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[Wayne Ward]

Well worded dave!
Sounds about right - yes i agree with you good to see the emails flying
about! - although im still not certain if i can put the last flyer andy
sent out if we can make a decision - even if they need work still i was
wanting to get a couple up in places were i know people will be
interested in the meetings and not to worried about the looks of the
poster etc..  and i an change it when we get the final product :-)

 anyway..

how you doing anyway dave was the holiday good.

How you finding the openmoko
The google phone is real cool but the battery can be a pain in the
backside! Plenty of good apps available and im getting around 2 or 3
apps available each day. Ive also found copy and paste which we couldnt
find on the iphone at the last meeting. Ive disabled gps and wireless
networks and decreased screen brightness and screen light timeout to 30
seconds to hopefully get a full day out of the phone which is a bit
disappointing. I seems t be something to do with t mobiles reception -
if i sit and work in my front room all day it seems to last the whole
day and in the front room were i get good reception - in the office
which is the back off the house and has a poor reception infact it
hardly works in there its seems to last just under a day which is a pain
really. Its still early days yet so could be a firmware version that
fixes it or a better battery might come to light.. until then disable
all the features i bought the phone for :-0

Has anyone tried ubuntu studio 8.10 - i was going to install as i cant
get realtime kernel and raw1394 working on ubuntu 8.10 - But when i went
to download on the bottom of the page it says no realtime kernel support
till the .1 version!!

Strange i dont know a version of 64 bit linux with realtime with up2date
packages! 64studio is awesome but has old packages old kernel etc -
ubuntu studio all the latest packages and kernel but no realtime
kernel!! 
Other options JAD which is based on suse and only 32 bit versions
available and gentoo which takes ages to install and configure
so im going to wait till ubuntu studio 8.10 +1 i think or might try
64studio version 3 again debian is solid but the packages are just old
unless you run sid and then your on the real bleeding edge?!

I must say im happy with ubuntu intrepid its solid lots of good support
available - decent packages available - a update notifier something
which i havent had for a few years on debian - effects worked out of the
box with one monitor but desktop effects wont work with my dual monitor
config and as mentioned no RT and raw1394 - evolution now connects to
google services and seems very slick! I also tried a older RT kernel
from the repositories and added the rlimits settings but still got no
realtime.

anyone got any other suggestions for multimedia distro i have a wish
list!!..

gnome 2.24.1 or newer
update notifier
evolution 2.24.1.1
network manager (handy for laptop)
firefox 3
rt-kernel
raw134 module that works!

On another subject im getting a new toy the acer one this week ill bring
it to the next meeting - you can pick them up for like £170 now and it
has a higher resolution than the 701 and its cheaper than the 901. The
quality looked good from what ive seen so far unless anyone knows any
different..

Regards
wayne :-)


