[cumbria_lug] Microsoft poster

[jenruss+russ at mail.plus.net]

I think we should let him post. I'd be willing to fill in his survey. I'd
like Microsoft to know why I don't like them. It sounds from his original
request that he just wants to post a request for people to contact him with
their opinions. Any further contact won't have to involve the LUG, so
anyone that doesn't want to talk to the guy can simply ignore the one
e-mail.

Russ



Original Message:
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From:  trevor at haven.demon.co.uk
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:01:30 +0000
To: cumbria at mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [cumbria_lug] Microsoft poster


All,
First of all it would be unfair of us to push the responsibilty onto Schwuk,
we all need to take-part in decision making.

Mike>When a company is calling a community-run project a "cancer", such a
Mike>hideously distasteful remark, engaging in severe anti-competitive
Mike>practices and trying to destroy the good-will work and jobs of
Mike>thousands of programmers around the work, do you even want to talk to
Mike>someone from such a company?

Trevor<Microsoft have made many remarks that I find offensive, they
belittle the
Trevor<efforts of a huge number of people and have set out to damage and
ultimatley 
Trevor<destroy a public work of international importance.  This is not good
thinking.
Trevor<Yes I have some things to say to them !

Mike>Yes, this man doesn't necessarily reflect the damaging efforts from
Mike>Microsoft execs, but he had a choice -- he could've used his
Mike>programming or managing talent to help make the world a better place.

Trevor<The man has got to work, He has a job and not everyone can make a
Trevor<living out of GNU/Linux.  I make my living from supporting HP-UX,
Solaris
Trevor<and Windows. I support Linux and have taken on a free-software
package
Trevor<to develop and support but I will not make a penny out of it, I am
Trevor<doing it for myself and I believe other people will benefit from my
Trevor<efforts. This is Charity and is according to Microsoft un-Americain.

Mike>I'm no mouth-foaming Microsoft hater by any means, but let's not
Mike>forget that they're solely out to destroy Linux and the community. If
Mike>he wants to learn from Linux and become part of the community, he
Mike>should look carefully at his own life first!

Trevor<I do at times get very angry at the actions of Microsoft.
Trevor<I am aware of the eventual aim. I don't believe destroying a
Trevor<community is a clever thing to do in the long term as it will
Trevor<stick in peoples minds that Microsoft took away free software !

It's your call Schwuk, but I certainly don't want anything to do with
employees from a company's behaving so badly and causing so much damage.

Mike


Steve>>
Steve>Well said... and I quite agree...


Steve>If your given the opportunity to complain, and you don't take it, how
could 
Steve>we be expected to destroy the Beast without resorting to a ravening
mob 
Steve>wielding pitchforks and burning torches (although I do like the sound
of that)

Trevor<I think that's a let him post to the list vote ?
Trevor<This is a public list from which we have only exluded Mr Tambo, 
Trevor<We do need to push our opinions to people from Microsoft as
Trevor<they may not understand what GNU/Linux is all about and are
Trevor<treating it like competition from another company. They need
Trevor<to be educated to the point where they say in meetings,
Trevor<"Linux bashing might not be a good idea, it's our own customers
Trevor<who are creating it ! By attacking 'Free software authors' we are
attacking
Trevor<I.T. proffessionals in positions which include purchasing decisions."
Trevor<I know not all Linux users are I.T. proffessionals nor are all
Trevor<I.T. proffessionals Linux users. However Linux does appeal strongly
to
Trevor<I.T. proffessionals particularly those with a UNIX background. A
software
Trevor<supplier ought to be very aware of this and I would if I were
Microsoft say,
Trevor<'Linux is not about to take over the desktop market, it's users have
a high
Trevor<proportion of I.T. people who influence decisions if not take them
and most
Trevor<also have and use my product, I don't want to set about doing my
level best
Trevor<to alienate these people."
Trevor<I would allow the man to post as we can choose, individually if we
wish to
Trevor<talk to the enemey or not. Mike might choose not to, I would.
Personnal choice.
--
Weird Trev trevor at haven.demon.co.uk  trev at bigtrev.port5.com
         


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