[Gllug] VACANCY: Junior Systems Support

[Christopher Hunter]

On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 18:41 +0100, David Damerell wrote:
> On Wednesday, 9 Sep 2009, Christopher Hunter wrote:
> >On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 16:03 +0100, David Damerell wrote:
> >>Thus a return to the jolly Victorian practice of allowing people to
> >>starve to death if they have no work. Brilliant!
> >Yes.  Just like every other SUCCESSFUL country in the world.
> 
> Fortunately this is not even remotely true. If it was, the choice
> between SUCCESS and not having people starving in the streets would
> hardly be the no-brainer you seem to think it is; you'd have to be
> some kind of monster to be willing to buy prosperity for yourself with
> other people's lives.

The "starving in the streets" are a product of a fundamentally indolent,
stupid society.  

I'll give you a clue:  communism was tried and has entirely failed.
Socialism has been tried and has entirely failed.  Each presupposes a
fundamental lack of greed and a basic generosity of spirit.  Hah!  What
nonsense!

> >I'm getting a fixed 1.5% pay rise - that's all my current employer can
> >afford.  I'm in a very senior position, and that equates to just over
> >£1200 per year, of which I will actually see much less than half.  My
> >junior staff get a BIGGER percentage rise, and for some of them that
> >will mean £2250 more per year, most of which they'll keep.
> 
> I guess your employer values them more than you, then. That's hardly
> my fault.

Nope - it's an effort to "equalise" the lower grades.

> >>There's little incentive for effort in the upper band because most
> >>upper-rate taxpayers are extremely well off compared to most of the
> >>people in Britain and, if they don't love money for money's sake, can
> >>live pretty comfortably. So why work harder?
> >I've worked damned hard to get to where I am.
> 
> Bully for you. But do you feel the need to work any _harder_ to get
> anywhere else?

Actually, yes.  I'm working to buy another property in another country,
so that I have the choice of where I live.
> 
> >means of nepotism or "the old school tie" - I worked for it, and earned
> >it - just like ANYONE else can, if they get properly educated and are
> >prepared to work hard for what they want.
> 
> That's a bad case of American-dream you've got there.

Not at all.  It's reality.

>  Everyone cannot succeed. 

Agreed - some people are just too stupid to do anything for themselves.

> No matter how hard everyone works, most people cannot live in nice houses;

Tough.  Everyone can improve their own living conditions if they can be
bothered.

>  the supply of nice houses is not infinite. 

Good.  If you earn one, you're entitled to one.

> We can't all have pleasant white-collar jobs; 

Correct, and the vast majority of people don't DESERVE "pleasant
white-collar jobs".

> someone has to clean the bogs or milk the cows. 

Yes.  Correct.  There are people exactly suited to those kinds of
employment.

> We can't all have jobs, full stop

Perhaps not.

>  - the labour market would be insane 
> if there wasn't a certain number of unemployed people around at any 
> given time. 

Perhaps - but I DO NOT want to support those who DO NOT WANT to work.

C.


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