[Klug-general] Kent Digest, Vol 464, Issue 1

Wed Sep 24 07:30:57 UTC 2014

"if you look at the marginal cost, then there's no real objection to adding
a Linux driver to the CDROM that they ship anyway. "

the cost of adding it to a cd rom is almost nothing. the cost of writing
the driver, testing across multiple printers and distros, supporting
customers with it and maintaining the code long term however start to stack
up fast.

Long term i actually think the solution to this are network aware printers
that you can just email the thing to be printed to - like the google cloud
print. This completely removes the need for drivers and also makes printing
form phones, tablets, internet of things fridge, smart watch etc possible.

On 24 September 2014 06:49, Thomas Edward Groves <teg451013 at freeuk.com>
wrote:

> Ok I'll have another try at getting their driver and installing it.
>
> My point about forcing honest answers is that, if you look at the marginal
> cost,
> then there's no real objection to adding a Linux driver to the CDROM
> that they ship anyway. So why don't they (and Samsung doesn't for the
> ML-2165)?
>
> I know I sound paranoic but, for some reason, whenever I try to do
> something which everybody else finds easy I fail.
>
> Thanks for the replies, I will try again.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Sinclair <msinclair at mody.me.uk>
> To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <kent at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Klug-general] Kent Digest, Vol 464, Issue 1
>
>
> > Yes, I've tried the Samsungs Unified driver, worked with one of the mono
> > laser printers fine but another scanner/laser printer did not have full
> > functionality of the scanner (only used about 50 sheet, will be selling
> > shortly ... anyone interested?)... Then the Samsung driver started
> > crashing my whole system (Linux Mint / Mate).  I had difficulty cleaning
> > up the mess and getting rid of the driver.  No support given by the
> > Samsung guys, so now I am using Epson and they also have their drivers
> > for Linux now, works much better at the moment.  Nice cheap printer
> > scanners, XP series, I've had a whole lot that I had tested.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On 23/09/14 10:17, Brian Reay wrote:
> > > Well, we live in a free world plus, in the scheme of things, we Linux
> > > people are very much a minority. As a believer in freedom, I'm not
> > > sure I believe in 'forcing' companies to release information for
> > > purely commercial reasons. Safety etc. is, of course, another matter.
> > >
> > > As it happens, BTW, Samsung are one of the good guys. They have a
> > > "Unified Driver", which does the business for my Laser printer, inc.
> > > CUPS support, and works with my Airprint modifications, which allow me
> > > to access my system printers from my IOS devices.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> So why can't someone who can *force* answers ask the printer
> > >> manufacturers
> > >> (Samsung, are you listening?) to explain *honestly* why they don't
> > >> ship CUPS compatible drivers with their products?
> > >>
> > >> This whole driver problem is purely down to the makers of peripherals
> > >> and their bleat of "Linux is a niche market" is just evasion.
> > >>
> > >> I'd like to see one of those Competition Commissioners in Brussels
> > >> start banging heads together.
> > >> Why aren't they?
> > >>
> > >> Sorry about the tone but there are too many people with lots of power
> > >> who simply won't use it for some reason.
> > >>
> > >> Tom
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Brian Reay <brian.reay at gmail.com>
> > >> To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <kent at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> > >> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:38 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [Klug-general] Kent Digest, Vol 464, Issue 1
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> True.
> > >>>
> > >>> But, don't forget things like printers, video cards, etc. Not all
> have
> > >>> drivers which are 'nice' to install for Linux (a point Linus T
> > >>> acknowledges). People like us recognise that isn't really a true
> Linux
> > >>> issue, it is the vendors who don't supply the information or develop
> > >>> drivers, or we can find drivers and install them via the command line
> > >>> etc. However, your average Windows/MacOS user expects them to either
> to
> > >>> just 'be there', come with the printer, or be available from the
> makers
> > >>> website. Suggest he/she needs to open a terminal, type (to him/her) a
> > >>> load of 'black magic nonsense' and chances are they will reach for
> the
> > >>> Windows 8 CD (Yuk).
> > >>>
> > >>> We like the 'black magic' but, most users don't. They just want a
> > >>> machine to do a 'job', they don't 'get off' on the 'black magic' (so
> to
> > >>> speak), they are odd. ;-) Worst of all, many are beyond hope odd,
> they
> > >>> think Windows 8 is good.
> > >>>
> > >>> Brian
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 22/09/14 15:24, Gavin Coles wrote:
> > >>>> The way to get people in to Linux is a long term issue, the best
> > >>>> way for
> > >>>> my own experience to start with software that has cross platform
> > >>>> availability.  So Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice and like.  Once
> > >>>> you
> > >>>> can show that everything they need for their day to day use is
> > >>>> available
> > >>>> on another platform they they are more willing to try dropping
> > >>>> Windows.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 22/09/14 15:15, kent-request at mailman.lug.org.uk wrote:
> > >>>>> Don't forget the issue of the average user (employee). They will
> > >>>>> almost
> > >>>>> certainly use Windows Applications at home, or have come from
> > >>>>> employers
> > >>>>> which use them, or educational establishments which taught them.
> > >>>
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