From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Oct 1 00:48:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Alan Blundell) Date: Mon Sep 30 23:48:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Help! In-Reply-To: <000401c268b4$fccb9e80$0100a8c0@hodgsonspc> References: <000901c267e9$6381ff60$0200000a@hodgsonspc> <3D97551F.7090507@ntlworld.com> <000401c268b4$fccb9e80$0100a8c0@hodgsonspc> Message-ID: <1033426051.6410.3.camel@alan.home.lan> Is it possible the system is still trying to connect via your ethernet adapter? I don't know how to tell RedHat to use a modem and to ignore ethernet for internet access - can anyone else help? Alan On Mon, 2002-09-30 at 20:10, Adrian Hodgson wrote: > > > I can ping another computer on the network OK. > > I have changed the system as best I can back to its original set-up. > > What the system will not do is dial the ISP and connect. The modem will not > pick up the line and do any dialling although I do notice the system > "talking to it". > Cheers Adrian. > > http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage1.htm Weekend Workshop > http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage2.htm Home made propane Foundry > http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage3.htm Learning CNC on a Vertical > Mill > > > _______________________________________________ > Preston mailing list > Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 3 10:33:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Phil Edwards) Date: Thu Oct 3 09:33:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] Configuring partitions for Tiny Linux Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C26183.8FF67920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've had a little play this afternoon with Tiny Linux and it seems to = install OK. The only problem is I only have experience with newer versions of Red = Hat, which does tend to lead you by the hand somewhat. As a result, I = have only thus far installed it on a single partition and I know this is = not good practice. Can anyone suggest appropriate partition types / sizes for a 1Gb drive? Cheers Phil ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C26183.8FF67920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've had a little play this afternoon = with Tiny=20 Linux and it seems to install OK.
 
The only problem is I only have = experience with=20 newer versions of Red Hat, which does tend to lead you by the hand = somewhat. As=20 a result, I have only thus far installed it on a single partition and I = know=20 this is not good practice.
 
Can anyone suggest appropriate = partition types /=20 sizes for a 1Gb drive?
 
Cheers
Phil
 
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C26183.8FF67920-- From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 3 10:33:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Wayne Ward) Date: Thu Oct 3 09:33:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Linux anti virus In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020925153929.06023528@mail.ukzone.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924171010.00ab7500@mail.ukzone.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924164325.04558448@mail.ukzone.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924152343.05e7bb70@mail.ukzone.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924152343.05e7bb70@mail.ukzone.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924164325.04558448@mail.ukzone.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924171010.00ab7500@mail.ukzone.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020925153929.06023528@mail.ukzone.com> Message-ID: <1032966450.1700.208.camel@intec19> --=-16h1hvb+FEAPfGcjEmPV Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What did you download the RPM or the tar file?? If you got the rpm from rpmfind.net you just click on the rpm file it installs the package and you just type chkrootkit at the prompt as root. Or if you got the tar version at prompt type: tar -xvzf filename then change into that directory and type ./configure - then make then make install - then type chkrootkit I use the rpm files because im lazy! Wayne On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 15:40, John C wrote: Hi Wayne... I've put chkrootkit on the server. I believe that I need to 'make' it. Do you know how to do this ??? John C At 17:19 24/09/2002 +0100, you wrote: >I noticed that there was a vunerabilty the other week with apache so i >patched mine - Have you ran the chkrootkit to see if they have hacked >the server? I'll have kapersky rpm on one of my disks if you want me to >bring it to the meeting?? Ill be there for 8.30 - Im just downloading >unreal 2003 demo for nix - 100 meg! > >Wayne >On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 17:14, John C wrote: >> Unfortunately they cannot tell me anything except that there is an apache virus coming out of my server. I cannot think of any other way it can propagate except via email. >> The server does not allow relaying. >> It is merely the fact that I was told that it is 'an apache virus' that is giving me cause for concern. Being a reponsible person I am reluctant to re-connect the server to see if it is still sending out a virus. >> I do know that the server has been hacked by looking at my httpd.conf file. It has been changed. >> >> John C >> >> >> At 16:55 24/09/2002 +0100, you wrote: >> >Have they told you if you are sending them through emails?? >> >If so how are you sending mails from a client workstation to this server >> >- or you sending mails straight from the server??/ >> > >> >Wayne >> > On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 16:43, John C wrote: >> >> Hi Wayne... >> >> >> >> I have been told by my isp, who has been told by his isp, that my server is sending out a virus. >> >> He has disconnected the server to avoid further problems. >> >> The reason that I am seeking anti virus software is to check it out and make sure. >> >> I don't want to connect it up again and then be caught out. >> >> >> >> John C >> >> >> >> At 15:37 24/09/2002 +0100, you wrote: >> >> >How do you know you have a virus?? Kapersky has been pretty good for me >> >> >you can download free version. >> >> > >> >> >Wayne >> >> > >> >> >On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 15:24, John C wrote: >> >> >> Seems that I have a virus on my Internet server. Does anybody know of any anti virus software that can detect and remove viruses from linux. >> >> >> I am running RedHat 7.3 >> >> >> >> >> >> John C >> >> >> >> >> >> ================================================= >> >> >> >> >> >> Check out our British Country Music Web Sites >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.countrymusic.org.uk >> >> >> http://www.bcmi-radio.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> Over 70,000 visitors a week >> >> >> >> >> >> ================================================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Preston mailing list >> >> >> Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> >> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >_______________________________________________ >> >> >Preston mailing list >> >> >Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston >> >> >> >> ================================================= >> >> >> >> Check out our British Country Music Web Sites >> >> >> >> http://www.countrymusic.org.uk >> >> http://www.bcmi-radio.co.uk >> >> >> >> Over 70,000 visitors a week >> >> >> >> ================================================= >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Preston mailing list >> >> Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk >> >> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Preston mailing list >> >Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk >> >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston >> >> ================================================= >> >> Check out our British Country Music Web Sites >> >> http://www.countrymusic.org.uk >> http://www.bcmi-radio.co.uk >> >> Over 70,000 visitors a week >> >> ================================================= >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Preston mailing list >> Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk >> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Preston mailing list >Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston ================================================= Check out our British Country Music Web Sites http://www.countrymusic.org.uk http://www.bcmi-radio.co.uk Over 70,000 visitors a week ================================================= _______________________________________________ Preston mailing list Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston Best Regards Wayne Ward IT Manager INTEC (UK) LTD DD: +44 (0) 1524 428222 Tel: +44 (0) 1524 426777 Fax: +44 (0) 1524 426888 E-Mail: wayne.ward@intec-ltd.co.uk Website: www.intec-ltd.co.uk This e-mail has been scanned for viruses prior to transmission Consultancy, Training & Manpower Services Company Registered No. 1715034 REGISTERED OFFICE: Intec (UK) Ltd, York House, 76-78 Lancaster Road, Morecambe, Lancashire, LA4 5QN --=-16h1hvb+FEAPfGcjEmPV Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 What did you download the RPM or the tar file??

If you got the rpm from rpmfind.net you just click on the rpm file it installs the package and you just type chkrootkit at the prompt  as root.
Or if you got the tar version at prompt type: tar  -xvzf  filename then change into that directory and type ./configure - then make then make install - then type chkrootkit
I use the rpm files because im lazy!

