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style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Andy Cowan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 07 September 2010 12:58<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> West Midlands PHP User Group<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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 Taylor</st1:PersonName> &lt;<a href="mailto:JonathanT@bigredrecruitment.co.uk"
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
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color:navy'>Hi all,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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color:navy'>As a recruiter for the IT sector I have had met my fair share of
candidates &#8211; most of which, it would seem, have been promised some sort of
training by their companies in the past. Generally speaking it is not uncommon
for training to be provided but seemingly this is not always the case. In my
experience, instances where some training is offered then not delivered, can
often result in candidates seeking new employment.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Most of my clients would all look for some &#8216;Zend&#8217; or &#8216;Zend
Framework&#8217; qualification as an indication of competence of PHP development. It
may also be the case that if the hire can be made without the qualification the
subsequent training will be provided so that a unified standard can be achieved
across the team. &nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>For instance a client I have worked with for many years, based in <st1:place
w:st="on">Wolverhampton</st1:place>, who has continually impressed by making
Zend and Zend Framework certification available to new and existing members of
their production team. To top this they also provide funding for members of
staff to pursue both undergraduate and postgraduate studies. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>The client in question is currently looking for a web based
application developer. If this sounds like an opportunity for you then feel
free to get in touch. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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 Arial;font-weight:bold'>Jonathan Taylor</span></font></b></st1:PersonName><br>
<font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Big
Red Recruitment Ltd.<br>
Tel: 0844 576 4985<br>
Fax: 0844 576 4985<br>
E-Mail : <u><font color=blue><span style='color:blue'><a
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size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Tipping<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 06 September 2010 12:32<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> West Midlands PHP User Group<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Phpwm] trainings</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'>Have you
come up with a specific piece of &#8216;training&#8217; and asked for it? Every company
I&#8217;ve worked for has been happy to send me on courses (even coughing up over 1000/year
for OU studies) however I&#8217;ve has to chase down the courses and sell my bosses
the benefits of them.<br>
<br>
The main problem with training is deciding what you need that can give back to
the company rather than just qualify your for your next job.<br>
<br>
I got brainwashed by &#8216;Investors in People&#8217; a few years ago (another course I
went on :0) ), which (though in most companies is just a badge to hang on the
wall) makes a lot of sense when it comes to training. Basically you write a 5
year plan of where you want your company to be and what you want it to be
doing, look at the skills you have to deliver that and the skills you need and
build a training plan AND BUDGET around that. <br>
<br>
And training can be books, conferences and free R&amp;D time as much as going
on collage courses, infact conferences are the best training I&#8217;ve had.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Mike<br>
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On 06/09/2010 11:41, &quot;Simon Emms&quot; &lt;<a
href="http://simon@simonemms.com" target="_blank">simon@simonemms.com</a>&gt;
wrote:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Same experience here, but I do have a couple of friends
who&#8217;ve worked for companies that have been put through Zend Certification.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
S<br>
&nbsp;<br>
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font-family:Calibri'><br>
</span></font><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="http://phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>
[<a href="mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Carl Sutton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 06 September 2010 11:35<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> West Midlands PHP User Group<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Phpwm] trainings<br>
</span></font><br>
<font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri'><br>
</span></font>On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:33 AM, &lt;<a
href="http://nerijus@discountdomainsuk.com" target="_blank">nerijus@discountdomainsuk.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
Does your companies provide any trainings for their developers, and if yes<br>
- in what way? Or I'm asking too much from my boss? :/<br>
<br>
Nerijus<br>
<br>
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</span></font>I've worked for lots of companies that promised this before
starting, but never actually had one that followed through.<o:p></o:p></p>

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Phpwm mailing list<br>
Website : <a href="http://www.phpwm.org" target="_blank">http://www.phpwm.org</a><br>
Twitter : <a href="http://www.twitter.com/phpwm" target="_blank">http://www.twitter.com/phpwm</a><br>
Facebook: <a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2361609907"
target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2361609907</a><br>
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Post to list: <a href="mailto:Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk">Phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>
Archive etc : <a href="https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/phpwm"
target="_blank">https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/phpwm</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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