[Klug-general] Ubuntu and Kabuntu

[George Prowse]

People need to learn how to edit configs themselves but for gently
letting people into a distro there is no better than YaST.

Ubuntu reminded me of 2 things: Why i moved from Debian to Gentoo and
that rpm needs to die, deb is better.


Karl Lattimer wrote:

>Ethical google "Do no evil" lol
>
>I'm not an ubuntu or kabuntu user or even a SuSE user. I just had to put
>my sixth peneth in about YaST.
>
>YaST should be sent to the black hole that consumed linux conf, and will
>consume webmin. Admittedly a great idea for early linux users, I used to
>advocate things like this, but one thing that I've noticed about all of
>them is that they only incorporate the configuration methods of the few
>developers of the tools.
>
>Linux conf would for instance, break a manual set up of vhosts in apache
>when you tried to configure any of the server defaults via the tool.
>Other items were things like network card driver configuration being
>changed when you open the app and close it without even doing anything.
>Linuxconf taught redhat a very valuable lesson. Generalised
>configuration tools restrict the users movement and can lead to
>breakages in a lot of the system configuration (just look at the windows
>registry), in some cases breakages which cannot be fixed by the tool and
>even on manual repair the tool continues to misbehave. After redhat's 90
>day free support calls went through the roof as a result of linuxconf
>(rh6.2) they ditched it in favour of small specialised fault tolerant
>front ends (system-config-*), this has now become the norm amongst gnome
>and fedora developers. The all in one linux configuration solution is a
>bad idea, yast will probably either get ditched by novell fairly soon or
>be replaced with something simpler/smaller/more specialised.
>
>In simple terms, to learn linux you learn yast, but learning yast
>defeats the point of learning linux, you get apathetic, so you're still
>on the phone/mailing lists etc... trying to get someone to help you fix
>a problem outside of the scope of yast, then when you fire up yast to
>change something simple it breaks the fixes you put in place.
>
>Isn't it much better to have a tool for a specific task too, I can't
>even count the number of times I've been searching through control panel
>for something I KNOW IS THERE but can't find it, EVEN THOUGH I SAW IT IN
>THE LAST VERSION OF WINDOWS... Spreading configuration about makes the
>user look for it, no matter how well designed the front end is. What
>happens if suse decide to move proxy configuration from a well known
>spot to somewhere inside the network settings instead of where it
>USUALLY is ...
>
>You get the point?
>Karl,
>
>On Tue, 2005-06-21 at 14:53 +0000, George Prowse wrote:
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>
>>Useable...  Oh, you mean GNOME is usable?
>>
>>Ethical... You mean they dont kill kittens if you dont use it?
>>
>>Pretty good... I've used better. SuSE 9.3, which has just been released
>>is better for the beginner in my opinion. YaST has grown so much in
>>stature that there is a thread on the Gentoo forums about whether it
>>could be ported to be used on a Gentoo system so newcomers to Gentoo are
>>able to configure their system easily.
>>
>>I very much doubt you're stupid, you're using linux for a start!
>>
>>George
>>
>>
>>aleX Layfield wrote:
>>
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>>
>>>It's useable... and ethically... pretty good...
>>>
>>>For kids? Maybe... but I'm not a kid... just stupid...
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "George Prowse" <cokehabit2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>To: "Kent Linux User Group - General Topics" <kent at mailman.lug.org.uk>
>>>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:07 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Klug-general] Ubuntu and Kabuntu
>>>      
>>>


	
	
		
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