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I think Java and PHP are for different things. I have
been a Java programmer since 1997. I do coding on my
job and make a living with it. Recently, I wanted to
create a website for kids' math, I couldn't find a
good open source java package for it. I searched on
the web and found there are many good open source PHP
packages there that may be good for the purpose.
I spent a month (a couple of hours each day) on
creating www.mathpotd.org
with Drupal. I think Drupal is well suited for
the job. I don't believe I could do it in Java.
Java may be just for so-called enterprise applications
-- companies hire high paid Java programmer for their
good or bad systems.
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From phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk Mon Dec 4 23:23:00 2006
From: phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk (Phil Beynon)
Date: Mon Dec 4 23:23:01 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
In-Reply-To: <20061204195323.98259.qmail@web42404.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
>
> I think Java and PHP are for different things. I have
> been a Java programmer since 1997. I do coding on my
> job and make a living with it. Recently, I wanted to
> create a website for kids' math, I couldn't find a
> good open source java package for it. I searched on
> the web and found there are many good open source PHP
> packages there that may be good for the purpose.
>
>
>
> I spent a month (a couple of hours each day) on
> creating www.mathpotd.org
> with Drupal. I think Drupal is well suited for
> the job. I don't believe I could do it in Java.
>
>
> Java may be just for so-called enterprise applications
> -- companies hire high paid Java programmer for their
> good or bad systems.
>
Its an interesting idea for a site.
Its running off the page in 1024 x 768 resolution by the way!
Is the logo an alloy wheel off a car by any chance?
Phil
From theology at gmail.com Mon Dec 4 23:28:05 2006
From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth Green)
Date: Mon Dec 4 23:28:06 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
In-Reply-To:
References: <20061204195323.98259.qmail@web42404.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
Great example of a drupal site. However, for the basic maths
questions, forcing me to register is a bit dull.
From wayne at machx.co.uk Mon Dec 4 23:34:03 2006
From: wayne at machx.co.uk (Wayne Morris)
Date: Mon Dec 4 23:34:04 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
In-Reply-To:
References: <20061204195323.98259.qmail@web42404.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4574B04B.2030508@machx.co.uk>
Zeth Green wrote:
> Great example of a drupal site. However, for the basic maths
> questions, forcing me to register is a bit dull.
>
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From phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk Mon Dec 4 23:53:40 2006
From: phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk (Phil Beynon)
Date: Mon Dec 4 23:53:42 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
> Great example of a drupal site. However, for the basic maths
> questions, forcing me to register is a bit dull.
>
Hehe, I noticed that as well.
it seems kinda slow to me, the question takes a while to appear.
How come some of the text questions are displayed as graphics?
1) they look slightly fuzzy
2) its an incredibly inefficient way of storing text
3) it means no one can resize the text font. - partially sighted people
might want to use the site as well and you just eliminated its usefulness
for them.
I take it by K1 etc you mean Key stage 1 - but there's no explanation on the
site.
Why do they need to register, why no visible privacy policy, what stats is
the site gathering about users??
Why can't anyone contact you without registering??
Links should have a disclaimer on there with a contact if something leads to
somewhere inappropriate.
The 'kids hot books' link gibes no indication where it is going to go to,
mention Amazon in the text for that.
on teh registration page - which loaded incredibly slowly for me - it has
little red stars, whihc i take it to signify that fields must be completed,
a kid may not though.
Why the heck do thay have to complete a math problem to register, I don't
have to prove I can read to sign up for Amazon?
Why is the paypal donate value in US dollars?
Phil
From zwu_ca at yahoo.com Tue Dec 5 04:27:08 2006
From: zwu_ca at yahoo.com (Zhou Wu)
Date: Tue Dec 5 04:27:10 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20061205042655.8507.qmail@web42406.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Thank you very much for the comments. The website was
just set up (did it in a month). I appreciated your
opinions very much and hopefully change it in a couple
of days.
--- Phil Beynon
wrote:
> > Great example of a drupal site. However, for the
> basic maths
> > questions, forcing me to register is a bit dull.
> >
>
> Hehe, I noticed that as well.
>
> it seems kinda slow to me, the question takes a
> while to appear.
>
> How come some of the text questions are displayed as
> graphics?
> 1) they look slightly fuzzy
> 2) its an incredibly inefficient way of storing text
> 3) it means no one can resize the text font. -
> partially sighted people
> might want to use the site as well and you just
> eliminated its usefulness
> for them.
>
> I take it by K1 etc you mean Key stage 1 - but
> there's no explanation on the
> site.
>
> Why do they need to register, why no visible privacy
> policy, what stats is
> the site gathering about users??
>
> Why can't anyone contact you without registering??
> Links should have a disclaimer on there with a
> contact if something leads to
> somewhere inappropriate.
> The 'kids hot books' link gibes no indication where
> it is going to go to,
> mention Amazon in the text for that.
>
> on teh registration page - which loaded incredibly
> slowly for me - it has
> little red stars, whihc i take it to signify that
> fields must be completed,
> a kid may not though.
> Why the heck do thay have to complete a math problem
> to register, I don't
> have to prove I can read to sign up for Amazon?
>
> Why is the paypal donate value in US dollars?
>
> Phil
>
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From public.darren.beale at siftware.co.uk Tue Dec 5 09:43:53 2006
From: public.darren.beale at siftware.co.uk (Darren Beale)
Date: Tue Dec 5 09:43:54 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <000001c71851$bbb976a0$1402a8c0@int.siftware.co.uk>
> How come some of the text questions are displayed as graphics?
> 1) they look slightly fuzzy
> 2) its an incredibly inefficient way of storing text
> 3) it means no one can resize the text font. - partially
> sighted people might want to use the site as well and you
> just eliminated its usefulness for them.
*cough*
http://www.infolinkelectronics.co.uk/
Something about glass houses :)
db
From phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk Tue Dec 5 10:06:30 2006
From: phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk (Phil Beynon)
Date: Tue Dec 5 10:06:31 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
In-Reply-To: <000001c71851$bbb976a0$1402a8c0@int.siftware.co.uk>
Message-ID:
> > How come some of the text questions are displayed as graphics?
> > 1) they look slightly fuzzy
> > 2) its an incredibly inefficient way of storing text
> > 3) it means no one can resize the text font. - partially
> > sighted people might want to use the site as well and you
> > just eliminated its usefulness for them.
>
> *cough*
>
> http://www.infolinkelectronics.co.uk/
>
> Something about glass houses :)
>
> db
>
Ha Ha, can't argue with that Darren!
But on the other hand that site was done way back in early 2001 - I've
learned quite a bit and done about 175+ other sites since then!
Its actually just about due for a major rewrite, it comes under the
classification of the mechanics car being the tattiest!
Phil
From pickledegg at hotmail.co.uk Tue Dec 5 10:43:26 2006
From: pickledegg at hotmail.co.uk (Chris Allen)
Date: Tue Dec 5 10:43:30 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Upgrading PHP Version on server.
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
I am about to upgrade the version of PHP on a server and need the advice of
as many gurus as possible, hence me posting on this list ;)
The company linux server hosts websites for about 60 clients, and I need to
make the right choice so I don't break anything.
The version at the moment is 4.1.2 (OLD!!) and the link to the phpinfo is:
http://www.cms.istl.com/phpinfo.php
But this is too old for the new framework I am using (codeigniter) as this
requires a minimum of 4.3 to run.
I am trying to decide on which version is best to upgrade to, ideally it
would be v5.2, which is the very latest official release, but I am thinking
that could potentially cause problems with old code? I have no idea exactly
what php code is on the server, but I do know that there is a complex
invoice application running.
Would it be safe to upgrade to v4.4.4, which is the latest of the 'fours',
or would it be wise to make the jump to the 'fives'?
I hold my breath and await your words of wisdom :)
Chris.
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> 1. Java vs.PHP (Zhou Wu)
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> 3. RE: Java vs.PHP (Phil Beynon)
> 4. Re: Java vs.PHP (Zeth Green)
> 5. Re: Java vs.PHP (Wayne Morris)
> 6. RE: Java vs.PHP (Phil Beynon)
> 7. RE: Java vs.PHP (Zhou Wu)
> 8. RE: Java vs.PHP (Darren Beale)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 11:53:23 -0800 (PST)
>From: Zhou Wu
>Subject: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
>To: phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
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>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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>
>I think Java and PHP are for different things. I have
>been a Java programmer since 1997. I do coding on my
>job and make a living with it. Recently, I wanted to
>create a website for kids' math, I couldn't find a
>good open source java package for it. I searched on
>the web and found there are many good open source PHP
>packages there that may be good for the purpose.
>
>
>
>I spent a month (a couple of hours each day) on
>creating www.mathpotd.org
> with Drupal. I think Drupal is well suited for
>the job. I don't believe I could do it in Java.
>
>
>Java may be just for so-called enterprise applications
>-- companies hire high paid Java programmer for their
>good or bad systems.
>
>
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________________________
>Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it
>now.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:09:27 -0800
>From: "Rayhan Abdulmughnee"
>Subject: RE: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
>To: phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
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>
>Nice site you got there. Very impressive.
>
>rayhan
>
>----Original Message Follows----
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>I think Java and PHP are for different things. I have
>been a Java programmer since 1997. I do coding on my
>job and make a living with it. Recently, I wanted to
>create a website for kids' math, I couldn't find a
>good open source java package for it. I searched on
>the web and found there are many good open source PHP
>packages there that may be good for the purpose.
>
>
>
>I spent a month (a couple of hours each day) on
>creating www.mathpotd.org
> with Drupal. I think Drupal is well suited for
>the job. I don't believe I could do it in Java.
>
>
>Java may be just for so-called enterprise applications
>-- companies hire high paid Java programmer for their
>good or bad systems.