Wayne


On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 15:40, John C wrote: 
Hi Wayne...
I've put chkrootkit on the server. I believe that I need to 'make' it. Do you know how to do this ???

John C


At 17:19 24/09/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>I noticed that there was a vunerabilty the other week with apache so i
>patched mine - Have you ran the chkrootkit to see if they have hacked
>the server? I'll have kapersky rpm on one of my disks if you want me to
>bring it to the meeting?? Ill be there for 8.30 - Im just downloading
>unreal 2003 demo for nix - 100 meg!
>
>Wayne
>On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 17:14, John C wrote:
>> Unfortunately they cannot tell me anything except that there is an apache virus coming out of my server. I cannot think of any other way it can propagate except via email.
>> The server does not allow relaying.
>> It is merely the fact that I was told that it is 'an apache virus' that is giving me cause for concern. Being a reponsible person I am reluctant to re-connect the server to see if it is still sending out a virus.
>> I do know that the server has been hacked by looking at my httpd.conf file. It has been changed.
>> 
>> John C
>> 
>> 
>> At 16:55 24/09/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>> >Have they told you if you are sending them through emails??
>> >If so how are you sending mails from a client workstation to this server
>> >- or you sending mails straight from the server??/
>> >
>> >Wayne
>> > On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 16:43, John C wrote:
>> >> Hi Wayne...
>> >> 
>> >> I have been told by my isp, who has been told by his isp, that my server is sending out a virus.
>> >> He has disconnected the server to avoid further problems.
>> >> The reason that I am seeking anti virus software is to check it out and make sure.
>> >> I don't want to connect it up again and then be caught out.
>> >> 
>> >> John C
>> >> 
>> >> At 15:37 24/09/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>> >> >How do you know you have a virus?? Kapersky has been pretty good for me
>> >> >you can download free version. 
>> >> >
>> >> >Wayne
>> >> >
>> >> >On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 15:24, John C wrote:
>> >> >> Seems that I have a virus on my Internet server. Does anybody know of any anti virus software that can detect and remove viruses from linux.
>> >> >> I am running RedHat 7.3
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> John C
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> =================================================
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>   Check out our British Country Music Web Sites 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>         http://www.countrymusic.org.uk
>> >> >>         http://www.bcmi-radio.co.uk
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>         Over 70,000 visitors a week
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> =================================================
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> >> Preston mailing list
>> >> >> Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk
>> >> >> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston
>> >> >> 
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >Preston mailing list
>> >> >Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk
>> >> >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston 
>> >> 
>> >> =================================================
>> >> 
>> >>   Check out our British Country Music Web Sites 
>> >> 
>> >>         http://www.countrymusic.org.uk
>> >>         http://www.bcmi-radio.co.uk
>> >> 
>> >>         Over 70,000 visitors a week
>> >> 
>> >> =================================================
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Preston mailing list
>> >> Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk
>> >> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston
>> >> 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Preston mailing list
>> >Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk
>> >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston 
>> 
>> =================================================
>> 
>>   Check out our British Country Music Web Sites 
>> 
>>         http://www.countrymusic.org.uk
>>         http://www.bcmi-radio.co.uk
>> 
>>         Over 70,000 visitors a week
>> 
>> =================================================
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Preston mailing list
>> Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk
>> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston
>> 
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Preston mailing list
>Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk
>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston 

=================================================

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        Over 70,000 visitors a week

