From rich at annexia.org Fri Jun 3 23:14:53 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 00:14:53 +0100 Subject: mobile company changes... (was: Re: [Gllug] o2, web, site, ....) In-Reply-To: <200506032016.39381.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <20050603102146.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <200506032016.39381.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050603231453.GA16241@furbychan.cocan.org> I've found Orange's customer service to be very helpful. I've had two broken handsets replaced within 24 hours, two upgrades which I didn't like returned and refunded with no problem, and general support calls answered well. On the other hand, I await affordable flat-rate data services[*], and our two handsets cost us the best part of a hundred quid a month so I'd expect them to give us good service. Rich. [*] from any supplier, actually ... -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From doug at pigeonhold.com Fri Jun 3 11:15:24 2005 From: doug at pigeonhold.com (Doug Winter) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:15:24 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] o2, web, site, .... In-Reply-To: <20050603105843.GN13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> References: <20050603102146.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42A03383.4030507@pigeonhold.com> <20050603105843.GN13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Message-ID: <42A03BCC.8040404@pigeonhold.com> Alain Williams wrote: > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050523 > CentOS/1.0.4-1.4.1.centos4 Firefox/1.0.4 Odd. I'm running: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050518 Firefox/1.0.4 (Debian package 1.0.4-2) And it doesn't tell me I need to upgrade. I wonder what is going on? doug. -- 6973E2CF: 2C95 66AD 1596 37D2 41FC 609F 76C0 A4EC 6973 E2CF http://adju.st/ -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 18 07:53:09 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 08:53:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] proxy-arp and a vpn In-Reply-To: <1119054440.12652.76.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Sat 18 Jun, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > > > I have an old Compaq laptop with 2 wireless cards, close enough to an > ADSL router for a wireless connection. One wireless card talks to the > router, one to my Thinkpad. Both have the same ip address, and I use > proxy-arp to enable the Thinkpad, which has the address 192.168.2.200, > to reach ADSL router and the internet beyond (obviously, the ADSL router > is doing NAT) > I have a couple of ancient boxes running Debian with the bridge utils package. One has two, the other three, network cards, all in promiscuous mode, with IP tables filtering. The bridge utils package sets up an invisible bridge with no visible IP address for the bridged FORWARD traffic, while access to the box itself requires knowledge of the bridge IP address, and can be restricted to just one or two boxes to allow limited admin access. IP tables standard rules affect the FORWARD traffic between the interfaces, while INPUT and OUTPUT control access to the local system in each box. My two boxes work independently, controlling traffic on two different connections, but I can control both from my local keyboard. I am still adjusting the settings, but they are obviously working well. You specify the rules to determine which external boxes are allowed to connect to which network interfaces on which boxes, and whether they should have permissions for INPUT, FORWARD, or OUTPUT connections. Wireless working may introduce additional complications as the links may switch wireless frequencies at any time, possibly affected by other wireless networks in the area. -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Fri Jun 10 17:17:55 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:17:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: <200506101336.j5ADadxG028698@isengard.accucard.com> References: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> <200506101336.j5ADadxG028698@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: <20050610171755.GA6314@furbychan.cocan.org> On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 02:36:39PM +0100, Tethys wrote: > > Ashley Evans writes: > > >Google returns a myriad of companies. Anybody with positive first hand > >experience ? > > Nope. Every time I've been in that situation, the owner of the data has > always decided that they'd rather lose it than pay for recovery. It's > *very* expensive. Does anyone have any figures on exactly how expensive? FWIW I spent last weekend recovering a 40GB FAT-format hard drive by hand for a friend who had somehow managed to (or Windoze had managed to) write data from another disk over the start. FAT1 was completely lost. About 30% of FAT2 was also lost. I wrote a bunch of programs which used heuristics to locate directories, rebuild the tree (using the remains of the FAT where appropriate), and recover the files. I'm not going to charge my friend - although I have given him stern warnings about this being the once and only time and to buy a USB disk for backups. But how much *would* that sort of work cost? Maybe I should have a sideline ... Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pjoanes at hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 10:24:20 2005 From: pjoanes at hotmail.com (Peter Joanes) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:24:20 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] port forwarding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Friday 24 June 2005 11:10, t.clarke wrote: > When I tried it, it looked very much as if the incoming packets were > being directed to the webserver box but the replies were going nowhere. Does the webserver have the debian machine set as its default gateway? This is necessary beacause the forwarded connections must pass back through the debian box. One way to achieve this is by rewriting the source addresses as well, with an SNAT rule, although this will reduce the usefulness of your webserver logs. > In the meantime I am using an almighty kludge of a small 'c' program > listening on port 80 the ADSLdebian machine and then sending them on to the > other machine and then passing the replies back. Another way to do this, that can be quite quickly put in place, is to run Apache with a virtual host configuration that acts as a reverse proxy (using Rewrite rules). - Pete. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jon at pecorous.co.uk Thu Jun 30 09:39:42 2005 From: jon at pecorous.co.uk (Jon Dye) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:39:42 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Authentication in apache2 against a Windows domain Message-ID: <42C3BDDE.1060707@pecorous.co.uk> Hi, Does anyone know if it is possible to setup apache to authenticate users against a Windows domain controller? We have a Windows network here at work and we have a linux machine running apache that we want to put in our DMZ for access by employees externally. We'd like to only allow access to authenticated users over https but we'd rather not keep a separate set of usernames and passwords on the box because we can't sync them with the domain controller. One thought I had was using apache against PAM and then using PAM to authenticate using Samba against the domain controller but I have very limited knowledge of PAM and don't know how easy this is. Any ideas appreciated. JD -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From addw at phcomp.co.uk Wed Jun 1 13:17:48 2005 From: addw at phcomp.co.uk (Alain Williams) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:17:48 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Graduates paying for IT training before employment In-Reply-To: References: <2899.82.32.42.43.1117573230.squirrel@webmail.pasty.org.uk> <20050601065457.GJ13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <429DAE43.1010604@drake.org.uk> Message-ID: <20050601131748.GQ13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:08:04PM +0100, Steve Nelson wrote: > > I reckon I must have spent a fortune on training myself through books > > over the past ten years and buying/hiring equipment and software and > > teaching myself to use it. But I think it's been worth it. > > I think you raise a very intersting point. For the cost of a > 'professional course' one could set up a lab with some test kit and > allow people to learn by doing. This is especially valuable in an > environment such as mine where most of the machines I admin are in a > production environment and aren't really the sort of systems on which > you can learn by trial and error. Depends on what you are learning. Training is often best the intro stuff where you don't really know what you are doing when trying to write your first C/php/... programs or login to Linux and use vim/emacs for the first time. Once you are past that stage then self study works. I always assert that the most difficult program to write is 'hello world', because by the time that you know how to do that you know how to: use an editor, compile the program and run it. OK: slight exaggeration, but the learning slope is steepest at the start. -- Alain Williams Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Linux Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 #include -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't think they're quite *that* bad yet --- and they're not terribly good at concealing it, either. They just bullshit their way past it (i.e. engage in corruption and then call it a fait accompli). The Bush administration does the same thing on a vastly larger scale. -- `I lost interest in "blade servers" when I found they didn't throw knives at people who weren't supposed to be in your machine room.' --- Anthony de Boer -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From doug at pigeonhold.com Thu Jun 9 13:15:52 2005 From: doug at pigeonhold.com (Doug Winter) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:15:52 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Invoicing software? In-Reply-To: <57a93597050609051551f952f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <57a93597050609051551f952f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A84108.7060805@pigeonhold.com> Mamading Ceesay wrote: > In the past, I have used phpOrganisation for doing things like > invoicing on Linux. I'm wondering what else people are using for > generating invoices (besides the plain old fashioned text editor/word > processor/email client route). I use SQL-Ledger. Quite pleased with it, although it took probably a day to get going properly. You need the manual. Cheers, Doug. -- 6973E2CF: 2C95 66AD 1596 37D2 41FC 609F 76C0 A4EC 6973 E2CF http://adju.st/ -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From skimble04 at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 21:09:01 2005 From: skimble04 at gmail.com (Sharon Kimble) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:09:01 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Re: ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050627200016.GB15794@shapero.com> References: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <20050627200016.GB15794@shapero.com> Message-ID: <200506272209.01131.skimble04@gmail.com> On Monday 27 Jun 2005 21:00, Craig Millar wrote: > On 25/06/05 20:44 +0100, Jason Clifford wrote: > > UKFSN can offer a 2Mb line for ?19.99 / month which includes 30GB of > > daytime (8am - 10pm) bandwidth and 300GB of evening and weekend bandwidth > > and a single static IP address. > > I find this a very attractive offer, but am not sure if I exceed the > bandwidth monthly. Anyone have any recommendations for measuring these > things, both in and out, and preferably with the ability to graph the data > so that I can work out how much I use during daytime and other times? > I'm currently using bmon to monitor my downloads which works okay until you close down [be it power cut or whatever] and also using ./ifconfig from a shell script via roots cron to write its output to a text file. The results are then written down by hand once a day into a spreadsheet which then shows me how close I'm getting to my 30gig max with tiscali. It all seems rather long-winded but it works for me. Sharon. -- 22:03:44 up 8 days, 5:56, 1 user, load average: 1.95, 2.70, 2.72 A taste of linux http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste/index.html efever http://www.efever.blogspot.com/ Fedora Core 4, KDE 3.4.1-1.2, OpenOffice 1.9.104 Registered Linux user 334501 Now accepting personal mail for gmail invites -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From joel at fysh.org Thu Jun 9 14:14:43 2005 From: joel at fysh.org (Joel Bernstein) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:14:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 03:11:03PM +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > Ashley Evans wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I'm asking here because I'm sure more than a few of you have moved > >from Exchange to Postfix, or other Linux mailserver. > > > >Migrated from MS mailserver, still using outlook* at a client. > >some people are having their outgoing messages blocked by addresses > >with square brackets, I'm familiar with using <> in email addresses > >but not []. > >* not for long!!! > > > >Cheers, > >Ashley > > > Sorry guys. > > The addresses are in the form: > > Ashley Evans [ hoshy at hoshy.co.uk ] That's not a valid form for an RFC2822 address. It should be: "Firstname Surname" or simply . No mail server that I can think of would accept RCPT TO: Ashley Evans [ hoshy at hoshy.co.uk ] It's just wrong. > I would expect <> to be used. Is this an outlook thing is one question. I've not seen it before. What are you running for your SMTP server? > Mainly I'd like to know the arguments for and against getting postfix to > accept addresses like this. If that's even possible. I don't run Postfix, but in any event there are 2 very good reasons not to: 1) address@[1.2.3.4] is a valid form for an archaic addressing method called "IP literal" and is usually blocked these days, so you're roughly emulating a totally different system - it's assumed that a host component of an email address containing [] will be an IP literal. 2) it's just plain WRONG. Take a step back. What are you trying to achieve, and what software [client and server] are you using to do it? Are the mails addressed in that weird way coming straight out of Outlook? Does Outlook actually try to use them in a RCPT TO command?! /joel -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Thu Jun 16 15:19:29 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:19:29 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] to-do list manager tui or gui for debian In-Reply-To: <20050616142040.GA16505@createservices.com> (Pete Ryland's message of "Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:20:41 +0100") References: <20050616122308.GF14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> <20050616142040.GA16505@createservices.com> Message-ID: Pete Ryland writes: > Perhaps try trac: > > http://www.edgewall.com/trac/ Ooh! looks groovy. By the way: there's a Todo manager package for Emacs. I used it until I had so many to-do's in it that I couldn't face opening it any more... It's in the emacs-goodies-el package, which you Should Have Installed if you're using Emacs. cheers, Rich, -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From Rob.Bannocks at ucl.ac.uk Tue Jun 21 13:51:37 2005 From: Rob.Bannocks at ucl.ac.uk (Robert Bannocks) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:51:37 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] MP3-CDs Message-ID: <42B81B69.8060106@ucl.ac.uk> Hi all, Can anyone tell me how I burn and MP3-CD under linix. By MP3-CD mean a CD-R disk with a format that works in my new portable CD payer which supports "MP3 Playback" (from a CD disk). Quite a bit of googling has just confused me. Most sites seem to suggest converting the MP3s into a standard audio CD. This is not what I want as the MP3 play back seems to support mutiple albums on one physical CD. TIA RB -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Tue Jun 7 22:51:12 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:51:12 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <42A5B742.2080907@hinterlands.org> (Martin A. Brooks's message of "Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:03:30 +0100") References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> <871x7e6y9e.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <42A5B670.8090001@hinterlands.org> <42A5B742.2080907@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: <87slzt4w7z.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005, Martin A. Brooks said: > Martin A. Brooks wrote: > >> The sign on the next building along says "God's Expedition" > > Gods, not God's. Well, nobody knows how to use apostrophes anyway. ;P -- `It's as bizarre an intrusion as, I don't know, the hobbits coming home to find that the Shire has been taken over by gangsta rappers.' -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 28 10:30:32 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:30:32 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Samba 2 co-existance with AD In-Reply-To: <000c01c57bc9$fc7adb00$190010ac@kensmw2kp> Message-ID: On Tue 28 Jun, Ken Smith wrote: > > Hi - I hope you can help with a question about Samba 2. I'm supporting a > config where there is an old Samba 2 (RH 7) system which has been running > fine for years. Recently the original NT4 DC has been migrated to a W2K3 > machine and the NT4 box retired. > > Now there are problems with XP SP2 machines unable to map shares. The shares > were mapped by IP address so nmb/wins issues shouldn?t be a problem. > > I recall there being some changes to the password authentication > methods/algorithms from NT4 to AD and I think port 445 began to be used > rather than 13*. > > So the basic question - can an XP SP2 machine, which is otherwise part of an > AD domain, map a share from a machine that would look as if it were share an > NT4 machine that is not in the AD domain? > My only experiences with XP SP2 boxes showed that they throw up firewall messages whenever you try to do anything, and you then have to instruct the firewall to enable it. -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Thu Jun 30 10:28:24 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:28:24 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Authentication in apache2 against a Windows domain In-Reply-To: <20050630095130.GM31427@fysh.org> References: <42C3BDDE.1060707@pecorous.co.uk> <20050630095130.GM31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: <20050630102824.GA12923@xiao.rsnet> On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 10:51:30AM +0100, Joel Bernstein wrote: > AuthLDAPBindDN \"CN=yourserviceacct,OU=yourOU,DC=ad,DC=uiuc,DC=edu\" > AuthLDAPBindPassword yoursecretpassword Gross and evil hack! Also, this means you need an extra Windows CAL just for Apache! It is better to attempt to bind to the LDAP tree using the credentials supplied by the user. Far cleaner and more secure IMHO. However, I'm not sure if the Apache LDAP auth modules let you do this. I wrote a JAAS LoginModule for use with Jetty which does, though :) http://siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/software/jaas-jldap/ massive disclaimer - I make no pretences that it is secure. I haven't been through the code with a fine-toothed comb, and there are probably corner cases which lead to it being exploitable. It's basically got as far as the "phew, it works" state. -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From bluedragon at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Jun 26 20:29:39 2005 From: bluedragon at blueyonder.co.uk (Peter Childs) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:29:39 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <1119782421.2465.8.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <81bc82db050626031520f526b4@mail.gmail.com> <1119782421.2465.8.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> Message-ID: <42BF1033.3040201@blueyonder.co.uk> John Winters wrote: >On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 11:15 +0100, Liam Smit wrote: > > >>I've worked in a call centre and it is standard procedure to only give >>first names. >> >> > >True, however the fact that it is common practice doesn't in any way >excuse it. > > > >> I believe it was for security purposes, >> >> > >This is a common reason given, although it is a blatant lie. The real >reason is to prevent you (the customer) from being able to follow up >something when they balls it up yet again. > > > Not completly true Call centers often will use first names and somtimes they are not in fact the persons actual first more like a handle like people oftern use on the web. It does not mean you can't escalate the call as you can always quote the first name and they ought to know who it is in fact anayway. Its quite common for Sam to be so more complicated asian or foreign name that no brit could remeber anyway! >Some organisations (e.g. Demon) even make up fictitious individuals to >sign letters. So you'll get a letter signed (or rather, not signed - >just a printed name and no signature) by "Able Baker Charlie - Senior >Customer Services Representative", but if you write back to Able Baker >Charlie pointing out he hasn't addressed your query you will never get a >reply and if you phone, at any hour of the day or night, he is always in >a meeting. > > But of course we all get junk mail and need to guard against it some how however, They should at least own up to who Able Baker Carlie is and be able to direct the matter to the correct group of people. >Common practice these may be, but they are utterly inexecusable. >Boycott any organisation which uses them - the message is they regard >you as shit and will treat you as such. > >John > > > Bocotting this practice could mean you are boycotting everyone. Its could also be sean as racisit and get you in trouble for different reasons. Silly I know but for all you know the Seinior Customer Services Representative really is called Able and yes he probably is far too busy to talk to you and is letting one of his depraties hadle the problem, Or hes not on shift or somthing They may tell you some silly reasons but nobody is aloud to work 24x7. Peter -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Sun Jun 12 22:36:25 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:36:25 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki In-Reply-To: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <42ACB8E9.4050207@hinterlands.org> Adrian McMenamin wrote: > Thinking in terms of users ease of use and installers' programmatic > power which is the best IYNSHO? You've answered your own question: the wiki that suits your needs best is the best one for you :) > I have installed php-wiki a few times now, but really like the look of > this (Phython-based) one: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ (as used here > for a nicer front end: http://www.linux-sh.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi). moinmoin works for me. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From phil at tinsleyviaduct.com Tue Jun 14 07:21:20 2005 From: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com (Phil Reynolds) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:21:20 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Sound recording - distortion Message-ID: <20050614072120.GA10779@tinsleyviaduct.com> Is distortion a common problem when recording sound using a VIA 8237-based motherboard? I am finding it so but was wondering if there was a known good way to fix it. Would I be better off fitting my old SB PCI128 for sound recording? -- Phil Reynolds o ____ mail: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com |L_ \ / Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ (_)- \/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Tue Jun 7 16:21:14 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:21:14 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: <1118161013.3867.10.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> <1118161013.3867.10.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050607162114.GE29584@rumble.net> This one time, at band camp, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > > You'd need: > > * no swap partition > > For speed reasons only I assume See below > > * /tmp, /var/tmp/ and probably a few others on ramdisks. > > Why? CF is cheaper than memory. When the CF chip wears out throw it > away :) Yes but you'll be throwing it out mighty often if you put swap, /tmp and other regularly accessed bits of the filesystem on flash. Flash has a finite number of write cycles. When you're writing photos to a CF card from a camera, you're talking years and years. If you use it for stuff like swap and /tmp, you'd wear it out very very quickly. -- Rev Simon Rumble www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Geeks need vacations too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ "If we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom." - Samuel Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can anyone tell me how to do > it please? add the lines between the ----- to /etc/hotplug/blacklist ------ # causes no end of confusion by creating unexpected network interfaces eth1394 ------ (at least, this is the lines ubuntu has that stop the annoying eth0 being a firewire device problem) Adam -- jabberid = quinophex at jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From fly at anydata.co.uk Thu Jun 2 11:30:18 2005 From: fly at anydata.co.uk (Fred L Youhanaie) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:30:18 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] He doesn't give up... In-Reply-To: <1845.155.198.181.3.1117710830.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> References: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> <429EEAB9.6030108@pauken.co.uk> <1845.155.198.181.3.1117710830.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> Message-ID: <429EEDCA.8000206@anydata.co.uk> John Hearns wrote: > Stephen, its THURSDAY. > They put my best straitjacket on this morning, > and the nice nurses are coming wound with the thorazine soon. I think this should be in the FAQ ;-) -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Tue Jun 14 15:30:22 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:30:22 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Network upgrades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118763022.6077.37.camel@Vigor12> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 16:13 +0100, Ian Lewis wrote: > Hi, > > We're just starting a network upgrade as our kit is ancient and our backups > aren't worth the tape they are written on. The upgrade path will involve the > use of Network Attached Storage which we have no experience of here. > I agree with what Rich says. If budget is important to you, you can build your own http://www.openfiler.org/ There is a commercially supported version, with hardware. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 9 11:02:20 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:02:20 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Dell Poweredge 4200 In-Reply-To: <1118314289.2118.1.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> References: <1118313037.3902.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> <1118314289.2118.1.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> Message-ID: <1118314940.3902.21.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 11:51 +0100, Huw Lynes wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 11:30, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > > But I have a problem. The box has two SCSI cards and 4 HDs (all the HDs > > are on the first card, the second runs the CD and tape - no HDs are set > > up as RAID) in it and doesn't want to seem to boot from /dev/sda1 (which > > is identified as C: by the SCSI BIOS) - where I have installed > > knoppix/Debian. > > when you say it won't boot, how far does it get? > Well it will boot the Knoppix CD, but not from the HD - it simply stops after it has been through the SCSI initialisation. But now you come to mention it, it does post up some message about the disks being wiped by some IBM porgram - I wonder if I should do a low level format and try again? -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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While I don't feel it's my place to go into details (and secondhand ones at that) on the list, I will say that I'm very sorry to see them go, and wish Ged all the best with whatever comes next for him. Mike. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Mon Jun 6 11:25:19 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:25:19 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Distribution Lists In-Reply-To: <42A430DA.9070505@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42A430DA.9070505@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050606112518.GA20742@xiao.rsnet> On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 12:17:46PM +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking into simple methods to create distrbution lists that don't > require subscriptions and will only accept mail from internal addresses. > > I was going to use simple aliases but that would be open to external > mis-use. Mailman seems like an overkill. > > Any ideas of something to do the job, or even how to make postfix only > accept mail for list1 at example.com from internal hosts? Postfix can look up aliases via LDAP. No, I've never set it up :) -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Thu Jun 16 17:44:33 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:44:33 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Find non-7-bit characters in files In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:30:45 BST." Message-ID: <200506161744.j5GHiXvF004700@isengard.accucard.com> Rich Walker writes: >grep -E [`echo -ne "\200"`-`echo -ne "\377"`] * Right idea, wrong range. That excludes valid UTF-8 characters. I assume the original request was to be able to find MS moronic HTML[1]. Thus: egrep [$(echo -ne '\200-\240')] Tet [1] http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/ -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon.wiehe at csfb.com Tue Jun 28 10:36:24 2005 From: simon.wiehe at csfb.com (Wiehe, Simon) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:36:24 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Re: ADSL upload speeds Message-ID: <92CA923AAE010949A3A58BF744E5678501BB4A71@elon11p32003.csfp.co.uk> > Anyone have any recommendations for measuring these > things, both in and out, and preferably with the ability to graph the data so > that I can work out how much I use during daytime and other times? I used ntop. Simon ============================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml ============================================================================== -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mike.leigh at hornbill.com Wed Jun 15 13:38:22 2005 From: mike.leigh at hornbill.com (Mike Leigh) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:38:22 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mirroring a local dir to ftp (curl?) Message-ID: <1B70CC9B5A120A4881CF4070B6E05EF632CF22@hslukmail.uk.hornbill.com> > ftp-upload looks quite good but didn't seem to do recursive > uploads of directory trees. > > ncftpput saved the day in the end. Just thougt I would add my thoughts to this. What about wget. You may have to do it the other way around though but my understanding is that wget is the sort of tool for recursive file grabbing. Did I miss something with your original question that means wget is a non starter for you ? Mike -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sarah at thaum.net Sun Jun 12 00:10:34 2005 From: sarah at thaum.net (Sarah Ewen) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:10:34 -0400 Subject: [Gllug] He doesn't give up... In-Reply-To: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> References: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> Message-ID: <20050612001034.GB5716@hikey.org> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 11:52:54AM +0100, John Hearns wrote: > He doesn't give up, does he? > "It seems not too many hackers are deveopping large-scale national > security systems on their kitchen tables." Sometimes it pays to rant John! You prompted me to send a brief mail the Guardian's way (though I never ever read the Guardian, I agreed with you) and Stephen Rank from Lincoln has just sent me an "is this you?" mail; it was posted on their feedback page (not that I knew that). http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/feedback/0,12442,793948,00.html I might have packed a few facts into it instead of just venting if I'd thought it'd be published..but hey, at least they do read the coments, it seems. Thought it was worth mentioning, Sarah. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mamading at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 10:05:47 2005 From: mamading at gmail.com (Mamading Ceesay) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:05:47 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] PEAP-MSCHAPv2 and Draytek Vigor 2600VG Message-ID: <57a9359705062803052287f81e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, A quick question, does anybody have PEAP-MSCHAPv2 working with a Draytek Vigor 2600 series router as an Authenticator and FreeRADIUS as an Authentication Server? I happen to be using XSupplicant on the Supplicant and I'm not getting past the EAPoL Request Authentication stage. -- Mamading Ceesay "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." -- R. Buckminster Fuller -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mintywalker at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 09:52:59 2005 From: mintywalker at gmail.com (Minty) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:52:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Re: spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <20050602040732.GA698@shapero.com> References: <20050531235258.GA20742@shapero.com> <1117614137.31103.2.camel@blackbox.shiplake.org.uk> <20050602040732.GA698@shapero.com> Message-ID: > I subscribe to a couple of high volume mailing lists are the mailing lists already filtered up-stream? 'cause if so, you could instruct procmail to not spamfilter those....? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From huw-l at moving-picture.com Wed Jun 8 11:53:40 2005 From: huw-l at moving-picture.com (Huw Lynes) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:53:40 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: <20050608113846.GD9700@phaistos.bruce> References: <1118229618.10299.10.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> <20050608113846.GD9700@phaistos.bruce> Message-ID: <1118231620.10303.14.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 12:38, Bruce Richardson wrote: > > That's not enough even for change tracking, let alone change management. > Using a revision control system to track /etc, for example, allows > sysadmins a) to check whether the machine they are working on is in a > consitent, approved state, b) to roll back to a previous state if > they've messed something up and c) having made successful changes, to > check in the new consistent state, adding in comments to explain what > has been done. In a production environment, you might make the changes > to a test system, check the changes in and then use the rcs tool to pull > them down to the live servers. I quite agree. But with the example of who installed what versions where you need to tracking more than just the changes in /etc. I wasn't saying you don't need to track changes in config I was saying you need to be tracking changes in configuration and changes in app versions. Huw -- | Huw Lynes | The Moving Picture Company | | System Administrator | 127 Wardour Street | |.........................| London, W1F 0NL | -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From aaron.trevena at gmail.com Mon Jun 20 10:11:17 2005 From: aaron.trevena at gmail.com (Aaron Trevena) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:11:17 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Planet GLLUG? In-Reply-To: <20050620094652.GM6728@rumble.net> References: <20050617143857.GX5322@rumble.net> <42B34E4D.4010805@black1.org.uk> <20050620094437.GC6728@rumble.net> <20050620094652.GM6728@rumble.net> Message-ID: On 6/20/05, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > > > to get to know people as rounded individuals. > ^^^^^^^ > Hmmm, that could be taken either way really... I know some GLLUG and Perl Mongers are round individuals, comes from drinking all that real ale and not exersizing enough. A. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adam at thebowery.co.uk Mon Jun 27 12:17:07 2005 From: adam at thebowery.co.uk (Adam Bower) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:17:07 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <200506271239.32997.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> References: <200506271131.j5RBVCjB028682@isengard.accucard.com> <200506271239.32997.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> Message-ID: <20050627121707.GN29374@thebowery.co.uk> On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 12:39:32PM +0100, Caparo wrote: > You mean to say that the service is SO BAD that tech support live in fear of > their lives, is there a new crime surfing rage now? I once had a nutcase phone me up demanding support, this was when I was working somewhere as both *the* sys-admin and support guy (was a small company) if you phoned up you got to speak to me and that was it, the only other possibility was that you could speak to the contractor we got in to cover when I was on holiday etc. but he hadn't been in for the previous 3 months. Anyhow, this nutcase gave me plenty of verbal because he claimed he had spoken to "Bob" about his technical problem last week, and that "Bob" had promised he would have fixed it by now yadda yadda but he hadn't. He then told me that I was lying when I said we didn't have anyone called "Bob" working for us and that somebody in the technial dept. must have lied to him when giving him a name to get out of fixing his problem. He then accused me of lying and being antagonistic and told me that he was going to complain about me to my boss and get me sacked (and he was also going to get Bob sacked) because we were incompetant and didn't know what we were talking about. He then threatened me with violence as apparently I was "being a smartarse" when I explained to him how big the technical dept. was and that he must have been mistaken. Anyhow, I'm not the kind of person who ever feel intimidated by people threatening violence, especially over the phone, but I can certainly understand companies giving people psuedonyms and assumed names given how threatening he was being. If you were working for a bigger company I can imagine that you will find plenty more nutters phoning you up. Oh, and it turned out that the reason for his technical problem was that he had never paid any of his bills, and even after he had been phoned and had letters written to him many months earlier we had pulled the plug on him 6 months prior to his phone call. Now I look back on the incident the guy was either a total moron or possibly mentally ill. Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex at jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 9 18:46:13 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:46:13 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Dell Poweredge 4200 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118342773.3902.66.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 18:48 +0100, Chris Bell wrote: > On Thu 09 Jun, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 12:18 +0100, Huw Lynes wrote: > > > On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 12:02, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > > > > Well it will boot the Knoppix CD, but not from the HD - it simply stops > > > > after it has been through the SCSI initialisation. But now you come to > > > > mention it, it does post up some message about the disks being wiped by > > > > some IBM porgram - I wonder if I should do a low level format and try > > > > again? > > > > > > So you are doing an install from the knoppix cd to /dev/sda1 ? > > > > > > Yes using the supplied script - knoppix-installer iirc > > > > > > > > When you reboot you don't get any LILO/GRUB messages? > > > > > > None at all. Doesn't interact with the installation in any way as far as > > I can see. > > > Dell boxes do give problems, but why do you want to install Knoppix > instead of using the new Debian installer to install the now-released > v3.1r0a "Sarge"? There is a new installation manual complete with hints on > dealing with problem hardware. Because I need to get a distro on the thing to get the network installed and the distro I had hanging around was Knoppix. > > > -- > Chris Bell > -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tim at seacon.co.uk Mon Jun 13 14:02:34 2005 From: tim at seacon.co.uk (t.clarke) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:02:34 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [YA-OT] PA-RISC D-Class 9000 In-Reply-To: <42AD909A.3070105@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42AD909A.3070105@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: Re machine not come up correctly:- What does ps -ef say is running ? If nothing critical is running, I would probably unmount all unused filesystems, and use the 'reboot' command ! Tim -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From wayne at micromouse.co.uk Wed Jun 8 11:14:55 2005 From: wayne at micromouse.co.uk (Wayne Allen) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:14:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Email : wayne at fused.org Web : http://www.fused.org/ On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Steve Nelson wrote: > On 6/8/05, Wayne Allen wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > anyone have any experience with change management software? We could > > deploy CVS across all of our servers to track changes of config files > > etc, but we are looking for something a bit more 'wordy'. > > Could you explain what you mean by that? Basically its down to a question of who changed what, when, and why. I have experience of using CVS to manage software projects, and have even used it to manage configs for web servers, but it falls down when it comes to I installed the new version of BIND today in xyz/aaa/com. Management are begining to push for us to be more 'professional' and CMS seems to be ther 'in' thing Wayne > > > needs to run on > > Linux/Solaris, and GNU if possible > > > > Any comments? > > What apart from about top-posting above a seemingly irrelevant thread? > > > Wayne > > S. > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug > -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 21 22:56:41 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:56:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Iptables with bridge In-Reply-To: , <200506212310.45147.pjoanes@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue 21 Jun, Peter Joanes wrote: > > On Tuesday 21 June 2005 20:09, Chris Bell wrote: > > I can ping the box from any external box with ip address nn.nn.nn.nn if > > the INPUT policy is DROP as long as I include the rule > > ... > > # iptables -A INPUT -i br0 -s nn.nn.nn.nn -j ACCEPT > > but not if I specify a restriction on the ethernet interface as in > > # iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s nn.nn.nn.nn -j ACCEPT > > This is because the network interface that the incoming packets 'enter' is br0 > because that is the interface that has the address assigned to it. > The bridging operates at a different level from that of IP addresses, so the > individual ethernet interfaces aren't relevant there (although recent kernels > can filter through traffic with iptables rules). > It's normal for the ethernet interfaces to be shown as 'UP', but they can't be > given IP addresses whilst part of the bridge. Thanks for the info, I am now installing ebtables which appears to do what I need, including INPUT to the box itself. The bridge appears to take the MAC address of just one interface, and that is the interface I wished to use for admin. The only reason the bridge has an IP address is for remote admin, and I was just trying to avoid an attack based on a spoofed IP address hanging on the wrong interface. -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sean at uncertainty.org.uk Mon Jun 13 18:30:59 2005 From: sean at uncertainty.org.uk (Sean Burlington) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:30:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] mysql binary logs In-Reply-To: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> References: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Message-ID: <200506131931.00012.sean@uncertainty.org.uk> On Monday 13 Jun 2005 6:01 pm, Alain Williams wrote: > I am trying, unsucessfully, to do something that should be incredibly > simple. > > I am trying to switch on binary logging in mysql. > The database itself works (queries/selects) -- I just can't get the logging > to appear to do anything. > I was in a similar predicament some time ago, then I realised that the binlog only logs statements that change the database, and I was testing the binlog facility by running select statements. Selects do not get logged, from your comments it appears you may be making the mistake that I made ... I have: [mysqld] (port, socket, buffer size etc) log-bin=/var/log/mysql/mysqlbinlog -- Sean -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tim at seacon.co.uk Thu Jun 30 22:01:09 2005 From: tim at seacon.co.uk (t.clarke) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:01:09 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] GND In-Reply-To: <1120157975.5743.1.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> References: <1120157975.5743.1.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> <17092.7660.590655.863636@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: Sadly my preferred supplier of hardware closed down some months ago. It seems that the box-shifters have won the day. Tim -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Tue Jun 14 17:12:52 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:12:52 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Network upgrades In-Reply-To: <20050614163154.GA8138@xiao.rsnet> (Russell Howe's message of "Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:31:54 +0100") References: <20050614163154.GA8138@xiao.rsnet> Message-ID: "Russell Howe" writes: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 05:08:49PM +0100, Rich Walker wrote: >> (I think it's clear the route I tend to follow. Once you have to pipe >> fdisk -l through more to use it on the console, you're getting there >> :->) > > vga=ask :) Got bitten by "scan" never giving me the console back one too often... cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Mon Jun 13 09:46:23 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:46:23 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Grepping tab-completions In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:25:00 BST." <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200506130946.j5D9kNqw004152@isengard.accucard.com> Tom Schutzer-Weissmann writes: >So what I'd like to do is pipe the names of all the commands >available on my path that begin with 'k' through grep, but haven't a >clue how. > >What's an easy way to search the path like this? No easy way that I can think of. You can manually search your path as others have suggested. Or you can open a large window, start a command with k, double tab to get a list of completions and cut and paste the output, which can be grepped separately. Crude, but it'll work. Or use this somewhat clunky abuse of programmable completion. Think up an arbitrarily named command (here I've used "findcommand"). You then tell bash that when it's completing arguments for that command, to complete with commands (rather than the default filenames) and to exclude anything that doesn't match the specified pattern: complete -X '!k*exec*' -A command findcommand You'd then do: findcommand k to get a list of all commands starting with "k" and containing the string "exec". Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From matt.thompson at actuality.co.uk Mon Jun 27 06:42:54 2005 From: matt.thompson at actuality.co.uk (Matthew Thompson) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:42:54 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <42BF397C.6050100@bullet3.fsnet.co.uk> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <81bc82db050626031520f526b4@mail.gmail.com> <1119782421.2465.8.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <17086.43662.7377.557534@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> <42BF397C.6050100@bullet3.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <5CC62441-D113-4C4F-ADF6-F66E1C933314@actuality.co.uk> On 27 Jun 2005, at 00:25, Robert Newson wrote: > I don't remember that far back, but I do remember it being illegal > (still?) to plug a non BT Approved phone/modem into the BT system - > ie if the device had a Green Triangle it was approved and could be > connected to the BT network; if it had a Red Circle it was not > approved and so couldn't be connected. (I never understood the > point of that as unapproved devices couldn't be connected directly, > or indirectly - was there a way to use them outside the BT system?) It started off as BT then BABT took it over and they're still going at www.babt.com I believe that now the requirement is the CE mark. M at t :o) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Buckminster Fuller -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Fri Jun 10 10:24:01 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:24:01 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Strange memory mapping In-Reply-To: <20050609184304.GA15593@furbychan.cocan.org> (Richard Jones's message of "Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:43:04 +0100") References: <20050609184304.GA15593@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <87u0k6zf0e.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Richard Jones murmured woefully: > > Any idea what this memory mapping is? It appears at the end of all my > process memory maps: > > ffffe000-fffff000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 ldd will show you e.g. linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) [...] Recognise it? It's the vsyscall area, a fake `shared library' exported to all processes by the kernel and filled with suitable instructions to execute each syscall, and with suitable DWARF2 exception-unwinding stuff. It allows applications (in practice, glibc) to call syscalls by means of an ordinary (cross-shared-object) function call, and the fastest available method fo the platform the binary is *running* on will be used, because that `function' is implemented by the kernel. (This is significant because the 686 and above have a means of calling syscalls via SYSENTER which is very much faster than the old INT 80 method.) It's also possible for read-only data which benefits from very high access speeds to be mapped there, e.g. data used by gettimeofday(): but I'm not aware of anything doing so yet. See e.g. linux/arch/i386/kernel/vsyscall* for the implementation on the kernel side. -- `It's as bizarre an intrusion as, I don't know, the hobbits coming home to find that the Shire has been taken over by gangsta rappers.' -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From bredroll at darkspace.org.uk Tue Jun 7 07:57:07 2005 From: bredroll at darkspace.org.uk (Ian Norton) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:57:07 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Web hosting In-Reply-To: <1B70CC9B5A120A4881CF4070B6E05EF632CEFE@hslukmail.uk.hornbill.com> References: <1B70CC9B5A120A4881CF4070B6E05EF632CEFE@hslukmail.uk.hornbill.com> Message-ID: <20050607075707.GA17102@earth.dsh.org.uk> On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 09:22:19AM +0100, Mike Leigh wrote: > Well I have not had a reseller account and before I chose fasthosts I did my > usual Google hunting for bad reviews. I found that most of these bad > reviews were over 2 years old and there was not very much recently. So I > decided to take the plunge and pay for a years dedicated hosting. So far > their support/uptime has been/is better than my existing host. I am still > moving domains/dns entries to fasthosts and from what I have seen first hand > I can honestly praise fasthosts. This is from a dedicated server point of > view as I have not dealt with them for reseller accounts or shared hosting. Best of luck with them mike, I suppose now that they use linux in alot of things that may have required them to actaully hire people with knowledge. :-) -- Ian Norton-Badrul -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Thu Jun 2 18:39:16 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:39:16 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] He doesn't give up... In-Reply-To: <1845.155.198.181.3.1117710830.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> (John Hearns's message of "Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:13:50 +0100 (BST)") References: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> <429EEAB9.6030108@pauken.co.uk> <1845.155.198.181.3.1117710830.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> Message-ID: <87ll5sfvsb.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, John Hearns moaned: > Stephen, its THURSDAY. > They put my best straitjacket on this morning, > and the nice nurses are coming wound with the thorazine soon. LWN doesn't have that effect on *me*. -- `Once again, I must remark on the far-reaching extent of my ladylike nature.' --- Rosie Taylor -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Thu Jun 2 17:24:22 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:24:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <200506021431.46672.mimo@gn.apc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Moritz wrote: > > You are trusting that all other MTAs and MUAs do the "right thing". > > Experience shows that this sometimes is not the case. > > What do you mean? My SMTP server disconnects after the greylist check, the > session is ended. No way the sender can continue sending the mail data as the > tcp session is closed. You are trusting that the other side will promptly retry. That's not a safe assumption on either counts - ie that it will retry at all or that any retries will not be subject to significant delays. While email is not a time guaranteed medium users do have reasonable expectations that there wont be lengthy delays - at least my users do. Jason -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From m.brodbelt at acu.ac.uk Wed Jun 29 22:53:58 2005 From: m.brodbelt at acu.ac.uk (Mike Brodbelt) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:53:58 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Samba 2 co-existance with AD In-Reply-To: <42C127D9.1010301@uk.clara.net> References: <000c01c57bc9$fc7adb00$190010ac@kensmw2kp> <42C127D9.1010301@uk.clara.net> Message-ID: <42C32686.2060808@acu.ac.uk> Anthony Newman wrote: > Ken Smith wrote: > >>Hi - I hope you can help with a question about Samba 2. I'm supporting a >>config where there is an old Samba 2 (RH 7) system which has been running >>fine for years. Recently the original NT4 DC has been migrated to a W2K3 >>machine and the NT4 box retired. >> >>Now there are problems with XP SP2 machines unable to map shares. The shares >>were mapped by IP address so nmb/wins issues shouldn?t be a problem. >> >>I recall there being some changes to the password authentication >>methods/algorithms from NT4 to AD and I think port 445 began to be used >>rather than 13*. > > > It's since Win2k(NT5.0) IIRC that port 445 was used for various things. Port 445 is just SMB over TCP, as opposed to SMB encapsulated in NetBIOS. >>So the basic question - can an XP SP2 machine, which is otherwise part of an >>AD domain, map a share from a machine that would look as if it were share an >>NT4 machine that is not in the AD domain? Yes, I believe so. There are some caveats though. > Password authentication on NT4/Win98 machines was via LANMAN hash I > believe, which was "weak". Later schemes use challenge/response > authentication and stronger encryption. "encrypted passwords = yes" NT4 moved to requiring "encrypted passwords=yes" with service pack 3, IIRR. > should feature in your smb.conf for later machines to be able to connect > to your Samba server, although it seems odd as you'd expect an XP > machine to be able to revert to enable it to share from, say, a Win98 > machine. XP SP2 may require registry changes to connect. Google for "sign or seal secure channel" and you should find some potentially useful information. I've had XP SP2 connecting to Samba 2.2.8 in an NT4 PDC environment (though smbd segfaults with printing in some versions, see samba bug 1147). Samba 3 does not require you to make changes to the client registry, as it supports the secure channel. > There's no reason a domain-attached machine shouldn't be able to connect > to a legacy machine (the other way around is the problem), although > presumably there's some security policy that allows you to forbid it > somehow or other. For an AD domain you may need to upgrade to Samba 3.0. You then join the domain from the Samba box using "net rpc join" (not "net ads join"), and thereafter should have no problems connecting to Samba shares from SP2. HTH, Mike. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Thu Jun 16 09:21:49 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:21:49 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [YA-OT] PA-RISC D-Class 9000 In-Reply-To: <42ADBE83.2086.3EBA121@localhost> References: <42ADBE83.2086.3EBA121@localhost> Message-ID: <42B144AD.7030503@hoshy.co.uk> alan at ibgames.com wrote: >On 13 Jun 2005 at 14:56, Ashley Evans wrote: > >Date sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:56:42 +0100 >From: Ashley Evans >To: Greater London Linux User Group >Subject: [Gllug] [YA-OT] PA-RISC D-Class 9000 >Send reply to: Greater London Linux User Group > > > > > >>Hi, >> >>I'm at a client who's suffered at power failure and it looks like this >>box hasn't come up correctly. Normally I'd walk away from this in a >>client environment but the boss (client) has asked me to "at least give >>it a go" after the usual warnings. Some of the client machine have a >>telnet to what I think is the machine ip. The machine is up however the >>front panel shows "warn". >> >>It seems to be stuck in some kind of text editor. Anybody know how exit >>common editors, does this thing have VTs? I think I could figure out at >>least how to check the network and reboot and look at logs if I could >>make it to a terminal. >> >>Any tid bits would be welcome. >> >>Thanks. >>Ashley >> >> > >I just found this: > >http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/HP-UX-Admin/2003-08/0047.html > >I was right about the combination being obscure! > >alan > > Thanks. I've managed to unlock the keyboard and can navigate the menus etc. Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From liam.smit at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 12:12:02 2005 From: liam.smit at gmail.com (Liam Smit) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:12:02 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: <92CA923AAE010949A3A58BF744E5678501BB4A31@elon11p32003.csfp.co.uk> References: <92CA923AAE010949A3A58BF744E5678501BB4A31@elon11p32003.csfp.co.uk> Message-ID: <81bc82db0506220512597db33d@mail.gmail.com> Interesting, I must remember to continue avoiding fujitsu drives. The guy I know who has done it does have an electronics background and a computer science degree and was working at Stellenbosch University at the time so he probably had access to their labs as well... btw sticking it in a freezer in a plastic bag with the air sucked out of it does actually help sometimes, especially with dodgy electronics. Certain other problems with misaligned platters, stuck heads, etc can be 'cured' by a 1 meter drop onto a carpet (with underfelt) but I don't particularly recommend that option unless all other avenues have been exhausted. All you are doing with any of these 'solutions' is getting to a point where you can copy the data off. Cheers Liam -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From addw at phcomp.co.uk Wed Jun 1 07:09:53 2005 From: addw at phcomp.co.uk (Alain Williams) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:09:53 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] phone memory stick In-Reply-To: <200505312023.37887.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <20050531073121.GC13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <20050531075612.GA11569@furbychan.cocan.org> <20050531084450.GF13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <200505312023.37887.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050601070953.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 08:23:37PM +0100, Christopher Hunter wrote: > On Tuesday 31 May 2005 09:44, Alain Williams wrote: > > > I left the shop after telling the manager that I was not going to buy there > > since his salesmen lied. Phones-4-u I think it was. > > You shouldn't be so hard on clueless sales-droids! They will tell you > ANYTHING to make a sale, as their weekly pay is directly proportional to > their personal turnover. That is exactly WHY we should be hard on these people. Lying to get a sale is theft. Why should we tolerate it ? It isn't OK just because it happens a lot - think car, insurance, pension, ... salesmen. Another way of putting it is that is that it is a con trick. Maybe the moron did not know the answer - but he knew that he did not know and should have said so. There is no excuse. Sorry: dishonesty/lies is something that I really hate. > It gives rise to the stupidities you see in PC World - "You can't return that > faulty CD drive as you probably virussed it" was one I heard recently. > > Chris > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug -- Alain Williams Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. 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Wires? > Am I the only one wanting a 1M upload speed? BT's wholesale ADSL has a 256Kbit/s upload speed restriction. Most ISPs are merely resellers of this (I think it's called IPStream). If you want anything faster, I think your only options will be a 'business' service, or to see if anybody has unbundled your local exchange. Last I checked, even the cable companies seemed to be only 256Kbit/s up. Search for your exchange here, to see lots of interesting information: http://www.samknows.com/broadband/search.php -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Sat Jun 25 19:44:20 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:44:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, Joel Bernstein wrote: > Incidentally, suggestions of anybody else who can provide preferably LLU > DSL in London NW6 accepted gratefully. If nobody else can do it I guess > I'll have to go back to a BT ipstream service - anybody recommend a > reasonably clueful ISP who don't take the piss and can do a 2MB+ circuit > for Bulldog money? UKFSN can offer a 2Mb line for ?19.99 / month which includes 30GB of daytime (8am - 10pm) bandwidth and 300GB of evening and weekend bandwidth and a single static IP address. Options for more bandwidth are available - obviously that costs more. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ 2Mb ADSL Broadband from just ?19.99 / month -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Fri Jun 3 14:07:18 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:07:18 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Nice little class break against all Bluetooth devices Message-ID: <20050603140717.GC15290@furbychan.cocan.org> http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7461 0 to theft of service in 0.06 seconds ... Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From gl.lug at ntlworld.com Tue Jun 28 16:28:18 2005 From: gl.lug at ntlworld.com (Pip) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:28:18 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mail servers on FC4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200506281728.18552.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> On Tuesday 28 Jun 2005 10:26, Chris Bell wrote: > > Try a google search for "dovecot pop3" Of course. And "dovecot exim" and others. > http://www.dovecot.org Including that. > and several other references True, but nothing _specific_. One of the problems, as I've now found out, was that FC4 was being "secure" and not letting Dovecot run (nor putting anthing in the messages log about it). I've now got Dovecot running as a pop server, but it something in the setup isn't talking to something else so that I've no mail to pick up. Part of that is a permissions issue. Part isn't. I was looking to find a "this works" configuration so I could work backwards and find out where I've gone wrong. Sorry if it's wasted your time. Pip -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pg_gllug at gllug.for.sabi.co.UK Tue Jun 21 21:28:08 2005 From: pg_gllug at gllug.for.sabi.co.UK (Peter Grandi) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:28:08 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Iptables with bridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17080.34408.190637.515682@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:09:11 +0100 (BST), Chris Bell >>> said: chrisbell> [ ... ] All interfaces are shown normally as "UP", but they chrisbell> appear to only work as part of the bridge, not as individual chrisbell> interfaces. Is this the expected action? [ ... ] Makes me wonder :-) why 'ebtables' exists: http://ebtables.SourceForge.net/ -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 16 13:50:36 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:50:36 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Connection reset by peer Message-ID: <1118929837.5627.15.camel@localhost> vnc and ssh are pretty much unusable for me, sessions keep breaking with the error "Connection reset by peer". It must be to do with my network setup, but'm having problems pinning it down. One computer connects to an ADSL router, and then acts as a gateway for another network, using NAT. The computer that's directly connected to the router doesn't have problems with ssh or vnc, but it's a headless relic and no use for vnc (which is most useful to me) - it's the computers that use the relic as a gateway that have problems. I've tried using ethereal to hunt down the problem, but don't really know what I'm looking for. Nothing jumped out at me (I was sort of hoping for a great big "connection reset by peer here") Any hints most gratefully received... Tom Weissmann ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From kens at kensnet.org Mon Jun 13 22:04:25 2005 From: kens at kensnet.org (Ken Smith) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:04:25 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Failed MB BIOS Upgrade Message-ID: <001101c57063$dccf8d30$190010ac@kensmw2kp> Talking of FUBAR?d things ? are there any motherboard guru?s here. A BIOS upgrade has failed and left it corrupt. The Intel manual describes a method to recover this situation by removing a jumper from the board and booting with the BIOS update floppy in the drive. The MB should read from the floppy, make two beeps, which it does and then it should resume reading the floppy ? which it doesn't. I suspect its not finding the stuff it should on the floppy - I have tried several different versions of the BIOS - no luck. It?s a D845BG - Intel says it's no longer supported - its only 3 yrs old - oh well... Anyway does anyone here have any more insight into recovery methods Thanks in advance ? Ken -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/2005 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Mon Jun 13 07:55:54 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:55:54 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki In-Reply-To: <1118615625.3990.6.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> <42ACB2C6.7010409@black1.org.uk> <20050612223232.GA9031@furbychan.cocan.org> <1118615625.3990.6.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050613075554.GA8385@furbychan.cocan.org> On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 11:33:45PM +0100, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > Errr, not exactly selling it hard... what's good about it? Interactive editing. Good support for stylesheets. Lots of other stuff. Have a look at: http://sandbox.merjis.com/features Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Fri Jun 10 13:42:03 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:42:03 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <1118410923.11371.139.camel@Vigor12> On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 14:36 +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > Hi, > > Google returns a myriad of companies. Anybody with positive first hand > experience ? How is the data lost, and on what media? Will my often reported trick of putting the disk in the freezer not work? Gory details please, complete with pics of fried components. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sean at uncertainty.org.uk Wed Jun 8 22:28:54 2005 From: sean at uncertainty.org.uk (Sean Burlington) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:28:54 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <42A591D3.4020501@hinterlands.org> References: <42A591D3.4020501@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: <200506082328.54696.sean@uncertainty.org.uk> On Tuesday 07 Jun 2005 1:23 pm, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > Jason Clifford wrote: > > the message is more likely to come from the version of clamav being used. > > Freshclam will raise warnings about the version of the software if it is > > not at a level sufficient to catch all of the viruses/worms that are > > specified in the data update. > > You can fix this in the short term by using the clam maintainer's > packages. Add this to your sources list: > > deb http://people.debian.org/~sgran/debian sarge main thanks, I'm a bit wary of missing out on qa and it seems that clamav *is* now in http://volatile.debian.net/ - I have just updated clamav using this system - I haven't found much information about debian.volatile yet ... -- Sean -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Thu Jun 23 12:04:18 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:04:18 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] x.org 6.8.2 and backspace In-Reply-To: <20050623110317.GA21094@furbychan.cocan.org> (Richard Jones's message of "Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:03:17 +0100") References: <20050622171204.GA27304@furbychan.cocan.org> <87ekauuiff.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <20050623110317.GA21094@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <87mzph2sal.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Richard Jones stated: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 11:37:40PM +0100, Nix wrote: >> What key does xev say is generated when you hit backspace? If it's not >> BackSpace, the problem is Xkb (unlikely, but I've seen it happen): >> otherwise, it's readline and/or the terminal emulator to blame. > > It says: > > KeyPress event, serial 21, synthetic NO, window 0x1e00001, > root 0x40, subw 0x1e00002, time 347705745, (52,50), root:(352,130), > state 0x0, keycode 22 (keysym 0xff08, BackSpace), same_screen YES, > XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (08) " > XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (08) " > XFilterEvent returns: False That's correct. > and indeed now doing: > > xmodmap -e 'keycode 22 = BackSpace' That's the identity transformation. > does fix the problem (I didn't realise one had to restart xterms for > the change to take effect - duh). Er, you don't. Something else is wrong; probably the .Xresources stuff mentioned in the RH bug report pointed to by Dave Cross. (You often *do* need to restart programs before they'll pick up changes in the X resource database.) -- `It's as bizarre an intrusion as, I don't know, the hobbits coming home to find that the Shire has been taken over by gangsta rappers.' -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Wed Jun 1 16:26:46 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:26:46 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:09:13 BST." <200506011709.13561.mimo@restoel.net> Message-ID: <200506011626.j51GQlnT005556@isengard.accucard.com> mimo writes: >A proper ISP -- like the one I am working for ;) -- should run spamassassin >for you... and also greylisting... and proper SMTP servers ..and... You missed out one very important word in that -- "optionally". A proper ISP should provide you with unfiltered IP connectivity and nothing else. If ISPs want to offer additional services (spam filtering, web proxying, etc), then great. But don't make it mandatory for everyone. Some of us like to do things ourselves, and my views on these things may well differ from my ISP's mass market driven policies... Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at sinodun.org.uk Sun Jun 5 17:18:32 2005 From: john at sinodun.org.uk (John Winters) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:18:32 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] How to stop hotplug being "clever"? Message-ID: <1117991912.2442.14.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> A week or so ago I posted a plea for help with a box which suddenly seemed to have lost its ethernet port. Someone kindly suggested it might be poor earthing, but I tried that and it didn't help. After days of puzzling over it, I've finally found out what's wrong - it's trying to use its firewire port as an ethernet port in preference to the real ethernet port! I only realised this when I booted with an up-to-date Sarge installation CD and it said, "Which of your ethernet ports would you like to use?" The box in question had not been re-booted for several months, during which time it's been steadily tracking the Sarge updates. For some reason the workings of hotplug seem to have changed, to the extent that it now chooses "ethernet over firewire" in preference to plain ethernet when left to its own devices at boot time. As a result, it tries to use the firewire port as eth0 and, surprise surprise, nothing works. If I add some configuration for eth1 and do an "ifup eth1" it springs into life. To my mind, that's a pretty severe bug (the change, if not the choice) in Sarge - I wonder how they'd like me to raise a new RC bug report? So, can anyone tell me how to change the configuration and tell it to use the real ethernet port as eth0? I recall one used (pre-hotplug) to do this with an alias in /etc/modules.conf, but I've added: alias eth0 via_rhine there and it doesn't make any difference. Can anyone tell me how to do it please? TIA, John -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From addw at phcomp.co.uk Fri Jun 3 10:58:43 2005 From: addw at phcomp.co.uk (Alain Williams) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:58:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] o2, web, site, .... In-Reply-To: <42A03383.4030507@pigeonhold.com> References: <20050603102146.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42A03383.4030507@pigeonhold.com> Message-ID: <20050603105843.GN13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 11:40:03AM +0100, Doug Winter wrote: > Alain Williams wrote: > >I tried their web site (o2.co.uk) -- it tells me that I need to update my > >browser, > >(I tried the latest mozilla & firefox). I 'phone customer services who ask > >me to > >email: my-care at o2.co.uk - this bounced, they confirm that it is correct. > > Their web site is a pile of poo, as is their useless customer service, > but it's always worked ok for me in firefox before. What are you doing > to get the message? Nothing odd that I can think of -- just enter the URL as I normally do. It is: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-GB; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050523 CentOS/1.0.4-1.4.1.centos4 Firefox/1.0.4 (Centos is a redhat enterprise clone). The upgrade link takes me to the netscape web site which wants to upgrade me to netscape 8 (where I can't find anything other than MS Windows downloads). I know that the start of the above line is ''Mozilla/5.0'' and I suspect that their site simply looks at that. Interpretting browser ID strings seems to be somewhat of a black art. > Oh, and I think the email address you want is mycare at o2mail.co.uk. Thanks ... 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It's always a personal balance, but I'm > willing > to pay a bit more (and it's only a bit) in order to deal with people > with clue. Sometimes you get that when paying more too! Nildram managed to totally f*ck up my service a while back - we were operating with a routed netblock as we needed some distinct IP addresses for VPN requirements. They managed to remove the routing completely when we asked for a totally unrelated change as it appears that they had two account open for us and closed one without telling us. Unfortunately it was the one that was setup correctly. It took a week to get it back to normal and they offered no compensation. They then managed to stuff up the billing multiple times and when we requested a MAC to transfer to HomeChoice they decided that they would keep billing us for forever and a day after our service had started with HomeChoice. HomeChoice is a much simpler product ISP wise so they've managed to not stuff it up as much but as with any newish system they've had a billing glitch or 2. I'm fairly happy with it but am using their TV less and less so may transition to UKonline when I move soon. M at t :o) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It takes a perceptive and disciplined person to train themselves effectively. Even assuming they have the resources and the time. That's the killer, because most people do not have much to spare of either. A good training course (with a good trainer) can give the trainee a significant amount of coherent information in a very short time and this is almost always worth the expenditure. Without that start, that person is likely to waste signficantly more time finding their own way and that time will be spread out around all their very important active tasks. Companies that are serious about developing their staff really need to take training seriously. I would not consider working for a company that did not have a training budget and a policy for staff development. Managing staff training was one of my tasks at my last job. I saw the value of it (the gains in productivity and staff self-confidence, for example) too clearly to miss. Any company that doesn't take this seriously is only hurting itself. One of the issues I'm facing at my current job is that we have some very clever and complex kit and not enough people who are clued up on it. Picking it up as they go simply is not an option. Intensive training from the people who build and sold us the kit is the only practical solution. > This is especially valuable in an > environment such as mine where most of the machines I admin are in a > production environment and aren't really the sort of systems on which > you can learn by trial and error. Separate development, staging and production environments are a necessity but they are also all critical in their different ways and not playgrounds. Staff at a workplace which has implemented professional procedures like that are also likely to be busy maintaining them according to procedure. They aren't going to have the scope, let alone much time, to use them as self-training facilities. 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In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:42:38 BST." <20050610064238.GA25519@tinsleyviaduct.com> Message-ID: <200506100714.j5A7EsCa022572@isengard.accucard.com> Phil Reynolds writes: >I'm really looking across Harrow, Barnet and Enfield, though wouldn't >rule out other areas. Main thing is, it must be in a reasonable area to >drive to, as, unless they give me the OK at the hospital, I won't be >able to walk, and therefore the Underground will be out of the question. Try RL Supplies in Watford. It's not too far to drive from Harrow. http://www.rlsupplies.co.uk Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From addw at phcomp.co.uk Mon Jun 13 17:01:00 2005 From: addw at phcomp.co.uk (Alain Williams) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:01:00 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] mysql binary logs Message-ID: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> I am trying, unsucessfully, to do something that should be incredibly simple. I am trying to switch on binary logging in mysql. I have put ''log-bin=/var/lib/mysql/'' into /etc/my.cnf in the ''[mysqld_safe]'' section and the ''[mysql.server]'' section. I have tried variations like: ''log-bin=/var/lib/mysql/log_file_name'' and putting it on the command line. I added ''log-bin-index=/var/lib/mysql/logbinindex''. None of the above seems to make any difference at all. All the documentation suggests that I am doing the right thing/ The database itself works (queries/selects) -- I just can't get the logging to appear to do anything. I have tried this under fedora3 (mysql 3.23.58) and redhat enterprise 4 (actually: Centos 4 - but the same thing) and with mysql mysql-server-4.1.10a. In /var/lib/mysql I do see the ib_logfile0, ib_logfile1 & ibdata1 files - but that is something else. Appended is a typical part of /var/log/mysqld.log. TIA 050613 17:42:51 mysqld started 050613 17:42:51 InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 43681 /usr/libexec/mysqld: ready for connections. Version: '4.1.10a' socket: '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' port: 3306 Source distribution 050613 17:50:35 [Note] /usr/libexec/mysqld: Normal shutdown 050613 17:50:35 InnoDB: Starting shutdown... 050613 17:50:37 InnoDB: Shutdown completed; log sequence number 0 43681 050613 17:50:37 [Note] /usr/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown complete 050613 17:50:37 mysqld ended -- Alain Williams Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Linux Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 #include -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There's a chance the HermesAP driver will work in > my case, I will give it a try when I'm feeling brave. > > Regards, > Tom > There might be another problem caused by intermittent direct connections which by-pass the bridge, causing havoc with the packet filtering. -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Mon Jun 20 09:46:52 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:46:52 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Planet GLLUG? 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Iv'e not known windows to stay up that long so I think you are safe to assume this is a safe bet. I will test the overnight timeout as well on my machine at home and let you know the outcome. > You didn't mention if you were using the linux, mac or > windows version? > I, unfortunately, am using the windows version. I use both the Linux version and the Windows version. The 8*9 test was performed on Windows XP with Thunderbird 1.0.2 Thanks Mike -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 7 21:27:32 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:27:32 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] quick exim question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118179652.3867.53.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 21:50 +0100, Minty wrote: > I'm getting a bunch of spam of the type: > > Received: from dynamic.dsl.spammer.relay.thing... > From: admin at mydomain.com > To: valid.user at mydomain.com > > and it's sailing right past spamassassin and confusing my mum, as she > keeps getting emails telling her account is to be terminated. > > The From address can be a variey of things: webmaster@, accounts@ etc. > > None of the spoof'd From addresses are actual valid accounts. Are legitimate emails from mydomain.com all forwarded from one IP? Or can there be different IPs? > > Is there a way to tell my exim (v3.35) or procmail (v3.22) or > spamassassin on Debian Woody to reject/direct mail with a From: > address that isn't a valid account on my domain to the spam bucket? > > Ideally, somewhere globally that automatically knows about valid users > on the system so I don't have to maintain a seperate valid users list > for procmail/exim/sa? -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I assume the webserver doesn't have a public ip address. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Wed Jun 1 14:27:20 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:27:20 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Remote hylafax or similar In-Reply-To: <1117635855.3888.41.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1117635855.3888.41.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <429DC5C8.6010604@hinterlands.org> Adrian McMenamin wrote: >Is anybody aware of a company in London that offers this sort of a >service. > I recall someone working on a CUPS-to-Hylafax gateway type thing. That'd work across the Internet. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Wed Jun 29 13:21:51 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:21:51 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] tree spanning algorithms/libraries In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:52:36 BST." <42C26154.4010100@tpg.com.au> Message-ID: <200506291321.j5TDLqKo001133@isengard.accucard.com> Richard writes: >This is basically a variety of travelling salesman problem, and hard >computer science has never been my strong point. Does anyone know of a >good source for tools for solving this sort of problem, and >implementations of algorithms to make it easier on fools like myself. Use a declarative language like Prolog, and let it handle the details for you... Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Tue Jun 14 11:55:44 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:55:44 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] In at the deep end with an Iomega REV In-Reply-To: <42AEBD90.301@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42AEBD90.301@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050614115544.GN13689@rumble.net> This one time, at band camp, Ashley Evans wrote: > I'd ideally like to use it as a tape but they seem to use udf. I can > mount the disks r/o but if I try to mkudffs (umounted of course) it dies > with: trying to change type of multiple extents. Aren't they just USB 2.0 hard drives? -- Rev Simon Rumble www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Because geeks travel too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Matthias -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jun 7 11:07:46 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:07:46 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] VMware how do I access the guest when there is no host network connection? In-Reply-To: <580806e9050607033731154e78@mail.gmail.com> References: <580806e9050607033731154e78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1118142466.5212.6.