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 23:22:44 -0000
>From: "Phil Beynon"
>Subject: RE: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
>To: "West Midlands PHP User Group"
>Message-ID:
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> >
> > I think Java and PHP are for different things. I have
> > been a Java programmer since 1997. I do coding on my
> > job and make a living with it. Recently, I wanted to
> > create a website for kids' math, I couldn't find a
> > good open source java package for it. I searched on
> > the web and found there are many good open source PHP
> > packages there that may be good for the purpose.
> >
> >
> >
> > I spent a month (a couple of hours each day) on
> > creating www.mathpotd.org
> > with Drupal. I think Drupal is well suited for
> > the job. I don't believe I could do it in Java.
> >
> >
> > Java may be just for so-called enterprise applications
> > -- companies hire high paid Java programmer for their
> > good or bad systems.
> >
>
>Its an interesting idea for a site.
>Its running off the page in 1024 x 768 resolution by the way!
>
>Is the logo an alloy wheel off a car by any chance?
>
>Phil
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 23:27:57 +0000
>From: "Zeth Green"
>Subject: Re: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
>To: "West Midlands PHP User Group"
>Message-ID:
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Great example of a drupal site. However, for the basic maths
>questions, forcing me to register is a bit dull.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2006 23:33:31 +0000
>From: Wayne Morris
>Subject: Re: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>Message-ID: <4574B04B.2030508@machx.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Zeth Green wrote:
> > Great example of a drupal site. However, for the basic maths
> > questions, forcing me to register is a bit dull.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>And leaning towards the paranoid, is it a good idea to record data from
>children without some transparency and safeguards
>in place - lest someone starts waving fingers?
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 23:53:23 -0000
>From: "Phil Beynon"
>Subject: RE: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
>To: "West Midlands PHP User Group"
>Message-ID:
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> > Great example of a drupal site. However, for the basic maths
> > questions, forcing me to register is a bit dull.
> >
>
>Hehe, I noticed that as well.
>
>it seems kinda slow to me, the question takes a while to appear.
>
>How come some of the text questions are displayed as graphics?
>1) they look slightly fuzzy
>2) its an incredibly inefficient way of storing text
>3) it means no one can resize the text font. - partially sighted people
>might want to use the site as well and you just eliminated its usefulness
>for them.
>
>I take it by K1 etc you mean Key stage 1 - but there's no explanation on
>the
>site.
>
>Why do they need to register, why no visible privacy policy, what stats is
>the site gathering about users??
>
>Why can't anyone contact you without registering??
>Links should have a disclaimer on there with a contact if something leads
>to
>somewhere inappropriate.
>The 'kids hot books' link gibes no indication where it is going to go to,
>mention Amazon in the text for that.
>
>on teh registration page - which loaded incredibly slowly for me - it has
>little red stars, whihc i take it to signify that fields must be completed,
>a kid may not though.
>Why the heck do thay have to complete a math problem to register, I don't
>have to prove I can read to sign up for Amazon?
>
>Why is the paypal donate value in US dollars?
>
>Phil
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:26:55 -0800 (PST)
>From: Zhou Wu
>Subject: RE: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>Message-ID: <20061205042655.8507.qmail@web42406.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
>Thank you very much for the comments. The website was
>just set up (did it in a month). I appreciated your
>opinions very much and hopefully change it in a couple
>of days.
>
>
>
>--- Phil Beynon
>wrote:
>
> > > Great example of a drupal site. However, for the
> > basic maths
> > > questions, forcing me to register is a bit dull.
> > >
> >
> > Hehe, I noticed that as well.
> >
> > it seems kinda slow to me, the question takes a
> > while to appear.
> >
> > How come some of the text questions are displayed as
> > graphics?
> > 1) they look slightly fuzzy
> > 2) its an incredibly inefficient way of storing text
> > 3) it means no one can resize the text font. -
> > partially sighted people
> > might want to use the site as well and you just
> > eliminated its usefulness
> > for them.
> >
> > I take it by K1 etc you mean Key stage 1 - but
> > there's no explanation on the
> > site.
> >
> > Why do they need to register, why no visible privacy
> > policy, what stats is
> > the site gathering about users??
> >
> > Why can't anyone contact you without registering??
> > Links should have a disclaimer on there with a
> > contact if something leads to
> > somewhere inappropriate.
> > The 'kids hot books' link gibes no indication where
> > it is going to go to,
> > mention Amazon in the text for that.
> >
> > on teh registration page - which loaded incredibly
> > slowly for me - it has
> > little red stars, whihc i take it to signify that
> > fields must be completed,
> > a kid may not though.
> > Why the heck do thay have to complete a math problem
> > to register, I don't
> > have to prove I can read to sign up for Amazon?
> >
> > Why is the paypal donate value in US dollars?
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
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>Message: 8
>Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:42:51 -0000
>From: "Darren Beale"
>Subject: RE: [Phpwm] Java vs.PHP
>To: "'West Midlands PHP User Group'"
>Message-ID: <000001c71851$bbb976a0$1402a8c0@int.siftware.co.uk>
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>
> > How come some of the text questions are displayed as graphics?
> > 1) they look slightly fuzzy
> > 2) its an incredibly inefficient way of storing text
> > 3) it means no one can resize the text font. - partially
> > sighted people might want to use the site as well and you
> > just eliminated its usefulness for them.
>
>*cough*
>
>http://www.infolinkelectronics.co.uk/
>
>Something about glass houses :)
>
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>
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From elliot at townx.org Tue Dec 5 10:56:32 2006
From: elliot at townx.org (Elliot Smith)
Date: Tue Dec 5 10:56:34 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Upgrading PHP Version on server.
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <45755040.7060100@townx.org>
Chris Allen wrote:
> I am about to upgrade the version of PHP on a server and need the
> advice of as many gurus as possible, hence me posting on this list ;)
>
> The company linux server hosts websites for about 60 clients, and I
> need to make the right choice so I don't break anything.
>
> The version at the moment is 4.1.2 (OLD!!) and the link to the phpinfo
> is:
>
> http://www.cms.istl.com/phpinfo.php
>
> But this is too old for the new framework I am using (codeigniter) as
> this requires a minimum of 4.3 to run.
>
> I am trying to decide on which version is best to upgrade to, ideally
> it would be v5.2, which is the very latest official release, but I am
> thinking that could potentially cause problems with old code? I have
> no idea exactly what php code is on the server, but I do know that
> there is a complex invoice application running.
As I understand it, you can run PHP 5 in PHP 4 compatibility mode, which
should mean old PHP code continues to run as normal. It's not something
I've tried myself. The directive is called:
zend.ze1_compatibility_mode
and should be set to 1 in php.ini to turn it on. You might also have a
look at:
http://www.zend.com/manual/migration5.php.
Elliot
>
> Would it be safe to upgrade to v4.4.4, which is the latest of the
> 'fours', or would it be wise to make the jump to the 'fives'?
>
> I hold my breath and await your words of wisdom :)
>
> Chris.
>
From david at codepoets.co.uk Tue Dec 5 10:58:02 2006
From: david at codepoets.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Tue Dec 5 10:58:03 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Upgrading PHP Version on server.
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20061205105734.GA22593@codepoets.co.uk>
Chris Allen wrote :
> I am about to upgrade the version of PHP on a server and need the advice of
> as many gurus as possible, hence me posting on this list ;)
>
> The company linux server hosts websites for about 60 clients, and I need to
> make the right choice so I don't break anything.
>
> The version at the moment is 4.1.2 (OLD!!) and the link to the phpinfo is:
>
> http://www.cms.istl.com/phpinfo.php
>
> But this is too old for the new framework I am using (codeigniter) as this
> requires a minimum of 4.3 to run.
>
> I am trying to decide on which version is best to upgrade to, ideally it
> would be v5.2, which is the very latest official release, but I am thinking
> that could potentially cause problems with old code? I have no idea exactly
> what php code is on the server, but I do know that there is a complex
> invoice application running.
>
> Would it be safe to upgrade to v4.4.4, which is the latest of the 'fours',
> or would it be wise to make the jump to the 'fives'?
>
> I hold my breath and await your words of wisdom :)
>
> Chris.
Hi Chris,
Your problem will be that any upgrade in from 4.1 could result in
problems - e.g. register globals being turned on/off by default etc.
See : http://uk2.php.net/releases/4_2_0.php - so you may need to edit
php.ini ...
And http://uk2.php.net/releases/4_4_0.php
I'd probably upgrade to 4.4.0, as i think upgrading to 5.X may be too
painful (i.e. people phone up saying their site no longer works).
If possible, it might be preferable to use a different server for php
5.X?
thanks
David.
--
David Goodwin
[ david at codepoets dot co dot uk ]
[ http://www.codepoets.co.uk ]
From elliot at townx.org Tue Dec 5 11:01:55 2006
From: elliot at townx.org (Elliot Smith)
Date: Tue Dec 5 11:01:56 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Upgrading PHP Version on server.
In-Reply-To: <45755040.7060100@townx.org>
References:
<45755040.7060100@townx.org>
Message-ID: <45755191.1070102@townx.org>
Elliot Smith wrote:
> Chris Allen wrote:
>> I am about to upgrade the version of PHP on a server and need the
>> advice of as many gurus as possible, hence me posting on this list ;)
>>
>> The company linux server hosts websites for about 60 clients, and I
>> need to make the right choice so I don't break anything.
>>
>> The version at the moment is 4.1.2 (OLD!!) and the link to the
>> phpinfo is:
>>
>> http://www.cms.istl.com/phpinfo.php
>>
>> But this is too old for the new framework I am using (codeigniter) as
>> this requires a minimum of 4.3 to run.
>>
>> I am trying to decide on which version is best to upgrade to, ideally
>> it would be v5.2, which is the very latest official release, but I am
>> thinking that could potentially cause problems with old code? I have
>> no idea exactly what php code is on the server, but I do know that
>> there is a complex invoice application running.