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--=-16h1hvb+FEAPfGcjEmPV-- From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 3 10:43:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Wayne Ward) Date: Thu Oct 3 09:43:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Linux anti virus In-Reply-To: <1032966450.1700.208.camel@intec19> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020924171010.00ab7500@mail.ukzone.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924164325.04558448@mail.ukzone.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924152343.05e7bb70@mail.ukzone.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924152343.05e7bb70@mail.ukzone.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924164325.04558448@mail.ukzone.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020924171010.00ab7500@mail.ukzone.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020925153929.06023528@mail.ukzone.com> <1032966450.1700.208.camel@intec19> Message-ID: <1033634522.7661.156.camel@intec19> Download the rpm and type rpm -i chkrooXXXXwhateverfileiscalled.rpm at a prompt as root, Then type chkrootkit at the prompt and enter.... Wayne On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 16:07, Wayne Ward wrote: > What did you download the RPM or the tar file?? > > If you got the rpm from rpmfind.net you just click on the rpm file it > installs the package and you just type chkrootkit at the prompt as > root. > Or if you got the tar version at prompt type: tar -xvzf filename then > change into that directory and type ./configure - then make then make > install - then type chkrootkit > I use the rpm files because im lazy! > > Wayne > > > On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 15:40, John C wrote: > > Hi Wayne... > I've put chkrootkit on the server. I believe that I need to 'make' it. Do you know how to do this ??? > > John C > > > At 17:19 24/09/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >I noticed that there was a vunerabilty the other week with apache so i > >patched mine - Have you ran the chkrootkit to see if they have hacked > >the server? I'll have kapersky rpm on one of my disks if you want me to > >bring it to the meeting?? Ill be there for 8.30 - Im just downloading > >unreal 2003 demo for nix - 100 meg! > > > >Wayne > >On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 17:14, John C wrote: > >> Unfortunately they cannot tell me anything except that there is an apache virus coming out of my server. I cannot think of any other way it can propagate except via email. > >> The server does not allow relaying. > >> It is merely the fact that I was told that it is 'an apache virus' that is giving me cause for concern. Being a reponsible person I am reluctant to re-connect the server to see if it is still sending out a virus. > >> I do know that the server has been hacked by looking at my httpd.conf file. It has been changed. > >> > >> John C > >> > >> > >> At 16:55 24/09/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >> >Have they told you if you are sending them through emails?? > >> >If so how are you sending mails from a client workstation to this server > >> >- or you sending mails straight from the server??/ > >> > > >> >Wayne > >> > On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 16:43, John C wrote: > >> >> Hi Wayne... > >> >> > >> >> I have been told by my isp, who has been told by his isp, that my server is sending out a virus. > >> >> He has disconnected the server to avoid further problems. > >> >> The reason that I am seeking anti virus software is to check it out and make sure. > >> >> I don't want to connect it up again and then be caught out. > >> >> > >> >> John C > >> >> > >> >> At 15:37 24/09/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >> >> >How do you know you have a virus?? Kapersky has been pretty good for me > >> >> >you can download free version. > >> >> > > >> >> >Wayne > >> >> > > >> >> >On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 15:24, John C wrote: > >> >> >> Seems that I have a virus on my Internet server. Does anybody know of any anti virus software that can detect and remove viruses from linux. > >> >> >> I am running RedHat 7.3 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> John C > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ================================================= > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Check out our British Country Music Web Sites > >> >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.countrymusic.org.uk > >> >> >> http://www.bcmi-radio.co.uk > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Over 70,000 visitors a week > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ================================================= > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> Preston mailing list > >> >> >> Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > >> >> >> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >> >Preston mailing list > >> >> >Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > >> >> >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston > >> >> > >> >> ================================================= > >> >> > >> >> Check out our British Country Music Web Sites > >> >> > >> >> http://www.countrymusic.org.uk > >> >> http://www.bcmi-radio.co.uk > >> >> > >> >> Over 70,000 visitors a week > >> >> > >> >> ================================================= > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Preston mailing list > >> >> Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > >> >> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >Preston mailing list > >> >Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > >> >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston > >> > >> ================================================= > >> > >> Check out our British Country Music Web Sites > >> > >> http://www.countrymusic.org.uk > >> http://www.bcmi-radio.co.uk > >> > >> Over 70,000 visitors a week > >> > >> ================================================= > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Preston mailing list > >> Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > >> http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston > >> > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Preston mailing list > >Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston > > ================================================= > > Check out our British Country Music Web Sites > > http://www.countrymusic.org.uk > http://www.bcmi-radio.co.uk > > Over 70,000 visitors a week > > ================================================= > > > _______________________________________________ > Preston mailing list > Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston > > > > Best Regards > > > Wayne Ward > IT Manager > > INTEC (UK) LTD > > DD: +44 (0) 1524 428222 > Tel: +44 (0) 1524 426777 > Fax: +44 (0) 1524 426888 > > E-Mail: wayne.ward@intec-ltd.co.uk > Website: www.intec-ltd.co.uk > > > This e-mail has been scanned for viruses prior to transmission > > Consultancy, Training & Manpower Services > Company Registered No. 1715034 > REGISTERED OFFICE: > Intec (UK) Ltd, York House, 76-78 Lancaster Road, Morecambe, Lancashire, > LA4 5QN > > > > > > From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 3 10:44:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Wayne Ward) Date: Thu Oct 3 09:44:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Configuring partitions for Tiny Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1033634590.2918.158.camel@intec19> Depends on what you are setting the box up for, Are you going to install X and utilities on this box..... Wayne On Sat, 2002-09-21 at 15:28, Phil Edwards wrote: > I've had a little play this afternoon with Tiny Linux and it seems to install OK. > > The only problem is I only have experience with newer versions of Red Hat, which does tend to lead you by the hand somewhat. As a result, I have only thus far installed it on a single partition and I know this is not good practice. > > Can anyone suggest appropriate partition types / sizes for a 1Gb drive? > > Cheers > Phil > From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Oct 4 00:22:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Alan Blundell) Date: Thu Oct 3 23:22:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Configuring partitions for Tiny Linux References: Message-ID: <3D9CC2E4.3080000@ntlworld.com> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Partition/index.html might help. Alan Phil Edwards wrote: > I've had a little play this afternoon with Tiny Linux and it seems to > install OK. > > The only problem is I only have experience with newer versions of Red > Hat, which does tend to lead you by the hand somewhat. As a result, I > have only thus far installed it on a single partition and I know this is > not good practice. > > Can anyone suggest appropriate partition types / sizes for a 1Gb drive? > > Cheers > Phil > From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Oct 4 00:25:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Phil Edwards) Date: Thu Oct 3 23:25:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Configuring partitions for Tiny Linux References: <1033634590.2918.158.camel@intec19> Message-ID: I have acquired 4 Pentium 133's with 1.2Gb HDD but only 8Mb of memory. I have played around with Tiny Linux with only very limited success on these machines, although I did manage to install it on a similar spec 16Mb machine (it is optimised for 12-20Mb). I now intend to have a play with MuLinux, another minimal distro to see how that installs (this needs only 8Mb). So far, I haven't got beyond the installation stage due to lack of time, but I want to play around with different configurations, maybe run one as a file server with a couple of the drives in it (and later probably have a go with Samba and putting a Windows PC on the network), one as a workstation running the minimal X-Windows add-on that comes with the distro and maybe later try to set one up as a mail server to see how that works. The fourth, I will probably put IP Cop on and use it as a firewall (but I may have to invest in a bit more memory for this if I can find it). Both Tiny Linux and MuLinux install from about 14 floppy disks, including add-ons and applications and both will easily fit on a 50-100Mb partition. So really it's a case of what partitions I should set up and how big to make them. I figure maybe a 50Mb swap partition, but do I then leave the rest as a single partition, or should I split this down into a number of smaller partitions (and for what purposes)? Any advice you can give will be greatly appreciated. Cheers Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Ward" To: Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Preston] Configuring partitions for Tiny Linux > Depends on what you are setting the box up for, Are you going to install > X and utilities on this box..... > > Wayne > > > On Sat, 2002-09-21 at 15:28, Phil Edwards wrote: > > I've had a little play this afternoon with Tiny Linux and it seems to install OK. > > > > The only problem is I only have experience with newer versions of Red Hat, which does tend to lead you by the hand somewhat. As a result, I have only thus far installed it on a single partition and I know this is not good practice. > > > > Can anyone suggest appropriate partition types / sizes for a 1Gb drive? > > > > Cheers > > Phil > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Preston mailing list > Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston > From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Oct 7 14:54:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Phil Robinson) Date: Mon Oct 7 13:54:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] Preston Linux User Group Message-ID: <001801c26dff$dff5a120$02000064@khnumhotep> Hello All, Sorry if anyone has experienced problems sending mail to the list during the last month, this has been due to changes in the mailing list server. From now on please post all messages to preston@mailman.lug.org.uk If anyone wants to have a few drinks and discuss the future of Preston Linux User Group and how we should be moving forward then please join me in the Grey Friars at 8:00 on the 30th October. There is a map on the PLUG website at http://www.preston.lug.org.uk/MailList.php3 and everybody is welcome. I shall send out a reminder a week before the meeting. Cheers, Phil Robinson. From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 10 15:38:03 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Adrian Hodgson) Date: Thu Oct 10 14:38:03 2002 Subject: [Preston] Help Message-ID: <001c01c26fde$29606040$0100a8c0@hodgsonspc> Can any one point me to any simple HyperTerminal style packages for Linux, I am still in need of sorting out the modem ppp connection on the Linux box. If all else fails? how do I echo commands such as the AT set to the modem on Com1, ttyS0 and see the answers? Cheers Adrian. http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage1.htm Weekend Workshop http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage2.htm Home made propane Foundry http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage3.htm Learning CNC on a Vertical Mill From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 10 16:11:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Ernie Hayes) Date: Thu Oct 10 15:11:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] Help References: <001c01c26fde$29606040$0100a8c0@hodgsonspc> Message-ID: <3D8B2650.9070701@server1.dms> Adrian Hodgson wrote: > Can any one point me to any simple HyperTerminal style packages for Linux, I > am still in need of sorting out the modem ppp connection on the Linux box. > > If all else fails? how do I echo commands such as the AT set to the modem > on Com1, ttyS0 and see the answers? > > Cheers Adrian. > > http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage1.htm Weekend Workshop > http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage2.htm Home made propane Foundry > http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage3.htm Learning CNC on a Vertical > Mill > > > _______________________________________________ > Preston mailing list > Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston Hi Adrian, If you run rp3-config to configure the red hat ppp dialer, it has a debug button. You can see the conversation with the modem as it connects. One thing to look out for is to make sure that the "Let PPP do all the authentication" is checked. If you edit the properties of the connection and select the Advanced tab it should be the top option. Hope this helps Ernie. From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Oct 11 00:55:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Martyn Welch) Date: Thu Oct 10 23:55:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Help In-Reply-To: <001c01c26fde$29606040$0100a8c0@hodgsonspc> References: <001c01c26fde$29606040$0100a8c0@hodgsonspc> Message-ID: <200210102350.47119.martyn@22balmoralroad.net> Hi Adrain, One to try would be minicom Martyn On Wednesday 09 October 2002 22:52, Adrian Hodgson wrote: > Can any one point me to any simple HyperTerminal style packages for Lin= ux, > I am still in need of sorting out the modem ppp connection on the Linux > box. > > If all else fails? how do I echo commands such as the AT set to the mo= dem > on Com1, ttyS0 and see the answers? > > Cheers Adrian. > > http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage1.htm Weekend Workshop > http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage2.htm Home made propane Found= ry > http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage3.htm Learning CNC on a Verti= cal > Mill > > > _______________________________________________ > Preston mailing list > Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Oct 11 01:16:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Adrian Hodgson) Date: Fri Oct 11 00:16:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] Help References: <001c01c26fde$29606040$0100a8c0@hodgsonspc> <200210102350.47119.martyn@22balmoralroad.net> Message-ID: <3DA5CAC7.7070601@aphtrading.co.uk> Martyn Welch wrote: > Hi Adrain, > > One to try would be minicom > > Martyn > > On Wednesday 09 October 2002 22:52, Adrian Hodgson wrote: > >>Can any one point me to any simple HyperTerminal style packages for Linux, >>I am still in need of sorting out the modem ppp connection on the Linux >>box. >> >>If all else fails? how do I echo commands such as the AT set to the modem >>on Com1, ttyS0 and see the answers? >> >>Cheers Adrian. >> >>http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage1.htm Weekend Workshop >>http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage2.htm Home made propane Foundry >>http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage3.htm Learning CNC on a Vertical >>Mill >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Preston mailing list >>Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk >>http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston > > > > _______________________________________________ > Preston mailing list > Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston > I have just sorted the problem and it is 00:12 in the morning after playing around with wvdial and rp3 and network config etc will no results!!. The problem was wit the PC, for some reason, possibly done when I set the second NIC card in the machine for the Wednesday Linux meeting in Leyland I must have completely screwed up the I/O and IRQ settings for the serial ports. I might have caught it if the messages on boot-up did not scroll past to fast to read. Still I am again connected to the internet via the Linux box. Now I have just to stop the system time from changing and going wrong, must try batery! Cheers all and thanks for assistance. Adrian From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Fri Oct 11 10:31:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Lee Draper) Date: Fri Oct 11 09:31:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Help References: <001c01c26fde$29606040$0100a8c0@hodgsonspc> Message-ID: <3DA58A54.000001.02392@ccserver.CCDOMAIN> --Boundary_(ID_PO07pGR8Aez+0oebu27inQ) Content-type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_mJEbZzOwiMfvODVuLxPXqA)" --Boundary_(ID_mJEbZzOwiMfvODVuLxPXqA) Content-type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Linux comes with program called minicom(I think thats the name). Lee Draper -------Original Message------- From: preston@mailman.lug.org.uk Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 14:41:07 To: preston@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Preston] Help Can any one point me to any simple HyperTerminal style packages for Linux, I am still in need of sorting out the modem ppp connection on the Linux box. If all else fails? how do I echo commands such as the AT set to the modem on Com1, ttyS0 and see the answers? Cheers Adrian. http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage1.htm Weekend Workshop http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage2.htm Home made propane Foundry http://www.aphtrading.co.uk/pages/apage3.htm Learning CNC on a Vertical Mill _______________________________________________ Preston mailing list Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston . --Boundary_(ID_mJEbZzOwiMfvODVuLxPXqA) Content-type: Text/HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Linux comes with program called minicom(I think thats the name).
 