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 11:37 +0100, Darren Beale wrote: > I guess I'm confused how these virtual network interfaces are > presented to the guest and how one accesses them. I did a 'discover' > but it didn't come up with anything new and my knowledge of adding new > hardware to a running linux system is pretty ropey at best. Set the VM to use host-only networking (or did you already do that?), do ipconfig /all on the host to see what subnets it's on, and then them out in the guest. In the reverse situation, (the only one I'm familiar with) ie a linux host and a windows guest, the host does dhcp. If you're lucky this will happen for you too. hope this is some help, Tom SW ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From Rob.Bannocks at ucl.ac.uk Tue Jun 21 14:12:47 2005 From: Rob.Bannocks at ucl.ac.uk (Robert Bannocks) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:12:47 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] MP3-CDs Message-ID: <42B8205F.2000800@ucl.ac.uk> >>/ Hi all, >/>/ >/>/ Can anyone tell me how I burn and MP3-CD under linix. By MP3-CD mean a >/>/ CD-R disk >/>/ with a format that works in my new portable CD payer which supports "MP3 >/>/ Playback" (from >/>/ a CD disk). Quite a bit of googling has just confused me. Most sites >/>/ seem to suggest converting >/>/ the MP3s into a standard audio CD. This is not what I want as the MP3 >/>/ play back seems to support >/>/ mutiple albums on one physical CD. >/ >Create an ISO9660 filesystem containing the MP3s, and burn that to the >disk in DAO mode. > >mkisofs -JR /path/to/MP3s | cdrecord -v fs=6m dev=XX,XX - >where XX,XX is the scsi id of your cd writer. > >/joel Thanks, - I take it the directory will become the album name? Is there any significance to the nameing of the files? How do I control the order in which the player will play them by default? TIA RB -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Thu Jun 2 14:11:24 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:11:24 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <200506021453.44875.mimo@gn.apc.org> (Michael Moritz's message of "Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:53:44 +0100") References: <200506021431.46672.mimo@gn.apc.org> <200506021453.44875.mimo@gn.apc.org> Message-ID: Michael Moritz writes: > On Thursday 02 June 2005 14:43, Rich Walker wrote: >> Michael Moritz writes: >> > On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:17, Jason Clifford wrote: >> >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Moritz wrote: >> >> > This is a misunderstanding. The receiving SMTP server (the one that >> >> > does the greylisting) reads the MAIL FROM, RCPT TO, and client >> >> > address, then checks the greylisting database and issues a 450. This >> >> > is before the DATA section of the SMTP session. >> >> >> >> You are trusting that all other MTAs and MUAs do the "right thing". >> >> Experience shows that this sometimes is not the case. >> > >> > What do you mean? My SMTP server disconnects after the greylist check, >> > the session is ended. No way the sender can continue sending the mail >> > data as the tcp session is closed. >> >> The sender then drops the mail on the floor, or bounces it to the >> originator with an unhelpful message. > > Thought this was about the reduction of mail server load, not weird MTA > implementations... Well, losing mail going to the server will reduce the load, but not in a way you want. And any strategy for running an MTA unfortunately has to take on board that not everyone is running a Real MTA - some of them appear to have hired a Big Consulting Firm to write a "Mail System" for them to make sure it's as f'd up as possible... > >> >> *This* is the problem with greylisting - critical upstream MTA's break >> when presented with it. > > That is why you would whitelist them beforehand. But you can't tell *until* you lose mail from them. And if it's, say, a new customer, you might never know. > BTW, there is still a problem with this. What does one of these "critical > upstream MTAs" do when it is confronted with a genuine 4xx message? Does it > just lose the message, seriously? I think that's even more worrying than > greylisting... Good question. I suspect some just tell the user "can't send your mail hah haaa!" and others say "try again later". Anyone know? cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mintywalker at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 23:10:15 2005 From: mintywalker at gmail.com (Minty) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 00:10:15 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] quick exim question In-Reply-To: <1118179652.3867.53.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1118179652.3867.53.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: On 6/7/05, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > Are legitimate emails from mydomain.com all forwarded from one IP? Or > can there be different IPs? Doh. I'd set up SPF for the domain, but not gotten around to enabling it on my own mailservers. Thanks. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at sinodun.org.uk Sun Jun 26 21:15:26 2005 From: john at sinodun.org.uk (John Winters) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:15:26 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <42BF1033.3040201@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <81bc82db050626031520f526b4@mail.gmail.com> <1119782421.2465.8.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <42BF1033.3040201@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <1119820526.2465.25.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 21:29 +0100, Peter Childs wrote: > John Winters wrote: > > >On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 11:15 +0100, Liam Smit wrote: > > > > > >>I've worked in a call centre and it is standard procedure to only give > >>first names. > >> > >> > > > >True, however the fact that it is common practice doesn't in any way > >excuse it. > > > > > > > >> I believe it was for security purposes, > >> > >> > > > >This is a common reason given, although it is a blatant lie. The real > >reason is to prevent you (the customer) from being able to follow up > >something when they balls it up yet again. > > > > > > > > Not completly true Call centers often will use first names and > somtimes they are not in fact the persons actual first more like a > handle like people oftern use on the web. Even worse! > It does not mean you can't > escalate the call as you can always quote the first name and they ought > to know who it is in fact anayway. "ought to" is a long way from will. My experience is that these places very much prefer to leave no traces. You phone again. They say, "We have no record of your previous call". All you can say is, "I spoke to Kevin" and they say they don't know which Kevin. It's essential with these shifty organisations - and let's not beat about the bush, any organisation which encourages its staff not to give their true full names is shifty - to insist on getting some sort of handle. If they really won't give their names then you need to insist on a unique query reference, and in any case I'd take my business elsewhere at the earliest possible opportunity. > Its quite common for Sam to be so > more complicated asian or foreign name that no brit could remeber anyway! > > >Some organisations (e.g. Demon) even make up fictitious individuals to > >sign letters. So you'll get a letter signed (or rather, not signed - > >just a printed name and no signature) by "Able Baker Charlie - Senior > >Customer Services Representative", but if you write back to Able Baker > >Charlie pointing out he hasn't addressed your query you will never get a > >reply and if you phone, at any hour of the day or night, he is always in > >a meeting. > > > > > But of course we all get junk mail and need to guard against it some > how Eh!? What's that got to do with the subject under discussion? > however, They should at least own up to who Able Baker Carlie is and > be able to direct the matter to the correct group of people. You should, but increasingly often you can't. Don't stand for it. Don't put up with bullshit about, "It's company policy" or "it's common practice". In reality it's the organisation demonstrating that it regards you as shit and will treat you as such. > > >Common practice these may be, but they are utterly inexecusable. > >Boycott any organisation which uses them - the message is they regard > >you as shit and will treat you as such. > > > >John > > > > > > > Bocotting this practice could mean you are boycotting everyone. Fortunately, it doesn't - and whilst enough people carry on boycotting, it won't. > Its could also be sean as racisit Racist!? Don't be silly. (And where did Sean come into it?) > and get you in trouble for different reasons. > > Silly I know but for all you know the Seinior Customer Services > Representative really is called Able and yes he probably is far too busy > to talk to you and is letting one of his depraties hadle the problem, Or > hes not on shift or somthing They may tell you some silly reasons but > nobody is aloud to work 24x7. You're missing the point. I wasn't querying the likelihood of his name. It isn't actually "Able Baker Charlie"; it's something like Mike Philpotts or Peter Henderson. The point is it's a made-up name. No such person exists, nor does it relate to any real person in the sense of being a pseudonym. It's just a fake name to put on the end of letters. Yes, if some real person were dealing with the problem it wouldn't be so bad, but in reality it means you've been dropped into a sinkpot and you aren't going to get a response from anyone. It's no use trying to make excuses for this kind of behaviour. It stinks and it needs to be recognised as stinking. Don't stand for it. John -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Sun Jun 12 20:51:57 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 21:51:57 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <20050610141055.GB19394@createservices.com> (Pete Ryland's message of "Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:10:55 +0100") References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> <42A85E64.9020703@pigeonhold.com> <87y89izfsp.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <20050610141055.GB19394@createservices.com> Message-ID: <87wtozb8nm.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Pete Ryland murmured woefully: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:07:02AM +0100, Nix wrote: >> You can do both, in any order. This is valid: >> >> "Nix" nix at esperi.org.uk (The Immortal and All-Powerful One) > > Ok, we all know you're the top techy around here, but "Immortal and > All-Powerful" too? Perhaps it was a little extreme, but I know people who know people. I'm fairly sure my sister's current SO is a close relative of Thor, for example, judging by weather effects which he seems to be able to make happen on demand. (So behave or I'll electric-storm your box. ;) ) -- `It's as bizarre an intrusion as, I don't know, the hobbits coming home to find that the Shire has been taken over by gangsta rappers.' -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jun 22 21:52:51 2005 From: chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk (Christopher Hunter) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 22:52:51 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: <92CA923AAE010949A3A58BF744E5678501BB4A31@elon11p32003.csfp.co.uk> References: <92CA923AAE010949A3A58BF744E5678501BB4A31@elon11p32003.csfp.co.uk> Message-ID: <200506222252.51300.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> On Wednesday 22 Jun 2005 09:01, Wiehe, Simon wrote: > Might be trivial to swap but it probably wont work. > > I had a Fujitsu drive with a faulty controller card (known manufacturing > fault) Fujitsu support said it might work but it is unlikely, I would have > to match the exact model and bios revision, which I did. It still did not > work, this is because platter metrics are burned into the chips when the > drive is built. That's strange. My neighbour had a power supply go wild, and it fried his Fujitsu drive electronics. I contacted Fujitsu, and they told me that the particular model of drive was obsolete, but they'd see if they could locate a board for it. They didn't have one in this country, but shipped me one (at no charge) from Japan within three days! It was a matter of moments to install the replacement board, and the drive worked as well as ever. Chris -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From Kens at kensnet.org Tue Jun 14 08:11:51 2005 From: Kens at kensnet.org (Ken Smith) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:11:51 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Sound recording - distortion References: <20050614072120.GA10779@tinsleyviaduct.com><004f01c570b4$1487de80$150010ac@kensnet> <20050614075036.GA9250@tinsleyviaduct.com> Message-ID: <007101c570b8$b8db4b80$150010ac@kensnet> > > > Is distortion a common problem when recording sound using a VIA > > > 8237-based motherboard? I am finding it so but was wondering if there > > > was a known good way to fix it. > > > > Is the volume level going into the card too high? Is there another input - > > you might be using the Mic level one by mistake. > > > Well, I am definitely using the line-level input... > > The input is from a standard hi-fi amplifier (tape loop). > > I have tried reducing the level (snd kept sticking but audacity is OK) > but I still get noticeable "mush" and squeaking. Earth disconnected, some feedback path somewhere leading to squeeking, Some strange setting leading to a feedback path in the sound sub-system - ALSA settings. I have an SBLive with that problem if I set ALSA mixer wrongly. Pickup from the inverter in the PSU. You could try putting the SB128 in there - somehow I doubt the MB sound input would be that awful (IE: 10-15 db S/N ratio) but its awful hard to get really good performance from an A/D that's inside a PC. Its better to digitise sound externally and bring it into a PC as digital S/PDIFF or AES/EBU. HTH Ken -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/05 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 9 22:20:52 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 23:20:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] New hard disk needed - nearby suppliers? In-Reply-To: <20050609211559.GA15607@tinsleyviaduct.com> Message-ID: On Thu 09 Jun, Phil Reynolds wrote: > > I am in quite desperate need of a new hard disk for my main Linux system > - probably looking for about 160Gb. > > I am hoping to obtain one tomorrow, and would therefore appreciate any > recommendations as to a supplier in North Middlesex whose prices are > good. > North Middlesex is a big area! (There are some trade suppliers around Park Royal, but I would not call that close to North Middlesex). > It will be the first time I have done an upgrade since I started using > grub as my bootloader, so any hints on how to handle that part of a hard > disk upgrade would be very helpful. > > Thanks in advance... > > -- > Phil Reynolds > o ____ mail: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com > |L_ \ / Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ > (_)- \/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 7 16:16:53 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:16:53 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> Message-ID: <1118161013.3867.10.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 14:00 +0100, Rich Walker wrote: > You'd need: > * no swap partition For speed reasons only I assume > * /tmp, /var/tmp/ and probably a few others on ramdisks. Why? CF is cheaper than memory. When the CF chip wears out throw it away :) -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk Thu Jun 2 11:32:30 2005 From: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk (John Edwards) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:32:30 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] He doesn't give up... In-Reply-To: <1845.155.198.181.3.1117710830.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> References: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> <429EEAB9.6030108@pauken.co.uk> <1845.155.198.181.3.1117710830.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> Message-ID: <20050602113229.GC22827@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 12:13:50PM +0100, John Hearns wrote: >> John Hearns wrote: >>> He doesn't give up, does he? >> >> Que? > > Stephen, its THURSDAY. > They put my best straitjacket on this morning, > and the nice nurses are coming wound with the thorazine soon. I never could get the hang of Thursdays. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Wed Jun 29 11:14:22 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 12:14:22 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced In-Reply-To: <87hdfh3bo3.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> (nix@esperi.org.uk's message of "Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:43:56 +0100") References: <200506281917.35220.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> <87wtoe2mcv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <87hdfh3bo3.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: Nix writes: > On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Rich Walker suggested tentatively: >> Nix writes: >> >> >>> `I lost interest in "blade servers" when I found they didn't throw knives >>> at people who weren't supposed to be in your machine room.' >>> --- Anthony de Boer >> >> I wonder how many more attributions that quote is going to go through? > > I managed to screw it up originally really rather badly (got it from a > quoted post and referenced the quoter, not the quotee). He's a prolific finder of good quotes, too. > >> Anyone else noticed that Mozilla is very unreliable when run on a remote >> machine with local display? > > I do it all the time: no problems detected (assuming that I grok `remote > machine with local display' rightly: you mean that DISPLAY points to > your local machine, right? i.e., that from Mozilla's POV, it's > nonlocal?) Yeah. Sequence is: ssh -X mozilla www.bosch.com on local machine mozilla www.bosch.com no bang. I think it's plug-in related. cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 17 20:56:53 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:56:53 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] proxy-arp and a vpn Message-ID: <1119041813.12652.22.camel@localhost> Hello again I am using a linux box to link a home network (well, a Thinkpad) to a wireless ADSL router next door. Using NAT I had all sorts of problems, so I switched to proxy-arp, and now everything works :) For example, connecting to a VPN from behind NAT was beyond me. With proxy-arp, the Thinkpad connects to the VPN easily, but the VPN doesn't seem to work very well. On the other hand, if I use the linux router as the VPN client and NAT, the Thinkpad can use the VPN without any difficulty. Which seems pretty crazy to me. any comments very welcome Have a good weekend, Tom Weissmann ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dani at enplater.com Tue Jun 14 15:36:13 2005 From: dani at enplater.com (Dani Pardo) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:36:13 +0200 Subject: [Gllug] Network upgrades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AEF96D.2080402@enplater.com> Ian Lewis wrote: > Hi, > > We're just starting a network upgrade as our kit is ancient and our backups > aren't worth the tape they are written on. The upgrade path will involve the > use of Network Attached Storage which we have no experience of here. > > Is there anyone out there who can give me an idea of where I can get a > demonstration of NAS? It's probably dead simple but I'd rather spend the > money on something I understand. We are, literally, a charity case... > We use a snap server from snap appliance in our company. Think about it like an embedded nfs (appletalk/smb) server. We're quite happy of it. Give it an IP address and configure it by web. Sends alerts by e-mail, syslog, hotplug hard drives, it's a cool machine IMHO. And doesn't run on Windows embedded os (important, for obvious reasons :). -- Dani Pardo, dani at enplater.com Enplater S.A -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Fri Jun 10 14:51:37 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:51:37 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <20050610141055.GB19394@createservices.com> (Pete Ryland's message of "Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:10:55 +0100") References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> <42A85E64.9020703@pigeonhold.com> <87y89izfsp.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <20050610141055.GB19394@createservices.com> Message-ID: Pete Ryland writes: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:07:02AM +0100, Nix wrote: [snip] >> "Nix" nix at esperi.org.uk (The Immortal and All-Powerful One) > > Ok, we all know you're the top techy around here, but "Immortal and > All-Powerful" too? In ten thousand years, industrial archaeologists will be tracing the evolution of software by noticing the output effects of Nix's weird hacks on gcc... (I think Vernor Vinge, Ken McLeod and Peter Hamilton have all made amusing use of code-archaeology themes in their work. I recall one dialogue sequence: "how do we know the is human-derived?" "we found DOS bugs in the base code") cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From liam.smit at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 17:17:23 2005 From: liam.smit at gmail.com (Liam Smit) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:17:23 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: References: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <81bc82db05062110177be6d263@mail.gmail.com> HI Might have just been the drive electronics that lost their magic smoke. In which case with a 3.5 IDE it is almost trivial to swap out the PCB from an identical disk. For a 2.5 IDE it would be harder but it's when the disk is damaged and needs to be recovered in a clean room environment that things get expensive. Cheers Liam On 10/06/05, Rich Walker wrote: > Ashley Evans writes: > > > Hi, > > > > Google returns a myriad of companies. Anybody with positive first hand experience ? > > Yes; I've had a hard-drive recovered by a firm in West London. Hang > on: > > http://www.datarecoverydirect.co.uk/ > > I was upgrading Debian on my laptop, and forgot that /usr was mounted > -ro. I ended up with a non-usable machine. I thought "I'll plug the > hard drive in to another box" and stuck the 2.5->3.5 adapter in the > wrong way round. Smoke. > > They completely recovered it onto a newer, larger drive. > > It wasn't very cheap, but it was a *lot* cheaper than some other > companies that do the same job. > > cheers, Rich. > > -- > rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk > technical director 251 Liverpool Road | > need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 > www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug > -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mamading at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 12:15:09 2005 From: mamading at gmail.com (Mamading Ceesay) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:15:09 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Invoicing software? Message-ID: <57a93597050609051551f952f3@mail.gmail.com> Hi, In the past, I have used phpOrganisation for doing things like invoicing on Linux. I'm wondering what else people are using for generating invoices (besides the plain old fashioned text editor/word processor/email client route). -- Mamading Ceesay "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." -- R. Buckminster Fuller -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Mon Jun 6 13:53:43 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:53:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Distribution Lists In-Reply-To: References: <42A430DA.9070505@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <42A45567.9050101@hoshy.co.uk> Rich Walker wrote: >Ashley Evans writes: > > > >>Hi, >> >>I'm looking into simple methods to create distrbution lists that don't require subscriptions and >>will only accept mail from internal addresses. >> >>I was going to use simple aliases but that would be open to external mis-use. Mailman seems like an >>overkill. Any ideas of something to do the job, or even how to make postfix only accept mail for >>list1 at example.com from internal hosts? >> >> > >We use mailman for that here. We can then choose on a per-address basis >whether to make it externally usable (useful for trusted third parties >and point-of-contact addresses), externally visible (useful for >collaborations) or whatever... > >cheers, Rich. > > > Thanks. I've decided on the alias method for the moment until I need to give them something more flexible. Hopefully never. For the archives I solved the previous problem by taking note of the mail.err message fatal: parameter "smtpd_recipient_restrictions": specify at least one working instance of: check_relay_domains, reject_unauth_destination, reject, defer or defer_if_permit and added the following to main.cf: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, permit, reject the idea being to allow everything except those addresses explicitly listed in access. As the configuration matures this will probably change but it does suffice for the moment. Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Fri Jun 3 06:11:43 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:11:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Poor disk performance on IDE raid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117779111.10476.12.camel@Vigor12> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 23:52 +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote: > Hi folks, > > We have several identical 2.8GHz P4 servers running Debian sarge with > 2.6.8-1-386 kernel and a 3Ware Escalade 7006-2 IDE raid card, with 2 x > 160Gb IDE drives in them. > > When reading large files, web server logs for example, top shows the > processor spending about 80% of its time waiting for disk IO. > > This doesn't seem right to me but it is the same on two machines so I > don't think there's a hardware problem. > > Could anyone offer advice regarding the best place to start diagnosing and > fixing this problem ? > Use iostat -x -d /dev/??? 5 to monitor the disk activity. Use hdparm -t -T do do a very crude speed test. Use bonnie++ do do a proper test. Keep the results, and continue using iostat as you change the parameters below. You can change the elevator tuning, using elvtune on 2.4 kernels. I think (?) this is done automagically on 2.6 series kernels, so is probably not relevant to you. With elvtune can set how many writes or reads are queued up before being committed to disk. You can set /proc/sys/vm/max-readahead and min-readahead on the fly, and make them permanent using sysctl 3Ware themselves have a technical bulletin on the optimal parameters they recommend. Just search their support site. http://www.3ware.com/KB/kb.asp Article Q10036 is for 2.4 kernels, but links to one on 2.6 kernels. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From gl.lug at ntlworld.com Mon Jun 27 19:10:20 2005 From: gl.lug at ntlworld.com (Pip) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:10:20 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mail servers on FC4 Message-ID: <200506272010.21197.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> I'm trying to get exim set up with a pop server - dovecot currently being struggled with - to allow for virtual users rather than just throwing everything in to /var/spool/mail and expecting users to have an account on the machine. Does anyone have a link to point me at an example of how to do this? I'm trying to replace the Windows NT mail servers (MDaemon) after having put in Samba to cope with the file servers. Any help gushingly appreciated. Pip -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk Wed Jun 15 15:25:10 2005 From: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk (John Edwards) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:25:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Recovering ISOs from a FUBARed HDD In-Reply-To: <20050615140946.GD27975@createservices.com> References: <1118679556.2416.5.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <20050613170954.GA15948@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> <20050615140946.GD27975@createservices.com> Message-ID: <20050615152510.GA9640@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 03:09:46PM +0100, Pete Ryland wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 06:09:55PM +0100, John Edwards wrote: >> If it's a trusted network then you could use netcat to pull it across. >> The current Debian Sarge CD has nc symlinked to busybox. >> >> On the machine with the files: >> nc -l -p 12345 -c "cat file" >> >> On another machine: >> nc machine1 12345 > file >> >> Netcat on the first machine will quit after finishing the cat and >> closing the connection. >> >> It's not secure or 100% reliable, but can get you out of a jam when >> you don't have SSH available. Check md5sum or file sizes afterwards >> would be recommended. > > There's no reason it shouldn't be reliable. I was thinking that there is no way to check that you are connecting to the correct machine, getting the correct file, that the start and end points are correct, or any attempt at bandwidth control. Unless I have misunderstood netcat, the only type of checking or control is what you get in TCP. Also if anything else connects to that port on the sending machine (eg a portscan) then netcat will starting sending to the connection instead, and you have to go back and start it up again. Most of the time it'll work, but in terms of reliability it's well below SSH, and probably any other TCP protocol else well. Any votes for least reliable network protocol ? > BTW, one can also pipe tar or anything to netcat in the same way. Yes that's rather useful, but just a little more difficult as you would need to have a read of the netcat documentation first. I seem to remember the best way was to setup netcat to listen on the receiving machine, then to tar and use netcat to send to it from the machine with the files to the receiving machine. -- #---------------------------------------------------------# | John Edwards Email: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk | | | | A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion | | Q. Why is top posting bad ? | #---------------------------------------------------------# -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Wed Jun 22 13:46:22 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:46:22 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... In-Reply-To: <42B96BB4.7030409@hoshy.co.uk> References: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> <42B96BB4.7030409@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <1119447982.17734.38.camel@Vigor11> On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 14:46 +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > > > It was meant as a friendly litle poke against non-free software :) The > top500 entry mentions it runs Solaris. There are storage servers on the system, which look after the RAIDs. They use the Solaris QFS filesystem (so run Solaris) > Most of the other stuff you mentioned was over my head, impressive none > the less though. I'm guessing SCore is your own (company's) > development env/libs for creating software on parallel systems? > I may look up this low latency gigabit magic of which you speak though. > Sounds interesting. No need to Google. SCore is public domain http://www.pccluster.org To be honest the documentation there isn't great... -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mimo at gn.apc.org Wed Jun 1 20:44:22 2005 From: mimo at gn.apc.org (Michael Moritz) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:44:22 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <200506011626.j51GQlnT005556@isengard.accucard.com> References: <200506011626.j51GQlnT005556@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: <200506012144.23103.mimo@gn.apc.org> On Wednesday 01 June 2005 17:26, Tethys wrote: > mimo writes: > >A proper ISP -- like the one I am working for ;) -- should run > > spamassassin for you... and also greylisting... and proper SMTP servers > > ..and... > > You missed out one very important word in that -- "optionally". > A proper ISP should provide you with unfiltered IP connectivity > and nothing else. If ISPs want to offer additional services (spam > filtering, web proxying, etc), then great. But don't make it > mandatory for everyone. Some of us like to do things ourselves, Yes, the optional is very important. I would estimate around 1% of our users actually optet out of greylisting. Also, it's important to warn people before you put it in place and collect greylisting data without any actual greylisting taking place for a while. > and my views on these things may well differ from my ISP's mass > market driven policies... The other pointis that ISPs couldnt afford to literally do nothing about spam. The cost would be to high, not talking about the level of user complaints. mimo -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From kens at kensnet.org Thu Jun 30 09:12:42 2005 From: kens at kensnet.org (Ken Smith) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:12:42 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Samba 2 co-existance with AD In-Reply-To: <42C32686.2060808@acu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <000901c57d53$def20e10$190010ac@kensmw2kp> > XP SP2 may require registry changes to connect. Google for "sign or seal > secure channel" and you should find some potentially useful information. > I've had XP SP2 connecting to Samba 2.2.8 in an NT4 PDC environment > (though smbd segfaults with printing in some versions, see samba bug > 1147). Samba 3 does not require you to make changes to the client > registry, as it supports the secure channel. > Thank you Mike - I think that's the problem. I'll test it out... Ken -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.7/34 - Release Date: 29/06/2005 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Wed Jun 8 20:44:54 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:44:54 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: <87oeah4w4j.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> (nix@esperi.org.uk's message of "Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:53:16 +0100") References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> <1118161013.3867.10.camel@mayday.localdomain> <87oeah4w4j.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <87is0o37eh.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005, nix at esperi.org.uk moaned: > On Tue, 07 Jun 2005, Rich Walker suggested tentatively: >> Adrian McMenamin writes: >> >>> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 14:00 +0100, Rich Walker wrote: >>> >>> >>>> You'd need: >>>> * no swap partition >>> >>> For speed reasons only I assume >> >> No - wear cycles. Flash - 10k-100k cycles writes, which is not long for >> the allocation map alone. > > That's why you use JFFS But not for swap. Sheesh. You'd think I could learn to *read* one of these days... -- `It's as bizarre an intrusion as, I don't know, the hobbits coming home to find that the Shire has been taken over by gangsta rappers.' -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From caparo at saltmine.org.uk Mon Jun 27 12:55:13 2005 From: caparo at saltmine.org.uk (Caparo) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:55:13 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050627124603.GO29374@thebowery.co.uk> References: <200506271131.j5RBVCjB028682@isengard.accucard.com> <200506271333.07376.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> <20050627124603.GO29374@thebowery.co.uk> Message-ID: <200506271355.13103.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> On Monday 27 June 2005 1:46, Adam Bower wrote: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 01:33:07PM +0100, Caparo wrote: ..) but I have had my fair share of people who > need that bit extra help who can drive you a bit nuts but I don't mind > those kind of calls as the people calling are usually v.curteous and > polite and appreciate the help. > > Adam > -- > jabberid = quinophex at jabber.earth.li > AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem Hi, Apart from the odd academic with a chip (boulder) on their shoulder the people who need the odd bit of tuition are as you say very courteous & grateful that you will take that extra step to help them with tutorials and ref. notes for their particular problem. The academics who look down their noses at ex- regiment types get quite a suprise when they realise I can converse in several languages and have two degrees with more letters after my name than they have. Bit of a shock that "a knuckle dragger" her reference not mine was that bright LoL. -- TTFN ^ ? ? @ @ ? ? ? /V\ ? ? ? /( ? )\ ?Caparo ? ?^^ ^^ ? ? http://www.saltmine.org.uk -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Thu Jun 9 15:19:15 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:19:15 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <42A85B4D.8020706@archonet.com> References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> <42A8551D.7080904@hoshy.co.uk> <20050609144335.GT8359@rumble.net> <42A85B4D.8020706@archonet.com> Message-ID: <42A85DF3.7020106@hoshy.co.uk> Richard Huxton wrote: > Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > >> This one time, at band camp, Ashley Evans wrote: >> >> >>> I've no idea how these address came to exist in Outlook anyway. >> >> >> >> I just tested this in Outlook 2003 with Simon Rumble >> [simon at rumble.net] and it changed the address to the valid Simon >> Rumble . Perhaps it was something in older >> versions of LookOut and that's why it automagically converts them for >> you? > > > Outlook 2000 lets you enter all sorts of rubbish into the > address-field and will try to send it too. Sample: ??$%^*&aaron.com > > Presumably there's an exchange-server addressing mode that lets you > use arbitrary names. In my own test with the beast it sent fine after it translated the [ ... ] address. Going back to the users who had the original problem they'd pasted something like: name [mailto: name at domain] from a previous outlook email they'd received. They got told... Feel free to "tell" me. /me runs and hides. Thanks Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Mon Jun 13 11:49:21 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:49:21 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Grepping tab-completions In-Reply-To: <1118656138.6218.30.camel@localhost> References: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> <20050613094144.GA415@xiao.rsnet> <1118656138.6218.30.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050613114921.GA1318@xiao.rsnet> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 10:48:58AM +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 10:41 +0100, Russell Howe wrote: > > > $ find ${PATH//:/ } -maxdepth 1 -type f -name 'k*exec' > > That inline substitution is very neat... But insecure, if you don't trust the environment variable not to include things like '-exec rm .' (if you can't trust the value of $PATH, you have problems :) -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From northlondonjohn at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 2 10:16:42 2005 From: northlondonjohn at yahoo.co.uk (NorthLondon John) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:16:42 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Ubuntu UK Message-ID: Hi I know there's a number of Ubuntu users on this list, so you may be interested to know that an Ubuntu UK mailing list has just started up. Sign on here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk John ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From itsbruce at uklinux.net Wed Jun 8 11:38:46 2005 From: itsbruce at uklinux.net (Bruce Richardson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:38:46 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: <1118229618.10299.10.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> References: <1118229618.10299.10.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> Message-ID: <20050608113846.GD9700@phaistos.bruce> On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 12:20:18PM +0100, Huw wrote: > > linux package management tools (e.g. deb and rpm) track that kind of > info. It wouldn't be very difficult to poll the package DBs on each host > and dump the pertinent info into a central database. That's not enough even for change tracking, let alone change management. Using a revision control system to track /etc, for example, allows sysadmins a) to check whether the machine they are working on is in a consitent, approved state, b) to roll back to a previous state if they've messed something up and c) having made successful changes, to check in the new consistent state, adding in comments to explain what has been done. In a production environment, you might make the changes to a test system, check the changes in and then use the rcs tool to pull them down to the live servers. It is also possible to integrate change management tools like cfengine with a revision control system. -- Bruce What would Edward Woodward do? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Assuming these are windows-1252 files, why not just do this? find /somewhere -type f -name '*.html' -exec recode windows1252..utf8 ? Then you even get the UTF8 version of whatever character said monkey used... -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From joel at fysh.org Mon Jun 13 10:21:35 2005 From: joel at fysh.org (Joel Bernstein) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:21:35 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Grepping tab-completions In-Reply-To: <20050613094144.GA415@xiao.rsnet> References: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> <20050613094144.GA415@xiao.rsnet> Message-ID: <20050613102135.GI19591@fysh.org> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 10:41:44AM +0100, Russell Howe wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 10:25:00AM +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > > Hi > > > > I'm trying to remember the command that will let me use KDE io-slaves > > from bash, and I think it starts with 'k' and contains 'exec'. So what > > I'd like to do is pipe the names of all the commands available on my > > path that begin with 'k' through grep, but haven't a clue how. > > > > What's an easy way to search the path like this? > > Under bash: > > $ find ${PATH//:/ } -maxdepth 1 -type f -name 'k*exec' or even just echo ${PATH//:/\/k* } if you're using bash. this doesn't appear to work under zsh, possibly due to some weirdness in the way i've set up globbing. /joel -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From Rob.Bannocks at ucl.ac.uk Tue Jun 21 14:19:39 2005 From: Rob.Bannocks at ucl.ac.uk (Robert Bannocks) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:19:39 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Re: MP3-CDs Message-ID: <42B821FB.1000504@ucl.ac.uk> > > >On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 03:12:47PM +0100, Robert Bannocks wrote: >>/ >>/ Hi all, >/>/ >/>/ >/>/ >/>/ Can anyone tell me how I burn and MP3-CD under linix. By MP3-CD mean >/>/ >a />/ CD-R disk >/>/ >/>/ with a format that works in my new portable CD payer which supports >/>/ >"MP3 />/ Playback" (from >/>/ >/>/ a CD disk). Quite a bit of googling has just confused me. Most sites >/>/ >/>/ seem to suggest converting >/>/ >/>/ the MP3s into a standard audio CD. This is not what I want as the MP3 >/>/ >/>/ play back seems to support >/>/ >/>/ mutiple albums on one physical CD. >/>/ >/ >/>/ >Create an ISO9660 filesystem containing the MP3s, and burn that to the >/>/ >disk in DAO mode. >/>/ > >/>/ >mkisofs -JR /path/to/MP3s | cdrecord -v fs=6m dev=XX,XX - >/>/ >where XX,XX is the scsi id of your cd writer. >/>/ > >/>/ >/joel >/>/ >/>/ >/>/ Thanks, - I take it the directory will become the album name? >/ >I wouldn't assume that at all. If you're lucky the player will read >track metadata from the ID3 tags. > >>/ Is there any significance to the nameing of the files? >/ >Uh... Depends on your player software. RTFM. > >...unless you mean that as a general question... > >>/ How do I control the order in which the player will play them by default? >/ >Again, RTFM for your specific player. You may find that it plays 0-9 >first, then A-Z, or it may play directories first or playlist files or >.... - find out what you intend to play them with and read its >documentation. Or just burn a CD and find out. > > > Thanks, unfortunatly the player does not come with that much documentation I had assumed this was part of some standard, silly me. As you say I will just have to burn and see....thanks again.. >HTH, > >/joel > -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mpcooke3 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 08:38:06 2005 From: mpcooke3 at hotmail.com (Matthew Cooke) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:38:06 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Linux -> windows issues In-Reply-To: <1118442791.23121.36.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1118419932.23121.31.camel@mayday.localdomain> <42AA136D.9040603@hotmail.com> <1118442791.23121.36.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <42AAA2EE.5010505@hotmail.com> Adrian McMenamin wrote: >On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 23:25 +0100, Matthew Cooke wrote: > > > >>The linux boxes and windows boxes are all on the same switch. MDNS is >>being used for discovery and the linux machines all discover each other. >>the windows machines neither discover each other OR the the linux >>machines. The system is peer-to-peer so there is no client/server in the >>traditional sense. >> >> >>All the machines can ping each other yes. I don't have much experience >>debugging multicast problems so I don't know if I can test the >>224.0.0.251 multicasting in windows directly. >> >>Matt. >> >> > > >How can they ping each other when they don't know they are there? I >assume the first paragraph means the Window boxes cannot see the >network. > > > I'm not being very clear am I! I know which machines are on the network and their IP addresses so I can manually ping one from another. I'm trying to use mDNS so they can "auto"discover the other machines this is so that they the software that runs on them can automatically configure the machines to work togethor correctly and dynamically handle machines being added or removed. Traditional networking between all the machines is fine (they can ping each other, access file shares etc,) The only problem I have is that Windows XP machines aren't receiving the zeroconf/rendevous/mdns broadbcast packets/events and I have no idea why - i've tried messing with IGMP registry entries but according to MSDN, XP should be IGMP enabled out of the box. (I believe it's IGMP that allows the machines to handle ndns). I thought maybe someone might know some other way to test zeroconf/rendezvous/mDNS on windows or have got it working. Matt. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 13 23:46:54 2005 From: mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk (Mike Brodbelt) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:46:54 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Recovering ISOs from a FUBARed HDD In-Reply-To: <1118679556.2416.5.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> References: <1118679556.2416.5.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> Message-ID: <1118706414.5713.23.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 17:19 +0100, John Winters wrote: > Now my question - is there any way I could have done it if I hadn't had > the USB device to hand? Any way of getting those files over the network > using either Knoppix or the Sarge installation CD? If you've got a network up, netcat is nice, simple, and likely to be on many install disks. If you've got ssh you can just use it directly, with something like:- ssh user at remote.host "cat > destfile" < sourcefile The expect distribution apparently comes with an example program called ftp-inband that can copy files over a telnet or similar link, using just standard unix utils. If you've not got a network at all, there's also zmodem, which can be used over a serial line, or over a telnet or ssh connection. All that said though, given that USB mass storage support is getting fairly ubiquitous these days, and 1Gb plus USB key devices are no longer too expensive, the USB option is fast becoming the simplest path, IMHO. You need nothing more than USB hardware, kernel support, and filesystem utils. Also, with USB available as an install medium, practically all the installers out there support USB attached storage. So, the various arcane methods are fun to contemplate, but in practice, I reach for a USB key any time I'm stuck without ssh/scp/ftp.... Mike. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From huw-l at moving-picture.com Fri Jun 24 14:37:53 2005 From: huw-l at moving-picture.com (Huw Lynes) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:37:53 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] lugradio live Message-ID: <1119623873.30806.3.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> just out of idle interest. Is anyone else going? http://www.lugradio.org/live/2005/ beer + linux = magic or possibly not. Huw -- | Huw Lynes | The Moving Picture Company | | System Administrator | 127 Wardour Street | |.........................| London, W1F 0NL | -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Thu Jun 2 15:38:26 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:38:26 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <20050601165939.GF13050@phaistos.bruce> (Bruce Richardson's message of "Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:59:39 +0100") References: <20050601064512.GD20742@shapero.com> <20050601165939.GF13050@phaistos.bruce> Message-ID: <87u0kgixal.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Bruce Richardson uttered the following: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 07:45:12AM +0100, Craig wrote: >> i've been using/testing/playing with spamassassin for a while and the only >> thing that bothers me about it is that it is damned slow and nails processing >> time. > > Are you using spamd/spamc or is your mta or procmail script invoking > spamassassin directly? There are quite a few things you can do to > improve the performance of spamassassin. Also, given that this is an aging 386: how much RAM does it have? If you're short and using spamc/spamd, you probably want to restrict the number of SA children to 1, or upgrade to SA trunk (from Subversion), as this has a number of invasive changes to use Apache-style preforking rather than round-robin preforking, drastically cutting memory use when the number of children is >1. Also note that spamd can run on a different machine than spamc: I use this to keep spam and virus scanning running on a larger machine behind the firewall, which is much faster than the firewall itself. > I unfortunately do not know how to turn cheese into gold. I discovered how recently: befriend the editor of a major dictionary. -- `Once again, I must remark on the far-reaching extent of my ladylike nature.' --- Rosie Taylor -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From agk at ukuug.org Tue Jun 28 19:37:21 2005 From: agk at ukuug.org (Alasdair G Kergon) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:37:21 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] FW: Linux 2005 Conference & Tutorials, Swansea, 4-7 August Message-ID: <20050628193721.GB18899@scooby.ox.compsoc.net> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Linux 2005 Conference & Tutorials, Swansea, Wales, Thur 4th - Sun 7th August ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Full details at http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2005/ * Early-bird discount is available only until Thursday 30th June * The event begins with a choice of tutorials on Thursday. Then the 2-track 3-day conference runs from Friday to Sunday. Tutorials on Thursday 4th August -------------------------------- Full Day: Advanced Networking Configuration - Steve Whitehouse, Dave Miller, Jamal Hadi Salim and Patrick Caulfield Half-Day: Advanced Shell Skills, using Zsh - Sven Guckes and Julius Plenz Half-day: Advanced Editing, using Vim - Sven Guckes and Julius Plenz Provisional Conference Programme: Friday 5th August - Sunday 7th August ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Networking and Security * Keynote - Dave Miller - Red Hat * Network Scheduling - Jamal Hadi Salim * Exploit Mitigation Techniques - Tom Cosgrove Virtualisation * Xen 3.0 & the Art of Virtualization - Ian Pratt - XenSource / Cambridge * Xen: Experiences & performance measurements - Ruediger Berlich - Karlsruhe * openMosix - Kris Buytaert * Linux on the POWER5 processor - Nigel Griffiths - IBM Applications * Music Recording, Production and Dist'n with Free Software - Ole Aamot * Remixing the Open Source radio show with LUGRadio - Jono Bacon * Software Defined Radio and GNU Radio - Bdale Garbee - HP / Debian * Video and Linux - Torsten Spindler - ETH Zurich * The coming geodata revolution - Steve Coast - xrefer.com * A Python Framework for Rapid Application Development - Katherine Goodwin and David Chan - Clockwork Software Systems * Managing Biomedical Images and Knowledge by Flickr Web Services - Siu-wai Leung - University of Edinburgh * A New Deal in Payroll Software using GNU/Linux and Python - John Pinner - Clockwork Software Systems * Mono and ASP.NET - Gonzalo Paniagua Javier - Novell * Exchange for Unix - myth or reality? - Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton Embedded Systems * Skyguard's Skyminder - the Free Software Community's GSM / GPS phone! - Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton Desktop * FreeNX - Virtualization of the Desktop - Fabian Franz - Univ of Karlsruhe * Hacking OpenOffice.org 2.0 - Michael Meeks - Novell * Cutting-edge Desktop-related Development Projects - Michael Meeks, Novell * Introduction to the GNUstep Project - Nicolas Roard Case Studies * A large linux deployment in education - Mike Banahan - Cutter Project * e-Government Internet - Chris Smith - netFluid Technology * Bringing F/L/OSS to the UK Gov't - Mark Taylor - Open Source Consortium Kernel * Linux and ACPI - power management - Matthew Garrett - Univ of Cambridge * The Linux Development Philosophy and Corporate Contributions - Christoph Hellwig - LST e.V. * Diagnosing System Hangs with lkcd & dprobes - Richard J Moore - IBM * Adopting a driver - from fixing typos to breaking thousands of machines worldwide - Matthew Wilcox - Hewlett Packard * UnionFS: Knoppix (Re)writable - Fabian Franz - University of Karlsruhe Productivity * Vim Feature Show - Sven Guckes * Zsh rules! - Sven Guckes Systems Administration * Preseeding Debian GNU/Linux for automated installations - Philip Hands * FAI - the Fully Automatic Installation - Thomas Lange - Univ of Cologne * Jigdo - Spreading the load of CD/DVD downloads - Steve McIntyre - Debian If you book on or before Thursday 30th June you can take advantage of the Early Bird rates e.g. just 40 pounds for the 3-day conference (50% discount) or just 10 pounds for students. (If you're not already a UKUUG member, you'll need to add the membership fee to this - details on website.) There are also still opportunities for sponsors and exhibitors: contact office at ukuug.org for details. Web: http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2005/ Email: office at ukuug.org Tel: +44 1763 273 475 Event sponsored by Red Hat, Astaro Internet Security and i.t.wales. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dani at enplater.com Tue Jun 28 15:27:27 2005 From: dani at enplater.com (Dani Pardo) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:27:27 +0200 Subject: [Gllug] OpenOffice question In-Reply-To: <20050628145826.GA32562@furbychan.cocan.org> References: <20050628145826.GA32562@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <42C16C5F.7040806@enplater.com> Richard Jones wrote: > Much as I dislike using OpenOffice ... > > What I want to do is edit a document in native (.xsi) format, but keep > a parallel version in Powerpoint (.ppt) format. We use the native > version in the office - since we all use OpenOffice - and occasionally > send the Powerpoint version to outside people. > > At the moment, I have to periodically do "Save As" Powerpoint, then > remember next time to "Save As" native format - if I don't remember > this latter step, bad things happen when my documents get out of > synch. > > Is it possible to have the "Save" button save in both formats? Create a macro that saves in xsi, and then saves in .ppt. Now put the macro in the menu you prefer. Is that an option? I've not tried it, but I think it should work. -- Dani Pardo, dani at enplater.com Enplater S.A -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at sinodun.org.uk Sat Jun 11 09:25:43 2005 From: john at sinodun.org.uk (John Winters) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:25:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] How to tell grub where to find menu.lst Message-ID: <1118481944.4196.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Grub's copious but practically useless documentation has defeated me again. I've restored a system using Mondo (actually, I'm trying to duplicate a system onto a new HDD but that's not really relevant). At the final point Mondo said, "Failed to install grub boot loader" so I'm having to do it manually. I've got to the point where grub is installed in the MBR, but it always boots to the grub command prompt and I have to type in the "root", "kernel" and "initrd" bits manually. /boot/grub/menu.lst exists, but grub doesn't seem to know about it. The instructions say to use grub-install but it fails every time, apparently because the system doesn't have a floppy disc drive. I use the command: grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda but it seems to ignore the "--no-floppy" bit and just sits in a loop, trying and failing to access the non-existent fdd. The system continually logs errors accessing /dev/fd0. I can get into the grub shell with: grub --no-floppy and here the "--no-floppy" parameter seems to be honoured, but I can't discover how to tell grub to remember where menu.lst is. The really irritating thing is that I did find some instructions on how to it the other day (not in the main Grub documentation) when I didn't have access to the relevant machine. Now I have access to the machine again I can't find the instructions. I'm sure it's very simple. Could some kind soul enlighten me please? TIA, John -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Wed Jun 22 11:35:49 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:35:49 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... In-Reply-To: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> References: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> Message-ID: <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> John Hearns wrote: >Just out today. >http://www.top500.org/sublist/System.php?id=7491 >Almost Top 100, and the fastest cluster using gigabit ethernet >as an interconnect. Woohoo! > >We're the systems integrators and HPC experts on this system. >Time spent with my head inside racks in Nottingham well spent. >Got any galaxies to simulate, gov? > > > That must be running the GPL'd version of Solaris then, eh ? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mailman-owner at gllug.org.uk Wed Jun 1 04:00:14 2005 From: mailman-owner at gllug.org.uk (mailman-owner at gllug.org.uk) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 05:00:14 +0100 Subject: gllug.org.uk mailing list memberships reminder Message-ID: This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your gllug.org.uk mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. You can visit the URLs to change your membership status or configuration, including unsubscribing, setting digest-style delivery or disabling delivery altogether (e.g., for a vacation), and so on. 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Passwords for gllug at positive-internet.com: List Password // URL ---- -------- gllug at gllug.org.uk fishcake http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/options/gllug/gllug%40positive-internet.com From joel at fysh.org Wed Jun 8 14:16:50 2005 From: joel at fysh.org (Joel Bernstein) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:16:50 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <51391.195.190.132.207.1118240233.squirrel@webmail.morsing.org> References: <51391.195.190.132.207.1118240233.squirrel@webmail.morsing.org> Message-ID: <20050608141650.GL19591@fysh.org> On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 03:17:13PM +0100, Henrik Morsing wrote: > > I'm still wondering why I can't get more than 256k upload speed on > broadband lines. Where is the restriction? ISP? Wires? > Am I the only one wanting a 1M upload speed? You can get up to half a megabit quite easily. If you need a higher upstream bandwidth then you should look into SDSL or leased line solutions. I believe that there may be technical restrictions on how much upstream bandwidth can be allocated while still retaining sufficient bandwidth for a voice call, but that's pure conjecture. I seem to recall that SDSL doesn't leave the voice line free for calls. I reckon that, largely, companies don't offer high-bandwidth upload on ADSL services for 2 reasons: 1) most users don't need it or even have any use for it 2) offering 'domestic' priced services with enterprise-quality upstream will severely impact the sales of higher-bandwidth services. In short - they don't do it because you don't need it. And if you do, they want you to buy a premium service. Does that make sense? /joel -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From addw at phcomp.co.uk Mon Jun 13 19:47:53 2005 From: addw at phcomp.co.uk (Alain Williams) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:47:53 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] mysql binary logs In-Reply-To: References: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42ADDB05.3050401@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: <20050613194753.GF16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 08:23:03PM +0100, Steve Nelson wrote: > On 6/13/05, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > > Alain Williams wrote: > > > The database itself works (queries/selects) -- I just can't get the logging to appear to do anything. > > > > A read only operation wouldn't need to write a log. > > Well - not quite. You might want to log SELECT statements and queries > for auditing, app profiling, gathering information for optimisation > etc. > > The binary log doesn't log things which don't change the database, > since it is used for granular recovery and replication. > > If you want to log all statements (for example, to identify a problem > query) you should use the general query log - see: > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/Query_log.html Ahah !! Something in there provided the clue ... the correct section is not ''[mysql.server]'' or ''[mysqld_safe]'' but ''[mysqld]''. I knew that it had to be something stupid. I still don't see why passing it as an argument to mysqld_safe didn't work. Thanks all! -- Alain Williams Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Linux Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 #include -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A glitch perhaps? gnd.co.uk TXT "On Hold" Forgot to pay a bill, maybe? -- David Damerell Kill the tomato! Today is First Friday, Presuary. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Thu Jun 16 13:37:37 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:37:37 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] to-do list manager tui or gui for debian In-Reply-To: <20050616122308.GF14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> (Ben Fitzgerald's message of "Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:23:08 +0100") References: <20050616122308.GF14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> Message-ID: Ben Fitzgerald writes: > Hi, > > can anyone on the list recommend a to-do list manager that is packaged > for debian? I use ackerTodo: the author has filed an ITP himself, but it took me about 3 minutes to install. Also webnote: single web page of sticky notes. cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jack.richards at gnu-solutions.com Mon Jun 13 13:56:02 2005 From: jack.richards at gnu-solutions.com (Jack Richards) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:56:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] [YA-OT] PA-RISC D-Class 9000 References: <42AD909A.3070105@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <7226213.1118670961983.SLOX.WebMail.wwwrun@mailserver.gnu-solutions.com> Looks like its stuck at The ISL. is there an error code on the LCD, if so, google for it. Most UX boxes in this state either need booting to single user mode and fsck'ing followed by a reboot, or, it can't load the IPL off the disk, in which case you've dropped a disk. The console ( connected via the serial port ) is your friend. email me off line if you want to talk about this, I used to be an HP 9K consultant. Jack On Jun 13, 2005 03:02 PM, t.clarke wrote: > Re machine not come up correctly:- > > What does ps -ef say is running ? > > If nothing critical is running, I would probably unmount all unused filesystems, > and use the 'reboot' command ! > > Tim > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please accept our apology. We should be obliged if you would email info at gnu-solutions.com by return and inform us. Thank you. GNU Solutions Ltd and the GNU Solutions Device are registered tradmarks of GNU Solutions Ltd.Gazelle Retail Hardened Linux, UpStart and the devices are registered trademarks of GNU Solutions Ltd. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Mon Jun 13 21:09:57 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:09:57 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] mysql binary logs In-Reply-To: <20050613210728.GA5699@xiao.rsnet> References: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42ADDB05.3050401@hinterlands.org> <42ADE4C8.4070308@hinterlands.org> <20050613210728.GA5699@xiao.rsnet> Message-ID: <42ADF625.3010003@hinterlands.org> Russell Howe wrote: > I thought MySQL didn't do subselects? Maybe later versions do... SELECTing into a temporary table is different to a subselect. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Thu Jun 9 10:14:44 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:14:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Henrik Morsing wrote: > > Freedom 2 Surf will soon be offering up to 832Kb/s upload (and 8Mb/s down) > > > > http://www.f2s.net/adsl/8mbit.php > > Sounds good. I'll ask Jason to do the same ;-) 8Mb services are not yet available through our wholesale suppliers. I don't foresee them being available via that route any time soon so I have identified another supplier who may be better suited to that requirement although it's not going to be available in the short term. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ ADSL Broadband from just ?15.99 / month -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Wed Jun 22 22:37:40 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:37:40 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] x.org 6.8.2 and backspace In-Reply-To: <20050622171204.GA27304@furbychan.cocan.org> (Richard Jones's message of "Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:12:04 +0100") References: <20050622171204.GA27304@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <87ekauuiff.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Richard Jones yowled: > > I upgraded to X.Org 6.8.2 and everything works well, except the bloody > backspace-generates-^H bug-from-hell which I remember last affected > Unix workstations circa '92 has reappeared! What key does xev say is generated when you hit backspace? If it's not BackSpace, the problem is Xkb (unlikely, but I've seen it happen): otherwise, it's readline and/or the terminal emulator to blame. -- `It's as bizarre an intrusion as, I don't know, the hobbits coming home to find that the Shire has been taken over by gangsta rappers.' -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dwilson at unixdaemon.net Fri Jun 10 11:48:49 2005 From: dwilson at unixdaemon.net (Dean Wilson) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:48:49 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Final Reminder: GLLUG 11th June 2005 Meeting Tomorrow! Message-ID: <20050610114849.GA21888@unixdaemon.net> This is the final reminder for the June 11th GLLUG and we're up to four very interesting talks. If you are on any mailing lists that may find any of these talks interesting please forward this email on. The nearest tube stations are Great Portland Street, Warren Street and Goodge Street. Tottenham Court Road and Oxford Circus are also within easy walking distance. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?postcode2map?W1W+6UW This event is FREE to members and non-members. You can find details for this meeting at: http://gllug.org.uk/meeting-20050611.html http://www.unixdaemon.net/gllug_20050611.html Dean -- Dean Wilson http://www.unixdaemon.net Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Thu Jun 23 16:05:55 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:05:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... In-Reply-To: <1119447982.17734.38.camel@Vigor11> References: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> <42B96BB4.7030409@hoshy.co.uk> <1119447982.17734.38.camel@Vigor11> Message-ID: <42BADDE3.9060909@hoshy.co.uk> John Hearns wrote: >>I may look up this low latency gigabit magic of which you speak though. >>Sounds interesting. >> >> > >No need to Google. SCore is public domain >http://www.pccluster.org >To be honest the documentation there isn't great... > > > Cheers. I'll have a read. Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Wed Jun 1 14:41:26 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:41:26 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Satellite net access Message-ID: <200506011441.j51EfRWk022953@isengard.accucard.com> Does anyone have experience of satellite net access in the UK? Having spent the week in the wilds of Santa Pod, there are no fixed phone lines, and mobile coverage is patchy at best, so net access was tricky. Satellite would appear to be the obvious solution. What hardware would I need? Ideally I'd want to avoid a huge fixed dish. Can you get portable (briefcase sized) dishes? Do they work well? Which providers should I look at? Google gives a load of options, but it's always good to hear first hand reports from satisfied (or dissatisfied) customers to help the decision making process. We have a generator, so power isn't a problem. Are there any other solutions to look at apart from satellite? We will potentially be travelling around Europe next year, so something that worked outside of the UK as well would be good (primarily in the Scandinavian countries at the moment). Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Sat Jun 25 21:04:26 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:04:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, Jason Clifford wrote: > > > UKFSN can offer a 2Mb line for ??19.99 / month which includes 30GB of > > > daytime (8am - 10pm) bandwidth and 300GB of evening and weekend bandwidth > > > I am writing the page for the MAX Allowance product which provides the > above service in another xterm. As there is more information to include > with this than with the others it needs a little extra time to make sure > the page is right. Give me 20 minutes ;) And it's all done now. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ 2Mb ADSL Broadband from just ?14.98 / month -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Fri Jun 10 07:21:57 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:21:57 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] New hard disk needed - nearby suppliers? In-Reply-To: <20050610064238.GA25519@tinsleyviaduct.com> References: <20050609211559.GA15607@tinsleyviaduct.com> <20050610064238.GA25519@tinsleyviaduct.com> Message-ID: <20050610072156.GA5631@xiao.rsnet> On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 07:42:38AM +0100, Phil Reynolds wrote: > In fact, that is probably more "Central Middlesex" - though not too bad > from here. Do you have to collect it personally? I have made orders with www.aria.co.uk at about 2pm, and they have been despatched in under 2 hours and arrived the next day. The delivery charge is a bit of a pain if you're only ordering something small cheap, but other than that, I don't really see the point in buying in London & the surrounding area. The price most places around here charge, it's probably cheaper to get online anyhow, even with the shipping charge. -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pdr at createservices.com Mon Jun 13 16:02:24 2005 From: pdr at createservices.com (Pete Ryland) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:02:24 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [YA-OT] PA-RISC D-Class 9000 - further info In-Reply-To: <42ADA7EF.4050802@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42AD909A.3070105@hoshy.co.uk> <42ADA7EF.4050802@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050613160224.GA27975@createservices.com> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 04:36:15PM +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > I'm in the SAM admin program but I can't for the life of me figure out > how to exit it. I've found a user guide for it on the hp website but it > contains mostly info on the X version and no information on how to exit. The X version is the same binary as the menu-driven one and has the same function essentially. It's been about five years since I last used SAM, but IIRC, from the console, the magic key is F5 (or maybe F10). Pete -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 18 18:58:34 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:58:34 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] proxy-arp and a vpn In-Reply-To: <1119054440.12652.76.camel@localhost> References: <1119041813.12652.22.camel@localhost> <42B33A39.6040807@hinterlands.org> <1119054440.12652.76.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1119121114.3856.13.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-06-18 at 01:27 +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > Both have the same ip address, Why? Does that even work? Why not just have them on different networks and enable forwarding? Seems to me that would be simpler -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jun 7 18:47:54 2005 From: chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk (Christopher Hunter) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:47:54 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> Message-ID: <200506071947.54643.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> On Tuesday 07 Jun 2005 13:51, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > Prices for flash memory seem to be coming down every week or two. I > notice Scan has a 4 gig CF for 160 quid. Insane! So I'm thinking, how > long until we see flash-only laptops? Imagine the battery life! > > So then I got thinking, how about retrofitting it into an existing > laptop? How hard could it be? > > There are IDE-CF adapters. Would they fit the laptop conectors? > > What about flash wearing? Can you use file systems like jffs for the > root FS? And do they have any impact through an IDE-CF interface? > > This is really just a thought experiment, but curious to know if it's > possible. It's probably perfectly possible, but the longevity of Flash RAM is poor. You also wouldn't want it to handle something write-intensive like /swap! The power consumption of the laptop wouldn't be massively reduced, either. It's the screen back light that seems to draw the most current! Chris -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 28 16:55:50 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:55:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Mail servers on FC4 In-Reply-To: <200506281728.18552.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: On Tue 28 Jun, Pip wrote: > > Sorry if it's wasted your time. > Not at all. I have not tried Dovecot, but about the third reference I found in Google appeared to give examples. -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From richard_c at tpg.com.au Wed Jun 29 15:26:58 2005 From: richard_c at tpg.com.au (Richard) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:26:58 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] tree spanning algorithms/libraries In-Reply-To: <87mzp919mo.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> References: <200506291321.j5TDLqKo001133@isengard.accucard.com> <42C2AC55.6070309@tpg.com.au> <87mzp919mo.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <42C2BDC2.8090300@tpg.com.au> Nix wrote: >Use Mercury, then. A declarative language with sane syntax and an > > You know, the problem with Prolog's syntax started when it was designed by a Frenchman who couldn't stomach the idea of ever using 'if' :D Richard -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From steve at pauken.co.uk Mon Jun 27 23:44:00 2005 From: steve at pauken.co.uk (Stephen Harker) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:44:00 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <200506271333.07376.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> References: <200506271131.j5RBVCjB028682@isengard.accucard.com> <200506271239.32997.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> <20050627121707.GN29374@thebowery.co.uk> <200506271333.07376.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> Message-ID: <42C08F40.9010102@pauken.co.uk> Caparo wrote: > Hmm, > It seems then I have been lucky in all the years in IT of never having to > deal with anyone but the odd IT challanged individual. Mind you I am a hands > on guy who paid regular visits to the clientel and having met me the idea of > threatening me seemed to be very remote. Being 6'2" and 200+lb and ex > regiment does have its compensations. I am 6'6" and 18 stone and I have to say that correlates quite strongly with my experience as well :-) Steve -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 11:33:07 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:33:07 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 6/25/05, Liam Smit wrote: > Hi > > Bulldog tends to push the envolope. Whilst incentivizing the resources to grow their bandwidth to their end-state vision? > Liam S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 19:29:58 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:29:58 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki In-Reply-To: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: On 6/12/05, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > Thinking in terms of users ease of use and installers' programmatic > power which is the best IYNSHO? I really like twiki - easy to install, fast and slimline. Moinmoin seems featureful, but there's currently a bug in the debian package, so I've not tried the recent versions. The older versions had a terrible default stylesheet, and were so ugly and clunky that I actually disliked using them. Depending on what you want to achive, and what sort of features you need, there are lots of other options, varying in size and complexity of setup. You may want to consider if you want to have a relational database back-end - many wikis support this, or just go for flatfile. On a personal note - while I've never installed it myself, the two best wikis I have ever seen (in terms of how they look) and used (in terms of their interface, speed of use and feature set) were both phpwiki + mysql. I've actuallly helped write a very simple wiki in python which uses sqlite as its backend - its still not really even alpha quality, but I've used it at work, and it did ok. In the next few months it may reach beta level - we'll see. Good luck. :-) > I have installed php-wiki a few times now, but really like the look of > this (Phython-based) one: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ (as used here > for a nicer front end: http://www.linux-sh.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi). Indeed - the newer moinmoin looks excellent - and its written in Python, so it must be good ;-) > Adrian McMenamin S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Tue Jun 14 11:29:03 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:29:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Dirty phishing ph***ers In-Reply-To: <42AEC0F4.50608@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Jun 2005, Ashley Evans wrote: > What's the most effective way to report: http://202.213.254.13/rpm/ > > I received an imitation Halifax "update information" email Pass the details to Halifax and let them deal with it. Generally they'll have the resources necessary to chase the matter more effectively. Jason -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From bredroll at darkspace.org.uk Thu Jun 16 17:24:06 2005 From: bredroll at darkspace.org.uk (Ian Norton) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:24:06 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Find non-7-bit characters in files In-Reply-To: <20050616170244.GA13235@furbychan.cocan.org> References: <20050616170244.GA13235@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <20050616172406.GC20807@earth.dsh.org.uk> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 06:02:44PM +0100, Richard Jones wrote: > Here's a small Thursday afternoon puzzler for everyone. > > I hae a large number of files (HTML files in fact, not that it > matters). A clueless^Wevil web monkey^Wdesigner has hidden bytes in > them that are in the range 0x80 - 0xff, so the files aren't valid > UTF-8. > > I want to find those characters. Preferably quickly from the command > line. > > I tried various combinations of egrep with the [:print:] character, > but to no avail. > convmv http://j3e.de/linux/convmv/ enjoy -- Ian Norton-Badrul -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From bealers at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 11:52:40 2005 From: bealers at gmail.com (Darren Beale) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:52:40 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] VMware how do I access the guest when there is no host network connection? In-Reply-To: <1118142466.5212.6.camel@localhost> References: <580806e9050607033731154e78@mail.gmail.com> <1118142466.5212.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <580806e905060704525d452abe@mail.gmail.com> > Set the VM to use host-only networking (or did you already do that?), do /me shuffles feet nervously Whilst I had played with the settings and disabled bridging elsewhere, I hadn't spotted that option. I tried again and found it and then it Just Worked ta -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Thu Jun 2 13:23:13 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:23:13 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: (Jason Clifford's message of "Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:17:28 +0100 (BST)") References: Message-ID: Jason Clifford writes: > You are trusting that all other MTAs and MUAs do the "right thing". > Experience shows that the larger the ISP, the more likely their MTA f's up, and the more likely your vital client is with that ISP... > this sometimes is not the case. oh yes. cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pdr at createservices.com Fri Jun 10 14:10:55 2005 From: pdr at createservices.com (Pete Ryland) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:10:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <87y89izfsp.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> <42A85E64.9020703@pigeonhold.com> <87y89izfsp.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <20050610141055.GB19394@createservices.com> On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 11:07:02AM +0100, Nix wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jun 2005, Doug Winter wrote: > > Joel Bernstein wrote: > >> That's not a valid form for an RFC2822 address. It should be: > >> "Firstname Surname" or simply . > > > > Actually, there is one other acceptable (however ancient and deprecated) > > form you do see occasionally: > > > > mailbox at domain.com (Firstname Surname) > > You can do both, in any order. This is valid: > > "Nix" nix at esperi.org.uk (The Immortal and All-Powerful One) Ok, we all know you're the top techy around here, but "Immortal and All-Powerful" too? Pete -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Wed Jun 22 14:56:29 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:56:29 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] MP3-CDs In-Reply-To: <20050621141600.GI31427@fysh.org> (Joel Bernstein's message of "Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:16:00 +0100") References: <42B8205F.2000800@ucl.ac.uk> <20050621141600.GI31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: Joel Bernstein writes: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 03:12:47PM +0100, Robert Bannocks wrote: >> >> >> Thanks, - I take it the directory will become the album name? > > I wouldn't assume that at all. If you're lucky the player will read > track metadata from the ID3 tags. My experience has been: The order of the directories on the CD might not be what you think it is. The order of the files in the directory might not be what you think it is. "Random" play might well not work very well with directories. (I find random is normally tolerable on "one big directory with all the files in" CD's.) Oh: and I tend to use xcdroast or k3b to burn. > >> Is there any significance to the nameing of the files? > > Uh... Depends on your player software. RTFM. TRy it and see. Simplest trick: number the files 01_Artist_Album_TrackName 02_Artist_Album_TrackName 03_Artist_Album_TrackName ... cheers, Rich. > > HTH, > > /joel > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Wed Jun 8 17:23:19 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:23:19 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:17:13 BST." <51391.195.190.132.207.1118240233.squirrel@webmail.morsing.org> Message-ID: <200506081723.j58HNJx6026589@isengard.accucard.com> "Henrik Morsing" writes: >I'm still wondering why I can't get more than 256k upload speed on >broadband lines. Where is the restriction? ISP? Wires? >Am I the only one wanting a 1M upload speed? Freedom 2 Surf will soon be offering up to 832Kb/s upload (and 8Mb/s down) http://www.f2s.net/adsl/8mbit.php Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 16:46:04 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:46:04 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050625161855.GA4554@heaney> References: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <20050625161855.GA4554@heaney> Message-ID: On 6/25/05, Mark Hill wrote: > The last time I looked, (about a year ago), their nntp server wasn't > very good (dropping posts), but I've never found any ISP to have a good > usenet service. It may have improved since then. Actually the Demon usenet service was excellent. > Having said that, I'm looking around at other providers for a 2Mb > service, as I think Zen's pricing is a bit high. (I'm currently on > 512Kb.) I'm a bit concerned however, that I'll end up with an ISP that's > not as half as a reliable as Zen. Absolutely. I happily pay the extra [0] because I'd rather the service be maximally available. > Mark Hill S. [0] Sorry... my generous employer pays..... -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jun 1 19:34:04 2005 From: chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk (Christopher Hunter) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:34:04 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Graduates paying for IT training before employment In-Reply-To: <20050601065457.GJ13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> References: <2899.82.32.42.43.1117573230.squirrel@webmail.pasty.org.uk> <20050601065457.GJ13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Message-ID: <200506012034.05003.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> On Wednesday 01 Jun 2005 07:54, Alain Williams wrote: > Something else that I remember a few years ago were companies that put > employees through training courses as part of their employment, but then > demanded that the employee repay the cost of any training if they left > within 3 years. This meant that to leave the company someone had to pay > several thousands for courses - some of which they never wanted to go on in > the first place. > > Does this sort of thing still happen ? I had a couple of prospective employers (about three years ago) try to write this into their contracts - so I presume that it's still happening. Needless to say, I declined both offers of employment, and went elsewhere (which turned out to be for the best anyway!) Chris -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mimo at gn.apc.org Sat Jun 4 12:18:38 2005 From: mimo at gn.apc.org (Michael Moritz) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:18:38 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Re: Installing Flash player on Debian In-Reply-To: References: <42A0C6D5.5050701@markpreston.co.uk> Message-ID: <200506041318.38618.mimo@gn.apc.org> On Saturday 04 June 2005 00:35, Peter Joanes wrote: > > I would like distributions to work to avoid this. I don't want to run an > installer on my system and hopefully I won't have to because it's easy > enough to integrate most programs (even proprietary) with the native > package management scheme. > I want to be able to find out which package a file belongs to, i.e. in this > case, like this: > # equery b /usr/lib32/nsbrowser/plugins/flashplayer.xpt > [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib32/nsbrowser/plugins/flashplayer.xpt in > *... ] net-www/netscape-flash-7.0.25 > I use checkinstall alot for these reasons. It creates a package (deb or rpm) from what happens during e.g. a make install. mimo -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From aaron.trevena at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 10:27:01 2005 From: aaron.trevena at gmail.com (Aaron Trevena) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:27:01 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/28/05, Chris Bell wrote: > I have seen a report that biometric visa applications may be outsourced > to India. Perhaps we should outsource the UK government as well, with all > the benefits of lower costs, yet having absolutely no detrimental effects? Yes, as we have recently heard, it's so much easier to spot any identify theft and fraud when the office is > 1000 miles away and in a developing country known to be vulnerable to bribes and corruption. And they want EDS to do the ID Cards, because they have done *such* a good job before on government projects too... I want to complain about this opposition party what I voted for here not long ago A. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Wed Jun 22 14:04:03 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:04:03 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... In-Reply-To: <1119447982.17734.38.camel@Vigor11> References: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> <42B96BB4.7030409@hoshy.co.uk> <1119447982.17734.38.camel@Vigor11> Message-ID: <1119449043.17734.48.camel@Vigor11> I stand corrected on an earlier claim. That's the fastest Opteron/gigabit ethernet cluster. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From essuu at ourshack.com Fri Jun 3 09:42:54 2005 From: essuu at ourshack.com (Simon Wilcox) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:42:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Poor disk performance on IDE raid In-Reply-To: <429F9350.9090202@hinterlands.org> References: <429F9350.9090202@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > Not wishing to be harsh, but if your system relies on low latency I/O > then you have barely picked a worse setup. I agree but these are nodes in a web cluster so it's not critical, I was just a little surprised to see it being quite so slow. > If you want low latency with RAID then you need more spindles. Indeed, I often have trouble explaining to the $client why it is better to use more smaller disks than fewer big ones. Simon. -- "I'm not happy with my wash!" -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 18 10:26:25 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:26:25 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] proxy-arp and a vpn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1119090385.5972.9.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2005-06-18 at 08:53 +0100, Chris Bell wrote: > On Sat 18 Jun, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > > > > > > > I have an old Compaq laptop with 2 wireless cards, close enough to an > > ADSL router for a wireless connection. One wireless card talks to the > > router, one to my Thinkpad. Both have the same ip address, and I use > > proxy-arp to enable the Thinkpad, which has the address 192.168.2.200, > > to reach ADSL router and the internet beyond (obviously, the ADSL router > > is doing NAT) > > > > I have a couple of ancient boxes running Debian with the bridge utils > package. One has two, the other three, network cards, all in promiscuous > mode, with IP tables filtering. The bridge utils package sets up an > invisible bridge with no visible IP address for the bridged FORWARD traffic, > while access to the box itself requires knowledge of the bridge IP address, > and can be restricted to just one or two boxes to allow limited admin > access. Bridging with wireless cards isn't straightforward, the cards need to get into master mode. There's a chance the HermesAP driver will work in my case, I will give it a try when I'm feeling brave. Regards, Tom ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 17:46:53 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:46:53 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Recovering ISOs from a FUBARed HDD In-Reply-To: <1118679556.2416.5.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> References: <1118679556.2416.5.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> Message-ID: On 6/13/05, John Winters wrote: > Now my question - is there any way I could have done it if I hadn't had > the USB device to hand? Any way of getting those files over the network > using either Knoppix or the Sarge installation CD? Using netcat: On a spare machine (we'll call this the server) $ nc -v -w 30 -p 5600 l- > filename.recovered On the workstation: $ nc -v -w 2 192.168.1.10 5600 < filename ie We setup a pipeline between client and server and then pipe data from the client to the server. NB use of the -w option (wait) helps with reliability. If you're paranoid about security, there is an encrypted netcat available, which is, I believe, just a binary, so you could just get the binary using your knoppix distro, and use that. > John S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Thu Jun 2 14:54:48 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:54:48 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] He doesn't give up... In-Reply-To: References: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> Message-ID: <20050602145447.GD24974@rumble.net> This one time, at band camp, Steve Nelson wrote: > Does he actually have a massive anti-linux chip(shop) on his shoulder? > Or is he just a bitch? Err, no, he's just a know-nothing moron. I used to be an IT journalist and know the type. They know well how to generate controversy, and are skilled at quietly giving coverage to those who've handed out the junkets. Nice junket that one, trip to Geneva and all. We once got an invite to some incredibly boring HP announcement (I think it was a strategic alliance with Netscape) that was held at the nicest restaurant in Sydney (this is Sydney-based publications, mind). Surprise, surprise, every invite resulted in a journo turning up. I think I ended up writing three lines about it to justify the boozy afternoon to my editor. -- Rev Simon Rumble www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Nerds need vacations too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ God is real, unless declared integer. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mike.leigh at hornbill.com Thu Jun 16 10:22:25 2005 From: mike.leigh at hornbill.com (Mike Leigh) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:22:25 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Support for thunderbird Message-ID: <1B70CC9B5A120A4881CF4070B6E05EF632CF34@hslukmail.uk.hornbill.com> > How can I make it *not* mark mails as read when selecting > them. There's an option in the Advanced settings but it > doesn't seem to work. It's annoying me because it's the only > thing stopping me migrating 25users from Outlook. I just tried the same thing and you are right. With the option turned off as soon as you click the mail it marks it as read. A workaround could be to use the mark as read feature and set the time limit to 99999999. Also did you know that you can use the 'm' key to toggle the mark as read status. Also try searching the bugzilla database to see if this is an existing bug. Thanks Mike -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mpcooke3 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 22:25:49 2005 From: mpcooke3 at hotmail.com (Matthew Cooke) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:25:49 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Linux -> windows issues In-Reply-To: <1118419932.23121.31.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1118419932.23121.31.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <42AA136D.9040603@hotmail.com> Adrian McMenamin wrote: >On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 17:04 +0100, Matthew Cooke wrote: > > >>I'm getting desperate so I thought I'd see if anyone could help despite this >>really being a windows issue. >>I have jmDNS (a java multicast DNS implementation) running as part of an >>application I'm developing. In linux the multicast DNS works ok but I can't >>seem to get it to work under Windows XP. >> >> > > >Do you mean this works if the server is on Linux but not if it is on XP? >Or something else like it works for Linux clients but not XP clients? > > The linux boxes and windows boxes are all on the same switch. MDNS is being used for discovery and the linux machines all discover each other. the windows machines neither discover each other OR the the linux machines. The system is peer-to-peer so there is no client/server in the traditional sense. >>Using Ethereal I can see packets being sent to 224.0.0.251 but I never seem >>to receive them on another windows XP machine. The windows firewalls are all >>turned off. >> >> > > >And you can ping these boxes from the server? I know that is teaching >you how to suck eggs and all, but you have to ask... > > All the machines can ping each other yes. I don't have much experience debugging multicast problems so I don't know if I can test the 224.0.0.251 multicasting in windows directly. Matt. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Thu Jun 23 21:20:51 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:20:51 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki In-Reply-To: References: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050623212051.GA27470@furbychan.cocan.org> Why go abroad when you can buy the same service from a UK company?! Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martyn at drake.org.uk Thu Jun 9 13:07:21 2005 From: martyn at drake.org.uk (Martyn Drake) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:07:21 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <42A83F09.8080907@drake.org.uk> Ashley Evans wrote: > I'm asking here because I'm sure more than a few of you have moved from > Exchange to Postfix, or other Linux mailserver. > > Migrated from MS mailserver, still using outlook* at a client. > some people are having their outgoing messages blocked by addresses with > square brackets, I'm familiar with using <> in email addresses but not []. > * not for long!!! Can you give us an example? Square brackets are used for domain literals like this: martyn@[66.29.2.129] It depends on your mail server configuration as to whether it'll accept them or not. Regards, Martyn -- Martyn Drake http://www.drake.org.uk -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Fri Jun 3 14:45:46 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 15:45:46 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Installing Flash player on Debian In-Reply-To: <20050603135831.GB18818@furbychan.cocan.org> References: <20050603133027.GA15290@furbychan.cocan.org> <20050603132944.GF29830@rumble.net> <20050603134710.GB15290@furbychan.cocan.org> <20050603134800.GG29830@rumble.net> <20050603135831.GB18818@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <20050603144546.GA20638@furbychan.cocan.org> The "solution", if you can call it such, was to blow away the ~/.mozilla folder and reinstall Firefox completely. Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 15:34:43 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:34:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: References: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: On 6/25/05, Chris Bell wrote: > On Sat 25 Jun, Joel Bernstein wrote: > > > > > > > Incidentally, suggestions of anybody else who can provide preferably LLU > > DSL in London NW6 accepted gratefully. When I lived in NW6 I used Demon - was very reliable, and decent value. My only gripe with them was their incompetence when I moved house - they overbilled me, and made a mess of transitioning my domain. I eventually got so pissed off I moved to Zen. So far (about 4 months) I've been impressed - no technical problems and no administrative problems. I had a local line failure at the BT exchange, and the Zen techies were very clueful and supportive in diagnosing the fault. On that basis I would recommened Zen over Demon. S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martyn at drake.org.uk Wed Jun 1 12:46:59 2005 From: martyn at drake.org.uk (Martyn Drake) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:46:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Graduates paying for IT training before employment In-Reply-To: References: <2899.82.32.42.43.1117573230.squirrel@webmail.pasty.org.uk> <20050601065457.GJ13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Message-ID: <429DAE43.1010604@drake.org.uk> Steve Nelson wrote: > Dunno. We do a lot of training. Until recently this was all paid for > up-front by the company. The accountants have spotted this, and now > require employees to pay for their training and then expense it. The > idea, presumably, being that people will either not bother at all, or > forget to claim. I think its also designed to ensure a higher 'pass' > rate - if the employee has to pay for the exam themselves, they'd > better be sure they'll pass first time. Throughout my entire career I've never been on any training courses. When I set-up a local ISP in Norwich I did it by myself through reading books, experimenting and a little help from the ISP providing us with the connectivity and a few other contacts. And that's how I've got through these things since. There has been much talk about courses for this in the companies I've worked for since and regardless of whatever company I've worked for the net result has been that there hasn't been enough money, not enough staff to cover, there's no need and so on. I reckon I must have spent a fortune on training myself through books over the past ten years and buying/hiring equipment and software and teaching myself to use it. But I think it's been worth it. There are a few courses I would like to do (particularly in the Red Hat area) but the chances of me actually being able going on them whether company-sponsored or having to pay for it myself are slim to nowt. But I've got this far without any RedHat Certficiation (and likewise for CCNA or any of the other Cisco courses) so I'm not particularly concerned at this time. M. -- Martyn Drake http://www.drake.org.uk -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Mon Jun 6 22:27:08 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:27:08 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> (Martin A. Brooks's message of "Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:01:08 +0100") References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: "Martin A. Brooks" writes: > Debian 3.1 is released. > > http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 'Kinnel. That came as a shock. cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at sinodun.org.uk Tue Jun 21 17:08:38 2005 From: john at sinodun.org.uk (John Winters) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:08:38 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] proxy-arp and a vpn In-Reply-To: <17080.13600.990866.580614@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> References: <1119041813.12652.22.camel@localhost> <42B33A39.6040807@hinterlands.org> <17080.13600.990866.580614@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> Message-ID: <1119373719.7051.12.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 16:41 +0100, Peter Grandi wrote: [snip] > Ah, hear hear! Quite similar to what I was thinking :-) In case > it may be useful for giving to people who ask vague questions, I > have summarized my suggestions on how to ask questions (especially > but not just on IRC) in page at this URL: > > http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html > > and I think these suggestions are a lot better than ESR's ;-). Some time ago I made a suggestion to ESR for an addition to his page. He rejected it and seemed to think I was imagining a non-existent problem. I'll offer it to you anyway - something along the lines of: If someone asks you to perform a diagnostic step or to provide additional information in order to solve your problem, do exactly what they've asked you to do and provide exactly the information they've asked for. Don't just give some other information instead which you think might be helpful or repeat the original question in a different way. *Don't* edit the information to remove the parts you "know" they don't need. Hmm. That didn't come out as well phrased as it did when I suggested it to ESR. Doubtless you can put it better, but I hope the point which I'm making is clear to those who have had to perform remote diagnostics where the bod at the keyboard won't give you the information you need. John -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Mon Jun 27 15:00:25 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:00:25 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: (Jason Clifford's message of "Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:13:05 +0100 (BST)") References: Message-ID: <87k6kfonee.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Jason Clifford suggested tentatively: > Go to google and search on Ian Keith Gomeche. He is worse than what's > written about him. Is this even possible? I mean he'd have to eat babies or something for that to be true... -- `I lost interest in "blade servers" when I found they didn't throw knives at people who weren't supposed to be in your machine room.' --- Peter da Silva -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 30 23:27:47 2005 From: mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk (Mike Brodbelt) Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 00:27:47 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] PDA GPRS Internet Connectivity In-Reply-To: <42C39EDA.2020803@archonet.com> References: <200506291321.j5TDLqKo001133@isengard.accucard.com> <42C2AC55.6070309@tpg.com.au><87mzp919mo.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <42C2BDC2.8090300@tpg.com.au> <007901c57cd1$8a3279a0$150010ac@kensnet> <42C39EDA.2020803@archonet.com> Message-ID: <1120174067.5743.6.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 08:27 +0100, Richard Huxton wrote: > > > > Anyway does any one here have the necessary incantations to put in the Palm > > and the Mobile to get this working. > > Since nobody else has replied, I'll share my memories. I got my old > Psion talking to the net through my Nokia 6310i over infrared. From > memory, you just treat it like a modem and use a dialup number of "*99#" > rather than a normal number. That would be data over GSM, not data over GPRS. To send your data over the GPRS connection you should just have to connect the Palm to the phone. The network settings should be on the SIM card in the phone, and will not be user modifiable. I've only done this with a Treo 650 and T-Mobile though, so I can't give you any specific advice... Mike. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Thu Jun 9 14:41:33 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:41:33 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> Message-ID: <42A8551D.7080904@hoshy.co.uk> Joel Bernstein wrote: >On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 03:11:03PM +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > > >>Ashley Evans wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I'm asking here because I'm sure more than a few of you have moved >>> >>> >>>from Exchange to Postfix, or other Linux mailserver. >> >> >>>Migrated from MS mailserver, still using outlook* at a client. >>>some people are having their outgoing messages blocked by addresses >>>with square brackets, I'm familiar with using <> in email addresses >>>but not []. >>>* not for long!!! >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Ashley >>> >>> >>> >>Sorry guys. >> >>The addresses are in the form: >> >>Ashley Evans [ hoshy at hoshy.co.uk ] >> >> > >That's not a valid form for an RFC2822 address. It should be: >"Firstname Surname" or simply . > >No mail server that I can think of would accept >RCPT TO: Ashley Evans [ hoshy at hoshy.co.uk ] > >It's just wrong. > > > >>I would expect <> to be used. Is this an outlook thing is one question. >> >> > >I've not seen it before. What are you running for your SMTP server? > > > >>Mainly I'd like to know the arguments for and against getting postfix to >>accept addresses like this. If that's even possible. >> >> > >I don't run Postfix, but in any event there are 2 very good reasons not >to: > >1) address@[1.2.3.4] is a valid form for an archaic addressing method >called "IP literal" and is usually blocked these days, so you're roughly >emulating a totally different system - it's assumed that a host >component of an email address containing [] will be an IP literal. > >2) it's just plain WRONG. > >Take a step back. What are you trying to achieve, and what software >[client and server] are you using to do it? Are the mails addressed in >that weird way coming straight out of Outlook? Does Outlook actually try >to use them in a RCPT TO command?! > >/joel > > Thanks. I never wanted to enable this in the first place. There's no problem but I want to make sure that I can tell the users with certainty that the address they're trying to send to is wrong full stop. I've no idea how these address came to exist in Outlook anyway. Cheers, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From henrik at morsing.cc Tue Jun 7 06:45:35 2005 From: henrik at morsing.cc (Henrik Morsing) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 07:45:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: <47616.195.190.132.207.1118126735.squirrel@webmail.morsing.org> > Debian 3.1 is released. > > http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 Woohoo! -- --- Henrik Morsing henrik at morsing.cc www.morsing.cc --- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From peery at io.com Wed Jun 15 16:56:29 2005 From: peery at io.com (Alan Peery) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:56:29 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] iptables and flaky ssh, ftp, vnc In-Reply-To: <1118694440.5676.12.camel@localhost> References: <1118694440.5676.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <42B05DBD.3060205@io.com> Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: >The problem is that when using ssh, ftp or vnc, the connection is often >lost. > By any chance do you live in the flight path of one of the airports? Somewhere around 1/3 of the traffic coming into Heathrow seems to knock my wireless for a loop, and TCP connections therefore drop. There is a quite clear connection between the plane passing overhead and the connection dropping, with the drop happening just slightly before the plane passes overhead. (Forward pointing radar?) It seems to happen more often in morning and evening, but that could just be my usage pattern. I've seen this with two access points (DLink 802.11g and a Vigor 2200 802.11b), and two laptops (Sony Vaio & IBM Thinkpad). Alan -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From itsbruce at uklinux.net Wed Jun 8 07:15:59 2005 From: itsbruce at uklinux.net (Bruce Richardson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:15:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] quick exim question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050608071559.GB3081@phaistos.bruce> On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 09:50:53PM +0100, Minty wrote: > Is there a way to tell my exim (v3.35) or procmail (v3.22) or > spamassassin on Debian Woody to reject/direct mail with a From: > address that isn't a valid account on my domain to the spam bucket? It's very easy to do with Exim 4.x. I would strongly urge you to either grab the Exim 4 backport or upgrade to Sarge. -- Bruce Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If so, remember that AD is just an LDAP schema. So you could use mod_auth_ldap or mod_auth_pam to auth against this. auth_ldap against Active Directory would be your best option I think. To get this working, first install mod_ldap and mod_auth_ldap into Apache. Then add to your httpd.conf something like: AuthLDAPAuthoritative on AuthType Basic Order allow,deny Allow from all AuthName \"Restricted Area\" AuthLDAPBindDN \"CN=yourserviceacct,OU=yourOU,DC=ad,DC=uiuc,DC=edu\" AuthLDAPBindPassword yoursecretpassword AuthLDAPURL ldap://yourldapserver:/OU=Organization,DC=ad,DC=yourADdomain?sAMAccountName?sub?(objectclass=*) require valid-user You should be able to get LDAPS [LDAP over SSL] working if you need that extra security. /joel -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk Sun Jun 26 11:14:47 2005 From: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk (John Edwards) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:14:47 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050626105341.GA890@xiao.rsnet> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <1119769762.2465.2.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <76F78DAE-8DDC-4FCE-98D3-C7A94F449BD8@actuality.co.uk> <20050626105341.GA890@xiao.rsnet> Message-ID: <20050626111446.GA6350@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 11:53:41AM +0100, Russell Howe wrote: > On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 11:06:52AM +0100, Matthew Thompson wrote: >> Nildram managed to totally f*ck up my service a while back > They're not cheap though (although they are upgrading everyone to 2Mbit > and dropping charges next month - they've already dropped charges for > everyone, pending the upgrade). Watch out, that sounds like they could be moving to the monthly 30GB capped version of ADSL that BT are pushing. -- #---------------------------------------------------------# | John Edwards Email: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk | | | | A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion | | Q. Why is top posting bad ? | #---------------------------------------------------------# -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 30 15:36:58 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:36:58 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Re: Spamassassin problems In-Reply-To: <1120144335.3852.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1120144335.3852.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <1120145818.3852.10.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 16:12 +0100, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > Continuing my travails with my FC4 mailserver, yum upgraded my > spamassassin/spamass-milter set up to SA v 3.0.4 and, AFAICS, the milter > to 0.2.1. > Actually it was to 0.3.0 Eventually worked out it was because it had reconfigured /etc/sysconfig/spamass-milter to bar header rewrites. Sorry to have wasted anybody's time: as usual I spent half a day looking for an answer, posted to GLLUG and worked it out within minutes of the post. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Sun Jun 12 22:32:32 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:32:32 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki In-Reply-To: <42ACB2C6.7010409@black1.org.uk> References: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> <42ACB2C6.7010409@black1.org.uk> Message-ID: <20050612223232.GA9031@furbychan.cocan.org> On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 11:10:14PM +0100, andrew Black wrote: > Afraid I can't answer the question, indeed one of the things has put me > off implementing a Wiki is the wide range of choices available. > > Do any well know implementations provide an RSS feed or similar. > Being able to view a summary of changes without having to visit the site > is a plus point for me. Cocanwiki! http://sandbox.merjis.com/_recent.rss On the negative side, cocanwiki was never designed to be easy to install ... Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Tue Jun 14 09:06:29 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:06:29 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Debian 3.1 ISO images In-Reply-To: <42AE9CE4.2030905@enplater.com> References: <42AE9CE4.2030905@enplater.com> Message-ID: <1118739991.6077.7.camel@Vigor12> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 11:01 +0200, Dani Pardo wrote: > Hi, in the Debian 3.1 isos, is there any index to know wich packages > can be found in each iso CD image? For Redhat or SuSE ISOs I normally mount them as loopback devices, then run find. I know that's not very elegant. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk Thu Jun 16 14:32:16 2005 From: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk (John Edwards) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:32:16 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Connection reset by peer In-Reply-To: <1118929837.5627.15.camel@localhost> References: <1118929837.5627.15.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050616143216.GA7099@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 02:50:36PM +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > vnc and ssh are pretty much unusable for me, sessions keep breaking with > the error "Connection reset by peer". It must be to do with my network > setup, but'm having problems pinning it down. > > One computer connects to an ADSL router, and then acts as a gateway for > another network, using NAT. The computer that's directly connected to > the router doesn't have problems with ssh or vnc, but it's a headless > relic and no use for vnc (which is most useful to me) - it's the > computers that use the relic as a gateway that have problems. > > I've tried using ethereal to hunt down the problem, but don't really > know what I'm looking for. Nothing jumped out at me (I was sort of > hoping for a great big "connection reset by peer here") > > Any hints most gratefully received... > Tom Weissmann Hi I'm not quite sure if you are connecting to machines across the ADSL connection, but if you are that would be the first thing to check as the line could be dropping and reconnecting a few seconds later. Otherwise it could be a problem with lost packets. Some ADSL routers, especially the black SpeedStream ones that BT supply on business lines, have a habit of dropping packets under load or overheating. Running flood ping or pinging over a long time to different hosts may help track down the problem. If the packets aren't arriving then ethereal probably won't see a problem. -- #---------------------------------------------------------# | John Edwards Email: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk | | | | A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion | | Q. Why is top posting bad ? | #---------------------------------------------------------# -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 9 17:48:31 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 18:48:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Dell Poweredge 4200 In-Reply-To: <1118316084.3902.25.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu 09 Jun, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 12:18 +0100, Huw Lynes wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 12:02, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > > > Well it will boot the Knoppix CD, but not from the HD - it simply stops > > > after it has been through the SCSI initialisation. But now you come to > > > mention it, it does post up some message about the disks being wiped by > > > some IBM porgram - I wonder if I should do a low level format and try > > > again? > > > > So you are doing an install from the knoppix cd to /dev/sda1 ? > > > Yes using the supplied script - knoppix-installer iirc > > > > > When you reboot you don't get any LILO/GRUB messages? > > > None at all. Doesn't interact with the installation in any way as far as > I can see. > Dell boxes do give problems, but why do you want to install Knoppix instead of using the new Debian installer to install the now-released v3.1r0a "Sarge"? There is a new installation manual complete with hints on dealing with problem hardware. -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Tue Jun 7 13:00:59 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:00:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> (Simon Rumble's message of "Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:51:36 +0100") References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> Message-ID: Rev Simon Rumble writes: > Prices for flash memory seem to be coming down every week or two. I > notice Scan has a 4 gig CF for 160 quid. Insane! So I'm thinking, how > long until we see flash-only laptops? Imagine the battery life! > > So then I got thinking, how about retrofitting it into an existing > laptop? How hard could it be? > > There are IDE-CF adapters. Would they fit the laptop conectors? No; laptops tend to have the wrong IDE connectors. On the other hand, IBM Thinkpads of a certain vintage (X22 certainly) have a CF port, so you could pull out the HD and start there. > What about flash wearing? Can you use file systems like jffs for the > root FS? And do they have any impact through an IDE-CF interface? You'd need: * no swap partition * /tmp, /var/tmp/ and probably a few others on ramdisks. * a way to dynamically populate-on-boot some of the other more frequently-modified directories Probably, the DamnSmallLinux guys have already done this: they do a 128MB USB stick version. Have a look. cheers, Rich. > > This is really just a thought experiment, but curious to know if it's > possible. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Thu Jun 2 11:13:50 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:13:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] He doesn't give up... In-Reply-To: <429EEAB9.6030108@pauken.co.uk> References: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> <429EEAB9.6030108@pauken.co.uk> Message-ID: <1845.155.198.181.3.1117710830.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> > John Hearns wrote: >> He doesn't give up, does he? > > Que? Stephen, its THURSDAY. They put my best straitjacket on this morning, and the nice nurses are coming wound with the thorazine soon. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jun 21 20:54:02 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:54:02 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] iptables and flaky ssh, ftp, vnc In-Reply-To: <17080.13345.453815.655389@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> References: <1118694440.5676.12.camel@localhost> <42B05DBD.3060205@io.com> <1118867344.6470.12.camel@localhost> <17080.13345.453815.655389@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> Message-ID: <1119387242.5352.24.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 16:37 +0100, Peter Grandi wrote: > There is probably wrong with the 'iptables' rules too, they are > very very difficut to get right (and, as usual, very easy to get > wrong but ''working''). I usually recommend using a rule set > generator... But even that does not avoid the need for clear > thinking. I'll stick my neck out. This is a semi-theoretical question. Given that I wanted as transparent a link as possible, isn't this the minimal ruleset I could have? regards, Tom Weissmann ---------------------------------------- world=0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 dest=192.168.200.0/24 dev=$1 dynip=`/sbin/ifconfig | grep -A 4 $dev | awk '/inet/ { print $2 } ' | sed -e s/addr://` iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s $world -d $dest -j ACCEPT -o $dev iptables -I INPUT 1 -s $dest -d $world -j ACCEPT -i $dev iptables -I FORWARD 1 -s $world -d $dest -j ACCEPT -o $dev iptables -I FORWARD 1 -s $dest -d $world -j ACCEPT -i $dev iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $dev -j SNAT --to $dynip echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From aaron.trevena at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 11:15:56 2005 From: aaron.trevena at gmail.com (Aaron Trevena) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:15:56 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] o2, web, site, .... In-Reply-To: <20050603105843.GN13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> References: <20050603102146.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42A03383.4030507@pigeonhold.com> <20050603105843.GN13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Message-ID: On 6/3/05, Alain Williams wrote: > On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 11:40:03AM +0100, Doug Winter wrote: > > Their web site is a pile of poo, as is their useless customer service, > > but it's always worked ok for me in firefox before. What are you doing > > to get the message? > > Nothing odd that I can think of -- just enter the URL as I normally do. I used to get problems with their site a couple of years ago on firefox, that was because their menu system was crap. Now we have moved to orange and life is better. We left o2 for the same reasons as alain left vodafone. o2 have very bad customer service. Orange make more of an effort but do still fuck up. None of the mobile telecoms providers provide particularly good customer service, but orange are the closest to professional and at least appear to make an effort at it. A. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From wayne at micromouse.co.uk Wed Jun 8 11:50:18 2005 From: wayne at micromouse.co.uk (Wayne Allen) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:50:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: <20050608113846.GD9700@phaistos.bruce> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Bruce Richardson wrote: > On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 12:20:18PM +0100, Huw wrote: > > > > linux package management tools (e.g. deb and rpm) track that kind of > > info. It wouldn't be very difficult to poll the package DBs on each host > > and dump the pertinent info into a central database. > > That's not enough even for change tracking, let alone change management. > Using a revision control system to track /etc, for example, allows > sysadmins a) to check whether the machine they are working on is in a > consitent, approved state, b) to roll back to a previous state if > they've messed something up and c) having made successful changes, to > check in the new consistent state, adding in comments to explain what > has been done. In a production environment, you might make the changes > to a test system, check the changes in and then use the rcs tool to pull > them down to the live servers. SVK looks interesting as one of the issues we have had with CVS is the CVS folders. cfengine also looks interesting... I wonder if I can intergrate both? Wayne > > It is also possible to integrate change management tools like cfengine > with a revision control system. > > -- > Bruce > > What would Edward Woodward do? > Shoot the bad guy!!!! -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From andrew-li at black1.org.uk Tue Jun 14 10:02:59 2005 From: andrew-li at black1.org.uk (andrew Black) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:02:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Debian 3.1 ISO images In-Reply-To: <42AEA0F6.9010405@enplater.com> References: <42AE9CE4.2030905@enplater.com> <1118739991.6077.7.camel@Vigor12> <42AEA0F6.9010405@enplater.com> Message-ID: <42AEAB53.8070904@black1.org.uk> Dani Pardo wrote: > Yes, not very elegant :) I've donwloaded and installed CD1 for my > laptop at home (no internet there). But now I'd like to install Open > Office and kdevelop, as well as X11 includes and libs, but I don't know > wich of the other 11 CDs to burn.. I should try the second one.. but I'd > prefer to be sure. > Can't you use apt-get to load the packages you want? Or have I missed something. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at sinodun.org.uk Sun Jun 26 10:40:20 2005 From: john at sinodun.org.uk (John Winters) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:40:20 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <81bc82db050626031520f526b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <81bc82db050626031520f526b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1119782421.2465.8.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 11:15 +0100, Liam Smit wrote: > I've worked in a call centre and it is standard procedure to only give > first names. True, however the fact that it is common practice doesn't in any way excuse it. > I believe it was for security purposes, This is a common reason given, although it is a blatant lie. The real reason is to prevent you (the customer) from being able to follow up something when they balls it up yet again. Some organisations (e.g. Demon) even make up fictitious individuals to sign letters. So you'll get a letter signed (or rather, not signed - just a printed name and no signature) by "Able Baker Charlie - Senior Customer Services Representative", but if you write back to Able Baker Charlie pointing out he hasn't addressed your query you will never get a reply and if you phone, at any hour of the day or night, he is always in a meeting. Common practice these may be, but they are utterly inexecusable. Boycott any organisation which uses them - the message is they regard you as shit and will treat you as such. John -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Mon Jun 13 10:05:18 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:05:18 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] BBC R3 offers first 5 Beethoven symphonies for download Message-ID: <20050613100518.GA22355@furbychan.cocan.org> As (128 kbps) mp3s, no less: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/beethoven/downloads.shtml Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pg_gllug at gllug.for.sabi.co.UK Tue Jun 21 16:19:52 2005 From: pg_gllug at gllug.for.sabi.co.UK (Peter Grandi) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:19:52 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Portforwarding failure - iptables question In-Reply-To: <1119280516.16740.8.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1119280516.16740.8.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <17080.15912.213739.426351@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> >>> On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:15:16 +0100, Adrian McMenamin >>> said: adrian> This is a fragment from /etc/sysconfig/iptables: [ ... ] adrian> It gives this output: adrian> [root at electra sysconfig]# iptables-restore -v ./iptables adrian> [ ... ] Editing directly an 'iptables' save/restore file format is a bit of a dodgy thing, but hey, if you know better... :-) adrian> iptables-restore v1.2.6a: Unknown arg `--dport' Try adrian> `iptables-restore -h' or 'iptables-restore --help' for adrian> more information. [ ... ] Well, while the 'iptables' save/restore format looks like the 'iptables' command arguments, it is by no means guaranteed to be the same or similar or to behave equivalently... But hey, if you know better... :-) As to this: adrian> -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 62000 -i eth1 -j DNAT adrian> --to-destination 192.168.63.22:62000 the '--dport' option is not 'iptables-'native, it is supported only by the 'tcp' and 'udp' protocol modules. Enough said I suppose :-). -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pjoanes at hotmail.com Fri Jun 24 11:10:04 2005 From: pjoanes at hotmail.com (Peter Joanes) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:10:04 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] port forwarding In-Reply-To: References: <200506241124.20295.pjoanes@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Friday 24 June 2005 11:32, t.clarke wrote: > I assume SNAT rewrites the source IP address of the packets being passed to > the webserver and then rewrites the original source address back into the > destination address of the reply packets received in due course? > > Does this involve another a rule or simply an extra paramter on one of the > existing rules? You'd need to add something like this: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -p tcp -d 192.168.n.n \ -j SNAT --to 192.168.m.m Where 192.168.m.m is the address assigned locally to the interface of the debian box that connects it to the webserver. This is a bit of a temporary measure usually, because it will make all the web requests appear to have come from your debian machine. - Pete. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 9 10:30:37 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:30:37 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Dell Poweredge 4200 Message-ID: <1118313037.3902.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> I yielded to the hands on imperative and bought one of these things for ?40 on ebay and even drove all the way to Gloucester to collect it. It makes a hell of a racket but I do want to put it through its paces before I decide to keep it or sell the components. But I have a problem. The box has two SCSI cards and 4 HDs (all the HDs are on the first card, the second runs the CD and tape - no HDs are set up as RAID) in it and doesn't want to seem to boot from /dev/sda1 (which is identified as C: by the SCSI BIOS) - where I have installed knoppix/Debian. I have read some contradictory/confusing advice about how to do this on Google - none of which seems to have worked so far - and I was hoping to cut through the thicket by finding someone here who is familiar with the problem and can tell me definitively what to do... -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Check again that you have the correct floppy .exe or floppy image - it may be a different one from the BIOS upgrade. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Thu Jun 16 20:17:10 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:17:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] to-do list manager tui or gui for debian In-Reply-To: <20050616193715.GG14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> References: <200506161541.42301.matthias.stingelin@springam.co.uk> <20050616193715.GG14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050616201710.GA15611@xiao.rsnet> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 08:37:15PM +0100, Ben Fitzgerald wrote: > 'fraid not. I'm running enlightenment. many of the suggestions have been > very handy. I'm going to trial a few and see how I get on. devtodo looks > pretty good. the sort of thing you can leave in a screen session. Oh, there's also the mozilla calendar which has a todo list in it, although perhaps overkill. It's available as a plugin to thunderbird, firefox and mozilla suite, as well as there being a standalone version called Sunbird (though you can tell it's been ripped from the other products, kicking and screaming) -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Tue Jun 7 22:46:09 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:46:09 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <20050607144059.GC29584@rumble.net> (Simon Rumble's message of "Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:40:59 +0100") References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> <871x7e6y9e.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <20050607144059.GC29584@rumble.net> Message-ID: <87wtp54wge.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Simon Rumble stated: > This one time, at band camp, Nix wrote: > >> [1] no, not the one in Sweden > > Unless you're a Swedish imperialist, I think you mean Norway. ARGHH I checked that. *Twice*. Blame hay fever. > (yes, Wikipedia is down) I can't, alas, call *that* as unlikely as Hell freezing over. -- `It's as bizarre an intrusion as, I don't know, the hobbits coming home to find that the Shire has been taken over by gangsta rappers.' -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Sat Jun 11 13:59:56 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:59:56 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] blatant ebay plug Message-ID: <42AAEE5C.6050004@hinterlands.org> I know some of you lot like unusual objects, this one's too fragile for me to take to Norway so it's up for sale: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5589238662 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From steev at tuls.pauken.co.uk Tue Jun 14 11:55:35 2005 From: steev at tuls.pauken.co.uk (Steven Goodwin) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:55:35 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Sony considers Linux kits for PS3 In-Reply-To: <1118392383.11371.74.camel@Vigor12> References: <1118392383.11371.74.camel@Vigor12> Message-ID: <20050614115535.GF19686@mail.codex.net> On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 09:33:03AM +0100, John Hearns wrote: > > http://ps3.ign.com/articles/624/624046p1.html?fromint=1 > > Sony Considers Linux for PS3 Hard Disk > Company hopes to have major non-game software support for new system. > by IGN Staff It's no longer a 'considers', it appears. http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59613 But with all things console-related: I'll believe it when I see it. Steev -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Thu Jun 2 09:59:46 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:59:46 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <200506012144.23103.mimo@gn.apc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Michael Moritz wrote: > Yes, the optional is very important. I would estimate around 1% of our users > actually optet out of greylisting. Also, it's important to warn people before > you put it in place and collect greylisting data without any actual > greylisting taking place for a while. When you state "opt out" do you mean that it is implemented by default and it is up to the end user to turn it of? If so that would seem a poor policy approach to me. > The other pointis that ISPs couldnt afford to literally do nothing about spam. > The cost would be to high, not talking about the level of user complaints. The cost still hits the ISP even with filtering as the bandwidth has already been used. Instead of cheap disk space to store the spam until it's downloaded by the ISP the ISP that filters implemented expensive servers to do the filtering. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ ADSL Broadband from just ?15.99 / month -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dan at berrange.com Wed Jun 8 12:20:41 2005 From: dan at berrange.com (Daniel P. Berrange) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:20:41 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: <200506081210.j58CAl9w022652@isengard.accucard.com> References: <20050608113846.GD9700@phaistos.bruce> <200506081210.j58CAl9w022652@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: <20050608122041.GA24288@berrange.com> On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 01:10:47PM +0100, Tethys wrote: > We use AIDE to verify that the machine is in a consistent, approved > state. Any changes are detected, and a simple web front end lets us > add annotations to explain the reasons for the change (which should > tie in to a change request number, although they don't always do so > yet). As for who's made the change, you'd need process accounting or > something like systrace/dtrace to be able to see that sort of information, > which starts getting pretty invasive and potentially harms performance. Both Red Hat and SUSE kernels include system wide auditing capabilties, primarily to enable CAL-3 security certification. If you are reasonably restrictive about what files / processes you mark as being audited then the performance hit isn't prohibitively high. The original LAUS implementation was pretty hairy, but for 2.6 kernel in RHEL-4, a new impl was written to work in conjunction with SELinux framework, and is actually part of upstream kernel tree. So, if you've got particular file & processes you're interested in auditing it may well be worth taking a look at these capabilties. Regards, Dan. -- |=- GPG key: http://www.berrange.com/~dan/gpgkey.txt -=| |=- Perl modules: http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ -=| |=- Projects: http://freshmeat.net/~danielpb/ -=| |=- berrange at redhat.com - Daniel Berrange - dan at berrange.com -=| -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Fri Jun 3 13:47:10 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:47:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Installing Flash player on Debian In-Reply-To: <20050603132944.GF29830@rumble.net> References: <20050603133027.GA15290@furbychan.cocan.org> <20050603132944.GF29830@rumble.net> Message-ID: <20050603134710.GB15290@furbychan.cocan.org> On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 02:29:44PM +0100, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Richard Jones wrote: > > > This is a really simple problem, but I just can't get the proprietary > > Flash player installed on Debian / Firefox 1.0.4. > > apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree That created: # ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/ total 144 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 44 Jun 3 14:36 flashplayer.xpt -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplayer.xpt lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 Jun 3 14:36 libflashplayer.so -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so Restarted firefox completely. It still doesn't display any Flash content on http://www.macromedia.com/ The problem here is a I don't know how to begin to try and debug this. Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From joel at fysh.org Mon Jun 27 07:49:00 2005 From: joel at fysh.org (Joel Bernstein) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 08:49:00 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <5CC62441-D113-4C4F-ADF6-F66E1C933314@actuality.co.uk> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <81bc82db050626031520f526b4@mail.gmail.com> <1119782421.2465.8.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <17086.43662.7377.557534@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> <42BF397C.6050100@bullet3.fsnet.co.uk> <5CC62441-D113-4C4F-ADF6-F66E1C933314@actuality.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050627074900.GX31427@fysh.org> On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 07:42:54AM +0100, Matthew Thompson wrote: > I believe that now the requirement is the CE mark. Haha! AFAIK the standards for CE approval are bloody low, and ISTR that the manufacturer self-assesses compliance and basically anybody who wants CE approval has it. Tattoo yourself with a CE mark and you're legal ;) /joel -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk Thu Jun 16 12:27:41 2005 From: ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk (Ian Lewis) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:27:41 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] to-do list manager tui or gui for debian Message-ID: > Hi, > > can anyone on the list recommend a to-do list manager that is packaged > for debian? > > It wouldn't have to be a full-blown project management app. I > just need > to be able to add tasks, mark as done, importance. > > it's just for one person. I don't need to book hours for individuals > etc. > > gui or tui is fine, so long as it lets me get the job done. > > I did google but the trouble is you get everyone else's todo list! > damn these bad google-karma days :-x If I were looking for one I'd look on Freshmeat or Sourceforge. Someone is sure to have written something.. #:) Ian -- Ever tried, ever failed. No matter. Try again, fail again. Fail better - Samuel Beckett > > thanks, > > ben. > -- > Registered Linux user number 339435 > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug > -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Mon Jun 13 15:15:30 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:15:30 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [YA-OT] PA-RISC D-Class 9000 In-Reply-To: <42AD909A.3070105@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42AD909A.3070105@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <42ADA312.6000505@hoshy.co.uk> Ashley Evans wrote: > Hi, > > I'm at a client who's suffered at power failure and it looks like this > box hasn't come up correctly. Normally I'd walk away from this in a > client environment but the boss (client) has asked me to "at least > give it a go" after the usual warnings. Some of the client machine > have a telnet to what I think is the machine ip. The machine is up > however the front panel shows "warn". > > It seems to be stuck in some kind of text editor. Anybody know how > exit common editors, does this thing have VTs? I think I could figure > out at least how to check the network and reboot and look at logs if I > could make it to a terminal. > Any tid bits would be welcome. > > Thanks. > Ashley > t(im?).clark - I'm affraid I can't get to a term atm. alain - Unfortuantely no luck with ctrl + z that was one of my first attempts. fwiw this thing has a strange keyboard with menu and system keys in the middle of the F key row, aswellas some other diffs Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon.wiehe at csfb.com Wed Jun 22 08:01:26 2005 From: simon.wiehe at csfb.com (Wiehe, Simon) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:01:26 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies Message-ID: <92CA923AAE010949A3A58BF744E5678501BB4A31@elon11p32003.csfp.co.uk> > Might have just been the drive electronics that lost their magic smoke. > > In which case with a 3.5 IDE it is almost trivial to swap out the PCB > from an identical disk. For a 2.5 IDE it would be harder but it's when > the disk is damaged and needs to be recovered in a clean room > environment that things get expensive. > > Cheers > Liam Might be trivial to swap but it probably wont work. I had a Fujitsu drive with a faulty controller card (known manufacturing fault) Fujitsu support said it might work but it is unlikely, I would have to match the exact model and bios revision, which I did. It still did not work, this is because platter metrics are burned into the chips when the drive is built. Simon ============================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml ============================================================================== -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Wed Jun 8 10:57:48 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:57:48 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: References: <1118142466.5212.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <42A6CF2C.4040805@hinterlands.org> Steve Nelson wrote: >>anyone have any experience with change management software? We could >>deploy CVS across all of our servers to track changes of config files >>etc, but we are looking for something a bit more 'wordy'. > > > Could you explain what you mean by that? Sounds like he wants cfengine backed onto subversion. > What apart from about top-posting above a seemingly irrelevant thread? Threw me, too. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 19:23:03 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:23:03 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] mysql binary logs In-Reply-To: <42ADDB05.3050401@hinterlands.org> References: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42ADDB05.3050401@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: On 6/13/05, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > Alain Williams wrote: > > The database itself works (queries/selects) -- I just can't get the logging to appear to do anything. > > A read only operation wouldn't need to write a log. Well - not quite. You might want to log SELECT statements and queries for auditing, app profiling, gathering information for optimisation etc. The binary log doesn't log things which don't change the database, since it is used for granular recovery and replication. If you want to log all statements (for example, to identify a problem query) you should use the general query log - see: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/Query_log.html S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Wed Jun 1 17:33:44 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:33:44 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: References: <200506011626.j51GQlnT005556@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: <20050601173344.GA11724@rumble.net> This one time, at band camp, Rich Walker wrote: > implemented? Delayed is bad enough - but the fact that many people have > an ISP whose mail servers fail on meeting a greylisting mail server is > enough to make greylisting un-usable in any real situation... Haven't met one of those. Nobody I communicate with has had a problem. How would they cope with transient failures of mail servers then? -- Rev Simon Rumble www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Because nerds travel too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ "Alliance: In international politics, the union of two thieves who have their hands so deeply inserted into each others' pockets that they cannot separately plunder a third." - Ambrose Bierce: The Devil's Dictionary -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am writing the page for the MAX Allowance product which provides the above service in another xterm. As there is more information to include with this than with the others it needs a little extra time to make sure the page is right. Give me 20 minutes ;) Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ 2MB ADSL Broadband from just ?14.99 / month -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Mon Jun 13 22:12:40 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:12:40 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] mysql binary logs In-Reply-To: <20050613220355.GB5699@xiao.rsnet> References: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42ADDB05.3050401@hinterlands.org> <42ADE4C8.4070308@hinterlands.org> <20050613210728.GA5699@xiao.rsnet> <200506132210455.SM01660@smtp1.wiss.co.uk> <20050613220355.GB5699@xiao.rsnet> Message-ID: <42AE04D8.2000701@hinterlands.org> Russell Howe wrote: >>SELECTing into a temporary table is different to a subselect. > > > Bizarre. If it can do one, it should certainly be able to emulate the > other. Not really, if you think of it in terms of Venn diagrams you'll see the difference. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From phil at tinsleyviaduct.com Fri Jun 10 09:14:07 2005 From: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com (Phil Reynolds) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:14:07 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] New hard disk needed - nearby suppliers? In-Reply-To: <20050610072156.GA5631@xiao.rsnet> References: <20050609211559.GA15607@tinsleyviaduct.com> <20050610064238.GA25519@tinsleyviaduct.com> <20050610072156.GA5631@xiao.rsnet> Message-ID: <20050610091406.GA20751@tinsleyviaduct.com> On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 08:21:57AM +0100, Russell Howe wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 07:42:38AM +0100, Phil Reynolds wrote: > > In fact, that is probably more "Central Middlesex" - though not too bad > > from here. > > Do you have to collect it personally? I have made orders with > www.aria.co.uk at about 2pm, and they have been despatched in under 2 > hours and arrived the next day. If they could get it to me "same day", that would be OK - but I would rather collect it. > The delivery charge is a bit of a pain if you're only ordering something > small cheap, but other than that, I don't really see the point in buying > in London & the surrounding area. The price most places around here > charge, it's probably cheaper to get online anyhow, even with the > shipping charge. Time etc. permitting, I would order online. However, a lot of these companies use couriers who have caused me problems. -- Phil Reynolds o ____ mail: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com |L_ \ / Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ (_)- \/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From essuu at ourshack.com Thu Jun 2 22:52:44 2005 From: essuu at ourshack.com (Simon Wilcox) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:52:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Poor disk performance on IDE raid Message-ID: Hi folks, We have several identical 2.8GHz P4 servers running Debian sarge with 2.6.8-1-386 kernel and a 3Ware Escalade 7006-2 IDE raid card, with 2 x 160Gb IDE drives in them. When reading large files, web server logs for example, top shows the processor spending about 80% of its time waiting for disk IO. This doesn't seem right to me but it is the same on two machines so I don't think there's a hardware problem. Could anyone offer advice regarding the best place to start diagnosing and fixing this problem ? Many thanks, Simon. -- "Hi this Eddie your shipboard computer and I'm feeling just great guys" -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk Tue Jun 14 17:18:41 2005 From: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk (John Edwards) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mirroring a local dir to ftp (curl?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050614171841.GA10515@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 05:53:45PM +0100, Morris, Simon wrote: > Hello, > > I have a local directory that I'd like to mirror up onto a ftp server as part of a cron script. > > Looking at the available tools (The server is OS X) curl seems the best bet, but doesn't seem to do recursive uploads. > > So far I've come up with > > find /path/to/dir -exec curl -T {} \; > > But its horribly inefficient. > > Does anyone have a better idea (I know someone will have) either using curl or another tool. > > Thanks > > ~sm Debian has a couple of programs that you could try: "ftp-upload" and "wput". -- #---------------------------------------------------------# | John Edwards Email: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk | #---------------------------------------------------------# -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jun 7 18:53:11 2005 From: chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk (Christopher Hunter) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:53:11 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: <1118161013.3867.10.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> <1118161013.3867.10.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <200506071953.11044.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> On Tuesday 07 Jun 2005 17:16, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 14:00 +0100, Rich Walker wrote: > > You'd need: > > * no swap partition > > For speed reasons only I assume No - because you'd quickly destroy the CF with the repeated writes, re-writes and reads. Chris -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tim at seacon.co.uk Fri Jun 24 13:34:14 2005 From: tim at seacon.co.uk (t.clarke) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 14:34:14 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] port forwarding In-Reply-To: <200506241210.04970.pjoanes@hotmail.com> References: <200506241210.04970.pjoanes@hotmail.com> <200506241124.20295.pjoanes@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Pete Thanks for the further info on SNAT postrouting rule I have stuck in all three rules and I think it works - at least on a quick telnet 'get' to fleet.seacon.co.uk port 80 - I get a short response from thames.seacon.co.uk I accept I will lose the source of the web access from the apache log, but the means is only intended as a last ditch means of providing cgi web access to certain customers in the event that the main kilostream circuit goes down (back up again now!) Regards Tim -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From garry at heaton6.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 22 13:13:21 2005 From: garry at heaton6.freeserve.co.uk (Garry Heaton) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:13:21 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] OT: Tyan Thunder K8SR S2881G2NR EATX server mobo Message-ID: <42B963F1.9040900@heaton6.freeserve.co.uk> I'm selling a Tyan Thunder K8SR S2881G2NR server mobo, which cost me ?314, for ?230 if anyone is interested. It's an EATX/dual Opteron board, in brand new condition, and is being sold because of a misconfiguration with an ATX chassis I bought :-( The only reason it hasn't been returned for an ATX replacement is that I threw away parts of the box when I opened it :-( That'll teach me. Anyway, it's never been used and can be had for ?84 less than the going rate. Garry -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk Tue Jun 14 11:05:32 2005 From: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk (John Edwards) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:05:32 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Debian 3.1 ISO images In-Reply-To: <42AE9CE4.2030905@enplater.com> References: <42AE9CE4.2030905@enplater.com> Message-ID: <20050614110532.GA28856@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 11:01:24AM +0200, Dani Pardo wrote: > > Hi, in the Debian 3.1 isos, is there any index to know wich > packages can be found in each iso CD image? There are the Packages, which list a lot of information about the packages on each CD: /cdrom/dists/stable/*/*/Packages grep for '^Package' to show just the package names. For a list of packages on every CD, look at the jigdo files which are used to create the CD images. They are text files compressed with gzip: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0a/i386/jigdo-cd/ -- #---------------------------------------------------------# | John Edwards Email: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk | | | | A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion | | Q. Why is top posting bad ? | #---------------------------------------------------------# -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From gllug at craigmillar.org Wed Jun 1 06:45:12 2005 From: gllug at craigmillar.org (Craig Millar) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:45:12 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter Message-ID: <20050601064512.GD20742@shapero.com> i've been using/testing/playing with spamassassin for a while and the only thing that bothers me about it is that it is damned slow and nails processing time. to my mind it a great solution apart from this drain on my limited resources. so, i googled for alternatives and have turned up bogofilter. i have been unable to find a decent comparison between the two. has anyone used bogofilter? is the performance of bogofilter a trade off for its effectiveness, for example? is it as easy to maintain/train as spamassassin? thanks, craig -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Tue Jun 7 10:26:26 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:26:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <1118137633.30927.5.camel@blackbox.shiplake.org.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, John Winters wrote: > > Also does anyone know what is likely to happen to clamav? - it seem to > > be constantly claiming that it is out of date! > > Did you install clamav-data or clamav-freshclam? If the former then > read the clamav documentation! the message is more likely to come from the version of clamav being used. Freshclam will raise warnings about the version of the software if it is not at a level sufficient to catch all of the viruses/worms that are specified in the data update. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ ADSL Broadband from just ?15.99 / month -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Thu Jun 2 13:43:53 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:43:53 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <200506021431.46672.mimo@gn.apc.org> (Michael Moritz's message of "Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:31:46 +0100") References: <200506021431.46672.mimo@gn.apc.org> Message-ID: Michael Moritz writes: > On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:17, Jason Clifford wrote: >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Moritz wrote: >> > This is a misunderstanding. The receiving SMTP server (the one that does >> > the greylisting) reads the MAIL FROM, RCPT TO, and client address, then >> > checks the greylisting database and issues a 450. This is before the DATA >> > section of the SMTP session. >> >> You are trusting that all other MTAs and MUAs do the "right thing". >> Experience shows that this sometimes is not the case. > > What do you mean? My SMTP server disconnects after the greylist check, the > session is ended. No way the sender can continue sending the mail data as the > tcp session is closed. The sender then drops the mail on the floor, or bounces it to the originator with an unhelpful message. *This* is the problem with greylisting - critical upstream MTA's break when presented with it. cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 10:49:41 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:49:41 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: References: <1118142466.5212.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 6/8/05, Wayne Allen wrote: > Hi All, > > anyone have any experience with change management software? We could > deploy CVS across all of our servers to track changes of config files > etc, but we are looking for something a bit more 'wordy'. Could you explain what you mean by that? > needs to run on > Linux/Solaris, and GNU if possible > > Any comments? What apart from about top-posting above a seemingly irrelevant thread? > Wayne S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 14 17:11:19 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:11:19 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mirroring a local dir to ftp (curl?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118769079.3857.27.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 18:02 +0100, Morris, Simon wrote: > -----QUOTE----- > > > > Does anyone have a better idea (I know someone will have) either > using curl or another tool. > > Use rsync. > -----END QUOTE----- > > (Apologies for broken quoting style - using a crapberry on the move) > > The server is a ftp server owned by another organisation which I have > no access to (apart from ftp access) > > I read the rsync man page (and googled for rsync and ftp) but I didn't > think rsync was going to be possible. > > It would be perfect if it was available. > So presumably mounting it as some sort of share at the end of a symbolic link is also impossible? -- Adrian McMenamin -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Fri Jun 10 14:04:48 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:04:48 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: <1118410923.11371.139.camel@Vigor12> References: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> <1118410923.11371.139.camel@Vigor12> Message-ID: <42A99E00.1010603@hoshy.co.uk> John Hearns wrote: >On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 14:36 +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>Google returns a myriad of companies. Anybody with positive first hand >>experience ? >> >> > >How is the data lost, and on what media? > >Will my often reported trick of putting the disk in the freezer not >work? Gory details please, complete with pics of fried components. > > > No pics handy sorry. Three items are currently up for recovery. 1. Maxtor MaxlinePlusII 250Gb sata scsi media error can't cat any info raw can't fdisk 2. laptop hdd, low priority haven;t even look so may just be a silly issue 3. 128Meg USB device can cat info off, am thinking about gpart or something to try and make an image out of it. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 8 23:50:05 2005 From: mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk (Mike Brodbelt) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 00:50:05 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] GnuCash vs KMyMoney In-Reply-To: <57a9359705060807551bb0687f@mail.gmail.com> References: <57a9359705060807551bb0687f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1118274605.5760.4.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 15:55 +0100, Mamading Ceesay wrote: > Hi, > > Anybody here have experience of using GnuCash and/or KMyMoney for > managing their personal finances? I would appreciate informed > commentary on their comparative merits and fitness for use by a UK > taxpayer. I've used GnuCash. It takes a little patience to set up, and it's a bit slow on startup, but it's otherwise very good. You'd have no trouble getting useful information for tax out of it, if you set it up correctly. If you want full tax information though, you'll have to make the effort to enter things gross, and set up the account tree so you have splits for tax data. It's not hard, but you'll need to read the help before setting it up, and be prepared to throw away your first couple of attempts until you have a clear picture of how it works. Mike. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Tue Jun 14 09:57:31 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:57:31 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Sound recording - distortion In-Reply-To: <20050614083342.GA10754@tinsleyviaduct.com> References: <20050614075036.GA9250@tinsleyviaduct.com> <007101c570b8$b8db4b80$150010ac@kensnet> <20050614083342.GA10754@tinsleyviaduct.com> Message-ID: <42AEAA0B.4040605@hoshy.co.uk> Phil Reynolds wrote: >However, that's the expensive way - yes, I know it is the best way but >not really an option for me. > ctually you can get some quite cheap usb dac's with the cheaper ones that I've tried (for output), connecting to my good home stereo I find that although there is less noise from the usb dac the actual quality of the sound is better from the SB128. Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mark at markpreston.co.uk Fri Jun 3 21:08:37 2005 From: mark at markpreston.co.uk (Mark Preston) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:08:37 +0200 Subject: [Gllug] Re: Installing Flash player on Debian Message-ID: <42A0C6D5.5050701@markpreston.co.uk> Richard Jones wrote: >/ //> This is a really simple problem, but I just can't get the proprietary //> Flash player installed on Debian / Firefox 1.0.4./ tar -xzvf install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz cd install_flash_player_7_linux/ ./flashplayer-installer Works for me. Regards, Mark Preston -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 3 11:15:20 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 12:15:20 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] So that's how you do it Message-ID: <1117797320.27560.27.camel@mayday.localdomain> Just worked out what sendmail -Ac -q does and so suddenly I am sending out 125 day old messages stuck in the submission queue from when spamassassin failed and blocked all the outbound mail. Apologies if any turn up here... -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I seem to remember RM 'accidentally' locking out our web based service for schools from going through their firewalls at about the same time they were developing a competing product. Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at sinodun.org.uk Mon Jun 13 16:19:15 2005 From: john at sinodun.org.uk (John Winters) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:19:15 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Recovering ISOs from a FUBARed HDD Message-ID: <1118679556.2416.5.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> Dear all, I had an interesting problem. The HDD failed in my school workstation, producing so many read errors that the system could no longer boot successfully. I've ordered a new HDD (due tomorrow) and I have to hand some 8 day old Mondo backup CDs, but... I knew that on the system there were some more up to date ISOs produced by Mondo at the weekend, so I set out to see whether I could read them off the disc. Only one problem - the files were on an LVM disc chunk. I booted with Knoppix, which was fine and I could read the disc and talk to the network, but it seems Knoppix doesn't understand LVM. Then I booted with the Sarge installation CD. That gave me a system which would talk to the network *and* understood LVM, so I could see the files I wanted to retrieve. Unfortunately, the Sarge installation CD doesn't seem to carry any network tools capable of shoving files over the network. In the end I managed to get the files by connecting a large USB HDD and copying them off whilst booted from the Sarge installation CD. Now my question - is there any way I could have done it if I hadn't had the USB device to hand? Any way of getting those files over the network using either Knoppix or the Sarge installation CD? TIA, John -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Thu Jun 16 09:49:31 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:49:31 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Support for thunderbird Message-ID: <42B14B2B.60603@hoshy.co.uk> Hi, Apart from the web forum on mozillazine, is there anywhere I can ask thunderbird questions and be likely to get an answer? Regards, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tim at seacon.co.uk Fri Jun 24 10:32:30 2005 From: tim at seacon.co.uk (t.clarke) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:32:30 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] port forwarding In-Reply-To: <200506241124.20295.pjoanes@hotmail.com> References: <200506241124.20295.pjoanes@hotmail.com> Message-ID: No, the webserver uses the Cisco router on the kilsotream circuitv as its default gateway, so I guess thats why the replies were going down a blackhole. I assume SNAT rewrites the source IP address of the packets being passed to the webserver and then rewrites the original source address back into the destination address of the reply packets received in due course? Does this involve another a rule or simply an extra paramter on one of the existing rules? Tim -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From richard_c at tpg.com.au Wed Jun 1 13:19:47 2005 From: richard_c at tpg.com.au (Richard) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 14:19:47 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Graduates paying for IT training before employment In-Reply-To: References: <2899.82.32.42.43.1117573230.squirrel@webmail.pasty.org.uk> <20050601065457.GJ13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <429DAE43.1010604@drake.org.uk> Message-ID: <429DB5F3.6040207@tpg.com.au> Steve Nelson wrote: >I should clarify. We don't do so many training courses. The company >does, however, encourage people to obtain professional certification >in their areas of expertise. This is, I think, less about the value >of the qualification to the employer than it is about badges for the >sales droids to show to their prospects. > > My company does a lot of training courses, but only so that they can either: a) give the sales droids something to flog. b) assure their "technology partners" that some people are remotely familiar with their product's particular mangling of common practice/standards. It is worth noting that "fitness for purpose" is only one of the elements (and rather minor at that) that defines a "technology partner" in a large consultancy. Leave your ideals by the door, please. Yes, just by your hopes and aspirations. Richard -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From richard_c at tpg.com.au Wed Jun 29 14:12:37 2005 From: richard_c at tpg.com.au (Richard) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:12:37 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] tree spanning algorithms/libraries In-Reply-To: <200506291321.j5TDLqKo001133@isengard.accucard.com> References: <200506291321.j5TDLqKo001133@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: <42C2AC55.6070309@tpg.com.au> Tethys wrote: >Use a declarative language like Prolog, and let it handle the details >for you... > > I'm not so sure, every line of "declarative" Prolog has to include very careful consideration of it's run-time behaviour. Consider the cut (!) predicate; or the complexity of the solution to the general 'family tree' problem in Prolog, and how you demonstrate a 'cousin' relationship in Prolog. Don't get me wrong, Prolog can be quite handy for some problems, once you get used to wrapping your head around the lead pipe that is declarative programming. Richard -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Mon Jun 27 20:13:41 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:13:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Re: ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050627200016.GB15794@shapero.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Craig Millar wrote: > > UKFSN can offer a 2Mb line for ?19.99 / month which includes 30GB of > > daytime (8am - 10pm) bandwidth and 300GB of evening and weekend bandwidth > > and a single static IP address. > > I find this a very attractive offer, but am not sure if I exceed the > bandwidth monthly. Anyone have any recommendations for measuring these > things, both in and out, and preferably with the ability to graph the data so > that I can work out how much I use during daytime and other times? Does your existing router or modem provide a bandwidth counter? > > Options for more bandwidth are available - obviously that costs more. > > How much more? If one exceeds the cap, do you pull the plug, or just raise > additional charges for any usage over? Apologies if this information is > available on your website - I couldn't locate it. If you go over the allowance you are charged the appropriate higher level plus a one off ?5.00 charge. As all of the MAX Allowance products include at least 300GB of bandwidth allowance during the night and weekend you can schedule large downloads to suit without worrying that you will be charged any extra. I'll update the website to include this information. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ 2Mb ADSL Broadband from just ?14.98 / month -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 25 14:38:47 2005 From: mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk (Mike Brodbelt) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:38:47 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: <1119710327.5677.5.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 13:35 +0100, Joel Bernstein wrote: > Incidentally, suggestions of anybody else who can provide preferably LLU > DSL in London NW6 accepted gratefully. If nobody else can do it I guess > I'll have to go back to a BT ipstream service - anybody recommend a > reasonably clueful ISP who don't take the piss and can do a 2MB+ circuit > for Bulldog money? I've used Easynet for LLU service in the past. They're good, have (relatively) clueful support people, and will offer up to 4Mb SDSL with SLA on their unbundled lines, but the prices are exorbitant these days. The rest of the DSL market has lowered prices over the past years, and Easynet haven't bothered. When I last moaned at them they were willing to offer 2Mb with SLA for the price of the 1Mb circuit we were paying for, but not to lower the prices. As such, I'm migrating back to a BT ipstream line using Demon as the ISP. For a business, I'd happily recommend Easynet, for personal use, the prices are unjustified. Mike. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mamading at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 14:12:35 2005 From: mamading at gmail.com (Mamading Ceesay) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:12:35 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Stepping up on the patents front In-Reply-To: <42A849C8.3090400@boogdesign.com> References: <20050530185531.GA17270@furbychan.cocan.org> <20050605210321.95029.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <42A849C8.3090400@boogdesign.com> Message-ID: <57a9359705060907121d0845c8@mail.gmail.com> On 6/9/05, Rob Crowther wrote: > The situation in the US might be about to change, which might affect the > argument in Europe: > > http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-5737961.html > > Though having read through the article the focus of the legislation > seems to be to reduce the cost of lawsuits against Microsoft rather than > to address the root problems of software patents. > The article quotes the Business Software Alliance saying "improving patent quality, making sure U.S. law is consistent with that of other major countries and addressing disruptions caused by excessive litigation." Aren't these precisely the same arguments being used by the people pushing the Computer-Implemented Inventions Directive. I am so sick and tired of deceptive rhetoric being used by politicians and other folks trying to pull the wool over our eyes. The proposed legislation seems far too reactive and does nothing to stop bad patents being granted in the first place. -- Mamading Ceesay "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." -- R. Buckminster Fuller -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From bredroll at darkspace.org.uk Thu Jun 16 17:12:21 2005 From: bredroll at darkspace.org.uk (Ian Norton) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:12:21 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Failed MB BIOS Upgrade In-Reply-To: <001101c57063$dccf8d30$190010ac@kensmw2kp> References: <001101c57063$dccf8d30$190010ac@kensmw2kp> Message-ID: <20050616171221.GA20807@earth.dsh.org.uk> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 11:04:25PM +0100, Ken Smith wrote: > Talking of FUBAR?d things ? are there any motherboard guru?s here. A BIOS > upgrade has failed and left it corrupt. The Intel manual describes a method > to recover this situation by removing a jumper from the board and booting > with the BIOS update floppy in the drive. The MB should read from the > floppy, make two beeps, which it does and then it should resume reading the > floppy ? which it doesn't. I suspect its not finding the stuff it should on > the floppy - I have tried several different versions of the BIOS - no luck. > > It?s a D845BG - Intel says it's no longer supported - its only 3 yrs old - > oh well... > > Anyway does anyone here have any more insight into recovery methods Hiya, Try setting your MTU to abou 1400 / 1350, I had alot of ssh/vnc problems when using 1500 bytes as an mtu over my adsl line. Ian -- Ian Norton-Badrul -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ben_m_f at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 23 15:57:21 2005 From: ben_m_f at yahoo.co.uk (Ben Fitzgerald) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:57:21 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] x.org 6.8.2 and backspace In-Reply-To: <200506231015.j5NAFDEd016935@isengard.accucard.com> References: <20050622200704.GG8222@bfitzgerald.co.uk> <200506231015.j5NAFDEd016935@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: <20050623155721.GH8222@bfitzgerald.co.uk> On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 11:15:12AM +0100, Tethys wrote: > > Ben Fitzgerald writes: > > >stty erase ^H > > > >though obviously you'd have to generate ^H as a metacharacter with > >CTRL-v + backspace. > > Actually, you don't. Since time immemorial, stty has been able to > interpret the two character sequence ^h (0x5E, 0x68) as Ctrl-h. > Just type it as you see it, and it'll automagically work. Funnily enough, I had to edit /etc/remote on solaris today and discovered that I must be talking bollocks! :) live and learn... ben. -- Registered Linux user number 339435 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From joel at fysh.org Tue Jun 21 13:57:27 2005 From: joel at fysh.org (Joel Bernstein) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:57:27 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] MP3-CDs In-Reply-To: <42B81B69.8060106@ucl.ac.uk> References: <42B81B69.8060106@ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20050621135727.GH31427@fysh.org> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 02:51:37PM +0100, Robert Bannocks wrote: > Hi all, > > Can anyone tell me how I burn and MP3-CD under linix. By MP3-CD mean a > CD-R disk > with a format that works in my new portable CD payer which supports "MP3 > Playback" (from > a CD disk). Quite a bit of googling has just confused me. Most sites > seem to suggest converting > the MP3s into a standard audio CD. This is not what I want as the MP3 > play back seems to support > mutiple albums on one physical CD. Create an ISO9660 filesystem containing the MP3s, and burn that to the disk in DAO mode. mkisofs -JR /path/to/MP3s | cdrecord -v fs=6m dev=XX,XX - where XX,XX is the scsi id of your cd writer. /joel -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martyn at drake.org.uk Wed Jun 1 14:28:05 2005 From: martyn at drake.org.uk (Martyn Drake) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:28:05 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Remote hylafax or similar In-Reply-To: <1117635855.3888.41.