> As I understand it, you can run PHP 5 in PHP 4 compatibility mode,
> which should mean old PHP code continues to run as normal. It's not
> something I've tried myself. The directive is called:
>
> zend.ze1_compatibility_mode
>
> and should be set to 1 in php.ini to turn it on. You might also have a
> look at:
>
> http://www.zend.com/manual/migration5.php.
>
> Elliot
One other thought: you could install both and turn PHP 5 on selectively
for individual hosts or applications in subdirectories, e.g. by adding
this line to .htaccess (if on Apache):
AddHandler application/x-httpd-php5 .php
(At least, this is how I do it on my hosting.)
Elliot
>
>>
>> Would it be safe to upgrade to v4.4.4, which is the latest of the
>> 'fours', or would it be wise to make the jump to the 'fives'?
>>
>> I hold my breath and await your words of wisdom :)
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>
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From theology at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 12:38:56 2006
From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth Green)
Date: Tue Dec 5 12:38:58 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Upgrading PHP Version on server.
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID:
> But this is too old for the new framework I am using (codeigniter) as this
> requires a minimum of 4.3 to run.
>
> I am trying to decide on which version is best to upgrade to, ideally it
> would be v5.2, which is the very latest official release, but I am thinking
> that could potentially cause problems with old code? I have no idea exactly
If you really have to upgrade PHP then I would not go beyond 4.4.4,
going up to 5 almost certainly will cause breakages with older code.
On my server I have both 4 and 5, and I expect to be keeping 4 for a
long time yet.
Going up the the latest 4 will have a number of security benefits.
With a shared server, sometimes you might need to break a little badly
written code to ensure the box is secure for everyone else.
The key is communication, i.e. "For increased security and
functionality, we have upgraded to the latest version of PHP4, please
test your PHP code and applications and upgrade them accordingly".
From david at codepoets.co.uk Tue Dec 5 15:27:22 2006
From: david at codepoets.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Tue Dec 5 15:27:25 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Beginners PHP Training course: OpenAdvantage 15th - 19th of
Jan
Message-ID: <20061205152702.GA22638@codepoets.co.uk>
Hi,
I've forgotten to mention, but we're [1] doing a training course @ Open
Advantage in Janruary ... if anyone's a newbie to PHP, they may find
this to be useful.
See
http://www.openadvantage.org/events/php_mysql_2007011519
for more info.
thanks
David.
1 - We === Pale Purple[.co.uk]
--
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[ david at codepoets dot co dot uk ]
[ http://www.codepoets.co.uk ]
From phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk Tue Dec 5 15:54:34 2006
From: phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk (Phil Beynon)
Date: Tue Dec 5 15:54:35 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Upgrading PHP Version on server.
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
> I am about to upgrade the version of PHP on a server and need the
> advice of
> as many gurus as possible, hence me posting on this list ;)
>
> The company linux server hosts websites for about 60 clients, and
> I need to
> make the right choice so I don't break anything.
>
> The version at the moment is 4.1.2 (OLD!!) and the link to the phpinfo is:
>
> http://www.cms.istl.com/phpinfo.php
>
> But this is too old for the new framework I am using
> (codeigniter) as this
> requires a minimum of 4.3 to run.
>
> I am trying to decide on which version is best to upgrade to, ideally it
> would be v5.2, which is the very latest official release, but I
> am thinking
> that could potentially cause problems with old code? I have no
> idea exactly
> what php code is on the server, but I do know that there is a complex
> invoice application running.
>
> Would it be safe to upgrade to v4.4.4, which is the latest of the
> 'fours',
> or would it be wise to make the jump to the 'fives'?
>
> I hold my breath and await your words of wisdom :)
>
> Chris.
>
Chris,
There are a few issues I had when I took the main server to V5, nothing that
couldn't get sorted in a day or two though, but it did require a quite a bit
of revalidation for existing code.
If you need LAMP hosting space with V5 then give me an email off list, I
already do this for a few people selling / designing sites.
Phil
From kat at codepoets.co.uk Wed Dec 6 15:14:03 2006
From: kat at codepoets.co.uk (Katherine Goodwin)
Date: Wed Dec 6 15:14:05 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Beginners PHP Training course: OpenAdvantage 15th - 19th
of Jan
In-Reply-To: <20061205152702.GA22638@codepoets.co.uk>
References: <20061205152702.GA22638@codepoets.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20061206151334.GA13404@codepoets.co.uk>
David Goodwin wrote :
> Hi,
>
> I've forgotten to mention, but we're [1] doing a training course @ Open
> Advantage in Janruary ... if anyone's a newbie to PHP, they may find
> this to be useful.
>
It actually shouldn't be a beginners one - its for people who have
programmed in other languages and want to try PHP.
OA are going to change the description for us soon...
We did the beginners
one back in September, and it was really hard to find people of similar
skill levels / experience. Also, bearing in mind it can take a really
long time for programming to "click" with people, 5 intensive days is,
IMO, really not the best way of running a course like that...
Kat
> See
> http://www.openadvantage.org/events/php_mysql_2007011519
> for more info.
>
>
> thanks
> David.
>
> 1 - We === Pale Purple[.co.uk]
>
> --
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>
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> [ http://www.codepoets.co.uk ]
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From david at codepoets.co.uk Wed Dec 6 15:52:49 2006
From: david at codepoets.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Wed Dec 6 15:52:50 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] FREE Beginners PHP Training course: OpenAdvantage 15th -
19th of Jan
In-Reply-To: <20061206151334.GA13404@codepoets.co.uk>
References: <20061205152702.GA22638@codepoets.co.uk>
<20061206151334.GA13404@codepoets.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20061206155224.GA31102@codepoets.co.uk>
Katherine Goodwin wrote :
> David Goodwin wrote :
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've forgotten to mention, but we're [1] doing a training course @ Open
> > Advantage in Janruary ... if anyone's a newbie to PHP, they may find
> > this to be useful.
> >
> It actually shouldn't be a beginners one - its for people who have
> programmed in other languages and want to try PHP.
> OA are going to change the description for us soon...
I should also chip-back-in and point out that it's free.
David.
--
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[ david at codepoets dot co dot uk ]
[ http://www.codepoets.co.uk ]
From simon at blackburnend.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 6 16:00:52 2006
From: simon at blackburnend.demon.co.uk (simon@blackburnend.demon.co.uk)
Date: Wed Dec 6 16:00:53 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] FREE Beginners PHP Training course: OpenAdvantage 15th -
19th of Jan
In-Reply-To: <20061206155224.GA31102@codepoets.co.uk>
Message-ID:
david@codepoets.co.uk wrote:
> I should also chip-back-in and point out that it's free.
>
Daft question: is it free to individuals or just to local companies?
The reason I ask is I'm interested in getting skilled in Open Source web development but there's no way my company would pay for it (I'm a ColdFusion developer looking at a horribly shrinking job market).
Cheers
Simon
From david at codepoets.co.uk Wed Dec 6 16:11:20 2006
From: david at codepoets.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Wed Dec 6 16:11:22 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] FREE Beginners PHP Training course: OpenAdvantage 15th -
19th of Jan
In-Reply-To:
References: <20061206155224.GA31102@codepoets.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20061206161106.GA1523@codepoets.co.uk>
simon@blackburnend.demon.co.uk wrote :
> david@codepoets.co.uk wrote:
>
> > I should also chip-back-in and point out that it's free.
> >
> Daft question: is it free to individuals or just to local companies?
I believe both; but you're best off phoning OpenAdvantage and checking
with them. They're quite friendly, and don't bite... ;)
David.
--
David Goodwin
[ david at codepoets dot co dot uk ]
[ http://www.codepoets.co.uk ]
From simon at blackburnend.demon.co.uk Wed Dec 6 16:22:05 2006
From: simon at blackburnend.demon.co.uk (simon@blackburnend.demon.co.uk)
Date: Wed Dec 6 16:22:06 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] FREE Beginners PHP Training course: OpenAdvantage 15th -
19th of Jan
In-Reply-To: <20061206161106.GA1523@codepoets.co.uk>
Message-ID:
david@codepoets.co.uk wrote:
> I believe both; but you're best off phoning OpenAdvantage and checking
> with them. They're quite friendly, and don't bite... ;)
>
Cheers. I'll do just that.
Simon
From gary at dunns.co.uk Wed Dec 6 16:47:03 2006
From: gary at dunns.co.uk (gary denham)
Date: Wed Dec 6 16:47:04 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
Message-ID: <4576F453.30101@dunns.co.uk>
Hi All
Anyone have knowledge about setting up SMS server on Suse linux 10.1 server.
Cheers
Gary
From Dave at neteffekt.co.uk Wed Dec 6 17:09:08 2006
From: Dave at neteffekt.co.uk (Dave Holmes)
Date: Wed Dec 6 17:09:10 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
In-Reply-To: <4576F453.30101@dunns.co.uk>
Message-ID:
Depends what you mean by SMS server
Are you wanting to connect to an SMS service to send personal messages or
Are you wanting to setup an SMS gateway which will allow you and you clients
to send SMS messages using HTTP....
If it is the later try http://www.kannel.org we use this to route thousands
of message a week with no problems running on fedora core, it compiles from
source so there should be no issues getting it working on Suse
-----Original Message-----
From: phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of gary denham
Sent: 06 December 2006 16:48
To: Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
Subject: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
Hi All
Anyone have knowledge about setting up SMS server on Suse linux 10.1 server.
Cheers
Gary
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From gary at dunns.co.uk Wed Dec 6 17:21:56 2006
From: gary at dunns.co.uk (gary denham)
Date: Wed Dec 6 17:21:58 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4576FC86.3090705@dunns.co.uk>
Dave Holmes wrote:
> Depends what you mean by SMS server
>
> Are you wanting to connect to an SMS service to send personal messages or
>
> Are you wanting to setup an SMS gateway which will allow you and you clients
> to send SMS messages using HTTP....