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Can any one point me to any simple HyperTerminal style packages for Linux, I
am still in need of sorting out the modem ppp connection on the Linux box.

If all else fails? how do I echo commands such as the AT set to the modem
on Com1, ttyS0 and see the answers?

Cheers Adrian.

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Hi, I am a Linux Newbie. (Just thought I would clear that up before we got started) I have dabbled in a few installtions before but never really did much with it. My question is this:
I have bought a USB Solid State harddrive: http://www.twinmos.com.tw/products/queryall1_Card7.asp
 
And Redhat 8.0 detects it (It shows up in the hardware profile) but I have no idea how to access it. Now I believe that I have to "mount" it before it becomes a usable device. I am sure it is probably a simple line of text to write or something so if anyone could shed some light on this please. Thanks.
 
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From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Oct 15 18:51:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Graham Lee Bevan) Date: Tue Oct 15 17:51:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Linux And USB Harddrives References: Message-ID: <3DAC475E.6080002@ntlworld.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gareth, You might want to look on linux-usb.org @ http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/x173.html Gareth Llewellyn wrote: | Hi, I am a Linux Newbie. (Just thought I would clear that up before we | got started) I have dabbled in a few installtions before but never | really did much with it. My question is this: | I have bought a USB Solid State harddrive: | http://www.twinmos.com.tw/products/queryall1_Card7.asp | | And Redhat 8.0 detects it (It shows up in the hardware profile) but I | have no idea how to access it. Now I believe that I have to "mount" it | before it becomes a usable device. I am sure it is probably a simple | line of text to write or something so if anyone could shed some light on | this please. Thanks. | | Gareth L | | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here | | _______________________________________________ Preston mailing list | Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk | http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston - -- Graham Lee Bevan ~ ____ ______ ~ / __ \____ _____/_ __/___ ___ ____ ____ ~ / /_/ / __ `/ ___// / / __ `__ \/ __ \/ __ \ ~ / ____/ /_/ (__ )/ / / / / / / / /_/ / / / / ~ /_/ \__,_/____//_/ /_/ /_/ /_/\____/_/ /_/ http://www.pastmon.org irc: #pastmon irc.openprojects.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE9rEdcDULPqQTGO5oRAsUKAJ9MW1VUMRd9JBon3FDMqWnaYONfVQCffHn6 nLNlWrKjsdJ328E7wwCNIHA= =TE3e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Oct 16 12:26:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Gareth Llewellyn) Date: Wed Oct 16 11:26:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Linux And USB Harddrives Message-ID:

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From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Oct 16 13:43:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Taylor Nuttall) Date: Wed Oct 16 12:43:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] events at Folly of interest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi All Two events at Folly that may be of interest. ============================================================== 1) Linux Training 3 hour introductory session - by Paul Mobbs from Free Range Activism Website http://www.fraw.org.uk Introduction to Linux: - What it is, how it came about, introduction to using Linux. Linux and hardware: Issues about installation, drivers, etc. Working with Linux: Introducing office, Internet and multimedia applications on Linux. Wednesday 30th October, 6pm - 9pm, cost £25 including refreshments A limited number of free places for those developing creative projects are being reserved and available on a first come - first served basis. Following the course will be a meeting of the Lancaster Linux Users Group ============================================================== 2) The Imaginary Hotel - By Andrea Zapp ARTIST TALK - OCTOBER 19TH / 2PM ADMISSION FREE We are very pleased to welcome Andrea to our gallery space to discuss her most recent work. FOLLY GALLERY: 26 CASTLE PARK, LANCASTER http://www.folly.co.uk (01524) 388550 The Imaginary Hotel allows visitors to occupy and design their ideal room and fill it with personal content and inspiration. It will be in the Chapman Gallery in Salford, Greater Manchester, UK between October 9th and 31st, 2002. The installation architecture resembles a typical hotel room; yet choosing image, video and sound footage from the net via the room TV menu, can alter the standard interior and even hotel location. Internet participants can interfere by modifying or uploading further material via the hotel website. They are also able to ring up the gallery visitors via a specially designed web-telephone interface. A web cam is streaming real time video from the hotel to the website to document the ongoing changes. For info visit http://www.azapp.de From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Oct 19 00:41:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Adrian Hodgson) Date: Fri Oct 18 23:41:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] SuSe 6.1 does anyone local have a disk set I could try? Message-ID: <3DB04E7F.9020003@aphtrading.co.uk> I would like to see if it would install on an old laptop Adrian From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Sat Oct 19 14:58:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Giacomo Lacava) Date: Sat Oct 19 13:58:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Just a rookie :) Message-ID: Hi :) My name is Giacomo, I'm from Bologna (Italy, so don't be afraid of = correcting my bad english) and I'm living in Preston since August. I'm = attending a MSc at UCLan (part-time), and currently unemployed. I was interested in Free Software since 2000, but never really have the = time to learn much about it. I tried to install different free OSes on = several machines (Slackware/Mandrake Linux, Net/Open/FreeBSD), with = different luck, but always finding myself eventually hating XFree :( Currently, I installed a ZipSlack slackware 8.0 on my Win98 partition, and = I'm trying to build from there a LinuxFromScratch system on the ext2 = partition, hoping this time will be *the time* I will understand how a = free OS works and how to manage it, Microsoft policies are going worst = everyday... My first problem now is the printer... I'm "googling around" in order to = make my new Epson USB working with lpd or CUPS :) I hope to meet someone of you October 30th at the Greyfriars :)=20 See you Giacomo Lacava From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Oct 21 13:59:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (stephen johnson) Date: Mon Oct 21 12:59:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] Linux And USB Harddrives Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_57f7_2399_3cce Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed np >From: "Gareth Llewellyn" >Reply-To: preston@mailman.lug.org.uk >To: preston@mailman.lug.org.uk >Subject: Re: [Preston] Linux And USB Harddrives >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:01:16 -0700 > _________________________________________________________________ Internet access plans that fit your lifestyle -- join MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------=_NextPart_000_57f7_2399_3cce Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from lug.org.uk ([195.92.253.3]) by mc4-f19.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 16 Oct 2002 03:26:08 -0700 Received: from lug.org.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 181lNK-0000zM-00 ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:26:02 +0100 Received: from f18.pav0.hotmail.com ([64.4.33.89] helo=hotmail.com) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 181V4Z-0006ls-00 for preston@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:01:35 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:01:16 -0700 Received: from 193.61.255.25 by pv0fd.pav0.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:01:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.61.255.25] From: "Gareth Llewellyn" To: preston@mailman.lug.org.uk Bcc: Subject: Re: [Preston] Linux And USB Harddrives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2002 17:01:16.0807 (UTC) FILETIME=[79C57970:01C2746C] Sender: preston-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: preston-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: preston@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: preston@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Reply-To: InNeedOfTherepy@LoSystems.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Preston and Lancashire Linux User Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:01:16 -0700 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:01:16 -0700 Return-Path: preston-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk

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_______________________________________________ Preston mailing list Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston ------=_NextPart_000_57f7_2399_3cce-- From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Oct 21 13:59:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Kate Cormack) Date: Mon Oct 21 12:59:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Does anyone local have a disk set I could try? In-Reply-To: <3DB04E7F.9020003@aphtrading.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi all. I have RedHat 7.3, Mandrake 9.0 and Knoppix. If anyone wants a copy, let me know. Redhat is 3 74 disks. Mandrake is two 80's and a 74, and Knoppix is one 80. If you haven't come across knoppix, it is a great way to try out Linux on a machine without changing anything. It boots from the CD, and all you need to do in most cases is type "knoppix" for it to boot. You can pass parameters too, which the help screen gives you, to avoid that nasty PCMCIA devices you've got, for example. You can even specify that it doesn't use the existing windows swap space on FAT drives! It boots into KDE, running Wine and it automounts your windows drives, so you have access to all your files and programs. It is a really good way to get newbies interested, without the perils of an install. It is also nice to have WINE work. Now I believe the claims I read about it! It also has Koffice, and lots of fun stuff, all on one CD. And you can install it if you want. If anyone wants copies, let me know. I will do them for branded jewel case CDs in return, of the right size. Nigel www.officedevils.com www.rubbertreeplant.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: preston-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:preston-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk]On Behalf Of Adrian Hodgson Sent: 18 October 2002 19:10 To: Preston lug Subject: [Preston] SuSe 6.1 does anyone local have a disk set I could try? I would like to see if it would install on an old laptop Adrian _______________________________________________ Preston mailing list Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Oct 21 15:29:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Giacomo Lacava) Date: Mon Oct 21 14:29:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] If you want disk sets... Message-ID: .. I have a Slackware 8.0, install + extras (2 cd).=20 I think it's a great distribution for old/slow machines. On my thinkpad = 380xd (266mhz, 92mb ram) it uses less than 500 mb (with gcc, XFree but no = gnome/kde, just blackbox) and also made the pcmcia cards working without = any tweaking. If you know what you're doing, you can have a workstation = with X in less than 300mb without having to remove anything after the = installation procedure. If anyone wants a copy, just let me know :) From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Oct 23 10:32:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Gareth Llewellyn) Date: Wed Oct 23 09:32:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] If you want disk sets... Message-ID:

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>I think it's a great distribution for old/slow machines. On my thinkpad 380xd (266mhz, 92mb ram) it uses less than 500 mb (with gcc, XFree but no gnome/kde, just blackbox) and also made the pcmcia cards working without any tweaking. If you know what you're doing, you can have a workstation with X in less than 300mb without having to remove anything after the installation procedure.
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Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month.  Try MSN! Click Here From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Oct 23 10:32:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (preston@mailman.lug.org.uk) Date: Wed Oct 23 09:32:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Red Hat install on preconfigured XP Message-ID: <37.2f5e8f82.2ae72af3@aol.com> --part1_37.2f5e8f82.2ae72af3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a new XP platform with 80G disk. It has been preconfigured with a single volume - properties of (C:) identify NTFS file system with 70G free space. I want to end up dual booting with a Linux partitions consuming 40G, the remainder under XP, with the ability to see files between the two O/S's. I intend using Red Hat. Do I need to reinstall XP, or can I split the NTFS file system? Do I need any further disk management software? Rgds, Derek (Lancaster area unknowledgable newbie!) --part1_37.2f5e8f82.2ae72af3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a new XP platform with 80G disk. It has been preconfigured with a single volume - properties of (C:) identify NTFS file system with 70G free space.

I want to end up dual booting with a Linux partitions consuming 40G, the remainder under XP, with the ability to see files between the two O/S's.

I intend using Red Hat.

Do I need to reinstall XP, or can I split the NTFS file system? Do I need any further disk management software?

