From roger at rcgibson.plus.com Mon Feb 6 16:55:56 2017 From: roger at rcgibson.plus.com (Roger Gibson) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2017 16:55:56 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Home NAS device In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi folks. Forgive me if I'm asking daft or impossible questions, but I don't really know what I am talking about. I have a couple of security cameras at home, which have the option of storing images on an internal SD card, or externally via Wifi to a Network Attached Storage Device. The cameras have their own IP address which I can access (via password etc) from anywhere on the web. They are connected via Wifi to my home router or to switches connected to my home router. Using the internal 128GB SD card has its limitations as these last for about 3 weeks of operation, after which the storage continues by overwriting the oldest files. It seems that I can not just connect the cameras to a redundant laptop with an attached USB 4TB drive. Camera software does not seem to have this option. I have to have a NAS device. I can switch to/from internal SD card storage by simply logging into the camera remotely I have a separate continuous feed which I can view in a browser, either at home or elsewhere by logging in the camera using its IP address. I can also download files from the SD card for individual viewing. A further feature is that the cameras email me following a trigger by motion detection. Question is - is it fairly simple and reliable to reconfigure a redundant laptop as a NAS device using an attached USB 4TB drive for storage? I've read a few posts about this, but not found anything really straight forward or definitive. My router (Plusnet Hub One - rebadged BT?) has a USB socket, but I think this is limited to much less than 1TB. Not sure if this would be recognised as NAS anyway. Any help, or pointers to related on-line information will be most gratefully accepted. Roger. From tf+lug at tonyf.co.uk Wed Feb 8 19:48:46 2017 From: tf+lug at tonyf.co.uk (Tony TF) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 19:48:46 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Home NAS device In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As I've seen no other comments here I thought I might wade in with one or two basics about a NAS for your security cameras. A NAS Attaches some Storage to a Network or more descriptively shares regions of a storage device on the network. On Linux this is usually done by the Samba software which provides the Microsoft SMB interface to share disk partitions or directories. Have a look at Samba. If you install it on your laptop and share your USB drive you should have a usable NAS. I personally am wary of sharing things over the Internet (like your camera stream) It probably has to go via some proprietory server associated with the camera manufacturer. Your configurations to keep this secure are a whole order of magnitude more complicated than a basic LAN. There are others in the lug far more competent than me. They might feel that your level of expertise means you have a lot to learn to get where you want to be, or maybe they're just too busy. Have a look at Samba but bear in mind that you have to keep everything secure. You might be better off installing a ready made NAS distro . Have fun Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin592 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 8 23:02:50 2017 From: robin592 at yahoo.co.uk (robin592 at yahoo.co.uk) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 23:02:50 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Home NAS device In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201702082301.06789.robin592@yahoo.co.uk> Well I know pretty much sod-all about NAS, so I doubt this will be much help, but all the same... Are you trying to configure your laptop to act as a router, so you can then turn the plusnet thing off, and have your security cameras connect to your laptop instead? I take it your laptop could then (sneakily?) record the camera feed before it gets sent wherever it gets sent to on the Internet. Failing that, what about a script that reacts to the motion-trigger email, logs into the camera using it's IP address, and downloads the last hour of footage? I think there are some command line tools that can do that kind of thing. I can't honestly say I know offhand how to use them though. Regards, Robin On Wednesday 08 February 2017 19:48:19 Tony TF via Chester wrote: > As I've seen no other comments here I thought I might wade in with one or > two basics about a NAS for your security cameras. > > A NAS Attaches some Storage to a Network or more descriptively shares > regions of a storage device on the network. On Linux this is usually done > by the Samba software which provides the Microsoft SMB interface to share > disk partitions or directories. Have a look at Samba. If you install it on > your laptop and share your USB drive you should have a usable NAS. > > I personally am wary of sharing things over the Internet (like your camera > stream) It probably has to go via some proprietory server associated with > the camera manufacturer. Your configurations to keep this secure are a > whole order