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[Richard Jones]

On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 10:39:23AM +0000, Harry Mantheakis wrote:
> I am sorry that you had such a negative experience of Java - it is a huge
> language, and some of the OO aspects take a little time to fathom. I teach
> Java, and I know how tricky it can be even for experienced programmers (as
> most of my students are).

Actually the real problems I had with Java were with how noddy a
programming language it is. I mean, where are the closures? Currying?
Type inference? Data matching? Macros? Language-level regexp? Generics
/ safe polymorphism?  etc. etc.

I get really frustrated these days by languages which lack these
basic features ...

Plus Java is just so verbose. I would estimate at least 10 times more
verbose than Perl, and 20 times more verbose than ML / Lisp.

Couple these with the fact that it needed a gig of RAM to do anything
useful, and was so sloooowwwwww, and has this stupid "CLASSPATH" thing
which makes it impossible to get working, and lacks a decent command
line debugger, and the build system ("ant") requires everything
written in XML (stupid decision), and it's non-free, and did I mention
it's slow ....

Argh. Need I say more?

Rich.

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