[Gllug] RE: Gllug digest, Vol 1 #2584 - 11 msgs

Sun Feb 16 12:39:36 UTC 2003

Has anyone out there tried OS X ? What are your impressions of it ?
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>    1. RE: Handing out flyers this Saturday for the  Installfest . (Mike
Brodbelt)
>    2. Re: More Microsoft patents (Mike Brodbelt)
>    3. Re: Handing out flyers this Saturday for the  Installfest . (David
Pashley)
>    4. [OT] Linux question - core dumps (rich at annexia.org)
>    5. All Computer Users *NEED* Protection from Viruses (Carmelo Whitt)
>    6. Re: [OT] Linux question - core dumps (George F. Saxby)
>    7. Free Book (Mike Brodbelt)
>    8. Re: Free Book (Mike Brodbelt)
>    9. Re: [OT] Linux question - core dumps (Walid Shaari)
>   10. Re: [OT] Linux question - core dumps (Walid Shaari)
>   11. Re: Why don't we meet up and go together? (Gordon Joly)
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> Message: 1
> Subject: RE: [Gllug] Handing out flyers this Saturday for the  Installfest
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> From: Mike Brodbelt <mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk>
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Date: 15 Feb 2003 16:56:50 +0000
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 13:00, Richard Cottrill wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: gllug-admin at linux.co.uk
> > > [mailto:gllug-admin at linux.co.uk]On Behalf
> > > Of Dermot Moynihan
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > I'd have no problem with handing out flyers at an anti-war
> > > rally to do with
> > > our Linux install-fest provided I felt that most of us saw
> > > Linux as being
> > > part of a huge philosophy to change the way the world works.
> >
> > Some of us do see Linux in that light; I believe (read: not positive due
to
> > flakey memory) RMS has the stated intention of changing the world.
>
> RMS probably would disagree with the war, but he has stated that though
> he would like to change the world in lots of ways, FSF and GNU is his
> way of trying to make a difference in the bit that he regards as his
> personal sphere.
>
> > Personally, I just think the war is obscene. I could go further here;
but
> > I'll spare it for tomorrow.
>
> Actually, what I find most obscene is that our government is going to
> send British troops to war over the objections of the electorate they
> purport to represent. Attempts to win over that electorate have so far
> consisted of dossiers full of lies. The one plagiarised from the 12 year
> old student thesis was particularly telling. Everything I've seen so far
> is just about trying to justify the "do what Bush wants" philosophy.
>
> Mike.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] More Microsoft patents
> From: Mike Brodbelt <mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk>
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Date: 15 Feb 2003 17:07:17 +0000
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 11:56, Tethys wrote:
> >
> > least). Making fonts programs was a deliberate design decision by Adobe
> > to provide font foundries with stronger copyright protection than they
> > would otherwise have had from just outline data.
>
> Yes, but IMO it was a deliberate attempt to suborn the copyright
> statutes. The intent of the law as regards typefaces was clear. By
> ensuring that the fonts were "programs" Adobe manged to find a way in
> which they could subvert the intent of the law. At the end of the day,
> it would have been trivial (and probably more logical) for the
> executable code to reside in the font renderer, not in the fonts
> themselves.
>
> > But aside from that, the fact that they're programs gives you extra
> > flexibility that wouldn't be available with pure outline data.
>
> They could have embedded hinting data that was more than pure outline
> data into the fonts while still leaving the executable portions of the
> system in the renderer.
>
> Mike.
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:13:46 +0000
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] Handing out flyers this Saturday for the  Installfest
.
> From: David Pashley <david at parguild.co.uk>
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
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> Mike Brodbelt said, and I quote:
> > On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 13:00, Richard Cottrill wrote:
> > >=20
> > > <snip>
> > >=20
> > > > I'd have no problem with handing out flyers at an anti-war=20
> > > > rally to do with=20
> > > > our Linux install-fest provided I felt that most of us saw=20
> > > > Linux as being=20
> > > > part of a huge philosophy to change the way the world works.
> > >=20
> > > Some of us do see Linux in that light; I believe (read: not positive
du=
> e to
> > > flakey memory) RMS has the stated intention of changing the world.
> >=20
> > RMS probably would disagree with the war, but he has stated that though
> > he would like to change the world in lots of ways, FSF and GNU is his
> > way of trying to make a difference in the bit that he regards as his
> > personal sphere.
> >=20
> > > Personally, I just think the war is obscene. I could go further here;
b=
> ut
> > > I'll spare it for tomorrow.
> >=20
> > Actually, what I find most obscene is that our government is going to
> > send British troops to war over the objections of the electorate they
> > purport to represent. Attempts to win over that electorate have so far
> > consisted of dossiers full of lies. The one plagiarised from the 12 year
> > old student thesis was particularly telling. Everything I've seen so far
> > is just about trying to justify the "do what Bush wants" philosophy.
> >=20
> > Mike.
> >=20
> There was a line on Channel 4 news last night:
>
> "Hans Blix questioned America's intelligence"
>
> --=20
> David Pashley
> david at davidpashley.com
> Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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> Message: 4
> From: rich at annexia.org
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:48:56 +0000
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Linux question - core dumps
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
>
> Sorry to post an off-topic question to this political discussion group ...