>
> If it is the later try http://www.kannel.org we use this to route thousands
> of message a week with no problems running on fedora core, it compiles from
> source so there should be no issues getting it working on Suse
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
> [mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of gary denham
> Sent: 06 December 2006 16:48
> To: Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
>
> Hi All
>
> Anyone have knowledge about setting up SMS server on Suse linux 10.1 server.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
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Hi Dave
Thanks for the pointer, our requirement is to generate an SMS to a
client at the point that their order is despatched on our webserver. I
will take a look at kannel.org
Thanks
Gary
From Dave at neteffekt.co.uk Wed Dec 6 18:02:13 2006
From: Dave at neteffekt.co.uk (Dave Holmes)
Date: Wed Dec 6 18:02:15 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
In-Reply-To: <4576FC86.3090705@dunns.co.uk>
Message-ID:
In that case Kannel may be a bit OTT as it a high capacity SMPP server, the
quickest and easiest way is to integrate with an aggregator who provides a
HTTP interface, ask the almighty Google for clickatell or "24x sms"
I would set you up an account on our gateway but I would imagine the ?150
setup costs and ?100 per month minimum billing is also over the top for your
requirements, as it would allow you to send 1600+ messages a month (ex VAT)
Excuse the shameless plug! http://www.notifire.com
-----Original Message-----
From: phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of gary denham
Sent: 06 December 2006 17:23
To: West Midlands PHP User Group
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
Dave Holmes wrote:
> Depends what you mean by SMS server
>
> Are you wanting to connect to an SMS service to send personal messages
> or
>
> Are you wanting to setup an SMS gateway which will allow you and you
> clients to send SMS messages using HTTP....
>
> If it is the later try http://www.kannel.org we use this to route
> thousands of message a week with no problems running on fedora core,
> it compiles from source so there should be no issues getting it
> working on Suse
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
> [mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of gary denham
> Sent: 06 December 2006 16:48
> To: Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
>
> Hi All
>
> Anyone have knowledge about setting up SMS server on Suse linux 10.1
server.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
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Hi Dave
Thanks for the pointer, our requirement is to generate an SMS to a client at
the point that their order is despatched on our webserver. I will take a
look at kannel.org
Thanks
Gary
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From gary at dunns.co.uk Wed Dec 6 18:06:59 2006
From: gary at dunns.co.uk (gary denham)
Date: Wed Dec 6 18:07:02 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <45770715.5020500@dunns.co.uk>
Dave Holmes wrote:
> In that case Kannel may be a bit OTT as it a high capacity SMPP server, the
> quickest and easiest way is to integrate with an aggregator who provides a
> HTTP interface, ask the almighty Google for clickatell or "24x sms"
>
> I would set you up an account on our gateway but I would imagine the ?150
> setup costs and ?100 per month minimum billing is also over the top for your
> requirements, as it would allow you to send 1600+ messages a month (ex VAT)
>
> Excuse the shameless plug! http://www.notifire.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
> [mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of gary denham
> Sent: 06 December 2006 17:23
> To: West Midlands PHP User Group
> Subject: Re: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
>
> Dave Holmes wrote:
>
>> Depends what you mean by SMS server
>>
>> Are you wanting to connect to an SMS service to send personal messages
>> or
>>
>> Are you wanting to setup an SMS gateway which will allow you and you
>> clients to send SMS messages using HTTP....
>>
>> If it is the later try http://www.kannel.org we use this to route
>> thousands of message a week with no problems running on fedora core,
>> it compiles from source so there should be no issues getting it
>> working on Suse
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
>> [mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of gary denham
>> Sent: 06 December 2006 16:48
>> To: Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
>> Subject: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Anyone have knowledge about setting up SMS server on Suse linux 10.1
>>
> server.
>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
> Hi Dave
>
> Thanks for the pointer, our requirement is to generate an SMS to a client at
> the point that their order is despatched on our webserver. I will take a
> look at kannel.org
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Gary
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
Excellent info Dave,
Don't worry about the plug,
Cheers again
Gary
From phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk Wed Dec 6 18:38:31 2006
From: phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk (Phil Beynon)
Date: Wed Dec 6 18:38:32 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
> In that case Kannel may be a bit OTT as it a high capacity SMPP
> server, the
> quickest and easiest way is to integrate with an aggregator who provides a
> HTTP interface, ask the almighty Google for clickatell or "24x sms"
>
> I would set you up an account on our gateway but I would imagine the ?150
> setup costs and ?100 per month minimum billing is also over the
> top for your
> requirements, as it would allow you to send 1600+ messages a
> month (ex VAT)
>
> Excuse the shameless plug! http://www.notifire.com
>
If we are doing shameless plugs tonight, I own the domain names
www.multitxt.com & www.multitxt.co.uk which are for sale as the company that
they were registered for went bust before that project started.
Phil
From rob at akrabat.com Wed Dec 6 19:53:46 2006
From: rob at akrabat.com (Rob Allen)
Date: Wed Dec 6 19:53:48 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] Setting up SMS on SUSE
In-Reply-To: <4576FC86.3090705@dunns.co.uk>
References: <4576FC86.3090705@dunns.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45771F95.9050706@akrabat.com>
gary denham wrote:
>
> Thanks for the pointer, our requirement is to generate an SMS to a
> client at the point that their order is despatched on our webserver. I
> will take a look at kannel.org
We use csoft (http://www.csoft.co.uk/)
Regards
Rob...
From phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk Mon Dec 11 14:22:25 2006
From: phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk (Phil Beynon)
Date: Mon Dec 11 14:22:27 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] foreach
Message-ID:
I'm trying to parse a largeish array where I only want to find the first
instance of a value, capture it and swap a value into a smaller array, then
forget about parsing the rest of the array and get on with the next loop.
Can I put a foreach() in a while() and compare !== so that the result will
always be false will it trigger to endwhile when it does get match, thus not
parsing the whole array?
foreach($subdata as $nkey => $nvalue){ //small array
if($subdata[$nkey]['mident'] == "dummy_sub"){ //capture value key
//while(
foreach($rawdata as $rkey => $rvalue){ //look in big array
if($rawdata[$rkey]['main_index'] == $subdata[$nkey]['group_name']){
//comparison
$subdata[$nkey]['mident'] = $rawdata[$rkey]['main_id']; //replace
dummy_sub with value on true
} // end if
} // end foreach raw
//) // end while
} // end if
} // end foreach sub
Phil
From greg.jones at gmail.com Mon Dec 11 14:49:23 2006
From: greg.jones at gmail.com (Greg Jones)
Date: Mon Dec 11 14:49:25 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] foreach
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <97739e470612110649q51a3d156j255a1c91cc2df536@mail.gmail.com>
Not quite sure I understand, but my best guess would be 'no'. is the
'break' construct perhaps what you're after?
http://uk.php.net/break
From phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk Mon Dec 11 15:11:39 2006
From: phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk (Phil Beynon)
Date: Mon Dec 11 15:11:40 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] foreach
In-Reply-To: <97739e470612110649q51a3d156j255a1c91cc2df536@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
> Not quite sure I understand, but my best guess would be 'no'. is the
> 'break' construct perhaps what you're after?
>
> http://uk.php.net/break
>
Hi Greg,
break would - and does - work, inserted after the value replace bit, it was
more I was just wondering if the same thing could be done via while() but
couldn't see how on earth it would operate with the if conditional as an
inversion.
Phil
From david at codepoets.co.uk Mon Dec 11 15:12:24 2006
From: david at codepoets.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Mon Dec 11 15:12:25 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] foreach
In-Reply-To: <97739e470612110649q51a3d156j255a1c91cc2df536@mail.gmail.com>
References:
<97739e470612110649q51a3d156j255a1c91cc2df536@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <457D7533.7090303@codepoets.co.uk>
Greg Jones wrote:
> Not quite sure I understand, but my best guess would be 'no'. is the
> 'break' construct perhaps what you're after?
>
> http://uk.php.net/break
>
Alternatively, you could use while, next, each and do manual array
iteration, e.g.
while(!$found && list($key, $value) = each($thearray)) {
if($value == $whatever) {
$found = true;
}
next($thearray);
....
}
As Jake suggested, break is far cleaner :
foreach($myarray as $key => $value) {
if($value == $whatever) {
break;
}
....
}
(My syntax may be wrong.... I've not checked it... )
David.
From phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk Mon Dec 11 18:51:46 2006
From: phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk (Phil Beynon)
Date: Mon Dec 11 18:51:46 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] foreach
In-Reply-To: <457D7533.7090303@codepoets.co.uk>
Message-ID:
> > Not quite sure I understand, but my best guess would be 'no'. is the
> > 'break' construct perhaps what you're after?
> >
> > http://uk.php.net/break
> >
>
>
> Alternatively, you could use while, next, each and do manual array
> iteration, e.g.
>
> while(!$found && list($key, $value) = each($thearray)) {
> if($value == $whatever) {
> $found = true;
> }
> next($thearray);
> ....
> }
>
>
>
> As Jake suggested, break is far cleaner :
>
> foreach($myarray as $key => $value) {
> if($value == $whatever) {
> break;
> }
> ....
> }
>
>
> (My syntax may be wrong.... I've not checked it... )
>
> David.
I went for the break option, which seemed to be quite efficient and worked
just fine;
foreach($subdata as $nkey => $nvalue){
if($subdata[$nkey]['mident'] == "dummy_sub"){
foreach($rawdata as $rkey => $rvalue){
if($rawdata[$rkey]['main_index'] == $subdata[$nkey]['group_name']){
$subdata[$nkey]['mident'] = $rawdata[$rkey]['main_id'];
break;}
}}}
It's interesting that the PHP website defines a while() loop as the most
simplest, but I never seem to ever use them, hence this earlier was more a
practice / intellectual exercise to implement one in some code for a change.
