[Gllug] VACANCY: Junior Systems Support

[Hari Sekhon]

Christopher Hunter wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 14:47 +0100, Lesley wrote:
>   
>>  
>>     
>>> 3 million people in council estates and growing is not a small element 
>>> though, it's a future generational disaster unfolding.
>>>       
>> I fail to see how that holds.   Housing is not to blame for the generational disaster that is
>> unfolding ...housing is mere bricks and mortar or more likely breeze blocks these days. 
>>     
>
> No.  The "generational disaster" is due to poor education (and please
> don't try to tell me that modern education is in any way "good")
+1

> , a lack of discipline (parents are accused of "abuse" if they try to control
> their unruly offspring)
+1
> and a welfare state that suggests that everyone
> has "rights" to a reasonable standard of living - often without working
> for it.
+1

lots of personal experience of this happening, it's widespread and 
degenerate (unfortunately, otherwise I'd be all in favour of life 
without work!).

>   I am sick and tired of having well over half my earnings taken
> by a corrupt government and given to those too lazy to work.
>   
+1


Some people struggling to pay their rent and simultaneously paying the 
tax for others to not worry about it is just silly when you think about it.

>> If you were to start talking on how to rectify exclusionary economic and social strategies of 
>> a class driven society which discriminates so heavily in favour of those more privileged by birth and 
>> against the less fortunate  ... that might be more relevant to that problem.
>>     
>
> Nonsense.  The effective abolition of privilege by successive leftist
> "governments" has led to the virtual destruction of British society.
> Even Thatcher aimed for a "classless society". This country is now so
> badly broken that anyone with a modicum of education or intelligence is
> looking for another country to move to!
True, England is finished in the long run the way it's going, it cannot 
get better now, only worse under this system.

I don't normally read this stuff, but something interesting that I 
stumbled across a while ago related to this topic can be found at the 
link below. It claims that England is still very class ridden society 
(which I'd have to agree that it is class ridden in that the rich die 
rich and the poor have less chance of working their way up than previous 
recent decades which is not meritocratic or progressive IMHO)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-400130/Britain-class-ridden-society.html

The real kicker is that as England becomes more like a socialist and 
"3rd world" country, where are you gonna go?
England is one of the better and more developed countries in the world, 
so to see it devolve and degrade in multiple ways is a real shame 
because there aren't many other places to retreat to even if you could 
get in to those other countries (not to mention the waste of the 
progress previously made in this country and assuming I have no care for 
the country itself being non-ancestral, just taken purely from a logical 
point of view)

> "Privilege by birth" hasn't really existed for some generations in this
> country, and has been completely ended by this current crowd of
> criminals in Westminster.
>   
I cannot agree "privilege by birth" as a logical meritocratic person, 
put the best first and the worst last and things will work well. The 
best may elevate themselves but then having bad/spoilt/useless offspring 
who are so privileged as to not need to compete in any way is something 
to be avoided when there are more deserving/better quality/whatever 
people ready to step up and earn their position in society. I wouldn't 
even want my own children to think it's ok to coast on what I've 
achieved when they should be out there justifying themselves and being 
decent and contributing something to the overall schema of things.

> The British used to understand their personal positions in society, and
> were relatively happy with their lot.  If they didn't like their station
> in life, there were real educational opportunities in REAL schools and
> Universities, which have been ruined by "comprehensive education" and by
> the renaming of every polytechnic and college as a "University", thereby
> destroying any last vestige of credibility that British "education" had.
>   
If people are really good at something, I would like to see those people 
succeed over those who aren't and be much better rewarded as they 
deserve/have worked for, regardless of any other factor like class. From 
that point, the system was better a few decades ago, where people were 
more likely to come up through merit.

-h

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