Thanks tet, yeah quick look on sunhelp.org and it looks like a sparc lx, aparently this one has 64mb in it, i was suprised to find zero about as4030 on google. odd. (goes off to find serial cable) bredroll -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at linux.co.uk http://list.ftech.net/mailman/listinfo/gllug