Actually the bit of code above was mainly a bugfix for an automatic sitemap
generator for my content manager. As well as the main sitemap part I've
built another part which shows indexes and subindexes which don't currently
have content pages assigned. The bug came about in that it wasn't assigning
a record ident to the main index in the unassigned indexes area when there
was already another subindex which did have pages in the main sitemap
display. Took a while to figure that one out!
The workling demo of the sitemap, with the above code included, is at
(http://www.bortec-labs.com/tabview/tabview.php) if anyone wants to check it
out.
Unless any more bugs appear then that's the finished version.
It's now got a cookie based page / status positional system built in and is
highly optimised.
All comments are appreciated.
Phil
From david at codepoets.co.uk Tue Dec 12 07:52:53 2006
From: david at codepoets.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Tue Dec 12 07:52:54 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] foreach
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <457E5FC0.9000603@codepoets.co.uk>
>
> I went for the break option, which seemed to be quite efficient and worked
> just fine;
I would have too; I just thought i'd try and point out there are
alternatives...
>
> foreach($subdata as $nkey => $nvalue){
> if($subdata[$nkey]['mident'] == "dummy_sub"){
> foreach($rawdata as $rkey => $rvalue){
> if($rawdata[$rkey]['main_index'] == $subdata[$nkey]['group_name']){
> $subdata[$nkey]['mident'] = $rawdata[$rkey]['main_id'];
> break;}
> }}}
>
> All comments are appreciated.
>
Learn to indent your code? :) I find the following far easier to read -
foreach($subdata as $nkey => $nvalue) {
if($subdata[$nkey]['mident'] == "dummy_sub") {
foreach($rawdata as $rkey => $rvalue) {
if($rawdata[$rkey]['main_index'] ==
$subdata[$nkey]['group_name']) {
$subdata[$nkey]['mident'] = $rawdata[$rkey]['main_id'];
break;
}
}
}
}
Your original snippet makes it not obvious where if/foreach etc start or
end, while when indented, I can use the positioning on the page itself,
and not have to read every character to find out where.
David.
From phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk Tue Dec 12 09:35:35 2006
From: phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk (Phil Beynon)
Date: Tue Dec 12 09:35:37 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] foreach
In-Reply-To: <457E5FC0.9000603@codepoets.co.uk>
Message-ID:
> > I went for the break option, which seemed to be quite efficient
> and worked
> > just fine;
>
> I would have too; I just thought i'd try and point out there are
> alternatives...
Absolutely, which is why I asked about the possibilities of using which(),
I'm always receptive to any new ways of doing this sort of thing!
> > foreach($subdata as $nkey => $nvalue){
> > if($subdata[$nkey]['mident'] == "dummy_sub"){
> > foreach($rawdata as $rkey => $rvalue){
> > if($rawdata[$rkey]['main_index'] == $subdata[$nkey]['group_name']){
> > $subdata[$nkey]['mident'] = $rawdata[$rkey]['main_id'];
> > break;}
> > }}}
> >
>
>
>
> > All comments are appreciated.
> >
>
> Learn to indent your code? :) I find the following far easier to read -
>
>
> foreach($subdata as $nkey => $nvalue) {
> if($subdata[$nkey]['mident'] == "dummy_sub") {
> foreach($rawdata as $rkey => $rvalue) {
> if($rawdata[$rkey]['main_index'] ==
> $subdata[$nkey]['group_name']) {
> $subdata[$nkey]['mident'] = $rawdata[$rkey]['main_id'];
> break;
> }
> }
> }
> }
>
>
> Your original snippet makes it not obvious where if/foreach etc start or
> end, while when indented, I can use the positioning on the page itself,
> and not have to read every character to find out where.
>
>
> David.
I was trying to keep it from wrapping around within the email, hence adding
the various annotations everywhere. :-)
Phil
From david at codepoets.co.uk Tue Dec 12 13:34:23 2006
From: david at codepoets.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Tue Dec 12 13:34:24 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [GeekUp] WebDD - Free Conference for web types]
Message-ID: <457EAFC5.8000205@codepoets.co.uk>
This may interest some.... the event is on Microsoft's Reading campus....
(From geekup.org's mailing list) :
Guys,
Just want to let you know about a conference I?m running early next year.
It?s being held in Reading on Saturday 3rd February and is a full day
event costing ?0, it?s free, all you?ve got to do is get there.
www.WebDD.org.uk
We?ll have some Rails content (courtesy of this lists very own Dave Verwer).
Additionally, we?ll have people from the W3C accessibility taskforce,
CSS experts, WPF/e, Mozilla (I think), and a whole range of other topics.
As soon as we have firmed up the agenda and speaker list I?ll let you
all know, this is just a heads up so anyone interested can pop it into
their calendars.
Cheers,
Phil.
From david at codepoets.co.uk Tue Dec 12 14:58:07 2006
From: david at codepoets.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Tue Dec 12 14:58:08 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
Message-ID: <457EC365.2040606@codepoets.co.uk>
In case anyone's interested ....
David.
From david at codepoets.co.uk Tue Dec 12 15:02:02 2006
From: david at codepoets.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Tue Dec 12 15:02:03 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
In-Reply-To: <457EC365.2040606@codepoets.co.uk>
References: <457EC365.2040606@codepoets.co.uk>
Message-ID: <457EC45A.6080600@codepoets.co.uk>
David Goodwin wrote:
> In case anyone's interested ....
>
> David.
>
Stupid fricking email client....
WolvesLug is holding it's annual Christmas Bash on the 20th of
December this is just a Quick Invite to all Midland Lugs to get
together and socialise please let me know who is coming if anyone.
Many Thanks
Dave Morley (The New WolvesLug Master)
davmor2 at gmail dotty com
From davmor2 at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 15:03:46 2006
From: davmor2 at gmail.com (David Morley)
Date: Tue Dec 12 15:03:47 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
In-Reply-To: <457EC45A.6080600@codepoets.co.uk>
References: <457EC365.2040606@codepoets.co.uk>
<457EC45A.6080600@codepoets.co.uk>
Message-ID: <36feaa6c0612120703u2d7accefvd18f0aaeb534bc60@mail.gmail.com>
On 12/12/06, David Goodwin wrote:
> David Goodwin wrote:
> > In case anyone's interested ....
> >
> > David.
> >
>
>
> Stupid fricking email client....
>
>
>
> WolvesLug is holding it's annual Christmas Bash on the 20th of
> December this is just a Quick Invite to all Midland Lugs to get
> together and socialise please let me know who is coming if anyone.
Bum my memory sucks. Goto http://www.wolveslug.org.uk for more info.
> Many Thanks
>
> Dave Morley (The New WolvesLug Master)
>
> davmor2 at gmail dotty com
>
>
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From david at codepoets.co.uk Tue Dec 12 15:24:49 2006
From: david at codepoets.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Tue Dec 12 15:24:51 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
In-Reply-To: <36feaa6c0612120703u2d7accefvd18f0aaeb534bc60@mail.gmail.com>
References: <457EC365.2040606@codepoets.co.uk> <457EC45A.6080600@codepoets.co.uk>
<36feaa6c0612120703u2d7accefvd18f0aaeb534bc60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <457EC9AE.80407@codepoets.co.uk>
> Bum my memory sucks.
>
Mine sucks more!
David.
From david at codepoets.co.uk Tue Dec 12 17:06:35 2006
From: david at codepoets.co.uk (David Goodwin)
Date: Tue Dec 12 17:06:39 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] planet.phpwm.org ??
Message-ID: <457EE0F5.3000208@codepoets.co.uk>
Hi,
I don't know how many people on this list have blogs; but is there any
desire for a blog aggregator like http://planet.lugradio.org or one of
the many other php planet sites out there?
If so, should it be unrestricted in content, or contain non-techie posts
as well?
David.
From jadjei at ntlworld.com Tue Dec 12 17:46:37 2006
From: jadjei at ntlworld.com (Jonathan Adjei)
Date: Tue Dec 12 17:46:37 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] planet.phpwm.org ??
In-Reply-To: <457EE0F5.3000208@codepoets.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001a01c71e15$7607aef0$0a00a8c0@jonaxp>
Sounds like a great idea. I suspect there may be a fair few and I'd like to
nose at other people's interests possibly outside of PHP even.
jon
-----Original Message-----
From: phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
Sent: 12 December 2006 17:04
To: West Midlands PHP User Group
Subject: [Phpwm] planet.phpwm.org ??
Hi,
I don't know how many people on this list have blogs; but is there any
desire for a blog aggregator like http://planet.lugradio.org or one of
the many other php planet sites out there?
If so, should it be unrestricted in content, or contain non-techie posts
as well?
David.
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From public.darren.beale at siftware.co.uk Tue Dec 12 18:49:20 2006
From: public.darren.beale at siftware.co.uk (Darren Beale)
Date: Tue Dec 12 18:49:21 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] planet.phpwm.org ??
In-Reply-To: <457EE0F5.3000208@codepoets.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000001c71e1e$32dcc5d0$c303a8c0@Thinkpad>
> is there any desire for a blog
> aggregator like http://planet.lugradio.org
> or one of the many other php planet sites out there?
Yes, good idea.
> If so, should it be unrestricted in content, or contain
> non-techie posts as well?
Play it by ear? If it gets too OT then we could always rein it in.
How does it work, do we all supply feeds?
Regs
db
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From theology at gmail.com Tue Dec 12 19:41:29 2006
From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth Green)
Date: Tue Dec 12 19:41:30 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
In-Reply-To: <457EC365.2040606@codepoets.co.uk>
References: <457EC365.2040606@codepoets.co.uk>
Message-ID:
On the subject of "Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs", South
Birmingham LUG is going for the curry night this Thursday at the Briar
Rose non-smoking Wetherspoons at 7pm. This is in the middle of
Birmingham City Centre, within easy walking of New Street and major
bus routes. Follow the stuffed penguin...
On 12/12/06, David Goodwin wrote:
> In case anyone's interested ....