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1117635855.3888.41.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <429DC5F5.80204@drake.org.uk> Adrian McMenamin wrote: > Is anybody aware of a company in London that offers this sort of a > service. > > At the moment I have a piece of perl that shells out to send a fax and I > wonder if there is a way I could get that to run across a network/the > internet > > (Alternative ways of invoking hylafax also welcome) You might want to give these guys a call. What they don't know about faxing isn't worth knowing. http://www.fax.co.uk M. -- Martyn Drake http://www.drake.org.uk -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Tue Jun 7 22:53:16 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:53:16 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: (Rich Walker's message of "Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:58:18 +0100") References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> <1118161013.3867.10.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <87oeah4w4j.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005, Rich Walker suggested tentatively: > Adrian McMenamin writes: > >> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 14:00 +0100, Rich Walker wrote: >> >> >>> You'd need: >>> * no swap partition >> >> For speed reasons only I assume > > No - wear cycles. Flash - 10k-100k cycles writes, which is not long for > the allocation map alone. That's why you use JFFS, and make sure you get a non-crap card that has automatic wear levelling. (Downside: it might be bloody hard to work out if it *has* or not :/ ) -- `It's as bizarre an intrusion as, I don't know, the hobbits coming home to find that the Shire has been taken over by gangsta rappers.' -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Thu Jun 30 11:52:55 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:52:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Software patents: Meet MEP Message-ID: <20050630115255.GA18560@furbychan.cocan.org> There is a meeting with Labour MEP Richard Howitt tomorrow morning at 8.15am in Cambridge (sorry about the short notice). The chaps at FFII are looking for businessmen from SMEs who will be affected by the software patents directive to go there. If you are interested and can attend (I cannot), contact wookey at or urgently! Rich. --- Forwarded message --- > On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 06:31:08PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > > Our Labour MEP Richard Howitt has agreed to a meeting with concerned local > > companies on the software patent directive first thing Friday morning. > > This will take place at the offices of Toby Churchill Ltd in Over: > > at 8:15-9:15 (apologies for the early hour but the short notice leaves > > little choice). > > It's quite possible I can actually make this. I'm a bit worried > however about where / what is "Over"? Sorry - I missed this bit out of the mail. Over is a village north-west of Cambridge: TOBY CHURCHILL Limited Norman Way Industrial Estate OVER Cambridge, CB4 5QE United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)1954 281219 http://streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=537829&y=269413&z=3&sv=537829,269413&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf&dn=677&ax=537829&ay=269413 Look out for the huge aerial tower and windmill, which is just south of the TCL industrial estate. If you need a lift from Cambridge we can share some transport (It's a nice bike ride but you'd have ot get up _really_ early to be there in time :-) --- End of forwarded message --- -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From damerell at chiark.greenend.org.uk Thu Jun 30 16:29:32 2005 From: damerell at chiark.greenend.org.uk (David Damerell) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:29:32 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] GND Message-ID: <17092.7660.590655.863636@chiark.greenend.org.uk> I notice GND's Website has evaporated. I hope this doesn't mean they have? -- David Damerell Kill the tomato! Today is First Friday, Presuary. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pg_gllug at gllug.to.sabi.co.UK Sun Jun 26 13:15:58 2005 From: pg_gllug at gllug.to.sabi.co.UK (Peter Grandi) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:15:58 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <1119782421.2465.8.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <81bc82db050626031520f526b4@mail.gmail.com> <1119782421.2465.8.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> Message-ID: <17086.43662.7377.557534@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> [ ... ] >> I've worked in a call centre and it is standard procedure to >> only give first names. john> True, however the fact that it is common practice doesn't john> in any way excuse it. >> I believe it was for security purposes, john> This is a common reason given, although it is a blatant john> lie. It looks like so, because they could give employee numbers instead of first names, and still remain identifiable for followup purposes, while not exposing themselves (just like the police do for example). john> The real reason is to prevent you (the customer) from john> being able to follow up something when they balls it up john> yet again. Some organisations (e.g. Demon) even make up john> fictitious individuals to sign letters. [ ... ] Common john> practice these may be, but they are utterly inexecusable. Like generously allowing programmers to wear ear mufflers to reduce the noise impact from an office where their desks are stacked as tightly as possible, there are two loud PCs per desk (and temperature gets to 35C), and meetings are shouting matches held in the same room because dedicated meeting rooms are expensive? BTW after a bit of using mufflers I now prefer ear plugs for ''programmer sty'' use, there is a nice site with a group review here: http://WWW.WebBikeWorld.com/r2/earplugs/ Or like not getting back to job applicants after an interview (I can excuse not replying to every applicant, as often there are hundreds, but those shortlisted for an interview are usually a small number)? Unfortunately such practices are common because companies as either suppliers or employers can get away with them... Does anybody remember the times when it was illegal to plug a non-BT supplied phone into a BT line? Nice deal if you can get it... john> Boycott any organisation which uses them - the message is john> they regard you as shit and will treat you as such. Well, customer service is not a profit centre, except of course in the medium/long term, and companies train their managers (bonuses) to not care a lot about that. So things are not going to change. Boycotts work only in the medium/long term. But customer relationships are only part of the problem; the poor customer facing employees have their own problems. Many company PHBs write policies that are nasty not just to their customers, but also to them. Perhaps not everybody realizes how brutal can be the lot of those poor ''robot women'' in call centres, especially offshore ones (where the law is not quite as progressive or enforceable as in Europe), and how cunningly nasty are the PHBs earning large bonuses when writing the contracts for call centres: http://WWW.Outsourcing-Weblog.com/archives/call_center_abuse_of_ladies_still_continues_but_remedies_in_sight.html ?Women call center workers from India take abuse -- sometimes sexual in nature -- from westerners to earn a better salary. However, some remedies are already in place to correct this. Call center employees are now allowed to end a call if they think it's necessary. Additionally, they can also blacklist an abusive person and put him in the 'Do Not Call' list so that other workers can be informed not to call that person again.? But note the kicker below: ?Sonal Raje, a team leader from Global Telesystem Ltd, said, "Hanging up in the middle of a conversation is not acceptable in our profession, but when they turn abusive we can now disconnect the lines politely, which was not the case earlier." Ashley D'Souza of Customer1, Malad, said, "Since February, we have been given permission to hang up on abusive callers, with the consent of our team leaders." However, Bhavin Dalal, proprietor of Etech Infosys, said that only those who are into outbound services can disconnect a call.? As he says explicitly (mostly western) company PHBs have made it a contractual requirement (as in: you get fired for cause) for call centre workers, mostly poor and female of course, to listen to abusive verbiage, including any incidental sexual harassment: ?He said, "The service level agreement does not allow the customer care executive in an inbound service provider to disconnect the line, even if the caller turns abusive. [Such] calls need to be handled tactfully."? For PHBs it is just a matter of ''leverage'', and everybody is welcome to the ''because we can, and f*ck you very much'' economy! :-/ -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 12 22:33:45 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:33:45 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki In-Reply-To: <20050612223232.GA9031@furbychan.cocan.org> References: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> <42ACB2C6.7010409@black1.org.uk> <20050612223232.GA9031@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <1118615625.3990.6.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Sun, 2005-06-12 at 23:32 +0100, Richard Jones wrote: > On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 11:10:14PM +0100, andrew Black wrote: > > Afraid I can't answer the question, indeed one of the things has put me > > off implementing a Wiki is the wide range of choices available. > > > > Do any well know implementations provide an RSS feed or similar. > > Being able to view a summary of changes without having to visit the site > > is a plus point for me. > > Cocanwiki! http://sandbox.merjis.com/_recent.rss > > On the negative side, cocanwiki was never designed to be easy to > install ... Errr, not exactly selling it hard... what's good about it? > > Rich. > > -- > Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. > Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com > Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All the FAQs predate X.Org, > and none of their suggestions fix things ... you can stick the following in your profile: stty erase ^H though obviously you'd have to generate ^H as a metacharacter with CTRL-v + backspace. HTH, ben. -- Registered Linux user number 339435 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From Kens at kensnet.org Tue Jun 14 07:38:37 2005 From: Kens at kensnet.org (Ken Smith) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:38:37 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Sound recording - distortion References: <20050614072120.GA10779@tinsleyviaduct.com> Message-ID: <004f01c570b4$1487de80$150010ac@kensnet> Original Message ----- From: "Phil Reynolds" > Is distortion a common problem when recording sound using a VIA > 8237-based motherboard? I am finding it so but was wondering if there > was a known good way to fix it. Is the volume level going into the card too high? Is there another input - you might be using the Mic level one by mistake. Ken ----- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 11/06/05 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Tue Jun 7 16:58:18 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:58:18 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: <1118161013.3867.10.camel@mayday.localdomain> (Adrian McMenamin's message of "Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:16:53 +0100") References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> <1118161013.3867.10.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: Adrian McMenamin writes: > On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 14:00 +0100, Rich Walker wrote: > > >> You'd need: >> * no swap partition > > For speed reasons only I assume No - wear cycles. Flash - 10k-100k cycles writes, which is not long for the allocation map alone. > >> * /tmp, /var/tmp/ and probably a few others on ramdisks. > > Why? CF is cheaper than memory. When the CF chip wears out throw it > away :) Well, at least mount it with -o noatime. cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From gl.lug at ntlworld.com Tue Jun 28 17:53:43 2005 From: gl.lug at ntlworld.com (Pip) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:53:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mail servers on FC4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200506281853.44699.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> On Tuesday 28 Jun 2005 17:55, Chris Bell wrote: > > Not at all. I have not tried Dovecot, but about the third reference I > found in Google appeared to give examples. Oh, absolutely. But, as you probably know, it's the specifics that cause the problems, and the examples I've found so far haven't been for the Exim/Dovecot/FC4 set up. I'll dive back in. I'm bound to have missed something. Pip -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From aaron.trevena at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 07:44:26 2005 From: aaron.trevena at gmail.com (Aaron Trevena) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:44:26 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Stepping up on the patents front In-Reply-To: <20050605210321.95029.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20050530185531.GA17270@furbychan.cocan.org> <20050605210321.95029.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 6/5/05, Nelson Menezes wrote: > I'll "third" it, although what really should change is the > UK government's position. It might be worthwhile contacting > your MP as well, even if the MEPs manage to stop it for > now. Yes, the opposition parties ought to be raking Lord Sainsbury (our unaccountable and unelected Minister) over the coals and pointing out the huge holes in the legislation and the UKPOs failure to do it's job properly. > It's national governments pushing for this ridiculous thing > (because they have the interested companies so far up > their... ahem). The European Parliament is actually mostly > against it, but national governments will force it through > any way they can. It isn't just the national governments, several IT organisations are supporting it against the members will. EICTA is pushing very hard despite national member organisations being against it as well as some of its larger members (Like Sun and Oracle). Intellect is also lobbying very hard even though they haven't asked their membership about it and don't have any support from the IT industry. Finally the BCS is tacitly endorsing Intellects position. If you are a member of any of these organisations I would be kicking up a stink, particularly with the BCS. Also if you are a member of the Lib Dem party you should join the Liberal Democrats Online and complain to your MP and Ministers about the complete hash they have made of this (LDO supports the FFII, Sharon Bowles and her cabal of pro-patent LD MEPs support the council, the Party voted for a position against software patents - complete shambles). Cheers, A. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 2 11:21:13 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:21:13 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Presumably this is someone trying to DOS me? Message-ID: <1117711273.4221.5.camel@mayday.localdomain> See the httpd access_log fragment below... I get a series of these every six hours or so and the numbers appear to be building albeit very slowly. Nothing to worry about now, but might be in the future... as the IP is an aol address it is well chosen by the attacker to make it difficult to block ... unless someone has an alternative explanation? 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:19:42:30 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:19:43:04 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:19:43:29 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:19:52:44 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:23:50 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:32:02 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:32:38 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:32:50 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:33:46 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:35:14 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:37:47 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:38:31 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:45:18 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:46:11 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:47:01 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:47:36 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:47:50 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:48:44 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:52:40 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:53:04 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:20:57:11 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:06:22 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:08:48 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:09:22 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:10:35 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:11:46 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:12:59 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:13:34 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:18:28 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:19:04 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:21:00 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:21:38 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:23:16 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:23:26 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:25:47 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:25:59 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:28:46 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:30:21 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:30:57 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:31:22 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:34:00 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:35:30 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:21:36:09 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 "-" "-" -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If someone would like to convince me otherwise, please do ! -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk Tue Jun 14 15:46:17 2005 From: ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk (Ian Lewis) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:46:17 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Network upgrades Message-ID: > > We're just starting a network upgrade as our kit is ancient > and our backups > > aren't worth the tape they are written on. The upgrade path > will involve the > > use of Network Attached Storage which we have no experience of here. > > > I agree with what Rich says. > I can't disagree, it's a very good point. > If budget is important to you, > you can build your own http://www.openfiler.org/ > > There is a commercially supported version, with hardware. Thanks for the link I'll give it a try this week. Ian -- Ever tried, ever failed. No matter. Try again, fail again. Fail better - Samuel Beckett -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 10 16:12:12 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:12:12 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Linux -> windows issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118419932.23121.31.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 17:04 +0100, Matthew Cooke wrote: > I'm getting desperate so I thought I'd see if anyone could help despite this > really being a windows issue. > I have jmDNS (a java multicast DNS implementation) running as part of an > application I'm developing. In linux the multicast DNS works ok but I can't > seem to get it to work under Windows XP. Do you mean this works if the server is on Linux but not if it is on XP? Or something else like it works for Linux clients but not XP clients? > > Using Ethereal I can see packets being sent to 224.0.0.251 but I never seem > to receive them on another windows XP machine. The windows firewalls are all > turned off. And you can ping these boxes from the server? I know that is teaching you how to suck eggs and all, but you have to ask... > > Any ideas? > > Matt. > > -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also statistically the dropped packets will sometimes be your keep alive packets... Wireless if fine as long as it is all connected via cables. Seriously though connect your access points via cat5 and all your problems should go away. It'll only be one cable to run. Cheers Liam > > >The problem is that when using ssh, ftp or vnc, the connection is often > > >lost. > > > > > By any chance do you live in the flight path of one of the airports? > > Somewhere around 1/3 of the traffic coming into Heathrow seems to knock > > my wireless for a loop, and TCP connections therefore drop. > > I'm not near a flightpath, fortunately by the sound of things! > > The connection here is tenuous, but I don't have any problems using ssh > from my compaq. > > [Thinkpad] <-> [Compaq, iptables] <-> [Belkin router next door] > > That's why I think there must be something wrong with my iptables rules. > > Have you tried using different aerials? > Tom Weissmann -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From huw-l at moving-picture.com Thu Jun 9 11:18:19 2005 From: huw-l at moving-picture.com (Huw Lynes) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:18:19 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Dell Poweredge 4200 In-Reply-To: <1118314940.3902.21.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1118313037.3902.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> <1118314289.2118.1.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> <1118314940.3902.21.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <1118315899.1848.3.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 12:02, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > Well it will boot the Knoppix CD, but not from the HD - it simply stops > after it has been through the SCSI initialisation. But now you come to > mention it, it does post up some message about the disks being wiped by > some IBM porgram - I wonder if I should do a low level format and try > again? So you are doing an install from the knoppix cd to /dev/sda1 ? When you reboot you don't get any LILO/GRUB messages? Huw -- | Huw Lynes | The Moving Picture Company | | System Administrator | 127 Wardour Street | |.........................| London, W1F 0NL | -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Thu Jun 16 10:49:57 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:49:57 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Support for thunderbird In-Reply-To: <1B70CC9B5A120A4881CF4070B6E05EF632CF34@hslukmail.uk.hornbill.com> References: <1B70CC9B5A120A4881CF4070B6E05EF632CF34@hslukmail.uk.hornbill.com> Message-ID: <42B15955.3020503@hoshy.co.uk> Mike Leigh wrote: >>How can I make it *not* mark mails as read when selecting >>them. There's an option in the Advanced settings but it >>doesn't seem to work. It's annoying me because it's the only >>thing stopping me migrating 25users from Outlook. >> >> > >I just tried the same thing and you are right. With the option turned off >as soon as you click the mail it marks it as read. A workaround could be to >use the mark as read feature and set the time limit to 99999999. Also did >you know that you can use the 'm' key to toggle the mark as read status. > >Also try searching the bugzilla database to see if this is an existing bug. > >Thanks > >Mike > > Thanks Mike. I did think of the large number solution but the bossman of the company I'm working for is worried that he may miss the one email, should it timeout overnight. Did you check if 99999999 was the largest number tbird will accept? I'll do it later when I get a chance. Will also check bugzilla and file a report if needs be. You didn't mention if you were using the linux, mac or windows version? I, unfortunately, am using the windows version. Cheers, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Mon Jun 6 12:12:41 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:12:41 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Distribution Lists In-Reply-To: <20050606112518.GA20742@xiao.rsnet> References: <42A430DA.9070505@hoshy.co.uk> <20050606112518.GA20742@xiao.rsnet> Message-ID: <42A43DB9.8050602@hoshy.co.uk> Russell Howe wrote: >On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 12:17:46PM +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I'm looking into simple methods to create distrbution lists that don't >>require subscriptions and will only accept mail from internal addresses. >> >>I was going to use simple aliases but that would be open to external >>mis-use. Mailman seems like an overkill. >> >>Any ideas of something to do the job, or even how to make postfix only >>accept mail for list1 at example.com from internal hosts? >> >> > >Postfix can look up aliases via LDAP. > >No, I've never set it up :) > > > Thanks. I'm going to migrate aliases from flat file to ldap once the configuration is working. In related matters, I found the psotfix directives to check access file to do restriction based on who the mail is to. using: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/access as per docs. ran postmap /etc/postfix/access to generate the hashed file permissions are ok but telneting to the server I can connect but don't get a banner. Any thoughts would be appriciated, in the meantime I'll be playing with syntax. Cheers, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Thu Jun 30 16:35:10 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:35:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] GND In-Reply-To: <17092.7660.590655.863636@chiark.greenend.org.uk> References: <17092.7660.590655.863636@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: <42C41F3E.7020905@hinterlands.org> David Damerell wrote: > I notice GND's Website has evaporated. I hope this doesn't mean they > have? > None of the three authorative name servers are returning any zone data for gnd.com The domain itself it still registered and valid. A glitch perhaps? Mart. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dwilson at unixdaemon.net Sat Jun 11 22:04:55 2005 From: dwilson at unixdaemon.net (Dean Wilson) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:04:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] GLLUG Thank-yous Message-ID: <20050611220455.GA29541@unixdaemon.net> Another GLLUG done and dusted, I just wanted to say some thank yous. For donating their Saturday to come and speak, the speakers: Stig Brautaset Christian Smith CL (Chia-liang) Kao Matthew Bloch Ian Pratt I'll post an email in a week or so with links to the slides and hopefully some recordings of the talks. The more behind the scenes help: Sean Tohill for getting us the venue. Frank Scott for recording the talks. I'd also like to thank Outcome Technologies (http://www.outcometechnologies.com) for giving us some sponsorship money to buy the speakers some food and drink. This was much appreciated and if any other companies want to give us some money please let the admin team know! And finally the audience for turning up and not lynching me when it looked like the projectors were going to play dead. Thanks. Dean -- Dean Wilson http://www.unixdaemon.net Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mike.leigh at hornbill.com Wed Jun 1 08:22:19 2005 From: mike.leigh at hornbill.com (Mike Leigh) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:22:19 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Web hosting Message-ID: <1B70CC9B5A120A4881CF4070B6E05EF632CEFE@hslukmail.uk.hornbill.com> Ian Norton wrote: > When I had a re-seller account with fasthosts they were the > biggest bunch of monkeys ever, the support people would often > say things like "you cant get on our ftp server because you > aren't using internet explorer"... This I have heard rom other people. I have not yet met any of those support people during my conversations/emails with them. > While experimenting with ASP (spit) I noticed thier ASP > test/tutorial server had the old ASP upload/download bug > where you could use thier example scripts to > upload/download/overwrite any file on thier system. A > friendly email pointing out that the server was vulnrable > resulted in a rather nasty email threatening termination of > our account*. They even went as far as saying that it was not > a security issue and that resellers had access to that machine... Hhmm they could have responded differently on that. Like thanks for that info we will correct it or something more appropriate :) Well I have not had a reseller account and before I chose fasthosts I did my usual Google hunting for bad reviews. I found that most of these bad reviews were over 2 years old and there was not very much recently. So I decided to take the plunge and pay for a years dedicated hosting. So far their support/uptime has been/is better than my existing host. I am still moving domains/dns entries to fasthosts and from what I have seen first hand I can honestly praise fasthosts. This is from a dedicated server point of view as I have not dealt with them for reseller accounts or shared hosting. Mike -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Wed Jun 1 20:57:38 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:57:38 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: References: <200506011626.j51GQlnT005556@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: <429E2142.3050307@hinterlands.org> Rich Walker wrote: >cheers, Rich [who had high hopes for greylisting once...] > > I greylist. I get effectively _zero_ spam[0] and the very very few viruses/worms and spams that get past that get zapped by clamav and spamassassin. Mart. [0] I'm up to my second spam message since the new year, and that was UCE from a company who then honoured my unsubscribe request. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Wed Jun 8 12:10:47 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:10:47 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:38:46 BST." <20050608113846.GD9700@phaistos.bruce> Message-ID: <200506081210.j58CAl9w022652@isengard.accucard.com> Bruce Richardson writes: >That's not enough even for change tracking, let alone change management. >Using a revision control system to track /etc, for example, allows >sysadmins a) to check whether the machine they are working on is in a >consitent, approved state, b) to roll back to a previous state if >they've messed something up and c) having made successful changes, to >check in the new consistent state, adding in comments to explain what >has been done. We use AIDE to verify that the machine is in a consistent, approved state. Any changes are detected, and a simple web front end lets us add annotations to explain the reasons for the change (which should tie in to a change request number, although they don't always do so yet). As for who's made the change, you'd need process accounting or something like systrace/dtrace to be able to see that sort of information, which starts getting pretty invasive and potentially harms performance. Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From caparo at saltmine.org.uk Mon Jun 27 12:33:07 2005 From: caparo at saltmine.org.uk (Caparo) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:33:07 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050627121707.GN29374@thebowery.co.uk> References: <200506271131.j5RBVCjB028682@isengard.accucard.com> <200506271239.32997.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> <20050627121707.GN29374@thebowery.co.uk> Message-ID: <200506271333.07376.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> On Monday 27 June 2005 1:17, Adam Bower wrote: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 12:39:32PM +0100, Caparo wrote: > > You mean to say that the service is SO BAD that tech support live in > > fear of their lives, is there a new crime surfing rage now? > > I once had a nutcase phone me up demanding support, this was when I was > working somewhere as both *the* sys-admin and support guy (was a small > company) if you phoned up you got to speak to me and that was it, the > only other possibility was that you could speak to the contractor we got > in to cover when I was on holiday etc. but he hadn't been in for the > previous 3 months. > > Anyhow, this nutcase gave me plenty of verbal because he claimed he had > spoken to "Bob" about his technical problem last week, and that "Bob" had > promised he would have fixed it by now yadda yadda but he hadn't. He then > told me that I was lying when I said we didn't have anyone called "Bob" > working for us and that somebody in the technial dept. must have lied to > him when giving him a name to get out of fixing his problem. > > He then accused me of lying and being antagonistic and told me that he > was going to complain about me to my boss and get me sacked (and he was > also going to get Bob sacked) because we were incompetant and didn't know > what we were talking about. He then threatened me with violence as > apparently I was "being a smartarse" when I explained to him how big the > technical dept. was and that he must have been mistaken. > > Anyhow, I'm not the kind of person who ever feel intimidated by people > threatening violence, especially over the phone, but I can certainly > understand companies giving people psuedonyms and assumed names given > how threatening he was being. If you were working for a bigger company > I can imagine that you will find plenty more nutters phoning you up. > > Oh, and it turned out that the reason for his technical problem was that > he had never paid any of his bills, and even after he had been phoned > and had letters written to him many months earlier we had pulled the > plug on him 6 months prior to his phone call. Now I look back on the > incident the guy was either a total moron or possibly mentally ill. > > Thanks > Adam > -- > jabberid = quinophex at jabber.earth.li > AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem Hmm, It seems then I have been lucky in all the years in IT of never having to deal with anyone but the odd IT challanged individual. Mind you I am a hands on guy who paid regular visits to the clientel and having met me the idea of threatening me seemed to be very remote. Being 6'2" and 200+lb and ex regiment does have its compensations. As one other poster assumed my last mail was very tongue in cheek since I am a client of Demons and have not so far had a problem with them or their tech support. -- TTFN ^ ? ? @ @ ? ? ? /V\ ? ? ? /( ? )\ ?Caparo ? ?^^ ^^ ? ? http://www.saltmine.org.uk -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 9 19:55:26 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 20:55:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Dell Poweredge 4200 In-Reply-To: <1118342773.3902.66.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu 09 Jun, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 18:48 +0100, Chris Bell wrote: > > > > Dell boxes do give problems, but why do you want to install Knoppix > > instead of using the new Debian installer to install the now-released > > v3.1r0a "Sarge"? There is a new installation manual complete with hints on > > dealing with problem hardware. > > > Because I need to get a distro on the thing to get the network installed > and the distro I had hanging around was Knoppix. > > > > -- > Adrian McMenamin > > I have a box with both a CDROM drive and a CD R/W drive, which allowed me to boot and run from a Knoppix CD, configure a temporary network, download an ISO image, and burn it to a writable CD. The Debian "businesscard" installer ISO is about 30 MBytes, and will set up networking, download the correct kernel for your hardware, and install "Sarge". The 100 MByte "netinstall" ISO installs only the general purpose kernel, and is principally aimed at developers who need to do repeated simple and possibly incomplete installations, perhaps off-line. There are 14 CD's in the full CD set, and just downloading the small amount of software that you need really does benefit from a broadband connection. It will probably be possible to burn some CD's on Saturday. -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Mon Jun 13 13:56:42 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:56:42 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [YA-OT] PA-RISC D-Class 9000 Message-ID: <42AD909A.3070105@hoshy.co.uk> Hi, I'm at a client who's suffered at power failure and it looks like this box hasn't come up correctly. Normally I'd walk away from this in a client environment but the boss (client) has asked me to "at least give it a go" after the usual warnings. Some of the client machine have a telnet to what I think is the machine ip. The machine is up however the front panel shows "warn". It seems to be stuck in some kind of text editor. Anybody know how exit common editors, does this thing have VTs? I think I could figure out at least how to check the network and reboot and look at logs if I could make it to a terminal. Any tid bits would be welcome. Thanks. Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From itsbruce at uklinux.net Wed Jun 8 11:25:59 2005 From: itsbruce at uklinux.net (Bruce Richardson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:25:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: References: <1118142466.5212.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050608112559.GC9700@phaistos.bruce> On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 10:44:34AM +0000, Wayne wrote: > Hi All, > > anyone have any experience with change management software? We could > deploy CVS across all of our servers to track changes of config files > etc, but we are looking for something a bit more 'wordy'. needs to run on > Linux/Solaris, and GNU if possible You should consider svk. The advantage it offers over CVS or subversion is that it doesn't add any cruft to the checked-out version. Consider the problem of using cvs to manage /etc, for example: all directories within /etc will have CVS subdirectories in them. That means that you have /etc/skel/CVS, which is a pest. You could exclude /etc/skel from cvs management but I'd say that skel files are actually important things to monitor. -- Bruce What would Edward Woodward do? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 261 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Mon Jun 13 19:14:13 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:14:13 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] mysql binary logs In-Reply-To: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> References: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Message-ID: <42ADDB05.3050401@hinterlands.org> Alain Williams wrote: > The database itself works (queries/selects) -- I just can't get the logging to appear to do anything. A read only operation wouldn't need to write a log. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk Tue Jun 28 15:02:55 2005 From: ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk (Ian Lewis) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:02:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] OpenOffice question Message-ID: > Is it possible to have the "Save" button save in both formats? > It might be worth trying a macro to do both at the same time.. Ian -- Ever tried, ever failed. No matter. Try again, fail again. Fail better - Samuel Beckett > Rich. > > -- > Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. > Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com > Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From richard at zygous.co.uk Tue Jun 28 22:34:43 2005 From: richard at zygous.co.uk (Richard Turner) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:34:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced In-Reply-To: References: <200506281917.35220.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> <87wtoe2mcv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <1119997352.2940.4.camel@melkor.zygous.co.uk> Message-ID: <1119998083.2940.9.camel@melkor.zygous.co.uk> On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 23:28 +0100, Rich Walker wrote: > Didn't RM teach M$ a lot about customer lockin? I seem to recall some > interesting stuff from the day about the many ways RM fileservers were > subtly incompatible with others, horror stories about RM sales > tactics, > and so on. Yep, I believe so. I once chatted to the headmaster of a school in Plymouth about it - he told me that they're "very scrict about compatibility". Some people are happy to be locked-in because they don't really understand what that means, apart from the fact that it's simpler to always buy their kit from the same company! RM hardware is customised so as to ensure it won't talk to normal kit :( > (And if the Nimbus is still being bought, that's one impressive piece > of > lockin. I never saw a Nimbus run for a whole day...) Oops! I didn't mean to say that the Nimbus is still going - I've no idea about that - but I know that RM is still peddling its wares. Tesco's 'Computers for Schools' vouchers have 'RM' emblazoned across them :( Cheers, Richard. -- "Racing turtles, the grapefruit is winning..." 30F2739E: B53 8184 E61F 3604 FBF3 4CCB EF07 2942 30F2 739E -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From gllug at ml.icemark.net Mon Jun 13 09:31:54 2005 From: gllug at ml.icemark.net (Benedikt Heinen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:31:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Grepping tab-completions In-Reply-To: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> References: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > I'm trying to remember the command that will let me use KDE io-slaves > from bash, and I think it starts with 'k' and contains 'exec'. So what > I'd like to do is pipe the names of all the commands available on my > path that begin with 'k' through grep, but haven't a clue how. > > What's an easy way to search the path like this? You mean - something like this? find ` echo $PATH | tr : ' ' ` -maxdepth 1 -type f -name "k*exec*" Benedikt -- Gaudeo te illud de me rogavisse. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Mon Jun 13 22:35:30 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:35:30 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] mysql binary logs In-Reply-To: <20050613222750.GC5699@xiao.rsnet> References: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42ADDB05.3050401@hinterlands.org> <42ADE4C8.4070308@hinterlands.org> <20050613210728.GA5699@xiao.rsnet> <200506132210455.SM01660@smtp1.wiss.co.uk> <20050613220355.GB5699@xiao.rsnet> <200506132313768.SM01660@smtp1.wiss.co.uk> <20050613222750.GC5699@xiao.rsnet> Message-ID: <42AE0A32.3070309@hinterlands.org> Russell Howe wrote: > Or rather, surely if you can select into temporary tables, you could > implement subselects fairly trivially (if not perhaps particularly > efficiently)? I see what you're saying, and you _are_ right. There's not much difference between (a) and (a(b)) when (a) is your temporary table and (b) is a select on (a). Welcome to MySQL where transactions are not something most people need and just slow things down. Interestingly MySQL implemented transactions in _exactly_ the same way I did. i.e. they used a different database. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Fri Jun 10 10:07:02 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:07:02 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <42A85E64.9020703@pigeonhold.com> (Doug Winter's message of "Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:21:08 +0100") References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> <42A85E64.9020703@pigeonhold.com> Message-ID: <87y89izfsp.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005, Doug Winter wrote: > Joel Bernstein wrote: >> That's not a valid form for an RFC2822 address. It should be: >> "Firstname Surname" or simply . > > Actually, there is one other acceptable (however ancient and deprecated) form you do see occasionally: > > mailbox at domain.com (Firstname Surname) You can do both, in any order. This is valid: "Nix" nix at esperi.org.uk (The Immortal and All-Powerful One) -- `It's as bizarre an intrusion as, I don't know, the hobbits coming home to find that the Shire has been taken over by gangsta rappers.' -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Thu Jun 2 17:25:52 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:25:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <200506021453.44875.mimo@gn.apc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Moritz wrote: > Thought this was about the reduction of mail server load, not weird MTA > implementations... If you don't care more about deliverying legitimate email than preserving your resources you should not be operating an ISP. > BTW, there is still a problem with this. What does one of these "critical > upstream MTAs" do when it is confronted with a genuine 4xx message? Does it > just lose the message, seriously? I think that's even more worrying than > greylisting... Yes it is however the introduction of greylisting compounds such problems. Jason -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From bredroll at darkspace.org.uk Tue Jun 21 23:16:23 2005 From: bredroll at darkspace.org.uk (Ian Norton-Badrul,,,) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:16:23 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Iptables with bridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050621231623.GC7080@satellite> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 08:09:11PM +0100, Chris Bell wrote: > I have an old box with Debian Sarge and three ethernet cards running > brctl (bridge control) as a 2-way bridge to FORWARD packets under iptables > rules, while the third interface is only used for remote admin access from > a specified source under iptables rules. This works as I would expect. > > I have another old box with Debian Sarge and three ethernet cards running > brctl (bridge control) as a 3-way bridge to FORWARD packets under iptables > rules. > > All interfaces are shown normally as "UP", but they appear to only work > as part of the bridge, not as individual interfaces. Is this the expected > action? Hi Chris, brctl and it's friends are intended to allow you to turn your linux box with two or more ethernet cards into a very clever form of ethernet switch, the devices you add to a bridge will simply serve to recieve and transmit the ethernet frames. These cards will run in promisc mode meaning that they will 'see' all packets, not just those directed at thier MAC addresses. Only the ethernet bridge interface will respond as a normal ethernet device. ie:- ifconfig eth0 up ifconfig eth1 up brctl addbr br0 brctl br0 addif eth0 brctl br0 addif eth1 ifconfig br0 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.128 will glue togther the two ethernet networks attached to eth1 and eth0 via your machine, and your machine will then be identified as 192.168.0.1. no iptables stuff happens at all here, it is an ethernet bridge, even old ipx stuff will run over it, Ian -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jun 29 05:13:59 2005 From: chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk (Christopher Hunter) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:13:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced In-Reply-To: <87wtoe2mcv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> References: <200506281917.35220.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> <87wtoe2mcv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <200506290613.59738.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> On Tuesday 28 Jun 2005 22:38, Nix wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Christopher Hunter stated: > > On Tuesday 28 Jun 2005 10:36, Chris Bell wrote: > > There have been NO "government" IT initiatives that have ever worked > > under the current bunch of criminals. > > You seem to have a few unnecessary words on the end of that sentence. > > If you remove everything after `worked', it's just as true. Not really - there were a few things that mostly worked prior to the current lot. What really annoys me is that Blair's bunch portrayed themselves as "whiter than white" and different to the last lot, but they actually turned out to be much worse. At least you KNEW that the previous lot were corrupt and didn't really try to hide it - this crowd are as corrupt as African dictatorships and take great pains to conceal it! Chris -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Wed Jun 22 11:38:32 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:38:32 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... In-Reply-To: <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> References: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 12:35 +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > > > > > > > That must be running the GPL'd version of Solaris then, eh ? Is that a pun on Galaxy/Solaris? Groan. Actually it runs SuSE. We paint go-faster stripes on the side with our SCore parallel environment. Standard MPI libraries, but a low latency gigabit layer. You need low latency to get the parallel performance to acceptable levels. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dev at archonet.com Thu Jun 9 15:07:57 2005 From: dev at archonet.com (Richard Huxton) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:07:57 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <20050609144335.GT8359@rumble.net> References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> <42A8551D.7080904@hoshy.co.uk> <20050609144335.GT8359@rumble.net> Message-ID: <42A85B4D.8020706@archonet.com> Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Ashley Evans wrote: > > >>I've no idea how these address came to exist in Outlook anyway. > > > I just tested this in Outlook 2003 with Simon Rumble [simon at rumble.net] > and it changed the address to the valid Simon Rumble . > Perhaps it was something in older versions of LookOut and that's why it > automagically converts them for you? Outlook 2000 lets you enter all sorts of rubbish into the address-field and will try to send it too. Sample: ??$%^*&aaron.com Presumably there's an exchange-server addressing mode that lets you use arbitrary names. -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mamading at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 14:55:37 2005 From: mamading at gmail.com (Mamading Ceesay) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:55:37 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] GnuCash vs KMyMoney Message-ID: <57a9359705060807551bb0687f@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Anybody here have experience of using GnuCash and/or KMyMoney for managing their personal finances? I would appreciate informed commentary on their comparative merits and fitness for use by a UK taxpayer. I'm aware that GnuCash can also handle small business bookkeeping and accounts but I'm not so interested in that aspect at this point. -- Mamading Ceesay "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." -- R. Buckminster Fuller -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Fri Jun 3 13:58:31 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:58:31 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Installing Flash player on Debian In-Reply-To: <20050603134800.GG29830@rumble.net> References: <20050603133027.GA15290@furbychan.cocan.org> <20050603132944.GF29830@rumble.net> <20050603134710.GB15290@furbychan.cocan.org> <20050603134800.GG29830@rumble.net> Message-ID: <20050603135831.GB18818@furbychan.cocan.org> On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 02:48:01PM +0100, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > Will at least tell you it Flash really is working, then you can work out > why it's not coming up in the autodetection crap. I tried it with a few websites from the b3ta newsletter last week. Flash is definitely not working. Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pdr at createservices.com Thu Jun 16 14:20:41 2005 From: pdr at createservices.com (Pete Ryland) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:20:41 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] to-do list manager tui or gui for debian In-Reply-To: <20050616122308.GF14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> References: <20050616122308.GF14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050616142040.GA16505@createservices.com> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 01:23:08 +0100, Ben Fitzgerald wrote: > Hi, > > can anyone on the list recommend a to-do list manager that is packaged > for debian? > > It wouldn't have to be a full-blown project management app. I just need > to be able to add tasks, mark as done, importance. > > it's just for one person. I don't need to book hours for individuals > etc. Perhaps try trac: http://www.edgewall.com/trac/ Pete -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 28 09:36:02 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:36:02 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced Message-ID: Hello, I have seen a report that biometric visa applications may be outsourced to India. Perhaps we should outsource the UK government as well, with all the benefits of lower costs, yet having absolutely no detrimental effects? -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 18:41:50 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:41:50 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Find non-7-bit characters in files In-Reply-To: <20050616170244.GA13235@furbychan.cocan.org> References: <20050616170244.GA13235@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: On 6/16/05, Richard Jones wrote: > Here's a small Thursday afternoon puzzler for everyone. > > I hae a large number of files (HTML files in fact, not that it > matters). A clueless^Wevil web monkey^Wdesigner has hidden bytes in > them that are in the range 0x80 - 0xff, so the files aren't valid > UTF-8. > > I want to find those characters. Preferably quickly from the command > line. > > I tried various combinations of egrep with the [:print:] character, > but to no avail. tr -d '\200-\240' good_code ...will remove characters from the range you specified. However, your question leads me to trawl through memory and mailing-lists - I think you may find that these evil characters are a know Microsoftism. >From the ISO 8859-1 National Character Set FAQ: 18.4 MS-Windows Microsoft Windows uses an ISO 8859-1 compatible character set (Code Page 1252), as delivered in the US, Europe (except Eastern Europe) and Latin America. In Windows 3.1, Microsoft has added additional characters in the 0x80-0x9F range. Hence, I think your 80-FF character set may be overly restrictive. $ echo 'obase=8;ibase=16;80;9F' | bc 200 237 So, simply substitute 237 for 240 above. > Rich. S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Mon Jun 13 22:03:56 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:03:56 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] mysql binary logs In-Reply-To: <200506132210455.SM01660@smtp1.wiss.co.uk> References: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42ADDB05.3050401@hinterlands.org> <42ADE4C8.4070308@hinterlands.org> <20050613210728.GA5699@xiao.rsnet> <200506132210455.SM01660@smtp1.wiss.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050613220355.GB5699@xiao.rsnet> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 10:09:57PM +0100, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > Russell Howe wrote: > >I thought MySQL didn't do subselects? Maybe later versions do... > > SELECTing into a temporary table is different to a subselect. Bizarre. If it can do one, it should certainly be able to emulate the other. -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Fri Jun 10 13:36:32 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:36:32 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies Message-ID: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> Hi, Google returns a myriad of companies. Anybody with positive first hand experience ? Regards, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Thu Jun 23 11:03:17 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:03:17 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] x.org 6.8.2 and backspace In-Reply-To: <87ekauuiff.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> References: <20050622171204.GA27304@furbychan.cocan.org> <87ekauuiff.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <20050623110317.GA21094@furbychan.cocan.org> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 11:37:40PM +0100, Nix wrote: > What key does xev say is generated when you hit backspace? If it's not > BackSpace, the problem is Xkb (unlikely, but I've seen it happen): > otherwise, it's readline and/or the terminal emulator to blame. It says: KeyPress event, serial 21, synthetic NO, window 0x1e00001, root 0x40, subw 0x1e00002, time 347705745, (52,50), root:(352,130), state 0x0, keycode 22 (keysym 0xff08, BackSpace), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (08) " XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (08) " XFilterEvent returns: False and indeed now doing: xmodmap -e 'keycode 22 = BackSpace' does fix the problem (I didn't realise one had to restart xterms for the change to take effect - duh). Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Fri Jun 17 16:50:12 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:50:12 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Creative Industries forum Message-ID: Those of you on the FSF mailing lists may already know about this, but there's another Government Forum for dialogue with the public about IP and suchlike. You have to register to look at it! To quote MJ Ray: (see news:gmane.org.fsf.uk for the original) > Please pass this report on and encourage people to tell the > government about the importance of a permissive approach to > the UK's culture, whether by encouraging native companies > (instead of UK arms of internationals), helping to preserve > our native languages, or any of the other benefits. > Register for the discussion on the DCMS site as detailed on > http://www.culture.gov.uk/creative_industries/discussionforum.htm cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mimo at restoel.net Wed Jun 1 16:09:13 2005 From: mimo at restoel.net (mimo) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:09:13 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <20050601064512.GD20742@shapero.com> References: <20050601064512.GD20742@shapero.com> Message-ID: <200506011709.13561.mimo@restoel.net> A proper ISP -- like the one I am working for ;) -- should run spamassassin for you... and also greylisting... and proper SMTP servers ..and... mimo On Wednesday 01 June 2005 07:45, Craig Millar wrote: > i've been using/testing/playing with spamassassin for a while and the only > thing that bothers me about it is that it is damned slow and nails > processing time. to my mind it a great solution apart from this drain on my > limited resources. so, i googled for alternatives and have turned up > bogofilter. i have been unable to find a decent comparison between the two. > has anyone used bogofilter? is the performance of bogofilter a trade off > for its effectiveness, for example? is it as easy to maintain/train as > spamassassin? > > thanks, craig -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Sat Jun 25 19:38:12 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:38:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, Liam Smit wrote: > Bulldog tends to push the envolope. I know they have been offering 4mb > ADSL connections for a long time. They are now offering 8mb > connections. They also offer SDSL. I know a few people who work there. All well and good and I would contract with Bulldog (C&W) to resell their offerings except that they insist upon fairly high sales targets and that we sign a overarching NDA before they would discuss reseller pricing. For UKFSN that's just not worth the bother. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ 2Mb ADSL Broadband from just ?19.99 / month -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dwilson at unixdaemon.net Sun Jun 5 12:15:07 2005 From: dwilson at unixdaemon.net (Dean Wilson) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:15:07 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] GLLUG 11th June 2005 Meeting Message-ID: <20050605121506.GA17353@unixdaemon.net> This is the final annoucement (I'll send a reminder next Friday) and we're up to four very interesting talks. If you are on any mailing lists that may find any of these talks interesting please forward this email on. June 11th 2005 GLLUG (Week to go!) Announcement Short version: New speaker added and more details on Matthew Bloch's talk. I'm pleased to announce that the next GLLUG meeting will be held on June 11th between 13:30 and 18:00 at New Cavendish Street campus of Westminster University. This is located in the shadow of the BT Tower. The nearest tube stations are Great Portland Street, Warren Street and Goodge Street. Tottenham Court Road and Oxford Circus are also within easy walking distance. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?postcode2map?W1W+6UW This event is FREE to members and non-members. Eventually the details for this meeting will live at: http://gllug.org.uk/meeting-20050611.html But for now you can find them at: http://www.unixdaemon.net/gllug_20050611.html -------------------------- Speakers: -------------------------- We currently have four talks lined up for this meeting, I'll post updates with the full, speaker provided summaries as I get them. The talks (assuming no problems!) will run in this order with a number of short breaks to allow toilet/drink runs. Please don't go to the same room for both :) Christian Smith (Micromuse) and Stig Brautaset (Fotango) Autoconf, Automake and libtool, collectively known as Autotools, provide a portable platform for project configuration and build management. This talk will introduce the concepts used within autotools and an example autotools based project to demonstrate these concepts. Chia-liang Kao (Fotango) -- NEW SPEAKER! Version Control without the Headaches - recap of various version control systems, and the slow evolution. - what svk learned and has stolen the best part from other systems. - how svk helps in an environment that svn is already deployed. - how svk helps sysadmins: painless distributed /etc versioning. - svk development strategy, and why you can trust it even it's Matthew Bloch (Bytemark) Using Ruby on Rails to manage a growing network My emphasis will be on a show & tell approach to building a Rails application, as well as a brief introduction to Ruby. I want to demonstrate some of the tricks we can do to automate all our ISP- related chores: - DHCP configuration to put our unsold dedicated servers to work as a super-speedy compile farm; - DNS configuration to address individual servers by physical location (did I just break that server? uh... ping u27.rack4.telehouse etc.) - IP address allocation and tracking, automatic routing of abuse emails - Automatic configuration of Ciscos for terminal servers, routing and ADSL configuration. Ian Pratt (Xen) A discussion of Xen with a deeper technical focus on certain features. Note: Unfortunately Michael Meeks won't be able to speak at this meeting as previously announced, despite his patience and very generous flexibility in scheduling, I was unable to accommodate all the speakers on the date of the event. -------------------------- After the talks we'll be heading over to the (5 minutes away) Greenman Pub for drinks and then off for food at a to be decided restaurant. Thanks for this meeting go to: * Sean Tohill for providing, and being very flexible with, the venue. * Michael Meeks for putting up with my rescheduling. * The speakers for donating their time. Dean -- Dean Wilson http://www.unixdaemon.net Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mpcooke3 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 25 23:00:09 2005 From: mpcooke3 at hotmail.com (Matthew Cooke) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:00:09 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <580806e9050625110230c319cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <580806e9050625110230c319cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42BDE1F9.9070602@hotmail.com> Darren Beale wrote: >On 6/25/05, Joel Bernstein wrote: > > >>On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 10:24:30AM +0100, Liam Smit wrote: >> >> >>>Hi >>> >>>Bulldog tends to push the envolope. I know they have been offering 4mb >>>ADSL connections for a long time. They are now offering 8mb >>>connections. They also offer SDSL. I know a few people who work there. >>> >>> >>You've got to be kidding. I am currently a Bulldog LLU victim [customer >>is the wrong word] and I've never seen or heard of /any/ other company >>with such incredibly shit service or staff. >> >> > >What he said. > >We got a - thankfully, only backup - Bulldog line 6 months ago. Every >time we had to call to fix everything that they broke, we got through >to the dept of not giving a fuck. Tech support knew less than my Mum >about networking. > >I've been a happy Zen customer for 3+ years now but I think it's time >to switch as even though their support is great (not that I've ever >needed much) they are too expensive I think. > > I'm on zen, its good but slow and expensive. Is ukonline any good? Was happier on telewest, which had a couple of short outages but a 4mb/s service. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Fri Jun 10 07:07:10 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:07:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] New hard disk needed - nearby suppliers? In-Reply-To: <20050610064238.GA25519@tinsleyviaduct.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Phil Reynolds wrote: > I'm really looking across Harrow, Barnet and Enfield, though wouldn't > rule out other areas. Main thing is, it must be in a reasonable area to > drive to, as, unless they give me the OK at the hospital, I won't be > able to walk, and therefore the Underground will be out of the question. Is Watford out of range for you? If not rlsupplies (www.rlsupplies.co.uk) are very good in my experience. Jason Clifford -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ ADSL Broadband from just ?15.99 / month -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Mon Jun 13 17:09:29 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:09:29 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Recovering ISOs from a FUBARed HDD In-Reply-To: <20050613163137.GL19591@fysh.org> (Joel Bernstein's message of "Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:31:37 +0100") References: <1118679556.2416.5.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <20050613163137.GL19591@fysh.org> Message-ID: Joel Bernstein writes: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 05:19:15PM +0100, John Winters wrote: >> Now my question - is there any way I could have done it if I hadn't had >> the USB device to hand? Any way of getting those files over the network >> using either Knoppix or the Sarge installation CD? I thought you could get NFS mount to work during install? (I could be wrong, but I *thought* you could). But if you have to go down this route again, PXEBoot of a rescue CD would probably be less painful... > I don't know what tools either provides, but I can think of a few *evil* > ways to transfer a file between machines without any decent > file-transfer stuff. [snip] Waggling the cassette relay on a BBC micro, connecting the output to a key on a BBC Master Compact and using that to transfer a ROM into Sideways RAM? cheers Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 18 12:34:14 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 13:34:14 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] proxy-arp and a vpn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1119098054.5594.11.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2005-06-18 at 13:05 +0100, Chris Bell wrote: > > There might be another problem caused by intermittent direct connections > which by-pass the bridge, causing havoc with the packet filtering. You mean the bridged client manages to talk directly to the ADSL router? Unlikely since the two networks use different WEP keys. It seems quite hit and miss. Today is a good day, I can read emails off the Exchange server at work. Did I really say that? You know what I mean... TW ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Mon Jun 20 09:44:37 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:44:37 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Planet GLLUG? In-Reply-To: <42B34E4D.4010805@black1.org.uk> References: <20050617143857.GX5322@rumble.net> <42B34E4D.4010805@black1.org.uk> Message-ID: <20050620094437.GC6728@rumble.net> This one time, at band camp, andrew Black wrote: > Personally I am agnostic as far as blogs go - they seem to be a lot of > chat. The headline "Got a haircut today" somewhat feeds my prejudice. > > If someone would like to convince me otherwise, please do ! Yeah much of my blog posts are similarly mundane and non-geeky. However, it's entirely possible to subscribe to the RSS of individual categories, and I would suggest that planet.glllug.org.uk use my "geek" category. 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Cheers, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mintywalker at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 20:50:53 2005 From: mintywalker at gmail.com (Minty) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 21:50:53 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] quick exim question Message-ID: I'm getting a bunch of spam of the type: Received: from dynamic.dsl.spammer.relay.thing... From: admin at mydomain.com To: valid.user at mydomain.com and it's sailing right past spamassassin and confusing my mum, as she keeps getting emails telling her account is to be terminated. The From address can be a variey of things: webmaster@, accounts@ etc. None of the spoof'd From addresses are actual valid accounts. Is there a way to tell my exim (v3.35) or procmail (v3.22) or spamassassin on Debian Woody to reject/direct mail with a From: address that isn't a valid account on my domain to the spam bucket? Ideally, somewhere globally that automatically knows about valid users on the system so I don't have to maintain a seperate valid users list for procmail/exim/sa? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 29 19:03:59 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 20:03:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] My FC4 hell Message-ID: <1120071839.6690.3.camel@mayday.localdomain> Just a word of warning - be sure your hardware is supported by FC4 before you upgrade. I've just spent two days sorting it out: first of all the installer did not generate an initrd capable of actually booting my system (it seems this is fairly common for those without vanilla IDE disks). That was fixable when I worked out what the problem was because whoever wrote the rescue CD didn't make the same mistake. and then there was a problem with the generic kernel (i82365 driver is broken and seems to have been for some time). That wasn't fixable (at least I don't know enough about pcmcia devices to fix it, anyway). Well, it works now, at least. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon.wiehe at csfb.com Mon Jun 27 08:32:20 2005 From: simon.wiehe at csfb.com (Wiehe, Simon) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:32:20 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds Message-ID: <92CA923AAE010949A3A58BF744E5678501BB4A5F@elon11p32003.csfp.co.uk> > Incidentally, suggestions of anybody else who can provide preferably LLU > DSL in London NW6 accepted gratefully. If nobody else can do it I guess > I'll have to go back to a BT ipstream service - anybody recommend a > reasonably clueful ISP who don't take the piss and can do a 2MB+ circuit > for Bulldog money? I used Bulldog for just over a year. I didn't experience most of the problems people complain about, although I had the occasional disconnect. My biggest problem was lag on network gaming which I tracked down to an inordinate number of DOS attacks from other machines in the Bulldog ip range. I wanted to move from 512K to 2Mb and called Bulldog, eventually I go through to someone who told me that I could go to 8Mb if I moved my voice as well, I could not upgrade to 2Mb and keep my current phone service. So I switched to Nildram a few weeks back and what a difference. I get a customer service rep within a few minutes (and it tells me how many people are in the queue in front of me) not the usual 40+ for Bulldog. When I asked about a disconnection last week they could tell me that I had 3 over the weekend, 2 user initiated (I rebooted my router) and 1 by the exchange. It didn't reconnect but they could tell me it was because the exchange outage exceeded the retry range of my router. I am paying ?3 a month more than I was with Bulldog and I get a 2Mb line. The only downside is I have a 50GB limit on downloads between 8am and midnight. Bulldog are so incompetent that I didn't actually give them any money for 8 months and they never once contacted me about it. My credit card details were compromised and I was issued with a new card. I phoned to inform them and their system was unavailable so I decided to wait until they called me. They never did, I only paid up because I was leaving their service and they noticed :-) Nildram wins it for me. ============================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml ============================================================================== -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Thu Jun 16 11:34:58 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:34:58 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Support for thunderbird In-Reply-To: <42B151E2.3060203@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42B151E2.3060203@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050616113458.GA11183@xiao.rsnet> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 11:18:10AM +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > How can I make it *not* mark mails as read when selecting them. Hide the preview pane by dragging the divider to the bottom of the window. -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Tue Jun 14 11:38:27 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:38:27 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Dirty phishing ph***ers In-Reply-To: <42AEC0F4.50608@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42AEC0F4.50608@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <1118749107.6077.27.camel@Vigor12> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 12:35 +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > Hi, > > What's the most effective way to report: http://202.213.254.13/rpm/ Looking on the Halifax site: . Forward the e-mail to onlineemailinvestigations at hbosplc.com and then delete it immediately. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From bredroll at darkspace.org.uk Thu Jun 16 17:19:41 2005 From: bredroll at darkspace.org.uk (Ian Norton) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:19:41 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Connection reset by peer In-Reply-To: <1118929837.5627.15.camel@localhost> References: <1118929837.5627.15.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050616171941.GB20807@earth.dsh.org.uk> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 02:50:36PM +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > vnc and ssh are pretty much unusable for me, sessions keep breaking with > the error "Connection reset by peer". It must be to do with my network > setup, but'm having problems pinning it down. > > One computer connects to an ADSL router, and then acts as a gateway for > another network, using NAT. The computer that's directly connected to > the router doesn't have problems with ssh or vnc, but it's a headless > relic and no use for vnc (which is most useful to me) - it's the > computers that use the relic as a gateway that have problems. > > I've tried using ethereal to hunt down the problem, but don't really > know what I'm looking for. Nothing jumped out at me (I was sort of > hoping for a great big "connection reset by peer here") > > Any hints most gratefully received... Try setting the MTU setting on your wireless router to under 1500 bytes (1460ish) . I had this alot with wifi routers, ipip tunnels and other things going through a router that truncated packets (evil netgear). Ian -- Ian Norton-Badrul -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From bealers at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 10:37:38 2005 From: bealers at gmail.com (Darren Beale) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:37:38 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] VMware how do I access the guest when there is no host network connection? Message-ID: <580806e9050607033731154e78@mail.gmail.com> Hi The VMWare forum seems to break when I try to post so I figured I'd try here instead. I've a requirement to take my Win XP Pro Laptop to a conference tomorrow running a bunch of websites in a VM Ware (4.5.2) instance on a Debian (Sarge) guest. The good news is that it all works great WHEN the host has a network connection, when it doesn't (which it won't) then I can't access the guest via tcp/ip I installed the guest using bridging and after doing some reading it's become obvious to me why it's not working with no connection (i.e. there is nothing to bridge to). What is less obvious is how to get my guest to instead 'talk' to the host only adaptor. I've tried changing the /etc/network/interfaces file on the guest so they are the same subnet of the vmnet1 interface, with a default GW of the vmnet1 IP. I've also tried adding a virtual interface (e.g. eth0:0) and then a static route to vmnet1 for that subnet. In this instance the bridged one still works but I cannot ping the guest/host from either direction. I guess I'm confused how these virtual network interfaces are presented to the guest and how one accesses them. I did a 'discover' but it didn't come up with anything new and my knowledge of adding new hardware to a running linux system is pretty ropey at best. FWIW I do not have vmware tools installed, I tried but it needed kernel headers and as I've not needed the tools at all so far (and am under a tight deadline) I felt my energies were best used elsewhere. Advice much appreciated. Darren Beale -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mamading at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 14:23:55 2005 From: mamading at gmail.com (Mamading Ceesay) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:23:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] He doesn't give up... In-Reply-To: <429EEAB9.6030108@pauken.co.uk> References: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> <429EEAB9.6030108@pauken.co.uk> Message-ID: <57a93597050602072358d1c129@mail.gmail.com> On 6/2/05, Stephen Harker wrote: > > Que? > http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,1496717,00.html -- Mamading Ceesay "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." -- R. Buckminster Fuller -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Thu Jun 30 09:50:05 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 10:50:05 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Authentication in apache2 against a Windows domain In-Reply-To: <42C3BDDE.1060707@pecorous.co.uk> References: <42C3BDDE.1060707@pecorous.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050630095005.GA12608@xiao.rsnet> On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 10:39:42AM +0100, Jon Dye wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know if it is possible to setup apache to authenticate users > against a Windows domain controller? You can do LDAP auth and I think there's also an NTLM auth module too... Note that the LDAP stuff will by default be in cleartext! You can probably also do Kerberos proxy authentication, which would probably be the best way to do it, but I don't know how complicated it'd be... All the above should be doable by native Apache authentication modules, although you will probably be able to do them in PAM and have Apache auth against PAM... -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Mon Jun 13 21:07:29 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:07:29 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] mysql binary logs In-Reply-To: <42ADE4C8.4070308@hinterlands.org> References: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42ADDB05.3050401@hinterlands.org> <42ADE4C8.4070308@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: <20050613210728.GA5699@xiao.rsnet> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 08:55:52PM +0100, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > I'm wondering if a select into a temporary table _would_ generate a log, > though. The table would represent the transactions view of the relevant > tables at the time and I have a sneaky suspicion that ACID-compliancy > would need that. I thought MySQL didn't do subselects? Maybe later versions do... > dons troll outfit > > Of course, anyone needing to worry about such issues wouldn't be using > MySQL anyway. :) I think all it's really used for is replication, no? -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 28 09:26:30 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:26:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Mail servers on FC4 In-Reply-To: <200506272010.21197.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: On Mon 27 Jun, Pip wrote: > > I'm trying to get exim set up with a pop server - dovecot currently being > struggled with - to allow for virtual users rather than just throwing > everything in to /var/spool/mail and expecting users to have an account on > the machine. Does anyone have a link to point me at an example of how to do > this? I'm trying to replace the Windows NT mail servers (MDaemon) after > having put in Samba to cope with the file servers. > Any help gushingly appreciated. > > > > Pip Try a google search for "dovecot pop3" http://www.dovecot.org and several other references -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 21:27:09 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:27:09 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki In-Reply-To: <42ACA54B.2010601@pigeonhold.com> References: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> <42ACA54B.2010601@pigeonhold.com> Message-ID: On 6/12/05, Doug Winter wrote: > Steve Nelson wrote: > > I really like twiki - easy to install, fast and slimline. Moinmoin > > seems featureful, but there's currently a bug in the debian package, > > so I've not tried the recent versions. The older versions had a > > terrible default stylesheet, and were so ugly and clunky that I > > actually disliked using them. > OK, I'll bite. I'm running the debian package of moin, and I've not > found any showstoppers. What's the bug? There was a bug in BTS - I'll look it out for you, and email you the details off list. I don't remember the specifics. > Oh, and it does now come with an alternative stylesheet that is stacks > better (and writing your own isn't hard). Yes indeed - the new stylesheet looks excellent. Yes - agreed, its not hard to write your own, but other wikis come with basic stylesheets which are quite adequate if you don't want anything specific. I'm thinking of the out-of-the-box freebsd twiki, which is what I've used most. > Cheers, > > Doug. S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 22 22:05:17 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:05:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] OT: Tyan Thunder K8SR S2881G2NR EATX server mobo In-Reply-To: <42B963F1.9040900@heaton6.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed 22 Jun, Garry Heaton wrote: > > I'm selling a Tyan Thunder K8SR S2881G2NR server mobo, which cost me ?314, > for ?230 if anyone is interested. It's an EATX/dual Opteron board, in brand > new condition, and is being sold because of a misconfiguration with an ATX > chassis I bought :-( The only reason it hasn't been returned for an ATX > replacement is that I threw away parts of the box when I opened it :-( > That'll teach me. > > Anyway, it's never been used and can be had for ?84 less than the going rate. > > Garry > Is that a bare motherboard, or a kit? -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sean at uncertainty.org.uk Wed Jun 8 22:18:42 2005 From: sean at uncertainty.org.uk (Sean Burlington) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:18:42 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <1118137633.30927.5.camel@blackbox.shiplake.org.uk> References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> <42A56C1A.8030807@uncertainty.org.uk> <1118137633.30927.5.camel@blackbox.shiplake.org.uk> Message-ID: <200506082318.42283.sean@uncertainty.org.uk> On Tuesday 07 Jun 2005 10:47 am, John Winters wrote: > On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 10:42 +0100, Sean Burlington wrote: > > I've got a mail server that was set to run on testing as stable didn't > > have the software I wanted - but now I want to switch to stable. > > > > Do I just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change testing to stable? > [snip] > > > Anything else I need to do? > > apt-get update > apt-get dist-upgrade > thanks :-) what does the dist-upgrade do? as I understand it (probably incorrectly) I'm not upgrading anything here - I'm just stopping the gradual upgrade of testing at release point -- Sean -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From phil at tinsleyviaduct.com Fri Jun 10 06:42:38 2005 From: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com (Phil Reynolds) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:42:38 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] New hard disk needed - nearby suppliers? In-Reply-To: References: <20050609211559.GA15607@tinsleyviaduct.com> Message-ID: <20050610064238.GA25519@tinsleyviaduct.com> On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 11:20:52PM +0100, Chris Bell wrote: > North Middlesex is a big area! (There are some trade suppliers around > Park Royal, but I would not call that close to North Middlesex). In fact, that is probably more "Central Middlesex" - though not too bad from here. I'm really looking across Harrow, Barnet and Enfield, though wouldn't rule out other areas. Main thing is, it must be in a reasonable area to drive to, as, unless they give me the OK at the hospital, I won't be able to walk, and therefore the Underground will be out of the question. -- Phil Reynolds o ____ mail: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com |L_ \ / Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ (_)- \/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dan at berrange.com Fri Jun 3 09:58:52 2005 From: dan at berrange.com (Daniel P. Berrange) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:58:52 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Poor disk performance on IDE raid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050603095852.GA485@berrange.com> On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 10:43:51AM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote: > > Which filing system? ext2? ext3? Reiser? Is it very different on write? > > Sorry, ext3. I've not benchmarked writing, I was just curious about the > amount if time spent in IO wait. With journalling remember that even file reads can actually generate disk writes because they cause the access time to be updated on the file, which in turns requires journal to be updated. So for files or partitions for which access time is not important (ie log files, database data files, mail boxes) you can get some benefit from using the 'noatime' flag on the file or partition to disable updating of access time. Dan. -- |=- GPG key: http://www.berrange.com/~dan/gpgkey.txt -=| |=- Perl modules: http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ -=| |=- Projects: http://freshmeat.net/~danielpb/ -=| |=- berrange at redhat.com - Daniel Berrange - dan at berrange.com -=| -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Fri Jun 17 21:01:45 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:01:45 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] proxy-arp and a vpn In-Reply-To: <1119041813.12652.22.camel@localhost> References: <1119041813.12652.22.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <42B33A39.6040807@hinterlands.org> Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > any comments very welcome You're being vague. "does work" and "doesn't work" are actually _very_ unhelpful terms when debugging a problem. What _exactly_ are you trying to achieve? What _exactly_ have you done to try to meet this goal? What results do you get from your method? How do these results differ from your expectations? Mart. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From anthony.newman at uk.clara.net Tue Jun 28 17:09:13 2005 From: anthony.newman at uk.clara.net (Anthony Newman) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:09:13 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mail servers on FC4 In-Reply-To: <200506281738.04311.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> References: <200506272010.21197.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> <42C119B9.7040603@uk.clara.net> <200506281738.04311.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <42C18439.90700@uk.clara.net> Pip wrote: >>If you are supporting, say, 2000 users, go and get familiar with Exim's >>config. It can be set up to authenticate against whatever you like, and >>deliver wherever you want in a variety of formats given the correct >>highly verbose and bracket-ridden incantations, so virtual users are no >>problem. > > > The general impression I got, though, was that it doesn't run as a pop server. Oh, absolutely, but having SMTP and POP3 solutions that co-exist happily (read "use the same user/authentication systems" and "store mail in compatible formats") is your way to Nirvana. You do need to deliver mail for people to collect, after all :) > The Fine Manual for exim looks good. But very, very substantial, and aimed at > a full understanding of what's going on rather than the short, simple, > stupidity-proof brief I was hoping for. It is rather *ahem* comprehensive, but well written. If you know what you want to achieve it's great, but if you want a quick solution it's probably not a great help initially. I'd have a play if you've got a spare machine to test on, you'll soon get into it :) If you're after virtual "hosting", I'd say you'll first need to decide on a user authentication backend for your POP3 server that exim can also use to determine valid users and filesystem targets for mail delivery, then probably consult the (again quite good) install documentation to find out what to change in the Makefile to get the right bits compiled in. (If you're feeling keen it can use LDAP, so you can tie it into a common user auth framework with your Samba server....) Compiling from source is probably the best bet rather than using a distro package which might not have much available other than a simple local mbox delivery type setup, plus you get to see what sort of features are available to spur your imagination :) Then it's time to find out about getting a router (of the Exim rather than the IP variety) to work with your chosen auth backend so mail gets accepted/rejected as required and delivered to the right place. Ant -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Fri Jun 10 14:49:02 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:49:02 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: References: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <42A9A85E.3060406@hoshy.co.uk> Rich Walker wrote: >Ashley Evans writes: > > > >>Hi, >> >>Google returns a myriad of companies. Anybody with positive first hand experience ? >> >> > >Yes; I've had a hard-drive recovered by a firm in West London. Hang >on: > >http://www.datarecoverydirect.co.uk/ > >I was upgrading Debian on my laptop, and forgot that /usr was mounted >-ro. I ended up with a non-usable machine. I thought "I'll plug the >hard drive in to another box" and stuck the 2.5->3.5 adapter in the >wrong way round. Smoke. > >They completely recovered it onto a newer, larger drive. > >It wasn't very cheap, but it was a *lot* cheaper than some other >companies that do the same job. > >cheers, Rich. > > > Thanks Rich, I'll give them a shout. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mamading at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 12:42:36 2005 From: mamading at gmail.com (Mamading Ceesay) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:42:36 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] GnuCash vs KMyMoney In-Reply-To: <1118274605.5760.4.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> References: <57a9359705060807551bb0687f@mail.gmail.com> <1118274605.5760.4.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> Message-ID: <57a93597050609054241c34b6f@mail.gmail.com> On 6/9/05, Mike Brodbelt wrote: > > I've used GnuCash. It takes a little patience to set up, and it's a bit > slow on startup, but it's otherwise very good. You'd have no trouble > getting useful information for tax out of it, if you set it up > correctly. If you want full tax information though, you'll have to make > the effort to enter things gross, and set up the account tree so you > have splits for tax data. It's not hard, but you'll need to read the > help before setting it up, and be prepared to throw away your first > couple of attempts until you have a clear picture of how it works. > Thanks Mike. Your comments and those of Russell confirmed my suspicions regarding GnuCash. Sluggishness on older machines (like mine), bit of a learning curve regarding configuration. That's the trade-off for the rich functionality and flexibility it provides I suppose. Think I'll give it a look and check out the invoicing functionality while I'm there. -- Mamading Ceesay "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." -- R. Buckminster Fuller -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at positive-internet.com Thu Jun 23 21:42:47 2005 From: jason at positive-internet.com (jason johns) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:42:47 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki In-Reply-To: <20050623212051.GA27470@furbychan.cocan.org> References: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> <20050623212051.GA27470@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <1119562967.444.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hello folks I'm still at the stage where I should be keeping quiet and reading posts (and I know it's bad form to use a work email address) but... what's wrong with mediawiki? I'm a lot less technical than most people here but I set it up in a few minutes + it is well supported and has loads of features. Ta j On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 22:20 +0100, Richard Jones wrote: > Why go abroad when you can buy the same service from a UK company?! > > Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com > > Rich. > > -- > Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. > Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com > Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ben_m_f at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 16 19:37:15 2005 From: ben_m_f at yahoo.co.uk (Ben Fitzgerald) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:37:15 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] to-do list manager tui or gui for debian In-Reply-To: <200506161541.42301.matthias.stingelin@springam.co.uk> References: <200506161541.42301.matthias.stingelin@springam.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050616193715.GG14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 03:41:42PM +0100, Matthias Stingelin wrote: > If you run KDE on Debian, the Kontact group of applications which includes > inter alia Kmail and Calendar has a to-do list which could suit you needs. It > allows to setup tasks, prioritise them, attach a deadline, categorise them > and qualify them with a percentager completed. 'fraid not. I'm running enlightenment. many of the suggestions have been very handy. I'm going to trial a few and see how I get on. devtodo looks pretty good. the sort of thing you can leave in a screen session. many thanks for the ideas! ben. -- Registered Linux user number 339435 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ben_m_f at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jun 1 08:56:33 2005 From: ben_m_f at yahoo.co.uk (Ben Fitzgerald) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:56:33 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <20050601064512.GD20742@shapero.com> References: <20050601064512.GD20742@shapero.com> Message-ID: <20050601085633.GI31053@bfitzgerald.co.uk> On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 07:45:12AM +0100, Craig Millar wrote: > i've been using/testing/playing with spamassassin for a while and the only > thing that bothers me about it is that it is damned slow and nails processing > time. to my mind it a great solution apart from this drain on my limited > resources. so, i googled for alternatives and have turned up bogofilter. > i have been unable to find a decent comparison between the two. has anyone > used bogofilter? is the performance of bogofilter a trade off for its > effectiveness, for example? is it as easy to maintain/train as spamassassin? I don't have a quantative comparison between the two but I have used both. I found spamassassin resource intensive so tried out bogofilter, which seemed less aggressive and gets the job done well. I haven't had any false positives and get a couple of items marked "unsure" per day. Overall I'm happy with bogofileter (run via procmail) and haven't had to think about it since I installed it ages back. ben. -- Registered Linux user number 339435 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Mon Jun 6 14:29:48 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 15:29:48 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [VOT] Car for sale Message-ID: <42A45DDC.7010304@hinterlands.org> Hi As some of you know, I'm off to Norway in the next few weeks. One of the things I need to do before I go is sell my car. It's currently on ebay, so you can view all the details here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4553705008 If you're interested, please contact me off list. Thanks Mart. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 2 23:23:11 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 00:23:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Poor disk performance on IDE raid In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu 02 Jun, Simon Wilcox wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > We have several identical 2.8GHz P4 servers running Debian sarge with > 2.6.8-1-386 kernel and a 3Ware Escalade 7006-2 IDE raid card, with 2 x > 160Gb IDE drives in them. > > When reading large files, web server logs for example, top shows the > processor spending about 80% of its time waiting for disk IO. > > This doesn't seem right to me but it is the same on two machines so I > don't think there's a hardware problem. > > Could anyone offer advice regarding the best place to start diagnosing and > fixing this problem ? > > Many thanks, > > Simon. > Which filing system? ext2? ext3? Reiser? Is it very different on write? I would expect web server logs to be appended/extended frequently, and not neccessarily contiguous. -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Jun 28 18:17:35 2005 From: chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk (Christopher Hunter) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:17:35 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200506281917.35220.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> On Tuesday 28 Jun 2005 10:36, Chris Bell wrote: > Hello, > I have seen a report that biometric visa applications may be outsourced > to India. Perhaps we should outsource the UK government as well, with all > the benefits of lower costs, yet having absolutely no detrimental effects? This whole Identity Card, Visa and Passport nonsense simply won't ever work. There have been NO "government" IT initiatives that have ever worked under the current bunch of criminals. As long as Blair persists in using the "software" from his new best friend (Bill Gates) and "consultancy services" from EDS, nothing will work. It's funny how much "friendship" you can buy in political circles. Chris -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martyn at drake.org.uk Tue Jun 28 08:52:55 2005 From: martyn at drake.org.uk (Martyn Drake) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:52:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] network paramedic wanted In-Reply-To: <1119947999.5295.12.camel@localhost> References: <1119947999.5295.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <42C10FE7.3060009@drake.org.uk> Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > Netgear wireless ADSL modem / router - DG834G, I think. I had one of those recently. It didn't last long and was soon sold. Major problems with wireless stability. Required two firemware upgrades just to get it relatively stable. Then I got fed up. I replaced it with a Vigor 2600VGi and not had a problem ever since. Wireless has definately improved with the Vigors since I last used them. Regards, Martyn -- Martyn Drake http://www.drake.org.uk http://www.ourlittleduckling.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ran at bullet3.fsnet.co.uk Mon Jun 27 18:49:49 2005 From: ran at bullet3.fsnet.co.uk (Robert Newson) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:49:49 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <81bc82db050626031520f526b4@mail.gmail.com> <1119782421.2465.8.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <17086.43662.7377.557534@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> <42BF397C.6050100@bullet3.fsnet.co.uk> <20050627062505.GA23379@xiao.rsnet> Message-ID: <42C04A4D.7000705@bullet3.fsnet.co.uk> Russell Howe wrote: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 12:25:48AM +0100, Robert Newson wrote: > >>I don't remember that far back, but I do remember it being illegal (still?) >>to plug a non BT Approved phone/modem into the BT system - ie if the device >>had a Green Triangle it was approved and could be connected to the BT >>network; if it had a Red Circle it was not approved and so couldn't be >>connected. > > IIRC it's a red triangle and a green circle. Urgle...you're right now that I think about it (and I've found an old phone here with a green dot on it) - good job I'm not position blind when it comes to traffic lights... > Also, I think it's BABT approval you need, not BT per se. > >>(I never understood the point of that as unapproved devices >>couldn't be connected directly, or indirectly - was there a way to use them >>outside the BT system?) One in particular I can remember is a modem project you used to be able to get from Maplin - as it was self build no way would they give it a green dot: where could you reasonably have used that...surely the whole point was to build a modem to use over the phone wires to get to a BBS (or summat). (Mind you, the point is rather moot now as (a) the kit's been dead for years now and (b) it was summat like 300 Baud max.) >> > > Run your own PBX? > > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Newson, E-Mail: ran at bullet3.fsnet.co.uk 17 Sunnybank, South Norwood Phone: (020) 8654 6643 London, SE25 4TQ Mobile: 07795 338 262 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Wed Jun 15 15:32:45 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:32:45 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Recovering ISOs from a FUBARed HDD In-Reply-To: <20050615152510.GA9640@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> (John Edwards's message of "Wed, 15 Jun 2005 16:25:10 +0100") References: <1118679556.2416.5.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <20050613170954.GA15948@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> <20050615140946.GD27975@createservices.com> <20050615152510.GA9640@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> Message-ID: John Edwards writes: > > I was thinking that there is no way to check that you are connecting > to the correct machine, getting the correct file, that the start and > end points are correct, or any attempt at bandwidth control. Unless > I have misunderstood netcat, the only type of checking or control is > what you get in TCP. TCP is designed to be reliable up to the window size, IIRC. So netcat is rate-limited to the socket properties. Any "lack-of-acknowledges" should cause real TCP implementations to throttle transmission. > Also if anything else connects to that port on the sending machine > (eg a portscan) then netcat will starting sending to the connection > instead, and you have to go back and start it up again. > > Most of the time it'll work, but in terms of reliability it's well > below SSH, and probably any other TCP protocol else well. > > Any votes for least reliable network protocol ? UDP over 10base2? (And don't get me started on SLIP-at-115200bbp-over-crappy-cables, or even Econet. Shudder) cheers, Rich -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Tue Jun 7 14:24:13 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:24:13 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> (Martin A. Brooks's message of "Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:01:08 +0100") References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: <871x7e6y9e.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Mon, 06 Jun 2005, Martin A. Brooks said: > Debian 3.1 is released. In other news, Hell[1] wins bid for 2006 Winter Olympics. [1] no, not the one in Sweden -- `It's as bizarre an intrusion as, I don't know, the hobbits coming home to find that the Shire has been taken over by gangsta rappers.' -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Wed Jun 22 13:40:59 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:40:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... In-Reply-To: References: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> Message-ID: <1119447659.17734.32.camel@Vigor11> On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 15:17 +0300, Wal wrote: > Congratulations, but I for one would not trust linpack nor top500.org, > We are in the top100 for some time, but the reported figures were > submitted by the vendors, and they do not really represent the > production environment, they were better tuned for top500 than the > real applications which could behave completely different I agree. But we have to have league table somewhere :-) Only today I returned a tender response in which I said something like te best measures of performance on a given CPU is benchmarking the actual codes to be run. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mimo at gn.apc.org Wed Jun 1 20:52:05 2005 From: mimo at gn.apc.org (Michael Moritz) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:52:05 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: References: <200506011626.j51GQlnT005556@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: <200506012152.05755.mimo@gn.apc.org> On Wednesday 01 June 2005 18:10, Rich Walker wrote: > Tethys writes: > I assume everyone here has had the experience of trying to explain why > emails are (a) delayed and (b) not arriving at all when greylisting is > implemented? Delayed is bad enough - but the fact that many people have > an ISP whose mail servers fail on meeting a greylisting mail server is > enough to make greylisting un-usable in any real situation... > > cheers, Rich [who had high hopes for greylisting once...] I think you should look at greylisting again. One, it's reasonable easy to compile lists of ISPs that dont comply with the RFC. Two, reasonable greylisting systems allow to collect data before being activated. Three, it grows on you the longer you have it. Sure, the first couple of months support gives you a hard time. But then, suddenly, it calms down and you only think of it when it crashes and spam complaints start again... Four, economics. It reduces your mail load massively. Finally, I think the implementations have improved (like the one I wrote .. ;) mimo -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martyn at drake.org.uk Mon Jun 27 13:10:12 2005 From: martyn at drake.org.uk (Martyn Drake) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:10:12 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050627124603.GO29374@thebowery.co.uk> References: <200506271131.j5RBVCjB028682@isengard.accucard.com> <200506271239.32997.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> <20050627121707.GN29374@thebowery.co.uk> <200506271333.07376.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> <20050627124603.GO29374@thebowery.co.uk> Message-ID: <42BFFAB4.3050008@drake.org.uk> Adam Bower wrote: > I must say that also out of 8 years working in IT I have only had that > one incident where I had to deal with someone who was out of control > (that is not counting psycho bosses who think that they are some major > deity, at least going by the size of their ego it seemed that way), > but at the same time I have never done helldesk work fulltime (and I > won't for good reason....) but I have had my fair share of people who > need that bit extra help who can drive you a bit nuts but I don't mind > those kind of calls as the people calling are usually v.curteous and > polite and appreciate the help. Let me guess who that boss was :) I remember working for an ISP who outsourced the majority of technical help to a third party who specialised in that sort of thing. From what I remember it was a bit of a nightmare and lots of queries came flooding back to 3rd line and us systems guys. Why that was I've never found out (I've got my theories), but it made me feel a bit sorry for our customers who should have got much better support than they did. M. -- Martyn Drake http://www.drake.org.uk http://www.ourlittleduckling.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 21 19:09:11 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:09:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Iptables with bridge Message-ID: Hello, I have an old box with Debian Sarge and three ethernet cards running brctl (bridge control) as a 2-way bridge to FORWARD packets under iptables rules, while the third interface is only used for remote admin access from a specified source under iptables rules. This works as I would expect. I have another old box with Debian Sarge and three ethernet cards running brctl (bridge control) as a 3-way bridge to FORWARD packets under iptables rules. All interfaces are shown normally as "UP", but they appear to only work as part of the bridge, not as individual interfaces. Is this the expected action? I can ping any external IP address from the box if I specify the start interface as br0 but not if I specify the correct interface as eth0, eth1, or eth2, so the following works: # ping -i br0 nn.nn.nn.nn I can ping the box from any external box with ip address nn.nn.nn.nn if the INPUT policy is DROP as long as I include the rule # iptables -A INPUT -s nn.nn.nn.nn -j ACCEPT or # iptables -A INPUT -i br0 -s nn.nn.nn.nn -j ACCEPT but not if I specify a restriction on the ethernet interface as in # iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s nn.nn.nn.nn -j ACCEPT -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From phil at tinsleyviaduct.com Tue Jun 14 08:33:42 2005 From: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com (Phil Reynolds) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:33:42 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Sound recording - distortion In-Reply-To: <007101c570b8$b8db4b80$150010ac@kensnet> References: <20050614075036.GA9250@tinsleyviaduct.com> <007101c570b8$b8db4b80$150010ac@kensnet> Message-ID: <20050614083342.GA10754@tinsleyviaduct.com> On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 09:11:51AM +0100, Ken Smith wrote: > > > > > > Is distortion a common problem when recording sound using a VIA > > > > 8237-based motherboard? I am finding it so but was wondering if there > > > > was a known good way to fix it. > > > > > > Is the volume level going into the card too high? Is there another > input - > > > you might be using the Mic level one by mistake. > > > > > > Well, I am definitely using the line-level input... > > > > The input is from a standard hi-fi amplifier (tape loop). > > > > I have tried reducing the level (snd kept sticking but audacity is OK) > > but I still get noticeable "mush" and squeaking. > > Earth disconnected, some feedback path somewhere leading to squeeking, Some > strange setting leading to a feedback path in the sound sub-system - ALSA > settings. I have an SBLive with that problem if I set ALSA mixer wrongly. Well, there's so many settings on the mixer, I can't tell which ones do anything that readily - so maybe some help with that would be appreciated... the squeaking does not seem to be feedback - more a "squeakiness" on the high frequencies. The mixer has this bewildering array of settings ((R) = recordable): Master Master Mono PCM Surround Center LFE Line (R) Line-In As Surround CD (R) Mic (R) Mic As Center Mic Boost (+20... Mic Select Video Phone (R) IEC958 (R) IEC958 Output IEC950 Playback AC97... PC Speaker Aux (R) Mono Output Select Capture Mix Mix Mono Duplicate Front External Amplifier Input Source Select Input Source Select 1 VIA DXS VIA DXS 1 VIA DXS 2 VIA DXS 3 > Pickup from the inverter in the PSU. You could try putting the SB128 in > there - somehow I doubt the MB sound input would be that awful (IE: 10-15 db > S/N ratio) but its awful hard to get really good performance from an A/D > that's inside a PC. Its better to digitise sound externally and bring it > into a PC as digital S/PDIFF or AES/EBU. However, that's the expensive way - yes, I know it is the best way but not really an option for me. -- Phil Reynolds o ____ mail: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com |L_ \ / Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ (_)- \/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From doug at pigeonhold.com Thu Jun 9 15:21:08 2005 From: doug at pigeonhold.com (Doug Winter) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 16:21:08 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> Message-ID: <42A85E64.9020703@pigeonhold.com> Joel Bernstein wrote: > That's not a valid form for an RFC2822 address. It should be: > "Firstname Surname" or simply . Actually, there is one other acceptable (however ancient and deprecated) form you do see occasionally: mailbox at domain.com (Firstname Surname) Cheers, Doug. -- 6973E2CF: 2C95 66AD 1596 37D2 41FC 609F 76C0 A4EC 6973 E2CF http://adju.st/ -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Tue Jun 7 14:40:59 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:40:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <871x7e6y9e.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> <871x7e6y9e.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <20050607144059.GC29584@rumble.net> This one time, at band camp, Nix wrote: > [1] no, not the one in Sweden Unless you're a Swedish imperialist, I think you mean Norway. http://www.fact-index.com/h/he/hell__disambiguation_.html (yes, Wikipedia is down) -- Rev Simon Rumble www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Because geeks travel too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ I've found Jesus. 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How hard could it be? > >There are IDE-CF adapters. Would they fit the laptop conectors? > >What about flash wearing? Can you use file systems like jffs for the >root FS? And do they have any impact through an IDE-CF interface? > >This is really just a thought experiment, but curious to know if it's >possible. > > > I have to bow down to this. Excellent idea sir. I guess a lot hangs on the power consumpton of the ide adaptors. Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From joel at fysh.org Mon Jun 13 11:19:10 2005 From: joel at fysh.org (Joel Bernstein) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:19:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] BBC R3 offers first 5 Beethoven symphonies for download In-Reply-To: <1118661038.7008.30.camel@localhost> References: <20050613100518.GA22355@furbychan.cocan.org> <42AD65FC.7070207@uk.clara.net> <1118661038.7008.30.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050613111910.GJ19591@fysh.org> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 12:10:38PM +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 11:54 +0100, Anthony Newman wrote: > > Richard Jones wrote: > > > As (128 kbps) mp3s, no less: > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/beethoven/downloads.shtml > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > They're not bad at all, apart from the bloke yakking about it at the > > beginning. > > People do yakk an incredible amount of cr8p about music. From now on I'm > going to stick to "not bad", "not good", "not good at all", "not bad at > all". As in, "Rachmaninov? ah hmn nbaa, you know? Mostly." That sounds like something the Muppets would say. /joel -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Thu Jun 2 10:52:54 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:52:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] He doesn't give up... Message-ID: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> He doesn't give up, does he? "It seems not too many hackers are deveopping large-scale national security systems on their kitchen tables." No Jack, and neither are we building ?5 million supercomputers used for modelling the evolution of the universe. Or supercomputers used for designing the next generation of jet aircraft. Or for designing Formula 1 cars. My kitchen table wouldn't take the weight. In fact, my floor would collapse. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 21 22:06:15 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:06:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Iptables with bridge In-Reply-To: <17080.34408.190637.515682@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> Message-ID: On Tue 21 Jun, Peter Grandi wrote: > > >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:09:11 +0100 (BST), Chris Bell > >>> said: > > chrisbell> [ ... ] All interfaces are shown normally as "UP", but they > chrisbell> appear to only work as part of the bridge, not as individual > chrisbell> interfaces. Is this the expected action? [ ... ] > > Makes me wonder :-) why 'ebtables' exists: > > http://ebtables.SourceForge.net/ > Thanks for the pointer, I will load it in and RTFM. The bridge has been working for a long time, I just need to arrange restricted remote admin. -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dave at dave.org.uk Wed Jun 8 11:26:18 2005 From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:26:18 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: References: <42A6CF2C.4040805@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: <20050608112618.GD31769@willow.mag-sol.com> On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 11:18:05AM +0000, Wayne Allen wrote: > > > > What apart from about top-posting above a seemingly irrelevant thread? > > oooops. forgot to delete the extra bit.... sorry!!!!! That's not the main problem. The main problem is that you started a new thread by replying to an old thread. Even if you had removed the existing text, your email would still contain headers which mark it as belonging to an old thread. On modern email clients that show a threaded view of discussions, your message appeared way down in a discussion of VMWare. If someone had marked that thread as uninteresting then they wouldn't have seen your message at all. It's always a good idea to start a new thread with a brand new email. Dave... -- If you miss an opportunity to see him perform... you're a total asshole. David Cross rocks my world. -- Jack Black -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Thu Jun 30 16:29:32 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:29:32 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] FOR THE LIFE OF ME! In-Reply-To: <20050630162504.57829.qmail@web25504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20050630162504.57829.qmail@web25504.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42C41DEC.1070709@hinterlands.org> Michael Jenson wrote: > University work > I can't find what the .... is going with Acahe 1.3.33 > For uni I have to use Win32 and OpenSSL0.7.9e No offence intended, but this is a _linux_ user group. There are plenty of forums out there for help with Apache on Microsoft operating systems. Mart. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From matt.thompson at actuality.co.uk Tue Jun 28 22:15:10 2005 From: matt.thompson at actuality.co.uk (Matthew Thompson) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:15:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced In-Reply-To: <87wtoe2mcv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> References: <200506281917.35220.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> <87wtoe2mcv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: On 28 Jun 2005, at 22:38, Nix wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Christopher Hunter stated: > >> On Tuesday 28 Jun 2005 10:36, Chris Bell wrote: >> There have been NO "government" IT initiatives that have ever >> worked under >> the current bunch of criminals. >> > > You seem to have a few unnecessary words on the end of that sentence. > > If you remove everything after `worked', it's just as true. Sorry but the BBC Micro was quite a success and that was in part due to a government IT initiative. M at t :o) -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk Tue Jun 14 15:13:27 2005 From: ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk (Ian Lewis) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:13:27 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Network upgrades Message-ID: Hi, We're just starting a network upgrade as our kit is ancient and our backups aren't worth the tape they are written on. The upgrade path will involve the use of Network Attached Storage which we have no experience of here. Is there anyone out there who can give me an idea of where I can get a demonstration of NAS? It's probably dead simple but I'd rather spend the money on something I understand. We are, literally, a charity case... Cheers, Ian -- Ever tried, ever failed. No matter. Try again, fail again. Fail better - Samuel Beckett -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From anthony.newman at uk.clara.net Mon Jun 13 10:54:52 2005 From: anthony.newman at uk.clara.net (Anthony Newman) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:54:52 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] BBC R3 offers first 5 Beethoven symphonies for download In-Reply-To: <20050613100518.GA22355@furbychan.cocan.org> References: <20050613100518.GA22355@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <42AD65FC.7070207@uk.clara.net> Richard Jones wrote: > As (128 kbps) mp3s, no less: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/beethoven/downloads.shtml > > Rich. > They're not bad at all, apart from the bloke yakking about it at the beginning. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Sat Jun 25 17:45:38 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:45:38 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <42BD5776.7070907@drake.org.uk> (Martyn Drake's message of "Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:09:10 +0100") References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <42BD5776.7070907@drake.org.uk> Message-ID: <87fyv6tjnh.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, Martyn Drake stipulated: > Joel Bernstein wrote: > >> You've got to be kidding. I am currently a Bulldog LLU victim [customer [...] >> and just seem to be falling apart. Hourlong phone queues to talk to >> their customer services are common, presumably this is linked to the >> poor level of service. > > Ah, the joys of Unable and Clueless. Given who owns them, that should surely be `Clueless and Witless'. -- `I lost interest in "blade servers" when I found they didn't throw knives at people who weren't supposed to be in your machine room.' --- Peter da Silva -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pg_gllug at gllug.for.sabi.co.UK Tue Jun 21 15:37:05 2005 From: pg_gllug at gllug.for.sabi.co.UK (Peter Grandi) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:37:05 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] iptables and flaky ssh, ftp, vnc In-Reply-To: <1118867344.6470.12.camel@localhost> References: <1118694440.5676.12.camel@localhost> <42B05DBD.3060205@io.com> <1118867344.6470.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <17080.13345.453815.655389@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> [ ... ] >>> The problem is that when using ssh, ftp or vnc, the >>> connection is often lost. trmsw> [Thinkpad] <-> [Compaq, iptables] <-> [Belkin router next door] Ah Belkin routers, some of them like mine have a number of notorious problems, one of them is frequent disconnections. Fortunately I have found workaround for all the most annoying problems of the one I have got: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/hwNotesReviews.html#belkinF5D7630 The particular issue and the workaround are described in the item beginning ?By default it does not keep the line up if there is no traffic for a little while?. trmsw> That's why I think there must be something wrong with my trmsw> iptables rules. [ ... ] There is probably wrong with the 'iptables' rules too, they are very very difficut to get right (and, as usual, very easy to get wrong but ''working''). I usually recommend using a rule set generator... But even that does not avoid the need for clear thinking. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From cyborg4k at yahoo.com Sat Jun 11 06:02:53 2005 From: cyborg4k at yahoo.com (Shakthi Kannan) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Gllug] =?iso-8859-1?q?=A8cds_for_grabs=A8_project?= Message-ID: <20050611060253.3969.qmail@web50207.mail.yahoo.com> Greetings! This is the announcement of ?cds for grabs? project at http://savannah.gnu.org. https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/cds4grabs This is a documentation project in LaTeX. Separate documents are released for each country. Each country database will have a list of different states, within each state there will be a list of cities, and the cities will contain records on different areas/counties providing the following details: - Person's name - Contact: e-mail or phone number or both - Set of CDs available and number of CDs in each set Because the project is implemented in LaTeX, the end-user can convert .tex to any file format such as .ps, .html or .pdf. In the current economic scenario, the communication system w.r.t. telephone, mobile services, courier services is very good in a lot of countries. But, there are also people who still use dial-up. They may not have the time or resources to download huge ISOs. But, there may be others who might already have the GNU/Linux CDs. There are GLUGs where people exchange CDs through online websites and mailing lists. But, not every city/town/village has a GLUG. So, this project aims at providing the contact info of people who are _willing_ to share/lend/copy/exchange GNU/Linux CDs by utilizing the backbone communication services (telephones, mobile services, courier services) of their country. Thanks to Sylvain Beucler for approving the project at http://savannah.gnu.org. https://savannah.gnu.org/task/?func=detailitem&item_id=4163 This project is an extension of: http://www.chennailug.org/wiki/CDs_for_Grab In future, it can be extended to an online database. I would appreciate your feedback regarding the above. Also, if you are interested in becoming a maintainer for your state/county/city, do get in touch with me. Please don?t reply to the mailing list. Sample code implementation for this project can be downloaded from: http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/cdsforgrabs-india-0.1.tar.gz With regards, SK P.S.: Do spread the word! -- proudly anti-micro$oft -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shakthi Kannan, MS Software Engineer, Specsoft (Hexaware Technologies) http://www.shakthimaan.com 98407-87007 (M) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From steve at pauken.co.uk Mon Jun 13 23:38:50 2005 From: steve at pauken.co.uk (Stephen Harker) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:38:50 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Linux -> windows issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AE190A.9010105@pauken.co.uk> Matthew Cooke wrote: > I'm getting desperate so I thought I'd see if anyone could help despite > this really being a windows issue. > I have jmDNS (a java multicast DNS implementation) running as part of > an application I'm developing. In linux the multicast DNS works ok but I > can't seem to get it to work under Windows XP. > > Using Ethereal I can see packets being sent to 224.0.0.251 but I never > seem to receive them on another windows XP machine. The windows > firewalls are all turned off. I would offer to help but seeing as this appeared half way down a topic I was already bored with and you just replied to an already existing thread, I didn't notice your email so I have ignored it :-) Steve H -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From itsbruce at uklinux.net Thu Jun 2 15:24:06 2005 From: itsbruce at uklinux.net (Bruce Richardson) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 16:24:06 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: References: <200506021431.46672.mimo@gn.apc.org> <200506021453.44875.mimo@gn.apc.org> Message-ID: <20050602152406.GA18117@phaistos.bruce> On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 03:11:24PM +0100, Rich wrote: > > > >> > >> *This* is the problem with greylisting - critical upstream MTA's break > >> when presented with it. > > > > That is why you would whitelist them beforehand. > > But you can't tell *until* you lose mail from them. And if it's, say, a > new customer, you might never know. 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If you remove everything after `worked', it's just as true. > As long as Blair persists in using the "software" from his new best > friend (Bill Gates) and "consultancy services" from EDS, nothing will > work. Nah, that's not the government's problem. Their problem is that the systems' specs change constantly under political pressure, there's the most *insane* feature-creep (feature-tsunami?), there's a myriad bosses all of whom have conflicting requirements and most of whom have no clue whatsoever in any area (management in the public sector being famously appalling), and there's a huge pile of badly-documented legacy systems from several different warring Whitehall kingdoms to integrate. The combination of nasty technical and nasty political/interpersonal horrors produces project after project that will never work, but which is forced to limp on for far too long because otherwise people would lose face. *Nobody* competent will work in that sort of environment for a second longer than necessary, at least not near the top --- so the govt has to hire people like EDS, instead. The results are invariably disastrous. (Still, at least this problem isn't UK-specific, although we seem to do it with great frequency.) [in this post I've been channelling my mother, who's made really quite a lot of money dashing in to government IT contracts when they started to fall to pieces to try to project-manage something, *anything* out of the resulting mess.] -- `I lost interest in "blade servers" when I found they didn't throw knives at people who weren't supposed to be in your machine room.' --- Anthony de Boer -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 11 10:38:44 2005 From: mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk (Mike Brodbelt) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:38:44 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] How to tell grub where to find menu.lst In-Reply-To: <1118481944.4196.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1118481944.4196.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1118486324.5785.6.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 10:25 +0100, John Winters wrote: > I've got to the point where grub is installed in the MBR, but it always > boots to the grub command prompt and I have to type in the "root", > "kernel" and "initrd" bits manually. /boot/grub/menu.lst exists, but > grub doesn't seem to know about it. > grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda > Grub will look for "boot/grub/menu.lst" relative to whatever you set the grub root directory to. This defaults to /, but your command line above will have grub looking for "/boot/boot/grub/menu.lst". The whole situation is not really helped by the fact that grub uses its own terminology for everything, often redefining terms you'd expect to mean something different. The grub-install command is just a shell script wrapper around /sbin/grub, which copies necessary bits to the "boot" directory underneath whatever you specified as the root directory. It's supposed to pass the --no-floppy option through to the grub shell... Mike. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tim at seacon.co.uk Tue Jun 28 10:30:01 2005 From: tim at seacon.co.uk (t.clarke) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:30:01 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe instead of biometric ID cards the government should go for biodegrable ones - much cheaper and they could be sold in yellow/pink/blue 'supersoft' rolls at Tesco/Sainsbury etc and have a valuable use! Tim -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Wed Jun 22 09:41:54 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:41:54 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... Message-ID: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> Just out today. http://www.top500.org/sublist/System.php?id=7491 Almost Top 100, and the fastest cluster using gigabit ethernet as an interconnect. Woohoo! We're the systems integrators and HPC experts on this system. Time spent with my head inside racks in Nottingham well spent. Got any galaxies to simulate, gov? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Tue Jun 7 12:55:59 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:55:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Distribution Lists In-Reply-To: <42A430DA.9070505@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42A430DA.9070505@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <42A5995F.5080505@hoshy.co.uk> Ashley Evans wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking into simple methods to create distrbution lists that don't > require subscriptions and will only accept mail from internal addresses. > > I was going to use simple aliases but that would be open to external > mis-use. Mailman seems like an overkill. > Any ideas of something to do the job, or even how to make postfix only > accept mail for list1 at example.com from internal hosts? > > Thanks, > > Ashley > I think this is still the same topic so here goes. What bit of magic should I use to rewirite internallist at internaldomain to a full list of external recipients, CCs, BCCs ? Thanks, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From itsbruce at uklinux.net Wed Jun 8 12:24:29 2005 From: itsbruce at uklinux.net (Bruce Richardson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:24:29 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: <200506081210.j58CAl9w022652@isengard.accucard.com> References: <20050608113846.GD9700@phaistos.bruce> <200506081210.j58CAl9w022652@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: <20050608122429.GE9700@phaistos.bruce> On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 01:10:47PM +0100, Tethys wrote: > We use AIDE to verify that the machine is in a consistent, approved > state. Any changes are detected, and a simple web front end lets us > add annotations to explain the reasons for the change (which should > tie in to a change request number, although they don't always do so > yet). As for who's made the change, you'd need process accounting or > something like systrace/dtrace to be able to see that sort of information, > which starts getting pretty invasive and potentially harms performance. AFAIK, AIDE only offers you change monitoring and any change management you do relies on whatever working practices you enforce. The difference with using a revision control system (I'm not saying it's better, just different) is that it can be used for the change management as well. AIDE does not let you roll back, replicate a configuration for a specific machine from a specific point in time, provide a way of merging changes from 2 different systems etc. -- Bruce I must admit that the existence of Disneyland (which I know is real) proves that we are not living in Judea in AD 50. -- Philip K. Dick -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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ObLinux: Anyone else noticed that Mozilla is very unreliable when run on a remote machine with local display? cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Fri Jun 3 13:30:27 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:30:27 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Installing Flash player on Debian Message-ID: <20050603133027.GA15290@furbychan.cocan.org> This is a really simple problem, but I just can't get the proprietary Flash player installed on Debian / Firefox 1.0.4. I've put the file libflashplayer.so into /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins and flashplayer.xpt into /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components. I also put the same files into ~/.mozilla/{plugins,components} and in /usr/lib/mozilla/{plugins,components} just to make sure. But Flash doesn't work ... I'm testing it by going to http://www.macromedia.com/ where I am reliably informed there is some Flash on the front page. It's a no-show. The Flash player is listed in about:plugins Ideas? Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Thu Jun 16 12:45:57 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:45:57 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] to-do list manager tui or gui for debian In-Reply-To: <20050616122308.GF14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> References: <20050616122308.GF14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> Message-ID: <42B17485.70208@hinterlands.org> Ben Fitzgerald wrote: > gui or tui is fine, so long as it lets me get the job done. > I use evolution. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Mon Jun 13 15:47:45 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 16:47:45 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Grepping tab-completions In-Reply-To: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> References: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <42ADAAA1.9010908@hoshy.co.uk> Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: >Hi > >I'm trying to remember the command that will let me use KDE io-slaves >from bash, and I think it starts with 'k' and contains 'exec'. So what >I'd like to do is pipe the names of all the commands available on my >path that begin with 'k' through grep, but haven't a clue how. > >What's an easy way to search the path like this? > >cheers, >Tom Weissmann > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > May be wrong and it's not what you asked but is the program you want: kfmclient ? Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mozrat at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 06:04:28 2005 From: mozrat at gmail.com (Simon Morris) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:04:28 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mirroring a local dir to ftp (curl?) In-Reply-To: <20050614171841.GA10515@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> References: <20050614171841.GA10515@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> Message-ID: On 6/14/05, John Edwards wrote: > > Debian has a couple of programs that you could try: > "ftp-upload" and "wput". > > ftp-upload looks quite good but didn't seem to do recursive uploads of directory trees. ncftpput saved the day in the end. Thanks for the answers everyone ~sm -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Mon Jun 13 19:55:52 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:55:52 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] mysql binary logs In-Reply-To: References: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42ADDB05.3050401@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: <42ADE4C8.4070308@hinterlands.org> Steve Nelson wrote: >>A read only operation wouldn't need to write a log. > > > Well - not quite. You might want to log SELECT statements and queries > for auditing, app profiling, gathering information for optimisation > etc. I meant "log" in the context of a transaction log. i.e. a discreet set of operations. This makes no sense in the context of a read-only operation. I'm wondering if a select into a temporary table _would_ generate a log, though. The table would represent the transactions view of the relevant tables at the time and I have a sneaky suspicion that ACID-compliancy would need that. dons troll outfit Of course, anyone needing to worry about such issues wouldn't be using MySQL anyway. :) Mart. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From henrik at morsing.cc Thu Jun 9 07:19:10 2005 From: henrik at morsing.cc (Henrik Morsing) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:19:10 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <200506081723.j58HNJx6026589@isengard.accucard.com> References: <200506081723.j58HNJx6026589@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Tethys wrote: > > Freedom 2 Surf will soon be offering up to 832Kb/s upload (and 8Mb/s down) > > http://www.f2s.net/adsl/8mbit.php Sounds good. I'll ask Jason to do the same ;-) Henrik -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Fri Jun 10 12:46:10 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:46:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Invoicing software? In-Reply-To: <42A84108.7060805@pigeonhold.com> (Doug Winter's message of "Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:15:52 +0100") References: <57a93597050609051551f952f3@mail.gmail.com> <42A84108.7060805@pigeonhold.com> Message-ID: Doug Winter writes: > Mamading Ceesay wrote: >> In the past, I have used phpOrganisation for doing things like >> invoicing on Linux. I'm wondering what else people are using for >> generating invoices (besides the plain old fashioned text editor/word >> processor/email client route). > > I use SQL-Ledger. Quite pleased with it, although it took probably a day to get going properly. > You need the manual. Or patience, and a willingness to break the on-line demos. It's now actually a debian package, tho' we've been using it since way back when. Recent versions do "almost everything". cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Thu Jun 23 07:30:15 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:30:15 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... In-Reply-To: <20050622221902.GA3457@thebowery.co.uk> References: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> <1119473617.19840.21.camel@Vigor11> <20050622221902.GA3457@thebowery.co.uk> Message-ID: <1119511815.26629.22.camel@Vigor11> On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 23:19 +0100, Adam Bower wrote: > > I have heard of plenty of Debian clusters in the past, but all of them > have been home grown rather than purchased. I'm guessing that if people > are going the route of buying an expensive cluster that they will also > want the warm fuzzys of having the OS running on the cluster supported > by a vendor with large support contracts, and they see Debian as a > relatively (and incorrectly) unsupported system as it doesn't give out > the same warm fuzzies as a large vendor does. Yes indeed. Applications support also comes into it - most scientific/engineering applications are either: (*) certified by ISVs to run on Redhat Enterprise/SLES in which case you can be confident that Scientific Linux/SuSE Pro will be supported. (*) tested to run on Redhat/SuSE Clusters are bought to run codes. Widening the debate a little, Mandrake did make big efforts a couple of years ago with the Mandrake CLIC distribution, which was a cluster- specific distro. This was funded by an EU grant, if I'm not wrong. They commercialised it in another version. I never saw it gain much traction - I may be wrong, and it could be popular in France etc. The other major clustering distro is Rocks, which is a toolkit overlaid on a Redhat 'white box' distribution. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Wed Jun 1 17:45:06 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:45:06 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <20050601173344.GA11724@rumble.net> (Simon Rumble's message of "Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:33:44 +0100") References: <200506011626.j51GQlnT005556@isengard.accucard.com> <20050601173344.GA11724@rumble.net> Message-ID: Rev Simon Rumble writes: > This one time, at band camp, Rich Walker wrote: > >> implemented? Delayed is bad enough - but the fact that many people have >> an ISP whose mail servers fail on meeting a greylisting mail server is >> enough to make greylisting un-usable in any real situation... > > Haven't met one of those. Nobody I communicate with has had a problem. > How would they cope with transient failures of mail servers then? Qmail has failed to deliver your mail. Sorry it didn't work out. erm - no - that's not what you mean... gateway:~--# head -14 /var/lib/greylistd/whitelist-hosts # This is a list of manual whitelist entries that have been discovered # so far for various reasons. # This is not meant to be a comprehensive list of all servers that should be # considered legitimate, merely a list of servers that for one reason or # another may either have some type of problem with the Greylisting method, # or because of a recognized need to avoid the delay that it may cause. # These are common entries that most people using greylisting will probably # want to have. If you happen to discover ones that aren't in this list, # or that the IP's in this list have changed, please let me know at # eharris at puremagic.com, after reading the next paragraph carefully. /var/lib/greylistd/whitelist-hosts includes AOL, Yahoo, EBay, Ameritrade, Amazon. Clearly, there are other major mail hubs that are badly configured, and it's not usually possible to use the technical "fix your mail server" argument on their customers... To be fair though, it almost completely removed the spam. At the cost of legitimate mail. cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From lists at mark.ukfsn.org Sat Jun 25 22:09:12 2005 From: lists at mark.ukfsn.org (Mark Hill) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:09:12 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <87br5utjkv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> References: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <20050625161855.GA4554@heaney> <87br5utjkv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <20050625220912.GA5857@heaney> On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 06:47:12PM +0100, Nix wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, Steve Nelson murmured woefully: > > On 6/25/05, Mark Hill wrote: > > > >> I've never found any ISP to have a good usenet service. > > > > Actually the Demon usenet service was excellent. > > The Usenet service I get from Zetnet is also flawless. Seems I've just been unlucky then. I've stuck to news.individual.net for the last few years, as they've provided an excellent service. -- Mark Hill -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Fri Jun 10 08:33:03 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:33:03 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Sony considers Linux kits for PS3 Message-ID: <1118392383.11371.74.camel@Vigor12> Over on the Beowulf list there is a lot of interest in the new Cell processor. This just in. I'm forwarding to GLLUG as I know there will be interest. And no intention to steal limelight from our friend on the inside. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/624/624046p1.html?fromint=1 Sony Considers Linux for PS3 Hard Disk Company hopes to have major non-game software support for new system. by IGN Staff June 9, 2005 - Continuing its Ken Kutaragi interview from yesterday (see our translation here), Japanese site PC Watch has scored more commentary from the father of the PlayStation brand. As with yesterday's interview, today's interview features Kutaragi touching on his vision of things to come with the next generation PS3, this time focusing specifically on the system's hard disk and operating system. In the interview, Kutaragi gives a reason for not building a hard disk into the system, stating "We won't have the hard disk equipped by default. The reason is, no matter how much we put in, it won't be enough." Kutaragi seems to have a disfavor for a local hard disk in the first place, stating, "The next step is definitely network drives. With the Cell server, [the storage] can be accessed from anywhere through the network. In your own home, in your friend's home -- wherever you go, you can theoretically see (the same network drive)". However, Kutaragi recognizes the importance of a local drive as he adds, "But there are issues with not having hard disk attached to the system as well. This is why we've made it so that a 2.5 inch hard disk can be added." Kutaragi makes it clear that even with a terabyte worth of network storage, for the PS3 system to be recognized as a computer, it needs to have a drive running an operating system. And that operating system is... whatever you want it to be, apparently. Sony is looking into having Linux installed from the start on the PS3 hard disk. Referring to Linux as being "legacy," Kutaragi adds that it's just the start, as with Cell, the operating system runs as an application on top of the basic Cell OS. The presence of the Cell OS allows for multiple operating systems to run on the machine simultaneously, including, of course, Linux, but also making room for Windows and Apple's Tiger OS. With an operating system in place, Kutaragi hopes to create an environment in which people produce software for Cell and the PS3 -- and not just game software. Kutaragi hopes to see complex applications such as high definition video editing software running on the system. He comments that user interfaces will improve much more quickly than what's happening in the PC world today, and that this will have a direct impact on games. Additionally, Kutaragi feels that an open environment will allow for more advanced game development tools above the libraries that Sony has provided for its systems in the past. Kutaragi's comments in this latest interview aren't directly related to videogame applications of the PS3's hard disk. As with previous interviews, which are hosted at a Japanese PC technology website, the interviews focus more on the computing possibilities of the PS3 system rather than the gaming possibilities. Of particular note is that the question we're all wondering -- will Sony include a hard disk with the PS3 directly out of the box -- goes unanswered. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 13 16:07:39 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:07:39 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Grepping tab-completions In-Reply-To: <42ADAAA1.9010908@hoshy.co.uk> References: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> <42ADAAA1.9010908@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <1118678859.7008.78.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 16:47 +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > May be wrong and it's not what you asked but is the program you want: > kfmclient ? Well, kfmclient is for opening urls with the appropriate program, so I can do something like this: tom at expensive:~$ kfmclient exec smb://pcb-server/Data/tom/test and kate opens the test (text) file. What I was looking for was a way to do arbitrary shell-like things (sounds illegal but isn't) to such urls. kioexec can do this for single files if you know where they are, eg: kioexec cat smb://pcb-server/Data/tom/test works, but kioexec ls smb://pcb-server/Data/tom/ doesn't There is the kio-fuse gateway that lets you mount io slave urls, eg fish://admin at somehost:~, but the Wiki says > Get and compile the sources from kde cvs and compile and install fuse_kio. to which I say 'I'd rather sing a duet with Miss Piggy' and resign myself to actually doing some work instead of "making my life easier" cheers Tom Weissmann ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From andrew-li at black1.org.uk Mon Jun 20 11:38:06 2005 From: andrew-li at black1.org.uk (andrew Black) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:38:06 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Planet GLLUG? In-Reply-To: <20050620094437.GC6728@rumble.net> References: <20050617143857.GX5322@rumble.net> <42B34E4D.4010805@black1.org.uk> <20050620094437.GC6728@rumble.net> Message-ID: <42B6AA9E.9080706@black1.org.uk> Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > Then again, there's the argument that people _want_ more than just the > geek stuff, to get to know people as rounded individuals That is a good point. Maybe I am biassed gainst blogs becuase I have only seen them from people I don't know, so the random musing about non techy things lack context. OTOH if it was someone I knew (from meeting them or on a mailing list) then I might be more interested taht the cut the gress/ went to concert / had a haircut or whatever. I have certainly found it useful to discuss interests other than the thing that bring you together with a particular group (eg discussing musci with geeks or geeky things with muscicians) A -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From steev at tuls.pauken.co.uk Mon Jun 20 11:39:19 2005 From: steev at tuls.pauken.co.uk (Steven Goodwin) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:39:19 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Gllug report from the 11th Message-ID: <20050620113919.GU19686@mail.codex.net> Available from: http://www.bluedust.com/blog/ Or for those prefering a perma-link[0]: http://www.bluedust.com/blog/?view=plink&id=134 Steev [0] or just wanting to avoid my other ramblings :) -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 7 16:18:01 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:18:01 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: <20050607130823.GA6721@furbychan.cocan.org> References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> <20050607130823.GA6721@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <1118161081.3867.12.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 14:08 +0100, Richard Jones wrote: > Once you replace the bulky hard drive with flash AND replace the > processor, you might as well change the form factor. I'm quite > hopeful for the Nokia 770 with a bluetooth keyboard, although the > processor they have chosen is unfortunately very slow: > > http://www.nokia.com/770 What's the processor? I couldn't see it referred to anywhere on the site -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Tue Jun 14 16:08:49 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:08:49 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Network upgrades In-Reply-To: (Ian Lewis's message of "Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:46:17 +0100") References: Message-ID: "Ian Lewis" writes: >> > We're just starting a network upgrade as our kit is ancient >> and our backups >> > aren't worth the tape they are written on. The upgrade path >> will involve the >> > use of Network Attached Storage which we have no experience of here. >> > >> I agree with what Rich says. >> > I can't disagree, it's a very good point. S*it, looks like I'm going to have to try following my own advice :-> > >> If budget is important to you, >> you can build your own http://www.openfiler.org/ >> >> There is a commercially supported version, with hardware. > > Thanks for the link I'll give it a try this week. That did look interesting. The commercial version is definitely "everything we can put in, we did" - which you probably want in that kind of application. But don't under-estimate taking, say, a large tower case from Aria, a vanilla motherboard full of ram, some extra PCI IDE cards, and a lot of hard drives. If you're willing to build it, you may save enough that you can build a pair, which helps for redundancy... (I think it's clear the route I tend to follow. Once you have to pipe fdisk -l through more to use it on the console, you're getting there :->) cheers, Rich. > > Ian > > -- > Ever tried, ever failed. No matter. Try again, fail again. Fail better > - Samuel Beckett > > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Tue Jun 28 17:14:33 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:14:33 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] OpenOffice question In-Reply-To: <42C16C5F.7040806@enplater.com> References: <20050628145826.GA32562@furbychan.cocan.org> <42C16C5F.7040806@enplater.com> Message-ID: <20050628171433.GA15918@furbychan.cocan.org> On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 05:27:27PM +0200, Dani Pardo wrote: > Create a macro that saves in xsi, and then saves in .ppt. Now put the > macro in the menu you prefer. > Is that an option? I've not tried it, but I think it should work. Thanks both of you - time to find out about macros then! Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Wed Jun 29 15:10:55 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 16:10:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] tree spanning algorithms/libraries In-Reply-To: <42C2AC55.6070309@tpg.com.au> (Richard's message of "Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:12:37 +0100") References: <200506291321.j5TDLqKo001133@isengard.accucard.com> <42C2AC55.6070309@tpg.com.au> Message-ID: <87mzp919mo.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Richard uttered the following: > Tethys wrote: >>Use a declarative language like Prolog, and let it handle the details >>for you... > > I'm not so sure, every line of "declarative" Prolog has to include > very careful consideration of it's run-time behaviour. Consider the > cut (!) predicate; or the complexity of the solution to the general > 'family tree' problem in Prolog, and how you demonstrate a 'cousin' > relationship in Prolog. Use Mercury, then. A declarative language with sane syntax and an evaluator that you *don't* have to know the backtracking details of to write correct code. > Don't get me wrong, Prolog can be quite handy for some problems e.g. proving to people that Mercury is better. ;) -- `I lost interest in "blade servers" when I found they didn't throw knives at people who weren't supposed to be in your machine room.' --- Anthony de Boer -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Tue Jun 14 11:35:16 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:35:16 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Dirty phishing ph***ers Message-ID: <42AEC0F4.50608@hoshy.co.uk> Hi, What's the most effective way to report: http://202.213.254.13/rpm/ I received an imitation Halifax "update information" email Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at sinodun.org.uk Tue Jun 7 09:47:13 2005 From: john at sinodun.org.uk (John Winters) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:47:13 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <42A56C1A.8030807@uncertainty.org.uk> References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> <47616.195.190.132.207.1118126735.squirrel@webmail.morsing.org> <42A56C1A.8030807@uncertainty.org.uk> Message-ID: <1118137633.30927.5.camel@blackbox.shiplake.org.uk> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 10:42 +0100, Sean Burlington wrote: [snip] > I've got a mail server that was set to run on testing as stable didn't > have the software I wanted - but now I want to switch to stable. > > Do I just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change testing to stable? For certainty just now, I'd change "testing" to "sarge". That way you don't risk downgrading if you use an out-of-date mirror. > > Anything else I need to do? apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade > > Also does anyone know what is likely to happen to clamav? - it seem to > be constantly claiming that it is out of date! Did you install clamav-data or clamav-freshclam? If the former then read the clamav documentation! Cheers, John -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Sat Jun 25 17:47:12 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:47:12 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: (Steve Nelson's message of "Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:46:04 +0100") References: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <20050625161855.GA4554@heaney> Message-ID: <87br5utjkv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, Steve Nelson murmured woefully: > On 6/25/05, Mark Hill wrote: > > > >> The last time I looked, (about a year ago), their nntp server wasn't >> very good (dropping posts), but I've never found any ISP to have a good >> usenet service. It may have improved since then. > > Actually the Demon usenet service was excellent. The Usenet service I get from Zetnet is also flawless. (The only downtime I've had was thanks to BT wrecking something critical to the non-unbundled data path and then refusing to fix it or let anyone else fix it for six hours.) -- `I lost interest in "blade servers" when I found they didn't throw knives at people who weren't supposed to be in your machine room.' --- Peter da Silva -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Thu Jun 2 13:24:48 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:24:48 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <429E2142.3050307@hinterlands.org> (Martin A. Brooks's message of "Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:57:38 +0100") References: <200506011626.j51GQlnT005556@isengard.accucard.com> <429E2142.3050307@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: "Martin A. Brooks" writes: > Rich Walker wrote: > >>cheers, Rich [who had high hopes for greylisting once...] >> > > I greylist. I get effectively _zero_ spam[0] and the very very few viruses/worms and spams that get > past that get zapped by clamav and spamassassin. Yes; our spam level dropped measurably close to zero when we tried it. Unfortunately, the collateral damage (delayed urgent mail from people we have not had mail from before, lost mail from people on s*t ISP's, and so on) was actually greater than the damage from spam. Strange but true. cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jun 3 19:16:39 2005 From: chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk (Christopher Hunter) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:16:39 +0100 Subject: mobile company changes... (was: Re: [Gllug] o2, web, site, ....) In-Reply-To: References: <20050603102146.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Message-ID: <200506032016.39381.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> On Friday 03 Jun 2005 12:35, Benedikt Heinen wrote: > > Now we have moved to orange and life is better. We left o2 for the > > same reasons as alain left vodafone. o2 have very bad customer > > service. Orange make more of an effort but do still fuck up. > > I recently changed to Orange as well, and - while generally now the > reception here is a lot better, they did fuck up big time after a couple > of weeks - that time, my mobile all of a sudden started saying "no signal" > all the time, and when I called my own (ported in) number, I was getting a > message "All our lines are currently busy" - and a couple of hours later > switched to "you've dialled an incorrect number". > > Based on that, Orange claimed that my USIM was broken, and I needed it > replaced (seems nonsensical - if the USIM was broken, I'd get > "subscriber cannot be reached at this moment" or something, but nothing > along the lines that the number was incorrect. > > Anyway - they exchanged the USIM, and after that took close to 4 days > restoring service to my phone... :-( > > (...which is a REAL pain in the ass, when you're just looking for a new > job, and your CV contains your mobile number - comes across as really > professional, if you list a number that gives you "You've dialled an > incorrect number"... :-( > > > Anyway - now it's back working again - so my gripes are a bit smoothened > at the moment... ;-) Both my personal and work mobiles are with Orange, but I would change if I could. Orange is the only company that gives me any kind of useful service at home, and the company I work for are thoroughly tied in to them. Their customer service varies from abysmal to non-existent, in my experience. Chris -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 28 08:34:29 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:34:29 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] [OT] network paramedic wanted In-Reply-To: <1119946277.5295.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue 28 Jun, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > > Hi, > > I know of some people in Clerkenwell who need someone with a clue to > sort out their router, which went mad (*) yesterday. If anyone is > interested in helping for cash and gratitude, please reply off-list. > > cheers, > Tom > > (*) limit of said people's technical terminology, quite accurate from > what I can gather. > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http:// > uk.messenger.yahoo.com Is this a standalone box, PC configured as router, ADSL modem with router, or something else? -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From damerell at chiark.greenend.org.uk Thu Jun 30 23:32:50 2005 From: damerell at chiark.greenend.org.uk (David Damerell) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:32:50 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] GND In-Reply-To: <1120157975.5743.1.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> References: <17092.7660.590655.863636@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <1120157975.5743.1.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> Message-ID: <17092.33058.595018.159632@chiark.greenend.org.uk> On Thursday, 30 Jun 2005, Mike Brodbelt wrote: >I have heard on the grapevine that this is sadly the case. While I don't >feel it's my place to go into details (and secondhand ones at that) on >the list, I will say that I'm very sorry to see them go, and wish Ged >all the best with whatever comes next for him. Quite. All else aside, it's going to be a nuisance finding someone else competent. -- David Damerell Kill the tomato! Today is First Saturday, Presuary - a weekend. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Fri Jun 10 14:34:06 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:34:06 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> (Ashley Evans's message of "Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:36:32 +0100") References: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: Ashley Evans writes: > Hi, > > Google returns a myriad of companies. Anybody with positive first hand experience ? Yes; I've had a hard-drive recovered by a firm in West London. Hang on: http://www.datarecoverydirect.co.uk/ I was upgrading Debian on my laptop, and forgot that /usr was mounted -ro. I ended up with a non-usable machine. I thought "I'll plug the hard drive in to another box" and stuck the 2.5->3.5 adapter in the wrong way round. Smoke. They completely recovered it onto a newer, larger drive. It wasn't very cheap, but it was a *lot* cheaper than some other companies that do the same job. cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Wed Jun 22 17:12:04 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:12:04 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] x.org 6.8.2 and backspace Message-ID: <20050622171204.GA27304@furbychan.cocan.org> I upgraded to X.Org 6.8.2 and everything works well, except the bloody backspace-generates-^H bug-from-hell which I remember last affected Unix workstations circa '92 has reappeared! Does anyone know the correct keycode combinations to fix this? All the FAQs predate X.Org, and none of their suggestions fix things ... Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Wed Jun 8 15:49:22 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:49:22 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] GnuCash vs KMyMoney In-Reply-To: <57a9359705060807551bb0687f@mail.gmail.com> References: <57a9359705060807551bb0687f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050608154922.GA2371@xiao.rsnet> On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 03:55:37PM +0100, Mamading Ceesay wrote: > Hi, > > Anybody here have experience of using GnuCash and/or KMyMoney for > managing their personal finances? I would appreciate informed > commentary on their comparative merits and fitness for use by a UK > taxpayer. KMyMoney I haven't tried, but I use gnucash to see how dismal my finances are :) It's not fast (it takes about 5 minutes to load on my machine at home, which is 'only' a dual 400, running on an NFS mount on a 100Mbit/s network). It doesn't help that I have about 8 graphs which it draws at about 1000x800 pixels on loading, looking back through a couple of years' worth of transactions. Up until now, I've found it remarkably stable, and even after a crash (which does happen occasionally, in guile) no data seems to be lost aside from whatever I hadn't saved. I'm sure there's more it can do, but it's handled my personal accounts perfectly adequately, including various foreign currencies (CNY, HKD, EUR, USD, even AED at one point). I had to learn a bit of accountancy-type stuff, but the manual explains just about enough to get started. I haven't used it to do anything fancy like tax stuff though. I only use it to see what my balances are/should be, as a record to check against my statements, and to try to give me some idea of where all my cash goes :) > I'm aware that GnuCash can also handle small business bookkeeping and > accounts but I'm not so interested in that aspect at this point. Not a clue, on that respect. For business use, I'd think it'd need to be networkable. There's a postgres addon, but it seems rather incomplete, unsupported and unreliable. Not that I've tried it, mind you. -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From walid.shaari at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 19:52:46 2005 From: walid.shaari at gmail.com (Wal) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:52:46 -0700 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki In-Reply-To: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: On 6/12/05, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > Thinking in terms of users ease of use and installers' programmatic > power which is the best IYNSHO? > > I have installed php-wiki a few times now, but really like the look of > this (Phython-based) one: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ (as used here > for a nicer front end: http://www.linux-sh.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi). May be its not related directly to what you want, but this new site http://jotspot.com/ will spread the ideas of the wiki, and take out the installation, and maintance pain, from thier FAQ What is JotSpot? JotSpot makes simple web applications simple to build by combining wikis and web applications in an easy-to-use hosted service for workgroups. Walid. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From huw-l at moving-picture.com Tue Jun 7 13:27:01 2005 From: huw-l at moving-picture.com (Huw Lynes) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:27:01 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> Message-ID: <1118150821.13735.5.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 14:00, Rich Walker wrote: > Rev Simon Rumble writes: > > > What about flash wearing? Can you use file systems like jffs for the > > root FS? And do they have any impact through an IDE-CF interface? > cyclades boxes boot of flash as do many other embedded devices. The trick is to have a read only root filesystem and mount the rw stuff in memory. You couldn't really have /home on a flash card because you would destroy it very quickly with multiple writes. Huw -- | Huw Lynes | The Moving Picture Company | | System Administrator | 127 Wardour Street | |.........................| London, W1F 0NL | -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From essuu at ourshack.com Fri Jun 3 09:43:51 2005 From: essuu at ourshack.com (Simon Wilcox) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:43:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Poor disk performance on IDE raid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Chris Bell wrote: > Which filing system? ext2? ext3? Reiser? Is it very different on write? Sorry, ext3. I've not benchmarked writing, I was just curious about the amount if time spent in IO wait. Simon. -- "Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'safe' I wasn't previously aware of." -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk Thu Jun 16 09:53:45 2005 From: ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk (Ian Lewis) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:53:45 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Support for thunderbird Message-ID: > Hi, > > Apart from the web forum on mozillazine, is there anywhere I can ask > thunderbird questions and be likely to get an answer? It depends on the question of course. Plenty of links to go on from: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=mozilla+thunderbird+forum&btnG=Google+ Search&meta= > > Regards, > Ashley > > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug > Ian -- Ever tried, ever failed. No matter. Try again, fail again. Fail better - Samuel Beckett -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jun 17 12:19:30 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:19:30 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Connection reset by peer In-Reply-To: <20050616230900.GA27391@earth.dsh.org.uk> References: <1118929837.5627.15.camel@localhost> <20050616171941.GB20807@earth.dsh.org.uk> <20050616230900.GA27391@earth.dsh.org.uk> Message-ID: <1119010770.5360.3.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 00:09 +0100, Ian Norton wrote: > By this is mean, talk to your neighbour with an mtu of about 1380. I've tried this, setting a lower MTU on the interface that talks to the ADSL router, and on the other interfaces involved, but no luck. Still, forwarding the connection with ssh works fine. Thank you all for your suggestions, Tom Weissmann ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 18 00:27:20 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 01:27:20 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] proxy-arp and a vpn In-Reply-To: <42B33A39.6040807@hinterlands.org> References: <1119041813.12652.22.camel@localhost> <42B33A39.6040807@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: <1119054440.12652.76.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 22:01 +0100, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > > any comments very welcome > > You're being vague. > > "does work" and "doesn't work" are actually _very_ unhelpful terms when > debugging a problem. sorry, you're quite right, I just had the feeling you'd all be sick of the saga by now... I have an old Compaq laptop with 2 wireless cards, close enough to an ADSL router for a wireless connection. One wireless card talks to the router, one to my Thinkpad. Both have the same ip address, and I use proxy-arp to enable the Thinkpad, which has the address 192.168.2.200, to reach ADSL router and the internet beyond (obviously, the ADSL router is doing NAT) Fine. The Thinkpad can now successfully connect, via a PPTP VPN, to the network at my workplace, 192.168.254.0/24. Once connected it can ping any host on the work network, no problem at all. What "doesn't work" is: - ssh - MS Exchange I can't ssh a host on the work network, eg (the Thinkpad *was* expensive): tom at expensive:~$ ssh root at 192.168.254.20 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host If I try and get work email from the exchange server on the work network, evolution just hangs. On the other hand, if I connect to the VPN from the Compaq, and then use NAT to let the Thinkpad access the 192.168.254.0 (work) network, the Thinkpad successfully ssh-es hosts on that network, and can get emails off its exchange server. I had believed that by using proxy-arp on the Compaq I had transparently extended the ADSL router's local network beyond the bounds of its wireless reach. This seemed to be confirmed by the ability to connect to a VPN from my Thinkpad - were it not for the problems described above. So I was wrong in thinking that the hard part was connecting to the VPN, and that once the connected machine had an interface that was on the VPN (in this case ppp0), any TCP-based activity through the interface would "just work." At the moment all I can think of is DNS: the ADSL router does DNS and reverse DNS for DHCP-ed hosts, eg the Compaq, but the Compaq extends the 192.168.2.0/24 network to hosts that the router knows nothing of. all the best, Tom Weissmann ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Tue Jun 14 16:31:54 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:31:54 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Network upgrades In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050614163154.GA8138@xiao.rsnet> On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 05:08:49PM +0100, Rich Walker wrote: > (I think it's clear the route I tend to follow. Once you have to pipe > fdisk -l through more to use it on the console, you're getting there > :->) vga=ask :) -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Thu Jun 16 10:18:10 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:18:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Support for thunderbird In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B151E2.3060203@hoshy.co.uk> Ian Lewis wrote: >>Hi, >> >>Apart from the web forum on mozillazine, is there anywhere I can ask >>thunderbird questions and be likely to get an answer? >> >> > >It depends on the question of course. > >Plenty of links to go on from: >http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=mozilla+thunderbird+forum&btnG=Google+ >Search&meta= > > > >>Regards, >>Ashley >> >>-- >>Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk >>http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug >> >> >> > >Ian > >-- >Ever tried, ever failed. No matter. Try again, fail again. Fail better > - Samuel Beckett > > Lol, opening that search brings me to a page of visited urls. The question is from the end user perspective: How can I make it *not* mark mails as read when selecting them. There's an option in the Advanced settings but it doesn't seem to work. It's annoying me because it's the only thing stopping me migrating 25users from Outlook. I've posted to the forum but I don't seem to hopeful about a respone. Maybe it's FUD but I'm not a fan of Forums. Regards, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Fri Jun 10 17:48:59 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:48:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: <20050610171755.GA6314@furbychan.cocan.org> (Richard Jones's message of "Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:17:55 +0100") References: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> <200506101336.j5ADadxG028698@isengard.accucard.com> <20050610171755.GA6314@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: Richard Jones writes: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 02:36:39PM +0100, Tethys wrote: >> >> Ashley Evans writes: >> >> >Google returns a myriad of companies. Anybody with positive first hand >> >experience ? >> >> Nope. Every time I've been in that situation, the owner of the data has >> always decided that they'd rather lose it than pay for recovery. It's >> *very* expensive. > > Does anyone have any figures on exactly how expensive? I paid somewhere in the ?400-?500 mark for hardware recovery to new disk. Later, I noticed the same company were offering to do software recovery (i.e. "my filesystem is fscked" or "I deleted all the files") for c.a. ?120. > FWIW I spent last weekend recovering a 40GB FAT-format hard drive by > hand for a friend who had somehow managed to (or Windoze had managed > to) write data from another disk over the start. FAT1 was completely > lost. About 30% of FAT2 was also lost. I wrote a bunch of programs > which used heuristics to locate directories, rebuild the tree (using > the remains of the FAT where appropriate), and recover the files. I remember having to do this to an Acorn h/d after I accidentally broke the root directory. It was surprisingly entertaining, given the level of sweat and fear in the room... > I'm not going to charge my friend - although I have given him stern > warnings about this being the once and only time and to buy a USB disk > for backups. But how much *would* that sort of work cost? Maybe I > should have a sideline ... Someone I know had his mate-who-does-work in to do some work on the computer. Said mate was supposed to add a drive and get the new drive to work. He then broke one of the old drives, did the recovery, and charged his hourly rate for the work... cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From garry at heaton6.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 23 21:23:08 2005 From: garry at heaton6.freeserve.co.uk (Garry Heaton) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:23:08 +0100 Subject: Re [Gllug] OT: Tyan Thunder K8SR S2881G2NR EATX server mobo Message-ID: <42BB283C.6030700@heaton6.freeserve.co.uk> > Is that a bare motherboard, or a kit? > >-- > Chris Bell Bare board. No CPU or memory so I presume that means no kit. It's an EATX board for dual Opterons. Here's the spec: http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8sr.html Garry -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 13:08:04 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:08:04 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Graduates paying for IT training before employment In-Reply-To: <429DAE43.1010604@drake.org.uk> References: <2899.82.32.42.43.1117573230.squirrel@webmail.pasty.org.uk> <20050601065457.GJ13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <429DAE43.1010604@drake.org.uk> Message-ID: On 6/1/05, Martyn Drake wrote: > Steve Nelson wrote: > > > Dunno. We do a lot of training. Until recently this was all paid for > > up-front by the company. The accountants have spotted this, and now > > require employees to pay for their training and then expense it. The > > idea, presumably, being that people will either not bother at all, or > > forget to claim. I think its also designed to ensure a higher 'pass' > > rate - if the employee has to pay for the exam themselves, they'd > > better be sure they'll pass first time. > > Throughout my entire career I've never been on any training courses. I should clarify. We don't do so many training courses. The company does, however, encourage people to obtain professional certification in their areas of expertise. This is, I think, less about the value of the qualification to the employer than it is about badges for the sales droids to show to their prospects. > When I set-up a local ISP in Norwich I did it by myself through > reading books, experimenting and a little help from the ISP providing > us with the connectivity and a few other contacts. And that's how > I've got through these things since. I think that's how most of us have learned. My experience of training courses has not been that great, but I think I've ranted about this elsewhere, so won't recite. > There has been much talk about courses for this in the companies I've > worked for since and regardless of whatever company I've worked for > the net result has been that there hasn't been enough money, not > enough staff to cover, there's no need and so on. Probably quite rightly. > I reckon I must have spent a fortune on training myself through books > over the past ten years and buying/hiring equipment and software and > teaching myself to use it. But I think it's been worth it. I think you raise a very intersting point. For the cost of a 'professional course' one could set up a lab with some test kit and allow people to learn by doing. This is especially valuable in an environment such as mine where most of the machines I admin are in a production environment and aren't really the sort of systems on which you can learn by trial and error. > M. S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon.morris at cmtww.com Thu Jun 9 14:22:16 2005 From: simon.morris at cmtww.com (Simon Morris) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:22:16 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Gaim and 'Raise windows on event' Message-ID: <1118326937.27522.41.camel@linux.site> Hello, This is a question for any Gnome/Gaim/Metacity users on the list. There is an option in gaim to raise the window when new messages come in... annoying as I find this it's critical as I often forget that people were talking to me and layer windows on top... I remember some time later and find a load of unanswered questions. This feature hasn't worked since I upgraded to a distro with Gnome 2.10. Having done some research and searched buglists for this problem it seems to be the window focus stealing code in the window manager that is stopping it working. Has anyone got a work around, or does anyone know how to disable this anti-focus-stealing feature in the wm? Currently I'm running a standard installation of SUSE 9.3 but this situation exist on other distros (I only recently started using SUSE) Thanks ~sm -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Thu Jun 16 17:02:44 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:02:44 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Find non-7-bit characters in files Message-ID: <20050616170244.GA13235@furbychan.cocan.org> Here's a small Thursday afternoon puzzler for everyone. I hae a large number of files (HTML files in fact, not that it matters). A clueless^Wevil web monkey^Wdesigner has hidden bytes in them that are in the range 0x80 - 0xff, so the files aren't valid UTF-8. I want to find those characters. Preferably quickly from the command line. I tried various combinations of egrep with the [:print:] character, but to no avail. Help! Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 12:35:57 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 13:35:57 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Determining Key Length Message-ID: Hello Chums, I'm sure I must be missing something exceptionally obvious, but given an ssh key - how does one find out what 'length' it is in bits? Steve -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From brichardson at fotango.com Wed Jun 8 09:12:33 2005 From: brichardson at fotango.com (Bruce Richardson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:12:33 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [JOB] Systems Administrator post * 2 Message-ID: <20050608091233.GA4785@mx1.fotango.com> FOTANGO - Creative Solutions Group - A Canon Company Position: Systems Administrator Location: Ironmonger Row, London, EC1V Type: Full Time, Ongoing Salary: 28-35K Fotango Ltd (http://www.fotango.com) are looking for two Systems Administrators to join its Systems team. The Systems team maintains both office and production networks, which contain (many) Linux and (a few) Windows hosts as well as IBM SAN kit, Bladecenters, Fibre Channel kit, Gigabit and Wireless Ethernet, all of which forms the infrastructure on which several high-volume online applicatons are developed and hosted. We implement HA solutions wherever possible, observe professional working practices (change control, separate development, staging and live environments etc) and monitor our applications and systems attentively. The wide salary range offered reflects the fact that we are willing to consider candidates with varied levels of experience and skill and to provide training for less experienced but otherwise impressive successful applicants. Candidates should have strong Linux knowledge, the ability to learn quickly and at least one year's experience of using Linux in a professional environment. Candidates will also need the following: Required: Professional Linux Sysadmin experience. Thorough knowledge of Linux internals. Apache maintenance and configuration skills. Strong diagnostic skills. Knowledge of system automation and scripting. Commitment to good working practices. Desirable: Familiarity with Perl. Experience with Mysql, Postgresql or Ingres. Experience with Red Hat Enterprise Linux or Debian. Familiarity with Nagios or Cfengine. OSX skills would be a bonus, as many of our staff use Apple Powerbooks as workstations. All candidates must be prepared to participate in our on-call rota. Please send CVs and expected salary to jobs at fotango.com with the subject line "Systems Administrator". -- Bruce Richardson Systems Team Leader @ Fotango Ltd -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pjoanes at hotmail.com Tue Jun 21 22:10:45 2005 From: pjoanes at hotmail.com (Peter Joanes) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:10:45 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Iptables with bridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tuesday 21 June 2005 20:09, Chris Bell wrote: > I can ping the box from any external box with ip address nn.nn.nn.nn if > the INPUT policy is DROP as long as I include the rule > ... > # iptables -A INPUT -i br0 -s nn.nn.nn.nn -j ACCEPT > but not if I specify a restriction on the ethernet interface as in > # iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s nn.nn.nn.nn -j ACCEPT This is because the network interface that the incoming packets 'enter' is br0 because that is the interface that has the address assigned to it. The bridging operates at a different level from that of IP addresses, so the individual ethernet interfaces aren't relevant there (although recent kernels can filter through traffic with iptables rules). It's normal for the ethernet interfaces to be shown as 'UP', but they can't be given IP addresses whilst part of the bridge. Here's how mine look: # ip addr ls 1: eth0: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 00:e0:81:28:c9:57 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 2: lo: mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00 inet 127.0.0.1/8 brd 127.255.255.255 scope host lo 3: eth1: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 00:e0:81:28:c7:b4 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 4: eth2: mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 link/ether 00:e0:81:28:c7:b5 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 5: br0: mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue link/ether 00:e0:81:28:c7:b4 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 192.168.1.1/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global br0 - Pete. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk Thu Jun 30 10:09:34 2005 From: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk (John Edwards) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 11:09:34 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Authentication in apache2 against a Windows domain In-Reply-To: <42C3BDDE.1060707@pecorous.co.uk> References: <42C3BDDE.1060707@pecorous.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050630100934.GA23694@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 10:39:42AM +0100, Jon Dye wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know if it is possible to setup apache to authenticate users > against a Windows domain controller? > > We have a Windows network here at work and we have a linux machine > running apache that we want to put in our DMZ for access by employees > externally. We'd like to only allow access to authenticated users over > https but we'd rather not keep a separate set of usernames and passwords > on the box because we can't sync them with the domain controller. > > One thought I had was using apache against PAM and then using PAM to > authenticate using Samba against the domain controller but I have very > limited knowledge of PAM and don't know how easy this is. > > Any ideas appreciated. > > JD Debian has the libapache-authensmb package, which could be used as an alternative to PAM: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/libapache-authensmb http://search.cpan.org/~speeves/Apache-AuthenSmb-0.72/ I don't know if it works with Active Directory though. If you go down the PAM route then have a look at winbind, which is a Samba package to allow PAM and NSS to use user information in Active Directory or NT domain controllers: http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/winbind.html In both cases you will probably need to join the domain before the Windows server will allow you access. -- #---------------------------------------------------------# | John Edwards Email: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk | | | | A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion | | Q. Why is top posting bad ? | #---------------------------------------------------------# -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From andrew-li at black1.org.uk Sun Jun 12 22:10:14 2005 From: andrew-li at black1.org.uk (andrew Black) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:10:14 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki In-Reply-To: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <42ACB2C6.7010409@black1.org.uk> Afraid I can't answer the question, indeed one of the things has put me off implementing a Wiki is the wide range of choices available. Do any well know implementations provide an RSS feed or similar. Being able to view a summary of changes without having to visit the site is a plus point for me. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dani at enplater.com Tue Jun 14 09:18:46 2005 From: dani at enplater.com (Dani Pardo) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:18:46 +0200 Subject: [Gllug] Debian 3.1 ISO images In-Reply-To: <1118739991.6077.7.camel@Vigor12> References: <42AE9CE4.2030905@enplater.com> <1118739991.6077.7.camel@Vigor12> Message-ID: <42AEA0F6.9010405@enplater.com> John Hearns wrote: > > For Redhat or SuSE ISOs I normally mount them as loopback devices, > then run find. I know that's not very elegant. > Yes, not very elegant :) I've donwloaded and installed CD1 for my laptop at home (no internet there). But now I'd like to install Open Office and kdevelop, as well as X11 includes and libs, but I don't know wich of the other 11 CDs to burn.. I should try the second one.. but I'd prefer to be sure. -- Dani Pardo, dani at enplater.com Enplater S.A -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From wulf.forrester-barker at uhl.nhs.uk Thu Jun 16 14:42:39 2005 From: wulf.forrester-barker at uhl.nhs.uk (Wulf Forrester-Barker) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:42:39 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Re: to-do list manager tui or gui for debian In-Reply-To: <20050616135000.8C210E6E08@mail.ukfsn.org> References: <20050616135000.8C210E6E08@mail.ukfsn.org> Message-ID: <42B18FDF.2040601@uhl.nhs.uk> Ben asked: > can anyone on the list recommend a to-do list manager that is packaged > for debian? Up until about December last year, when a hard drive failure prompted me to move from Mandrake 9.0 to Ubuntu 04.10, I was using Tuxcards - essentially a structured notepad with an optional animated cactus growing up the side. I probably would have kept with it but couldn't find an Ubuntu package and didn't want to mess about with rolling my own packages or using unsupported repositories while I was getting used to Ubuntu. Since then, I've installed Freemind (I think I got it from Sourceforge), which is a mindmapping program. Rather than having a sequential list, I've got a map with four main nodes (in progress, waiting on me, waiting on other and meeting arranged) and drag, drop and edit individual tasks between them as required. I find it provides me a useful overview of what I've got on, especially because it is very flexible in expanding and contracting sub-branches. Wulf -- Wulf Forrester-Barker Webmaster http://www.lewisham.nhs.uk/ ********************************************************************** DISCLAIMER: Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily the Trust. 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University Hospital Lewisham Tel: 020 8333 3000 Web: http://www.lewisham.nhs.uk/ ********************************************************************** -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Tue Jun 7 13:08:23 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:08:23 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> Message-ID: <20050607130823.GA6721@furbychan.cocan.org> Will changing the hard drive reduce power consumption that much? Transmeta-based laptops are reported to get 10 hours, and that's presumably just by replacing the processor (same HDD and backlit display). Once you replace the bulky hard drive with flash AND replace the processor, you might as well change the form factor. I'm quite hopeful for the Nokia 770 with a bluetooth keyboard, although the processor they have chosen is unfortunately very slow: http://www.nokia.com/770 Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From steve at pauken.co.uk Thu Jun 2 11:17:13 2005 From: steve at pauken.co.uk (Stephen Harker) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:17:13 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] He doesn't give up... In-Reply-To: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> References: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> Message-ID: <429EEAB9.6030108@pauken.co.uk> John Hearns wrote: > He doesn't give up, does he? > "It seems not too many hackers are deveopping large-scale national > security systems on their kitchen tables." > > No Jack, and neither are we building ?5 million supercomputers used for > modelling the evolution of the universe. > Or supercomputers used for designing the next generation of jet aircraft. > Or for designing Formula 1 cars. > My kitchen table wouldn't take the weight. In fact, my floor would collapse. Que? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Fri Jun 3 11:22:43 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:22:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] So that's how you do it In-Reply-To: <1117797320.27560.27.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1117797320.27560.27.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050603112243.GA4110@xiao.rsnet> On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 12:15:20PM +0100, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > Just worked out what sendmail -Ac -q does I guess something similar to exim -qff? -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From joel at fysh.org Sat Jun 25 12:35:56 2005 From: joel at fysh.org (Joel Bernstein) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:35:56 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 10:24:30AM +0100, Liam Smit wrote: > Hi > > Bulldog tends to push the envolope. I know they have been offering 4mb > ADSL connections for a long time. They are now offering 8mb > connections. They also offer SDSL. I know a few people who work there. You've got to be kidding. I am currently a Bulldog LLU victim [customer is the wrong word] and I've never seen or heard of /any/ other company with such incredibly shit service or staff. The phone droids don't give a fuck, which I could handle except they simply have no power to escalate calls anywhere, only give first names, have literally zero technical knowledge on the part of their supposedly technical support, and just seem to be falling apart. Hourlong phone queues to talk to their customer services are common, presumably this is linked to the poor level of service. Obviously YMMV but I have heard a lot of other people with similar complaints of massive packet loss, irregular latency and remote ppp connection dropping... Cable and Worthless appear to have remoulded them into their own image. Oh, and if you want their LLU DSL you have to let them transfer the voice line to Bulldog too. And they *keep* fucking that up too. Including a week cut-off at one point followed by 2 weeks with somebody else's number. Which was fun. And of course when you call, nobody has a clue. Avoid! Incidentally, suggestions of anybody else who can provide preferably LLU DSL in London NW6 accepted gratefully. If nobody else can do it I guess I'll have to go back to a BT ipstream service - anybody recommend a reasonably clueful ISP who don't take the piss and can do a 2MB+ circuit for Bulldog money? /joel -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From aaron.trevena at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 13:46:54 2005 From: aaron.trevena at gmail.com (Aaron Trevena) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 14:46:54 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Dirty phishing ph***ers In-Reply-To: <1118749107.6077.27.camel@Vigor12> References: <42AEC0F4.50608@hoshy.co.uk> <1118749107.6077.27.camel@Vigor12> Message-ID: > [ halifax phishing ] This reminds me is anybody else using the new netcraft toolbar, now that it runs on firefox I can double check my banking on Linux, and plan to install it on my wife's laptop (IE and Firefox versions) as well just to be on the safe side. So far I haven't needed it (I do very little online banking and when I do I go directly to the banks website and use that), so I keep it hidden unless I'm doing CC Payments or want to check something. Shame it takes you to the netcraft website for stuff like 'what is that server running' rather than providing a native firefox dialogue - I don't use it for that now that I have the firefox http headers plugin which can show the server headers in the bottom right corner. A. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From lists at mark.ukfsn.org Sat Jun 25 16:18:55 2005 From: lists at mark.ukfsn.org (Mark Hill) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:18:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: References: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: <20050625161855.GA4554@heaney> On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 04:34:43PM +0100, Steve Nelson wrote: > > > I eventually got so pissed off I moved to Zen. So far (about > 4 months) I've been impressed - no technical problems and no > administrative problems. I had a local line failure at the BT > exchange, and the Zen techies were very clueful and supportive in > diagnosing the fault. On that basis I would recommened Zen over > Demon. I've been with Zen for a couple of years now, and haven't had any major service problems. (HA postcode.) There has been the odd weekend when there was some DNS server problems, but they've never lasted very long for me (half hour or so). The last time I looked, (about a year ago), their nntp server wasn't very good (dropping posts), but I've never found any ISP to have a good usenet service. It may have improved since then. Having said that, I'm looking around at other providers for a 2Mb service, as I think Zen's pricing is a bit high. (I'm currently on 512Kb.) I'm a bit concerned however, that I'll end up with an ISP that's not as half as a reliable as Zen. -- Mark Hill -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pg_gllug at gllug.for.sabi.co.UK Tue Jun 21 15:58:24 2005 From: pg_gllug at gllug.for.sabi.co.UK (Peter Grandi) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:58:24 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] proxy-arp and a vpn In-Reply-To: <1119041813.12652.22.camel@localhost> References: <1119041813.12652.22.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <17080.14624.795350.255633@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> >>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:56:53 +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann >>> said: trmsw> [ ... wireless, NAT, proxy arp, VPN, PPTP, ADSL, NAT trmsw> again, ... ] any comments very welcome Despite the hazy description this sounds like a rather complex setup one of those that people with considerable networking experience take a fair bit of time to get fully right. Perhaps trying to simplify things is a good starting point. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Fri Jun 24 12:26:16 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 13:26:16 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: <276501db05062304304def4f95@mail.gmail.com> References: <92CA923AAE010949A3A58BF744E5678501BB4A46@elon11p32003.csfp.co.uk> <276501db05062304304def4f95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42BBFBE8.3020100@hoshy.co.uk> Brad Cahoon wrote: > > > On 6/23/05, *Wiehe, Simon* > wrote: > > > That's strange. My neighbour had a power supply go wild, and it > fried his > > Fujitsu drive electronics. I contacted Fujitsu, and they told > me that the > > particular model of drive was obsolete, but they'd see if they > could locate a > > board for it. They didn't have one in this country, but shipped > me one (at > > no charge) from Japan within three days! It was a matter of > moments to > > install the replacement board, and the drive worked as well as ever. > > I had to find one on eBay, which was the same revision but it > never worked. > > ============================================================================== > > Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic > communications disclaimer: > > http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml > > > ============================================================================== > > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug > > > > Hi guys > > Sorry but I missed the start of this thread, I work for Data Recovery > Direct and would be happy to quote any recoveries needed. > > Regards > Brad Cahoon Sorry for the slow reply. It got sent to fields data recovery. not sure if anyone has experience with them but they managed to restore the data from all three devices. I think the boss went for costings over my (your) recommendations. Oh well. Thanks Brad and everyone else. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From huw-l at moving-picture.com Thu Jun 9 10:51:29 2005 From: huw-l at moving-picture.com (Huw Lynes) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:51:29 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Dell Poweredge 4200 In-Reply-To: <1118313037.3902.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1118313037.3902.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <1118314289.2118.1.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 11:30, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > But I have a problem. The box has two SCSI cards and 4 HDs (all the HDs > are on the first card, the second runs the CD and tape - no HDs are set > up as RAID) in it and doesn't want to seem to boot from /dev/sda1 (which > is identified as C: by the SCSI BIOS) - where I have installed > knoppix/Debian. when you say it won't boot, how far does it get? Huw -- | Huw Lynes | The Moving Picture Company | | System Administrator | 127 Wardour Street | |.........................| London, W1F 0NL | -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Mon Jun 6 11:17:46 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:17:46 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Distribution Lists Message-ID: <42A430DA.9070505@hoshy.co.uk> Hi, I'm looking into simple methods to create distrbution lists that don't require subscriptions and will only accept mail from internal addresses. I was going to use simple aliases but that would be open to external mis-use. Mailman seems like an overkill. Any ideas of something to do the job, or even how to make postfix only accept mail for list1 at example.com from internal hosts? Thanks, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 7 16:28:58 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:28:58 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: <20050607162114.GE29584@rumble.net> References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> <1118161013.3867.10.camel@mayday.localdomain> <20050607162114.GE29584@rumble.net> Message-ID: <1118161738.3867.18.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 17:21 +0100, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > > > > You'd need: > > > * no swap partition > > > > For speed reasons only I assume > > See below > > > > * /tmp, /var/tmp/ and probably a few others on ramdisks. > > > > Why? CF is cheaper than memory. When the CF chip wears out throw it > > away :) > > Yes but you'll be throwing it out mighty often if you put swap, /tmp and > other regularly accessed bits of the filesystem on flash. > > Flash has a finite number of write cycles. When you're writing photos > to a CF card from a camera, you're talking years and years. If you use > it for stuff like swap and /tmp, you'd wear it out very very quickly. > I was going to take issue on the basis that I thought, from memory (I once wrote a flash based filesystem) the write cycle count was quite high, though I checked and it was about an order of magnitude less than I thought, so I wont't :) -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Would this be my problem? Apache 1.3.33 will use PHP as well as Apache2. !HELP! I use heawily modified w2k. Like IE has been errased etc. SSL works fine on a single 1.3.33 but it is XP :~( ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 16 18:06:52 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:06:52 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Connection reset by peer In-Reply-To: <20050616170517.GB13235@furbychan.cocan.org> References: <1118929837.5627.15.camel@localhost> <20050616170517.GB13235@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <1118945212.5627.21.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 18:05 +0100, Richard Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 02:50:36PM +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > > vnc and ssh are pretty much unusable for me, sessions keep breaking with > > the error "Connection reset by peer". It must be to do with my network > > setup, but'm having problems pinning it down. > > Some crappy ADSL routers (like mine) drop NAT connections after a very > short and non-configurable timeout. The solution - apart from > throwing away aforementioned broken routers - is to send TCP keepalive > packets to keep the connection up. So you're saying that if the connection's been NATed before it gets to the router then the router's liable to drop it? I had just assumed that the problem was with the linux box that was doing the pre-ADSL router NAT. Rank heresy... tcp_keepalive_time on the linux router or the vnc client seems to make no difference tho'. cheers, Tom Weissmann ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 21 10:09:15 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:09:15 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Portforwarding failure - iptables question In-Reply-To: <1119280516.16740.8.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1119280516.16740.8.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <1119348555.3863.13.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 16:15 +0100, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > This is a fragment from /etc/sysconfig/iptables: > Well, I couldn't find this documented anywhere, but when I put the MASQUERADE targets after the DNAT targets it worked. Looks like some sort of bug to me (if the targets were meant to be that way round they'd surely fail no matter how many DNATs there were), but as I said I am using quite an old version (1.2.6a as opposed to 1.2.11 which seems to be FC3's current) I am not sure if it is one that is still extant in the code. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Wed Jun 15 12:59:27 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:59:27 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] In at the deep end with an Iomega REV In-Reply-To: <20050614115544.GN13689@rumble.net> References: <42AEBD90.301@hoshy.co.uk> <20050614115544.GN13689@rumble.net> Message-ID: <42B0262F.20905@hoshy.co.uk> Rev Simon Rumble wrote: >This one time, at band camp, Ashley Evans wrote: > > > >>I'd ideally like to use it as a tape but they seem to use udf. I can >>mount the disks r/o but if I try to mkudffs (umounted of course) it dies >>with: trying to change type of multiple extents. >> >> > >Aren't they just USB 2.0 hard drives? > > > This is an internal ide jobbie -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mpcooke3 at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 18:57:16 2005 From: mpcooke3 at hotmail.com (Matthew Cooke) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 19:57:16 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Linux -> windows issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AB340C.2060200@hotmail.com> > > I may be wrong, but AFAIK setting the IP address on each individual >machine does not automatically propagate on to the others. Your >"traditional" networking is just SMB networking which uses the interface MAC >addresses, not TCP/IP. > You need to run a DHCP server to allow automatic TCP/IP allocation, or >have a real DNS server and then specify the numerical IP address of that >server in the TCP/IP configuration of each box. The ideal would be a Linux >box running BIND9 as a DNS server, with each individual box given the IP >address of the server. > > > Heh. My network is fine! It's a normal fully fledged TCP/IP network. There is DNS and DHCP, normal TCP/IP networking is running fine. I can ping every machine. The machines are all switched on at the mains too! I wasn't even aware SMB could run without TCP/IP, I suppose it can over netbui or something. I'll try to see if I can find a rendevous/zeroconf mailing list. Someone must have it running on windows. I strongly suspect as the XP machines don't even detect Linux boxes when they broadcast their presence via zeroconf (which I know work as they discover each other) there must be something in windows telling it to ignore IGMP or multicast traffic. The strange thing is though I don't even see the traffic incoming on the XP machines. I'll double check the switches at the back end just to make double sure the linux boxes and windows boxes are all plugged into the same switch. Also I might try a linux boot CD and try some multicast using that to make sure it isn't related to the network cards or hardware in the windows machines. Cheers, Matt. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk Thu Jun 30 15:36:33 2005 From: ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk (Ian Lewis) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:36:33 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Spamassassin problems Message-ID: > Well, now while the setup continues to detect and score spam, > it doesn't > change the subject line and therefore the spam trapping in procmailrc > fails. > > What's changed/what's gone wrong? Googling has revealed nothing... > > My (unchanged) /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf states: > > # These values can be overridden by editing > ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs.cf > # (see spamassassin(1) for details) > I don't use the settings in user_prefs and prefer to set everything for our domain in /etc/spamassassin/local.cf (SA 3 on Trustix 2.1) My set up uses Postfix feeding SA directly. I don't have any truck with milter-ing. Here are my SA local.cf settings, for interest. # These values can be overridden by editing ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs.cf # (see spamassassin(1) for details) # IL 11/05/2004 We do not use user_prefs.cf at this point. # These should be safe assumptions and allow for simple visual sifting # without risking lost emails. # # 0 = NO, FALSE 1 = YES, TRUE # Clear the existing headers and make way for the new ones below... clear_headers # Identify # version=3.03 DLF_arachne version_tag arachne_rules_06jun05 # Permit DNS checks for RBL blacklists dns_available yes # Permit only English language ok_languages en # This is the score required before messages are considered spam. # -0 - - - - 5 - - - - 10+ # aggressive <-----------> conservative 5 is the Spamassassin default value # # required_hits 4.6 # Deprecated: 21st July 2004 required_hits 4.9 # Do we rewrite the subject or leave it untouched (1 is YES (default)) #rewrite_subject 1 # Adds string to Subject: Header tag #subject_tag [-SPAM-] rewrite_header Subject [-SPAM-](_SCORE_) # Whitelisting on auto (off as of 9th June 2004). use_auto_whitelist 1 auto_whitelist_path /root/.spamassassin/auto-whitelist auto_whitelist_file_mode 0700 auto_whitelist_factor 0.55 # Where to place the Spam Report. 0 is default and thus places the report in the email body. #report_header 0 # Do the headers get 'folded' 0 means NO fold_headers 0 # Report Length. Default is to use the Long form thus 0 is default here #use_terse_report 0 add_header spam Flag _YESNOCAPS_ add_header all Level _STARS(*)_ add_header all Status _YESNO_, hits=_HITS_ required=_REQD_ (bayes=_BAYES_) autolearn=_AUTOLEARN_ tests=_TESTS_ version=_VERSION_ # # # # Modify some score settings here.... score NO_RDNS2 0.2 score NO_RDNS 0.2 score CLICK_BELOW 0.789 score RCVD_IN_DSBL 1.5 score RCVD_IN_SORBS 1.13 score RCVD_IN_NJABL 1.13 score FAKE_XAUTH 0.8 ## See DLF_custom.cf for rules set up for this server. IL 10th May 2004 ## Add whitelist entries here.... ## Lets add the Bayesian stuff below.... (IL 10th May 2004) # Set paths for the bayes stuff (IL 9th June 2004) bayes_path /home/users/spam/.spamassassin/bayes bayes_file_mode 0700 # Specifically say that we are using Bayes use_bayes 1 # turn on or off the bayes auto-learning ability bayes_auto_learn 1 # You may set the bayes autolearning threshold (def 0.1) bayes_autolearn_threshold_nonspam 2.1 autolearn_threshold_nonspam 2.1 # You can set the bayes autolearn spam threshold (def 12.0) bayes_autolearn_threshold_spam 5.6 autolearn_threshold_spam 5.65 # Here you can set the quantity of ham/spam learnt before bayes activates. # default figure is 200 bayes_min_ham_num 200 bayes_min_spam_num 200 # When reporting (spamassassin -r) bayes can automatically acquire the result bayes_learn_during_report 1 ----------------------------------------------------------- Ian Lewis - DLF IT Support Analyst Disabled Living Foundation (DLF) 380-384 Harrow Road London W9 2HU Tel: 020 7289 6111 Ext: 212 Email: ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk ------------------------------------- MSN Messenger: electricowl at hotmail.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From matthew.king at monnsta.net Tue Jun 14 12:04:55 2005 From: matthew.king at monnsta.net (Matthew King) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:04:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Debian 3.1 ISO images In-Reply-To: <42AEA413.1060804@pigeonhold.com> References: <42AE9CE4.2030905@enplater.com> <1118739991.6077.7.camel@Vigor12> <42AEA0F6.9010405@enplater.com> <42AEA413.1060804@pigeonhold.com> Message-ID: <1118750695.7221.2.camel@knight.monnsta.net> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 10:32 +0100, Doug Winter wrote: > Do remember you'll need all the dependent packages as well. If you are > going to be doing a bit of this, I'd really suggest purchasing a set of > all 11 CDs, it's not expensive and it'll save a great deal of grief. I'm downloading these. Anticipate having them finished Thursday or Friday, so if anyone wants to cover the cost of 14 CDs and postage, I'd be happy to forward them a burned copy. Matthew -- I must take issue with the term "a mere child," for it has been my invariable experience that the company of a mere child is infinitely preferable to that of a mere adult. -- Fran Lebowitz -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is not exactly a production machine, I run my own mail server primarily to test and tune things and learn stuff that I can hopefully implement on the servers at the sme where I work. I'm just curious to see if there aren't quicker and more effecient ways to achieve what I am doing already. Thanks for the responses, I think I'll try and setup qscanq/clamav/bogofilter anyways and see if there's any noticeable difference from the qmail-scanner/clamav/spamassassin setup I currently have in place Craig -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mamading at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 12:21:41 2005 From: mamading at gmail.com (Mamading Ceesay) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 13:21:41 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: References: <1118142466.5212.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <57a935970506080521b352793@mail.gmail.com> On 6/8/05, Wayne Allen wrote: > > anyone have any experience with change management software? We could > deploy CVS across all of our servers to track changes of config files > etc, but we are looking for something a bit more 'wordy'. needs to run on > Linux/Solaris, and GNU if possible > My suggestion is to use Subversion for the version control along with Trac for a web-based way of tracking what's been happening in Subversion. Besides interfacing with Subversion, Trac also provides issue tracking that can be used to log the issues that necessitated the changes and relate those changes to the affected files. -- Mamading Ceesay "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete." -- R. Buckminster Fuller -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Fri Jun 3 13:29:44 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:29:44 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Installing Flash player on Debian In-Reply-To: <20050603133027.GA15290@furbychan.cocan.org> References: <20050603133027.GA15290@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <20050603132944.GF29830@rumble.net> This one time, at band camp, Richard Jones wrote: > This is a really simple problem, but I just can't get the proprietary > Flash player installed on Debian / Firefox 1.0.4. apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree -- Rev Simon Rumble www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Because geeks travel too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ A reactionary is a man whose political opinions always manage to keep up with yesterday. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You just wouldn't be able to trace them > > in real life. > > > > Seems pretty reasonable to me. > > > > Tet > Hi, > You mean to say that the service is SO BAD that tech support live in fear of > their lives, The conduct of a minority of Net users is so bad that it can be worth taking simple measures to protect your staff from unnecessary harrassment and abuse. > is there a new crime surfing rage now? It's not new. Online communication is much more susceptible to problems of miscommunication and too many of the people using it don't realise that. Even people who are reasonable in other contexts can behave very badly online because there is no direct contact to correct misunderstandings about tone and intent. As for the unreasonable people, the immunity from immediate consequences that online communication offers is frequently more than they can resist. You're illustrating some of the dangers yourself; your response to his message went further than was reasonable, in the sense that you choose to infer from his statement something that he clearly did not mean to imply. If he were to take your comment as anything less than jokey in tone (which I'm assuming was your intent) and if he then replied to an imagined insult, you might well be startled by a response that you would see as unjustified and then it can all snowball from there. The real problem is that a significant minority of Net users don't even need that innocent sequence of events to start them off. -- Bruce The ice-caps are melting, tra-la-la-la. All the world is drowning, tra-la-la-la-la. -- Tiny Tim. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(I never understood the point of that as unapproved devices > couldn't be connected directly, or indirectly - was there a way to use them > outside the BT system?) > It used to be illegal to run a wire across a boundary between adjacent properties without going through the Post Office, (before BT), although Hull council ran their own independant system, but now there is nothing to stop you owning and running your own private exchange. Modern private branch exchanges can use either analogue, digital, or both types of phone, with different connections through the current standard plug. The old Post Office phones used an older concentric multiple-ring connector, twin Post Office jacks, or were permanently wired, and had low impedance ringers, connected in series using difficult-to-obtain additional switches operated by lifting the handset from the rest. Non-UK phones came with FCC68/RJ11 connectors suitable for use in America, modern phones come with high impedance ringer circuits, to be connected in parallel, or use tone detection and powered sounders. Approved phones would work using the line volts and without local power, so are suitable for emergency use, while ISDN, some digital, and VOIP, may fail without standby battery power. Public telephone exchanges usually have huge standby batteries and emergency power supplies. Then there are phones like the Tele-F with internal 1.5 volt battery and hand operated ringer (modern versions have a transistor operated ringer) to call the exchange. -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From anthony.newman at uk.clara.net Tue Jun 28 09:34:49 2005 From: anthony.newman at uk.clara.net (Anthony Newman) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 10:34:49 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mail servers on FC4 In-Reply-To: <200506272010.21197.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> References: <200506272010.21197.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <42C119B9.7040603@uk.clara.net> Pip wrote: > I'm trying to get exim set up with a pop server - dovecot currently being > struggled with - to allow for virtual users rather than just throwing > everything in to /var/spool/mail and expecting users to have an account on > the machine. Does anyone have a link to point me at an example of how to do > this? I'm trying to replace the Windows NT mail servers (MDaemon) after > having put in Samba to cope with the file servers. > Any help gushingly appreciated. How much effort it's worth expending probably depends on how many users you expect to support. If it's, say, 20 it's probably not worth buggering about with scalable systems; I'd go with the "/var/spool/mail" solution, although strictly it would be a Maildir in the user's home directory if I had my way :) If you are supporting, say, 2000 users, go and get familiar with Exim's config. It can be set up to authenticate against whatever you like, and deliver wherever you want in a variety of formats given the correct highly verbose and bracket-ridden incantations, so virtual users are no problem. I've not heard of Dovecot but it looks quite cool at first glance. RTFM ;) Ant -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Thu Jun 9 18:43:04 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:43:04 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Strange memory mapping Message-ID: <20050609184304.GA15593@furbychan.cocan.org> Any idea what this memory mapping is? It appears at the end of all my process memory maps: ffffe000-fffff000 ---p 00000000 00:00 0 Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Thu Jun 16 12:40:33 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:40:33 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] to-do list manager tui or gui for debian In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:23:08 BST." <20050616122308.GF14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> Message-ID: <200506161240.j5GCeYgd032007@isengard.accucard.com> Ben Fitzgerald writes: >can anyone on the list recommend a to-do list manager that is packaged >for debian? I've always used ical (thanks Rich!): http://www.annexia.org/freeware/ical Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From addw at phcomp.co.uk Mon Jun 13 14:06:23 2005 From: addw at phcomp.co.uk (Alain Williams) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 15:06:23 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [YA-OT] PA-RISC D-Class 9000 In-Reply-To: <42AD909A.3070105@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42AD909A.3070105@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050613140623.GV16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 02:56:42PM +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > Hi, > > I'm at a client who's suffered at power failure and it looks like this > box hasn't come up correctly. Normally I'd walk away from this in a > client environment but the boss (client) has asked me to "at least give > it a go" after the usual warnings. Some of the client machine have a > telnet to what I think is the machine ip. The machine is up however the > front panel shows "warn". > > It seems to be stuck in some kind of text editor. Anybody know how exit Try ctrl-Z -- you may be able to use job control to get back to the login shell. > common editors, does this thing have VTs? I think I could figure out at > least how to check the network and reboot and look at logs if I could > make it to a terminal. > > Any tid bits would be welcome. > > Thanks. > Ashley > > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug -- Alain Williams Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Linux Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 #include -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wayne > Threw me, too. > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug > -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon.wiehe at csfb.com Thu Jun 23 08:13:16 2005 From: simon.wiehe at csfb.com (Wiehe, Simon) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:13:16 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies Message-ID: <92CA923AAE010949A3A58BF744E5678501BB4A46@elon11p32003.csfp.co.uk> > That's strange. My neighbour had a power supply go wild, and it fried his > Fujitsu drive electronics. I contacted Fujitsu, and they told me that the > particular model of drive was obsolete, but they'd see if they could locate a > board for it. They didn't have one in this country, but shipped me one (at > no charge) from Japan within three days! It was a matter of moments to > install the replacement board, and the drive worked as well as ever. I had to find one on eBay, which was the same revision but it never worked. ============================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml ============================================================================== -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From itsbruce at uklinux.net Wed Jun 1 16:59:39 2005 From: itsbruce at uklinux.net (Bruce Richardson) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:59:39 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <20050601064512.GD20742@shapero.com> References: <20050601064512.GD20742@shapero.com> Message-ID: <20050601165939.GF13050@phaistos.bruce> On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 07:45:12AM +0100, Craig wrote: > i've been using/testing/playing with spamassassin for a while and the only > thing that bothers me about it is that it is damned slow and nails processing > time. Are you using spamd/spamc or is your mta or procmail script invoking spamassassin directly? There are quite a few things you can do to improve the performance of spamassassin. -- Bruce I unfortunately do not know how to turn cheese into gold. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 261 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dani at enplater.com Tue Jun 28 10:50:31 2005 From: dani at enplater.com (Dani Pardo) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:50:31 +0200 Subject: [Gllug] Samba 2 co-existance with AD In-Reply-To: <000c01c57bc9$fc7adb00$190010ac@kensmw2kp> References: <000c01c57bc9$fc7adb00$190010ac@kensmw2kp> Message-ID: <42C12B77.9000500@enplater.com> Ken Smith wrote: > Hi - I hope you can help with a question about Samba 2. I'm supporting a > config where there is an old Samba 2 (RH 7) system which has been running > fine for years. Recently the original NT4 DC has been migrated to a W2K3 > machine and the NT4 box retired. > > Now there are problems with XP SP2 machines unable to map shares. The shares > were mapped by IP address so nmb/wins issues shouldn?t be a problem. > > I recall there being some changes to the password authentication > methods/algorithms from NT4 to AD and I think port 445 began to be used > rather than 13*. > > So the basic question - can an XP SP2 machine, which is otherwise part of an > AD domain, map a share from a machine that would look as if it were share an > NT4 machine that is not in the AD domain? If you already have an Active Directory, why don't upgrade to Samba 3 and tell samba to autenticate agains the active directory server? Something like this: http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/network/0,39044847,39081966-39000223c-1,00.htm Should do the job I guess. Never tried it. BTW, In my company, there are several depts, and about 60 clients. And we're still under a workgroup. All that domain/pdc/AD stuff feels overcharge to me. I'm not really sure if the advantages of PDC/AC are worth the "pain" of maintenance. -- Dani Pardo, dani at enplater.com Enplater S.A -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon.morris at cmtww.com Fri Jun 17 22:35:11 2005 From: simon.morris at cmtww.com (Simon Morris) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:35:11 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Planet GLLUG? In-Reply-To: <42B34E4D.4010805@black1.org.uk> References: <20050617143857.GX5322@rumble.net> <42B34E4D.4010805@black1.org.uk> Message-ID: <1119047711.12081.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 23:27 +0100, andrew Black wrote: > Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > > > A bunch of the LUGs in Australia now have aggregated blogs of their > > members. See: > > http://planet.slug.org.au > > http://planet.linux.org.au > > > > So should we have a GLLUG one? > > > Personally I am agnostic as far as blogs go - they seem to be a lot of > chat. The headline "Got a haircut today" somewhat feeds my prejudice. > Was that a deliberate reference to Michael Zucchi's post on planet.gnome.org today or a coincidence? :) http://blogs.gnome.org/view/zucchi/2005/06/17/0 To be fair that post was reasonably informative! ~sm -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Wed Jun 29 06:43:56 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:43:56 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced In-Reply-To: (Rich Walker's message of "Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:50:10 +0100") References: <200506281917.35220.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> <87wtoe2mcv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <87hdfh3bo3.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Rich Walker suggested tentatively: > Nix writes: > > >> `I lost interest in "blade servers" when I found they didn't throw knives >> at people who weren't supposed to be in your machine room.' >> --- Anthony de Boer > > I wonder how many more attributions that quote is going to go through? I managed to screw it up originally really rather badly (got it from a quoted post and referenced the quoter, not the quotee). > Anyone else noticed that Mozilla is very unreliable when run on a remote > machine with local display? I do it all the time: no problems detected (assuming that I grok `remote machine with local display' rightly: you mean that DISPLAY points to your local machine, right? i.e., that from Mozilla's POV, it's nonlocal?) -- `I lost interest in "blade servers" when I found they didn't throw knives at people who weren't supposed to be in your machine room.' --- Anthony de Boer -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 30 15:12:15 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:12:15 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Spamassassin problems Message-ID: <1120144335.3852.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> Continuing my travails with my FC4 mailserver, yum upgraded my spamassassin/spamass-milter set up to SA v 3.0.4 and, AFAICS, the milter to 0.2.1. Well, now while the setup continues to detect and score spam, it doesn't change the subject line and therefore the spam trapping in procmailrc fails. What's changed/what's gone wrong? Googling has revealed nothing... My (unchanged) /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf states: # These values can be overridden by editing ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs.cf # (see spamassassin(1) for details) # These should be safe assumptions and allow for simple visual sifting # without risking lost emails. required_hits 4.5 report_safe 1 rewrite_header subject [SPAM] trusted_networks 192.168.62. trusted_networks 192.168.63. use_bayes 1 bayes_path /var/spamass/bayes bayes_file_mode 0666 bayes_auto_learn 1 bayes_auto_learn_threshold_nonspam 0.1 bayes_auto_learn_threshold_spam 7.5 ok_languages en score UNWANTED_LANGUAGE_BODY 4.5 score BAYES_99 4.5 score BAYES_95 4.1 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Mon Jun 13 09:41:44 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:41:44 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Grepping tab-completions In-Reply-To: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> References: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050613094144.GA415@xiao.rsnet> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 10:25:00AM +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying to remember the command that will let me use KDE io-slaves > from bash, and I think it starts with 'k' and contains 'exec'. So what > I'd like to do is pipe the names of all the commands available on my > path that begin with 'k' through grep, but haven't a clue how. > > What's an easy way to search the path like this? Under bash: $ find ${PATH//:/ } -maxdepth 1 -type f -name 'k*exec' -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 22:29:13 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:29:13 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Failed MB BIOS Upgrade In-Reply-To: <001101c57063$dccf8d30$190010ac@kensmw2kp> References: <001101c57063$dccf8d30$190010ac@kensmw2kp> Message-ID: On 6/13/05, Ken Smith wrote: > Talking of FUBAR'd things ? are there any motherboard guru's here. A BIOS > upgrade has failed and left it corrupt. The Intel manual describes a method > to recover this situation by removing a jumper from the board and booting > with the BIOS update floppy in the drive. The MB should read from the > floppy, make two beeps, which it does and then it should resume reading the > floppy ? which it doesn't. Apologies for making a really really obvious comment, but in my experience of problems with bios floppies, I have found using a brand new floppy with a new image of the firmware often sorts these things out. I had this recently when trying to reflash network cards. > Ken S. -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From m.brodbelt at acu.ac.uk Thu Jun 9 22:44:37 2005 From: m.brodbelt at acu.ac.uk (Mike Brodbelt) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 23:44:37 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] New hard disk needed - nearby suppliers? In-Reply-To: <20050609211559.GA15607@tinsleyviaduct.com> References: <20050609211559.GA15607@tinsleyviaduct.com> Message-ID: <42A8C655.70902@acu.ac.uk> Phil Reynolds wrote: > It will be the first time I have done an upgrade since I started using > grub as my bootloader, so any hints on how to handle that part of a hard > disk upgrade would be very helpful. You just need to set up the grub first stage loader on the new disk. You do this from the grub shell, with something like "setup(hd0)", where hd0 is the first disk seen by grub. It's probably easiest to move all the data, then remove the old disk. With just the new disk in, boot a Knoppix CD or similar, and run the grub shell from there. HTH, Mike. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk Mon Jun 20 09:52:10 2005 From: ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk (Ian Lewis) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:52:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Planet GLLUG? Message-ID: > > to get to know people as rounded individuals. > ^^^^^^^ > Hmmm, that could be taken either way really... > Then there are those who post and are desperate to present themselves as 'well-rounded individuals'. Whether they succeed or not is entirely down to the reader. Ian -- Ever tried, ever failed. No matter. Try again, fail again. Fail better - Samuel Beckett -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mimo at gn.apc.org Thu Jun 2 20:43:28 2005 From: mimo at gn.apc.org (Michael Moritz) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:43:28 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200506022143.29004.mimo@gn.apc.org> On Thursday 02 June 2005 18:25, Jason Clifford wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Moritz wrote: > > Thought this was about the reduction of mail server load, not weird MTA > > implementations... > > If you don't care more about deliverying legitimate email than preserving > your resources you should not be operating an ISP. > Sure there is a case of losing emails. But see below for that point. An MTA that doesnt care about negative replies is likely to lose emails even without any greylisting going on. Mail servers go down for maintenance reasons, are overloaded, reject messages because of bad content or because the sending MTA is erroneously blacklisted. Any MTA that cant deal with this is basically faulty. > > BTW, there is still a problem with this. What does one of these "critical > > upstream MTAs" do when it is confronted with a genuine 4xx message? Does > > it just lose the message, seriously? I think that's even more worrying > > than greylisting... > > Yes it is however the introduction of greylisting compounds such problems. Point taken. Nevertheless the problem remains. If an ISP does lose mail on 4xx then it's no a propper ISP since he's not sticking to the SMTP RFC. Hence, such an ISP should be punished by any means don't you think? Now, the average user does not care about RFCs. But, in a situation where more ISPs start using greylisting such ISPs will be quickly forced to comply with standards. This is actually the case, just do some statistics about 4xx replies on your mail server logs and you'll see what I mean. mimo -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Tue Jun 7 14:58:27 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:58:27 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 07 Jun 2005 15:24:13 BST." <871x7e6y9e.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <200506071458.j57EwSWQ006650@isengard.accucard.com> Nix writes: >In other news, Hell[1] wins bid for 2006 Winter Olympics. Tsk, tsk... get with the times. Hell's winning bid was confirmed earlier yesterday at Apple's WWDC. Debian's shock move merely confirmed the win. Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 29 23:28:40 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:28:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Samba 2 co-existance with AD In-Reply-To: <42C32686.2060808@acu.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Wed 29 Jun, Mike Brodbelt wrote: > > Anthony Newman wrote: > > Ken Smith wrote: > > > >>Hi - I hope you can help with a question about Samba 2. I'm supporting a > >>config where there is an old Samba 2 (RH 7) system which has been running > >>fine for years. Recently the original NT4 DC has been migrated to a W2K3 > >>machine and the NT4 box retired. > >> > >>Now there are problems with XP SP2 machines unable to map shares. The shares > >>were mapped by IP address so nmb/wins issues shouldn?t be a problem. > >> > >>I recall there being some changes to the password authentication > >>methods/algorithms from NT4 to AD and I think port 445 began to be used > >>rather than 13*. > > > > > > It's since Win2k(NT5.0) IIRC that port 445 was used for various things. > > Port 445 is just SMB over TCP, as opposed to SMB encapsulated in NetBIOS. > In that case there may be more than one use for port 445, it is used for https encrypted login by both IPCop and Smoothwall -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jun 15 20:29:04 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:29:04 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] iptables and flaky ssh, ftp, vnc In-Reply-To: <42B05DBD.3060205@io.com> References: <1118694440.5676.12.camel@localhost> <42B05DBD.3060205@io.com> Message-ID: <1118867344.6470.12.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 17:56 +0100, Alan Peery wrote: > Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > > >The problem is that when using ssh, ftp or vnc, the connection is often > >lost. > > > By any chance do you live in the flight path of one of the airports? > Somewhere around 1/3 of the traffic coming into Heathrow seems to knock > my wireless for a loop, and TCP connections therefore drop. I'm not near a flightpath, fortunately by the sound of things! The connection here is tenuous, but I don't have any problems using ssh from my compaq. [Thinkpad] <-> [Compaq, iptables] <-> [Belkin router next door] That's why I think there must be something wrong with my iptables rules. Have you tried using different aerials? Tom Weissmann ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Fri Jun 24 14:10:51 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:10:51 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Benchmarking Message-ID: <1119622251.6705.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> I acknowledge Walid's comments re. HPL benchmarking the other day. I cam across this site today http://www.topcrunch.org It is an initiative to benchmark using real-world codes. We work with LS-DYNA (saves on clearing up the mangled bits of cars and cruelty to crash test dummies. Also models bras. Ahem (*) ) Ansys and various computational chemistry codes. (*) No, we've never been asked run those models. Shame. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From walid.shaari at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 12:17:27 2005 From: walid.shaari at gmail.com (Wal) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 15:17:27 +0300 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... In-Reply-To: <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> References: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> Message-ID: On 6/22/05, John Hearns wrote: > > Actually it runs SuSE. We paint go-faster stripes on the side with > our SCore parallel environment. Standard MPI libraries, but a low > latency gigabit layer. 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I should try the second one.. > but I'd prefer to be sure. http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=debian+cd+contents&btnG=Google+Search&meta= 5th link down -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adam at thebowery.co.uk Tue Jun 7 10:10:15 2005 From: adam at thebowery.co.uk (Adam Bower) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:10:15 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <42A56C1A.8030807@uncertainty.org.uk> References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> <47616.195.190.132.207.1118126735.squirrel@webmail.morsing.org> <42A56C1A.8030807@uncertainty.org.uk> Message-ID: <20050607101015.GO17034@thebowery.co.uk> On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 10:42:50AM +0100, Sean Burlington wrote: > Do I just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change testing to stable? > > Anything else I need to do? Read the release notes, just to be on the safe side. http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes Thanks Adam -- jabberid = quinophex at jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From kens at kensnet.org Tue Jun 28 10:13:10 2005 From: kens at kensnet.org (Ken Smith) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:13:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Samba 2 co-existance with AD Message-ID: <000c01c57bc9$fc7adb00$190010ac@kensmw2kp> Hi - I hope you can help with a question about Samba 2. I'm supporting a config where there is an old Samba 2 (RH 7) system which has been running fine for years. Recently the original NT4 DC has been migrated to a W2K3 machine and the NT4 box retired. Now there are problems with XP SP2 machines unable to map shares. The shares were mapped by IP address so nmb/wins issues shouldn?t be a problem. I recall there being some changes to the password authentication methods/algorithms from NT4 to AD and I think port 445 began to be used rather than 13*. So the basic question - can an XP SP2 machine, which is otherwise part of an AD domain, map a share from a machine that would look as if it were share an NT4 machine that is not in the AD domain? Thanks in advance Ken -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.5/32 - Release Date: 27/06/2005 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Fri Jun 17 14:38:57 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:38:57 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Planet GLLUG? Message-ID: <20050617143857.GX5322@rumble.net> A bunch of the LUGs in Australia now have aggregated blogs of their members. See: http://planet.slug.org.au http://planet.linux.org.au So should we have a GLLUG one? 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Use rsync. -----END QUOTE----- (Apologies for broken quoting style - using a crapberry on the move) The server is a ftp server owned by another organisation which I have no access to (apart from ftp access) I read the rsync man page (and googled for rsync and ftp) but I didn't think rsync was going to be possible. It would be perfect if it was available. Thanks ~sm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 13 09:25:00 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:25:00 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Grepping tab-completions Message-ID: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> Hi I'm trying to remember the command that will let me use KDE io-slaves from bash, and I think it starts with 'k' and contains 'exec'. So what I'd like to do is pipe the names of all the commands available on my path that begin with 'k' through grep, but haven't a clue how. What's an easy way to search the path like this? cheers, Tom Weissmann ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Fri Jun 10 13:36:39 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:36:39 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:36:32 BST." <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <200506101336.j5ADadxG028698@isengard.accucard.com> Ashley Evans writes: >Google returns a myriad of companies. Anybody with positive first hand >experience ? Nope. Every time I've been in that situation, the owner of the data has always decided that they'd rather lose it than pay for recovery. It's *very* expensive. Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Wed Jun 8 22:42:00 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 23:42:00 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <200506082328.54696.sean@uncertainty.org.uk> (Sean Burlington's message of "Wed, 8 Jun 2005 23:28:54 +0100") References: <42A591D3.4020501@hinterlands.org> <200506082328.54696.sean@uncertainty.org.uk> Message-ID: Sean Burlington writes: > - I have just updated clamav using this system - I haven't found much > information about debian.volatile yet ... There is a mailing list archived on gmane. Basically, it is designed to handle packages in stable that *require* frequent updates to remain useful. cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nelson_menezes at yahoo.co.uk Sun Jun 5 21:03:21 2005 From: nelson_menezes at yahoo.co.uk (Nelson Menezes) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 22:03:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Stepping up on the patents front In-Reply-To: <20050530185531.GA17270@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <20050605210321.95029.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I'll "third" it, although what really should change is the UK government's position. It might be worthwhile contacting your MP as well, even if the MEPs manage to stop it for now. It's national governments pushing for this ridiculous thing (because they have the interested companies so far up their... ahem). The European Parliament is actually mostly against it, but national governments will force it through any way they can. --- Richard Jones wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 11:33:33AM +0100, Mamading Ceesay > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Spurred by this ZDnet UK article ( > > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39200624,00.htm > ) on > > the outcome of the recent UKPO workshops on the > European Patent > > Directive, I felt moved today to contact those of my > MEPs reachable > > via http://www.writetothem.com in order to make my > views known and > > asking them to do their part. > > > > Can I suggest those of you who haven't already done so, > do likewise.=20 > > Sustained pressure leading to a high MEP turnout when > the Directive > > gets its second reading could make all the difference. > > I'll second this. > > Rich. ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From doug at pigeonhold.com Fri Jun 3 10:40:03 2005 From: doug at pigeonhold.com (Doug Winter) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:40:03 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] o2, web, site, .... In-Reply-To: <20050603102146.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> References: <20050603102146.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Message-ID: <42A03383.4030507@pigeonhold.com> Alain Williams wrote: > I tried their web site (o2.co.uk) -- it tells me that I need to update my browser, > (I tried the latest mozilla & firefox). I 'phone customer services who ask me to > email: my-care at o2.co.uk - this bounced, they confirm that it is correct. Their web site is a pile of poo, as is their useless customer service, but it's always worked ok for me in firefox before. What are you doing to get the message? Oh, and I think the email address you want is mycare at o2mail.co.uk. Cheers, Doug. -- 6973E2CF: 2C95 66AD 1596 37D2 41FC 609F 76C0 A4EC 6973 E2CF http://adju.st/ -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at sinodun.org.uk Sun Jun 26 07:09:21 2005 From: john at sinodun.org.uk (John Winters) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 08:09:21 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: <1119769762.2465.2.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 13:35 +0100, Joel Bernstein wrote: [snip] > Incidentally, suggestions of anybody else who can provide preferably LLU > DSL in London NW6 accepted gratefully. If nobody else can do it I guess > I'll have to go back to a BT ipstream service - anybody recommend a > reasonably clueful ISP who don't take the piss and can do a 2MB+ circuit > for Bulldog money? Unfortunately, going with the cheapest provider almost always means you get piss-poor service. It's always a personal balance, but I'm willing to pay a bit more (and it's only a bit) in order to deal with people with clue. Give UKFSN or Andrews and Arnold a try. Cheers, John -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From addw at phcomp.co.uk Tue Jun 14 16:55:44 2005 From: addw at phcomp.co.uk (Alain Williams) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:55:44 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mirroring a local dir to ftp (curl?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050614165544.GQ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 05:53:45PM +0100, Morris, Simon wrote: > Hello, > > I have a local directory that I'd like to mirror up onto a ftp server as part of a cron script. > > Looking at the available tools (The server is OS X) curl seems the best bet, but doesn't seem to do recursive uploads. > > So far I've come up with > > find /path/to/dir -exec curl -T {} \; > > But its horribly inefficient. > > Does anyone have a better idea (I know someone will have) either using curl or another tool. Use rsync. -- Alain Williams Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Linux Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 #include -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know what tools either provides, but I can think of a few *evil* ways to transfer a file between machines without any decent file-transfer stuff. I think the best [worst] I ever saw was as follows: 1) uuencode file 2) split into 8 byte chunks 3) use adb to write chunks into /etc/utmp, sleeping after each write 4) use rwho to retrieve chunks But seriously, if that's looking attractive, you have FAR bigger problems. /joel -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Thu Jun 16 12:17:53 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:17:53 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Support for thunderbird In-Reply-To: <1B70CC9B5A120A4881CF4070B6E05EF632CF38@hslukmail.uk.hornbill.com> References: <1B70CC9B5A120A4881CF4070B6E05EF632CF38@hslukmail.uk.hornbill.com> Message-ID: <42B16DF1.9020201@hoshy.co.uk> Mike Leigh wrote: >>Thanks Mike. I did think of the large number solution but >>the bossman of the company I'm working for is worried that he >>may miss the one email, should it timeout overnight. Did you >>check if 99999999 was the largest number tbird will accept? >>I'll do it later when I get a chance. >> >> >> Haha, I think you're right about Windows. This could be the way out for us! Cheers >>I use both the Linux version and the Windows version. The 8*9 test was >>performed on Windows XP with Thunderbird 1.0.2 >> >>Thanks >> >>Mike >> >> -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tim at seacon.co.uk Fri Jun 24 10:10:01 2005 From: tim at seacon.co.uk (t.clarke) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:10:01 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] port forwarding Message-ID: Hi Guys I have tried googling and applying the schemes suggested for port-forwarding, but without success. The problem is basically that when our main internet circuit is down, I need to be able to give certain customers acces to the web server via an alternate ADSL circuit which is connected to another linux (debian) box. The Vigor router unfortunately will not port-forward directly to the web-server box (which is on a different IP address range), so I have set up the Vigor to accept port 80 connections and forward them to its local linux box. This part works OK. Where things go wrong is I cannot set up port-forwarding from the debian ADSL box (uses iptables) to the weberserver box. When I tried it, it looked very much as if the incoming packets were being directed to the webserver box but the replies were going nowhere. Maybe another rule is needed. The rules I used were: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to \ 192.168.n.n:80 iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m --state NEW --dport 80 -i eth0 -j ACCEPT Any suggestions would be appreciated. In the meantime I am using an almighty kludge of a small 'c' program listening on port 80 the ADSLdebian machine and then sending them on to the other machine and then passing the replies back. It seems to work, but is clumsy and only one port80 connection can be open at a time. Thanks Tim -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This E-Mail (and any files transmitted with it) is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. 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The machine is up > however the front panel shows "warn". > > It seems to be stuck in some kind of text editor. Anybody know how > exit common editors, does this thing have VTs? I think I could figure > out at least how to check the network and reboot and look at logs if I > could make it to a terminal. > Any tid bits would be welcome. > > Thanks. > Ashley > I'm in the SAM admin program but I can't for the life of me figure out how to exit it. I've found a user guide for it on the hp website but it contains mostly info on the X version and no information on how to exit. Cheers, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From gl.lug at ntlworld.com Tue Jun 28 18:23:47 2005 From: gl.lug at ntlworld.com (Pip) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:23:47 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mail servers on FC4 In-Reply-To: <42C18439.90700@uk.clara.net> References: <200506272010.21197.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> <200506281738.04311.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> <42C18439.90700@uk.clara.net> Message-ID: <200506281923.47152.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> On Tuesday 28 Jun 2005 18:09, Anthony Newman wrote: > > Oh, absolutely, but having SMTP and POP3 solutions that co-exist happily > (read "use the same user/authentication systems" and "store mail in > compatible formats") is your way to Nirvana. Drat! I was hoping for Valhalla. > You do need to deliver mail > for people to collect, after all :) Picky, picky, picky. Some people want everything. > It is rather *ahem* comprehensive, but well written. If you know what > you want to achieve it's great, but if you want a quick solution it's > probably not a great help initially. I'd have a play if you've got a > spare machine to test on, you'll soon get into it :) I think I could probably read through it fairly quickly. It's the remembering of it afterwards that's a problem. > You can't beat a good granny-sucking egg. > If you're after virtual "hosting", I'd say you'll first need to decide > on a user authentication backend for your POP3 server that exim can also > use to determine valid users and filesystem targets for mail delivery, > then probably consult the (again quite good) install documentation to > find out what to change in the Makefile to get the right bits compiled > in. (If you're feeling keen it can use LDAP, so you can tie it into a > common user auth framework with your Samba server....) That would be what I'd like to move on to, but I'm starting with the supposedly simple idea of using htpasswd files. When that works, I'll know I've got something to work from. Until it does, I can't be sure just which part of the system is in need of a good tweaking. > Compiling from source is probably the best bet rather than using a > distro package which might not have much available other than a simple > local mbox delivery type setup, plus you get to see what sort of > features are available to spur your imagination :) I tend to need a cold shower after my imagination gets spurred. Probably not the best way forward. > Then it's time to > find out about getting a router (of the Exim rather than the IP variety) > to work with your chosen auth backend so mail gets accepted/rejected as > required and delivered to the right place. I thought I'd found something of that nature: dovecot_router: driver = accept #local_part_suffix = +* #local_part_suffix_optional require_files = +/var/spool/dovecot/users/${local_part}/ transport = dovecot_transport dovecot_transport: driver = appendfile user = dovecot group = dovecot mode = 0600 directory=/var/spool/dovecot/users/${lc:$local_part}/ maildir_format = true mode_fail_narrower = false envelope_to_add = true return_path_add = true (haven't got the url here, or I'd leave that breadcrumb for anyone hungry enough) But since the whole thing isn't working completely, I'm not sure if this is right, or if I've got a wrong configuration somewhere else. Thanks for the advice. Pip -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From csmith at micromuse.com Wed Jun 29 14:03:31 2005 From: csmith at micromuse.com (Christian Smith) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 15:03:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced In-Reply-To: References: <200506281917.35220.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> <87wtoe2mcv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <87hdfh3bo3.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Rich Walker wrote: >Nix writes: > >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005, Rich Walker suggested tentatively: >> >>> Anyone else noticed that Mozilla is very unreliable when run on a remote >>> machine with local display? >> >> I do it all the time: no problems detected (assuming that I grok `remote >> machine with local display' rightly: you mean that DISPLAY points to >> your local machine, right? i.e., that from Mozilla's POV, it's >> nonlocal?) > >Yeah. Sequence is: >ssh -X >mozilla www.bosch.com > > >on local machine >mozilla www.bosch.com >no bang. > >I think it's plug-in related. FWIW, I've had few problems with remote Mozilla from Solaris and Linux with some random stability issues on HP-UX. This was with Mozilla 1.7.2 and GTK1. YMMV. Try starting a local mozilla with DISPLAY set to the long form including hostname, forcing mozilla to run with a "remote" TCP X connection to the local machine. That way, you can rule out if it's a problem with the remoteness or some other configuration on the remote machine. > >cheers, Rich. > > -- /"\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN - AGAINST HTML MAIL X - AGAINST MS ATTACHMENTS / \ -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From gllug at craigmillar.org Mon Jun 27 20:00:16 2005 From: gllug at craigmillar.org (Craig Millar) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:00:16 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Re: ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: References: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: <20050627200016.GB15794@shapero.com> On 25/06/05 20:44 +0100, Jason Clifford wrote: > UKFSN can offer a 2Mb line for ?19.99 / month which includes 30GB of > daytime (8am - 10pm) bandwidth and 300GB of evening and weekend bandwidth > and a single static IP address. I find this a very attractive offer, but am not sure if I exceed the bandwidth monthly. Anyone have any recommendations for measuring these things, both in and out, and preferably with the ability to graph the data so that I can work out how much I use during daytime and other times? > Options for more bandwidth are available - obviously that costs more. How much more? If one exceeds the cap, do you pull the plug, or just raise additional charges for any usage over? Apologies if this information is available on your website - I couldn't locate it. Thanks Craig -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 25 15:14:01 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:14:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: On Sat 25 Jun, Joel Bernstein wrote: > > > Incidentally, suggestions of anybody else who can provide preferably LLU > DSL in London NW6 accepted gratefully. If nobody else can do it I guess > I'll have to go back to a BT ipstream service - anybody recommend a > reasonably clueful ISP who don't take the piss and can do a 2MB+ circuit > for Bulldog money? > > /joel I have remained with Demon since my first dial-up connection. There has not been much noticeable contention effect on ADSL so far, although that may change as all possible home connections are being upgraded to 2Mbps by September. My connection has been fairly reliable, but not the cheapest available. They do offer SDSL, dedicated lines, and more, and have many large customers. There are reports of admin and billing problems affecting some customers, but that seems to be common with large organisations. Their "demon.service" newsgroup is open to inspection from anywhere. -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Thu Jun 9 14:11:03 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:11:03 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> Ashley Evans wrote: > Hi, > > I'm asking here because I'm sure more than a few of you have moved > from Exchange to Postfix, or other Linux mailserver. > > Migrated from MS mailserver, still using outlook* at a client. > some people are having their outgoing messages blocked by addresses > with square brackets, I'm familiar with using <> in email addresses > but not []. > * not for long!!! > > Cheers, > Ashley > Sorry guys. The addresses are in the form: Ashley Evans [ hoshy at hoshy.co.uk ] I would expect <> to be used. Is this an outlook thing is one question. Mainly I'd like to know the arguments for and against getting postfix to accept addresses like this. If that's even possible. Regards, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Thu Jun 16 17:05:17 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:05:17 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Connection reset by peer In-Reply-To: <1118929837.5627.15.camel@localhost> References: <1118929837.5627.15.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050616170517.GB13235@furbychan.cocan.org> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 02:50:36PM +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > vnc and ssh are pretty much unusable for me, sessions keep breaking with > the error "Connection reset by peer". It must be to do with my network > setup, but'm having problems pinning it down. Some crappy ADSL routers (like mine) drop NAT connections after a very short and non-configurable timeout. The solution - apart from throwing away aforementioned broken routers - is to send TCP keepalive packets to keep the connection up. I have the following line somewhere early on in my startup scripts: echo 600 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From aaron.trevena at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 11:00:35 2005 From: aaron.trevena at gmail.com (Aaron Trevena) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:00:35 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: References: <1118142466.5212.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 6/8/05, Wayne Allen wrote: > anyone have any experience with change management software? We could > deploy CVS across all of our servers to track changes of config files > etc, but we are looking for something a bit more 'wordy'. needs to run on > Linux/Solaris, and GNU if possible rcs mgr? http://www.earlham.edu/~littejo/software/rcs.mgr http://www.earlham.edu/~littejo/software/rcs.mgr.html CVS is probably overkill A. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon.morris at cmtww.com Tue Jun 21 13:57:29 2005 From: simon.morris at cmtww.com (Simon Morris) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:57:29 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] MP3-CDs In-Reply-To: <42B81B69.8060106@ucl.ac.uk> References: <42B81B69.8060106@ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1119362249.10689.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 14:51 +0100, Robert Bannocks wrote: > Hi all, > > Can anyone tell me how I burn and MP3-CD under linix. By MP3-CD mean > a > CD-R disk > with a format that works in my new portable CD payer which supports > "MP3 > Playback" (from > a CD disk). Quite a bit of googling has just confused me. Most sites > seem to suggest converting > the MP3s into a standard audio CD. This is not what I want as the MP3 > play back seems to support > mutiple albums on one physical CD. Hi Robert, I don't have a MP3 playback device like yours but it sounds like you just want to burn the MP3 files directly to a disk You could use gtoast, k3b, cdrecord or even Nautilus. ~sm -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mimo at gn.apc.org Thu Jun 2 13:53:44 2005 From: mimo at gn.apc.org (Michael Moritz) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:53:44 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: References: <200506021431.46672.mimo@gn.apc.org> Message-ID: <200506021453.44875.mimo@gn.apc.org> On Thursday 02 June 2005 14:43, Rich Walker wrote: > Michael Moritz writes: > > On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:17, Jason Clifford wrote: > >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Moritz wrote: > >> > This is a misunderstanding. The receiving SMTP server (the one that > >> > does the greylisting) reads the MAIL FROM, RCPT TO, and client > >> > address, then checks the greylisting database and issues a 450. This > >> > is before the DATA section of the SMTP session. > >> > >> You are trusting that all other MTAs and MUAs do the "right thing". > >> Experience shows that this sometimes is not the case. > > > > What do you mean? My SMTP server disconnects after the greylist check, > > the session is ended. No way the sender can continue sending the mail > > data as the tcp session is closed. > > The sender then drops the mail on the floor, or bounces it to the > originator with an unhelpful message. Thought this was about the reduction of mail server load, not weird MTA implementations... > > *This* is the problem with greylisting - critical upstream MTA's break > when presented with it. That is why you would whitelist them beforehand. BTW, there is still a problem with this. What does one of these "critical upstream MTAs" do when it is confronted with a genuine 4xx message? Does it just lose the message, seriously? I think that's even more worrying than greylisting... mimo > > cheers, Rich. > > -- > rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk > technical director 251 Liverpool Road | > need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 > www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Tue Jun 7 22:53:04 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:53:04 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <87slzt4w7z.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> <871x7e6y9e.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <42A5B670.8090001@hinterlands.org> <42A5B742.2080907@hinterlands.org> <87slzt4w7z.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <42A62550.9090502@hinterlands.org> Nix wrote: >>Gods, not God's. > > > Well, nobody knows how to use apostrophes anyway. I do, but I was in auto-type mode where God's seemed more logical. "Gods" is .no for "goods". -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From richard at zygous.co.uk Tue Jun 28 22:22:32 2005 From: richard at zygous.co.uk (Richard Turner) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:22:32 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced In-Reply-To: References: <200506281917.35220.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> <87wtoe2mcv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <1119997352.2940.4.camel@melkor.zygous.co.uk> On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 23:15 +0100, Matthew Thompson wrote: > Sorry but the BBC Micro was quite a success and that was in part due > to a government IT initiative. This is true, but didn't that scheme offer educational institutes a choice between the BBC Micro and the RM Nimbus? Given that the uptake of the Nimbus was also quite large, and eventually outstripped the Acorn and is still being bought, I'd say that's only a partial success at best! 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The first address is Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Tue Jun 28 14:58:26 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:58:26 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] OpenOffice question Message-ID: <20050628145826.GA32562@furbychan.cocan.org> Much as I dislike using OpenOffice ... What I want to do is edit a document in native (.xsi) format, but keep a parallel version in Powerpoint (.ppt) format. We use the native version in the office - since we all use OpenOffice - and occasionally send the Powerpoint version to outside people. At the moment, I have to periodically do "Save As" Powerpoint, then remember next time to "Save As" native format - if I don't remember this latter step, bad things happen when my documents get out of synch. Is it possible to have the "Save" button save in both formats? Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ran at bullet3.fsnet.co.uk Sun Jun 26 23:25:48 2005 From: ran at bullet3.fsnet.co.uk (Robert Newson) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 00:25:48 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <81bc82db050626031520f526b4@mail.gmail.com> <1119782421.2465.8.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <17086.43662.7377.557534@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> Message-ID: <42BF397C.6050100@bullet3.fsnet.co.uk> Peter Grandi wrote: ... > Does anybody remember the times when it was illegal to plug > a non-BT supplied phone into a BT line? Nice deal if you can > get it... I don't remember that far back, but I do remember it being illegal (still?) to plug a non BT Approved phone/modem into the BT system - ie if the device had a Green Triangle it was approved and could be connected to the BT network; if it had a Red Circle it was not approved and so couldn't be connected. (I never understood the point of that as unapproved devices couldn't be connected directly, or indirectly - was there a way to use them outside the BT system?) -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Sun Jun 12 21:00:54 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:00:54 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: (Rich Walker's message of "Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:51:37 +0100") References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> <42A85E64.9020703@pigeonhold.com> <87y89izfsp.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <20050610141055.GB19394@createservices.com> Message-ID: <87slznb88p.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Rich Walker announced authoritatively: > In ten thousand years, industrial archaeologists will be tracing the > evolution of software by noticing the output effects of Nix's weird > hacks on gcc... What a fearfully worrying idea. (See for a rather nice possible future history. Now all it needs is someone with actual writing talent to set stories there... :/ ) > (I think Vernor Vinge, Ken McLeod and Peter Hamilton have all made > amusing use of code-archaeology themes in their work. I recall one > dialogue sequence: "how do we know the system> is human-derived?" "we found DOS bugs in the base code") The closest two to that I can think of are the Vinge _A Deepness in the Sky_ universe, in which it's made quite plain that Unix is still in use somewhere under all those layers of code (one presumes they've moved to 64-bit time_t), and the universe of _Metaplanetary_, when a pair of free converts (human-descended AIs, basically) stumble upon what appears to be pieces of a certain corporation's internal network, partly preserved by God only knows what mischance in the rarely-travelled interstices of 30th-century Titan's distant descendant of the net. (Classic line: `What the hell is a `Microsoft'?') -- `It's as bizarre an intrusion as, I don't know, the hobbits coming home to find that the Shire has been taken over by gangsta rappers.' -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Wed Jun 22 20:53:37 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:53:37 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... In-Reply-To: References: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> Message-ID: <1119473617.19840.21.camel@Vigor11> On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 12:17 -0700, Wal wrote: > On 6/22/05, John Hearns > wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 12:35 +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > > > Actually it runs SuSE. We paint go-faster stripes on the side with > > our SCore parallel environment. Standard MPI libraries, but a low > > latency gigabit layer. You need low latency to get the parallel > > performance to acceptable levels. > > The last couple of weeks i hear the word SUSE more than REDHAT*, that > was from local vendors representing IBM, SGI, HP, and AMD, is that > because they jumped into the 2.6 kernel wagon quicker, or in Clusters, > and HPC environment they have the technical lead?! SuSE also had the lead on a 64 bit distribution. At my last company, when we put in one of the first Opteron clusters in the UK at Manchester, SuSE had the native x86-64 distro available, but Redhat did not. We found SuSE to work well with the Opterons, and as far as I'm aware they still ship SuSE on that platform. At Streamline we find SuSE works well with Opteron and EMT64 The SCore environment is supported on SuSE. The subject of cost and importantly distro lifetime also comes into it, I'm afraid. We ship the download SuSE Professional to academic customers. SuSE/Novell will keep making updates to that for three years. We ship Redhat Enterprise, as many commercial ISV codes are certified to run on it, and commercial customers need that assurance. I'll be honest and say that a couple of labs/academic sites have the equivalent of site license deals for RH Enterprise. We also ship Scientific Linux, which is the distribution from CERN and Fermilab and is a Redhat 'white box'. As regards Fedora, we have one customer running Fedora (as far as I'm aware) The lifetime of six months for a distro is just too short - we support clusters for at least three years, and are now extending support on clusters which we shipped several years ago. I'm honestly not aware or any penetration of Fedora in the clustering space. So if you want a nice 2.6 series kernel to work with your shiny SATA controllers, etc. SuSE is looking good. Or Scientific Linux (I'm an enthusiast for SL). What about Debian? Debian really has no major presence in the HPC clustering market. I know - there is FAI etc. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From phil at tinsleyviaduct.com Tue Jun 14 07:50:36 2005 From: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com (Phil Reynolds) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:50:36 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Sound recording - distortion In-Reply-To: <004f01c570b4$1487de80$150010ac@kensnet> References: <20050614072120.GA10779@tinsleyviaduct.com> <004f01c570b4$1487de80$150010ac@kensnet> Message-ID: <20050614075036.GA9250@tinsleyviaduct.com> On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 08:38:37AM +0100, Ken Smith wrote: > Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Reynolds" > > > > Is distortion a common problem when recording sound using a VIA > > 8237-based motherboard? I am finding it so but was wondering if there > > was a known good way to fix it. > > Is the volume level going into the card too high? Is there another input - > you might be using the Mic level one by mistake. Well, I am definitely using the line-level input... The input is from a standard hi-fi amplifier (tape loop). I have tried reducing the level (snd kept sticking but audacity is OK) but I still get noticeable "mush" and squeaking. -- Phil Reynolds o ____ mail: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com |L_ \ / Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ (_)- \/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Tue Jun 7 15:03:30 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:03:30 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <42A5B670.8090001@hinterlands.org> References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> <871x7e6y9e.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <42A5B670.8090001@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: <42A5B742.2080907@hinterlands.org> Martin A. Brooks wrote: > The sign on the next building along says "God's Expedition" Gods, not God's. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pjoanes at hotmail.com Fri Jun 3 23:35:47 2005 From: pjoanes at hotmail.com (Peter Joanes) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 00:35:47 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Re: Installing Flash player on Debian In-Reply-To: <42A0C6D5.5050701@markpreston.co.uk> References: <42A0C6D5.5050701@markpreston.co.uk> Message-ID: On Friday 03 June 2005 22:08, Mark Preston wrote: > tar -xzvf install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz > cd install_flash_player_7_linux/ > ./flashplayer-installer > > Works for me. I would like distributions to work to avoid this. I don't want to run an installer on my system and hopefully I won't have to because it's easy enough to integrate most programs (even proprietary) with the native package management scheme. I want to be able to find out which package a file belongs to, i.e. in this case, like this: # equery b /usr/lib32/nsbrowser/plugins/flashplayer.xpt [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib32/nsbrowser/plugins/flashplayer.xpt in *... ] net-www/netscape-flash-7.0.25 I think most distributions have some equivalent of this, and alternatively I'd prefer just a tarball, so I don't feel that "./flashplayer-installer" works for me. Cheers, - Pete. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From will at willj.net Thu Jun 2 11:43:03 2005 From: will at willj.net (will) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:43:03 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Presumably this is someone trying to DOS me? In-Reply-To: <1117711273.4221.5.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1117711273.4221.5.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <429EF0C7.3010503@willj.net> Adrian McMenamin wrote: > See the httpd access_log fragment below... I get a series of these every > six hours or so and the numbers appear to be building albeit very > slowly. Nothing to worry about now, but might be in the future... as the > IP is an aol address it is well chosen by the attacker to make it > difficult to block ... unless someone has an alternative explanation? > > > 195.93.21.98 - - [30/May/2005:19:42:30 +0100] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 0 > "-" "-" Probably not, I think this is AOL's Proxy/something, happens to me. Do a whois on the IP for the details. will -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Thu Jun 30 15:20:44 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:20:44 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Spamassassin problems In-Reply-To: <1120144335.3852.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1120144335.3852.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <1120144844.3172.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-06-30 at 16:12 +0100, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > Continuing my travails with my FC4 mailserver, yum upgraded my > spamassassin/spamass-milter set up to SA v 3.0.4 and, AFAICS, the milter > to 0.2.1. I tried to do this and found it horribly convoluted anbd annoying. IMO< you'd be better off using exim4 with exiscan which allows you to easily plug in all kinds of AV and anti-spam software. Mart. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk Tue Jun 14 15:26:01 2005 From: ian.lewis at dlf.org.uk (Ian Lewis) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:26:01 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Network upgrades Message-ID: > > > > > Is there anyone out there who can give me an idea of where > I can get a > > demonstration of NAS? It's probably dead simple but I'd > rather spend the > > money on something I understand. We are, literally, a > charity case... > > Stupid suggestion: the people you're buying the NAS off should be able > to demo it - if not, they probably won't be much good for > support either > :-> Not so stupid but I would rather see a real installation and talk to a real sysadmin who has experience of it. I'm more likely to hear what matters from someone in the same job as me. Good point about the support/sales demo though. Ian -- Ever tried, ever failed. No matter. Try again, fail again. Fail better - Samuel Beckett -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 13 11:10:38 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:10:38 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] BBC R3 offers first 5 Beethoven symphonies for download In-Reply-To: <42AD65FC.7070207@uk.clara.net> References: <20050613100518.GA22355@furbychan.cocan.org> <42AD65FC.7070207@uk.clara.net> Message-ID: <1118661038.7008.30.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 11:54 +0100, Anthony Newman wrote: > Richard Jones wrote: > > As (128 kbps) mp3s, no less: > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/beethoven/downloads.shtml > > > > Rich. > > > > They're not bad at all, apart from the bloke yakking about it at the > beginning. People do yakk an incredible amount of cr8p about music. From now on I'm going to stick to "not bad", "not good", "not good at all", "not bad at all". As in, "Rachmaninov? ah hmn nbaa, you know? Mostly." cheers, TW ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mpcooke3 at hotmail.com Fri Jun 10 16:04:45 2005 From: mpcooke3 at hotmail.com (Matthew Cooke) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:04:45 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Linux -> windows issues In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm getting desperate so I thought I'd see if anyone could help despite this really being a windows issue. I have jmDNS (a java multicast DNS implementation) running as part of an application I'm developing. In linux the multicast DNS works ok but I can't seem to get it to work under Windows XP. Using Ethereal I can see packets being sent to 224.0.0.251 but I never seem to receive them on another windows XP machine. The windows firewalls are all turned off. Any ideas? Matt. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 18:26:35 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:26:35 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Determining Key Length In-Reply-To: <20050621161657.GB8222@bfitzgerald.co.uk> References: <20050621161657.GB8222@bfitzgerald.co.uk> Message-ID: On 6/21/05, Ben Fitzgerald wrote: > I'm sure there must be several ways, but one is: > > ben at deb-tv$ ssh-keygen -l -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub > 1024 34:cc:9c:f3:74:25:72:35:cf:95:6b:f3:6c:89:8b:f2 /export/home/ben/.ssh/id_rsa.pub Works a treat - thanks Ben. > ben. S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 9 11:21:24 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:21:24 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Dell Poweredge 4200 In-Reply-To: <1118315899.1848.3.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> References: <1118313037.3902.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> <1118314289.2118.1.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> <1118314940.3902.21.camel@mayday.localdomain> <1118315899.1848.3.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> Message-ID: <1118316084.3902.25.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 12:18 +0100, Huw Lynes wrote: > On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 12:02, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > > Well it will boot the Knoppix CD, but not from the HD - it simply stops > > after it has been through the SCSI initialisation. But now you come to > > mention it, it does post up some message about the disks being wiped by > > some IBM porgram - I wonder if I should do a low level format and try > > again? > > So you are doing an install from the knoppix cd to /dev/sda1 ? Yes using the supplied script - knoppix-installer iirc > > When you reboot you don't get any LILO/GRUB messages? None at all. Doesn't interact with the installation in any way as far as I can see. > -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ahem (*) ) > Ansys and various computational chemistry codes. > > (*) No, we've never been asked run those models. Shame. As it happens... It's a long story... But I currently find myself heavily involved in the IT side of an Asian bra manufacturer. Yes, seriously. I shall have to do some serious research on this issue. :-) Richard -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Mon Jun 6 13:41:10 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 14:41:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Distribution Lists In-Reply-To: <42A430DA.9070505@hoshy.co.uk> (Ashley Evans's message of "Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:17:46 +0100") References: <42A430DA.9070505@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: Ashley Evans writes: > Hi, > > I'm looking into simple methods to create distrbution lists that don't require subscriptions and > will only accept mail from internal addresses. > > I was going to use simple aliases but that would be open to external mis-use. Mailman seems like an > overkill. Any ideas of something to do the job, or even how to make postfix only accept mail for > list1 at example.com from internal hosts? We use mailman for that here. We can then choose on a per-address basis whether to make it externally usable (useful for trusted third parties and point-of-contact addresses), externally visible (useful for collaborations) or whatever... cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From robertc at boogdesign.com Thu Jun 9 13:53:12 2005 From: robertc at boogdesign.com (Rob Crowther) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:53:12 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Stepping up on the patents front In-Reply-To: References: <20050530185531.GA17270@furbychan.cocan.org> <20050605210321.95029.qmail@web25001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <42A849C8.3090400@boogdesign.com> The situation in the US might be about to change, which might affect the argument in Europe: http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-5737961.html Though having read through the article the focus of the legislation seems to be to reduce the cost of lawsuits against Microsoft rather than to address the root problems of software patents. Rob -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mozrat at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 14:45:09 2005 From: mozrat at gmail.com (Simon Morris) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:45:09 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mirroring a local dir to ftp (curl?) In-Reply-To: <1B70CC9B5A120A4881CF4070B6E05EF632CF22@hslukmail.uk.hornbill.com> References: <1B70CC9B5A120A4881CF4070B6E05EF632CF22@hslukmail.uk.hornbill.com> Message-ID: On 6/15/05, Mike Leigh wrote: > Just thougt I would add my thoughts to this. What about wget. You may have > to do it the other way around though but my understanding is that wget is > the sort of tool for recursive file grabbing. > > Did I miss something with your original question that means wget is a non > starter for you ? > The main constraint was that I only had FTP access to the server.. cannot configure any services such as rsync etc. Oh, and the machine I want to copy from is a OS X server... ncftpput seems to do quite well, the only remaining niggle is that I really want to delete the content on the server before I upload the latest stuff and ncftp doesn't seem to be scriptable. A Python ftplib script should handle a simple directory delete. Thanks ~sm -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at sinodun.org.uk Wed Jun 1 08:22:17 2005 From: john at sinodun.org.uk (John Winters) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:22:17 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <20050531235258.GA20742@shapero.com> References: <20050531235258.GA20742@shapero.com> Message-ID: <1117614137.31103.2.camel@blackbox.shiplake.org.uk> On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 00:52 +0100, Craig Millar wrote: > i've been using/testing/playing with spamassassin for a while and the only > thing that bothers me about it is that it is damned slow and nails processing > time. to my mind it a great solution apart from this drain on my limited > resources. so, i googled for alternatives and have turned up bogofilter. > i have been unable to find a decent comparison between the two. is the > performance of bogofilter a trade off for its effectiveness, for example? I use both. Each catches things that the other misses. Are you dealing with a very large volume of e-mail, to the extent where the CPU load of SA is overloading your system? Yes, each individual e-mail takes a while to process, but I find the delay in reception perfectly acceptable. If my system weren't filtering e-mails it would be staring into space and twiddling its thumbs. Is the load produced by SA preventing your system from doing other constructive work? Are you using spamd? That can help speed things up. John -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hduerer at gmx.net Wed Jun 1 20:53:24 2005 From: hduerer at gmx.net (Holger Duerer) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:53:24 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] phone memory stick In-Reply-To: <200506012038.55173.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> (Christopher Hunter's message of "Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:38:55 +0100") References: <20050531073121.GC13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <200505312023.37887.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> <20050601070953.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <200506012038.55173.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <87ekbl94u3.fsf@ronaldann.demon.co.uk> >>>>> "Christopher" == Christopher Hunter writes: Christopher> On Wednesday 01 Jun 2005 08:09, Alain Williams wrote: >> On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 08:23:37PM +0100, Christopher Hunter wrote: >>> On Tuesday 31 May 2005 09:44, Alain Williams wrote: >>>> I left the shop after telling the manager that I was not >>>> going to buy there since his salesmen lied. Phones-4-u I >>>> think it was. >>> >>> You shouldn't be so hard on clueless sales-droids! They will >>> tell you ANYTHING to make a sale, as their weekly pay is >>> directly proportional to their personal turnover. >> >> That is exactly WHY we should be hard on these people. Lying to >> get a sale is theft. Why should we tolerate it ? It isn't OK >> just because it happens a lot - think car, insurance, pension, >> ... salesmen. >> [...] Christopher> I understand your point of view, but it's really a Christopher> case of caveat emptor. Christopher> Anyone purchasing anything (particularly of a Christopher> technical nature) should have done their homework Christopher> first, so the specious bluster of a salesperson can Christopher> be completely ignored. [...] That is one way to look at it: Do the work yourself. In general, however, our society has progressed further by dividing labour, i.e. I do what I am good at you do what you are good at. This is a win-win situation as we are both better off. If enough clued-up people do as Alain, there will be an economic incentive for sales people to do their job (i.e. advise the buyer properly). Far too many people act like you letting them get away with it and thus leaving us with technical purchases at the evolutionary level equivalent to everybody growing their own corn and baking their own bread. Holger P.S.: Yes, I know that the analogy with bread production is less than convincing here in Britain where people their Tesco-value 'bread'. :-) -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dev at archonet.com Thu Jun 30 07:27:22 2005 From: dev at archonet.com (Richard Huxton) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:27:22 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] PDA GPRS Internet Connectivity In-Reply-To: <007901c57cd1$8a3279a0$150010ac@kensnet> References: <200506291321.j5TDLqKo001133@isengard.accucard.com> <42C2AC55.6070309@tpg.com.au><87mzp919mo.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <42C2BDC2.8090300@tpg.com.au> <007901c57cd1$8a3279a0$150010ac@kensnet> Message-ID: <42C39EDA.2020803@archonet.com> Ken Smith wrote: > Hi Folks, Do we have any mobile internet experts here? I'm trying to use a > Palm M515 with bluetooth adaptor and a Nokia 6230 mobile phone to get an > internet connection via Voda GPRS. I assume this is possible ;-( > > I don't really understand the concepts here. But from the settings on the > Palm it appears that it is trying to make some kind of PPP connection via > the bluetooth. Is the PPP connection to the phone or all the way over the > GPRS to Voda? > > Anyway does any one here have the necessary incantations to put in the Palm > and the Mobile to get this working. Since nobody else has replied, I'll share my memories. I got my old Psion talking to the net through my Nokia 6310i over infrared. From memory, you just treat it like a modem and use a dialup number of "*99#" rather than a normal number. -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adam at thebowery.co.uk Mon Jun 27 12:46:03 2005 From: adam at thebowery.co.uk (Adam Bower) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:46:03 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <200506271333.07376.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> References: <200506271131.j5RBVCjB028682@isengard.accucard.com> <200506271239.32997.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> <20050627121707.GN29374@thebowery.co.uk> <200506271333.07376.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> Message-ID: <20050627124603.GO29374@thebowery.co.uk> On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 01:33:07PM +0100, Caparo wrote: > It seems then I have been lucky in all the years in IT of never having to > deal with anyone but the odd IT challanged individual. Mind you I am a hands > on guy who paid regular visits to the clientel and having met me the idea of > threatening me seemed to be very remote. Being 6'2" and 200+lb and ex > regiment does have its compensations. > As one other poster assumed my last mail was very tongue in cheek since I am > a client of Demons and have not so far had a problem with them or their tech > support. I must say that also out of 8 years working in IT I have only had that one incident where I had to deal with someone who was out of control (that is not counting psycho bosses who think that they are some major deity, at least going by the size of their ego it seemed that way), but at the same time I have never done helldesk work fulltime (and I won't for good reason....) but I have had my fair share of people who need that bit extra help who can drive you a bit nuts but I don't mind those kind of calls as the people calling are usually v.curteous and polite and appreciate the help. Adam -- jabberid = quinophex at jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From phil at tinsleyviaduct.com Thu Jun 9 21:15:59 2005 From: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com (Phil Reynolds) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:15:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] New hard disk needed - nearby suppliers? Message-ID: <20050609211559.GA15607@tinsleyviaduct.com> I am in quite desperate need of a new hard disk for my main Linux system - probably looking for about 160Gb. I am hoping to obtain one tomorrow, and would therefore appreciate any recommendations as to a supplier in North Middlesex whose prices are good. It will be the first time I have done an upgrade since I started using grub as my bootloader, so any hints on how to handle that part of a hard disk upgrade would be very helpful. Thanks in advance... -- Phil Reynolds o ____ mail: phil at tinsleyviaduct.com |L_ \ / Web: http://www.tinsleyviaduct.com/phil/ (_)- \/ Waltham 67, Emley Moor 69, Droitwich 79, Windows 95 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sarah at thaum.net Mon Jun 13 15:54:22 2005 From: sarah at thaum.net (Sarah Ewen) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:54:22 -0400 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki In-Reply-To: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050613155422.GA21281@hikey.org> > Thinking in terms of users ease of use and installers' programmatic > power which is the best IYNSHO? pmwiki is a handy one, all in php and doesn't require a DB backend, which makes it near instant to get running - just set the folder permisisons correctly. Not perfect for every occasion, but quite serviceable and currently in use for our team's knowledge sharing notepad. just my $0.02, Sarah. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon.morris at cmtww.com Fri Jun 17 15:26:23 2005 From: simon.morris at cmtww.com (Simon Morris) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:26:23 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Planet GLLUG? In-Reply-To: <20050617143857.GX5322@rumble.net> References: <20050617143857.GX5322@rumble.net> Message-ID: <1119021983.672.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 15:38 +0100, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > A bunch of the LUGs in Australia now have aggregated blogs of their > members. See: > http://planet.slug.org.au > http://planet.linux.org.au > > So should we have a GLLUG one? Funny you should say that - I mentioned it on #gllug about 2 days ago - it's a great idea. I installed planet for an internal blog server at work last night - it's a good piece of software. I'd be in. ~sm -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dev at archonet.com Thu Jun 2 10:16:11 2005 From: dev at archonet.com (Richard Huxton) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:16:11 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <429EDC6B.1070200@archonet.com> Jason Clifford wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Michael Moritz wrote: > >>The other pointis that ISPs couldnt afford to literally do nothing about spam. >>The cost would be to high, not talking about the level of user complaints. > > > The cost still hits the ISP even with filtering as the bandwidth has > already been used. Instead of cheap disk space to store the spam until > it's downloaded by the ISP the ISP that filters implemented expensive > servers to do the filtering. I thought greylisting issued a temporary reject as soon as the envelope-sender was known? You still get a connection, but save the bandwidth used in the message. -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From bredroll at darkspace.org.uk Tue Jun 21 23:03:41 2005 From: bredroll at darkspace.org.uk (Ian Norton-Badrul,,,) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:03:41 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] iptables and flaky ssh, ftp, vnc In-Reply-To: <1119387242.5352.24.camel@localhost> References: <1118694440.5676.12.camel@localhost> <42B05DBD.3060205@io.com> <1118867344.6470.12.camel@localhost> <17080.13345.453815.655389@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> <1119387242.5352.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050621230341.GB7080@satellite> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 09:54:02PM +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 16:37 +0100, Peter Grandi wrote: > > > There is probably wrong with the 'iptables' rules too, they are > > very very difficut to get right (and, as usual, very easy to get > > wrong but ''working''). I usually recommend using a rule set > > generator... But even that does not avoid the need for clear > > thinking. > > I'll stick my neck out. This is a semi-theoretical question. Given that > I wanted as transparent a link as possible, isn't this the minimal > ruleset I could have? > > regards, > Tom Weissmann > > ---------------------------------------- > world=0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 > dest=192.168.200.0/24 > dev=$1 > dynip=`/sbin/ifconfig | grep -A 4 $dev | awk '/inet/ { print $2 } ' | > sed -e s/addr://` > > iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s $world -d $dest -j ACCEPT -o $dev > iptables -I INPUT 1 -s $dest -d $world -j ACCEPT -i $dev > iptables -I FORWARD 1 -s $world -d $dest -j ACCEPT -o $dev > iptables -I FORWARD 1 -s $dest -d $world -j ACCEPT -i $dev > iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $dev -j SNAT --to $dynip > > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward The most simple transparent link as possible, # where eth1 is device connected to your route to the outside world iptables -F iptables -F -t nat iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward Ian -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From huw-l at moving-picture.com Wed Jun 8 11:20:18 2005 From: huw-l at moving-picture.com (Huw Lynes) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:20:18 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118229618.10299.10.camel@wingnut.mpc.local> On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 12:14, Wayne Allen wrote: > Email : wayne at fused.org > Web : http://www.fused.org/ > > > On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Steve Nelson wrote: > > > On 6/8/05, Wayne Allen wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > anyone have any experience with change management software? We could > > > deploy CVS across all of our servers to track changes of config files > > > etc, but we are looking for something a bit more 'wordy'. > > > > Could you explain what you mean by that? > > Basically its down to a question of who changed what, when, and why. I > have experience of using CVS to manage software projects, and have even > used it to manage configs for web servers, but it falls down when it comes > to I installed the new version of BIND today in xyz/aaa/com. Management > are begining to push for us to be more 'professional' and CMS seems to be > ther 'in' thing linux package management tools (e.g. deb and rpm) track that kind of info. It wouldn't be very difficult to poll the package DBs on each host and dump the pertinent info into a central database. CMS? means content management system a la Zope or Mambo? Not the first thing that springs to mind when tracking install changes. Huw -- | Huw Lynes | The Moving Picture Company | | System Administrator | 127 Wardour Street | |.........................| London, W1F 0NL | -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From joel at fysh.org Mon Jun 13 09:33:30 2005 From: joel at fysh.org (Joel Bernstein) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:33:30 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Grepping tab-completions In-Reply-To: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> References: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050613093330.GH19591@fysh.org> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 10:25:00AM +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying to remember the command that will let me use KDE io-slaves > from bash, and I think it starts with 'k' and contains 'exec'. So what > I'd like to do is pipe the names of all the commands available on my > path that begin with 'k' through grep, but haven't a clue how. My first instinct is to iterate around each element in $PATH, glob it [perform filename expansion], and then look for files beginning with k as follows: for dir in $(echo $PATH | tr ':' ' '); do echo $dir/* | tr ' ' '\n' | egrep "^$dir/k" done or probably rather more efficient: find $(echo $PATH | tr ':' ' ') -name 'k*' /joel -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Sat Jun 25 17:48:41 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:48:41 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: (Steve Nelson's message of "Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:34:43 +0100") References: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: <877jgitjie.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005, Steve Nelson moaned: > On 6/25/05, Chris Bell wrote: >> On Sat 25 Jun, Joel Bernstein wrote: >> > >> >> > >> > Incidentally, suggestions of anybody else who can provide preferably LLU >> > DSL in London NW6 accepted gratefully. > > When I lived in NW6 I used Demon - was very reliable Have the Great Internal Routing Failures been cleared up then? > My only gripe with them was their incompetence when I moved > house - they overbilled me, and made a mess of transitioning my > domain. Demon's billing, sales, customer service and general customer communication are beyond poor :( their actual *network* service is reasonably decent. -- `I lost interest in "blade servers" when I found they didn't throw knives at people who weren't supposed to be in your machine room.' --- Peter da Silva -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ben_m_f at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jun 21 16:16:57 2005 From: ben_m_f at yahoo.co.uk (Ben Fitzgerald) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:16:57 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Determining Key Length In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050621161657.GB8222@bfitzgerald.co.uk> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 01:35:57PM +0100, Steve Nelson wrote: > Hello Chums, > > I'm sure I must be missing something exceptionally obvious, but given > an ssh key - how does one find out what 'length' it is in bits? I'm sure there must be several ways, but one is: ben at deb-tv$ ssh-keygen -l -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub 1024 34:cc:9c:f3:74:25:72:35:cf:95:6b:f3:6c:89:8b:f2 /export/home/ben/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ben. -- Registered Linux user number 339435 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Mon Jun 13 22:31:04 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:31:04 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Failed MB BIOS Upgrade In-Reply-To: <001101c57063$dccf8d30$190010ac@kensmw2kp> References: <001101c57063$dccf8d30$190010ac@kensmw2kp> Message-ID: <42AE0928.60804@hoshy.co.uk> Ken Smith wrote: >Talking of FUBAR?d things ? are there any motherboard guru?s here. A BIOS >upgrade has failed and left it corrupt. The Intel manual describes a method >to recover this situation by removing a jumper from the board and booting >with the BIOS update floppy in the drive. The MB should read from the >floppy, make two beeps, which it does and then it should resume reading the >floppy ? which it doesn't. I suspect its not finding the stuff it should on >the floppy - I have tried several different versions of the BIOS - no luck. > >It?s a D845BG - Intel says it's no longer supported - its only 3 yrs old - >oh well... > >Anyway does anyone here have any more insight into recovery methods > >Thanks in advance > >Ken > > Hi Ken. I've never had this happen myself so this is just an idea. You could desolder the BIOS chip and take it to be progrmmed. I think the days of sockets for BIOS chips have long gone. A friendly electronics shop, University, industrial air con company, or even car tuning garage such as Superchips should be able to do this. I bet there's a glluger or two with an eprom burner who've played with this before too. Admittedly it's a bit extreme given the cost of motherboards but it's the geek thing to do! Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From liam.smit at gmail.com Mon Jun 20 17:31:41 2005 From: liam.smit at gmail.com (Liam Smit) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 18:31:41 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Openoffice 2 beta - PDF Font embedding/translation In-Reply-To: <42AD685D.9020801@archonet.com> References: <42AD685D.9020801@archonet.com> Message-ID: <81bc82db05062010312cb95547@mail.gmail.com> Hi Richard Have you tried the open office mailing lists? I've found them to be pretty good when I've used them in the past. Cheers Liam -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Tue Jun 28 11:00:35 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:00:35 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Re: ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:00:16 BST." <20050627200016.GB15794@shapero.com> Message-ID: <200506281100.j5SB0Z5T013695@isengard.accucard.com> Craig Millar writes: >Anyone have any recommendations for measuring these things, both in >and out, and preferably with the ability to graph the data so that I >can work out how much I use during daytime and other times? My ISP keeps a log of how much bandwidth I've used, which is available on my account web page. If your ISP doesn't do that, just keep track the traffic passing through your border router/firewall. Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 11 09:12:25 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:12:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Linux -> windows issues In-Reply-To: <42AAA2EE.5010505@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat 11 Jun, Matthew Cooke wrote: > > Adrian McMenamin wrote: > > >On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 23:25 +0100, Matthew Cooke wrote: > > > > > > > >>The linux boxes and windows boxes are all on the same switch. MDNS is > >>being used for discovery and the linux machines all discover each other. > >>the windows machines neither discover each other OR the the linux > >>machines. The system is peer-to-peer so there is no client/server in the > >>traditional sense. > >> > >> > >>All the machines can ping each other yes. I don't have much experience > >>debugging multicast problems so I don't know if I can test the > >>224.0.0.251 multicasting in windows directly. > >> > >>Matt. > >> > >> > > > > > >How can they ping each other when they don't know they are there? I > >assume the first paragraph means the Window boxes cannot see the > >network. > > > > > > > I'm not being very clear am I! I know which machines are on the network > and their IP addresses so I can manually ping one from another. I'm > trying to use mDNS so they can "auto"discover the other machines this is > so that they the software that runs on them can automatically configure > the machines to work togethor correctly and dynamically handle machines > being added or removed. Traditional networking between all the machines > is fine (they can ping each other, access file shares etc,) The only > problem I have is that Windows XP machines aren't receiving the > zeroconf/rendevous/mdns broadbcast packets/events and I have no idea why > - i've tried messing with IGMP registry entries but according to MSDN, > XP should be IGMP enabled out of the box. (I believe it's IGMP that > allows the machines to handle ndns). > > I thought maybe someone might know some other way to test > zeroconf/rendezvous/mDNS on windows or have got it working. > > Matt. I may be wrong, but AFAIK setting the IP address on each individual machine does not automatically propagate on to the others. Your "traditional" networking is just SMB networking which uses the interface MAC addresses, not TCP/IP. You need to run a DHCP server to allow automatic TCP/IP allocation, or have a real DNS server and then specify the numerical IP address of that server in the TCP/IP configuration of each box. The ideal would be a Linux box running BIND9 as a DNS server, with each individual box given the IP address of the server. -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jun 22 11:32:10 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:32:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] iptables and flaky ssh, ftp, vnc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1119439930.5510.10.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 00:20 +0100, Chris Bell wrote: > If the ADSL modem has an integral switch and is running NAT, could you > simply bridge from that to your local boxes, and not bother with > masquerading? Sure. That's what I do now. The only complication is that to bridge with wireless cards, they need to be able to support 'master' mode, and mine don't. However, proxy-arp does the job. regards, Tom ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Thu Jun 9 14:43:35 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:43:35 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <42A8551D.7080904@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> <42A84DF7.3060804@hoshy.co.uk> <20050609141443.GV19591@fysh.org> <42A8551D.7080904@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050609144335.GT8359@rumble.net> This one time, at band camp, Ashley Evans wrote: > I've no idea how these address came to exist in Outlook anyway. I just tested this in Outlook 2003 with Simon Rumble [simon at rumble.net] and it changed the address to the valid Simon Rumble . Perhaps it was something in older versions of LookOut and that's why it automagically converts them for you? -- Rev Simon Rumble www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Because nerds travel too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ While middle England keeps swinging its loyalty No concern for the future Just with dead royalty So will the Real Great Britain step forward This is the national identity parade Shoe gazer nation forever looking backwards Time to reject the sixties charade - Asian Dub Foundation: Real Great Britain -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Am I the only one wanting a 1M upload speed? -- --- Henrik Morsing henrik at morsing.cc www.morsing.cc --- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 27 21:25:43 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:25:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <76F78DAE-8DDC-4FCE-98D3-C7A94F449BD8@actuality.co.uk> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <1119769762.2465.2.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <76F78DAE-8DDC-4FCE-98D3-C7A94F449BD8@actuality.co.uk> Message-ID: <1119907543.5029.6.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 11:06 +0100, Matthew Thompson wrote: > > Nildram managed to totally f*ck up my service a while back - we were > operating with a routed netblock as we needed some distinct IP > addresses for VPN requirements. They managed to remove the routing > completely when we asked for a totally unrelated change as it appears > that they had two account open for us and closed one without telling > us. Unfortunately it was the one that was setup correctly. It took a > week to get it back to normal and they offered no compensation. We use Nildram and only have problems when they have to talk to BT. For example, when we inquired if increasing the upload speed was possible it somehow got morphed into a 'please ask BT to upgrade our line'. Since the line can't be upgraded anyway, all that happened was that we lost our connection for a few days. They didn't offer compensation, but we damn well got it :) Tom ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 14:40:30 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:40:30 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] He doesn't give up... In-Reply-To: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> References: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> Message-ID: On 6/2/05, John Hearns wrote: > He doesn't give up, does he? Does he actually have a massive anti-linux chip(shop) on his shoulder? Or is he just a bitch? S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From nix at esperi.org.uk Fri Jun 3 16:40:27 2005 From: nix at esperi.org.uk (Nix) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 17:40:27 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] So that's how you do it In-Reply-To: <20050603112243.GA4110@xiao.rsnet> (Russell Howe's message of "Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:22:43 +0100") References: <1117797320.27560.27.camel@mayday.localdomain> <20050603112243.GA4110@xiao.rsnet> Message-ID: <874qcfcs1w.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Russell Howe yowled: > On Fri, Jun 03, 2005 at 12:15:20PM +0100, Adrian McMenamin wrote: >> Just worked out what sendmail -Ac -q does > > I guess something similar to exim -qff? I think so. It flushes the client submission queue, where stuff sent from the local machine gets put until it's offered to the upstream relay. This allows /usr/sbin/sendmail to not need privileges to write to the main mail queue. -- `Once again, I must remark on the far-reaching extent of my ladylike nature.' --- Rosie Taylor -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Thu Jun 16 13:27:30 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:27:30 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Weird referrers Message-ID: <20050616132730.GQ24899@rumble.net> I'm getting very strange referrers in my logs from the Lawn Tennis Association's Eastbourne tournament site and the East Sussex Council. Now the images they're grabbing are from Eastbourne, but the referred pages don't seem to exist. What's going on here? Something leaking through from internal sites or something? 83.151.213.236 - - [16/Jun/2005:14:23:09 +0100] "GET /albums/Eastbourne/p7310352.thumb.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 7246 "http://eastbourne.lta.org.uk/News2004/hc_04news040619finaltrophy.jpg" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.00; Windows XP Service Pack 2)" 83.151.213.236 - - [16/Jun/2005:14:23:09 +0100] "GET /albums/Eastbourne/p7310354.thumb.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 6030 "http://www.eastsussexcc.gov.uk/eastsussexcc/pics/yourcouncil/councillors/ellis-richard.jpg" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.00; Windows XP Service Pack 2)" -- Rev Simon Rumble www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Because geeks travel too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ "It's the good girls who keep the diaries, the bad girls never have the time." - Tallulah Bankhead -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm fairly sure it's not that because the weakest wireless connection is between the linux router and the ADSL router next door. The linux router doesn't have the connection problem, and if I get it to forward the connection, VNC works from my laptop, it's just an extra inconvenience and worse, a mystery that I'm determined to solve... Of course, I'm making an assumption about the connection between my laptop and the linux router, so I'll try your ping test. thanks Tom Weissmann ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adam at thebowery.co.uk Wed Jun 22 22:19:02 2005 From: adam at thebowery.co.uk (Adam Bower) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 23:19:02 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... In-Reply-To: <1119473617.19840.21.camel@Vigor11> References: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> <1119473617.19840.21.camel@Vigor11> Message-ID: <20050622221902.GA3457@thebowery.co.uk> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 09:53:37PM +0100, John Hearns wrote: > What about Debian? Debian really has no major presence in the HPC > clustering market. I know - there is FAI etc. I have heard of plenty of Debian clusters in the past, but all of them have been home grown rather than purchased. I'm guessing that if people are going the route of buying an expensive cluster that they will also want the warm fuzzys of having the OS running on the cluster supported by a vendor with large support contracts, and they see Debian as a relatively (and incorrectly) unsupported system as it doesn't give out the same warm fuzzies as a large vendor does. Adam -- jabberid = quinophex at jabber.earth.li AFFS || http://www.affs.org.uk/ || Not a filesystem -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From joel at fysh.org Fri Jun 10 13:31:26 2005 From: joel at fysh.org (Joel Bernstein) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:31:26 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050610133126.GF19591@fysh.org> On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 02:36:32PM +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > Google returns a myriad of companies. Nonsense. "Results 1 - 10 of about 5,130,000 for data recovery UK. (0.15 seconds)" so clearly *not* myriad ["uncountable"]. OnTrack have a good reputation - www.ontrack.co.uk MJM are apparently good - www.mjm.co.uk /joel -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pdr at createservices.com Sat Jun 4 18:25:43 2005 From: pdr at createservices.com (Pete Ryland) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 19:25:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Re: Installing Flash player on Debian In-Reply-To: <200506040035.47756.pjoanes@hotmail.com> References: <42A0C6D5.5050701@markpreston.co.uk> <200506040035.47756.pjoanes@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <20050604182543.GA863@createservices.com> On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 12:35:47 +0100, Peter Joanes wrote: > On Friday 03 June 2005 22:08, Mark Preston wrote: > > tar -xzvf install_flash_player_7_linux.tar.gz > > cd install_flash_player_7_linux/ > > ./flashplayer-installer > > > > Works for me. > > I would like distributions to work to avoid this. I don't want to run an > installer on my system and hopefully I won't have to because it's easy enough > to integrate most programs (even proprietary) with the native package > management scheme. > I want to be able to find out which package a file belongs to, i.e. in this > case, like this: > # equery b /usr/lib32/nsbrowser/plugins/flashplayer.xpt > [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib32/nsbrowser/plugins/flashplayer.xpt in *... ] > net-www/netscape-flash-7.0.25 > > I think most distributions have some equivalent of this, and alternatively I'd > prefer just a tarball, so I don't feel that "./flashplayer-installer" works > for me. The problem with doing that for non-free software is normally that the author(s) of that software want you to agree to a licence screen before letting you download the software. This is very true in this case, and in fact it would be illegal for a distribution to carry this software as a native package without explicit written permission from Macromedia. What Debian does in this case (and others) is provide a package which gets you to download the tarball (and agree with the licence) separately and place it in /tmp (or other specified location) which the package then installs in a managable way like all the other packages. You shouldn't use non-free software anyway. Use GPL Flash instead: http://gplflash.sourceforge.net/ Yeah, I know it's inferior, but it's apparently moving again after five years of inactivity, with the FSF now even trying to get people interested in joining the effort. Pete -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From Simon.Morris at cmtww.com Tue Jun 14 17:16:50 2005 From: Simon.Morris at cmtww.com (Morris, Simon) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:16:50 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mirroring a local dir to ftp (curl?) Message-ID: -----QUOTE----- > think rsync was going to be possible. > > It would be perfect if it was available. > So presumably mounting it as some sort of share at the end of a symbolic link is also impossible? -----END QUOTE----- I was yearning for some sort of VFS like function where I could mount a directory over ftp and then cp the stuff across. OS X does support this in a way but I don't know if you can script it. I've only seen it done using a GUI. I'll have a look tonight. Thanks for the idea though. ~sm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From gl.lug at ntlworld.com Sat Jun 25 23:18:14 2005 From: gl.lug at ntlworld.com (Pip) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 00:18:14 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <877jgitjie.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> References: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <877jgitjie.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <200506260018.14614.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> On Saturday 25 Jun 2005 18:48 (give or take the odd year), Nix wrote: > Demon's billing, sales, customer service and general customer > communication are beyond poor :( their actual *network* service is > reasonably decent. Absolutely. I've had immense trouble getting anyone there to talk to me since I'm not the person who set up the account (that person having left the company before the person who took over from him, from whom I took over). It took months just to get them to tell us what it was we were paying for. They stated this was for security reasons. I just thought they'd pronounced "stupidity" poorly. We tried to move to Bulldog, but then they decided they didn't want us since our BT broadband service had a phone number run by a different company. Or maybe I was wearing the wrong colour underwear. They both make as much sense. I'm now waiting for Bulldog to install a home line, or to see what their excuse is this month for not doing it. Pip -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pdr at createservices.com Wed Jun 15 14:09:46 2005 From: pdr at createservices.com (Pete Ryland) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:09:46 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Recovering ISOs from a FUBARed HDD In-Reply-To: <20050613170954.GA15948@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> References: <1118679556.2416.5.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <20050613170954.GA15948@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050615140946.GD27975@createservices.com> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 06:09:55PM +0100, John Edwards wrote: > If it's a trusted network then you could use netcat to pull it across. > The current Debian Sarge CD has nc symlinked to busybox. > > On the machine with the files: > nc -l -p 12345 -c "cat file" > > On another machine: > nc machine1 12345 > file > > Netcat on the first machine will quit after finishing the cat and > closing the connection. > > It's not secure or 100% reliable, but can get you out of a jam when > you don't have SSH available. Check md5sum or file sizes afterwards > would be recommended. There's no reason it shouldn't be reliable. BTW, one can also pipe tar or anything to netcat in the same way. Pete -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From munir at 3adl.com Fri Jun 10 16:09:51 2005 From: munir at 3adl.com (Munir Ahmed) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:09:51 -0700 Subject: [Gllug] New hard disk needed - nearby suppliers? In-Reply-To: <20050609211559.GA15607@tinsleyviaduct.com> References: <20050609211559.GA15607@tinsleyviaduct.com> Message-ID: <20050610090841.1228.MUNIR@3adl.com> Come over to the address below this email, and we will sort some thing out for you, since you are a gullug. We are wholesales for the PC parts! and ask for me. ___________________________________________________________________ Munir Ahmad 3A Distribution Ltd Unit 1, Oakwood Business Park, Standard Road, London, NW10 6EX. England. Tel: 44 208 838 5511 Fax: 44 208 838 0171 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From alan at ibgames.com Mon Jun 13 16:04:21 2005 From: alan at ibgames.com (alan at ibgames.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:04:21 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [YA-OT] PA-RISC D-Class 9000 In-Reply-To: <42AD909A.3070105@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <42ADBC95.1145.3E4172B@localhost> On 13 Jun 2005 at 14:56, Ashley Evans wrote: Date sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:56:42 +0100 From: Ashley Evans To: Greater London Linux User Group Subject: [Gllug] [YA-OT] PA-RISC D-Class 9000 Send reply to: Greater London Linux User Group > Hi, > > I'm at a client who's suffered at power failure and it looks like this > box hasn't come up correctly. Normally I'd walk away from this in a > client environment but the boss (client) has asked me to "at least give > it a go" after the usual warnings. Some of the client machine have a > telnet to what I think is the machine ip. The machine is up however the > front panel shows "warn". > > It seems to be stuck in some kind of text editor. Anybody know how exit > common editors, does this thing have VTs? I think I could figure out at > least how to check the network and reboot and look at logs if I could > make it to a terminal. > > Any tid bits would be welcome. > > Thanks. > Ashley > > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug Hell, I used to run into this problem with their stupid keyboard as well. There is some wierd key combo that unlocks the keyboard so you can use it. The problem is that I haven't had to fix it for several years and I can't remember what the combo is. You might be able to get some info by googling for something like 'hp 9000 keyboard', or possibly asking on an HP Server mailing list. I'm sorry I can't be more helpful, but I hope this info is of some use. alan -- http://www.ibgames.net/alan Registered Linux user #6822 http://counter.li.org Winding Down - Weekly Tech Newsletter - subscribe at http://www.ibgames.net/alan/winding/mailing.html -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From bealers at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 18:02:34 2005 From: bealers at gmail.com (Darren Beale) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:02:34 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: <580806e9050625110230c319cb@mail.gmail.com> On 6/25/05, Joel Bernstein wrote: > On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 10:24:30AM +0100, Liam Smit wrote: > > Hi > > > > Bulldog tends to push the envolope. I know they have been offering 4mb > > ADSL connections for a long time. They are now offering 8mb > > connections. They also offer SDSL. I know a few people who work there. > > You've got to be kidding. I am currently a Bulldog LLU victim [customer > is the wrong word] and I've never seen or heard of /any/ other company > with such incredibly shit service or staff. What he said. We got a - thankfully, only backup - Bulldog line 6 months ago. Every time we had to call to fix everything that they broke, we got through to the dept of not giving a fuck. Tech support knew less than my Mum about networking. I've been a happy Zen customer for 3+ years now but I think it's time to switch as even though their support is great (not that I've ever needed much) they are too expensive I think. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jun 18 21:41:02 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:41:02 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] proxy-arp and a vpn In-Reply-To: <1119121114.3856.13.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1119041813.12652.22.camel@localhost> <42B33A39.6040807@hinterlands.org> <1119054440.12652.76.camel@localhost> <1119121114.3856.13.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <1119130862.5262.10.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2005-06-18 at 19:58 +0100, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > On Sat, 2005-06-18 at 01:27 +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > > Both have the same ip address, > > > Why? Does that even work? Why not just have them on different networks > and enable forwarding? > > Seems to me that would be simpler Well, you can't just enable forwarding, you have to use iptables to do NAT as well. In fact, proxy-arp ended up being simpler in many ways (eg, keystrokes :) The other reason is that originally I did use forwarding, but certain types of connection just didn't work reliably, ssh and vnc especially. And so this whole saga began. regards, TW ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ian at house-from-hell.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 7 18:32:27 2005 From: ian at house-from-hell.demon.co.uk (Ian Northeast) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:32:27 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> <47616.195.190.132.207.1118126735.squirrel@webmail.morsing.org> <42A56C1A.8030807@uncertainty.org.uk> <1118137633.30927.5.camel@blackbox.shiplake.org.uk> Message-ID: <42A5E83B.7000906@house-from-hell.demon.co.uk> John Winters wrote: > On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 10:42 +0100, Sean Burlington wrote: > [snip] > >>I've got a mail server that was set to run on testing as stable didn't >>have the software I wanted - but now I want to switch to stable. >> >>Do I just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change testing to stable? > > > For certainty just now, I'd change "testing" to "sarge". That way you > don't risk downgrading if you use an out-of-date mirror. Conversely, on a system still running Woody, would I be advised to change "stable" to "woody" until I upgrade it? Regards, Ian -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From edos at hurlehouse.eclipse.co.uk Tue Jun 28 18:34:24 2005 From: edos at hurlehouse.eclipse.co.uk (David Bell) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:34:24 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced In-Reply-To: <200506281917.35220.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <200506281917.35220.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <200506281934.24629.edos@hurlehouse.eclipse.co.uk> On Tuesday 28 June 2005 19:17, Christopher Hunter wrote: > > This whole Identity Card, Visa and Passport nonsense simply won't ever > work. Just supposing it did. President Blair could then declare the internet as a security threat to the "homeland" and only allow licenced users to connect. The scope for Blair's gang of control freaks is enormous. "Excuse me sir, do you have a licence for that laptop/mobile 'phone etc?" > > It's funny how much "friendship" you can buy in political circles. Especially when using the UK taxpayer to provide the wherewithal. -- W.Devon ---------------- A GNU/Linux user -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From Kens at kensnet.org Wed Jun 29 17:39:43 2005 From: Kens at kensnet.org (Ken Smith) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:39:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] PDA GPRS Internet Connectivity References: <200506291321.j5TDLqKo001133@isengard.accucard.com> <42C2AC55.6070309@tpg.com.au><87mzp919mo.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <42C2BDC2.8090300@tpg.com.au> Message-ID: <007901c57cd1$8a3279a0$150010ac@kensnet> Hi Folks, Do we have any mobile internet experts here? I'm trying to use a Palm M515 with bluetooth adaptor and a Nokia 6230 mobile phone to get an internet connection via Voda GPRS. I assume this is possible ;-( I don't really understand the concepts here. But from the settings on the Palm it appears that it is trying to make some kind of PPP connection via the bluetooth. Is the PPP connection to the phone or all the way over the GPRS to Voda? Anyway does any one here have the necessary incantations to put in the Palm and the Mobile to get this working. Thanks Ken -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.7/34 - Release Date: 29/06/05 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jun 28 08:11:17 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:11:17 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] network paramedic wanted Message-ID: <1119946277.5295.3.camel@localhost> Hi, I know of some people in Clerkenwell who need someone with a clue to sort out their router, which went mad (*) yesterday. If anyone is interested in helping for cash and gratitude, please reply off-list. cheers, Tom (*) limit of said people's technical terminology, quite accurate from what I can gather. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From liam.smit at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 09:24:30 2005 From: liam.smit at gmail.com (Liam Smit) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:24:30 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> Message-ID: <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bulldog tends to push the envolope. I know they have been offering 4mb ADSL connections for a long time. They are now offering 8mb connections. They also offer SDSL. I know a few people who work there. cheers Liam On 09/06/05, Jason Clifford wrote: > On Thu, 9 Jun 2005, Henrik Morsing wrote: > > > > Freedom 2 Surf will soon be offering up to 832Kb/s upload (and 8Mb/s down) > > > > > > http://www.f2s.net/adsl/8mbit.php > > > > Sounds good. I'll ask Jason to do the same ;-) > > 8Mb services are not yet available through our wholesale suppliers. I > don't foresee them being available via that route any time soon so I have > identified another supplier who may be better suited to that requirement > although it's not going to be available in the short term. > -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Sun Jun 12 19:09:35 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 20:09:35 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki Message-ID: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> Thinking in terms of users ease of use and installers' programmatic power which is the best IYNSHO? I have installed php-wiki a few times now, but really like the look of this (Phython-based) one: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ (as used here for a nicer front end: http://www.linux-sh.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi). -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I noticed on their real site which you get taken to after they try to steal your money it has a big banner about fraudulent mails so I guess they're on it. I'll forward it to them anyway. Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Thu Jun 16 17:30:45 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:30:45 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Find non-7-bit characters in files In-Reply-To: <20050616170244.GA13235@furbychan.cocan.org> (Richard Jones's message of "Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:02:44 +0100") References: <20050616170244.GA13235@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: Richard Jones writes: > Here's a small Thursday afternoon puzzler for everyone. > > I hae a large number of files (HTML files in fact, not that it > matters). A clueless^Wevil web monkey^Wdesigner has hidden bytes in > them that are in the range 0x80 - 0xff, so the files aren't valid > UTF-8. > > I want to find those characters. Preferably quickly from the command > line. grep -E [`echo -ne "\200"`-`echo -ne "\377"`] * cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Thu Jun 9 13:07:04 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:07:04 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Square brackets [OT] In-Reply-To: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> References: <42A83E41.90906@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050609130704.GP8359@rumble.net> This one time, at band camp, Ashley Evans wrote: > some people are having their outgoing messages blocked by addresses with > square brackets, I'm familiar with using <> in email addresses but not []. Erm, what's the question? -- Rev Simon Rumble www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Geeks need vacations too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ HTML's a cheap whore. Treating her with respect is possible, and even preferable, because once upon a time she was a beautiful and virginal format, but you shouldn't expect too much of her at this point." - Mark "Kamikaze" Hughes -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Tue Jun 7 12:23:47 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:23:47 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A591D3.4020501@hinterlands.org> Jason Clifford wrote: > the message is more likely to come from the version of clamav being used. > Freshclam will raise warnings about the version of the software if it is > not at a level sufficient to catch all of the viruses/worms that are > specified in the data update. You can fix this in the short term by using the clam maintainer's packages. Add this to your sources list: deb http://people.debian.org/~sgran/debian sarge main -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Thu Jun 2 12:17:28 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 13:17:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <200506021147.49156.mimo@gn.apc.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Moritz wrote: > This is a misunderstanding. The receiving SMTP server (the one that does the > greylisting) reads the MAIL FROM, RCPT TO, and client address, then checks > the greylisting database and issues a 450. This is before the DATA section of > the SMTP session. You are trusting that all other MTAs and MUAs do the "right thing". Experience shows that this sometimes is not the case. Jason -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From liam.smit at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 17:56:37 2005 From: liam.smit at gmail.com (Liam Smit) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 18:56:37 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Fwd: Coaxsys Response In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81bc82db05061410566c8ddb5f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Anyone else get this? I believe it may answer someone's question, unless I'm thinking of the Bristol and Bath Lug. cheers Liam ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ted Archer Date: 14-Jun-2005 18:51 Subject: Coaxsys Response To: liam.smit at gmail.com Liam, On random chance while Googling, I noticed a posting that you made regarding Coaxsys Ethernet-over-Coax products and the fact that you never received a response when you contacted our company. I would like to apologize for this and answer the question that you posted regarding your desire to run up to 100Mbps over coaxial cable. Coaxsys currently has two adapter products for sale that allow Ethernet-over-Coax distribution: the IPTV 7000 and the TVnet/AC. BOTH products are specifically designed to use the entire spectrum of the coax, which means that you cannot use the adapters both for IP networking and traditional cable/satellite television. For this reason, these products have been deployed predominately by telecommunications companies that are delivering voice, video (IPTV), and data all themselves. If you are looking for an IP network without a need to maintain compatibility with cable/satellite, the IPTV 7000 will deliver a minimum sustained throughput of 70 Mbps (optimal network performance of 104Mbps). The product works exceptionally well, but it is not designed to be compatible with all things. The TVnet/AC has the same technology but is specifically designed for IPTV delivery with a certain company's IP set-top box. If you do require compatibility with CATV or DBS, you will need to wait for general availability of our TVnet/C and TVnet/S adapters, which have been announced by are not yet available for purchase. Because we sell to operators (telephone companies, cable operators, and satellite providers), we do not have retail or consumer-based channels currently open. We will soon begin to sell our products through some VAR channels, but currently the only way for individuals or companies to purchase small quantities is to purchase through our distributor, Power & Telephone Supply Company. And, they only have the whole-spectrum IPTV 7000 available for purchase currently. I apologize again that you never received a response from our company. I hope that this helps to answer some of your questions. As a small company with a specific market strategy, we do not currently have the resources to enter every channel in every market, but I would be pleased to answer any more questions that you might have. Might I ask a favor of you? How did you attempt to contact Coaxsys (which email/phone/etc.)? I would like to make sure that, in the future, we better respond to people's inquiries. Sincerely, Ted Archer Director of Marketing Coaxsys, Inc. 408.317.6300 408.317.6301 FAX ta at coaxsys.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Mon Jun 27 06:25:05 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:25:05 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <42BF397C.6050100@bullet3.fsnet.co.uk> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> <81bc82db050626031520f526b4@mail.gmail.com> <1119782421.2465.8.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <17086.43662.7377.557534@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> <42BF397C.6050100@bullet3.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050627062505.GA23379@xiao.rsnet> On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 12:25:48AM +0100, Robert Newson wrote: > I don't remember that far back, but I do remember it being illegal (still?) > to plug a non BT Approved phone/modem into the BT system - ie if the device > had a Green Triangle it was approved and could be connected to the BT > network; if it had a Red Circle it was not approved and so couldn't be > connected. IIRC it's a red triangle and a green circle. Also, I think it's BABT approval you need, not BT per se. > (I never understood the point of that as unapproved devices > couldn't be connected directly, or indirectly - was there a way to use them > outside the BT system?) Run your own PBX? -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From doug at pigeonhold.com Sun Jun 12 21:12:43 2005 From: doug at pigeonhold.com (Doug Winter) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 22:12:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Which is the best Wiki In-Reply-To: References: <1118603375.3990.4.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <42ACA54B.2010601@pigeonhold.com> Steve Nelson wrote: > I really like twiki - easy to install, fast and slimline. Moinmoin > seems featureful, but there's currently a bug in the debian package, > so I've not tried the recent versions. The older versions had a > terrible default stylesheet, and were so ugly and clunky that I > actually disliked using them. OK, I'll bite. I'm running the debian package of moin, and I've not found any showstoppers. What's the bug? Oh, and it does now come with an alternative stylesheet that is stacks better (and writing your own isn't hard). Cheers, Doug. -- 6973E2CF: 2C95 66AD 1596 37D2 41FC 609F 76C0 A4EC 6973 E2CF http://adju.st/ -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Thu Jun 30 16:57:19 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 17:57:19 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] GND In-Reply-To: <17092.8213.16430.404148@chiark.greenend.org.uk> References: <17092.7660.590655.863636@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <42C41F3E.7020905@hinterlands.org> <17092.8213.16430.404148@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: <42C4246F.8070103@hinterlands.org> David Damerell wrote: > gnd.co.uk TXT "On Hold" > > Forgot to pay a bill, maybe? I just looked at the .com data. Same SOA I presume. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From matt.thompson at actuality.co.uk Wed Jun 1 19:35:11 2005 From: matt.thompson at actuality.co.uk (Matthew Thompson) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:35:11 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Satellite net access In-Reply-To: <200506011441.j51EfRWk022953@isengard.accucard.com> References: <200506011441.j51EfRWk022953@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: On 1 Jun 2005, at 15:41, Tethys wrote: > Does anyone have experience of satellite net access in the UK? Having > spent the week in the wilds of Santa Pod, there are no fixed phone > lines, and mobile coverage is patchy at best, so net access was > tricky. Inmarsat is your friend for this - although not cheap. R-BGAN (Regional Broadband Global Area Network) is the service you're most likely to want - it's 144kbps, same as full ISDN. Have a look at www.inmarsat.com M at t :o) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From addw at phcomp.co.uk Fri Jun 3 10:21:46 2005 From: addw at phcomp.co.uk (Alain Williams) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:21:46 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] o2, web, site, .... Message-ID: <20050603102146.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> I hope that I am not going to regret this ..... Having got a new mobile 'phone & moved away from vodafone (largely due to their administrative incompetence & their deliberatly making it difficult for me to easily work out what the best tarrif should be) I plumped for o2. I tried their web site (o2.co.uk) -- it tells me that I need to update my browser, (I tried the latest mozilla & firefox). I 'phone customer services who ask me to email: my-care at o2.co.uk - this bounced, they confirm that it is correct. postmaster at o2.co.uk also bounces -- both 'User unknown'. Customer services claim to have reported it, but act in a way that says that they are completely disinterested. Does anyone have an email address that works ? -- Alain Williams Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Linux Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 #include -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can even use the "font translation" dialogue to "replace" my chosen fonts with Times/Helvetica. But - I need to remember to go in and turn the font replacement on just before export and off again after (otherwise my on-screen display looks awful). I can't be the only one with this problem, but googling has got me nowhere. I'd write a macro, but can't find the event to trap nor any way of flipping the font-replacement on/off. Anyone else working round this? -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Tue Jun 28 22:28:59 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:28:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Bio visa applications may be outsourced In-Reply-To: <1119997352.2940.4.camel@melkor.zygous.co.uk> (Richard Turner's message of "Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:22:32 +0100") References: <200506281917.35220.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> <87wtoe2mcv.