Rgds,
Derek (Lancaster area unknowledgable newbie!) --part1_37.2f5e8f82.2ae72af3_boundary-- From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Oct 23 11:42:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Wayne Ward) Date: Wed Oct 23 10:42:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] Red Hat install on preconfigured XP In-Reply-To: <37.2f5e8f82.2ae72af3@aol.com> References: <37.2f5e8f82.2ae72af3@aol.com> Message-ID: <1035363888.2140.1.camel@intec19> --=-s+gFsvDm6i/KNrTEMmNW Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had problems with red hat 8.0 with the NTFS partition - I think you have to compile it in to the kernel - So i just installed mandrake 9 and the NTFS partion works fine no kernel recompile - Easy! Wayne On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 23:28, DTLeigh@aol.com wrote: I have a new XP platform with 80G disk. It has been preconfigured with a single volume - properties of (C:) identify NTFS file system with 70G free space. I want to end up dual booting with a Linux partitions consuming 40G, the remainder under XP, with the ability to see files between the two O/S's. I intend using Red Hat. Do I need to reinstall XP, or can I split the NTFS file system? Do I need any further disk management software? Rgds, Derek (Lancaster area unknowledgable newbie!) --=-s+gFsvDm6i/KNrTEMmNW Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I had problems with red hat 8.0 with the NTFS partition - I think you have to compile it in to the kernel - So i just installed mandrake 9 and the NTFS partion works fine no kernel recompile - Easy!

Wayne


On Tue, 2002-10-22 at 23:28, DTLeigh@aol.com wrote:
I have a new XP platform with 80G disk. It has been preconfigured with a single volume - properties of (C:) identify NTFS file system with 70G free space.

I want to end up dual booting with a Linux partitions consuming 40G, the remainder under XP, with the ability to see files between the two O/S's.

I intend using Red Hat.

Do I need to reinstall XP, or can I split the NTFS file system? Do I need any further disk management software?

Rgds,
Derek (Lancaster area unknowledgable newbie!)
--=-s+gFsvDm6i/KNrTEMmNW-- From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Wed Oct 23 12:08:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Giacomo Lacava) Date: Wed Oct 23 11:08:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] Red Hat install on preconfigured XP Message-ID: >Do I need to reinstall XP, or can I split the NTFS file system?=20 You can, but I think you need some software like Partition Magic or = parted; I don't know if RedHat comes with a non-destructive partition = manager (it should), look on their website for the installation instruction= s. Just be aware that fdisk or cfdisk are not enough. After repartitioning, you'll have to install a boot manager and specify XP = parameters the right way, because win 2000/XP is more "intelligent" than = win 9x : by default, at every boot it will try to check your *entire* disk = and eventually format the partition it doesn't recognize. So be aware of = this and backup often, mistakes are common and I know several people who = lost their linux partitions in quick reboots after windows crashes :( I don't know if repartitioning your entire disk and reinstall XP from = scratch could be a better way. You should check the websites of RH, = Mandrake or SuSE. :) Giacomo Lacava From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 24 00:07:09 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Hyperion Cantos) Date: Wed Oct 23 23:07:09 2002 Subject: [Preston] new preston guy Message-ID: <200210232306.29696.nemes@btopenworld.com> Hello all. I live in preston and have just installed linux suse8.1, this install is= not=20 my 1st install of linux, but I am in know way anything other than a noob= =20 with the os. I signed up for the preston lug and its mailing list, and look forward to= =20 talking with you all via email, irc or maybe even the pub in town which i= s=20 not that far away from me :) I have lots of questions to ask LOL, and I am glad there is a lug so clos= e to=20 me, I have a feeling it will be a great resource for me. As I say, I am a newbie when it comes to linux, and at the moment I am=20 concentrating on teaching myself Tcl/tk, which I was supprised to find ou= t,=20 actualy made some sense to me when I started studying it LOL. Anyway Just though I would introduce myself to you all. Regards::for now::: Nemes From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 24 00:16:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Hyperion Cantos) Date: Wed Oct 23 23:16:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] test Message-ID: <200210232315.43985.nemes@btopenworld.com> just testing this one. By the way email me if you want suse7.2 to try on your laptop, I have an = old=20 cd set. Regards Nemes From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Mon Oct 28 23:28:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Guy) Date: Mon Oct 28 23:28:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Uni interest in PLUG Message-ID: Greetings penguin lovers, Maybe some people will remember that several weeks ago I posted to the group about a request to a Uni lecturer (who used to teach me) asking if there was any chance the group could use any Uni facilities to hold meetings. Obviously the Greyfriars has only limited capabilities for demos, displays etc. It took him a while to get back to me (he is quite busy) but apparently there is now a new lecturer at the Uni who is very pro UNIX/Linux. I have emailed the new chap with details of PLUG and informed him of the meeting times, so, he may come to Wednesdays meeting. (But I don't know this for sure, he may not. I am not acquainted with him personally.) Anyway I detect a growing interest in Linux in the University, which can only be a good thing. I will be there on Weds at around 8:30, in any case. (I missed the last two meetings.) Laters, -- Guy From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Oct 29 10:38:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Giacomo Lacava) Date: Tue Oct 29 10:38:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Uni interest in PLUG Message-ID: >I will be there on Weds at around 8:30, in any case. Me too :) Being a newcomer, is there something I should know about the place? I = mean, is there a "secret Penguin Cult's room"? a place that is camouflaged = as illegal casino pushing a button when a Microsoft employee is in the = pub? :))) bye Giacomo From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Oct 29 11:05:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Phil Robinson) Date: Tue Oct 29 11:05:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Tomorrow Night References: Message-ID: <000a01c27f3a$da9a9630$0100a8c0@khnumhotep> Hello All, If anyone wants to have a few drinks and discuss the future of Preston Linux User Group and how we should be moving forward then please join me in the Greyfriars at 8:00pm on Wednesday 30th October. I'll have the inflatable penguin with me so that I look like a looney and new members can find us. There is a map on the PLUG website at http://www.preston.lug.org.uk/MailList.php3 and everybody is welcome. Sorry about the late reminder but I got called away on business. Hope to see some of you tomorrow, Phil Robinson. From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Oct 29 20:43:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Hyperion Cantos) Date: Tue Oct 29 20:43:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] wensdays meeting Message-ID: <200210292042.27037.nemes@btopenworld.com> Hello all. Im pretty much skint till thursday guys, so I dont think I will be able= to=20 make the meeting. Its a pitty though i was looking forward to meeting somebody in preston t= hat=20 actually liked linux LOL. Well nevermind maybe next meet ill make it. By the way, dont suppose any of you are thinking of maybe starting a new= =20 course at the uni or college, (computer related), only I was thinking of=20 doing one, and it would be nice to goto the course with someone I new and= a=20 like minded person. Anyway catch later chaps. Hyperion; aka; Nemes From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Oct 29 22:11:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Matthew T. Atkinson) Date: Tue Oct 29 22:11:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] Just joined... Message-ID: <005a01c27f98$93b5d8c0$f9e7e783@comta2> Hello there, I am new to the list (just joined today) so I thought I would send a brief e-mail to say who I am and why I am here. I am a Computer Science student at Loughborough University - but I live in Penwortham, Preston. My first Linux was SuSE 8.0 Professional, which I bought in the summer. I bought it because I have been curious about Linux for some time and I have grown more and more disappointed/angry with M$ over the years because of the products they have released and the tactics that they use to ensure their popularity. Since I have been back at university (for my 2nd year) I have tried Mandrake 9.0 and Lycoris. I got Lycoris (build 46, I think) to see if it is really true that my granny could use it, hehe. Actually I tried it because it is supposed to work well with windows networks but that failed ("Student Hall" has a space in it and I thought that may be the problem). Also, it didn't work at all well with my USB Zip drive/scanner (for OCR) so I had to give up on it. Maybe one day I'll try it again - it seems to be well on course to becoming a windows competitor. At the moment I can only use Linux in console mode (which is amazing compared to any other OS' console I have used) and I dual boot with win2k. This is because I am visually impaired and need a screen magnifier to use GUIs. There is a screen reader/magnifier in development for the GUI side of Linux (readers exist for console already) but I have not yet been able to make it work (install) for me. I hope that within this academic year I will be using Linux exclusively. I definitely intend to be before M$ "Longhorn" comes out anyway, but I hope I'll be using Linux to its full potential a long time before then. Well I think I've covered everything there. I am still a relative Linux newbie. I have, however, been using computers since the end of the Spectrum era and my first "real" one was an Amiga (excellent platform IMHO). I have been using PCs since 1996 and have got a lot of experience with them. Currently I have an AMD machine which I "made" (bought the bits and paid someone to put them together). I am sure that I will learn a lot by following this mailing list but I hope that I may be able to offer something back too, as my experience with Linux increases! Bye just now, Matthew From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Tue Oct 29 22:48:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Guy) Date: Tue Oct 29 22:48:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] Uni interest in PLUG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tuesday 29 October 2002 10:36 am, you wrote: > >I will be there on Weds at around 8:30, in any case. > > Me too :) > Being a newcomer, is there something I should know about the place? I mean, > is there a "secret Penguin Cult's room"? a place that is camouflaged as > illegal casino pushing a button when a Microsoft employee is in the pub? > :))) > > bye > Giacomo > Nothing so esoteric I'm afraid. We don't need to be secretive - we're open source! ;-) -- Guy From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 31 11:11:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Phil Robinson) Date: Thu Oct 31 11:11:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Minutes from the meeting - 30 Oct 2002 References: Message-ID: <001001c280c4$55dd5870$a6181e3e@khnumhotep> ===================================== Preston & Lancashire Linux User Group Meeting - 30 Oct 2002 ===================================== Thank you to all who attended last night's meeting. In brief for those who couldn't make it... Agenda ====== 1 - Frequency of the meetings / Keeping attendance higher 2 - Maybe move to start of the month so everyone has been paid! 3 - Ideas for keeping the mailing list flowing 4 - New locations for meetings and install days 5 - New ideas for promoting PLUG 6 - User group projects / tutorials 7 - The new website Minutes ======= The group has been running for a year now and we have about 80 active members as I recently un-subscribed anyone with a dead e-mail address. The agenda from last night's meeting was intended to start moving the group forward a little. 1&2 - This was discussed and it was agreed that we keep the meetings once a month and move the date to the first Wednesday in each month. We decided to skip next month and have the next meeting in December. Unfortunately I will be away on the 4th of December so unless there are any objections can we make the next meeting on the Wednesday the 11th of December. 3 - Not really discussed at the meeting, any ideas? 4 - It was mentioned that the pub was a nice and relaxed environment for us to meet and that perhaps meetings and some social events could continue there but also that a new location could bring forward some new activities, such as an install / debug day and maybe some informal tutorials. We have a location available to us in Leyland, the one used in September and some of the members are still looking in to the possibility of a room in the University. 5 - Not really discussed at the meeting, any ideas? 6 - The idea of informal tutorials or workshops was discussed and it was agreed that this would be a good idea and much more practical once we have a room. Group projects as discussed at some previous meetings could then come forward from this. 7 - The website is going to get a re-design and hopefully become more useful as a community based website. The site map below is a starter but any comments would be gratefully received. New Website Map =============== Home {A brief description of the PLUG} Mailing List {Information about the mailing list} Browse Archives Signup Member Profiles {PLUG Members can add information about themselves here such as their specialist skills etc.} Add my profile Edit my profile Browse profiles Name Interests / Specialist Areas Private Email Weblinks Hardware Exchange {Surplus hardware either free or exchange, I have lots of redundant hardware that I shall add for free.