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Matthias Postel
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> 1. casual perl developer(s) needed for easy going no pressure project (Ian Norton)
> 2. Re: Connection to LDAP Server failed! at /srv/www/start/index.pl
> line 45 (Roger Whittaker)
> 3. Re: casual perl developer(s) needed for easy going no pressure project (Matthew King)
> 4. Re: Connection to LDAP Server failed! at /srv/www/start/index.pl
> line 45 (Xander D Harkness)
> 5. Re: casual perl developer(s) needed for easy going no pressure project (Ian Norton)
> 6. Re: Red hat 8 subscription (Tethys)
> 7. Re: RH rpm upgrading (James de Lurker)
> 8. Re: RH rpm upgrading (Doug Winter)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:54:59 +0100
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> From: Ian Norton <bredroll at darkspace.org.uk>
> Subject: [Gllug] casual perl developer(s) needed for easy going no pressure project
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> hiya folks,
>
> for about the last 18 months ive been developing a program called GWIP
> (Gwips Written In Perl, Graphical Web Interface Program) etc,
>
> its essentially a content manager written in perl and has made a small hole for
> itself in a few sites ive developed for in the past, its a GPL program and just
> reached the first pre-releases of 1.0, the early versions of the program were
> really just slightly modified custom changes to previous sites ive developed
> but recently ive been trying to turn it into a more generally capable project,
>
> anyhoo, up until now its been a bit of a one man band thing, ive got some code
> to clean up and some new features to implement (obviously those two are pretty
> much mutually exclusive)
>
> im looking for anyone keen to help me iron out bugs and tell me how bad my code
> is :) on an irregular basis,
>
> if you fancy seeing what gwip/gwi has been running to date pop on over to the
> urls below:-
>
> http://g2002.bash.sh
> http://atari.darkspace.org.uk
> http://www.gotothepub.co.uk
>
> and of course its homepage
>
> http://gwip.sourceforge.net
>
> thanks for reading
>
> bredroll
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:28:42 +0100 (BST)
> From: Roger Whittaker <roger at suse.co.uk>
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] Connection to LDAP Server failed! at /srv/www/start/index.pl
> line 45
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> Have you done the change in the LDAP backend yet:
> http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/rsimai_slox_ldap.html
>
>
> --
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> Roger Whittaker
> SuSE Linux Ltd
> Appleton House
> 139 King Street
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> roger at suse.co.uk
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:44:30 +0100 (BST)
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] casual perl developer(s) needed for easy going no pressure project
> From: "Matthew King" <matthew.king at monnsta.net>
> To: <gllug at linux.co.uk>
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> > im looking for anyone keen to help me iron out bugs and tell me how bad
> > my code is :) on an irregular basis,
>
> Bug number 1:
> The results of your pub search are below
>
> Results : 1 to 1 out of 0 results --
>
>
> Anyway I'm happy to tell you how much your code stinks if you want me to,
> and I tend to do everything on an irregular basis, so it's all good there
> too :)
>
> Matthew
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:22:35 +0100
> From: Xander D Harkness <xander at harkness.co.uk>
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] Connection to LDAP Server failed! at /srv/www/start/index.pl
> line 45
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> Roger Whittaker wrote:
>
> >Have you done the change in the LDAP backend yet:
> >http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/rsimai_slox_ldap.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> No not yet. I am awaiting the arrival of the full product with update
> subscriptions. I really wanted to get everything current before messing
> with it to much.
>
> :-)
>
> Kind regards
> Xander
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:52:13 +0100
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] casual perl developer(s) needed for easy going no pressure project
> From: Ian Norton <bredroll at darkspace.org.uk>
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> I have an excuse for this one ;-)
>
> the maintainer of that site doesnt like applying updates :-) (he is a raq owner
> ;-)
>
> that bug has been dealth with and as you can probably guess was found quite
> fast :-)
>
> On Thu, Jun 05, 2003 at 03:44:30PM +0100, Matthew King wrote:
> > > im looking for anyone keen to help me iron out bugs and tell me how bad
> > > my code is :) on an irregular basis,
> >
> > Bug number 1:
> > The results of your pub search are below
> >
> > Results : 1 to 1 out of 0 results --
> >
> >
> > Anyway I'm happy to tell you how much your code stinks if you want me to,
> > and I tend to do everything on an irregular basis, so it's all good there
> > too :)
> >
> > Matthew
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
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> Subject: Re: [Gllug] Red hat 8 subscription
> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:21:42 +0100
> From: Tethys <tet at accucard.com>
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
>
> "Martin A. Brooks" writes:
>
> >Could you please point me at the RPM that will migrate postgres 7.0 to
> >postgres 7.3 rebuilding any databases appropriately. I'd be very interested
> >in testing it.
>
> No, I can't. Which is of course utterly irrelevant -- it simply means
> that either no one has made one yet, or just that I don't know about it.
>
> Put it another way -- which features do you think dpkg provides that
> allow this type of upgrade which aren't present in rpm?
>
> Tet
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 11:00:12 +0100
> From: James de Lurker <jtl2nospamMUNGIEjump at hotmail.com>
> Organization: Not 'ere Guv ;-)
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] RH rpm upgrading
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
>
> Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:07:34 +0100 Martin A. Brooks wrote:
> > At 16:36 04/06/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >> Rubbish. RPM can do all of that with various combinations of %doc,
> >> %ghost,
> >> and pre- and post-install scripts.
>
> Often impractical where a user might "jump" any number of intermediate
> release stages in the upgrade of an application. It is too expensive to
> consider and program for every eventuality in the spec file.
>
> In the specific case of postgresql, maintaining via rpm can be fraught
> for the unwary. There are comparable complexities for other applications
> maintained via rpm, too. Always use THEIR tools to backup and preserve
> settings before resorting to a "black box" systems approach and expecting
> rpm -Uv to do everything for you. It could (and probably will) end in tears!
>
> For postgresql *always* make sure that you have backed-up the database
> beforehand, using the postgresql tools. Backup other user definitions,
> working directories, etc by usual means. Then uninstall and re-install
> again as rpm -ivh. Restore the database ONLY USING posgresql tools! restore
> other working directories / database user stuff manually. ALways keep
> copies of the defaults before overwriting anything, so you can roll back
> without pain.
>
> Generally rpm -Uv is workable for point releases. But I don't recommend it.
>
>
> An rpm "play safe" feature is that an rpm upgrade rpm -U finding previous
> config files will install the new config files as *.rpmnew
>
> For a security patch this can be dangerous. In one I noticed, there were
> new constants defined in the updated config file; running the system would
> have left those constants in the default state with the new binaries: OFF.
> Always keep reference copies of your config files ( *.conf.nnn )
>
> diff -ay whatever.conf.rpmnew conf.nnn is a neat way of quickly
> identifying the changes to chase up.
>
> locate rpmnew is something I recommend to everyone with older, otherwise
> well maintained RedHat systems ( such as 6.2, 7.x ) How many unresolved
> rpmnew issues do _you_ have? Feedback from affected GLLUGers would be
> interesting!
>
> For postgresql specifically, my systems use the postgresql SRPMS as
> source rather than RedHat's production ones.
>
> 7.3.2 is the last available, AFAIK they have not yet released any SRPMS
> for 7.3.3 :-( SRPMS are under here: ftp://ftp.us.postgresql.org/binary/
>
> If you take the time out to read the postgresql documentation, and have
> had the experience of "upgrading" regularly from 7.0, you'll quickly
> appreciate that there are too many possibilities to program into the
> spec file to guarantee success. If you don't need, or have already backed
> up the existing database (using the postgre tools provided), it is safest
> to uninstall postgresql and then re-install using rpm -ivh
>
>
> > Great, I always like to be proved wrong - it means I've learned something.
>
> Experienced the pain of FUBAR several times using rpm -Uv, blithely
> trusting the spec file to sort everything out automagically. That makes the
> lesson a memorable one.
>
>
> > Could you please point me at the RPM that will migrate postgres 7.0 to
> > postgres 7.3 rebuilding any databases appropriately. I'd be very
> > interested in testing it.
>
> You can't just rpm -Uv or -Fv here.
>
> Sorry to say RTFM for the application's own readme files and other
> documentation, but there is truly no other safe option... Don't take the
> MFI approach, and read this stuff AFTER doing a package "upgrade" and
> losing new components, or breaking old ones.
>
> You'll have "But first..." ringing in your ears for a long time!
>
> --
>
> -- James
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:12:53 +0100
> From: Doug Winter <doug at pigeonhold.com>
> To: gllug at linux.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Gllug] RH rpm upgrading
> Reply-To: gllug at linux.co.uk
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> On Fri 06 Jun James de Lurker wrote:
> > Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:07:34 +0100 Martin A. Brooks wrote:
> > >At 16:36 04/06/2003 +0100, you wrote:
> >=20
> > >>Rubbish. RPM can do all of that with various combinations of %doc,=20
> > >>%ghost,
> > >>and pre- and post-install scripts.
> >=20
> > Often impractical where a user might "jump" any number of intermediate
> > release stages in the upgrade of an application. It is too expensive to
> > consider and program for every eventuality in the spec file.
>
> Debian manage it, for upgrades by two debian releases iirc, and they
> don't even pay their developers :)
>
> doug.
>
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