[Phpwm] PHP roles in the West Midands
Lightfoot, Karl
k.lightfoot at computerfutures.com
Wed Feb 24 08:43:43 UTC 2010
Guys,
With regards to the PHP recruitment in the West Midlands- Id like to
think that I can help out given I have only been recruiting West
Midlands Developers for the last 10 years.
Any questions please do not hesitate to contact me on 0121 6075858
Regards,
Karl.
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Today's Topics:
1. PHP London on friday (Jujhar Singh)
2. Re: PHP or JavaScript (Mo Awkati)
3. Re: PHP or JavaScript (Richard Cunningham)
4. Re: PHP or JavaScript (Richard Cunningham)
5. Re: PHP or JavaScript (Mo Awkati)
6. Re: PHP London on friday (Mike Tipping)
7. Re: PHP London on friday (David Goodwin)
8. Re: PHP or JavaScript (Lester Caine)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:30:57 -0000
From: "Jujhar Singh" <jujhar at medilinkwm.co.uk>
Subject: [Phpwm] PHP London on friday
To: <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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Anyone going to PHP London this Friday?
The MedilinkWM team are going.
Jujhar
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:32:06 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mo Awkati <mawkati at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] PHP or JavaScript
To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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> /* This is not intended to fuel a heated debate about which is better!
> */
>
> I just need to be clear in my mind as to which is appropriate to use
> and when. I recognise that one is server side and the other is browser
> side. I see both as tools in a toolbox and therefore use as
> appropriate.
>
> The way I see them: JavaScript for presenting web pages, PHP for data
> handling and processing.
>
> Am I on the right tracks? I would welcome your thoughts on this, if
> you can give me an example/s where one is more appropriate to employ
> than the other, or indeed where they both live happily together!
> Obviously there are areas where they overlap.
>
>It should be the case that Javascript merely enhances the user
>experience - e.g. adding a popup calendar, rather than someone having
to
>type in 2010/01/21 or provides e.g client side validation (i..e no need
>to click submit and wait for the server to respond).
>In an ideal world, PHP does everything (validation, data presenting
>etc)
>and then Javascript perhaps makes the page more interactive - but if JS
>is turned off everything continues to be usable.
>David.
Hi David
This is how I see it. I just need to mindful of the "if JS is turned off
everything continues to be usable." I have seen some very nice and well
presented content using JS which you can't do with PHP, hence my
question.
Mo
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:33:31 +0000
From: Richard Cunningham <rich at richardcunningham.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] PHP or JavaScript
To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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Not forgetting you need to validation on the server side too for
security, if nothing else, even if you have Javascript validation.
Lester Caine wrote:
> Mo Awkati wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> /* This is not intended to fuel a heated debate about which is
>> better! */
>>
>> I just need to be clear in my mind as to which is appropriate to use
>> and when. I recognise that one is server side and the other is
>> browser side. I see both as tools in a toolbox and therefore use as
>> appropriate.
>>
>> The way I see them: JavaScript for presenting web pages, PHP for data
>> handling and processing.
>>
>> Am I on the right tracks? I would welcome your thoughts on this, if
>> you can give me an example/s where one is more appropriate to employ
>> than the other, or indeed where they both live happily together!
>> Obviously there are areas where they overlap.
>>
>
> If you want to do something in the browser, like display a calendar
> drop down,
> or check data before passing it back to the server - you need
Javascript.
>
> Everything else is done in the server using PHP ..... But PHP creates
> html
> content which is what is sent to the browser, including any javascript
and css
> information needed for the browser to display the page.
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:35:18 +0000
From: Richard Cunningham <richard at richardcunningham.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] PHP or JavaScript
To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4B83F5B6.2080405 at richardcunningham.co.uk>
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Not forgetting you need to validation on the server side too for
security, if nothing else, even if you have Javascript validation.
Lester Caine wrote:
> Mo Awkati wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> /* This is not intended to fuel a heated debate about which is
>> better! */
>>
>> I just need to be clear in my mind as to which is appropriate to use
>> and when. I recognise that one is server side and the other is
>> browser side. I see both as tools in a toolbox and therefore use as
>> appropriate.
>>
>> The way I see them: JavaScript for presenting web pages, PHP for data
>> handling and processing.
>>
>> Am I on the right tracks? I would welcome your thoughts on this, if
>> you can give me an example/s where one is more appropriate to employ
>> than the other, or indeed where they both live happily together!
>> Obviously there are areas where they overlap.
>>
>
> If you want to do something in the browser, like display a calendar
> drop down,
> or check data before passing it back to the server - you need
Javascript.
>
> Everything else is done in the server using PHP ..... But PHP creates
> html
> content which is what is sent to the browser, including any javascript
and css
> information needed for the browser to display the page.
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:39:33 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mo Awkati <mawkati at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] PHP or JavaScript
To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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>Not forgetting you need to validation on the server side too for
>security, if nothing else, even if you have Javascript validation.
Absolutely. A valid point.
Cheers
Mo
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:38:05 +0000
From: Mike Tipping <mike at etuna.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] PHP London on friday
To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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me
On 23/2/10 15:30, "Jujhar Singh" <jujhar at medilinkwm.co.uk> wrote:
> Anyone going to PHP London this Friday?
>
> The MedilinkWM team are going.
>
> Jujhar
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:51:14 +0000
From: David Goodwin <david at codepoets.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] PHP London on friday
To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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On 23/02/10 15:30, Jujhar Singh wrote:
> Anyone going to PHP London this Friday?
>
> The MedilinkWM team are going.
>
Yeah - we're driving down from Bromsgrove on Friday morning. Lucky me.
--
David Goodwin
[ david at codepoets dot co dot uk ]
[ http://www.codepoets.co.uk ]
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:52:13 +0000
From: Lester Caine <lester at lsces.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Phpwm] PHP or JavaScript
To: West Midlands PHP User Group <phpwm at mailman.lug.org.uk>
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Richard Cunningham wrote:
> Not forgetting you need to validation on the server side too for
> security, if nothing else, even if you have Javascript validation.
I was just thinking more on the lines of 'need this field filling', 'not
a
number', and all those useful little hints that bouncing back and forth
to the
server for can be very annoying.
Security is another layer altogether, and needs proper consideration
what ever
the browser is doing ;)
--
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