[Gllug] Gllug Changing

[Jim Bailey]

On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 02:49:43PM +0100, Vincent AE Scott wrote:
> Xander D Harkness(xander at harkness.co.uk)@Wed, May 15, 2002 at 11:08:56AM +0100:
> > Jackson, Harry wrote:
> > 
> > ><FLAMEBAIT>
> > >I have just been looking at past emails on the list and something I did
> > >notice is that the threads in discussion at a point in time are fewer.
> > >Having looked down the dated list it looks much tidier. Having been on this
> > >list for over a year it has changed but I cannot put my finger on it. Is
> > >there less 1."social lubrication"? Does the list need to evolve, personally
> > >I think it does. 
> > >
Got to agree here I feel that the list is colder.

> > >Some Observations I have made.
> > >
> > >This list is more a community than a mailing list.
> > >Quite a few of us are friends in an interconnected fscked up way.
> > >Some of us hate the sight (metaphorically) of each other. 
> > >Some of use would like to ask friends questions rather than subscribe to 
> > >yet
> > >another mailing list.
> > >
> > >
> > >I know its a Linux User Group but the breadth of skills on this list is
> > >quite phenomenal. Questions on nearly every tech subject under the sun has
> > >been on this list and answered. We have had discussions about change before
> > >and the general consensus has been that the list stays as is which I agree,
> > >but I think the community around the list needs more. I know that there are
> > >separate lists off of Gllug where people talk about specific items amongst
> > >friends because the topics are not really for the list and this is becoming
> > >fragmented, would it not be better to capture all this knowledge. I am
> > >probably correct in saying that this is the biggest LUG in the UK and we
> > >should pioneer this sort of stuff for others.
> > ></FLAMEBAIT>  
> > >All of the above are my own observations and are probably some of the
> > >reasons I have not been as active on the list (yeeaaaah I hear you cry) but
> > >I was wondering if anyone else had other thought about the community around
> > >the list.
> > >
> > >H
> > > 
> > >
> > Funny - I was thinking about this sort f thing last night on the way 
> > back from my first sagewise meeting.  (probably the beer!! :-)
> 
> now this is spooky.  as i was discussing it via email off list with
> anotehr gllug member yesterday aswell.  there must have been something
> that was said that struck a chord people on a subconscious level.
> 
> 
> > I have been doing a lot of voluntary work over the last four months and 
> > had limited net access and as a result there are over 1,000 gllug emails 
> > that I did not get a chance to read or more importantly participate in :-(
> > 
> > The list has changed into less of a community and feels much more like 
> > the exim list where people get abuse for discussing something that was 
> > touched on 8 months ago.  Whereas tech industry does change quickly and 
> > people in society (which this is) discuss the same things time and again 
> > - great football game, didn't natalie look great in the trailer, is the 
> > beer watered down here? etc. etc.  I think that members of the community 
> > that is gllug should try to foster happy friendly helpful mails and 
> > admonish firmly but friendly those that are not.  I have been guilty of 
> > this myself; on both sides.
> 
> absolutely agreed.  and yes, i too have been guilty in the past of both
> giving usefull info, and flaming people.  this list seems to be far more
> formal nowadays, and basically, in a nutshell, a lot less fun than it
> used to be.  Q discussion about the gold old days when all we had was a
> candle and a lump of coal.
> 
> in the past most of the major contributors to this list have engaged in
> way OT discussions, but still interesting none the less.  this doesnt
> happen anymore, or when it does, its quickly terminated.  

I love the OT stuff being inexperienced with the OT stuff I feel that I can
interact more as an equal.  I have been studying and practicing linux for
less than two years but I have over 20 years experience in subject ranging from
philosophy to cowboy building practices.
> 
> now for some people, OT is a waste of bandwidth, but for others its a
> forum to vent an opinion and hopefully become more enlightened and
> informed.
> 
> i'd also like to mention that most of the time now, i wont bother
> answering a question, out of simple fear of being shot down by some all
> knowing $deity.  i'd guess this is the same for others aswell.
> 
I have got to agree here,  Most questions I can follow what is being
said and learn a lot.  However when there is a question I can answer I
don't because rightly or wrongly I feel that it would be wrong for my
crudely crafted reply to appear on list.

I just been looking through my old mailing to list most of my questions
and answers were pretty dumb.  There was however a lightness to them
that is lacking in more recent posts.  most recently I have the air of a
penitent asking boons from church elders.

Well FSCK THAT!

I intend to make a effort to be more OT, ask more stupid questions, give
more stupid answers, on the off chance that this will help me one day
give better answers.

If I want cold precise technical support for Linux I will go and join
the individual user lists for each application I use.

Mark do you think it might be an idea to have the mailing list server
exorcised to solve these problems.

Peace Jim

"Sometimes a scream is better than a thesis."
--Emerson.

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