On Sun, 2008-11-23 at 23:11 +0000, Dave Smith wrote:
> andy baxter wrote:
> > It would be really good to get some views from other members of the group.
> 
> Right, I'll play. :)
> 
> First off, thanks to both Andy and Ken for taking the time out to put 
> together different ideas for posters, and for the subsequent discussion 
> that's spawned from it.
> 
> I'm afraid I'm going to sound incredibly political and diplomatic when I 
> say I think both have them have got application in their own rights, but 
> that is pretty much how I see it.
> 
> Personally, I've never been much involved / taken much interest in 
> detailed approaches to advertising before, and as such, the limited 
> forays I've had into it I've been massively in favour of the KISS 
> approach, primarily because it requires less effort on my part in coming 
> up with the wordy parts!
> However, I can appreciate that there are times / locations, where the 
> more detailed posters (more like a leaflet, in many ways) are probably 
> better received and, to take Andy's idea of where to put his style of 
> poster, on the notice board in the Gregson centre is probably one of 
> those (in my opinion).
> The reason I say that is that inside a building, on a notice board 
> (where people go to purposefully search and 'notice' things), I've 
> always been of the belief is the sort of spot where people who have 
> their eye caught, will be quite happy to stand and read in much more 
> detail than a flyer they may pass on a wall or column in the street. 
> Sure, they've got to stand up, but other than that they're inside, warm, 
> maybe enjoying a lovely beer, etc. and, in short, don't really feel a 
> need to rush - they went to the notice board to have a look about, after 
> all...
> As such, in those sorts of locations, my personal preference leans 
> towards Andy's design - perhaps the wording could be changed slightly 
> but, fundamentally, I have no problems with it in its current format 
> and, in fact, I actually liked the logos top and bottom as it provides 
> the bit of colour / imagery in a border role that would catch the eye of 
> someone glancing at a notice board enough for them to read further. 
> LINUX is clearly prominent there as well to provide the reader with an 
> idea as to the subject matter. Either they'll know it, or they won't.
> 
> As regards Ken's poster, which I personally see as being applicable (or 
> perhaps I should say 'better applied') in an outdoor environment, and is 
> closer to the limited amount of advertising I've done for diffferent 
> projects before.
> It's short, it's to the point, and it has a point of contact (in our 
> case, the web address) clearly visible and easily memorable. Whilst it 
> doesn't skimp on the details, it keeps things to a bare minimum - 
> perfect for catching the attention of someone busily walking to or from 
> work / the shops / the pub / school / whatever. It doesn't trouble them 
> with having to decide to spend a (relatively) long time reading the 
> block of text that explains the poster. Indeed, the majority of readers 
> can probably glean the information they want whilst they're walking past.
> 
> - - - -
> 
> As a more general note, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I 
> reckon we should assume a minimum level of knowledge with posters, 
> particularly at this time. Whilst we can definitely work on the wording 
> of posters to keep things as easily understandable as we want, I think 
> we'd need to accept that, at first, we're not realistically going to be 
> appealing to complete new users in the majority - perhaps if we had odd 
> Install Days or for some of the demos we may get new or soon-to-be-new 
> users coming down for them and, indeed, we may get new users on here 
> asking questions before getting chance to come down to the meetings, but 
> I think we definitely run the risk of being overly cautious if, at this 
> stage, we're worrying too much about confusing completely new or even 
> non-users.
> And, I know, that comes across as a bit rash, but let me explain.
> Half of the point of these posters is to advertise the fact that the LUG 
> is here to ask questions and share knowledge (take this list, as a prime 
> example). We simply don't _need_ to worry about making them _completely_ 
> n00b proof. If what's there catches their interest, and they get the 
> message that there is a website for them to check (which in turn shows 
> the mailing list for discussions), and informs them that they can come 
> meet some of us at the Brit on the first Wednesday of every month, then 
> they have plenty of opportunities to ask questions about the things that 
> confuse them.
> Ken, I believe we're both (if not all) in agreement that the sheer 
> number of distributions out there can be a source of confusion to people 
> trying to move to Linux, but I don't agree that including a few 
> distribution logos at the top and bottom of the poster is a huge problem 
> (for the Poster that includes a solid wall of text and generally 
> requires and expects a bit more reading), particularly with the 
> abundance of the Tuxes and GNUs.
> At the end of the day, if it gets people here, asking questions and 
> promoting more fun discussions both here and at the pub, and ultimately 
> leads to different demos, talks and the like then all the better.
> I, for one, would love to see a demo from a genuinely new Linux user (of 
> any distribution) to see how they've found it - I find it harder and 
> harder to guess at how people will perceive things these days after 
> spending more and more time in Linux myself.
> 
> 
> - - - -
> 
> Anyway, I've already gone on much longer than I originally intended, but 
> I hope it adds my 2 cents constructively! :)
> 
> As mentioned at first, thanks again to both of you for the time put in 
> and thanks for the discussion generated - I wanted to get involved 
> earlier but also wanted to take some more time to stand back and see how 
> it developed.
> Wayne - I wouldn't worry too much about lots of emails about a poster - 
> it's all well-meaning (as I read it) and it's always better in my 
> opinion to see lots of emails firing across the list than it being 
> stagnant as it has been for different periods of time in the past!
> 
> I'm sure there'll be something I've missed, and when I finally get 
> around to re-reading this I'll probably wince once or twice and think, 
> 'Doh! That could have been phrased better', but there we go - that's the 
> nature of the beast when it comes to internet communication!
> 
> As a final note, here's a little reminder as to why we love Linux so, 
> and perhaps why we're all here:
> http://xkcd.com/196/
> 
> :)
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dave
> 
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