Our IRC channel has changed server, to dundee.lug.org.uk , the channel is still #tlug, and a new web-based interface has been set up for all those to timid to use a normal IRC client, it is availible here: dundee.lug.org.uk/irc/ come join us, even if youve never used irc before we will be welcomming (well mabye) Keir -- Keir <keir at thelawsons.plus.com>