The 'pragmatic rule' regards the silence of the 'h' sounds right to me; but if you speak Estuary English the complexities fall away, since the h is ALWAYS silent (sorry - except of course when pronounced on its own when it becomes haitch for 'arry). Tim -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug