[Gllug] Debian

[Pete Ryland]

On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:47:30AM +0100, will wrote:
> Tethys wrote:
> >Mike Brodbelt writes:
> >>>Going out of our way to facilitate the errors of other platforms is a 
> >>>mistake.
> >>
> >>Hmmmm. Us cynics among the audience might argue that Gnome is exactly
> >>this, writ large.....
> >
> >
> >Yes, although not as much of an offender as KDE. Which is one of the many
> >reasons why I still use fvwm2.
> 
> So, what exactly do people consider to be the problems with KDE and 
> Gnome and what errors have they replicated from other platforms?  I am 
> not defending them, just curious, no-one seems to have pointed out what 
> exactly they consider to be bad about them.

A quick ps on this system shows:

%MEM    VSZ   RSS COMMAND
 0.2  14408  1024 /usr/bin/gdm-binary -nodaemon
 0.3  15232  1804 /usr/bin/gdm-binary -nodaemon
 0.3   5696  1700 oafd --ac-activate --ior-output-fd=10
 9.0 160816 15692 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -auth /var/gdm/:0.Xauth vt7
 0.7  16608  3624 /usr/bin/gnome-session
 1.4  11616  7396 /usr/libexec/gconfd-2 11
 0.4   6560  2312 /usr/libexec/bonobo-activation-server --ac-activate --ior-output-fd=16
 1.4  13476  7184 /usr/bin/metacity --sm-client-id=default1
 1.1  17620  5760 gnome-settings-daemon --oaf-activate-iid=OAFIID:GNOME_SettingsDaemon --oaf-ior-fd=14
 2.4  22040 12552 gnome-panel --sm-client-id default2
 3.1  27288 15828 /usr/bin/gnome-terminal
 0.1   2000   700 gnome-pty-helper
 1.7  17784  8812 gnome-volume-control
 3.8  37276 19784 nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default3
 1.1  16264  5588 magicdev --sm-client-id default4
 0.7  11344  3828 pam-panel-icon --sm-client-id default0
 2.5  26660 12820 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/rhn-applet-gui --sm-client-id default5
 8.5  64476 43276 /usr/bin/galeon-bin

Now for someone who only uses gnome because it's pretty (well, we all have
our faults), that's quite a lot of memory.  Probably the worst in that list
is nautilus *which I don't even use*!

And as for the developers?  Well, I'm sure they're all very nice
enthusiastic people, but put it this way: only recently I was asked by a
GNOME developer my opinion on whether nautilus should have an option to have
the "Desktop" represent the user's $HOME (as opposed to ~/.Desktop/).  I
worry about the look of astonishment on his face when I said "KEEP OFF MY
%*^#ING ROOT WINDOW!"  I think there's an option to that effect now. :-)

Pete

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