[Gllug] Whinge

[Dan Kolb]

On 30 Aug 2001, Jon Masters wrote:

> On 30 Aug 2001 14:07:51 +0100, Dan Kolb wrote:
> 
> jcm>> ...and had you not had the requirements for putty you would have done
> jcm>> likewise on Windows crud.
> > 
> > Done what? Install dependencies? Install OpenSSH?
> 
> The former.

Maybe I don't quite know what you're talking about, but what Windows
dependencies are you talking about?

> > What's a 'meaty' package by your definition?
> 
> Something substantial, not written by Microsoft.

Like......?

> I have installed Office 2000 twice in the last couple of weeks on W2K
> hosts - it took a reboot in both cases.

Possibly. I was installing Office 97. The service patch wanted a reboot,
though.

> > Anti-Virus stuff? A few clicks, and it's installed.
> 
> Upgrading virus protection software at work required multiple reboots
> (Vshield).

We've got VShield here at work. Updating it doesn't need a reboot.
Installing it wanted one reboot.

> > Um, under NT (and I think 2K), there's a common Programs menu which most
> > software installs itself in, *not* in the per-user Programs menu. But you
> > knew that already, didn't you?
> 
> Yes I did and my point was that getting applications on to per-user
> menus is not a on click process (for me at any rate). I must copy the
> items accross.

If they're in the common menu, why do you need to copy them to the
per-user menus?

> > But if I was a newbie, thinking about trying out
> > Linux, I'd be put off by the bash-Microsoft attitude
> 
> So what? I don't care if nobody ever "converts" again, it's not about
> getting the most users you possibly can - that's what M$ try to do.

So why do we have installfests? I don't need one, I've installed Linux
happily many times. And you say yourself that you've been trying to
convert people to use GNU/Linux. So why do you say here that you don't
care if nobody ever 'converts' again?

> A lot of people seem to think "we" must encourage everyone to drop
> Microsoft products overnight and switch - personally I feel the goal is
> to produce the best Free Operating System (which is similar to UNIX
> based systems) as possible.

What's the point of having the best OS if no-one uses it? The more people
are using it, the better the OS will be - if people complain about
this-or-that in the OS being difficult or buggy, it can be fixed. If
no-one complains, it won't be fixed.

Dan
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