>
> David.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phpwm mailing list
> Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/phpwm
>
>
>
From pickledegg at hotmail.co.uk Fri Dec 15 10:57:17 2006
From: pickledegg at hotmail.co.uk (Chris Allen)
Date: Fri Dec 15 10:57:20 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Hi guys, this is just an update just to show you my personal project that
I'm working on. I know a while back a lot of us agreed that we seemed to be
working on a similar thing, ie. a 'content management framework.'
Its still very rough and I have a lot to do, but I thought I'd show it. Its
all 'supposed' to be valid XHTML and is still 'unstyled' apart from the
basic layout. I have built it using codeigniter, and I have made the code
modular and tidy ( for me! ).
Things I need to add are:
*Email newsletter functionality, integrated with the contacts list.
*A category/subcategory management system. - There will be a nested
navigation section on the front end, and I will style it with CSS to create
drop-downs.
*I also need to merge some of the classes further, as at present the
page,contact & user sections use pretty much identical code for the database
actions,pagination & display, and this could be combined further I feel.
After that, I pretty much have a barebones site package, that I can
customise quickly for a range of clients, hurrah!
The next phase is an e-commerce section, which should just 'tack on' ;-)
ADMIN: http://www.cms.istl.com/index.php/admin
( username = chris, password = password )
FRONT END:
http://www.cms.istl.com/
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>Today's Topics:
>
> 1. [Fwd: [GeekUp] WebDD - Free Conference for web types]
> (David Goodwin)
> 2. [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
> (David Goodwin)
> 3. Re: [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
> (David Goodwin)
> 4. Re: [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
> (David Morley)
> 5. Re: [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
> (David Goodwin)
> 6. planet.phpwm.org ?? (David Goodwin)
> 7. RE: planet.phpwm.org ?? (Jonathan Adjei)
> 8. RE: planet.phpwm.org ?? (Darren Beale)
> 9. Re: [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
> (Zeth Green)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:33:57 +0000
>From: David Goodwin
>Subject: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [GeekUp] WebDD - Free Conference for web types]
>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>Message-ID: <457EAFC5.8000205@codepoets.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>This may interest some.... the event is on Microsoft's Reading campus....
>
>
>(From geekup.org's mailing list) :
>
>
>Guys,
>
>
>Just want to let you know about a conference I’m running early next year.
>
>
>It’s being held in Reading on Saturday 3rd February and is a full day
>event costing £0, it’s free, all you’ve got to do is get there.
>
>www.WebDD.org.uk
>
>We’ll have some Rails content (courtesy of this lists very own Dave
>Verwer).
>
>Additionally, we’ll have people from the W3C accessibility taskforce,
>CSS experts, WPF/e, Mozilla (I think), and a whole range of other topics.
>
>
>As soon as we have firmed up the agenda and speaker list I’ll let you
>all know, this is just a heads up so anyone interested can pop it into
>their calendars.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Phil.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:57:41 +0000
>From: David Goodwin
>Subject: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>Message-ID: <457EC365.2040606@codepoets.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>In case anyone's interested ....
>
>David.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:01:46 +0000
>From: David Goodwin
>Subject: Re: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland
> Lugs]
>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>Message-ID: <457EC45A.6080600@codepoets.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>David Goodwin wrote:
> > In case anyone's interested ....
> >
> > David.
> >
>
>
>Stupid fricking email client....
>
>
>
>WolvesLug is holding it's annual Christmas Bash on the 20th of
>December this is just a Quick Invite to all Midland Lugs to get
>together and socialise please let me know who is coming if anyone.
>
>Many Thanks
>
>Dave Morley (The New WolvesLug Master)
>
>davmor2 at gmail dotty com
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:03:36 +0000
>From: "David Morley"
>Subject: Re: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland
> Lugs]
>To: "West Midlands PHP User Group"
>Message-ID:
> <36feaa6c0612120703u2d7accefvd18f0aaeb534bc60@mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>On 12/12/06, David Goodwin wrote:
> > David Goodwin wrote:
> > > In case anyone's interested ....
> > >
> > > David.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Stupid fricking email client....
> >
> >
> >
> > WolvesLug is holding it's annual Christmas Bash on the 20th of
> > December this is just a Quick Invite to all Midland Lugs to get
> > together and socialise please let me know who is coming if anyone.
>
>Bum my memory sucks. Goto http://www.wolveslug.org.uk for more info.
>
> > Many Thanks
> >
> > Dave Morley (The New WolvesLug Master)
> >
> > davmor2 at gmail dotty com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phpwm mailing list
> > Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/phpwm
> >
>
>
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>Seek That Thy Might Know
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:24:30 +0000
>From: David Goodwin
>Subject: Re: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland
> Lugs]
>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>Message-ID: <457EC9AE.80407@codepoets.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
> > Bum my memory sucks.
> >
>
>Mine sucks more!
>
>David.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:03:49 +0000
>From: David Goodwin
>Subject: [Phpwm] planet.phpwm.org ??
>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>Message-ID: <457EE0F5.3000208@codepoets.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi,
>
>I don't know how many people on this list have blogs; but is there any
>desire for a blog aggregator like http://planet.lugradio.org or one of
>the many other php planet sites out there?
>
>If so, should it be unrestricted in content, or contain non-techie posts
>as well?
>
>
>David.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:46:30 -0000
>From: "Jonathan Adjei"
>Subject: RE: [Phpwm] planet.phpwm.org ??
>To: "'West Midlands PHP User Group'"
>Message-ID: <001a01c71e15$7607aef0$0a00a8c0@jonaxp>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
>Sounds like a great idea. I suspect there may be a fair few and I'd like to
>nose at other people's interests possibly outside of PHP even.
>
>jon
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
>[mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
>Sent: 12 December 2006 17:04
>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>Subject: [Phpwm] planet.phpwm.org ??
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I don't know how many people on this list have blogs; but is there any
>desire for a blog aggregator like http://planet.lugradio.org or one of
>the many other php planet sites out there?
>
>If so, should it be unrestricted in content, or contain non-techie posts
>as well?
>
>
>David.
>
>_______________________________________________
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>
>
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>
>Message: 8
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:49:03 -0000
>From: "Darren Beale"
>Subject: RE: [Phpwm] planet.phpwm.org ??
>To: "'West Midlands PHP User Group'"
>Message-ID: <000001c71e1e$32dcc5d0$c303a8c0@Thinkpad>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
>
> > is there any desire for a blog
> > aggregator like http://planet.lugradio.org
> > or one of the many other php planet sites out there?
>
>Yes, good idea.
>
> > If so, should it be unrestricted in content, or contain
> > non-techie posts as well?
>
>Play it by ear? If it gets too OT then we could always rein it in.
>
>How does it work, do we all supply feeds?
>
>Regs
>
>db
>
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>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:41:24 +0000
>From: "Zeth Green"
>Subject: Re: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland
> Lugs]
>To: "West Midlands PHP User Group"
>Message-ID:
>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>On the subject of "Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs", South
>Birmingham LUG is going for the curry night this Thursday at the Briar
>Rose non-smoking Wetherspoons at 7pm. This is in the middle of
>Birmingham City Centre, within easy walking of New Street and major
>bus routes. Follow the stuffed penguin...
>
>On 12/12/06, David Goodwin wrote:
> > In case anyone's interested ....
> >
> > David.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Phpwm mailing list
> > Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/phpwm
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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From elliot at townx.org Fri Dec 15 11:38:17 2006
From: elliot at townx.org (Elliot Smith)
Date: Fri Dec 15 11:38:19 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4582890B.8010507@townx.org>
Chris Allen wrote:
> Hi guys, this is just an update just to show you my personal project
> that I'm working on. I know a while back a lot of us agreed that we
> seemed to be working on a similar thing, ie. a 'content management
> framework.'
Hi Chris,
I'm interested to know why you decided to go down this route, rather
than use a system like Drupal? I could do pretty much everything your
framework does (after a cursory look at the demo) with a 5-minute Drupal
install; plus I could add the features you've described within a few
more minutes. True, some CMSs like Joomla! are inflexible, and don't
give you much control; but Drupal (being PHP/MySQL-based) strikes the
right balance for me between providing some structure and retaining
flexibility; plus it has the best API (barring Plone) of any of the
systems I've seen, so it's easy to extend.
Any thoughts on this?
Elliot
>
> Its still very rough and I have a lot to do, but I thought I'd show
> it. Its all 'supposed' to be valid XHTML and is still 'unstyled' apart
> from the basic layout. I have built it using codeigniter, and I have
> made the code modular and tidy ( for me! ).
>
> Things I need to add are:
>
> *Email newsletter functionality, integrated with the contacts list.
> *A category/subcategory management system. - There will be a nested
> navigation section on the front end, and I will style it with CSS
> to create drop-downs.
> *I also need to merge some of the classes further, as at present the
> page,contact & user sections use pretty much identical code for the
> database actions,pagination & display, and this could be combined
> further I feel.
>
> After that, I pretty much have a barebones site package, that I can
> customise quickly for a range of clients, hurrah!
>
> The next phase is an e-commerce section, which should just 'tack on' ;-)
>
> ADMIN: http://www.cms.istl.com/index.php/admin
> ( username = chris, password = password )
>
> FRONT END:
>
> http://www.cms.istl.com/
>
From theology at gmail.com Fri Dec 15 14:07:25 2006
From: theology at gmail.com (Zeth Green)
Date: Fri Dec 15 14:07:26 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
In-Reply-To: <4582890B.8010507@townx.org>
References:
<4582890B.8010507@townx.org>
Message-ID:
Chris Allen wrote:
> > Hi guys, this is just an update just to show you my personal project
> > that I'm working on.
Interesting stuff.
Elliot Smith wrote:
> I'm interested to know why you decided to go down this route, rather
> than use a system like Drupal?
Well drupal is quite heavy, if Chris can make his system to be small
as possible then it might be useful to some people.