of magnitude more complicated than a basic LAN. > > There are others in the lug far more competent than me. They might feel > that your level of expertise means you have a lot to learn to get where you > want to be, or maybe they're just too busy. Have a look at Samba but bear > in mind that you have to keep everything secure. You might be better off > installing a ready made NAS distro > . > > Have fun > Tony > From roger at rcgibson.plus.com Thu Feb 9 13:28:08 2017 From: roger at rcgibson.plus.com (Roger Gibson) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 13:28:08 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Home NAS device In-Reply-To: <201702082301.06789.robin592@yahoo.co.uk> References: <201702082301.06789.robin592@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Robin. Just to be clear, the camera (Ucam 247) comes with fairly comprehensive software and does everything I want, except that, continuous and snapshot images can only be stored either on an SD card in the camera, or by Wifi to an NAS device connected to my router. Hence my queries about setting up an NAS device using an old laptop. The short comings of the SD card are are that it could be damaged/stolen with the camera, and it has limited capacity, about three weeks of continuous recording before it starts overwriting the oldest files. There is a third option I could explore, in that a continuous feed can be independently and continuously viewed in a browser, so this feed could be intercepted. I'm not sure about the quality of this feed. And also to be clear, nothing goes out over the internet, unless I log in to the camera from holiday etc to look see. Anyway, many thanks to all who have sent helpful replies. I am at present exploring using Samba to set up an NAS device, but also looking at dedicated NAS programs as well. Thanks again - Roger. On 08/02/17 23:01, Robin via Chester wrote: > Well I know pretty much sod-all about NAS, so I doubt this will be much help, but all the same... > > Are you trying to configure your laptop to act as a router, so you can then turn the plusnet thing off, and have your security cameras connect to your laptop instead? I take it your laptop could then (sneakily?) record the camera feed before it gets sent wherever it gets sent to on the Internet. > > Failing that, what about a script that reacts to the motion-trigger email, logs into the camera using it's IP address, and downloads the last hour of footage? I think there are some command line tools that can do that kind of thing. I can't honestly say I know offhand how to use them though. > > Regards, > Robin > > > On Wednesday 08 February 2017 19:48:19 Tony TF via Chester wrote: >> As I've seen no other comments here I thought I might wade in with one or >> two basics about a NAS for your security cameras. >> >> A NAS Attaches some Storage to a Network or more descriptively shares >> regions of a storage device on the network. On Linux this is usually done >> by the Samba software which provides the Microsoft SMB interface to share >> disk partitions or directories. Have a look at Samba. If you install it on >> your laptop and share your USB drive you should have a usable NAS. >> >> I personally am wary of sharing things over the Internet (like your camera >> stream) It probably has to go via some proprietory server associated with >> the camera manufacturer. Your configurations to keep this secure are a >> whole order of magnitude more complicated than a basic LAN. >> >> There are others in the lug far more competent than me. They might feel >> that your level of expertise means you have a lot to learn to get where you >> want to be, or maybe they're just too busy. Have a look at Samba but bear >> in mind that you have to keep everything secure. You might be better off >> installing a ready made NAS distro >> . >> >> Have fun >> Tony >> > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester From tf+lug at tonyf.co.uk Sun Feb 12 22:58:54 2017 From: tf+lug at tonyf.co.uk (Tony TF) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 22:58:54 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Home NAS device In-Reply-To: References: <201702082301.06789.robin592@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Roger Did you notice that recent DDoS attacks used IP cameras in a botnet! Mainly those with internals from wholesale supplier XiongMai Technologies. End products from ZTE, Panasonic, Axis, Toshiba, Samsung and more (UCam not mentioned). The cameras were hacked using telnet or SSH using default (and unchangeable) passwords. Apparently UPnP in a router can also be a security risk. I only mention this because your statement "unique IP address, which I can access via password from anywhere on the web" sort of leaves a lot of unanswered security questions! Tony Reference: https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/10/hacked-cameras-dvrs-powered-todays-massive-internet-outage/ On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Roger Gibson via Chester < chester at mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote: > Thanks Robin. Just to be clear, the camera (Ucam 247) comes with fairly > comprehensive software and does everything I want, except that, continuous > and snapshot images can only