[Klug-general] KLUG IRC Meeting LOG

[Colin McCarthy]

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(20:58:45) Colin: evening all
(20:59:24) danbuntu: hi
(21:00:25) Colin: how's your PC building going? it is all working now?
(21:00:40) danbuntu: finally got it sorted
(21:00:55) danbuntu: got vmware working again tonight so i'm happy
(21:02:19) Colin: cool. so anyone else online for the meeting?  if you are give a shout out.
(21:03:14) danbuntu: well give them a few mins whilst i sort my dinner out
(21:03:40) Colin: ok, i just wolfed down a pizza to get here on time. :-) it was supper yummy.
(21:03:50) boudiccas: yes i'm here
(21:07:19) Colin: cool, once dan as eaten his pot noodle we'll start 
(21:07:56) boudiccas: lol .... i'm going to dissappear about 2130ish as i need an early night
(21:08:21) danbuntu: go go go!
(21:08:33) boudiccas: but if i'm too invloved at that time i'll skip my early night
(21:08:38) ***danbuntu munchs sausage
(21:09:14) danbuntu: what's the plan mary ann?
(21:09:54) Colin: well unless anyone objects to the items in the document or has any suggestions......
(21:10:05) Colin: i think we can just accept it as fact
(21:10:11) boudiccas: I don't feel that we need a committee
(21:10:14) Colin: and go back to watching TV :-)
(21:10:31) boudiccas: I feel that we can continue with an ad hoc structure as we have done in the past
(21:10:43) Colin: maybe not a committee but 'point people' 
(21:10:45) boudiccas: and a benevolent dictaroship
(21:11:06) boudiccas: what do you mena by 'point people'?
(21:11:11) Colin: someone who organises certain elements.
(21:11:23) Colin: like organise the 'Talk' schedule
(21:11:51) boudiccas: sounds like a very loose committee
(21:12:29) Colin: yes a very loose committee ;-)
(21:12:30) danbuntu: I do think we need something
(21:12:39) Colin: without the posh titles 
(21:12:44) Colin: and dreams of power
(21:12:51) danbuntu: i think people think comittee sounds to grown up
(21:12:56) danbuntu: but the fact is
(21:13:01) boudiccas: i'm happy with the way we're running atm
(21:13:08) danbuntu: if colin and i continue to do the website
(21:13:18) danbuntu: then we can be aprt of the web site coomette
(21:13:47) Colin: Kevin can still do meeting location bookings if he was willing to.
(21:13:56) boudiccas: I prefer to phrase it that Colin and danbuntu are in charge of the website
(21:14:17) Colin: how about main points of contact for the website.
(21:14:25) danbuntu: if which case if their is a commitee then we already have two members
(21:14:27) boudiccas: yes, fair enough
(21:14:29) AllenJB: oooh - meeting night
(21:14:36) Colin: the website will be GPL and anyone can submit stuff.
(21:14:44) AllenJB: fun - I can meet while I do my occam-pi programming =)
(21:15:03) boudiccas: but it has to go through Colin  and danbuntu  as moderators
(21:15:12) danbuntu: my worry is that no one was in charge of talks so at the last meet we had three talks, one of which over ran massivly
(21:15:30) Colin: i second danbuntu's point
(21:15:39) boudiccas: danbuntu; this was the meet at Rochester?
(21:15:44) danbuntu: yes
(21:15:57) boudiccas: agreed
(21:15:59) Colin: we need at least someone to say 'next month were are doing this!' and something is organised otherwise nothing could happen
(21:16:06) AllenJB: I think a committe is a good idea - it doesn't have to be particularly formal - just there to make sure things get done
(21:16:22) danbuntu: yes a little gentle persuasion
(21:16:29) Colin: allenjb yes a coordinator 
(21:16:36) Colin: rather than committee member
(21:16:36) boudiccas: i'd rather lead persons were in charge of specific things
(21:16:39) danbuntu: plus someone needs to take the lead
(21:16:40) AllenJB: can I use my baseball bat for that if I'm on it? =P
(21:17:31) Colin: bring it to the klug family picknik and we'll play rounders
(21:17:33) boudiccas: like i do the maidstone social meets and BlackKitty does the canterbury ones
(21:17:46) danbuntu: in all seriousness a committe would help with dealing with problems
(21:17:56) Colin: yes perfect example boudiccas
(21:18:19) boudiccas: to me that is a very loose example of the way we should be organised
(21:18:24) danbuntu: yeah good examples
(21:18:36) Colin: if the KLUG gets larger, which hopefully it will, there will need to be some structure.
(21:18:43) danbuntu: we could do with people willing to do the same in west kent
(21:18:51) boudiccas: surely we could put the syructure in place then
(21:19:00) boudiccas: *structure
(21:19:19) Colin: yes just make it know to all KLUGGERS that there is a structure
(21:19:33) Colin: and these people will corrodinate these things
(21:19:40) danbuntu: and it's called...
(21:19:47) danbuntu: the klug committee
(21:19:47) Colin: a committee?