From Dave at neteffekt.co.uk Fri Dec 15 14:19:54 2006
From: Dave at neteffekt.co.uk (Dave Holmes)
Date: Fri Dec 15 14:19:56 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
There in lies the rub as it will not be small as it is built on top of a
framework even if it is code ignighter which is one of the most lightweight
there is still a lot of bloat.
I think I have to agree with Elliot it is a bit like re-inventing the wheel
when there are good solutions out there, and there are standalone e-commerce
systems as well as e-commerce modules that can be integrated with Joomla
-----Original Message-----
From: phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
[mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Zeth Green
Sent: 15 December 2006 14:07
To: West Midlands PHP User Group
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
Chris Allen wrote:
> > Hi guys, this is just an update just to show you my personal project
> > that I'm working on.
Interesting stuff.
Elliot Smith wrote:
> I'm interested to know why you decided to go down this route, rather
> than use a system like Drupal?
Well drupal is quite heavy, if Chris can make his system to be small as
possible then it might be useful to some people.
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From phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk Fri Dec 15 14:21:54 2006
From: phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk (Phil Beynon)
Date: Fri Dec 15 14:21:56 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
> Chris Allen wrote:
> > > Hi guys, this is just an update just to show you my personal project
> > > that I'm working on.
>
> Interesting stuff.
>
> Elliot Smith wrote:
> > I'm interested to know why you decided to go down this route, rather
> > than use a system like Drupal?
>
> Well drupal is quite heavy, if Chris can make his system to be small
> as possible then it might be useful to some people.
>
Chris can probably learn a lot more about PHP and interacting with a
database writing it directly so he can see what the code does and how things
interact than using a high level tool.
Plus its more fun!
Phil
From rob at akrabat.com Fri Dec 15 18:52:04 2006
From: rob at akrabat.com (Rob Allen)
Date: Fri Dec 15 18:52:06 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
In-Reply-To: <4582890B.8010507@townx.org>
References:
<4582890B.8010507@townx.org>
Message-ID: <4582EEA5.5030705@akrabat.com>
Elliot Smith wrote:
>
> I'm interested to know why you decided to go down this route, rather
> than use a system like Drupal? I could do pretty much everything your
> framework does (after a cursory look at the demo) with a 5-minute Drupal
> install; plus I could add the features you've described within a few
> more minutes. True, some CMSs like Joomla! are inflexible, and don't
> give you much control; but Drupal (being PHP/MySQL-based) strikes the
> right balance for me between providing some structure and retaining
> flexibility; plus it has the best API (barring Plone) of any of the
> systems I've seen, so it's easy to extend.
Personally, I loathe Drupal's admin system as I find it very counter
intuitive. Also, I've never seen a drupal install that doesn't look
like it started as community/participation site. That's not to say that
there aren't any, but I see Drupal's target market to be community type
sites. Otherwise things like Joomla! or CMSMadeSimple wouldn't exist!
It's probably just me though :)
Regards,
Rob...
From elliot at townx.org Fri Dec 15 21:33:04 2006
From: elliot at townx.org (Elliot Smith)
Date: Fri Dec 15 21:33:06 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
In-Reply-To: <4582EEA5.5030705@akrabat.com>
References: <4582890B.8010507@townx.org>
<4582EEA5.5030705@akrabat.com>
Message-ID: <4583146A.8030409@townx.org>
Rob Allen wrote:
> Personally, I loathe Drupal's admin system as I find it very counter
> intuitive. Also, I've never seen a drupal install that doesn't look
> like it started as community/participation site. That's not to say that
> there aren't any, but I see Drupal's target market to be community type
> sites. Otherwise things like Joomla! or CMSMadeSimple wouldn't exist!
>
Rob,
I take the point about Drupal being community-centric. A lot of good
community sites use it, and that is undeniably a sweet spot for Drupal.
But that's not to say it can't produce enormous traditional websites:
take a look at The Onion (http://www.theonion.com/content/), for
example; or MTV Flux (http://www.mtv.co.uk/channel/flux/) - though the
latter does have quite a bit of community stuff, there's also a fair bit
of content. I also agree about the admin. system (though I've got used
to it now): it is poorly organised in version 4, but is much improved in
version 5 (soon to be fully released).
Joomla! and CMSMadeSimple also have their sweet spot, in the small to
medium brochureware region (though of course larger sites exist - it's
just I'd say those two CMSs are best suited to the smaller stuff). But
where Drupal excels, though, is as a platform: you can build any kind of
content-managed site with it, pretty much, and it gives you tools for
all the common stuff you're likely to want, plus a smart API.
Of course, writing a CMS is fun, and a good way to learn PHP, so I can
see the attraction. I used to love writing web frameworks (until I came
across Ruby on Rails). The other advantage of your own CMS is that you
know it inside and out, and can tack on new functionality as you see
fit. But I'd still rather put my faith in a CMS being worked on by
dozens of talented programmers, rather than in something I've hacked
together :).
Elliot
> It's probably just me though :)
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rob...
>
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From sukh_virdee at hotmail.com Sat Dec 16 12:44:54 2006
From: sukh_virdee at hotmail.com (sukh virdee)
Date: Sat Dec 16 12:44:57 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
Hi Chris,
It all looks pretty OK. Just a quick question... How do you intend to send
"E-news"?
This is open to anyone - what do you guys use to send out mail shots? For
work purposes I use Campaign Monitor, which is a great app but it comes at a
cost!
Are there any open source alternatives?
I remember at one place I worked, they used a PEAR class to send out mail
shots, however this used always "give up" after about 20000.
All ideas welcome!
Cheers,
Sukh
>From: "Chris Allen"
>Reply-To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>To: phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
>Subject: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:57:00 +0000
>
>Hi guys, this is just an update just to show you my personal project that
>I'm working on. I know a while back a lot of us agreed that we seemed to be
>working on a similar thing, ie. a 'content management framework.'
>
>Its still very rough and I have a lot to do, but I thought I'd show it. Its
>all 'supposed' to be valid XHTML and is still 'unstyled' apart from the
>basic layout. I have built it using codeigniter, and I have made the code
>modular and tidy ( for me! ).
>
>Things I need to add are:
>
>*Email newsletter functionality, integrated with the contacts list.
>*A category/subcategory management system. - There will be a nested
>navigation section on the front end, and I will style it with CSS to create
>drop-downs.
>*I also need to merge some of the classes further, as at present the
>page,contact & user sections use pretty much identical code for the
>database actions,pagination & display, and this could be combined further I
>feel.
>
>After that, I pretty much have a barebones site package, that I can
>customise quickly for a range of clients, hurrah!
>
>The next phase is an e-commerce section, which should just 'tack on' ;-)
>
>ADMIN: http://www.cms.istl.com/index.php/admin
>( username = chris, password = password )
>
>FRONT END:
>
>http://www.cms.istl.com/
>
>
>
>
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>>Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. [Fwd: [GeekUp] WebDD - Free Conference for web types]
>> (David Goodwin)
>> 2. [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
>> (David Goodwin)
>> 3. Re: [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
>> (David Goodwin)
>> 4. Re: [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
>> (David Morley)
>> 5. Re: [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
>> (David Goodwin)
>> 6. planet.phpwm.org ?? (David Goodwin)
>> 7. RE: planet.phpwm.org ?? (Jonathan Adjei)
>> 8. RE: planet.phpwm.org ?? (Darren Beale)
>> 9. Re: [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
>> (Zeth Green)
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 13:33:57 +0000
>>From: David Goodwin
>>Subject: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [GeekUp] WebDD - Free Conference for web types]
>>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>>Message-ID: <457EAFC5.8000205@codepoets.co.uk>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>>This may interest some.... the event is on Microsoft's Reading campus....
>>
>>
>>(From geekup.org's mailing list) :
>>
>>
>>Guys,
>>
>>
>>Just want to let you know about a conference I’m running early next year.
>>
>>
>>It’s being held in Reading on Saturday 3rd February and is a full day
>>event costing £0, it’s free, all you’ve got to do is get there.
>>
>>www.WebDD.org.uk
>>
>>We’ll have some Rails content (courtesy of this lists very own Dave
>>Verwer).
>>
>>Additionally, we’ll have people from the W3C accessibility taskforce,
>>CSS experts, WPF/e, Mozilla (I think), and a whole range of other topics.
>>
>>
>>As soon as we have firmed up the agenda and speaker list I’ll let you
>>all know, this is just a heads up so anyone interested can pop it into
>>their calendars.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Phil.
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 2
>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 14:57:41 +0000
>>From: David Goodwin
>>Subject: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs]
>>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>>Message-ID: <457EC365.2040606@codepoets.co.uk>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>In case anyone's interested ....
>>
>>David.
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 3
>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:01:46 +0000
>>From: David Goodwin
>>Subject: Re: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland
>> Lugs]
>>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>>Message-ID: <457EC45A.6080600@codepoets.co.uk>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>David Goodwin wrote:
>> > In case anyone's interested ....
>> >
>> > David.
>> >
>>
>>
>>Stupid fricking email client....
>>
>>
>>
>>WolvesLug is holding it's annual Christmas Bash on the 20th of
>>December this is just a Quick Invite to all Midland Lugs to get
>>together and socialise please let me know who is coming if anyone.
>>
>>Many Thanks
>>
>>Dave Morley (The New WolvesLug Master)
>>
>>davmor2 at gmail dotty com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 4
>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:03:36 +0000
>>From: "David Morley"
>>Subject: Re: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland
>> Lugs]
>>To: "West Midlands PHP User Group"
>>Message-ID:
>> <36feaa6c0612120703u2d7accefvd18f0aaeb534bc60@mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>On 12/12/06, David Goodwin wrote:
>> > David Goodwin wrote:
>> > > In case anyone's interested ....
>> > >
>> > > David.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Stupid fricking email client....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > WolvesLug is holding it's annual Christmas Bash on the 20th of
>> > December this is just a Quick Invite to all Midland Lugs to get
>> > together and socialise please let me know who is coming if anyone.
