Miguel de Icaza cops it from Richard Stallman! http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23939.html Are SOAP etc.. open protocols? Or has de Icaza sold his (and Gnomes's) soul? -- Stephen Harker steve at pauken.co.uk, http://www.pauken.co.uk " " - Marcel Marceau -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at linux.co.uk http://list.ftech.net/mailman/listinfo/gllug