[Phpwm] Job Opportunities

Tue Mar 22 11:53:59 UTC 2011

Tim 

I can hear you phone ringing from here  ;)


On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 11:43 +0000, Tim Cumming wrote:

> NUTS!!!
> 
> I forgot to reiterate that I'm not interested in employment agencies getting in touch on the vacancies we have - if I want help, I'll ask for it!!
> 
> Tim - Cybacat
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phpwm-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:phpwm-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Mike Tipping
> Sent: 22 March 2011 09:50
> To: West Midlands PHP User Group
> Subject: Re: [Phpwm] Job Opportunities
> 
> Interesting and possibly relevant discussion:
> 
> http://forum.boagworld.com/discussion/6279/what-makes-a-good-php-programmer
> /#Item_11
> 
> On salary I think the key thing with Junior developers is that you are often taking people who are looking for jobs (school leavers or career
> change) so can probably gat away with paying anything as long as the job is good and convenient. Start them low and offer rapid progression.
> 
> Good senior developers have generally already got a job that has been going through pay increments so is paid higher than the basic. To get them you need to offer a better job or a better salary. You probably don't the Senior developers who are looking for a job.
> 
> Regardless of whether IT is in recession or not I think you would have to be brave at the moment to leave a job you've been in for more than 2 years to go somewhere new unless the offer was very good or you had a change of circumstance that required it.
> 
> If you want to recruit good senior developers:
> 
> - Get involved in the community and build a name for yourself and your organisation
> - Pick the people in the community you know can work at the level you want and you like.
> - Approach them directly and headhunt.
> 
> If you're looking for work:
> 
> - Get involved in the community and build a name for yourself .
> - Pick the people in the community you want to work for and like.
> - Approach them directly.
> 
> 
> 
> On 22/03/2011 09:25, "keith Pope" <mute.pop3 at googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On 21 March 2011 10:56, Alex Mace <alex at hollytree.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Sad to say all of our recent hires have come through agents. Even I 
> >>joined though an agent, although I had previously sent my CV through 
> >>with a letter and got no response.
> >>
> >> We had quite a good experience with Williams Resource - they had a 
> >>list of set questions to ask candidates that was quite good at sorting 
> >>the wheat from the chaff. Jon Glas at CV Bay sent us through some good 
> >>stuff as well.
> >
> >I have had dealings with Jon Glas before and he was very helpful, that 
> >was from a candidate side though :)
> >
> >It is a shame that in the UK all recruitment seems to be agency based, 
> >compare this to the US where it seems to be mostly direct like at 
> >dice.com. The amount of times you see an advert on cwjobs and go I 
> >wonder who that is and spend a few hours trying to find which company 
> >it is for!
> >
> >If you are using a agency try and make them include some text that will 
> >be searchable in google back to your site, I have been able to find the 
> >actual company a few times that way and we all prefer to go direct!
> >
> >With salaries I would say (for my industry aviation):
> >
> >Senior Developer - 35,000 to 45,000+ pa Junior Developer - 20,000 to 
> >30,000 pa
> >
> >For me a senior role is a lot more than programming, they need to lease 
> >with the business, help the team distil information, mentor the junior 
> >developers, keep track of architecture, motivate the team etc.
> >Its not an easy job and carries a lot of responsibility to the 
> >business.
> >
> >With juniors the skill level can vary a lot, so it really a question of 
> >judgement.
> >
> >>
> >> I've tried posting stuff to here, twitter and other places to no 
> >>response.
> >>
> >> Alex
> >>
> >> On 21 Mar 2011, at 10:27, Nick Downton wrote:
> >>
> >>> Where do you guys find works the best for advertising positions?
> >>> We have tried quite a lot of job boards but never really got what I 
> >>> would call a good response. In fact, the job centre always seem to 
> >>> get the most candidates through the door!
> >>> Also, we are thinking our ad copy may not be quite right. At the 
> >>> moment it is very formal, straight from HR department. We were 
> >>> thinking of going a bit less formal.
> >>>
> >>> Currently looking for another two developers, fairly junior for 20 - 
> >>>25.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Alex Mace <alex at hollytree.co.uk>
> >>>wrote:
> >>>> We ended up hiring a couple Graduates as "Junior" Developers at 20k+.
> >>>> We interviewed quite a lot whose salary demands were in your "Senior"
> >>>> range, but then found their skillsets weren't able to justify the 
> >>>> demands. Some of that may just be down to the fact that we (at
> >>>> Namesco) have different demands because we work with the same large 
> >>>> codebase to support a business, so we require a more in depth 
> >>>> knowledge than an agency would.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just FYI though, I started as a Junior engineer at £16k 8 years 
> >>>> ago, so I would have expected that to have moved on towards £20k by now.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Alex
> >>>>
> >>>> On 20 Mar 2011, at 09:13, Tim Cumming <tim at cybacat.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> What did you end up doing Alex?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: phpwm-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk 
> >>>>> [mailto:phpwm-bounces at mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of Alex Mace
> >>>>> Sent: 19 March 2011 10:52 PM
> >>>>> To: West Midlands PHP User Group
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Phpwm] Job Opportunities
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good luck with those rates, based on my experience recruiting a 
> >>>>> few people last year, you're going to need it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alex
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 19 Mar 2011, at 22:38, Rob Allen <rob at akrabat.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Tim,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We're currently sorting out the spec for a new Senior Developer 
> >>>>>> and I'm hugely relieved to see that the budget we have is about 
> >>>>>> the same as you :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rob...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 12:18, Tim Cumming wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Due to re-structuring we have THREE positions available that are 
> >>>>>>> being advertised in local media at the moment.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> These are:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Senior Developer (supervisory role) - 22,500 to 30,000 pa Junior  
> >>>>>>>Developer - 15,500 to 18,000 pa Designer/Junior Developer - 
> >>>>>>>15,500 to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> 18,000 pa
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For more information, job descriptions and details of how to 
> >>>>>>> apply please go to http://www.cybacat.com/careers/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> NO AGENCIES PLEASE!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tim
> >>>>>>> Cybacat Ltd - 0845 833 4447
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