>>
>>Bum my memory sucks. Goto http://www.wolveslug.org.uk for more info.
>>
>> > Many Thanks
>> >
>> > Dave Morley (The New WolvesLug Master)
>> >
>> > davmor2 at gmail dotty com
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Phpwm mailing list
>> > Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
>> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/phpwm
>> >
>>
>>
>>--
>>Seek That Thy Might Know
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 5
>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:24:30 +0000
>>From: David Goodwin
>>Subject: Re: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland
>> Lugs]
>>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>>Message-ID: <457EC9AE.80407@codepoets.co.uk>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>
>> > Bum my memory sucks.
>> >
>>
>>Mine sucks more!
>>
>>David.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 6
>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:03:49 +0000
>>From: David Goodwin
>>Subject: [Phpwm] planet.phpwm.org ??
>>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>>Message-ID: <457EE0F5.3000208@codepoets.co.uk>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I don't know how many people on this list have blogs; but is there any
>>desire for a blog aggregator like http://planet.lugradio.org or one of
>>the many other php planet sites out there?
>>
>>If so, should it be unrestricted in content, or contain non-techie posts
>>as well?
>>
>>
>>David.
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 7
>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:46:30 -0000
>>From: "Jonathan Adjei"
>>Subject: RE: [Phpwm] planet.phpwm.org ??
>>To: "'West Midlands PHP User Group'"
>>Message-ID: <001a01c71e15$7607aef0$0a00a8c0@jonaxp>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>>
>>Sounds like a great idea. I suspect there may be a fair few and I'd like
>>to
>>nose at other people's interests possibly outside of PHP even.
>>
>>jon
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk
>>[mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of David Goodwin
>>Sent: 12 December 2006 17:04
>>To: West Midlands PHP User Group
>>Subject: [Phpwm] planet.phpwm.org ??
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I don't know how many people on this list have blogs; but is there any
>>desire for a blog aggregator like http://planet.lugradio.org or one of
>>the many other php planet sites out there?
>>
>>If so, should it be unrestricted in content, or contain non-techie posts
>>as well?
>>
>>
>>David.
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Phpwm mailing list
>>Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/phpwm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 8
>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 18:49:03 -0000
>>From: "Darren Beale"
>>Subject: RE: [Phpwm] planet.phpwm.org ??
>>To: "'West Midlands PHP User Group'"
>>Message-ID: <000001c71e1e$32dcc5d0$c303a8c0@Thinkpad>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250"
>>
>> > is there any desire for a blog
>> > aggregator like http://planet.lugradio.org
>> > or one of the many other php planet sites out there?
>>
>>Yes, good idea.
>>
>> > If so, should it be unrestricted in content, or contain
>> > non-techie posts as well?
>>
>>Play it by ear? If it gets too OT then we could always rein it in.
>>
>>How does it work, do we all supply feeds?
>>
>>Regs
>>
>>db
>>
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>>Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:41:24 +0000
>>From: "Zeth Green"
>>Subject: Re: [Phpwm] [Fwd: [lugmaster] Christmas Invites to Midland
>> Lugs]
>>To: "West Midlands PHP User Group"
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>>On the subject of "Christmas Invites to Midland Lugs", South
>>Birmingham LUG is going for the curry night this Thursday at the Briar
>>Rose non-smoking Wetherspoons at 7pm. This is in the middle of
>>Birmingham City Centre, within easy walking of New Street and major
>>bus routes. Follow the stuffed penguin...
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>>On 12/12/06, David Goodwin wrote:
>> > In case anyone's interested ....
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>> > David.
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From phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk Sat Dec 16 14:57:39 2006
From: phil at infolinkelectronics.co.uk (Phil Beynon)
Date: Sat Dec 16 14:57:41 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID:
> Hi Chris,
> It all looks pretty OK. Just a quick question... How do you
> intend to send
> "E-news"?
>
> This is open to anyone - what do you guys use to send out mail shots? For
> work purposes I use Campaign Monitor, which is a great app but it
> comes at a
> cost!
>
> Are there any open source alternatives?
>
> I remember at one place I worked, they used a PEAR class to send out mail
> shots, however this used always "give up" after about 20000.
>
> All ideas welcome!
It depends largely what you want to do, experience has shown me that for
your average SME type customer the idea of sitting down on a regular basis
and designing a newsletter simply doesn't work well for them, they either
dont have the time, the interest or the technical know how.
I made a little newsletter application which has a look to see what they
have added to their site database, either pages or products, this then gets
parsed daily, weekly and monthly by a script which then builds a page and
submits it to the subscribers. it writes back to the database to say that
its been sent so it doesn't get incuded on the next run. It does everything
they want and is totally automatic - they dont even know its been sent!
The thing I was offering customers prior to that was MyMail whihc is a
PHP/MySQL based GPL package - but its not user friendly enough for people in
that end of the market, probabaly be ok for sites where they have a
webmaster service.
Phil
From jimbrell at gmail.com Sat Dec 16 15:34:58 2006
From: jimbrell at gmail.com (James Timbrell)
Date: Sat Dec 16 15:35:01 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <624709380612160734k35da2d36vdb292d6ffbab6d28@mail.gmail.com>
Hi guys,
I've had mixed results with both of these, but they're both worth a look.
http://www.phplist.com/
http://pommo.org/index.php/Main_Page
I actually prefer Pommo, as it's a lot easier to use from a user point of
view.
They both handle subscriptions etc, phpList also handles bounces too.
--
James Timbrell
email: james.timbrell@gmail.com
website: http://timbrell.com
skype: jamestimbrell
On 16/12/06, Phil Beynon wrote:
>
> > Hi Chris,
> > It all looks pretty OK. Just a quick question... How do you
> > intend to send
> > "E-news"?
> >
> > This is open to anyone - what do you guys use to send out mail shots?
> For
> > work purposes I use Campaign Monitor, which is a great app but it
> > comes at a
> > cost!
> >
> > Are there any open source alternatives?
> >
> > I remember at one place I worked, they used a PEAR class to send out
> mail
> > shots, however this used always "give up" after about 20000.
> >
> > All ideas welcome!
>
> It depends largely what you want to do, experience has shown me that for
> your average SME type customer the idea of sitting down on a regular basis
> and designing a newsletter simply doesn't work well for them, they either
> dont have the time, the interest or the technical know how.
> I made a little newsletter application which has a look to see what they
> have added to their site database, either pages or products, this then
> gets
> parsed daily, weekly and monthly by a script which then builds a page and
> submits it to the subscribers. it writes back to the database to say that
> its been sent so it doesn't get incuded on the next run. It does
> everything
> they want and is totally automatic - they dont even know its been sent!
> The thing I was offering customers prior to that was MyMail whihc is a
> PHP/MySQL based GPL package - but its not user friendly enough for people
> in
> that end of the market, probabaly be ok for sites where they have a
> webmaster service.
>
> Phil
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Phpwm mailing list
> Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/phpwm
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From rob at akrabat.com Sun Dec 17 11:53:40 2006
From: rob at akrabat.com (Rob Allen)
Date: Sun Dec 17 11:53:42 2006
Subject: [Phpwm] My site/admin project
In-Reply-To: <4583146A.8030409@townx.org>
References: <4582890B.8010507@townx.org> <4582EEA5.5030705@akrabat.com>
<4583146A.8030409@townx.org>
Message-ID: <45852F95.2040705@akrabat.com>
Elliot Smith wrote:
> I also agree about the admin. system (though I've got used
> to it now): it is poorly organised in version 4, but is much improved in
> version 5 (soon to be fully released).
I'll have to check out v5 at some point :)
> Joomla! and CMSMadeSimple also have their sweet spot, in the small to
> medium brochureware region
I agree.
> But
> where Drupal excels, though, is as a platform: you can build any kind of
> content-managed site with it, pretty much, and it gives you tools for
> all the common stuff you're likely to want, plus a smart API.
The Jooma! guys would probably say the same about their new version : )
> Of course, writing a CMS is fun, and a good way to learn PHP, so I can
> see the attraction.
*grin* I agree that it can teache a lot. Possibly fun too!
> I used to love writing web frameworks (until I came
> across Ruby on Rails).
In the same way as in the old days we all used to write our own DB
Abstraction layers, I'm expecting that most people will use a famework
as their starting point within the next year or so. Of course, the RoR
guys argue that CMSs are unnecessary with RoR (and hence any reasonably
full-stack framework) as a base. The most obvious example I can think of
is http://www.loudthinking.com/arc/000528.html.
In some ways I agree in that at work we generate very specific CMSs for
every site. e.g. a car dealer site would have a "cars" module for adding
new cars to the site. They might be functionally identical to "articles"
from the CMSs point of view, but the client wants to add a car, not an
article. Same for categories: he wants to group his cars into "ranges",
not "categories". On the flip side, starting at the framework level
every time you need to add dynamic article pages with breadcrumbs and
menus gets boring very quickly.
> The other advantage of your own CMS is that you
> know it inside and out, and can tack on new functionality as you see
> fit. But I'd still rather put my faith in a CMS being worked on by
> dozens of talented programmers, rather than in something I've hacked
> together :)
In principle, I agree as long as you aren't trying to fit a square peg
into a round hole. i.e. when we needed an intranet, I just used drupal.
The whole way search works in the version of drupal that I installed
hurt though as it appeared to need a cron script working and even then
appeared to index things in a very odd way. After a while we worked out
that we didn't need 90% of the features of drupal; we just needed an
articles site with a search that thought like we did.
The advantage of starting at the framework level is that you get to make
the peg :) Certainly, we have projects at work where we have used the
wrong CMS for the job and it's hurt badly two years later when we are
trying to add new features to a system that wasn't designed to flex
where we need now it to. If I was to do those projects now, I'd use ZF
and have more flex points available to me.
Regards,
Rob...