[Gllug] [OT] Appreciation

[Juergen Schinker]

Am So, 17.12.2006, 17:29, schrieb Nix:
> On 17 Dec 2006, Juergen Schinker uttered the following:
>> Am Sa, 16.12.2006, 23:40, schrieb Mike Brodbelt:
>>> 4/ Better performance
>>>
>>> For most apps, this is irrelevant - an optimised ls is hardly a win. In
>>> some few specific cases, you may indeed be better off (mplayer comes to
>>> mind, but even there, as long as you can playback full frame, it's fast
>>> enough). However, the cost of that is a vast amount of compute cycles
>>> wasted building stuff over & over again.
>>
>> you have never had the pleasure of optimized mplayer (or openoffice)
>
> Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about.
>
> mplayer detects the CPU in use at runtime, and switches its
> time-critical inner loops to use CPU-optimized code, so your purported
> advantage is negated.

no it explicite recommends compiling it with optimized Flags
read the logs
>
> OpenOffice spends nearly all of its time waiting for the user. The
> longest single delay anywhere is relocation delays imposed by
> OpenOffice's heavy use of dlopen(), and *that* isn't fixable until
> OpenOffice gets restructured to use DT_NEEDED more. I kind of doubt that
> Gentoo has totally rewritten ld-linux.so.2 (in fact I'm sure they
> haven't; they have very few patches to glibc in fact: many fewer than
> Debian) so therefore this problem must be every bit as significant on
> Gentoo as on Debian.

you feel it when it starts up
>
>
> (I must say the actual Gentoo developers are a lot more nuanced about
> the benefits and disadvantages of Gentoo than you are. That's probably
> because they know what they're talking about, rather than having to rely
> on unthinking religious devotion.)

logic as i'm not a developer
>
>>> The best case I can see for using Gentoo is for learning about the
>>> build
>>> tools and how the system hangs together. For that though Linux from
>>> Scratch would be a better choice, on a test system (or an emulated VM
>>> on
>>> your Debian box:-) ).
>>
>> No i run Debian only in an VM on a Gentoo Host;
>
> Uh, if you're running it in a VM then the slowdowns you're seeing are
> probably caused by virtualization overhead.

i didn't say that it slowdowns,how come

but this has been a way to long thread
and i learned a lot about debian
but now its enuff
end of discussion
period
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