[Gllug] Trademark

[Dylan Brewis]

On Friday 10 May 2002 09:22, Stuart Children wrote:
> On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 11:25:30PM +0000, Dylan Brewis wrote:
> > On an obliquely related note, on the front page where is often says:
> > 
> > this site is best viewd in M$IE<some rediculously high number>
> > 
> > I intend to say
> > 
> > This site is not optimised for M$IE blah blah
> > 
> > anyone know of a recognisable "non-MS" logo/gif thingy?
> 
> Not a non-MS one, but when I did this in the past I tended to put an 
> "anybrowser" logo and link (see http://www.anybrowser.com/linktous.html or 
> similar). There are logos for other browsers, and I've certainly have 
> seen anti-MS ones around, but I don't have any references to hand.

Great! looks like just the starting point I need.

> 
> I stopped doing that a while back though. Now I desgin purely on 
> well-supported (across current browsers) web standards and usually find 
> it then displays great in Mozilla/IE/lynx/whatever. I don't like wasting 
> space and bandwidth by sticking messages and images on all my pages as I 
> try to keep my pages clear and the content relevent. I'm happy knowing 
> that my HTML is standards compliant and usable by all. I try to do my 
> advocacy where I can actually engage with people: email, IRC, etc; 
> talking to people that actually matter - those who design the websites. 
> I sometimes email webmasters (normally just when something misconfigured 
> or incorrectly coded makes their site unusable for me) and have had some 
> positive results. IMO this kind of thing makes more of a difference than 
> annoying my viewers.
> 
> That said, if you want to put something on your site (and I do on some) 
> then I would recommend doing something that is educational to your 
> visitors. Show them your code is standards compliant (check with and use 
> the logo from http://validator.w3.org/ perhaps). Teach them why this is a 
> good thing (rather than just sticking an image up which makes you look 
> like you hate MS without any reason - most people sadly don't know or 
> understand about these things), and what alternatives there are to IE. 
> Perhaps put a logo (just on your frontpage) linking to one of the sites 
> I've mentioned above, but also have a separate page on your site that you 
> link to explaining why your design is good, why "requires browser X, 
> resolution Y, proprietary plugin Z to do anything remotely useful" is bad, 
> and some information on web standards and browsers such as Mozilla.

Well, this is for my personal site, so although I take your points and fully 
agree it's not tremendously significant here. Also, the reason I want the 
trademark and browser friendly info is to put into my rant about MS and rave 
about penguinness - so I figure I'll polish my halo ;)

> 
> HTH
> 
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