(21:19:51) Colin: :-)
(21:19:54) boudiccas: I just don't like the idea of agm's and treasurers reports etc
(21:20:07) Colin: you only need an AGM if it has money
(21:20:16) Colin: we are collecting no fee
(21:20:18) danbuntu: but we will need both of those things is money gets involved
(21:20:21) Colin: so no AGM
(21:20:29) Colin: yes, true
(21:20:31) AllenJB: Yeah, I don't think we need to start on things like AGMs and reports at this stage
(21:20:42) Colin: allenjb's baseball bat can be used to collect money.
(21:21:19) danbuntu: yeah extorsion officer
(21:21:29) boudiccas: so, do we continue as we are with 'lead persons' in charge of specific things?
(21:21:38) boudiccas: I vote yes
(21:21:41) danbuntu: yes
(21:21:48) Colin: yes, we make it official.
(21:21:57) AllenJB: yes
(21:21:57) Colin: like listed on website.
(21:22:10) danbuntu: cool so next up who they are and what they do
(21:22:20) boudiccas: with no 'committee meetings' just ad hoc conversations  .... like i had the other day with you Colin 
(21:22:41) Colin: yes, exactly. at this stage that works.
(21:23:09) Colin: if the LUG gets huge or we need money for venues then it will have to be revised.
(21:23:09) danbuntu: bearing in mind a meeting can be organised here and open to all
(21:23:23) boudiccas: agreed
(21:23:24) Colin: yes, total (almost) openness.
(21:23:36) Colin: we are a FLOSS LUG :-)
(21:24:04) boudiccas: i prefer to call it 'a benevolent dictatorship' :)
(21:24:33) ***AllenJB sets mode: +k secret-meetings!  =P
(21:25:05) boudiccas: lol
(21:25:06) AllenJB: (mode +k is channel key for those not used to IRC modes)
(21:25:31) boudiccas: +k means 'keyword'
(21:25:47) Colin: so the ROLE's?
(21:25:47) Colin: Website - Dan and Colin
(21:25:47) Colin: Maidstone Social - Sharon
(21:25:47) Colin: Canterbury Social - Julia
(21:25:47) Colin: Tech Talk Orgraniser - ?
(21:25:47) Colin: Special Meeting Topic Organiser - ?
(21:26:13) boudiccas: ask BlackKitty re tech talk organiser
(21:26:15) Colin: Marketing Event Organiser - ?  (computer fairs?
(21:26:20) boudiccas: she might be willing to do it
(21:26:34) danbuntu: just talk organiser
(21:26:42) danbuntu: don't spilt the two jobs
(21:26:42) Colin: it's a simple job, just need a calender and slotting people in.
(21:27:13) Colin: no? danbuntu.  so how would be organise a special meeting like we did the mythtv meeting?
(21:27:32) danbuntu: we won't - it didn't work
(21:27:44) Colin: or would the tech talks form the bases of a meeting topic.
(21:27:51) boudiccas: if we use google calendar then we might get z00dax from #gllug comin along 
(21:28:05) boudiccas: [gllug =Greater London lug]
(21:28:08) danbuntu: we should organise two talks per meet and perhaps an overall topic of the meet
(21:28:22) danbuntu: and avoid things like 
(21:28:25) danbuntu: talk 1 mysql
(21:28:34) danbuntu: talk 2 postgress
(21:28:41) danbuntu: topic databases
(21:28:56) danbuntu: diversity is the key
(21:29:06) Colin: yes, i agree
(21:29:07) danbuntu: to draw the punters in
(21:29:24) Colin: new punters would mean more workshops and howto sessions.
(21:29:25) boudiccas: you need 'entry level' stuff in the meetings to draw and encourage the newbies
(21:29:34) danbuntu: exactly
(21:29:35) boudiccas: [people like me :o)
(21:29:35) Colin: question and answer day.
(21:29:47) Colin: boudiccas and me
(21:29:48) AllenJB: yeah - I think mwe should aim for something like 1 lowish levle talk, 1 higher level talk and a discussion topic that most people can get to grips with
(21:30:03) boudiccas: one 'easy' topic and one more serious technical one
(21:30:05) Colin: yep excatly.  
(21:30:18) danbuntu: if the techies want to break off and crunch code then thats fine to
(21:30:51) danbuntu: perhaps the overall topic could be based around a group disscusion?
(21:31:05) boudiccas: at the Rochester meeting, the OpenMosix demo was the 'easy' one from my POV
(21:31:11) Colin: yes a recent event in the tux world perhaps.
(21:31:46) danbuntu: people need to be aware of their talks
(21:31:56) danbuntu: i would expect to see some preplanning
(21:32:02) danbuntu: sticking to the time
(21:32:06) boudiccas: the meetings go on too long... we should aim for a maximum length of 3 hours. thats as much as the bum can stand :)
(21:32:09) danbuntu: and sticking to the subject
(21:32:27) danbuntu: yeah short and sweet
(21:32:31) boudiccas: agreed danbuntu 
(21:32:58) danbuntu: I also think they should start at 1 o clock
(21:33:01) Colin: yes no more than 20-30 mins
(21:33:13) danbuntu: and no trolling
(21:33:22) boudiccas: allowing time to move about between talks
(21:33:23) danbuntu: or we set allenjb on them
(21:33:30) boudiccas: having potty breaks
(21:33:40) danbuntu: and question time
(21:34:59) Colin: agreed.
