> Also, silly point, but isn't it a 1 in 10000 chance? My pin number could be > 0000 couldn't it? Yep, but it couldn't be 10000, so that's still 1 in 10000 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug