Chaps, Ok so I've just realised why -ef misses the netiq processes - the java but is truncated, and if I specify -elf I get java too. However, I'm still puzzled as to why ps aux | grep java returns no results. S. -- Gllug mailing list - Gllug at gllug.org.uk http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/gllug