(21:35:03) danbuntu: ok so last role on the list was marketting event organiser
(21:35:16) danbuntu: anyone want to step forward?
(21:35:17) Colin: i am happy to do that.
(21:35:30) danbuntu: excellent
(21:35:36) Colin: i am happy to go to the gillingham computer fairs and do a stand.
(21:35:47) danbuntu: and i'm happy to help
(21:35:55) Colin: i will go when it backs up next to a rochester meeting.
(21:36:01) Colin: for max effect
(21:36:07) boudiccas: god idea
(21:36:09) Colin: so would only be once every three months.
(21:36:09) danbuntu: as we said before i'm sure we can put some kind of fair pack together
(21:36:10) boudiccas: *good
(21:36:27) danbuntu: we just need to get other poeple to use it
(21:36:29) Colin: i have the posters, etc. and with Danbuntu's help its a good day.
(21:36:50) Colin: i think we could have two table with four of use and be the main event.
(21:37:04) danbuntu: i don't think we wilol be able to push it to other people though  - we just have to hope it happens
(21:37:14) Colin: our table was far busier than the other computer help group table.
(21:37:38) Colin: i am sure others would come forward.
(21:37:39) danbuntu: yeah but we very young and funky!
(21:37:57) Colin: and we gave out free stuff!!:-D
(21:38:06) danbuntu: ok so any other roles we need
(21:38:24) danbuntu: we have no leader as such
(21:38:41) danbuntu: and we have to other events organiser
(21:38:51) Colin: i think a collective is better.
(21:38:53) boudiccas: i vote our 'leader' be Colin 
(21:38:53) danbuntu: ie general odd jobs person
(21:39:12) danbuntu: seconded
(21:39:20) Colin: no boudiccas. my designation is 2 of 4
(21:39:25) boudiccas: he seems to have assumed the mantle and be making a good fist of it
(21:39:42) Colin: but i don't know the CLI.
(21:39:54) Colin: i am not Linuxy enough
(21:39:59) danbuntu: agree. I think if/when the new website takes other it will happened naturally anyways
(21:40:04) boudiccas: sorry, this ....'my designation is 2 of 4' has lost me
(21:40:15) Colin: it's from Star Trek
(21:40:19) Colin: and the BORG
(21:40:28) boudiccas: but you're a people person
(21:40:30) danbuntu: see you maynot be linuxy
(21:40:32) Colin: that is my designation at work.
(21:40:33) boudiccas: ah, fair enough
(21:40:35) danbuntu: or know the cli
(21:40:38) danbuntu: but you are a geek
(21:40:41) danbuntu: so you're in
(21:40:51) boudiccas: :o)
(21:41:46) Colin: am I going to be assimilated in to Locutus of Borg
(21:42:16) danbuntu: or dear
(21:42:19) Colin: http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Locutus_of_Borg
(21:42:21) danbuntu: someone reboot him
(21:42:25) boudiccas: lol
(21:42:32) Colin: don't I'll Blue Screen
(21:42:54) Colin: you'll ruin my 'uptime'
(21:43:38) boudiccas: i feel we don't need a 'constitution' just stick with our 'aims'
(21:44:20) danbuntu: agreed.
(21:44:39) danbuntu: so lets tie up lose ends
(21:44:41) boudiccas: they're all-embracing for us as we are
(21:44:48) danbuntu: i suggest
(21:44:56) Colin: yes we should collectively right some AIMS for the KLUG and post on site, so people know what we are about more
(21:44:59) AllenJB: yeah - constitution starts getting into the beuracracy realm again
(21:45:13) danbuntu: we cut this irc log to the mailing list  or website
(21:45:17) AllenJB: aims is good tho =)
(21:45:28) boudiccas: To promote Linux and Open Source throughout Kent
(21:45:28) boudiccas: To help people learn about Linux and solve problems
(21:45:28) boudiccas: To recognise the diversity of people and their needs
(21:45:28) boudiccas: To Have fun and make new friends is enough aims
(21:45:41) danbuntu: we put out a mail detailing the new posts and their owners
(21:46:05) danbuntu: we tidy the google doc as post it as the final version
(21:46:16) boudiccas: agreed
(21:46:53) danbuntu: any objections
(21:47:00) boudiccas: nope
(21:47:27) danbuntu: at some point we will need a code of conduct
(21:47:27) Colin: nope. 'Make it so Number One'
(21:47:38) danbuntu: for the mailing list and irc
(21:47:47) Colin: yes, TOTALLY agree
(21:47:53) danbuntu: we can cull that from hants lug though
(21:48:03) Colin: yes copy and paste is good.
(21:48:15) Colin: find - replace HANTS to KLUG
(21:48:18) Colin: :-)
(21:48:25) boudiccas: :)