, so probably won't join you until a bit later. Whoever gets > there first - it's worth checking if the quiz is on, if it is, grab some > seats in the other side of the bar! > > Les > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -- Dr David Holden. (dh at iucr.org)