[Cumbria] CUMBRIA LUG -- Red Hat cp SuSE

[Ken Hough]

Chris and Dave,

I guess we all paint what we know in the best of light.  It does seem a=20
shame that when Red Hat are claiming to be the 'bee's knees' of Linux=20
distros that you have to go on a major exploration trip to find things.

With regard to 'vi', this does seem a bit OTT for modifying a line or=20
two in a small script.

I don't accept that new major distros should be allowed to have=20
(serious?) bugs. Of course this will happen, but SuSE v8.0 is fairly=20
major and seems to be pretty good -- I haven't managed to rubbish=20
anything on it yet! Any major distro today must be pretty good on=20
release or it's going to get hammered.

Why should Red Hat 'b*****' about with KDE and Gnome when the rest of=20
the Linux fraternity concentrates on getting the distro right? Probably=20
for selfish (commercial) reasons.  I believe that if this attitude=20
proliferates we'll end up with a lot of different versions of Linux=20
(etc) as happened to Unix.

Can't aggree with you about YAST (currently YAST2). It is somewhat=20
idiosyncratic, but it works and works very well once you get used to it.=20
 It's designed to be usable from either a GUI or text (ncurses) interface.

Not being the worlds expert  programmer, I still need to look up 'C'=20
language syntax and Kdevelop is worth it's space just for that.

The only problems with my 19 inch monitor are the amount of desk space=20
it takes up and it's weight. Still by pointing it into a corner, it's OK.


Regards

Ken Hough



Chris Plant wrote:

>On Sat, 2003-01-04 at 08:01, Ken Hough wrote:
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>>Dave,
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>>Installation on an AMD K6II 500 MHz PC went OK, reckognising the PCI=20
>>NE2000 type ethernet card
>>and SoundBlaster 5.1 card. I opted to use LILO rather than Grub as I'm=20
>>familier with the former.
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>>Red Hat doesn't give much choice as to alternative file formats. eg doe=
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>>not offer Reiserfs, only ext3.
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>RedHat never have put reiserfs in their distros, but they do sponsor
>ext3 heavily, and can probably support it better.
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>>After installation, had a hell of a job finding how to install more=20
>>software from the Red Hat Cds.
>>Eventually discovered how to by looking in /usr/share/doc/redhat*. ie=20
>>should use command
>>'redhat-config-packages', but there doesn't seem to be any icon or menu=
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>>item to lead to this.
>>Have now created an icon for this on the root desktop.
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>Well, there is, its in one of the menus, and redhat 8 is setup so you
>never have to login as root to do this kind of thing.  You whack the
>install disk in, and then it automatically opens the packager.  I never
>use that method, I usually just find the package myself, or download it
>from the net, its just as fast as finding the CD for me.
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>>SuSE has entries for the YAST management programme(s) from the desktop=20
>>menu (obviously only available to root).
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>YAST is quite possibly the worst program I've ever had the misfortune to
>touch.  Its about time most distros disabled the root shell by default
>and forced people to use sudo.
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>>'redhat-config-packages' can be crashed. I've done this a few times now.
>>
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>RedHat *.0 releases always have a few bugs, because they change major
>things in them, alot of problems will be fixed by 8.1.  Saying that,
>I've had no problems, and I've ripped out alot of the stuff in there to
>start off with.
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>>Doesn't seem to be a 'search' option in 'redhat-config-packages' as in=20
>>YAST under Suse Linux -- a serious omission???
>>Overall, I find YAST easier and more functional than the Red Hat equiv.=
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>>Also, it doesn't seem to crash!
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>I hardly ever use the tools with redhat, their /etc/sysconfig/ files are
>very easy to edit and easy to decipher.
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>>Don't seem to be any lightweight text editors on the Red Hat CDs such a=
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>>Pico, Joe or Jed.
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>Pico will be there, its usually part of pine iirc.
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>>Kdevelop (rated as probably the best Prog dev IDE) is not included on=20
>>the CDs, but is with Mandrake download version and with SuSE.
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>Never even looked, I hardly ever venture outside vim,gcc,gdb and
>indent.  Tried anjuta once, its nice but needs a little bit more work on
>importing existing projects.
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>>I'm not keen on the Red Hat default KDE setup and there seems to be the=
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>>odd wobbly / bug. Even so, I still
>>prefare KDE to Gnome.
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>RedHat have played with the KDE a bit too much for people's liking,
>they've tried to pull it into their bluecurve theming.  Doesn't bother
>me too much.
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>>Will carry on playing to become familier and maybe get a fairer compari=
son.
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>>Meanwhile am still using my 'work horse' for most stuff as now -- Athlo=
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>>XP1600+ / SuSE v8.0 with a 19 inch high res monitor at approx 1200 x 10=
00
>>-- now that's how to use KDE!
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>Hehe, i have a nice monitor too, its  Sony G220 17inch, cost me =C2=A327=
5
>quid, I could have a shitty TFT from somewhere in town for that, but I'd
>rather have a nice CRT than a shitty TFT.
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>>Many thanks
>>
>>Ken Hough
>>
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