[Gloucs] gloucs Digest, Vol 366, Issue 1
Sean
msfin303 at yahoo.co.uk
Tue Feb 14 12:29:33 UTC 2012
Hi Glyn
I hope that LUG's does not become inactive. It would be a shame, but understand your predicament...
Another angle that would be worth looking at .....
Please bare with me as I waffle on a bit...
I had a situation recently, where a good friend of mine, had trashed his XP so I helped him install Kubuntu ( as it was the closest to XP ), and thought it would make an easy transition away from windows.
I enjoy Linux and switch between fedora Ubuntu, and there is no doubt the KDE interface is a great "pink and fluffy" i-candy interface. and a great way to make the transition from MSWin. . So I chose to put Kubuntu on his PC
Not a problem
But
It wasn't as easy as I thought.
The fantastic thing about Linux is the huge amount of choice
But this choice comes at a price, leaving a newcomer bewildered confused and frightened of using it
Anyway
After explaining that Linux is not like friggin MS Win for the 94th time, doesnt work the same like friggin MS Win, + hearing the words "Well Ms Win does it like bla bla bla.............." over and over again... Another day of it would have been enough for me to rip his head off lol. ( only kidding)
At the end of the day he was impressed with what he had and what he could do. But at the price of complete hair loss on my part. :-)
The biggest heart-ache for me was trying to show him how to do things through the windows interface (without using terminal). for a nerd like me who loves terminal it was slow and cumbersome . Terminal for a windows user, is like asking him to use dried used lard out of a frying pan in stead of butter on his toast and expecting him to like it.
The reason for all this waffling is ....
Is it worth having a linux evening open to others who want to see what "GNU linux" is all about, a group of us can bring our laptops, to give people an idea of what its like to feel and use linux KDE Gnome LXDE in different forms.
The reason I say this, is to make people realise that "GNU linux" is something not to be afraid of, and can be setup to be easy to use as any other OS out there.
It may need planning, fore thought etc...
Thoughts anyone??????????
Sean
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Today's Topics:
1. Future meetings and/or future of the LUG (Glyn Davies)
2. Re: Future meetings and/or future of the LUG (Gerd Busker)
3. Re: Future meetings and/or future of the LUG (Paul Broadhead)
4. Re: Future meetings and/or future of the LUG (Paul Broadhead)
5. Re: Future meetings and/or future of the LUG (Keith Edmunds)
6. Re: Future meetings and/or future of the LUG (Gerd Busker)
7. Re: Future meetings and/or future of the LUG (Bob Henson)
8. Re: Future meetings and/or future of the LUG (Matthew Phillips)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:18:43 +0000
From: Glyn Davies <glynd at walmore.com>
Subject: [Gloucs] Future meetings and/or future of the LUG
To: Gloucestershire LUG <gloucs at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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Hi all,
Next Tuesday is our next planned meeting date. No talk planned as yet.
Any offers?
Last month Tony turned up as 'back up' talk with more of his Perl
masterclass. Unfortunately, he was the only one to turn up. Thank you
for your effort Tony and sorry it was wasted.
So, this raises the question "Is it worth trying to continue with LUG
meetings?". Have LUGs 'run their course'? Will new initiatives such as
hackerspace kill off LUGs (they certainly won't help)?
Interested in your thoughts. Lack of discussion would imply lack of
interest in which case I'd suggest we state that the LUG is inactive
on the website and leave it for new blood to resurrect. From my PoV as
unelected/adopted meeting arranger it would make things simpler.
Perhaps quarterly socials would be better?
If we continue, it would certainly seem sensible that we get some
confirmed attendees before holding future meetings.
As I said, interested in your thoughts.
--
Best Regards
Glyn Davies
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:25:52 +0000
From: Gerd Busker <busker at busker.org>
Subject: Re: [Gloucs] Future meetings and/or future of the LUG
To: gloucs at mailman.lug.org.uk
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On 13/02/2012 22:18, Glyn Davies wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Next Tuesday is our next planned meeting date. No talk planned as yet.
> Any offers?
>
I'm one of the offenders who came for a while on Tuesdays but now also
has band practice at the same time :(
I'm putting together a presentation on the current state of HPC (The
next gen CPU's, Chipsets, Networks, file systems, management systems,
libraries, Hadoop, etc). Will contain official NDA material!
Happy to talk about this tuesday and forego band practice.
Gerd.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:15:00 +0000
From: Paul Broadhead <lug at twinmoons.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [Gloucs] Future meetings and/or future of the LUG
To: Gloucestershire LUG <gloucs at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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Glyn and Tony,
I'm sure we're all feeling rather bad that the effort was made and no
one showed. Sorry Glyn and sorry Tony in particular. We all have our
reasons but this is a worrying first. May be our LUG has had
it's day, the mailing list is not used much either. Personally, I still
like the idea of getting together to talk Linux but I just can't always
make it on the night. Like others perhaps, I've also run out of things
to present - OK I ran out a long time ago.
Its probably a good idea to get folks to confirm their intention to
attend but we could also consider not meeting every month, changing
days, getting together with other LUGS. I guess we can all think of
things....
Regards,
Paul
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 23:27:22 +0000
From: Paul Broadhead <lug at twinmoons.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [Gloucs] Future meetings and/or future of the LUG
To: Gloucestershire LUG <gloucs at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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Gerd Busker wrote:
> I'm putting together a presentation on the current state of HPC (The
> next gen CPU's, Chipsets, Networks, file systems, management systems,
> libraries, Hadoop, etc). Will contain official NDA material!
> Happy to talk about this tuesday and forego band practice.
That sounds very interesting. Not sure about the NDA though.
Personally, I can can't make this month:(
Regards,
Paul
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:49:05 +0000
From: Keith Edmunds <kae at midnighthax.com>
Subject: Re: [Gloucs] Future meetings and/or future of the LUG
To: gloucs at mailman.lug.org.uk
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On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:25:52 +0000, busker at busker.org said:
> Will contain official NDA material!
Are you intending to insist that all attendees sign an NDA??
--
"You can have everything in life you want if you help enough other people
get what they want" - Zig Ziglar.
Who did you help today?
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 07:51:25 +0000
From: Gerd Busker <busker at busker.org>
Subject: Re: [Gloucs] Future meetings and/or future of the LUG
To: Gloucestershire LUG <gloucs at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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Keith Edmunds wrote:
>> Will contain official NDA material!
>>
>
> Are you intending to insist that all attendees sign an NDA??
>
No, I think I am allowed to show this stuff as long as I don't give the
slides away.
Most of it is findable via theinquirer, the register and other sources
in any case.
Gerd
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:24:33 +0000
From: Bob Henson <robert.h.henson at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Gloucs] Future meetings and/or future of the LUG
To: Gloucestershire LUG <gloucs at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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On 13/02/2012 10:18 PM, Glyn Davies wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Next Tuesday is our next planned meeting date. No talk planned as yet.
> Any offers?
>
> Last month Tony turned up as 'back up' talk with more of his Perl
> masterclass. Unfortunately, he was the only one to turn up. Thank you
> for your effort Tony and sorry it was wasted.
>
> So, this raises the question "Is it worth trying to continue with LUG
> meetings?". Have LUGs 'run their course'? Will new initiatives such as
> hackerspace kill off LUGs (they certainly won't help)?
>
> Interested in your thoughts. Lack of discussion would imply lack of
> interest in which case I'd suggest we state that the LUG is inactive
> on the website and leave it for new blood to resurrect. From my PoV as
> unelected/adopted meeting arranger it would make things simpler.
> Perhaps quarterly socials would be better?
>
> If we continue, it would certainly seem sensible that we get some
> confirmed attendees before holding future meetings.
>
> As I said, interested in your thoughts.
>
I don't know if the views of a lurker in the background are of interest,
but you asked, so here goes. One of my problems is that Tetbury is just
far enough away to be a tad difficult to get to the meetings on time,
but I doubt that has any relevance to the issue. Gloucester is a big
place and many Linux users must be near to what sounds like an excellent
venue.
Your talks seem to be aimed at computer professionals. If not many
experts are turning up, what about the learners? Would "dumbing down"
bring in more people. The talks are way above the level of many ordinary
Linux users, and have not been relevant to a learner like myself. Many
have had little to do with Linux per se - at ordinary user level, at
least. Are existing members sufficiently evangelical about Linux to want
to "spread the word" and increase the number of users out there? Would
that bore you all to tears? I don't know - only you can say.
It might well be that young people or new users generally these days
really aren't interested in how the operating system works (I'm retired
and have time to play around a little with Linux) but perhaps most users
want to *use* a system, not learn about it, in which case there would be
no point in trying to change things in that direction.
Regards,
Bob
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:55:25 +0000
From: Matthew Phillips <phillips321 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Gloucs] Future meetings and/or future of the LUG
To: Gloucestershire LUG <gloucs at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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I now train on a Tuesday night so cannot come, shame it can't be a
Sunday evening :-(
Sent from my iPhone
On 14 Feb 2012, at 09:24, Bob Henson <robert.h.henson at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 13/02/2012 10:18 PM, Glyn Davies wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Next Tuesday is our next planned meeting date. No talk planned as yet.
>> Any offers?
>>
>> Last month Tony turned up as 'back up' talk with more of his Perl
>> masterclass. Unfortunately, he was the only one to turn up. Thank you
>> for your effort Tony and sorry it was wasted.
>>
>> So, this raises the question "Is it worth trying to continue with LUG
>> meetings?". Have LUGs 'run their course'? Will new initiatives such as
>> hackerspace kill off LUGs (they certainly won't help)?
>>
>> Interested in your thoughts. Lack of discussion would imply lack of
>> interest in which case I'd suggest we state that the LUG is inactive
>> on the website and leave it for new blood to resurrect. From my PoV as
>> unelected/adopted meeting arranger it would make things simpler.
>> Perhaps quarterly socials would be better?
>>
>> If we continue, it would certainly seem sensible that we get some
>> confirmed attendees before holding future meetings.
>>
>> As I said, interested in your thoughts.
>>
>
> I don't know if the views of a lurker in the background are of interest,
> but you asked, so here goes. One of my problems is that Tetbury is just
> far enough away to be a tad difficult to get to the meetings on time,
> but I doubt that has any relevance to the issue. Gloucester is a big
> place and many Linux users must be near to what sounds like an excellent
> venue.
>
> Your talks seem to be aimed at computer professionals. If not many
> experts are turning up, what about the learners? Would "dumbing down"
> bring in more people. The talks are way above the level of many ordinary
> Linux users, and have not been relevant to a learner like myself. Many
> have had little to do with Linux per se - at ordinary user level, at
> least. Are existing members sufficiently evangelical about Linux to want
> to "spread the word" and increase the number of users out there? Would
> that bore you all to tears? I don't know - only you can say.
>
> It might well be that young people or new users generally these days
> really aren't interested in how the operating system works (I'm retired
> and have time to play around a little with Linux) but perhaps most users
> want to *use* a system, not learn about it, in which case there would be
> no point in trying to change things in that direction.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>
>
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