be stored either on an SD card in the camera, > or by Wifi to an NAS device connected to my router. Hence my queries about > setting up an NAS device using an old laptop. The short comings of the SD > card are are that it could be damaged/stolen with the camera, and it has > limited capacity, about three weeks of continuous recording before it > starts overwriting the oldest files. > > There is a third option I could explore, in that a continuous feed can be > independently and continuously viewed in a browser, so this feed could be > intercepted. I'm not sure about the quality of this feed. > > And also to be clear, nothing goes out over the internet, unless I log in > to the camera from holiday etc to look see. > > Anyway, many thanks to all who have sent helpful replies. I am at present > exploring using Samba to set up an NAS device, but also looking at > dedicated NAS programs as well. > > Thanks again - Roger. > > > On 08/02/17 23:01, Robin via Chester wrote: > >> Well I know pretty much sod-all about NAS, so I doubt this will be much >> help, but all the same... >> >> Are you trying to configure your laptop to act as a router, so you can >> then turn the plusnet thing off, and have your security cameras connect to >> your laptop instead? I take it your laptop could then (sneakily?) record >> the camera feed before it gets sent wherever it gets sent to on the >> Internet. >> >> Failing that, what about a script that reacts to the motion-trigger >> email, logs into the camera using it's IP address, and downloads the last >> hour of footage? I think there are some command line tools that can do that >> kind of thing. I can't honestly say I know offhand how to use them though. >> >> Regards, >> Robin >> >> >> On Wednesday 08 February 2017 19:48:19 Tony TF via Chester wrote: >> >>> As I've seen no other comments here I thought I might wade in with one or >>> two basics about a NAS for your security cameras. >>> >>> A NAS Attaches some Storage to a Network or more descriptively shares >>> regions of a storage device on the network. On Linux this is usually done >>> by the Samba software which provides the Microsoft SMB interface to share >>> disk partitions or directories. Have a look at Samba. If you install it >>> on >>> your laptop and share your USB drive you should have a usable NAS. >>> >>> I personally am wary of sharing things over the Internet (like your >>> camera >>> stream) It probably has to go via some proprietory server associated with >>> the camera manufacturer. Your configurations to keep this secure are a >>> whole order of magnitude more complicated than a basic LAN. >>> >>> There are others in the lug far more competent than me. They might feel >>> that your level of expertise means you have a lot to learn to get where >>> you >>> want to be, or maybe they're just too busy. Have a look at Samba but bear >>> in mind that you have to keep everything secure. You might be better off >>> installing a ready made NAS distro >>> . >>> >>> Have fun >>> Tony >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roger at rcgibson.plus.com Mon Feb 13 12:51:33 2017 From: roger at rcgibson.plus.com (Roger Gibson) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2017 12:51:33 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] Home NAS device In-Reply-To: References: <201702082301.06789.robin592@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Tony. I can, and have, changed both the name and password. However, what one never knows is whether the manufacturers have a 'back door' they can use to give 'help and on-line service' when you have screwed up the software. But then this applies to anything you buy. On 12/02/17 22:58, Tony TF via Chester wrote: > Hi Roger > Did you notice that recent DDoS attacks used IP cameras in a botnet! > Mainly those with internals from wholesale supplier XiongMai > Technologies. End products from ZTE, Panasonic, Axis, Toshiba, Samsung > and more (UCam not mentioned). The cameras were hacked using telnet or > SSH using default (and unchangeable) passwords. > Apparently UPnP in a router can also be a security risk. > I only mention this because your statement "unique IP address, which I > can access via password from anywhere on the web" sort of leaves a lot > of unanswered security questions! > > Tony > > Reference: > https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/10/hacked-cameras-dvrs-powered-todays-massive-internet-outage/ > > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Roger Gibson via Chester > > wrote: > > Thanks Robin. Just to be clear, the camera (Ucam 247) comes with > fairly comprehensive software and does everything I want, except > that, continuous and snapshot images can only be stored either on > an SD card in the camera, or by Wifi to an NAS device connected to > my router. Hence my queries about setting up an NAS device using > an old laptop. The short comings of the SD card are are that it > could be damaged/stolen with the camera, and it has limited > capacity, about three weeks of continuous recording before it > starts overwriting the oldest files. > > There is a third option I could explore, in that a continuous feed > can be independently and continuously viewed in a browser, so this > feed could be intercepted. I'm not sure about the quality of this > feed. > > And also to be clear, nothing goes out over the internet, unless I > log in to the camera from holiday etc to look see. > > Anyway, many thanks to all who have sent helpful replies. I am at > present exploring using Samba to set up an NAS device, but also > looking at dedicated NAS programs as well. > > Thanks again - Roger. > > > On 08/02/17 23:01, Robin via Chester wrote: > > Well I know pretty much sod-all about NAS, so I doubt this > will be much help, but all the same... > > Are you trying to configure your laptop to act as a router, so > you can then turn the plusnet thing off, and have your > security cameras connect to your laptop instead? I take it > your laptop could then (sneakily?) record the camera feed > before it gets sent wherever it gets sent to on the Internet. > > Failing that, what about a script that reacts to the > motion-trigger email, logs into the camera using it's IP > address, and downloads the last hour of footage? I think there > are some command line tools that can do that kind of thing. I > can't honestly say I know offhand how to use them though. > > Regards, > Robin > > > On Wednesday 08 February 2017 19:48:19 Tony TF via Chester wrote: > > As I've seen no other comments here I thought I might wade > in with one or > two basics about a NAS for your security cameras. > > A NAS Attaches some Storage to a Network or more > descriptively shares > regions of a storage device on the network. On Linux this > is usually done > by the Samba software which provides the Microsoft SMB > interface to share > disk partitions or directories. Have a look at Samba. If > you install it on > your laptop and share your USB drive you should have a > usable NAS. > > I personally am wary of sharing things over the Internet > (like your camera > stream) It probably has to go via some proprietory server > associated with > the camera manufacturer. Your configurations to keep this > secure are a > whole order of magnitude more complicated than a basic LAN. > > There are others in the lug far more competent than me. > They might feel > that your level of expertise means you have a lot to learn > to get where you > want to be, or maybe they're just too busy. Have a look at > Samba but bear > in mind that you have to keep everything secure. You might > be better off > installing a ready made NAS distro > >. > > Have fun > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From workdvdh at gmail.com Tue Feb 14 15:16:23 2017 From: workdvdh at gmail.com (dvd work) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 15:16:23 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] ZFS Message-ID: Hi Wondering if any ZFS users out there and if so have you any suggestions on best way to set up a zpool for machine with 16x1G disks. 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That many discs i would consider two 8 > disc Z3s. > > Whats is the use case? > > On 14 February 2017 at 15:15, dvd work via Chester < > chester at mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote: > > > Hi > > Wondering if any ZFS users out there and if so have you any suggestions on > best way to set up a zpool for machine with 16x1G disks. > > I was thinking just creation a zpool that uses all the disk and specifying > raidz3 e.g. > > sudo zpool create pool-name raidz3 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd... > > but are there better approaches? > > > Thanks, > > Dave. > > > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That many discs i would consider two 8 >> disc Z3s. >> >> Whats is the use case? >> >> On 14 February 2017 at 15:15, dvd work via Chester < >> chester at mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote: >> >> >> Hi >> >> Wondering if any ZFS users out there and if so have you any suggestions >> on best way to set up a zpool for machine with 16x1G disks. >> >> I was thinking just creation a zpool that uses all the disk and >> specifying raidz3 e.g. >> >> sudo zpool create pool-name raidz3 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd... >> >> but are there better approaches? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dave. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chester mailing list >> Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:52 PM Les Pritchard via Chester < chester at mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote: > Hi all, > > Quick reminder that the LUG meet is tonight from 8pm at the Old Cusom > House, Watergate Street. We'll be upstairs in the function room. I suspect > a few of us will be ordering food if you'd like to join us. > > See you later. > > Les > _______________________________________________ > Chester mailing list > Chester at mailman.lug.org.uk > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/chester > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From les.pritchard at gmail.com Thu Feb 23 14:27:51 2017 From: les.pritchard at gmail.com (Les Pritchard) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 14:27:51 -0000 Subject: [Chester LUG] LUG Meet tonight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dave, Hope you're feeling better soon, hopefully see you next month. 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