} Add new hardware Remove hardware Browse hardware Events {Anyone can host an event! Information will be posted here about any upcoming events, social gatherings or meetings} Meeting Dates & Locations Submit a new event (regulated) Local Distribution Mirrors {UK based mirror of full linux distributions} Useful Links {A collection of useful links for linux users} New users Experienced Distributions Submit a link (regulated) Cheers, Phil Robinson. From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 31 14:47:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Giacomo Lacava) Date: Thu Oct 31 14:47:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] Minutes from the meeting - 30 Oct 2002 Message-ID: >3 - Ideas for keeping the mailing list flowing To use the list as a "weekly logbook" of your linux activities, e.g. "on = monday I couldn't figure out how to mount the mp3portablePlayer. I tried = this and that, and finally got it running with somecommand -p". I know it = could be time-consuming, but it would be the simplest way of sharing our = linux knowledge; maybe we could start writing only the simple things. > 5 - New ideas for promoting PLUG Being in Preston only since august, I actually don't know where to = start... The first thinking is about the City Council and the County = Council: maybe it could be possible to organise a meeting with civil = servants to explain what linux is and how it could be cost-effective for = small public institutions to adopt it. Schools or no-profit associations = could also be interested, if someone between us has good relationships = with them.=20 We would need to build a list of linux-oriented companies in the area to = talk with, asking for sponsorship in exchange for "pushing" them. These activities, being "continuous", could also be repeated. Another thing is an event in (or near) the university. Many students could = be interested, I'm pretty sure a lot of them tried (or are thinking to = try) linux all alone in their rooms, and gave up when their SuperGraphic3dB= oard refused to work in the first place. Showing them that a linux = community actually exists could be a good thing. In the long term, we could think about a Linux Society lobbying for = attention by the uni management to have space and machines. 2 - We could think about a "community project". Which are the needs of = Preston citizens? Well, I don't know ;) but maybe we should think = something to meet the requirements of the area. It is not enough to say = (or show) that Linux can be as good (or as easy) as windows, we must show = to people that is better for *their* needs. > 7 - The website is going to get a re-design and hopefully become more = useful As I said at the meeting, if you need help with server-side code (php, = java), I'll be happy to solve specific problems. I can't really offer to = do all the work, but maybe I could be useful e.g. for the session-engine = structure.=20 The site as you designed it is already a not-so-small project, so I = strongly suggest to start working on it ASAP. Everything about it should = be on the list, maybe with an additional [website] tag on the subject. Ok, enough for today... I have a shitty Access database to interface with = a super-shitty Visual J++ 6.0. Please kill me! =3D:((( bye Giacomo From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 31 16:32:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Guy) Date: Thu Oct 31 16:32:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] Fwd: USB support under Linux Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Guy To: Adrian Hodgson Subject: USB support under Linux Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:29:28 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: S Hi Adrian, Last night we were talking about USB support for devices under Linux. A useful place to start is: http://www.linux-usb.org/ There, there is a list of manufacturer/device ID numbers and a useful tool in the form of a program called 'usbview'. This program shows you the connections on your USB port and you can find the ID numbers. When you have found these ID numbers you can try to track down a relevant module that drives the device. The command 'lsmod' lists all the modules that are loaded into your kernel (you have to be root and on redhat based systems you may have to type '/sbin/lsmod' i.e. give the full path to the command). Try running lsmod, plugging in your usb device and running lsmod again to see if anything has changed. The kernel has a database of ID numbers and associated modules to load when it detects the presence of a device. If the kernel doesn't load a module when you plug in a device it doesn't always mean the device is unsupported! Maybe the device has not been added to the database and the module for another similar device might work. The commands 'insmod' and 'modprobe' are useful for adding modules to the running kernel (insmod inserts a module, modprobe is similar but also loads other modules that the one in question depends on.) The program 'modconf' has a graphical interface for selecting modules to load. http://www.google.com/linux is a good search engine for Linux related stuff Check what kernel you are running - the 2.4.xx series has much better USB support than the 2.2.xx (type 'uname -a') I have to say that support for webcams and scanners is patchy under Linux. The only piece of hardware I own that doesn't work (yet) under Linux is a webcam (I have never owned a scanner). There is a feature on scanner support in the new 'Linux Format' magazine. Good Luck! -- Guy ------------------------------------------------------- From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 31 18:41:00 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Alan Blundell) Date: Thu Oct 31 18:41:00 2002 Subject: [Preston] Minutes from the meeting - 30 Oct 2002 References: <001001c280c4$55dd5870$a6181e3e@khnumhotep> Message-ID: <3DC178EC.1070309@ntlworld.com> I'm sorry I missed this meeting - from the look of this, it was very productive! One thought for now: PLUG isn't yet listed at the UK Linux.org list of LUGs (see http://www.linux.org.uk/UKLinks.html). That was the first place I looked when I was loking for a LUG. I've emailed the page maintainer a request to add us. Alan Phil Robinson wrote: > ===================================== > Preston & Lancashire Linux User Group > > Meeting - 30 Oct 2002 > ===================================== > > Thank you to all who attended last night's meeting. In brief for those who > couldn't make it... > > Agenda > ====== > > 1 - Frequency of the meetings / Keeping attendance higher > 2 - Maybe move to start of the month so everyone has been paid! > 3 - Ideas for keeping the mailing list flowing > 4 - New locations for meetings and install days > 5 - New ideas for promoting PLUG > 6 - User group projects / tutorials > 7 - The new website > > Minutes > ======= > The group has been running for a year now and we have about 80 active > members as I recently un-subscribed anyone with a dead e-mail address. The > agenda from last night's meeting was intended to start moving the group > forward a little. > > 1&2 - This was discussed and it was agreed that we keep the meetings once a > month and move the date to the first Wednesday in each month. We decided to > skip next month and have the next meeting in December. Unfortunately I will > be away on the 4th of December so unless there are any objections can we > make the next meeting on the Wednesday the 11th of December. > > 3 - Not really discussed at the meeting, any ideas? > > 4 - It was mentioned that the pub was a nice and relaxed environment for us > to meet and that perhaps meetings and some social events could continue > there but also that a new location could bring forward some new activities, > such as an install / debug day and maybe some informal tutorials. We have a > location available to us in Leyland, the one used in September and some of > the members are still looking in to the possibility of a room in the > University. > > 5 - Not really discussed at the meeting, any ideas? > > 6 - The idea of informal tutorials or workshops was discussed and it was > agreed that this would be a good idea and much more practical once we have a > room. Group projects as discussed at some previous meetings could then come > forward from this. > > 7 - The website is going to get a re-design and hopefully become more useful > as a community based website. The site map below is a starter but any > comments would be gratefully received. > > New Website Map > =============== > Home > {A brief description of the PLUG} > > Mailing List > {Information about the mailing list} > Browse Archives > Signup > > Member Profiles > {PLUG Members can add information about themselves here such as their > specialist skills etc.} > Add my profile > Edit my profile > Browse profiles > Name > Interests / Specialist Areas > Private Email > Weblinks > > Hardware Exchange > {Surplus hardware either free or exchange, I have lots of redundant > hardware that I shall add for free.} > Add new hardware > Remove hardware > Browse hardware > > Events > {Anyone can host an event! Information will be posted here about any > upcoming events, social gatherings or meetings} > Meeting Dates & Locations > Submit a new event (regulated) > > Local Distribution Mirrors > {UK based mirror of full linux distributions} > > Useful Links > {A collection of useful links for linux users} > New users > Experienced > Distributions > Submit a link (regulated) > > Cheers, > > Phil Robinson. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Preston mailing list > Preston@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/preston > From preston at mailman.lug.org.uk Thu Oct 31 20:14:01 2002 From: preston at mailman.lug.org.uk (Hyperion Cantos) Date: Thu Oct 31 20:14:01 2002 Subject: [Preston] Tcl & last meet Message-ID: <200210312013.39351.nemes@btopenworld.com> Hello all once again. Well im pretty much gutted I didnt make the meet, sounds like it was qu= it=20 imformative and productive. You all sound like sound people, I will have to make sure I make the one= in=20 December. On another note, related in a small way to one of the topics discussed a= t the=20 meet, I am trudging my way through learning my very first language. And as you can imagine, it is a very hard process, and although I am gett= ing=20 by, some things I read within the material I am using to learn the langu= age,=20 looks lik enothing more that gibberisg ROFL. I chose Tcl/tk for my first language, is a scripting language with a she= ll as=20 you all probably know. "Why did I choose Tcl?" I here you ask, well after looking over all the=20 alternatives, like pascal, c, c++ and yes even old langiages like cobol, = I=20 found myself drawn to Tcl. I got through the first 10 or so lessons of the books and papers I have w= ith=20 relitive ease, were as with the other languages I didnt even get that far= =2E ANother plus about Tcl, was that its becoming very popular within the it= =20 industry, and also my machine having it was another bonus, plus th novalt= y of=20 discovering this weird named shell on my system that I had nver heard of=20 before LOL.. Well during the last meeting I understand that tutorials were discussed,= well=20 I just want to say for the record, that I would be very very interested i= n=20 getting tutorials on tcl from someone in the group. I would gladly sit do= wn=20 with them on a regular basis and let them instruct me in the laguage. I would also concider it no hard ship to arie early at any meeting or tut= orial=20 type events, if a room is found, and sort out all the arangements of seet= ing=20 and coffee, what ever, before everyone arived. I am very keen to learn tcl, and so far have managed to trudge my way=20 through, [set, if, else, elseif, put, (arrays, lists), append, string, in= cr,=20 expr, switch, while, foreach], and possible a few other. I am however, [ROFL] stuck on proc which is tcl's procedure calling func= tion,=20 and a few other very complicated bits of the language. So any and all advice given to me in my persuit of learning the language= is=20 always appreciated, and at the mention of help, I POUNCE, on it at full s= team=20 ahead mode. So if their is anyone within the group, who knows tcl, and is in the min= dset=20 to give advice and guidance to another guy who is trying to learn tcl, th= en=20 please feel free to email me, or post in the group. Like I said, I would = be=20 very interested. Also an idea I thought of, was teaching begginers how to build their own= =20 machines, and install linux, by way of the group members bringing in any = old=20 hardware, they dont use, so we could build like a test machine for the gr= oup,=20 together as it were. I have lots of old bits of 66mhz ram, an old duron processor, couple of=20 cdroms, also power packs and old cases, I have the complete insides of an= old=20 486 also, Plus many old versions of linux on cd. Anyway, I will sign off for, now, please let me know by way of the news=20 group, or via email, if anyone is interested in anything I said. Regards for now. Nemes: aka Hyperion