>
> I have a server which is running as 'nobody' (actually it starts running
> as root and setuid/setgids to this user). It is running in a directory
> called /tmp/cores/ which is 0755, chowned to nobody.nogroup. I've also
> called 'ulimit -c unlimited'. Despite this, the server refuses to dump
> core if it crashes. This is really annoying because it makes it very
> hard to debug the server (it crashes about once every 5 days).
>
> Any ideas how to force it to dump core???
>
> Rich.
>
> --
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> To: <gllug at linux.co.uk>
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 03 18:56:36 GMT
> Subject: [Gllug] All Computer Users *NEED* Protection from Viruses
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> Message: 6
> From: "George F. Saxby" <george at gogointernet.co.uk>
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] [OT] Linux question - core dumps
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 01:25:54 +0000
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> Hi,
>  Mine will dump in the roots home directory every time I have never ever
told
> it to it just does on a crash this is a LINUX box I am talking about so
the
> human memory is iffy had 2 crashes in 5 years and the last was 4 years
ago.
> Now if it was XP I could tell you more mine crashes about twice a dAY:-[
> Sorry the powers think it is better & more productive than siome free give
> away program LoL
>
>
>
>
> n Saturday 15 February 2003 11:48 pm, you wrote:
> > Sorry to post an off-topic question to this political discussion group
...
> >
> > I have a server which is running as 'nobody' (actually it starts running
> > as root and setuid/setgids to this user). It is running in a directory
> > called /tmp/cores/ which is 0755, chowned to nobody.nogroup. I've also
> > called 'ulimit -c unlimited'. Despite this, the server refuses to dump
> > core if it crashes. This is really annoying because it makes it very
> > hard to debug the server (it crashes about once every 5 days).
> >
> > Any ideas how to force it to dump core???
> >
> > Rich.
>
> --
> Bandiera tuxa trionfera,
> Evviva il penguin e la liberta
> www.saltmine.org.uk
>
>                George F. Saxby
>
>
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> Message: 7
> From: Mike Brodbelt <mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk>
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Date: 16 Feb 2003 02:35:49 +0000
> Subject: [Gllug] Free Book
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
>
> Free to the first taker - one copy of the O'Reilly sendmail book (bat
> book), 2nd edition. Going begging to a good home since my copy of the
> third edition arrived.
>
> Mike.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] Free Book
> From: Mike Brodbelt <mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk>
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Date: 16 Feb 2003 03:38:32 +0000
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> On Sun, 2003-02-16 at 02:35, Mike Brodbelt wrote:
> >
> > Free to the first taker - one copy of the O'Reilly sendmail book (bat
> > book), 2nd edition. Going begging to a good home since my copy of the
> > third edition arrived.
>
>
> This has now been taken....
>
> Mike.
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] [OT] Linux question - core dumps
> From: Walid Shaari <Walid at melinux.com>
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Organization:
> Date: 16 Feb 2003 10:59:46 +0000
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 23:48, rich at annexia.org wrote:
> > Sorry to post an off-topic question to this political discussion group
...
> >
> > I have a server which is running as 'nobody' (actually it starts running
> > as root and setuid/setgids to this user). It is running in a directory
> > called /tmp/cores/ which is 0755, chowned to nobody.nogroup. I've also
> > called 'ulimit -c unlimited'. Despite this, the server refuses to dump
> > core if it crashes. This is really annoying because it makes it very
> > hard to debug the server (it crashes about once every 5 days).
> >
> > Any ideas how to force it to dump core???
> Hi Rich,
>
> I have done a search in Google groups and it comes back with somehow
> similar questions many times for example :
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5AE22C73
>
> Walid.
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] [OT] Linux question - core dumps
> From: Walid Shaari <Walid at melinux.com>
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Organization:
> Date: 16 Feb 2003 11:07:18 +0000
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 23:48, rich at annexia.org wrote:
> > Sorry to post an off-topic question to this political discussion group
...
> >
> > I have a server which is running as 'nobody' (actually it starts running
> > as root and setuid/setgids to this user). It is running in a directory
> > called /tmp/cores/ which is 0755, chowned to nobody.nogroup. I've also
> > called 'ulimit -c unlimited'. Despite this, the server refuses to dump
> > core if it crashes. This is really annoying because it makes it very
> > hard to debug the server (it crashes about once every 5 days).
> >
> > Any ideas how to force it to dump core???
> >
> > Rich.
> Sorry for double posting, but from my other post link it recommends
> to not set ulimit -c to unlimited, but set it to 20,000 for example
>
> Walid.
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:47:15 +0000
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> From: Gordon Joly <gordon.joly at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] Why don't we meet up and go together?
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> >I'm bringing my wife and kids to make a day of it. I don't think she'd
> >welcome being diverted to spend geek time.
> >
> >Jason
>
>
> Not attacking anybody (Jason), but I stayed away.
>
> Mainly since I was at home and had a 6pm appointment and was worried about
the travel.
>
> Anyroad, I will not wear my absence as badge... and I hope nobody will
wear their presence in Hyde Park on 2003-02-15 as badge.
>
> Gordo (Old Bailey 1971-08-05 badge only)
>
> --
> Linux User No. 256022///
> http://pobox.com/~gordo/
> gordon.joly at pobox.com///
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