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <1119997352.2940.4.camel@melkor.zygous.co.uk> Message-ID: Richard Turner writes: > On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 23:15 +0100, Matthew Thompson wrote: >> Sorry but the BBC Micro was quite a success and that was in part due >> to a government IT initiative. > > This is true, but didn't that scheme offer educational institutes a > choice between the BBC Micro and the RM Nimbus? > > Given that the uptake of the Nimbus was also quite large, and eventually > outstripped the Acorn and is still being bought, I'd say that's only a > partial success at best! Didn't RM teach M$ a lot about customer lockin? I seem to recall some interesting stuff from the day about the many ways RM fileservers were subtly incompatible with others, horror stories about RM sales tactics, and so on. (And if the Nimbus is still being bought, that's one impressive piece of lockin. I never saw a Nimbus run for a whole day...) cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From richard_c at tpg.com.au Wed Jun 29 08:52:36 2005 From: richard_c at tpg.com.au (Richard) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:52:36 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] tree spanning algorithms/libraries Message-ID: <42C26154.4010100@tpg.com.au> I've been talking to a friend of mine about buillding a social networks type of web site. I'd like to implement a system for building arbitrary, instantly updated networks of Alice knows Bob, knows Claire; therefore Alice knows Claire by a common friend. The social networking sites (friendsreunited, LinkedIn, etc) seem to have found a solution to this problem, so I guess I can too. This is basically a variety of travelling salesman problem, and hard computer science has never been my strong point. Does anyone know of a good source for tools for solving this sort of problem, and implementations of algorithms to make it easier on fools like myself. Cobbling solutions together out of other peoples tools is my strong point ;-) Richard -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Sat Jun 18 09:37:02 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:37:02 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] proxy-arp and a vpn In-Reply-To: <1119054440.12652.76.camel@localhost> References: <1119041813.12652.22.camel@localhost> <42B33A39.6040807@hinterlands.org> <1119054440.12652.76.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <42B3EB3E.8000204@hinterlands.org> Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > tom at expensive:~$ ssh root at 192.168.254.20 > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host The fact you get this message at all means that you did manage to connect to the host in question. This error usually means one of two things: . The server's hosts.allow or hosts.deny settings disallow the connection. . You're using incompatible versions or configurations of ssh. i.e. ssh client only speaking protocol 1 to a server that will only speak protocol 2. Mart. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk Mon Jun 13 17:09:55 2005 From: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk (John Edwards) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:09:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Recovering ISOs from a FUBARed HDD In-Reply-To: <1118679556.2416.5.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> References: <1118679556.2416.5.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> Message-ID: <20050613170954.GA15948@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 05:19:15PM +0100, John Winters wrote: > Dear all, > > I had an interesting problem. The HDD failed in my school workstation, > producing so many read errors that the system could no longer boot > successfully. > > I've ordered a new HDD (due tomorrow) and I have to hand some 8 day old > Mondo backup CDs, but... I knew that on the system there were some more > up to date ISOs produced by Mondo at the weekend, so I set out to see > whether I could read them off the disc. Only one problem - the files > were on an LVM disc chunk. > > I booted with Knoppix, which was fine and I could read the disc and talk > to the network, but it seems Knoppix doesn't understand LVM. > > Then I booted with the Sarge installation CD. That gave me a system > which would talk to the network *and* understood LVM, so I could see the > files I wanted to retrieve. Unfortunately, the Sarge installation CD > doesn't seem to carry any network tools capable of shoving files over > the network. > > In the end I managed to get the files by connecting a large USB HDD and > copying them off whilst booted from the Sarge installation CD. > > Now my question - is there any way I could have done it if I hadn't had > the USB device to hand? Any way of getting those files over the network > using either Knoppix or the Sarge installation CD? If it's a trusted network then you could use netcat to pull it across. The current Debian Sarge CD has nc symlinked to busybox. On the machine with the files: nc -l -p 12345 -c "cat file" On another machine: nc machine1 12345 > file Netcat on the first machine will quit after finishing the cat and closing the connection. It's not secure or 100% reliable, but can get you out of a jam when you don't have SSH available. Check md5sum or file sizes afterwards would be recommended. -- #---------------------------------------------------------# | John Edwards Email: john at cornerstonelinux.co.uk | #---------------------------------------------------------# -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 20 15:15:16 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:15:16 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Portforwarding failure - iptables question Message-ID: <1119280516.16740.8.camel@mayday.localdomain> This is a fragment from /etc/sysconfig/iptables: *nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.62.0/255.255.255.0 -j MASQUERADE -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.63.0/255.255.255.0 -j MASQUERADE #setup bittorrent -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 62000 -i eth1 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.63.22:62000 #setup DELL box as webserver -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -i eth1 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.63.32:80 COMMIT It gives this output: [root at electra sysconfig]# iptables-restore -v ./iptables Flushing chain `PREROUTING' Flushing chain `POSTROUTING' Flushing chain `OUTPUT' #setup bittorrent #setup DELL box as webserver iptables-restore v1.2.6a: Unknown arg `--dport' Try `iptables-restore -h' or 'iptables-restore --help' for more information. (NB: Because of the way I set this box up - it was just being used internally as an AP and then I added the external interface eth1 is the outside world if) However, if I remove one of the portforwarding lines (doesn't matter which one) it works. This is quite an old version of iptables - the box is running RH 7.3 with a custom built kernel: [root at electra sysconfig]# iptables -V iptables v1.2.6a Is it broken iptables or have I got something wrong? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 10 22:33:11 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:33:11 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Linux -> windows issues In-Reply-To: <42AA136D.9040603@hotmail.com> References: <1118419932.23121.31.camel@mayday.localdomain> <42AA136D.9040603@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <1118442791.23121.36.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 23:25 +0100, Matthew Cooke wrote: > The linux boxes and windows boxes are all on the same switch. MDNS is > being used for discovery and the linux machines all discover each other. > the windows machines neither discover each other OR the the linux > machines. The system is peer-to-peer so there is no client/server in the > traditional sense. > > All the machines can ping each other yes. I don't have much experience > debugging multicast problems so I don't know if I can test the > 224.0.0.251 multicasting in windows directly. > > Matt. How can they ping each other when they don't know they are there? I assume the first paragraph means the Window boxes cannot see the network. -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 00:01:16 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 01:01:16 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [Slightly OT] Open Raw Message-ID: Hello Chums, Following on from the call to activism about Patents, this is well worth a look: http://www.openraw.org/actnow/#therawflaw Probably worth getting behind this one too! S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sanelson at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 12:33:16 2005 From: sanelson at gmail.com (Steve Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:33:16 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Graduates paying for IT training before employment In-Reply-To: <20050601065457.GJ13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> References: <2899.82.32.42.43.1117573230.squirrel@webmail.pasty.org.uk> <20050601065457.GJ13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Message-ID: On 6/1/05, Alain Williams wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:00:30PM -0000, Andrew McGregor wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I realise this thread is the best part of two years old - but does anyone > > remember the outcome? I am meeting with ICS tomorrow. > > Thanks, > > > > Andy > > > > > > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/pipermail/gllug/2003-August/038041.html > > Something else that I remember a few years ago were companies that put employees > through training courses as part of their employment, but then demanded that > the employee repay the cost of any training if they left within 3 years. > This meant that to leave the company someone had to pay several thousands for > courses - some of which they never wanted to go on in the first place. > > Does this sort of thing still happen ? Dunno. We do a lot of training. Until recently this was all paid for up-front by the company. The accountants have spotted this, and now require employees to pay for their training and then expense it. The idea, presumably, being that people will either not bother at all, or forget to claim. I think its also designed to ensure a higher 'pass' rate - if the employee has to pay for the exam themselves, they'd better be sure they'll pass first time. I'm not especially happy about it.... some things (eg Oracle exams) are -very- expensive. > Alain Williams S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Mon Jun 6 22:01:08 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 23:01:08 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming Message-ID: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> Debian 3.1 is released. http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From steve at fractalus.com Mon Jun 27 16:21:38 2005 From: steve at fractalus.com (SteveC) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:21:38 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] (forw) [steve@fractalus.com: mod_ruby weirdness] Message-ID: <20050627162137.GE13097@fractalus.com> modruby list seems dead, so I'm hoping someone here on gllug has a clue about this weird apache issue? ----- Forwarded message from SteveC ----- Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:44:05 +0100 To: modruby ML User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i Reply-To: modruby at modruby.net From: SteveC Subject: mod_ruby weirdness Hi, I have a strange problem with apache and mod_ruby. I'm running an up to date debian/testing box with apache2 and mod_ruby. I have a little script which reports the mysql client version, connects to a database and reports its version. When I run this script on the command line it uses mysql 4.1.x and connects fine. When I run it through apache it says 4.0.x and fails to connect (version too old). Weird huh? So I have two copies of libmysql client libmysqlclient12 and libmysqlclient14 (debian packages). The former is needed by php4-mysql and other things and connects to mysql 4.0.x. The latter is what I compiled the ruby mysql connector against to connect to mysql 4.1.x as the mysql ruby connector with debian is compiled against the old version (12). We can see this with ldd that its only linked against the newer version: # ldd /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/1.8/i386-linux/mysql.so libruby1.8.so.1.8 => /usr/lib/libruby1.8.so.1.8 (0x40018000) libmysqlclient.so.14 => /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.14 (0x400e0000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 (0x401e8000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/libdl.so.2 (0x401f7000) libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/tls/libcrypt.so.1 (0x401fa000) libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/libm.so.6 (0x40227000) libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0x40249000) libnsl.so.1 => /lib/tls/libnsl.so.1 (0x4037f000) libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x40393000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x80000000) my script looks like this (replacing sensitive things with 'blah'): #!/usr/bin/ruby require "xmlrpc/client" require "mysql" MYSQL_SERVER = "blah" MYSQL_USER = "blah" MYSQL_PASS = "blah" MYSQL_DATABASE = "blah" begin puts Mysql.client_info() #connect to the MySQL server dbh = Mysql.real_connect(MYSQL_SERVER, MYSQL_USER, MYSQL_PASS, MYSQL_DATABASE) # get server version string and display it puts "Server version: " + dbh.get_server_info rescue MysqlError => e print "Error code: ", e.errno, "\n" print "Error message: ", e.error, "\n" ensure # disconnect from server dbh.close if dbh end when I run from the command line I get 4.1.11 Server version: 4.1.11-Debian_4-log When run from apache I get 4.0.24 Error code: 1251 Error message: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client But strangely, apache has BOTH versions open # lsof | grep mysqlclient apache2 11137 root mem REG 8,1 243592 163524 /lib/libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0 apache2 11139 www-data mem REG 8,1 243592 163524 /lib/libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0 apache2 11139 www-data mem REG 8,1 1066312 2289645 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.14.0.0 apache2 11140 www-data mem REG 8,1 243592 163524 /lib/libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0 apache2 11142 www-data mem REG 8,1 243592 163524 /lib/libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0 apache2 11371 www-data mem REG 8,1 243592 163524 /lib/libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0 apache2 11616 www-data mem REG 8,1 243592 163524 /lib/libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0 apache2 11668 www-data mem REG 8,1 243592 163524 /lib/libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0 apache2 11669 www-data mem REG 8,1 243592 163524 /lib/libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0 apache2 11785 www-data mem REG 8,1 243592 163524 /lib/libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0 apache2 11894 www-data mem REG 8,1 243592 163524 /lib/libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0 apache2 11900 www-data mem REG 8,1 243592 163524 /lib/libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0 here's what the libs look like: # ls -l /usr/lib/*mysql* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1219050 May 23 00:22 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 859 May 23 00:22 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.la lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 20 Jun 27 12:55 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so -> libmysqlclient.so.14 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1066312 Jun 27 15:00 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.12.0.0 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 24 Jun 21 09:45 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.14 -> libmysqlclient.so.14.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1066312 May 23 00:22 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.14.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1228096 May 23 00:22 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 893 May 23 00:22 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.la lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22 Jun 27 12:55 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.so -> libmysqlclient_r.so.14 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26 Jun 21 09:45 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.so.12 -> libmysqlclient_r.so.12.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 251880 May 18 08:07 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.so.12.0.0 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26 Jun 21 09:45 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.so.14 -> libmysqlclient_r.so.14.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1073512 May 23 00:22 /usr/lib/libmysqlclient_r.so.14.0.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8844326 May 23 00:22 /usr/lib/libmysqld.a I would really like apache or mod_ruby or whatever to select the correct damn libmysqlclient. How can I do this? TIA! have fun, SteveC steve at fractalus.com http://www.fractalus.com/steve/ ----- End forwarded message ----- have fun, SteveC steve at fractalus.com http://www.fractalus.com/steve/ -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From addw at phcomp.co.uk Wed Jun 1 06:54:57 2005 From: addw at phcomp.co.uk (Alain Williams) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:54:57 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Graduates paying for IT training before employment In-Reply-To: <2899.82.32.42.43.1117573230.squirrel@webmail.pasty.org.uk> References: <2899.82.32.42.43.1117573230.squirrel@webmail.pasty.org.uk> Message-ID: <20050601065457.GJ13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 09:00:30PM -0000, Andrew McGregor wrote: > Hi, > > I realise this thread is the best part of two years old - but does anyone > remember the outcome? I am meeting with ICS tomorrow. > Thanks, > > Andy > > > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/pipermail/gllug/2003-August/038041.html Something else that I remember a few years ago were companies that put employees through training courses as part of their employment, but then demanded that the employee repay the cost of any training if they left within 3 years. This meant that to leave the company someone had to pay several thousands for courses - some of which they never wanted to go on in the first place. Does this sort of thing still happen ? -- Alain Williams Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Linux Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 #include -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ta very much. -- Richard Huxton Archonet Ltd -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From steve at pauken.co.uk Wed Jun 15 18:52:00 2005 From: steve at pauken.co.uk (Stephen Harker) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:52:00 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] BBC R3 offers first 5 Beethoven symphonies for download In-Reply-To: <1118661038.7008.30.camel@localhost> References: <20050613100518.GA22355@furbychan.cocan.org> <42AD65FC.7070207@uk.clara.net> <1118661038.7008.30.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20050615185159.GA2168@mail.codex.net> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 12:10:38PM +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 11:54 +0100, Anthony Newman wrote: > > Richard Jones wrote: > > > As (128 kbps) mp3s, no less: > > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/beethoven/downloads.shtml > > > > > > Rich. > > > > > > > They're not bad at all, apart from the bloke yakking about it at the > > beginning. > > People do yakk an incredible amount of cr8p about music. From now on I'm > going to stick to "not bad", "not good", "not good at all", "not bad at > all". As in, "Rachmaninov? ah hmn nbaa, you know? Mostly." Well, you can say the same about a lot of things. A bit of background can enhance your appreciation of a piece of music. I do find the waffling on Radio 3 a bit much sometimes. However, they are vastly better than the self-satisfying smug bastards that ramble on on Classic FM. I gave up on that station in the end. Beethoven et al didn't spend their lives writing music with all the sacrifice involved so that people could "relax", "unwind" and "drift away leaving their cares behind" !!! Grrr! Steve -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Wed Jun 8 05:38:32 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 06:38:32 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> Message-ID: <1118209120.9956.64.camel@Vigor12> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 13:51 +0100, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > Prices for flash memory seem to be coming down every week or two. I > notice Scan has a 4 gig CF for 160 quid. Insane! So I'm thinking, how > long until we see flash-only laptops? Imagine the battery life! > I remember seeing a flash-only Compaq Aero on sale in TCR a couple of years ago. It wasn't a great success. Nokia have brought out something along those lines. http://lwn.net/Articles/136576/ Running Linux of course. There was a bit of a flap over the licensing though. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Jun 1 19:38:55 2005 From: chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk (Christopher Hunter) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:38:55 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] phone memory stick In-Reply-To: <20050601070953.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> References: <20050531073121.GC13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <200505312023.37887.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> <20050601070953.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Message-ID: <200506012038.55173.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> On Wednesday 01 Jun 2005 08:09, Alain Williams wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 08:23:37PM +0100, Christopher Hunter wrote: > > On Tuesday 31 May 2005 09:44, Alain Williams wrote: > > > I left the shop after telling the manager that I was not going to buy > > > there since his salesmen lied. Phones-4-u I think it was. > > > > You shouldn't be so hard on clueless sales-droids! They will tell you > > ANYTHING to make a sale, as their weekly pay is directly proportional to > > their personal turnover. > > That is exactly WHY we should be hard on these people. Lying to get a sale > is theft. Why should we tolerate it ? It isn't OK just because it happens a > lot - think car, insurance, pension, ... salesmen. > > Another way of putting it is that is that it is a con trick. > > Maybe the moron did not know the answer - but he knew that he did not know > and should have said so. There is no excuse. > > Sorry: dishonesty/lies is something that I really hate. I understand your point of view, but it's really a case of caveat emptor. Anyone purchasing anything (particularly of a technical nature) should have done their homework first, so the specious bluster of a salesperson can be completely ignored. All you need to know is: "How much does it cost from this shop?" and (assuming you want to buy): "Is there a new, boxed one in the storeroom?". Chris -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Mon Jun 27 13:13:05 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:13:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <200506271239.32997.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, Caparo wrote: > You mean to say that the service is SO BAD that tech support live in fear of > their lives, is there a new crime surfing rage now? Go to google and search on Ian Keith Gomeche. He is worse than what's written about him. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ 2Mb ADSL Broadband from just ?14.98 / month -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dani at enplater.com Tue Jun 14 09:01:24 2005 From: dani at enplater.com (Dani Pardo) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 11:01:24 +0200 Subject: [Gllug] Debian 3.1 ISO images Message-ID: <42AE9CE4.2030905@enplater.com> Hi, in the Debian 3.1 isos, is there any index to know wich packages can be found in each iso CD image? Thanks in advance, -- Dani Pardo, dani at enplater.com Enplater S.A -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 9 17:37:40 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 18:37:40 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Dell Poweredge 4200 In-Reply-To: <1118313037.3902.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <1118313037.3902.7.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <1118338660.3902.56.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 11:30 +0100, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > I yielded to the hands on imperative and bought one of these things for > ?40 on ebay and even drove all the way to Gloucester to collect it. For information, a low level format solved the problem. Bit puzzled as to why the stuff that was clearly on the MBR and wouldn't let me boot was not reported in the first place...but once it got wiped there was no problem (except that I cannot get X to work...but that's another story) -- Adrian McMenamin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 196 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Tue Jun 7 15:00:00 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:00:00 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <871x7e6y9e.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> <871x7e6y9e.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> Message-ID: <42A5B670.8090001@hinterlands.org> Nix wrote: > In other news, Hell[1] wins bid for 2006 Winter Olympics. http://photos.hinterlands.org/p2795528.html The sign on the next building along says "God's Expedition" -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mimo at gn.apc.org Thu Jun 2 10:47:48 2005 From: mimo at gn.apc.org (Michael Moritz) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:47:48 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200506021147.49156.mimo@gn.apc.org> On Thursday 02 June 2005 10:59, Jason Clifford wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Michael Moritz wrote: > > Yes, the optional is very important. I would estimate around 1% of our > > users actually optet out of greylisting. Also, it's important to warn > > people before you put it in place and collect greylisting data without > > any actual greylisting taking place for a while. > > When you state "opt out" do you mean that it is implemented by default and > it is up to the end user to turn it of? If so that would seem a poor > policy approach to me. The approach is to tell users that it's on by default and that you can switch it off if needed. It's not a poor policy to me, because users feel inundated with spam in general. And the downsides are in real life mostly unnoticeable. You have your whitelists for non-RFC servers in place, others do usually resend in reasonable intervals. And one thing not do forget is that only the first email you ever exchange with someone is delayed. After this one there is no delay anymore. Even this is minimised by the gathering of data before you put greylisting in place. > > > The other pointis that ISPs couldnt afford to literally do nothing about > > spam. The cost would be to high, not talking about the level of user > > complaints. > > The cost still hits the ISP even with filtering as the bandwidth has > already been used. Instead of cheap disk space to store the spam until > it's downloaded by the ISP the ISP that filters implemented expensive > servers to do the filtering. This is a misunderstanding. The receiving SMTP server (the one that does the greylisting) reads the MAIL FROM, RCPT TO, and client address, then checks the greylisting database and issues a 450. This is before the DATA section of the SMTP session. mimo -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dwilson at unixdaemon.net Wed Jun 8 11:52:56 2005 From: dwilson at unixdaemon.net (Dean Wilson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:52:56 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: References: <20050608113846.GD9700@phaistos.bruce> Message-ID: <20050608115256.GA7843@unixdaemon.net> On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 11:50:18AM +0000, Wayne Allen wrote: > SVK looks interesting as one of the issues we have had with CVS is the CVS > folders. cfengine also looks interesting... I wonder if I can intergrate > both? If only we had someone who knew about SVK available... ;) We have the author of SVK speaking on Saturday. Managing /etc will be one of the topics covered. Come along! Dean -- Dean Wilson http://www.unixdaemon.net Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From joel at fysh.org Tue Jun 21 14:16:00 2005 From: joel at fysh.org (Joel Bernstein) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:16:00 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] MP3-CDs In-Reply-To: <42B8205F.2000800@ucl.ac.uk> References: <42B8205F.2000800@ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20050621141600.GI31427@fysh.org> On Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 03:12:47PM +0100, Robert Bannocks wrote: > >>/ Hi all, > >/>/ > >/>/ Can anyone tell me how I burn and MP3-CD under linix. By MP3-CD mean > >a />/ CD-R disk > >/>/ with a format that works in my new portable CD payer which supports > >"MP3 />/ Playback" (from > >/>/ a CD disk). Quite a bit of googling has just confused me. Most sites > >/>/ seem to suggest converting > >/>/ the MP3s into a standard audio CD. This is not what I want as the MP3 > >/>/ play back seems to support > >/>/ mutiple albums on one physical CD. > >/ > >Create an ISO9660 filesystem containing the MP3s, and burn that to the > >disk in DAO mode. > > > >mkisofs -JR /path/to/MP3s | cdrecord -v fs=6m dev=XX,XX - > >where XX,XX is the scsi id of your cd writer. > > > >/joel > > > Thanks, - I take it the directory will become the album name? I wouldn't assume that at all. If you're lucky the player will read track metadata from the ID3 tags. > Is there any significance to the nameing of the files? Uh... Depends on your player software. RTFM. ...unless you mean that as a general question... > How do I control the order in which the player will play them by default? Again, RTFM for your specific player. You may find that it plays 0-9 first, then A-Z, or it may play directories first or playlist files or .... - find out what you intend to play them with and read its documentation. Or just burn a CD and find out. HTH, /joel -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Tue Jun 14 15:20:31 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:20:31 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Network upgrades In-Reply-To: (Ian Lewis's message of "Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:13:27 +0100") References: Message-ID: "Ian Lewis" writes: > Hi, > > We're just starting a network upgrade as our kit is ancient and our backups > aren't worth the tape they are written on. The upgrade path will involve the > use of Network Attached Storage which we have no experience of here. > > Is there anyone out there who can give me an idea of where I can get a > demonstration of NAS? It's probably dead simple but I'd rather spend the > money on something I understand. We are, literally, a charity case... Stupid suggestion: the people you're buying the NAS off should be able to demo it - if not, they probably won't be much good for support either :-> cheers, Rich. -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From liam.smit at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 10:15:01 2005 From: liam.smit at gmail.com (Liam Smit) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:15:01 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: <81bc82db050626031520f526b4@mail.gmail.com> I've worked in a call centre and it is standard procedure to only give first names. I believe it was for security purposes, never stopped me though. I know that they are able to escalate calls, even though they may be unwilling to do so. If you would like I could put you in contact with some people whom I know and who definitely know their stuff. Contact me off list for this and I'll pass your details on. I heard about the C&W acquisition. Which means they are going the way of a big company i.e all call centres and faceless to the customer. I suppose it helps to know people in the organisation. cheers Liam -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 13 09:48:58 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:48:58 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Grepping tab-completions In-Reply-To: <20050613094144.GA415@xiao.rsnet> References: <1118654700.6218.18.camel@localhost> <20050613094144.GA415@xiao.rsnet> Message-ID: <1118656138.6218.30.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 10:41 +0100, Russell Howe wrote: > $ find ${PATH//:/ } -maxdepth 1 -type f -name 'k*exec' That inline substitution is very neat... /me wakes up or even find ${PATH//:/ } -maxdepth 1 -type f -name 'k*exec' -perm +0111 ? Which finds kioexec, but I'm not sure I want to use it. Thank you all, Tom Weissmann ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Sat Jun 25 17:12:28 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:12:28 +0100 Subject: SPAM-MID Re: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: <20050625171228.GA11319@xiao.rsnet> On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 01:35:56PM +0100, Joel Bernstein wrote: > Incidentally, suggestions of anybody else who can provide preferably LLU > DSL in London NW6 accepted gratefully. If nobody else can do it I guess > I'll have to go back to a BT ipstream service - anybody recommend a > reasonably clueful ISP who don't take the piss and can do a 2MB+ circuit > for Bulldog money? Stick your postcode into the exchange locator at http://www.samknows.com/ - that will tell you who has unbundled your exchange. You can then investigate the companies to see which ones have a good rep (www.adslguide.org.uk, I guess) -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From pg_gllug at gllug.for.sabi.co.UK Tue Jun 21 15:41:20 2005 From: pg_gllug at gllug.for.sabi.co.UK (Peter Grandi) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 16:41:20 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] proxy-arp and a vpn In-Reply-To: <42B33A39.6040807@hinterlands.org> References: <1119041813.12652.22.camel@localhost> <42B33A39.6040807@hinterlands.org> Message-ID: <17080.13600.990866.580614@base.ty.sabi.co.UK> >>> On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:01:45 +0100, "Martin A. Brooks" >>> said: martin> Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: >> any comments very welcome martin> You're being vague. "does work" and "doesn't work" are martin> actually _very_ unhelpful terms when debugging a martin> problem. martin> What _exactly_ are you trying to achieve? martin> What _exactly_ have you done to try to meet this goal? martin> What results do you get from your method? martin> How do these results differ from your expectations? Ah, hear hear! Quite similar to what I was thinking :-) In case it may be useful for giving to people who ask vague questions, I have summarized my suggestions on how to ask questions (especially but not just on IRC) in page at this URL: http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html and I think these suggestions are a lot better than ESR's ;-). -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Thu Jun 9 10:33:43 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 11:33:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop In-Reply-To: <1118161081.3867.12.camel@mayday.localdomain> References: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> <20050607130823.GA6721@furbychan.cocan.org> <1118161081.3867.12.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <20050609103343.GA24311@furbychan.cocan.org> On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 05:18:01PM +0100, Adrian McMenamin wrote: > On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 14:08 +0100, Richard Jones wrote: > > http://www.nokia.com/770 > What's the processor? I couldn't see it referred to anywhere on the site The processor is a 220 MHz ARM9 core chip manufactured by Texas Instruments (it's actually an OMAP 1710 System-on-Chip). One of these little fellas in fact: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11991&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_1710 Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at sinodun.org.uk Tue Jun 14 07:17:17 2005 From: john at sinodun.org.uk (John Winters) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:17:17 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] Recovering ISOs from a FUBARed HDD In-Reply-To: <20050613170954.GA15948@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> References: <1118679556.2416.5.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> <20050613170954.GA15948@cornerstonelinux.co.uk> Message-ID: <20784.80.229.33.228.1118733437.squirrel@webmail.sinodun.org.uk> > On the machine with the files: > nc -l -p 12345 -c "cat file" > > On another machine: > nc machine1 12345 > file Thank you Steve and John for the netcat information. I'll remember that for another time. Cheers, John -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From ben_m_f at yahoo.co.uk Thu Jun 16 12:23:08 2005 From: ben_m_f at yahoo.co.uk (Ben Fitzgerald) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:23:08 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] to-do list manager tui or gui for debian Message-ID: <20050616122308.GF14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> Hi, can anyone on the list recommend a to-do list manager that is packaged for debian? It wouldn't have to be a full-blown project management app. I just need to be able to add tasks, mark as done, importance. it's just for one person. I don't need to book hours for individuals etc. gui or tui is fine, so long as it lets me get the job done. I did google but the trouble is you get everyone else's todo list! damn these bad google-karma days :-x thanks, ben. -- Registered Linux user number 339435 -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Wed Jun 1 14:34:50 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:34:50 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Remote hylafax or similar In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:24:15 BST." <1117635855.3888.41.camel@mayday.localdomain> Message-ID: <200506011434.j51EYpsq022829@isengard.accucard.com> Adrian McMenamin writes: >At the moment I have a piece of perl that shells out to send a fax and I >wonder if there is a way I could get that to run across a network/the >internet Have you looked at http://www.tpc.int? Delivery times aren't guaranteed, but then again it's free... Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Thu Jun 30 06:51:39 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 07:51:39 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Samba 2 co-existance with AD In-Reply-To: <42C32686.2060808@acu.ac.uk> References: <000c01c57bc9$fc7adb00$190010ac@kensmw2kp> <42C127D9.1010301@uk.clara.net> <42C32686.2060808@acu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20050630065139.GA10598@xiao.rsnet> On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 11:53:58PM +0100, Mike Brodbelt wrote: > Port 445 is just SMB over TCP, as opposed to SMB encapsulated in NetBIOS. aka CIFS (Common Internet FileSystem - yeah, made me laugh too) The port 135/137/139 stuff is NBT, NetBIOS over TCP/IP. There's a really good document linked from the Samba site where the Samba people attempt to document the SMB, NMB and NBT protocols. Well worth a read. -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From anthony.newman at uk.clara.net Tue Jun 28 10:35:05 2005 From: anthony.newman at uk.clara.net (Anthony Newman) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:35:05 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Samba 2 co-existance with AD In-Reply-To: <000c01c57bc9$fc7adb00$190010ac@kensmw2kp> References: <000c01c57bc9$fc7adb00$190010ac@kensmw2kp> Message-ID: <42C127D9.1010301@uk.clara.net> Ken Smith wrote: > Hi - I hope you can help with a question about Samba 2. I'm supporting a > config where there is an old Samba 2 (RH 7) system which has been running > fine for years. Recently the original NT4 DC has been migrated to a W2K3 > machine and the NT4 box retired. > > Now there are problems with XP SP2 machines unable to map shares. The shares > were mapped by IP address so nmb/wins issues shouldn?t be a problem. > > I recall there being some changes to the password authentication > methods/algorithms from NT4 to AD and I think port 445 began to be used > rather than 13*. It's since Win2k(NT5.0) IIRC that port 445 was used for various things. > > So the basic question - can an XP SP2 machine, which is otherwise part of an > AD domain, map a share from a machine that would look as if it were share an > NT4 machine that is not in the AD domain? Password authentication on NT4/Win98 machines was via LANMAN hash I believe, which was "weak". Later schemes use challenge/response authentication and stronger encryption. "encrypted passwords = yes" should feature in your smb.conf for later machines to be able to connect to your Samba server, although it seems odd as you'd expect an XP machine to be able to revert to enable it to share from, say, a Win98 machine. There's no reason a domain-attached machine shouldn't be able to connect to a legacy machine (the other way around is the problem), although presumably there's some security policy that allows you to forbid it somehow or other. YMMV, I Am Not A Windows Person :) Ant -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon.morris at cmtww.com Tue Jun 21 14:16:34 2005 From: simon.morris at cmtww.com (Simon Morris) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:16:34 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] MP3-CDs In-Reply-To: <42B8205F.2000800@ucl.ac.uk> References: <42B8205F.2000800@ucl.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1119363394.10689.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 15:12 +0100, Robert Bannocks wrote: > > Thanks, - I take it the directory will become the album name? > Is there any significance to the nameing of the files? > How do I control the order in which the player will play them by default? > I would think the ID3 tags in the MP3 file that state which artist, albumn and genre would affect the play order and how you see songs grouped into albums There are a few ID3 tag editors for Linux around. ~sm -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From caparo at saltmine.org.uk Mon Jun 27 11:39:32 2005 From: caparo at saltmine.org.uk (Caparo) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:39:32 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <200506271131.j5RBVCjB028682@isengard.accucard.com> References: <200506271131.j5RBVCjB028682@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: <200506271239.32997.caparo@saltmine.org.uk> On Monday 27 June 2005 12:31, Tethys wrote: > John Winters writes: > >Some organisations (e.g. Demon) even make up fictitious individuals to > >sign letters. So you'll get a letter signed (or rather, not signed - > >just a printed name and no signature) by "Able Baker Charlie - Senior > >Customer Services Representative", but if you write back to Able Baker > >Charlie pointing out he hasn't addressed your query you will never get a > >reply and if you phone, at any hour of the day or night, he is always in > >a meeting. > > This isn't universally true. We used to do that, to protect the individuals > in question. But IIRC, each fictitious name corresponded to a real person, > and if you phoned or wrote to the fictitious person, you'd get through to > the person you intended to contact. You just wouldn't be able to trace them > in real life. > > Seems pretty reasonable to me. > > Tet Hi, You mean to say that the service is SO BAD that tech support live in fear of their lives, is there a new crime surfing rage now? -- TTFN ^ ? ? @ @ ? ? ? /V\ ? ? ? /( ? )\ ?Caparo ? ?^^ ^^ ? ? http://www.saltmine.org.uk -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at sinodun.org.uk Sat Jun 11 12:15:36 2005 From: john at sinodun.org.uk (John Winters) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:15:36 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] How to tell grub where to find menu.lst In-Reply-To: <1118486324.5785.6.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> References: <1118481944.4196.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1118486324.5785.6.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> Message-ID: <1118492136.4196.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 11:38 +0100, Mike Brodbelt wrote: > On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 10:25 +0100, John Winters wrote: > > > I've got to the point where grub is installed in the MBR, but it always > > boots to the grub command prompt and I have to type in the "root", > > "kernel" and "initrd" bits manually. /boot/grub/menu.lst exists, but > > grub doesn't seem to know about it. > > > > > grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda > > > > Grub will look for "boot/grub/menu.lst" relative to whatever you set the > grub root directory to. This defaults to /, but your command line above > will have grub looking for "/boot/boot/grub/menu.lst". Thank you - that was the clue I needed. It seems that the documentation provided in the Debian Sarge grub package is wrong. It says you need that parameter if your /boot is a separate partition, but in fact it just FUBARs things. > The whole > situation is not really helped by the fact that grub uses its own > terminology for everything, often redefining terms you'd expect to mean > something different. Not only different meanings from the conventional ones, but the meanings don't even stay consistent within grub. "root" is used with (at least) two different meanings within the grub documentation, which I suspect is what led to the error in the Debian documentation above. > The grub-install command is just a shell script wrapper > around /sbin/grub, which copies necessary bits to the "boot" directory > underneath whatever you specified as the root directory. It's supposed > to pass the --no-floppy option through to the grub shell... Yes, but apparently the device mappings file overrides the command line parameters - this should surely work the other way around - and there was an extra device mappings file nestling in /boot/boot/... Thanks for your help. John -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From jason at ukpost.com Thu Jun 2 09:56:49 2005 From: jason at ukpost.com (Jason Clifford) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:56:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Rich Walker wrote: > To be fair though, it almost completely removed the spam. At the cost of > legitimate mail. And that cost is the reason why ISPs should never implement such systems except under the control of the end user/recipient. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ ADSL Broadband from just ?15.99 / month -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon at rumble.net Tue Jun 7 12:51:36 2005 From: simon at rumble.net (Rev Simon Rumble) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:51:36 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Flash-only laptop Message-ID: <20050607125136.GI28148@rumble.net> Prices for flash memory seem to be coming down every week or two. I notice Scan has a 4 gig CF for 160 quid. Insane! So I'm thinking, how long until we see flash-only laptops? Imagine the battery life! So then I got thinking, how about retrofitting it into an existing laptop? How hard could it be? There are IDE-CF adapters. Would they fit the laptop conectors? What about flash wearing? Can you use file systems like jffs for the root FS? And do they have any impact through an IDE-CF interface? This is really just a thought experiment, but curious to know if it's possible. -- Rev Simon Rumble www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Nerds need vacations too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ "History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives." - Abba Eban -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The difference > with using a revision control system (I'm not saying it's better, just > different) is that it can be used for the change management as well. > AIDE does not let you roll back, replicate a configuration for a > specific machine from a specific point in time, provide a way of merging > changes from 2 different systems etc. When managing the system there are a few types of change, something I'd like to do is to use rcs.mgr combined with Blosxom. I've already combined blosxom with CVS and Bugzilla to track changes that way and making a wrapper that adds blog entries to rcs.mgr or package management script would be trivial. A. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From gllug at ml.icemark.net Fri Jun 3 11:35:42 2005 From: gllug at ml.icemark.net (Benedikt Heinen) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:35:42 +0100 (BST) Subject: mobile company changes... (was: Re: [Gllug] o2, web, site, ....) In-Reply-To: References: <20050603102146.GK13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42A03383.4030507@pigeonhold.com> <20050603105843.GN13250@mint.phcomp.co.uk> Message-ID: > Now we have moved to orange and life is better. We left o2 for the > same reasons as alain left vodafone. o2 have very bad customer > service. Orange make more of an effort but do still fuck up. I recently changed to Orange as well, and - while generally now the reception here is a lot better, they did fuck up big time after a couple of weeks - that time, my mobile all of a sudden started saying "no signal" all the time, and when I called my own (ported in) number, I was getting a message "All our lines are currently busy" - and a couple of hours later switched to "you've dialled an incorrect number". Based on that, Orange claimed that my USIM was broken, and I needed it replaced (seems nonsensical - if the USIM was broken, I'd get "subscriber cannot be reached at this moment" or something, but nothing along the lines that the number was incorrect. Anyway - they exchanged the USIM, and after that took close to 4 days restoring service to my phone... :-( (...which is a REAL pain in the ass, when you're just looking for a new job, and your CV contains your mobile number - comes across as really professional, if you list a number that gives you "You've dialled an incorrect number"... :-( Anyway - now it's back working again - so my gripes are a bit smoothened at the moment... ;-) ...still - no new job in sight yet... :-( (Anyone know of any good positions for an experienced Unix [~15yrs], C [~10yrs], C++ [~2yrs], Java [ ~6yrs ] Analyst/Developer ?) Benedikt -- Gaudeo te illud de me rogavisse. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Mon Jun 27 11:31:11 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:31:11 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:40:20 BST." <1119782421.2465.8.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> Message-ID: <200506271131.j5RBVCjB028682@isengard.accucard.com> John Winters writes: >Some organisations (e.g. Demon) even make up fictitious individuals to >sign letters. So you'll get a letter signed (or rather, not signed - >just a printed name and no signature) by "Able Baker Charlie - Senior >Customer Services Representative", but if you write back to Able Baker >Charlie pointing out he hasn't addressed your query you will never get a >reply and if you phone, at any hour of the day or night, he is always in >a meeting. This isn't universally true. We used to do that, to protect the individuals in question. But IIRC, each fictitious name corresponded to a real person, and if you phoned or wrote to the fictitious person, you'd get through to the person you intended to contact. You just wouldn't be able to trace them in real life. Seems pretty reasonable to me. Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rich at annexia.org Thu Jun 16 12:58:46 2005 From: rich at annexia.org (Richard Jones) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:58:46 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] to-do list manager tui or gui for debian In-Reply-To: <20050616122308.GF14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> References: <20050616122308.GF14950@bfitzgerald.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050616125846.GA16287@furbychan.cocan.org> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 01:23:08PM +0100, Ben Fitzgerald wrote: > can anyone on the list recommend a to-do list manager that is packaged > for debian? I use xpostit+ to maintain lists of things. For lists which need to be shared, we have a page on our internal wiki. Low-tech, but it works. Rich. -- Richard Jones, CTO Merjis Ltd. Merjis - web marketing and technology - http://merjis.com Team Notepad - intranets and extranets for business - http://team-notepad.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 21 23:20:44 2005 From: chrisbell at overview.demon.co.uk (Chris Bell) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:20:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] iptables and flaky ssh, ftp, vnc In-Reply-To: <1119387242.5352.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue 21 Jun, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 16:37 +0100, Peter Grandi wrote: > > > There is probably wrong with the 'iptables' rules too, they are > > very very difficut to get right (and, as usual, very easy to get > > wrong but ''working''). I usually recommend using a rule set > > generator... But even that does not avoid the need for clear > > thinking. > > I'll stick my neck out. This is a semi-theoretical question. Given that > I wanted as transparent a link as possible, isn't this the minimal > ruleset I could have? > > regards, > Tom Weissmann > If the ADSL modem has an integral switch and is running NAT, could you simply bridge from that to your local boxes, and not bother with masquerading? -- Chris Bell -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 14 18:08:43 2005 From: mike at coruscant.demon.co.uk (Mike Brodbelt) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 19:08:43 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Fwd: Coaxsys Response In-Reply-To: <81bc82db05061410566c8ddb5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <81bc82db05061410566c8ddb5f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1118772523.5807.1.camel@mordor.altair.nexus> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 18:56 +0100, Liam Smit wrote: > Hi > > Anyone else get this? I believe it may answer someone's question, > unless I'm thinking of the Bristol and Bath Lug. It was me that originally posted to GLLUG about 100Mbps over co-ax, and had previously contacted Coaxsys and got no answer. I'll follow up with this bloke - thanks for posting it to the list. Mike. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jun 13 20:27:20 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:27:20 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] iptables and flaky ssh, ftp, vnc Message-ID: <1118694440.5676.12.camel@localhost> More questions, sorry... In return for making her a website and setting up WEP, our neighbour lets me use her wireless ADSL, which is accessible from one side of our house. Since I'm normally on the other side I use an old laptop with two wireless cards, and iptables, to route between our home network and the ADSL router next door. The problem is that when using ssh, ftp or vnc, the connection is often lost. For instance, whilst using browsercam.com's handy vnc service from my Thinkpad, I keep getting kicked off with this message: . ReadFromRFBServer: rdr::SystemException: read: Connection reset by peer (104) and it's the same with ssh :( Any hints as to where I'm going wrong? Thanks, Tom Weissmann --- iptables script --- world=0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 dest=192.168.200.0/24 dev=$1 devip=$2 iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s $world -d $dest -j ACCEPT -o $dev iptables -I INPUT 1 -s $dest -d $world -j ACCEPT -i $dev iptables -I FORWARD 1 -s $world -d $dest -j ACCEPT -o $dev iptables -I FORWARD 1 -s $dest -d $world -j ACCEPT -i $dev iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $dev -j SNAT --to $devip echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From trmsw at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jun 28 08:39:59 2005 From: trmsw at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Schutzer-Weissmann) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:39:59 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] network paramedic wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1119947999.5295.12.camel@localhost> > Is this a standalone box, PC configured as router, ADSL modem with > router, or something else? Netgear wireless ADSL modem / router - DG834G, I think. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From dave at dave.org.uk Thu Jun 23 06:04:58 2005 From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 07:04:58 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] x.org 6.8.2 and backspace In-Reply-To: <20050622171204.GA27304@furbychan.cocan.org> References: <20050622171204.GA27304@furbychan.cocan.org> Message-ID: <20050623060457.GD18724@willow.mag-sol.com> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 06:12:04PM +0100, Richard Jones wrote: > > I upgraded to X.Org 6.8.2 and everything works well, except the bloody > backspace-generates-^H bug-from-hell which I remember last affected > Unix workstations circa '92 has reappeared! Does anyone know the > correct keycode combinations to fix this? All the FAQs predate X.Org, > and none of their suggestions fix things ... Does this help... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=155538 Dave... -- We are far too young and clever -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When I moved at the start of December, I cancelled my account, then opened a new account at my new place. When they realised I was a previous customer, they said "oh, we can just reuse the same details - you'll get the same IP addresses and everything". That seemed good to me, so I went with that. They said they'd have to bill me for the next month, and then I would get a rebate the month after to cover the period where I'd be double-billed. Sounded fine to me. However, they didn't seem to charge me for the new account until after the old account was resolved.. this basically meant that in April I was billed for the installation, the static IP address option and the multiple IP address options for 6 months! (that was about ?100-150 I think). Then, in May, they billed me for 6 months of DSL service, plus that month's static IP address options and multiple IP address options. I think both those unexpected large charges bounced, and so I was talking to the credit control people. They said "oh, you moved? Well we had a deal on where you can migrate service cheaply. I'll put in for a rebate on that to cover the difference". This was quite cool, as I'd billed work for the full installation fee. Still not had that rebate though. It was a bit annoying being stung for over ?250 of DSL charges over 2 months though! Their service seems mostly fine, although some of their trouble tickets make you wonder... They're not cheap though (although they are upgrading everyone to 2Mbit and dropping charges next month - they've already dropped charges for everyone, pending the upgrade). -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rw at shadow.org.uk Wed Jun 1 17:10:07 2005 From: rw at shadow.org.uk (Rich Walker) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:10:07 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: <200506011626.j51GQlnT005556@isengard.accucard.com> (tet@createservices.com's message of "Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:26:46 +0100") References: <200506011626.j51GQlnT005556@isengard.accucard.com> Message-ID: Tethys writes: > mimo writes: > >>A proper ISP -- like the one I am working for ;) -- should run spamassassin >>for you... and also greylisting... and proper SMTP servers ..and... > > You missed out one very important word in that -- "optionally". [snip] I assume everyone here has had the experience of trying to explain why emails are (a) delayed and (b) not arriving at all when greylisting is implemented? Delayed is bad enough - but the fact that many people have an ISP whose mail servers fail on meeting a greylisting mail server is enough to make greylisting un-usable in any real situation... cheers, Rich [who had high hopes for greylisting once...] -- rich walker | Shadow Robot Company | rw at shadow.org.uk technical director 251 Liverpool Road | need a Hand? London N1 1LX | +UK 20 7700 2487 www.shadow.org.uk/products/newhand.shtml -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From bredroll at darkspace.org.uk Thu Jun 16 23:09:00 2005 From: bredroll at darkspace.org.uk (Ian Norton) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:09:00 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Connection reset by peer In-Reply-To: <20050616171941.GB20807@earth.dsh.org.uk> References: <1118929837.5627.15.camel@localhost> <20050616171941.GB20807@earth.dsh.org.uk> Message-ID: <20050616230900.GA27391@earth.dsh.org.uk> On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 06:19:41PM +0100, Ian Norton wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 02:50:36PM +0100, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > > vnc and ssh are pretty much unusable for me, sessions keep breaking with > > the error "Connection reset by peer". It must be to do with my network > > setup, but'm having problems pinning it down. > > > > One computer connects to an ADSL router, and then acts as a gateway for > > another network, using NAT. The computer that's directly connected to > > the router doesn't have problems with ssh or vnc, but it's a headless > > relic and no use for vnc (which is most useful to me) - it's the > > computers that use the relic as a gateway that have problems. > > > > I've tried using ethereal to hunt down the problem, but don't really > > know what I'm looking for. Nothing jumped out at me (I was sort of > > hoping for a great big "connection reset by peer here") > > > > Any hints most gratefully received... > > Try setting the MTU setting on your wireless router to under 1500 bytes (1460ish) . > > I had this alot with wifi routers, ipip tunnels and other things going through > a router that truncated packets (evil netgear). By this is mean, talk to your neighbour with an mtu of about 1380. -- Ian Norton-Badrul -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 25 19:53:38 2005 From: adrian at mcmen.demon.co.uk (Adrian McMenamin) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:53:38 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1119729218.3870.10.camel@mayday.localdomain> On Sat, 2005-06-25 at 20:44 +0100, Jason Clifford wrote: > UKFSN can offer a 2Mb line for ?19.99 / month which includes 30GB of > daytime (8am - 10pm) bandwidth and 300GB of evening and weekend bandwidth Not according to your website - unless I have missed something obvious. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From rhowe at siksai.co.uk Mon Jun 13 22:27:50 2005 From: rhowe at siksai.co.uk (Russell Howe) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:27:50 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] mysql binary logs In-Reply-To: <200506132313768.SM01660@smtp1.wiss.co.uk> References: <20050613170100.GZ16185@mint.phcomp.co.uk> <42ADDB05.3050401@hinterlands.org> <42ADE4C8.4070308@hinterlands.org> <20050613210728.GA5699@xiao.rsnet> <200506132210455.SM01660@smtp1.wiss.co.uk> <20050613220355.GB5699@xiao.rsnet> <200506132313768.SM01660@smtp1.wiss.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050613222750.GC5699@xiao.rsnet> On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 11:12:40PM +0100, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > Russell Howe wrote: > >>SELECTing into a temporary table is different to a subselect. > > > > > >Bizarre. If it can do one, it should certainly be able to emulate the > >other. > > Not really, if you think of it in terms of Venn diagrams you'll see the > difference. Or rather, surely if you can select into temporary tables, you could implement subselects fairly trivially (if not perhaps particularly efficiently)? -- Russell Howe | Why be just another cog in the machine, rhowe at siksai.co.uk | when you can be the spanner in the works? -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From Simon.Morris at cmtww.com Tue Jun 14 16:53:45 2005 From: Simon.Morris at cmtww.com (Morris, Simon) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:53:45 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mirroring a local dir to ftp (curl?) Message-ID: Hello, I have a local directory that I'd like to mirror up onto a ftp server as part of a cron script. Looking at the available tools (The server is OS X) curl seems the best bet, but doesn't seem to do recursive uploads. So far I've come up with find /path/to/dir -exec curl -T {} \; But its horribly inefficient. Does anyone have a better idea (I know someone will have) either using curl or another tool. Thanks ~sm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john.hearns at streamline-computing.com Fri Jun 10 08:23:27 2005 From: john.hearns at streamline-computing.com (John Hearns) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:23:27 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] New hard disk needed - nearby suppliers? In-Reply-To: <20050609211559.GA15607@tinsleyviaduct.com> References: <20050609211559.GA15607@tinsleyviaduct.com> Message-ID: <1118391808.11371.70.camel@Vigor12> On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 22:15 +0100, Phil Reynolds wrote: > I am in quite desperate need of a new hard disk for my main Linux system > - probably looking for about 160Gb. > > I am hoping to obtain one tomorrow, and would therefore appreciate any > recommendations as to a supplier in North Middlesex whose prices are > good. > > It will be the first time I have done an upgrade since I started using > grub as my bootloader, so any hints on how to handle that part of a hard > disk upgrade would be very helpful. Partition. e2label the partitions. edit fstab to use labels Mount partitions in appropriate place and rsync rsync -avx good, as x does not cross filesystem boundaries -avxn good too grub --boot-disk=new disk --config-file=new file (lilo had an option to do a chroot) Maybe my grub incantation is wrong. Remove old disk. Put new disk on cable as master. Remember to have a Knoppix CD handy for rescue when grub doesn't work. Boot in Knoppix, mount your hard drive partitions, grub Repeat Trash not old disk till everything hunky-dory. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From alan at ibgames.com Mon Jun 13 16:12:35 2005 From: alan at ibgames.com (alan at ibgames.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:12:35 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [YA-OT] PA-RISC D-Class 9000 In-Reply-To: <42AD909A.3070105@hoshy.co.uk> Message-ID: <42ADBE83.2086.3EBA121@localhost> On 13 Jun 2005 at 14:56, Ashley Evans wrote: Date sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:56:42 +0100 From: Ashley Evans To: Greater London Linux User Group Subject: [Gllug] [YA-OT] PA-RISC D-Class 9000 Send reply to: Greater London Linux User Group > Hi, > > I'm at a client who's suffered at power failure and it looks like this > box hasn't come up correctly. Normally I'd walk away from this in a > client environment but the boss (client) has asked me to "at least give > it a go" after the usual warnings. Some of the client machine have a > telnet to what I think is the machine ip. The machine is up however the > front panel shows "warn". > > It seems to be stuck in some kind of text editor. Anybody know how exit > common editors, does this thing have VTs? I think I could figure out at > least how to check the network and reboot and look at logs if I could > make it to a terminal. > > Any tid bits would be welcome. > > Thanks. > Ashley I just found this: http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/HP-UX-Admin/2003-08/0047.html I was right about the combination being obscure! alan -- http://www.ibgames.net/alan Registered Linux user #6822 http://counter.li.org Winding Down - Weekly Tech Newsletter - subscribe at http://www.ibgames.net/alan/winding/mailing.html -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From simon.wiehe at csfb.com Mon Jun 20 10:13:25 2005 From: simon.wiehe at csfb.com (Wiehe, Simon) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:13:25 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Planet GLLUG? Message-ID: <92CA923AAE010949A3A58BF744E5678501BB4A10@elon11p32003.csfp.co.uk> > > This one time, at band camp, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > > > > > to get to know people as rounded individuals. > > ^^^^^^^ > > Hmmm, that could be taken either way really... > > I know some GLLUG and Perl Mongers are round individuals, comes from > drinking all that real ale and not exersizing enough. Have you ever tried running in a pair of sandals? And anyway the beard just flaps up and gets in your eyes ;-) ============================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml ============================================================================== -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martin at hinterlands.org Thu Jun 2 23:16:32 2005 From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 00:16:32 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Poor disk performance on IDE raid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <429F9350.9090202@hinterlands.org> Simon Wilcox wrote: >Could anyone offer advice regarding the best place to start diagnosing and >fixing this problem ? > > Not wishing to be harsh, but if your system relies on low latency I/O then you have barely picked a worse setup. If you want low latency with RAID then you need more spindles. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From john at sinodun.org.uk Tue Jun 7 19:04:01 2005 From: john at sinodun.org.uk (John Winters) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:04:01 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <42A5E83B.7000906@house-from-hell.demon.co.uk> References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> <47616.195.190.132.207.1118126735.squirrel@webmail.morsing.org> <42A56C1A.8030807@uncertainty.org.uk> <1118137633.30927.5.camel@blackbox.shiplake.org.uk> <42A5E83B.7000906@house-from-hell.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <1118171042.2354.1.camel@bletchley.home.sinodun.org.uk> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 19:32 +0100, Ian Northeast wrote: [snip] > Conversely, on a system still running Woody, would I be advised to > change "stable" to "woody" until I upgrade it? Yes - otherwise you're liable to find it has upgraded itself overnight and that may not have been your intention. Regards, John -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From gl.lug at ntlworld.com Tue Jun 28 16:38:04 2005 From: gl.lug at ntlworld.com (Pip) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 17:38:04 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mail servers on FC4 In-Reply-To: <42C119B9.7040603@uk.clara.net> References: <200506272010.21197.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> <42C119B9.7040603@uk.clara.net> Message-ID: <200506281738.04311.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> On Tuesday 28 Jun 2005 10:34, Anthony Newman wrote: > > How much effort it's worth expending probably depends on how many users > you expect to support. If it's, say, 20 it's probably not worth > buggering about with scalable systems; I'd go with the "/var/spool/mail" > solution, although strictly it would be a Maildir in the user's home > directory if I had my way :) I'd been considering that very thing, particularly as there are only about twenty users. But I want to be able to get it right and take it away with me so I can go for a "real" job. > If you are supporting, say, 2000 users, go and get familiar with Exim's > config. It can be set up to authenticate against whatever you like, and > deliver wherever you want in a variety of formats given the correct > highly verbose and bracket-ridden incantations, so virtual users are no > problem. The general impression I got, though, was that it doesn't run as a pop server. > I've not heard of Dovecot but it looks quite cool at first glance. RTFM ;) I trolled around to get a feel for what might be good to go for, and Dovecot seems a favourite, especially now that cyrus-imap isn't supplied with FC4 - kind of a shame since exim already has support for it built in. The Fine Manual for exim looks good. But very, very substantial, and aimed at a full understanding of what's going on rather than the short, simple, stupidity-proof brief I was hoping for. The Dovecot one seems okay too, but devils and details keep getting mixed together. I'm further on than before. Maybe I'll find the missing comma in the next day or two and lay it all to rest. Pip -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From gl.lug at ntlworld.com Tue Jun 28 18:26:36 2005 From: gl.lug at ntlworld.com (Pip) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:26:36 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Mail servers on FC4 In-Reply-To: <200506281923.47152.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> References: <200506272010.21197.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> <42C18439.90700@uk.clara.net> <200506281923.47152.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <200506281926.36148.gl.lug@ntlworld.com> > I thought I'd found something of that nature: > > dovecot_router: > driver = accept > #local_part_suffix = +* > #local_part_suffix_optional > require_files = +/var/spool/dovecot/users/${local_part}/ > transport = dovecot_transport > > dovecot_transport: > driver = appendfile > user = dovecot > group = dovecot > mode = 0600 > directory=/var/spool/dovecot/users/${lc:$local_part}/ > maildir_format = true > mode_fail_narrower = false > envelope_to_add = true > return_path_add = true > > (haven't got the url here, or I'd leave that breadcrumb for anyone hungry > enough) Here it is: http://wiki.dovecot.org/VirtualhostingWithExim Pip -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From martyn at drake.org.uk Sat Jun 25 13:09:10 2005 From: martyn at drake.org.uk (Martyn Drake) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:09:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> References: <20050609081823.W44948@bsd.morsing.cc> <81bc82db05062502243cf59c87@mail.gmail.com> <20050625123556.GW31427@fysh.org> Message-ID: <42BD5776.7070907@drake.org.uk> Joel Bernstein wrote: > You've got to be kidding. I am currently a Bulldog LLU victim [customer > is the wrong word] and I've never seen or heard of /any/ other company > with such incredibly shit service or staff. The phone droids don't give > a fuck, which I could handle except they simply have no power to > escalate calls anywhere, only give first names, have literally zero > technical knowledge on the part of their supposedly technical support, > and just seem to be falling apart. Hourlong phone queues to talk to > their customer services are common, presumably this is linked to the > poor level of service. Ah, the joys of Unable and Clueless. I remember running an ISP with them provividing the circuits for our dial-up customers (ah the good old days - and using a good old Livingston Portmaster terminal server and rackmounted modems) and they weren't very good customer service wise whenever we had to call them. They did do good Centric lines though (their only saving grace - until they scrapped the service). But even in those days (we're talking '98 and '99) they were crap. > Incidentally, suggestions of anybody else who can provide preferably LLU > DSL in London NW6 accepted gratefully. If nobody else can do it I guess > I'll have to go back to a BT ipstream service - anybody recommend a > reasonably clueful ISP who don't take the piss and can do a 2MB+ circuit > for Bulldog money? Easynet? UK Online? I personally wouldn't touch Easynet with a 500ft barge pole, but admittedly I do believe they are a bit more clueful with regards to LUL than Uncapble and Witless. Regards, Martyn -- http://www.drake.org.uk http://www.drake.org.uk/hosting.html http://www.ourlittleduckling.com -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Wed Jun 22 13:46:28 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:46:28 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... In-Reply-To: <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> References: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> Message-ID: <42B96BB4.7030409@hoshy.co.uk> John Hearns wrote: >On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 12:35 +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>That must be running the GPL'd version of Solaris then, eh ? >> >> > >Is that a pun on Galaxy/Solaris? Groan. > >Actually it runs SuSE. We paint go-faster stripes on the side with >our SCore parallel environment. Standard MPI libraries, but a low >latency gigabit layer. You need low latency to get the parallel >performance to acceptable levels. > > > It was meant as a friendly litle poke against non-free software :) The top500 entry mentions it runs Solaris. Most of the other stuff you mentioned was over my head, impressive none the less though. I'm guessing SCore is your own (company's) development env/libs for creating software on parallel systems? I may look up this low latency gigabit magic of which you speak though. Sounds interesting. Well, off to googel for me. Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Tue Jun 14 11:20:48 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:20:48 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] In at the deep end with an Iomega REV Message-ID: <42AEBD90.301@hoshy.co.uk> Hi, In true my-boss-fashion, I've been given a Debian box, said drive and told to "make it work". I'd ideally like to use it as a tape but they seem to use udf. I can mount the disks r/o but if I try to mkudffs (umounted of course) it dies with: trying to change type of multiple extents. Googling around it seems I need to be running linux 2.6.7 or above to get write access? Anybody had any experience with these? Regards, Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From sean at uncertainty.org.uk Tue Jun 7 09:42:50 2005 From: sean at uncertainty.org.uk (Sean Burlington) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:42:50 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] it's been a long time coming In-Reply-To: <47616.195.190.132.207.1118126735.squirrel@webmail.morsing.org> References: <42A4C7A4.30002@hinterlands.org> <47616.195.190.132.207.1118126735.squirrel@webmail.morsing.org> Message-ID: <42A56C1A.8030807@uncertainty.org.uk> Henrik Morsing wrote: >>Debian 3.1 is released. >> >>http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 > > > Woohoo! > quick question for folks who may have experienced a debian release before .... I've got a mail server that was set to run on testing as stable didn't have the software I wanted - but now I want to switch to stable. Do I just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change testing to stable? Anything else I need to do? Also does anyone know what is likely to happen to clamav? - it seem to be constantly claiming that it is out of date! -- Sean -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From mimo at gn.apc.org Thu Jun 2 13:31:46 2005 From: mimo at gn.apc.org (Michael Moritz) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:31:46 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] spamassassin v bogofilter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200506021431.46672.mimo@gn.apc.org> On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:17, Jason Clifford wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Moritz wrote: > > This is a misunderstanding. The receiving SMTP server (the one that does > > the greylisting) reads the MAIL FROM, RCPT TO, and client address, then > > checks the greylisting database and issues a 450. This is before the DATA > > section of the SMTP session. > > You are trusting that all other MTAs and MUAs do the "right thing". > Experience shows that this sometimes is not the case. What do you mean? My SMTP server disconnects after the greylist check, the session is ended. No way the sender can continue sending the mail data as the tcp session is closed. mimo -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Jun 3 18:52:28 2005 From: chrisehunter at blueyonder.co.uk (Christopher Hunter) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:52:28 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] He doesn't give up... In-Reply-To: <57a93597050602072358d1c129@mail.gmail.com> References: <1799.155.198.181.3.1117709574.squirrel@webmail.streamline-computing.com> <429EEAB9.6030108@pauken.co.uk> <57a93597050602072358d1c129@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200506031952.28524.chrisehunter@blueyonder.co.uk> On Thursday 02 Jun 2005 15:23, Mamading Ceesay wrote: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,1496717,00.html He really is a clueless git, and obviously in the pay of the Evil Empire. Why does that newspaper actually pay him money to write his slanted trash? Chris -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From wayne at micromouse.co.uk Wed Jun 8 10:44:34 2005 From: wayne at micromouse.co.uk (Wayne Allen) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:44:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Gllug] Change Management tools In-Reply-To: <1118142466.5212.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Hi All, anyone have any experience with change management software? We could deploy CVS across all of our servers to track changes of config files etc, but we are looking for something a bit more 'wordy'. needs to run on Linux/Solaris, and GNU if possible Any comments? Wayne Email : wayne at fused.org Web : http://www.fused.org/ On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Tom Schutzer-Weissmann wrote: > On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 11:37 +0100, Darren Beale wrote: > > > I guess I'm confused how these virtual network interfaces are > > presented to the guest and how one accesses them. I did a 'discover' > > but it didn't come up with anything new and my knowledge of adding new > > hardware to a running linux system is pretty ropey at best. > > Set the VM to use host-only networking (or did you already do that?), do > ipconfig /all on the host to see what subnets it's on, and then them out > in the guest. > > In the reverse situation, (the only one I'm familiar with) ie a linux > host and a windows guest, the host does dhcp. If you're lucky this will > happen for you too. > > hope this is some help, > Tom SW > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday > snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos http://uk.photos.yahoo.com > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug > -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From hoshy at hoshy.co.uk Fri Jun 10 14:00:34 2005 From: hoshy at hoshy.co.uk (Ashley Evans) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:00:34 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: <20050610133126.GF19591@fysh.org> References: <42A99760.1040707@hoshy.co.uk> <20050610133126.GF19591@fysh.org> Message-ID: <42A99D02.6050106@hoshy.co.uk> Joel Bernstein wrote: >On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 02:36:32PM +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > > >>Google returns a myriad of companies. >> >> > > >Nonsense. "Results 1 - 10 of about 5,130,000 for data recovery UK. (0.15 >seconds)" so clearly *not* myriad ["uncountable"]. > > > >OnTrack have a good reputation - www.ontrack.co.uk >MJM are apparently good - www.mjm.co.uk > >/joel > > Myriad actually comes from the Greek word for 10,000 Thanks for the answers Ashley -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From walid.shaari at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 19:17:12 2005 From: walid.shaari at gmail.com (Wal) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:17:12 -0700 Subject: [Gllug] Don't like to boast but... In-Reply-To: <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> References: <1119433315.16286.56.camel@Vigor11> <42B94D15.5040707@hoshy.co.uk> <1119440312.17734.16.camel@Vigor11> Message-ID: On 6/22/05, John Hearns wrote: > On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 12:35 +0100, Ashley Evans wrote: > Actually it runs SuSE. We paint go-faster stripes on the side with > our SCore parallel environment. Standard MPI libraries, but a low > latency gigabit layer. You need low latency to get the parallel > performance to acceptable levels. The last couple of weeks i hear the word SUSE more than REDHAT*, that was from local vendors representing IBM, SGI, HP, and AMD, is that because they jumped into the 2.6 kernel wagon quicker, or in Clusters, and HPC environment they have the technical lead?! Walid. * that is when support is an issue and a commerical linux distro is required -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From tet at createservices.com Thu Jun 23 10:15:12 2005 From: tet at createservices.com (Tethys) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 11:15:12 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] x.org 6.8.2 and backspace In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:07:04 BST." <20050622200704.GG8222@bfitzgerald.co.uk> Message-ID: <200506231015.j5NAFDEd016935@isengard.accucard.com> Ben Fitzgerald writes: >stty erase ^H > >though obviously you'd have to generate ^H as a metacharacter with >CTRL-v + backspace. Actually, you don't. Since time immemorial, stty has been able to interpret the two character sequence ^h (0x5E, 0x68) as Ctrl-h. Just type it as you see it, and it'll automagically work. Tet -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From kedikebab at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 11:30:10 2005 From: kedikebab at gmail.com (Brad Cahoon) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:30:10 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] [OT] Data Recovery companies In-Reply-To: <92CA923AAE010949A3A58BF744E5678501BB4A46@elon11p32003.csfp.co.uk> References: <92CA923AAE010949A3A58BF744E5678501BB4A46@elon11p32003.csfp.co.uk> Message-ID: <276501db05062304304def4f95@mail.gmail.com> On 6/23/05, Wiehe, Simon wrote: > > > That's strange. My neighbour had a power supply go wild, and it fried > his > > Fujitsu drive electronics. I contacted Fujitsu, and they told me that > the > > particular model of drive was obsolete, but they'd see if they could > locate a > > board for it. They didn't have one in this country, but shipped me one > (at > > no charge) from Japan within three days! It was a matter of moments to > > install the replacement board, and the drive worked as well as ever. > > I had to find one on eBay, which was the same revision but it never > worked. > > > ============================================================================== > Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic > communications disclaimer: > > http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml > > > ============================================================================== > > -- > Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk > http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug > > Hi guys Sorry but I missed the start of this thread, I work for Data Recovery Direct and would be happy to quote any recoveries needed. Regards Brad Cahoon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From henrik at morsing.cc Thu Jun 9 07:18:06 2005 From: henrik at morsing.cc (Henrik Morsing) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 08:18:06 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Gllug] ADSL upload speeds In-Reply-To: <20050608141650.GL19591@fysh.org> References: <51391.195.190.132.207.1118240233.squirrel@webmail.morsing.org> <20050608141650.GL19591@fysh.org> Message-ID: <20050609081725.N44948@bsd.morsing.cc> On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Joel Bernstein wrote: > 1) most users don't need it or even have any use for it > 2) offering 'domestic' priced services with enterprise-quality upstream > will severely impact the sales of higher-bandwidth services. > > In short - they don't do it because you don't need it. And if you do, > they want you to buy a premium service. > > Does that make sense? It does - unfortunately. Thanks Henrik Morsing -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug From doug at pigeonhold.com Tue Jun 14 09:32:03 2005 From: doug at pigeonhold.com (Doug Winter) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:32:03 +0100 Subject: [Gllug] Debian 3.1 ISO images In-Reply-To: <42AEA0F6.9010405@enplater.com> References: <42AE9CE4.2030905@enplater.com> <1118739991.6077.7.camel@Vigor12> <42AEA0F6.9010405@enplater.com> Message-ID: <42AEA413.1060804@pigeonhold.com> Dani Pardo wrote: > Yes, not very elegant :) I've donwloaded and installed CD1 for my > laptop at home (no internet there). But now I'd like to install Open > Office and kdevelop, as well as X11 includes and libs, but I don't know > wich of the other 11 CDs to burn.. I should try the second one.. but I'd > prefer to be sure. Do remember you'll need all the dependent packages as well. If you are going to be doing a bit of this, I'd really suggest purchasing a set of all 11 CDs, it's not expensive and it'll save a great deal of grief. Alternatively, why not just download the debs you need from packages.debian.org? Cheers, Doug. -- 6973E2CF: 2C95 66AD 1596 37D2 41FC 609F 76C0 A4EC 6973 E2CF http://adju.st/ -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug